Anyone believe in lookism here? Getting any plastic surgeries?

forums suck
if you want to bitch about women just go to r9k

What is Lookism?

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>>41099306
I think you're missing the point of lookism...

>>41099328
well then explain to me what the site is about

from that screenshot it looks like an entire forum dedicated to /r9k/ style whining, populated by a bunch of elliott rodgers

I found that website through /fit/ and I still go on it everyday to procrastinate. Would probably kill myself if I wasn't tall and good looking tho.

>>41099325
>>41099348
Lookism is basically a theory that states that a lot of your life is centered around how attractive you are. Most of it deals with your face (think of /fit/ but with your face - where on /fit/ you lift, with Lookism you lift AND get surgeries to improve the shape of your body AND your face). Although it might be arguable that many of the posters come from places like /fit/, /r9k/, other places with incels, etc... these people are looking to improve. They're not trying to complain about women - they're trying their best to gain them, or, maybe, become physically attractive to them.

>>41099238
i went to their forum once. hilarious levels of self-hatred

i saw a kid who was perfectly fine looking posting about how ugly he was, and tons of people giving him all sorts of advice about growing his jaw and neck and all that other shit

i feel bad for kids that fall for it but i guess some people gotta learn the hard way

>>41099238
Probably the most genuinely delusional forum I've ever seen, incredible

>>41099238

when did men become so obsessed with their looks.
damn

>>41099498
>>41099521
Like how many /fit/ posters want perfect bodies, many lookism posters want perfect faces too.

>>41099529
Lonely people (especially virgin guys who have never had girlfriends) can act a little abnormal.

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Also, since I haven't posted one yet, here's a picture of a surgery result:

>>41099559
why? some of the biggest slayers i know are ugly as all fuck

why waste time neurotically reflecting on ways to become prettier when you can reflect on ways to become more alpha like getting in street fights or becoming a pro gambler

>>41099614
Is this only surgery? No test or hormones?

>>41099656
Prob cruised on Test lmao.

>>41099559
Most people on /fit/ are just here to have a good time. Lookism looks insane.

>>41099656
lefort III + rhinoplasty + carrot tan

>>41099352
same desu

>>41099758
And like 3-4 years

>>41099806
Actually it probably helped me a bit to realise how much better looking I was compared to the average male and that I was too caught up on muh personality and muh pua techniques when I could just talk to women and have them interested in me cause of my looks.

>>41099642
Most people don't want to get into street fights and gamble just to get pussy

>>41099614
How do I do this?
I am middle him right now

>>41100414
You don't. Accept your fate. Allow the only the best genetics to pass on to the youth for the greater good of society.

>>41099642
how to win street fights

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>>41099238
this guy believed in lookism

Those lookism plebs unironically need to read anders and stiegler

>>41099238

>2017
>forum

other than misc on occasion hell no especially those "red pill" ones that just make you hate more as you visit them

>>41099325
South Korea

>>41099348
This

Also i keep seeing 'cope' being thrown around as an insult lately and it reeks of projected insecurity. I dont want that reddit tier shit on /fit/ or that looksmaxxing shit either. Facial aesthetics have nothing to do with fitness and are meta as far as im concerned. Reminds me of cliques. Its fucking gay.

>>41099238
Worst forum ever.

>>41101246
Nice cope, subhuman.

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>>41101075

>>41099614
can someone photoshop the botton version to be pale

What is a lefort?

>>41099498
>being this bluepilled

>>41101051
fitmisc and GH15 are both pretty good forums desu senpai

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>>41101246

>>41101246
what? reddit is literally bluepill:the website. there are some exceptions(/r/incels) but realizing its all cope except Height/Face/Frame is the biggest red/blackpill there is. everything else is COPE

>>41102051
>GH15
oh yeah i remember this guy

i can testify he's actually legit. knows what he is talking about

misc fit is also okay

uprising the trip on r9k also knows what hes talking about

also penis extention forums are a good place to browse, that shit works

lookism is correct but incredibly hostile and mean and soon you will find yourself depressed if browsing. seriously you can learn from them but dont be a long term browser, its just depressing, moreso than r9k. every post is a hurtful insult, which DOES hurt if ur not a top tier chad

fuck reddit

also there are some discords that are comfy

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went to puahate back in the day. If I were ugly, I would vehemently deny anything written there as well, but Im not. Many things being spouted there definitely hold some truth to it, although they have the tendency to exaggerate, just like /fit/. The board is hilarious but can drive you into debilitating depression if you arent happy with how your face looks.

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Here's another one. God I miss this shit

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Of course the guy would be the ugliest one out of the whole dance group. That's really unfortunate because the girl will never be attracted to him, ever. This young man essentially wasted a huge amount of time and effort only because nobody ever told him that you can never make another person attracted to you--the attraction has to be independent and predetermined--for either counterpart to be attracted to the other, that is. You can not force biology to behave a certain way. Biology doesn't recognize acts of good will or words of kindness, even if the intention behind them was an expectation of a sexual reward or intimacy - all it recognizes is a guy who isn't ejaculating inside a woman. Despite how common sense this sounds, most MALES do not seem to grasp this reality, thus ending up in the friendzone, in other words, social contacts of a female who will never be sexually or romantically receptive to them due to sheer unattractiveness, but the males will not believe this and cling on to a belief that some day it'll happen.. After enough validation and gifts she will suddenly realize how amazing and generous I am and fall for me. It's a good deal for a female who will be dating attractive males and on the other end receive attention and free benefits from unattractive orbiters. This video in particular reminded me of this recurring scenario because the boy's mentality is similar to those unattractive males (that is, a skewed understanding of biology and human attraction).

#makeherday
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRCNeBjrFuc

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Now, obviously the boy thought that "maybe the girl just never noticed me by accident or thinks I'm just another guy even though I have this awesome personality and willingness to treat her like a princess". Sadly, this is not how the real life works. A woman will never be attracted to another man by personality and what it encompasses alone. Attraction will always have a decisive physical component, and unfortunately for this guy, facial attractiveness in particular. This isn't to say that personality and emotional and social traits do not matter, they play a big role in maintaining your woman.. But the woman will not be drawn to be around you in the first place if she doesn't consider you physically attractive at least to some degree (in the best case scenario, this girl will become closer with the boy and keep him as a good friend, maybe out of pity, maybe out of good will) and facial beauty is the biggest determinator of attractiveness in human beings, mainly due to its convenience; it's impossible to hide from a female that uses it to weed out potential partners and pick the most attractive males. Judging by Alexa's forced smile and glib enthusiasm, it's painfully obvious that she weeded Garrett out of the equation the first time her eyes ever latched on him. Girls of Alexa's tier will NEVER be receptive to boys of Garrett's tier.

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Needless to say, someone will have to break the news to Garrett that the blonde is not for him. He will need to settle for less, much less. I will not comment on his musculature or fashion sense as those are changeable later in life, but will only focus on his face. I understand he's very young and still growing, but unfortunately the only things that could improve in his face as he grows up are his disproportionate nose and puffy cheeks, and even then, only to a small degree (the hopefully decreasing facial adiposity is really the only thing I could see making a tiny difference to his appearance). As for the nose, it will not change in shape but rather in size (but again, on a millimeter scale which is barely noticeable), and when it comes to the shape itself, anyone will agree it is anything but aesthetic.

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>>41102367
I genuinely cant tell whether these are the insane ramblings of some Elliot Rodger tier incel, or a brutal honest suicide inducing redpill.

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He will not grow to be an attractive male and you can tell this is true by looking at his facial structure. Narrow face, flat brow ridge, negative canthal tilt, absence of jaw definition, goofy ears are all features that generally aren't changeable and are more or less predetermined (you could say genetic) and will not signal any females of genetic fitness (symmetry) or prenatal testosterone exposure (masculine craniofacial structure) thats presence, or lack thereof, are both manifested in the human face and females are biologically designed to immediately pick up these traits in male faces, thereby determining whether the male they're looking at is attractive or not in less than a second. There is no make up to deceive this biological evaluation. Although it's unfair to rate a 13 year old undeveloped face, this 3/10 is unlikely to ever reach 5 when estimating where he is on his growth phase (unless I'm mistaken and he will grow to be a 7 foot giant). Either way, this is the judgment that Garrett will have to deal with from 80% of females, Alexa included. I remain hopeful that he will meet the right one, seeing as the majority of females aren't exactly attractive either.

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is this a troll forum?

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>tfw reading redpill

Think of it this way. To be able to make these conclusions, you need to take a hard look at reality. Do you think a happy, blissful, good looking man is going to ponder over shit like this? No, because he will never experience the rejections, the disgust, the bullying your disfigured incel has had to, his entire life.
Its not called blissful ignorance for nothing. The ones at the bottom of the barrel are also the only ones who could truly, profoundly relate and articulate such experiences, because they are the ones that have lived them over and over again.
Naturally this is biased as well and the seething nihilism and hatred is certainly just their outlet to somewhat deal with the harsh realities of this world. But does that make their experiences invalid? Human behavioral biology is no fringe science. Hormonal profiles determine how you act, why would not also determine how you look?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNnIGh9g6fA

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>>41102297
What a bunch of pathetic self pitying failures.
Modern """men""".

what the fuck is this weaboo thread. post this shit on r9k or smthng

>>>/r9k/

>>41099379

Surgery isn't worth it as a man.

Killing yourself in the gym or doing roids isn't worth it either.

Women put very little thought into a guy's physical appearance. If you spend so much effort for female attention you're retarded.

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>>41102297
this is satire

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>>41102367
THESE DUBS ARE FOR YOU ALEXA

Ok, I'll bite. I enjoy the posts that popped up here recently and I think I learned a lot about social interactions.
For argument's sake, let's say lookism's fundamental premise that your appearance indicates your genetic health holds true. Should it not be at the center of discussions on /fit/? Its fitness and health more so than stupid obsessing over youtube personalities or GOMAD diets.
And while the tone of lookism posts vile, hateful and relentless, does this mean its not true either? I think its too easy to exclaim being a sub 8 Chad or whatever is not worth living, but so is disregarding everything that even vaguely hints at your genetic potential playing a major role in how people interact with you.

The most red-pilled forums you can possibly find are plastic surgery forums.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1cstrm/i_did_research_on_facial_attractiveness_for_years/

>>41099238
I need one for my septum deviation. It's so bad I have some form of pseudo-jewish nose and the bump hurts for some reason.
I also quite often have trouble breathing through my nose.
When I was a kid it was perfectly straight.

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>>41102297
>RodgerRabbit
Was that Saint Elliot himself?

>>41101246

LMAO COPE

but seriously I agree with you. I dont know where these lookism faggots came from but I wish they and their gay ass words like incel left

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>>41102313
:banderas:
I'm dying

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>>41102376

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GOAT board
https://twitter.com/pua_hate_txt

NEWS FLASH:

MOST WOMEN LOOK LIKE SHIT TOO, STOP THINKING ABOUT THIS STUFF!

Im average looking and i just worked on being relaxed in social situations and i have fucked about 30 women. Im 25

>>41102773
I just checked and he actually liked that.

Is he truly /redpilled/?

Sexual Attraction
simplified form of the "First Law of Sexual Strategy":

- A woman can make up to 1 baby a year if she's lucky THEREFORE it is in her best interests to get the BEST POSSIBLE DNA for the kid i.e. 7+/10 males.

- A man can make 100, 200, 500, 1000 babies a year. Hell maybe even more if he can shoot 6x a day, who knows. The only thing he needs is a long line of willing women. THEREFORE it is in his best interests to impregnate as MUCH women as possible.

- If a woman is promiscuous, it means she is either bad at judging a man's worth/DNA or her reproductive system is messed up, therefore she is low worth. If she has a low partner count it means she is judging very selectively who gets to pump their DNA in her, therefore she has high worth.

- Conversely, if a man can't get any women, or only low quality warpigs w/effort, it means they have judged him and decided his DNA is trash, therefore he is low worth. If a man is fucking 300 women a year, it means that they have all decided that his DNA is top-shelf and want some, therefore he is high-worth.

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>>41103005
forgot pic

>>41102997
there are certain kinds of redpilled. The truly ugly obviously, they have come to experience the abhorrent reality of being ugly. The 1 in 100 attractive guy who has experienced the opposite, women throwing himself at him at every possible opportunity. That guy realises at some point not everyone gets to fuck legitimate hotties every other day and surmises that this might be because of his appearance. Former fatties who became really attractive notice the change of people's attitudes towards them as well.
I have lots of stereotypical Chad friends. Some are acutely aware of the advantages they possess

>>41099238
>>41099379
Sounds like a great way to add another insecurity

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>>41103017
good

>>41102773
Holee fuck is this real life?

>>41102773
Also how tf did Barrett find psl? It's usually ugly incels. Also I heard in one of his snapchats he had lookism open on his computer, can anyone confirm?

>>41103313
Yep he had it on his macbook in the background of a snap on his story just under 2 years ago

The fuck is going on ITT. How autistic is /fit/

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>>41103313
Its ugly incels posting and raging, but you'd be delusional if you think there arent other people lurking. Its not like Chads bang sluts 24/7 and never have some time alone browsing shit. If you reverse search your images, you could find some of his pictures there as well. I guess its more entertaining reading about actual analyses of incels. Also, its not like these incels arent linking threads. You can bet David Gandy knows about the little cult pua/sluthate devoted to him.
This guy answered question on SH too and confirmed it on Twitter.
>Do you browse sluthate
>I dont remember
Plausible deniability. He posted he was going to reply exactly the same way he did.


I know its comforting to believe only the worst possible human garbage is posting there, but these theories arent just silly fantasizing without any science to back them up. They have merit and you can be sure there are more slayers having their egos stroked on these sites, since they are brutally honest.

>>41103330
Is there a screenshot out there?

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>>41103368
Is that Orb now?!?

>>41103368
I absolutely agree with you. I found the site through /fit/ and although a lot of the threads are exaggerated or just straight up shitposting, I do believe most of what they say. It's almost addictive. I don't know how ugly or short people can handle the brutality though, I am blessed to be tall and attractive and feel like I've literally dodged a bullet with my genetics. I can also relate to them partially because i was incel until this year because I pubertymaxxed and gymcelled to get to how I am now.

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>>41103396
No, some Israeli model. Forgot the name, but he slays. I think there were some tinder experiments with him as well.

>>41103413

Do you guys live outside of society?

Do you even go outside? Every time I take public transport my mind is blown because I keep seeing cute women with chubby badly dressed men.

It's mostly in the attitude, and every man can "slay" if they actually dress well and do shit with their life.

>>41100379
same here

>>41102313
shieeet this board needs more lookism posting this is top notch banter

>>41103494
What a bunch of nonsense. you dont know if their siblings or mail order brides or golddiggers or whatever. this is like saying, hey bro bill gates never complains about money, you shouldndt either. this is like babbies first redpill.

>It's mostly in the attitude
i cant believe how naive you are, as 5'5 shortcel 27 year old khv trust me, the only way women would like my """"attitude""" is if i won the lottery. This is literally '' take a shower get a haircut and jus b confident" tier nonsense

In a way im grateful for PSL. sure as a short guy it has been a brutal suicide inducing redpill - but its the only place ive found thats honest about these things

>>41103494

>it's another girl settles with a beta provider when she hits 31 episode

What don't you get? Girls can't ALL end up with Chad. Being a provider for an attractive female is a very legitimate evolutionary strategy. She has fun in her youth, then marries a sexually repulsive man when she decides it's time. He gets to bang that ass once a year and gets to show her off, and she gets his money. Why do you think divorce rates are so high in the west? Sex is the basis of a healthy relationship, so why are 40~% of married couples not having sex???

>>41102313
that was beautiful

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>>41103494
The poster he responded to. Well, Ive been told often that im handsome, had hot gfs, get laid regularly and have an active social life.
Once you are aware of some evolutionary psychology, concepts like costly signaling or how social hierarchies work, you start noticing things in your daily life. Its called pattern recognition.

No, I dont see chubby and ugly guys together with absolutely gorgeous women, nor do I see top tier slayers with ugly warpigs. Im not saying there not people that date way above or below there leagues, but that is not the point. The theories discussed over there talk about general tendencies, and if you are familiar with them, you start seeing them everywhere.

Besides, while attractiveness is certainly a major aspect, there are contrary to sh narrative other things that have an effect on romantic relationships.

Alone the fact that you are talking about "cute" women is testament to the fact that looks do have a major say in determining who gets with who. Why didnt you say 10/10 prime age model-tier girls or bombshells? Do you see them often with chubby, ungroomed men? Why didnt you say so then, arent you making a point about looks being irrelevant? If so, 10/10 girl with 6/10 guy would illustrate your point better, dont you think?

I'm over 1.80m, honestly at least 7-8/10, people tell me I look like a male model routinely etc.

I get some female attention, occasionally from strangers or from women I don't talk to much. But I'm generally timid. I don't have women flock to me. And once I do get to know them well, I believe they lose interest.

A guy I used to hang out with was the biggest slayer I've known. He naturally had every girl's attention in a group, despite being 10 cm shorter than me. He fucked coworkers, class mates, teachers, the prettiest girl in our group of friends when we hung out during a few summers. He was a thin guy, a face no better than mine.
He didn't even dress stereotypically well.

People like this don't have to go to the internet to get haircut advice. Or style advice.

They pick something that fits them, they have a natural sense of individual style. They are confident, either because they believe in themselves or because they believe nothing matters much.

If you need to be told to be confident and you need to have your clothes pointed out for you and you need to see a picture of what your hair should look like, then you've already lost the game.

But you didn't lose it because of your face or height. You lost it because of your attitude.

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>>41103663
just be confident brah we all gonna make it. If you work on your attitude hard enough, you will have girls flock around you, just find your personal style

>>41103663
meant to respond to >>41103564


>>41103573

I'm talking young girls (~20), objectively attractive, with young men who look objectively below mediocre.

>>41103636

I tend to find model tier women very unattractive (thin, masculine facial features, trashy clothing to show off previously mentioned body) so I don't generally notice who they're with. I only laugh at them being with fat balds guys when I'm at a nightclub or something.
I only notice women I would fuck, which is young girls that aren't stick thin, are cute and not dressed like utter trash, with very feminine facial features. And a lot of these are holding hands or kissing ugly men in badly fitting clothing and it's utterly bizarre to me how I come back here and go on 4chan and see people complain about their looks being their limiting factor.

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>just be confident bro

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>just go say hi, girls love that

>>41102367
>>41102371
>>41102376
>>41102383
that's actually a good and objective analysis of the guy and can be extrapolated to every (below) average guy. I also wish him the best but have to agree on everything you said.

>>41103663
This
>I have a short friend/now a short guy whos an absolute slayer, therefore your entire belief system is false lmaoo dichotomy
is the most retarded thing in existence, its on the same level as women saying they like average guys and not muscular guys. if you genuinely belief this just answer me this

How come you never see a short unmuscled guys do the things Connor Murphy, Jeff seid and Zyzz do?
How come every PUA muh pickup scene retard talker is a tall white chad?
How come every social media site where people are more free to speak what they really think is ABSOLUTELY RIFE with women outright telling short men to kill themselves?

Funny how theres tons of stories about Bigfoot, UFO's,Ghosts and short guys getting girls but there never seems to be any concrete evidence. youd think in age with everyone having a portable camera there'd atleast be SOME footage

Women not only are not attracted to short men, they consider it outright offensive when a short men hits on her, implying that they are in the same league

>t. 5'5 27yo KHV, Follower of Elliot Rodger

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>>41103771
Take some footage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlWrFgIR6CU

>>41103807
oh boy, you're going to have a hard time growing up

FUCK THIS. I'm 5 ft 9. I have a 5-6/10 face. I have 8/10's who have never seen my face/nor my body(and have chad boyfriends) masturbate over the phone over me and send nudes, all because of my voice. I have an ASMR-tier, godlike voice. It's like my only redeeming quality.

>>41103807
>video of tall white chad hitting on girls
what did he mean by this?

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>>41103771
>Women not only are not attracted to short men, they consider it outright offensive when a short men hits on her, implying that they are in the same league

>being this delusional

>>41103826
Nice deflection

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>>41103728
Stop being obtuse. Im not talking about alien-faced androgynous drag queens that look unique or special, but genuinely beautiful girls. Is she feminine enough for you or is she not your "type"?

Every man on earth is programmed to fuck a girl like this. Your mental acrobatics justifying you not hitting on her are commendable, but just an excuse because you know deep down you (and 99% of other men) would never stand a chance getting with her.
Oh, im sure she is super shallow and her personality is shit. Certainly you'd not get along with her even if you hooked up. That kinda chubby, kinda nerdy girl thats 5 points lower is much more to your liking. I understand.

>>41103841
you posted RSD as a counter-argument. lmao

>getting money from day trading / 'corporate ladder'

Start a business or stay poor

>>41103771

I believe short men are slightly disadvantaged, as are ugly men.

I believe that if you're a short, average man you'll almost never get cold approached unless you're famous.

But as I said, I know short or average looking men who slay. And the biggest slayer I know was a skinny 1.70sth kid who yelled offensive things at women standing a couple tables next to ours and had them giggling almost every time.

Jeff Seid is orange, Zyzz is a gypsy looking kid that appealed to 7/10 drunk sluts, and Connor Murphy despite being physically close to ideal still gets women who walk away from him cringing if you watch his additional footage or vlog videos.

I'm not saying you can be a slayer. But the reason you can't be isn't because of your height or body or face. It's because of deeper issues.

>>41103849
Am I supposed to know what autistic reason you have to disregard the footage?

>>41103733
>tfw no Chad bf

>>41103807
do you know how the whole lookism shit started? Its called Pick-Up Artist HATE for a reason. They debunked the scam of puas. You're young and impressionable, work out, take care of your body and skin, eat healthily and if you are disfigured or obscenely ugly, look into plastic surgery. Lots of forums with very knowledgeable members. You know, surgeons performing operations to make you more attractive? They know what makes you exactly that.

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>>41103863
The fact that these shitbirds were confirmed to be hiring chicks for their videos. And even to this day continue scamming young impressionable retards.

>>41103863
Not that guy im the guy you originally responded the video too, i dont get the video either.
first of all i have considerable doubts about RSD not using actresses for these videos.
and secondly i complained about short men never doing this type of stuff...so in response you post a video of a white chad thats (considerably) taller then all the girls he hits on??

>>41103877
>not being born with a face like this
JUST

>>41103863
>hey man look this ugly guy is kissing moms on the beach with their kids right beside them
>brb going to the beach to try it out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEufujHF-AM

literally you

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>>41103872

>You're young and impressionable
Except I'm not. The poster is asking for footage, I provided footage. I don't follow them or their 'debunkers' to be honest
>>41103877
So.. what pick up artists are legit? Who is going to put footage of them picking up girls if they aren't pick up artists?
Why are you or the other poster asking for footage if you are going to assume everything is fake anyways?
Looks like you are going to accept information that confirms your

>>41103898
Why are you asking for footage if you are going to assume everything is fake?
>>41103903
>your beliefs*

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>>41103877
It's one thing to compare yourself to male models, the competition, but comparing yourself to morphs of male models is just insane.

Barrett is such a ginormous fraud.

>>41103897
Please don't think that is attractive. Fascinating maybe, but then so does The Elephant Man.

t. grill

>>41103903
because the footage is not candid and not a true to life scenario. These guys make a whole lot of money from retards by giving them the hope that you can be a hobgoblin and still slay model tier women as long as you can "manipulate their minds" lul.

>>41100414
middle him was best though

Who the fuck keeps funneling this crap into /fit/? In the last few months, this board has seen more meme insecurities than ever before. What's the fucking agenda and why do the jews keep doing it?

>>41103903
>>41103863
Here's footage for you. RSD party, 5'4 asian guy trying pickup, they even scammed some guy with crouzons into mass approaching women. That guy is one neg away from being locked up. 15:50 in the first video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krsNcFQwsbc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVB3ypWVu14

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFnJMPQow7A

>>41103903
legit PUAs are like natty bodybuilders

>>41103934
I don't care what you think is attractive, his face is just aesthetic as fuck

>>41103934
>t. grill
you're not fooling anyone faggot

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>>41103842

I genuinely don't find her attractive due to her body type (slouching shoulders, slender and tall, almost boy-ish), but her face is very cute. I wouldn't say she's model tier as she has a big nose and a face that's too cute.

This type of woman is more my type, body-wise. And plenty of women like this can be found with mediocre looking men.

The idea that you would stand no chance with a woman like this is why you do stand no chance.

Women are people like you. They're even less stuck on physical appearances than you are, and they have less of a sex drive on average. But they're people. They're attracted to imperfect beings, just like we are. They find abstract ideas (like how you look like your own man) and not just facial geometry attractive.

>>41103951
read the thread. Its basic human nature to surround yourself with attractive people and avoid disfigured ones.
The only thing being pushed here is the myth that youre looks dont have any influence and that if you just keep working hard enough, earning more money, you'll achieve your dreams. Thats the real merchant trick friendo

>>41103937
>>41103937
So what kind of footage would you accept as real?
>>41103952
So how do a couple of pictures of them hanging out with other guys prove everything is fake?
>>41103958
Ok, so what footage would you accept as real?

>>41103951
I dont think its conspiracy, i think its just that gymcelling has become incredibly popular in the past decade and the bubble is simply beginning to burst, people are starting to wake up and realize its a cope and most people dont actually like going to the gym. plus /r/incels has been pretty popular lately these places always have mass overspill to 4chan

>>41103897
>blond man who looks like girl
>attractive to girls above 16

lmao people are this delusional

>>41103988
>Women are people like you. They're even less stuck on physical appearances than you are
Holy shit this has to be bait

>>41103695
how fucking tall is Chico?

>>41103995
In reality though you don't need looks for success. Once you realize that companies don't give a damn how you look if you're good at something, the entire "I HAVE TO BE BEAUTIFUL" reality is shattered. The trick is making you think that it's a trick on the sub layers and not on the main one.

>>41103998
I wish they'd take their insecurities and fucking leave. I don't come to /fit/ to see people whine about things they cannot change, I come here to talk about lifting weights and health.

>>41104009
yeah looks like it. Im not going to fucking trying debunk fucking pua of all things. watch the severly autistic video if you can stand his voice. He'll show you general tendencies. Then observe publich and social gathering, look who is popular, look who hooks up with legitimate hotties, look who makes friends easily, look who get away with being rude or insulting more (pro tip: its not the ugly guy).
See for yourself if you recognize patterns in human behavior. If you start seeming them, congratulations. If you dont, even better. You can go back to being confident and making it.

>>41103695
>spent all the time looking a francisco lachowski videos since you posted this gif
Holy shit, it literally is all genetics/being born right
this makes me understand why elliot did what he did.

>>41102863
future_elliot_rodger.txt

>>41104009

Just to online and start a conversation with a stranger. Go on omegle or something, or some sub reddit where this sort of thing takes place. Guys will almost always want to know how you look. Girls almost never ask you about your appearance.

>>41103934
>it's another "unattractive girl pretends to not be attracted to men who wouldn't even give them the time of day" episode

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>>41104069
thats why your tinder is blowing up. Or do pictures not convey your superior confidence? You really gotta get a grip dude, your delusion is unhealthy and the sooner you realize it, the better off you'll be in the long run.

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>>41104054

Is this some meme? That guy looks like a cute kid, in an actual kiddy way.

If you're going to be jealous of someone's genetics, picking the skinny kid who looks perpetually underage is a pretty stupid choice.

>>41104018
6'3" masterrace

male models are usually 6'1"-6'3"

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Just had a look, the absolute state of the lads on that forum. I know it's tough growing up without a dad to teach you how to be your own man but they are fully off the deep end

>>41104069
I dont understand why you people always talk to incels like we've never talked to women before, i have tinder, i have a okcupid acc, i have a POF acc. do you know how conversations go?
>Me: initiate(i always initiate never got a message first)
>Her: 1 word reply
>Me: trying to make her laugh or talk about something i saw on her profile
>usually they like my art since i always have a self portrait as main photo
>shoot the shit about whatnot
>After a while:
>Her: Haha, so how tall are you
>Me: 5'5 (see no reason to lie since if we were to meet up itd be obvious)
>Her: [No response]
>Me[after 2 days]: Hello?
>This user has blocked you.

Dont fucking educate me on the reality of appearance

>>41104129
Well girls on tinder aren't really looking for witty short guys

>>41104102

I'm married, only used tinder for a couple of hours for validation.

I'm an attractive man, occasionally very much so when I put some effort into my appearance. But it's not the huge advantage that you think it is, speaking from real world experience (both from my social circle and general observation as noted above).

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It's all about the FACE, HEIGHT, and FRAME. ALL sexual attraction is based on these three things ALONE

have an attractive FACE with a strong jaw, prominent chin, neutral to positive canthal tilt, and a full

head of hair

Have HEIGHT (6'1+)

Have a FRAME comprised of wide clavicles and narrow hips

>>41104151
Im attractive and get laid regularly as well. Played sports in school, had girls come watch me train. Was the first to fingerbang the pretty girl when we were camping at 14. Dont be a condescending ass and read the thread, this has all been covered already.

>>41104158
What if I don't have those but still have had sex with good looking women?

>>41104129
>have no game
>go on tinder
>have a shit profile because of said no game
>answer a question about your biggest flaw without putting her on the spot for it and without joking about it
>whaaaaa if I was 6'0" i'd get laid

No, because you were already failing to get more than 1 word responses before they knew about your height.

Stop making excuses. I agree that you're a beta cuck but it's not your height that's the problem.

>>41104158
Being white and having access to a boat may help too.

>>41104180
Fellow Manlet cut off here also and you're right. 6 feet is not enough anymore. 6' 2 is new minimum shredded.

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>>41104158
>It's all about the face
>posts 3 ugly rich kids that got girls because they can afford a boat

It's like you people are retarded.

Here's someone who actually made it due to his face. He made it all the way to being a millionaire and wifeing Kunis from having nothing.

All this shitmakes me so grateful to be average looking nerd with a social life separate from the internet. All this dog eat dog Patrick Bateman shit looks absolutely miserable

>>41104033
The actual reality is that given the choice between two individuals of similar skill, the better looking one gets the job, always. Finding someone as good at you at something and better looking isn't hard unless you're in some autistic field like maintaining 1980's computer code.
You may not need looks to be successful, but they sure as fuck help. There's a reason why successful people are taller and better looking on average.

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Children grow up to believe that heroes are good looking, heroines are beautiful, and bad people are ugly. While many would assume that these stereotypes are fictional there is substantial evidence to suggest they are based on truth. Attractive babies receive more affection and attention from their parents and other adults, and are more likely to grow up to be well-balanced adults themselves (Bull and Rumsey 1988). Unattractive children are more likely to be bullied at school (Lowenstein 1978). Good- looking people are likely to be perceived as more intelligent (Bull and Stevens 1979), indeed they may actually be more intelligent (Clifford 1975), probably because they receive more attention. They are also likely to get better jobs, rise to higher positions, and earn more money (Bull and Rumsey 1988). You are considered to have a higher status if your partner is good looking than if they are plain (Hartnett 1973).

Handsome cadets achieve higher rank by the time they graduate (Ackerman 1990). A judge is likely to give an attractive criminal a shorter sentence (McFatter 1978). Unattractive people are associated with undesirable personalities and deeds. (Miller et al 1974), they are also “perceived as deviants, feminists, homosexuals, and politically radical” (Unger et al 1982). It is possible that an unattractive face may push the individual towards deviation of one form or another, as they seek to find a place for themselves in an increasingly competitive world. Criminals who have their appearance improved by facial surgery are less likely to re-offend (Lewison 1974). Yet nearly all these people could have grown into attractive adults had the right action been taken in early childhood.

>>41104240
fucking lol, if you never had Stacy get her girlfriends to twerk on her mom's car asking you and your big dick to homecoming you should have worked harder and had more confidence

>>41104240
Bill gates, steve jobs and Elon are all ugly fucking nerds

Trump is a fat lardass who is dumber than a broken brick

Putin looks like he hit every bottle of vodka in a store as a child

Yet these people are more successful than 99% of the human race. And I could do this all day.

Success has NOTHING to do with looks unless you're a fucking model or actor.

>>41104240
Basic nutrition, health, self-care, and fitness info are bad for business.
So that's been taken out of schools and any attempt at making fat kids feel bad about being fat and wanting to change is seen as evil and wrong.

>>41103663
pasta

>>41104217
Theyre not bad looking at all, Theyre white, not short and in reasonable shape, sure theyre not Chads, theyre Brads at best. But they obviously have rich parents which goes a long way obviously. Height/Face/Frame isnt the only theory some other big ones are:
>LOOKS MONEY STATUS
>Canthal tilt theory
>BBC theory

>>41104236
That's so helplessly wrong when you actually look at who's the top dog in their respective field.

Stop blaming your failures on looks.

>>41099614
Hey. As someone getting jaw surgery myself I think I understand what's going on here. Notice how severe his over bite is? That can be causing a lot of health problems, and it effects the way he eats and speaks and breathes. I have a class 3 underbite.

>>41104278
Bill Gates was born into money and influence and the only reason microsoft took off was because his father got the military to use his shit os instead of one of the actually GOOD ones.
Steve Jobs was lucky as fuck and a driven sociopath
Elon is lucky as fuck too and spent gobsmacks amount of money and effort on changing his apperance.
Trump was born into money and has managed to fuck it up multiple time
Putin is a shrimp kgb agent who played the game in a place where looks meant little.

You know little.

>>41104278
Outliers. Note that the people you mention either got extremely lucky during the tech bubble (Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, etc.) or came from money (Trump). Putin is 99% sure employing dark lovecraftian forces desu.

Your anecdotes don't disprove actual scientific studies. Feel good stories like that keep idiots deluded. "Someday I'll be a billionaire too!"

>>41104307
THIS THIS
If you are not CHAD you should literally KILL YOURSELF right now, it's useless to even try, we are good here shitposting endlessly because we won't achieve anything ever because of our subchad looks

if you argue in support of lookism you are engaging in criminal beta-enabling and should be banned

>>41104278
Out of all your examples, Bill Gates, and Putin to a degree, are the only unnatractive ones.
Also, you cannot compare the top .000001% of the population to the other 99.999999%. The average successful guy, aka the guy making 6 figures or more, is above average looking.

>>41104278
ok now this is some top tier coping mechanism. List more snowflakes please

Where on earth do you infer that ONLY good looking people are successful and ugly ones will never be? They conduct studies of thousands and thosuands of people and what they find are positive correlations between being attractive and becoming successful. You guys are truly something else

No, being attractive will not make you successful alone.
No, being ugly will not make you unsuccessful.
Yes, being attractive can help and WILL increase the likelihood of you becoming successful.
Yes, being ugly hurts your chances becoming successful.

I thought this was common sense. But then again we're on /fit/ as this thread illustrates perfectly well

>>41103920
i wasn' t the guy asking for footage I just pitched in when I saw that ridiculous video.

btw I'm not saying those guys could never pick up a woman, I'm just saying women would always leave them in a heartbeat for a chad. It's just evolution.

did you know only about 40% of males reproduced in history while almost every women did? nature can give you answers.

>>41104307

>all these guys succeeded for these reasons other than looks
>this proves only looks matter

Uhh

dont expose our sekrit club
caging at this thread desu boyos

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>>41104315
>scientific studies
>sociology/psychology
>not even replicated
kek

>>41104288
>BBC theory
wtf is that?
As a man of akan descent I am curious.

>>41104348
>>this proves only looks matter
nice strawman. Read the thread.

>>41104341
>60% of males to ever exist never reproduced

Any chance you have source for this, thats one of the most brutal blackpills i have ever heard

>>41104341
>I'm just saying women would always leave them in a heartbeat for a chad
Can you give a scientific study confirming this?

>>41104292
>b-b-but the b-best in their field don't have to rely on looks!

Tell me, how many people can claim to be at the top of their field? That's right, now sit down.

>>41104356
BBC Theory is a theory that claims that black males have an advantage over white men in seducing women because black men have BBCs (Big Black Cocks). According to BBC Theory, women, especially white women, have an uncontrollable craving for BBC.
Arguments in support of BBC Theory

Whereas white manlets (5'5" and under) are usually doomed to inceldom, BBC manlets often get attractive women
Bald white men are almost without exception incel, whereas bald black men often slay
Blacks are more extraverted than whites, making women more comfortable around blacks
BBCs are larger than white cocks, and are therefore more pleasurable to women

United States government study

According to a U.S. government study, sickle cell, a disease black people get, causes "significant penile enlargement".[1]

>>41104335
Dude, even "chad's" have to get lucky to become wealthy.
Have any idea of how many wannabe male models and "attractive" men who have pussy and ass thrown at them every day who're basically poor and emotionally broken with no way of ever making it in life?

Most men would give up multiple good looks points to have a good job and good wife.

its like these guys dont even WANT to get laid

>>41104350
The only thing I ask for is people observing their environment. That alone should be a revelation to most here.
There are studies provided, the reddit link someone posted above helps knowing why certain features make you attractive. The videos are pretty autistic but true nonetheless.

Should help some sheltered people see the light. Others are beyond redemption but its thats an existential crisis in the making

>>41104362
Oh you have a lot to learn. Reality is harsher than your parents told you. But dont be angry at them, they did it to protect you

https://psmag.com/8-000-years-ago-17-women-reproduced-for-every-one-man-6d41445ae73d

>>41104359

There's nothing le redpilled about accepting that better looking people have more opportunities, sitting around googling pictures of male models and hating yourself is pathetic. You should be acting like a man however you look not an insecure schoolgirl

>>41104379
NO NO FUCK YOU
Being a chad is ALL that matters, seriously if you aren't Chad you need to kill yourself. Chads have everything just given to them, pussy, money, social life, EVERYTHING.
Any female you have ever liked would RIM and SUCK chad without thinking about it twice, we are doomed to inceldom because of this.

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>>41103965
I mean he's definitely handsome but I never got the obsession with the weird boyband male model chink eyes, it's hardly ideal

>>41104362
It's actually 1 in 17 I read somewhere. Would love to find it again.

>>41099238
> when you are solid 8/10 and you don't date outside your league and things are just fine
it's ok

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>>41104372

But all women prefer white men.
That's stupid.

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>all these retards spending countless hours finding studies and photos of models that reinforce their fatherless fucked up beliefs
>meanwhile I'm fucking qts while being a skinnyfat manlet
Kek keep autocucking yourselves faggots, less competition for us normal men

>>41102435
>that uk one is accurate

>>41104435
they prefer white CHADS

there's a difference

Chad>Brad>Thad>Tyrone>a dog>incels

>>41104393
This is why France made it illegal to ask for a paternity test during divorce. Citing "it would destroy families".
They're right.

And let's be honest, if men were made aware of how bad it really was...
It will get very bad for women and the entire culture that enabled this. And the family unit would basically cease.

>>41104396
Thats where you are wrong. If you accept this, the rational, logical reasoning is to take under scrutiny the other points that were raised in this thread.

The delusional autists can mock all they want about how life is doomed if you are sub8. Nobody of the people that actually contributed to the discussion above did imply any such thing. But looks do matter, since its a surefire way to determine genetic health quickly.
Now this fact alone explains a lot of social interactions and also why fit is so socially anxious and clueless in general.

>>41102925
This desu

But this is likely a very good bait thread. As everyone is at least a bit insecure.

Another this is about fitness no?

>>41104393
>>41104409

Hey man thanks for the source.
> only a few men accumulated lots of wealth and power, leaving nothing for others. These men could then pass their wealth on to their sons, perpetuating this pattern of elitist reproductive success. Then, as more thousands of years passed, the numbers of men reproducing, compared to women, rose again. “Maybe more and more people started being successful,” Wilson Sayres says. In more recent history, as a global average, about four or five women reproduced for every one man.

Wow. i feel physically ill right now... I know people joke about the redpill and the matrix and whatnot but in the matrix they said that if you plug out a man before hes ready he could die.. i think that just happened to me. swallowed a red pill too many. ive realized for a while now that life as a poor 5'5 guy was over when i was born but this is the first time i truly understand that it truly all is "a cope except for the rope"

>>41104404
Every single man over the age of 13 is 100% aware of this.
The problem is that they focus on this and think that being this mythical chad or alpha is the only thing that matters instead of working with what they have and finding contentment in life.

I ask you.
So what if "Chad" has women and dykes becoming full whore for him? Is he happy with his life? Is he content?

>>41104459
Thats why the instutition of marriage was established in the first place. Marriage allowed tribes to transform into civilizations. There is a constant strife between civilization and our instincts. See Freud's Civilization and Its Discontents.
>inb4 Oedipus memery

>>41104435
A geared up twink who got famous for getting fucked in the ass in a gay cowboy movie?

>>41104503
don't kid yourself, chad gyllenhaal could knock at your door and steal your gf right there due to his wealth and status

>>41099758
>lefort III
had to google this, who the fuck is actually ugly enough to justify doing this to themselves?

>>41099379
Lol. Don't kid yourself.

They are complaining. They say "WOW WHORES ARE SO SHALLOW THIS IS WHY I NEED A TWENTY THOUSAND DOLLAR JAW REALIGNMENT SURGERY. I HATE HOW SHALLOW AND VAPID WOMEN ARE!!!!!!!!!!"

They are "trying to improve" but only because they have a cynical and slightly narcissistic world view.

>>41104365
no I can't because you can't asess that.

Do you really believe that behavior programmed into women by evolution (remember? the thing that created everything we are) can just be voided over a few generations because you think that every guy deserves love?

What evolutionary advantage would a woman have to fall in love with an incel (besides from getting provided for)?

It's not that hard to understand, you just have to switch off the coping for a moment.

>>41104459
>during divorce
Frogs...

Divorce is in and of itself: destroying the family.

Adding in the little fact that mummy is a skank and daddy's a cuck, is nothing compared to the fact both parents are such cunts as to not put their kids ahead of their own egos.
>here's a clue, daddy is jew, but the kids are black
>"oho no, we can not be having a paternity test, it would destroy ze family"

>>41104538
>no I can't
Then stop claiming it

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>>41104529
>because they have a cynical and slightly narcissistic world view.
>slightly

>>41104372
>>41104372
akan guy

I would argue that being black is more polarising when attracting girls outside of race.

In terms of white chicks it's either hot or cold. Or curiousity. The latter has always been the case with me, where I'm a white girl's "first".

>>41104492
Freud is a lunatic and nothing he's said has ever mattered or still holds any real weight.
Also, societies would raise their children as their own, seeing each one as their own child, instead of the modern family unit that we have today.
And if you look at how women keep the genetic info of the multiple men who've cum inside of them for months and that has an effect on the child even if those men are not the direct father and how the more partners a woman has the less likely she's able to remain faithful or with any one man.
PLUS how some men are more then happy with just fucking around and how women use deception to force men into loving children that aren't theirs and how easily we get all daddy mode over kids even if they aren't ours.

Nature has multiple plans for our survival.
A society is successful because we work with nature to push the most beneficial and stable way of living while pushing away the least beneficial and destructive ways of living.

The modern nuclear family works in many places. But modern media and academia is destroying it and replacing it with nothing.

>>41104478
man, BE HAPPY YOU LIVE TODAY. Be happy that alphas have created a society where you can live relatively unharmed, and enjoy things. You can fuck prostitues, you can do drugs, you can do whatever you want. We live today with the luxury that the meaning of our lives can be just to enjoy them, not to necessarily reproduce.

THIS is what you should take away from the black pill.

>>41104513
Chads don't need status and wealth to pull. Losers and loserettes do.

>>41103995
What dreams do you even have aside from fucking women? Being rich? The moderately rich can be any old engineer, the insanely rich can look even fucking worse. Being politically influential? The two most powerful men last century were stalin and hitler, and both were mediocre to ugly (as far as I know the "handsome stalin" picture is a forgery). Look at contemporary politics and all the people in high positions look average to even ugly. Being an artist/writer/philosopher/academic/scientist/etc? Your work is far more important than how you look. Being high in the military? I don't know a lot about that actually, but all the US top generals look good to average. I guess there's being a model and being an actor, but even then ugly people can be famous actors even if they don't get the star power of tom cruise.

These model-tier people in the puasphere are hardly anywhere to be found in the heights of human achievement. It's not because the looks themselves are contributing negatively, but they're just more rare. Fucking Napoleon was an ugly incel and he achieved more than the userbase of any of these forums put together.

And I'm not saying this because I want to reassure myself that it's okay being ugly, I'm both ugly AND talentless, but the worldview of this shit is incredibly narrow and depressing and if you fall for it as an ugly man you will become both depressed AND boring.

>>41104544
>you can't claim facts that are known by observation anmd reasoning not scientific studies
>evolution doesn't mean shit today
why don't you go clubbing mate, pull a few grills instead of hanging around in this pathetic loser thread?

>>41102270
Using bluepill/redpill unironically is a easy way to sort you out as some easily lead fucking moron that can't think for themselves.

Faggot

>>41099238
Retarded forever alone shit.

>>41104538
And every woman won't get chad/jamal/vincent's attention good or bad.

Hell all women won't even be considered as easy pussy head or ass by those guys they so desperately want to be fucked/raped/used/or even casually acknowledged by.

You seem to think these mythical alphas have limitless lust and virility and no standards because PUSSY IS PUSSY BRUH!.
Truth is, most women won't ever be able to even sniff a "chad's" nutsack let alone get fucked by mhim.

>>41104601
Ok anecdote man, whatever makes you feel validated

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so lookism is basically like a religion but instead of Jesus or Mohammed they have Chad

>>41104567
>The modern nuclear family works in many places. But modern media and academia is destroying it and replacing it with nothing.
Not going there. I am just putting things into perspective. Its up to you to observe things and come to your own conclusions. Mocking people for bringing up scientifically backed explanations as to how we evolved from tribal families to well-functioning civilizations will make you sleep better, but it wont make it any less true.

>>41104595
I really dont where I even hinted at implying that. Dont construe your arguments around something you wish I would have said.

>>41104639
I never argued against that. I'm just saying that lusting for a chad is in their genes and if they're being provided for by a beta and get the chance to fuck a chad, of course they go for it. And it has nothing to do with being slutty or whatever because it's just nature.

>>41104645
contrary to the people stating "but I have a friend who pulls....", I haven't posted a single anecdote.

>>41104393
>>41104478
Keep in mind back in the day there was ALOT of rape, men who could afford slaves could also afford to have a bunch of kids with them regardless of consent, and a child reaching 5 years of age was a gamble, especially if you were poor.

So I don't think the fact that the generic lineage of 17 women passed on for every 1 man means that only 1 in 17 men ever got to reproduce.

Also CHADS are way more rare than 1 in 17 men.

>>41104657
Chad is more like the devil. Elliot Roger is the prophet.

>>41104679
>And it has nothing to do with being slutty or whatever because it's just nature.
Exactly. Just like there are lots of cheating husbands in loving marriages. Its just natural to so, evolutionary speaking.
Marriage in that regard works against our primal instincts and desires in that it bonds two people. Raising a child together increases the likelihood of providing a good upbringing for your child and the promise of a loyal wife keeps the man incentivized to work for his family and contribute to the society they live in.
If women were to only fuck 1 out of 17 men, the other 16 would not have it. How will you rise to a civilization then?
Marriage is unnatural in the sense that men dont father as many children as they can and women dont just pick the genetically healthiest guy. Civilization vs primal desires, its really not too complicated if you think for more than 10 seconds about it

>>41103564
>shortcel
Wtf is that bullshit, enough with the retarded internet lingo and just say you are short you fucking moron or should I ironically call you a braincel too you utter pondlife

>>41104692
>So I don't think the fact that the generic lineage of 17 women passed on for every 1 man means that only 1 in 17 men ever got to reproduce.
please explain

>>41104717
kek

>>41104668
The only thing being pushed here is the myth that youre looks dont have any influence and that if you just keep working hard enough, earning more money, you'll achieve your dreams.
you implied that working hard won't help you if you're ugly

which is wrong in most cases where the dream doesn't involve sleeping with women or standing in front of the camera

>>41104717
>narcisistic manlet who got upset when women didnt throw themselves at his feet and was too fucking shy to even talk to them in the first place

Cool prophet you have there loser

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>evolutionary "psychology"

>>41104543
>>here's a clue, daddy is jew, but the kids are black
>>"oho no, we can not be having a paternity test, it would destroy ze family"


More like, Jew hubby is out making goldz and banging vaguely legal french whores Jew wife is at home being outright brutalized by 6'+ athletic Jamal and his 9+ inch uncut bbc.

Child is born and he's...not black. He's also 6+ athletic strong as an ox hung and has a thing for married jewish women and fat asses.
He's also white as snow.
5' nothing Jew father constantly says "He's a chip off of the old block!
Jew mother says "Yeah, he is." While trying to see if he has any of jamals look to him but only sees her hubbies features

>>41104780
Incels believe psychology and sociology are sciences

>>41104728
the one in 17 figure is obviously from a few thousand years ago. As the article states, in more recent times we're talking about one in five or so.
Marriage is a form of providing and that doesn't clash with the black pill. As I've said countless times it's about what women really want and desire not about what they do to get along in life.
I'm not saying you shouldn't get married, if you feel like it's going to make you happy then go for it. I'm just stating the evolutionary fact that your wife would rather be getting fucked by chad (and there is a good chance she is).

>>41104816
Oh, I never argued that point. Im convinced of that myself. When two ugly people get together, do they not think other people are attractive? Of course not. Chances are, they are together despite each other's looks. Obviously she'll consider cheating with some Chad way above her league, just like the other way around. No disagreement there.

>>41104737
Basically what I'm saying is that they guys who could have lots of kids, and have them survive (because if you have a kid that dies your genetic code doesn't move on), we're usually the type that had access to more women (ie slaves), so it skews the statistic making it look like far more women got laid.
And these top guys were probably not Chads, but rich nobles and such.

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>>41102490
>That's under rated advice
However it is easily argued that adding women to your life is a substantial increase. Lifting solely for women or anticipating a woman's perspective is a warped lens. Only betas and cucked bulls really get consumed by a woman's feelings.

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interesting thread, will read up more on that later.

http://archive.is/PLRp5

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>>41103017
>That's highly accurate as woman seemed to be far more of a flock-mentality as opposed to a man being a individual/pack mammal. Women are only bound to the flock through a synthetic medium of media and technological safetys like transportation and electric heating. Women RELY on the system for they cannot sustain themselves on their own without electronics and modern authority to protect them. Men are and always will be Pack animals which includes a persona of loneliness as well. If the world was ridden of technology Men would still be a pack animal and women would revert to their subhuman state for they could not undertake the dangers of a natural and free society. And of course betas are simply bi-products of man that are incomplete and only exist when the system itself compensates for their lack of physical attributes that would be needed to sustain themselves.

>>41104784
If you don't understand then look up how genes of men stay in a woman's body for months and even years after they've had sex. And even if that child is not the child of said man it's DNA is and overall development in the womb is still affected by it.

>>41102492
I hope so anon.

>>41104111
haha yes, attracting 30+ year old women is better than being attractive to jailbait. cool

>>41104955
sounds interesting, can you link me to that I have no idea how to google for that

>>41104236
>There's a reason why successful people are taller and better looking on average.
correlation does not imply causation

>>41104967
Just bitter, disillusioned men who were fucked over by shitty upbringing, shittier genes and had to spend their lives being bullied, ostracized, shunned by society.
Lots of people have experienced that. There are two options: either delude yourself into thinking its all in your power to change, or delude yourself into thinking everything is out of your control and there's nothing that could have been done about it.

Both are wrong. The quotes are comedic relief to deal with terrible experiences. There are truly horrible people on there, but they decided to take a sober look on this world and how people interact with each other.

>>41105009
it actually does imply it, it just doesn't prove it. But nice meme.

>>41104236
Kids of successful kids are better looking
Someone who has the best healthcare, food, and a stable family life will obviously look better than some trailer park kid.

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>all these mental gymnastics
Kek@incels
You really don't deserve sex you little freaks, become normal

>females don't go for the bes-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vqRbScCIPU

Probably THE video about how the majority of females perceive most of males as not being "on her level" and that "she deserves more".
Obvious stuff but nicely presented.

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>>41105028
penis stretching is 100% easily possible to help reach 2"-3" inches in length in the period of 2 years, which is slow gains actually. 4-5 is possible but its the outer limit from my understanding

korean plastic surgeons are world class. lee jae dong's and lee young ho's of the surgery world exist. korean talent is celestial and divine

skin maxing is relatively inexpensive, so is teeth whitening, and a good cycle with some good hormones and steroids will have you looking joosay like zyzz

its entirely possible, but you are stunted the older of a incel you are

by the way, the single most important thing to do is no fap. not even joking

>>41105105
god looks down on arrogant filth like you. its actually why i dont like to browse lookism, yes they are correct, but exceptionally mean and they laugh and mock the poor of the soul

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>>41105048
how this is not common sense on here is mind-boggling. Do these two people look like they were raised on food stamps?

This is a self-improvement board after all, isnt it? So have you lifted and had a good diet for a year? Did something change? Nice.

Imagine you were well-fed already in your mom's womb, had great food at home because your parents could afford it, they signed you up for football practice when you were 5. Isnt that healthy, good upbringing?
Rich people look better generally because they have been self-improving unknowingly their entire lives. Most here fucked up by being born to shitty parents who didnt know how to raise a child. Of course, that's not your fault, but is it neither Chad's.

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>>41105138
God looks down on you, little freak incel go have sex

>>41105138
>by the way, the single most important thing to do is no fap.

actually i take that back. i think the most important thing personally is to pray to god every day

>>41105160
shhhhhhh, i dont respect filth like you. fuck off back to your cancerous forum

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>>41105177
What forum? You schizo fucker, go massage your dick for hours every day in hope to make it longer so maybe one day after you evolve or whatever you might make a girl happier.
I'm actually glad you fuckers exist so normal guys can have sex easier

>>41105117
It's a coping method and way to keep from going full desperate and easy fuck for guys who're above them.

Most know that many guys are out of their league on a deep instinctual level and seek to protect their ego by denigrating them consciously, and protect their virtue by saying that they aren't really in their league.

A woman spends a lot of time talking themselves out of fucking and liking guys they shouldn't. Nothing more infuriating then dealing with a woman who wants to fuck or have something but spends most of her time being a hateful cunt who will not fuck off.

>>41105216
sure, im ugly and my penis isnt large so i have to seek ways to improve it, im not born a chad

>so maybe one day after you evolve or whatever you might make a girl happier
thanks

>I'm actually glad you fuckers exist so normal guys can have sex easier
congrats on being chad, must be nice, i dont understand the need to laugh at me though?

Dick size doesn't matter prove me wrong

>>41105263
Dude just stop replying

>>41105315
SHHHHHHHHHH filth kill yourself u disgusting human being

do you laugh at the crippled and retarded too?

do you like what you see in the mirror? filth like you doesnt belong here, this place isnt made to kick your fellow man down for your amusement

tell me, do you believe in god?

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>>41105288
Man with a 9+ inch dick here.
It doesn't. Not really.

>>41105364
I'm not that guy you absolute retard, you're making a fool out of yourself and I almost felt some sympathy there for a second

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>he thinks it's about FACE HEIGHT FRAME and not SPIRIT BLOOD OVERCOMING
stay mad inplebs

>>41105500
Nigger what the fuck cathocucks are literally the OG incel movement where they built up their failures(inceldom) into virtues rather than overcome then

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>>41104486
>I ask you.
>So what if "Chad" has women and dykes becoming full whore for him? Is he happy with his life? Is he content?

uhh yes ? kek

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>>41104158
>tfw have the height, the hair, the frame, the positive canthal tilt, midface ratio is 1.1, but only a decent jawline and a small chin (it's not recessed, it's normal position)

how bad am i fucked lads?

the chin thing is entirely genetic, i got it from my mom (russian) and all the women have small chins like that

>pic related how chin looks

>>41105605
>how bad am i fucked lads?
pretty badly considering you have terminal autism

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>>41105551
stop feeling resentment

>>41102313
holy kek this is gold

>>41105605
If a girl has never made it obvious that she likes you then you're a lot more subhuman thank you think.

What a sad, sad place /fit/ has become. We used to help each other to the top until this r9k cancer spread here.

>>41106207
r9k is not what this is, im a long time r9k'r

this is puahate/sluthate/lookism cancer. i have a suspicion a lot of it is females larping as males. females are all cruel sociopaths naturally. like females LOVE watching cringe compilations of people and laughing at them unironically. they are just disgusting like that

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>>41104240
>that picture

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>>41104405
>PCT hunter eyes aren't ideal

>>41106329
that's entirely correct

>>41105985
I've had girls come up to me in parties and start flirting with me

I have no problem pulling at parties, but my biggest concern about having no protruded chin is
>will i ever be chad?
i feel so close, but so far

>>41106207
Thirty chicks from /r9k/ followed some guys from the /cbt/ to here and set up shop.
Lot of open agressive yet safe /fit/ virile half naked guys being emotionally open and vulnerable but also rapey?
Yeah. The women lesbos and queers got here and decided to never leave.
After moot set up /hm/ we thought we'd see less traffic from them.
But they stayed here once they realized that it was just the male equivalent of /s/.
With gays and creeps roleplaying as the opposite sex to get stupid low selfesteem idiots to get naked and do gay stuff and post their latest finds from the /cbt/ or /b/ threads.

>>41106207
Lookism can be seen as an improvement. Surgeries to improve your face. That's all it is.

>>41102997
What the fuck is "Redpilled" Shit how long have I been out of the loop for?

>>41101246
lol you arent rotting in a basement but try to do something with your life nice cope subhuman

>>41103771
you have to understand that youre in the low 10% of white men height or something. thats not average. so dont try to talk about having to be chad when you cant even reach average.

also, you have a shit mindset, stucking yourself in an echo-chamber with miserable people will wash your brain eventually. i see many couples where the girl has the same/almost the same height and theyre around average, try to find a short girl.

and just because you dont realise, maybe youre not fun to be around. i know i was a huge dickhead a few years ago without realising and when i did, it hit me hard. maybe youre a weirdo that creeps people out or people can feel your insecurities and powerlevel from a mile

also, get friends. ive never seen incels with friends. theyre all foreveralone faggots. if youre not fun to be around as a friend how do you want to impress a girl

>>41104158
i see prettier looking people than these on a daily basis. the two on the side is not even attractive, just ripped and the right has good hair
holy autism

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>>41108104

>>41103771

The true redpill, anon, is once you realize that the likes of Zyzz and Murphy are only able to interest the most shallow of women.

It will take you even longer to understand why you should strive for more than women with curvy bodies and slim waists. You might even die before that happens.

>>41106207
honestly, you can go fuck yourself. On /fit/ I do nothing but spread positivity, encourage anons, give legitimate advice and back it up with non-bullshit sources.
My entire family is "redpilled" apparently. Have you guys ever read a fucking book in your life? Helena of Troy started a fucking war because she was so beautiful. Every fucking superhero is handsome, almost every crooked villain is ugly. Fairy tales, movies, books dating back millennia.

It boggles my mind how people can so unaware of their surroundings, mankind's history, evolution, literature. Do you think Plato's cave allegory or Alice's rabbit hole or the Cartesian demon or any other shit metaphor first came up when the internet started to take off or The Matrix was made? How oblivious to the realities of this world are you?

Have you ever taken a step back and observed social gatherings? Did it never occur to you to question why certain people are popular and others are not?
When I was 8, aunts, uncles and mom were talking about another cousin who just had married his girlfriend and gotten a really high paying job. They were talking to us kids explaining how something like this happened.
>Well you know he is so charming and funny (he was) and goodlooking.

It was explained to me that because of his looks and personality people liked to be around him, thus he'd get the job rather than someone with the same qualifications but lacking in the interpersonal department. Totally obvious for an 8 year old. How this needs tons of studies, pictures, screenshots and scientific explanations to explain grown adults with at least half a functioning brain is beyond me.

Its not my fault your parents fucked up, not teaching you to read, be active, eat healthy or explaining social interactions. But dont mock people who have it even harder than you just because their world view is a lot more rational and clear-headed.

>>41099306

r9k is a shitty board. LOOKISM IS WOKE AF

Holy shit Mike Albion!

>>41108573

>The war of Troy started because of Helena's beauty

You are literally a fucking pleb. If you actually like reading, go read stiegler and anders and stop shitting up the board.

>>41102448

What? No. Incels are more enlightened than you bluepilled stormfrontcels.

>>41103330

JORDAN BARRETT GOES ON LOOKISM CONFIRMED

>>41103663

Post face. You fucking /r/TRP cuck. Lookism is more redpilled than your PUA shit.

>>41103861
> biggest slayer skinny kid

Stop coping, you bluepilled faggots. The women he attracted were probably ugly. And even if you say they were attractive, chances are they were probably a PSL 5/10.

>>41104033

> you dont need looks for success

Uhh, buddy. In the business world, Looks and Height matters. Maybe not in IT induestries, where you work.

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Daily reminder that the Greensboro jock is now a self-made millionaire, married with kids and employing over 100 nerds by now. Sluthaters managed to dox him.

I wish I was kidding, its like a fairytale.

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>>41108698

True.

Also,

bluepilled Gymcel coping fitizen who believes in "confidence on the Left. And redpilled chad slayer on the right.

>>41108710
You cant reason with the delusional faggots here. They need to experience it themselves. That dox thread is absolutely glorious, SH at its best. But be warned, if you read that thread there's no turning back.

>>41099238
Those retards make /fit/ and /r9k/ look like sane, well-rounded individuals.

>>41099238

I had my gyno removed if that counts.

>>41106360
cope/10

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>>41108850

Nice argument faggot

>>41108850
if it was ideal why has it never been an aesthetic ideal in the thousands of years of western civilization until now

>>41103771
Just cold approaching women put you above 80% of males.
Yeah i never approach first because i'm 6'3" white and have a square jaw with hollow cheeks.
But i wish i could because i bang 10 times less whores than my manlet friend who's objectively less beautifull than me.

>>41108877
just like small dicks were ideal in roman times?
Ideals change, the current ideal for male beauty is slayer hunter eyes, i'm sorry about your bug eyes bro, i'm sure there are some surgeries available

>>41108906
>hunter eyes
this is the gayest dumbest shit I've ever read in my entire life

>>41108929
cope

>>41108937
meme

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>>41108929
I think the length of the midface is the most important feature...though there is no paper that has determined the single most important feature (since we perceive faces as a whole anyway)... But I would say that having a short midface, combined with wide set, forward set eyes and a wide jaw. These traits are the perfect hunter / athlete signal for a variety of reasons based in evolutionary psychology.


>https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1cstrm/i_did_research_on_facial_attractiveness_for_years/

>>41108960
> for a variety of reasons based in evolutionary psychology.
lol

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>>41099306
And if you want to be a normie just go to reddit.

>>41108974
t. bug-eyed loser that was picked last in PE

>>41108994
t. broscience phd

>>41108960
The most important feature is to have a mix of masculine and feminine traits.

>>41103833
prove it
http://vocaroo.com/

>>41108974
Whats the problem with evolutionary psychology?

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>tfw my gf told me that I have a girly singing voice yesterday while I was singing in the car

>>41109036
I quoted the guy from the thread. Pronounced brow ridge is highly positively correlated with prenatal testosterone exposure. Protects the eyes and underlying nerves. Strong jaw and chin as well. compact midface is always good, relates to even, healthy development.

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>>41109086
>tfw my gf told me that I have a girly singing voice yesterday while I was singing in the car

>>41109067
it's impossible to verify so it all becomes retarded shit for people to project their worldview into based on caveman stereotypes

and we barely know what human society was like 10 000 BC much less 100 000 BC

>>41109184
What on earth do you mean its impossible to verify?

>human society was like 10 000 BC much less 100 000 BC

What does that have to do with evolutionary psychology?

I think you have evo psych mixed up with something else.

>>41109103
Those are all good but most women still prefer slightly more feminine than masculine traits.

>>41109202
lets take a common theory
>women want to bang alpha males for genes but stick with beta males for protection because this was a more effective evolutionary strategy than the others back when the desire evolved
but you don't know how human societies were formed back then or how courtship was or anything like that, we just have very loose theories based on modern tribes(which are, contrary to common perception, not actual "primal" societies if there ever was such a thing and can have vast differences between each other and also are mostly pulled from a few groups of africans/papauans/south americans) and archeological findings which are mostly just a few tools/primitive artworks/decorations/corpses and not something like a written account that can give you some detailed insight into societies.

you can't use the scientific method to test it because you can't repeat any sort of experiment, and human psychology is MUCH more complex than the beak shapes of birds or whatever so you can't make as many deductive guesses

generally I would stay away from any ideology touted and especially invented by fucking forum posters on the internet or other masses of retards, in such cases their very adherence to it is a warning sign in itself

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>>41109210
What? Are you joking right now? You cant be serious

>>41109325
>>women want to bang alpha males for genes but stick with beta males for protection because this was a more effective evolutionary strategy than the others back when the desire evolved

What?

Yeah mate, you are definitely projecting your own beliefs onto something you don't understand as a proof it can be discredited.

Certainly not a good argument that a fully qualified field of scientific research and understanding should be dismissed.

>>41104444
quads confirm it

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>>41109337
Not joking, here's what it looks like in the largest and latest study.

>>41109386
>Certainly not a good argument that a fully qualified field of scientific research and understanding should be dismissed.
it's not fully qualified, it's heavily contested

and sure, let the scientists contest each other, no real harm in that and it's how fields are created in the first place, but it's not exactly chemistry, and in the hands of people online it's basically the same level of validity as troll physics, except now nobody can prove them wrong

and that theory is fairly common to hear in the "redpill" memosphere

>>41109460
>, it's heavily contested
Yeah, you've got evopsych mixed up with something.

>and in the hands of people online

So someone else trolling/misinterpreting evopsych somehow makes it wrong?

>and that theory is fairly common to hear in the "redpill" memosphere

So not actual research then? You've connected some fringe group to a serious scientific field.

>>41109500
>So someone else trolling/misinterpreting evopsych somehow makes it wrong?
I never said it was wrong (but it's not right either, because it's a field of study and not a theory beyond the basics of "psychology is influenced by biology which is influenced by evolutionary forces"), I said what was wrong with it, and we are in the context of people online talking so i am pretty right to dismiss it when someone here brings it up

>>41109500

Evo psych is heavily contested you fucking retard

>>41109884
In what way?

No need for the bad language as well.

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>Reasonably good looking guy before puberty, always could count on a girl having a crush on me any given year of middle school through sophomore year of high school
>face begins to change, acne hits, jawline disappears
>now I'm just a goofy looking mofo

I'm at 6'0 175 right now so I'm hoping if I can get back into aerobic exercise and cut some calories I can maybe lose some of this facial fat

>>41110007
Should add that I'm 19 and that I don't exercise or lift at all right now

AHAHAHAHAHA

This is the most horrifyingly funny thread I've seen in months.

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>>41104766
lel