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STOP MAKING BAD OPS

No source talk.

Before you ask beginners' cycle/bnc advice, read this: https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/index.

If you still have questions after that, post the following:

>Age
>Body fat %
>Lifting experience

M A G A

>>40403771
There's literally nothing wrong with anon's OP jeez.

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My gym is having some daddy/daughter dance, do you think it'd be kinda weird if I showed up with some tinder slut wearing a choker that said "Daddy's".

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>>40403820
>My gym is having some daddy/daughter dance
a fucking what?
dancing? in the gym?
daugther and dad?
???????????

muricans, not even once

>>40403820
Do it you mad man you...

By the way is it bad if I loved the layout of the bathroom and saw her stretchmarks and thought to myself fucking dropped...

>>40403861
Sorry chap Im from Melbourne

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>start TRT
>bench PRs every session despite cutting
Coincidence? I think not!

>>40403820
Everything about this post is funny.

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>>40403820

>>40403781
not including shit in the op is a bad op

>>40403757
It's a bit delusional to think that women don't have societal beauty standards outside of muscles. Things that female hormones would promote, like female bf distribution, soft skin, breasts/ass/other such curves, long hair, etc

You're fooling yourself with way too much online incel echo chamber if you think both genders don't experience heavy amounts of appearance based pressures in society

The average normalfag man is also a mindless follower and plenty of them do not need or pursue muscles, either. The stereotypes you're hitting are largely applicable to the masses and really sound like they have more to do with your own insecurity (blaming dem mindless high standard wimminz) than the topic at hand - which is that female hormone use should in theory promote sexier female characteristics in woman and thus I can't see why it would not be more pursued. Even if you continue to argue women don't 'need it' to attract a mate, not everyone works on their appearance for the sole sake of getting men.

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>>40403861
They're doing it in the indoor basketball courts.

>>40403882
? The fuck are you on about m8.

>>40403881
>stretch marks

DEY MEAN SHE A REEL WOMAN. STRONG INDEPENDANT WOMAN

>>40403917
It's not an equivalency.

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>>40403917
It's not going to affect anything except your skin and water retention. Maybe not even for the better, tight skin can be a solid indication of good endocrine health. You already have an estrogenic bf distribution considering you've never had a pair of nuts in your life.

You're putting a lot of stock into your own theory, but you don't seem to account that jacking the androgenic compounds up too far doesn't produce anything that attractive looking either. Unless you like weird tomato skin men.

The primary benefit of steroids is more muscle at a lower bodyfat. Not masculinizing properties, which people look for and placebo themselves over. "The tren made my jaw/hands bigger I swesr guys! My gf says so too!"

I guess I'm fine.

>Got three numbers from three different dispensary qts who all know I have their numbers.
>slept with one already
>drinks with another Saturday
>third sending nudes
>ex blogging about how sad she is

I'm just gonna eat codeine and lsd and play for honor.

>>40404102
Link blog for comic relief

>>40404102
Don't look at her blog you faggot. You need to eliminate thought patterns involving the bitchbeast.

>>40403982
No shit, sherlock. There's still obvious struggles on both sides of the fence to do with societal perception of physical appearance, though. Neither gender has it objectively 'worse' than the other

Unless you're talking about hormones, then my first statement of no shit still stands but to a lesser extent

>>40404034
Then why does taking birth control, with small doses of female hormones, effect these things in women?

Why, if a woman has a lower or mid range female hormone count, would heightening it not effect her feminity?

I may have never had testicles but I've taken male steroids for long enough and in high enough doses that I have seen changes to my physical appearance. Despite some things being permanent, there are others that can be reversed by upping female hormones or blocking androgen receptors. Ie. Faster body hair regrowth etc.

I'm not questioning your post rudely here, I'm sincerely curious as I obviously lack the full medical understanding of why it would have 0 benefits to women who have extensively used male roids, or the average woman in general

>>40404110
No
>>40404112
True

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>>40403751

OK so two newfag questions

what the fuck do you use albuterol inhalers for ?

what'$ the going rate for a legit one ?

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>>40404148
Do you like having your ass eaten? If so how would you rate the overall experience?

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>>40404148
>There's still obvious struggles on both sides of the fence to do with societal perception of physical appearance, though.

>>40403046
DELET THIS

>>40403133

That sux... prolly for the best though anyways. Wow that sounds mean. You know what I'm trying to say.

Gonna try for another miniestp with Jake lookalike any time soon?

>>40403490
What an oddly endearing story about little bloodclot baby.

>>40404102

You were fucked up yesterday when you were texting me, weren't you?

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>>40404452
Oh yea forgot trip

>>40404452
>when u accidentally spent the best years of your life in ur fucking room
>and then you accidentally look in the mirror and have a mental breakdown and start punching yourself in the face

>>40404227
Alb helps assist in fat loss/appetite suppression, usually considered the 'lesser' option of clenbuterol

Generally used in pill form opposed to inhaler

The inhaler itself is a prescription breathing aid

Would recommend trying an ec/eca stack first instead, as lots of people have negative sides with alb

>>40404244
I'm indifferent to it. Its not like it's awful but I wouldn't really ask for it, more for the guys sake if it was a fetish for him. I don't particularly like receiving oral in any fashion, though. I'd really rather just have, and cum more from, actual intercourse

>>40404419
Eyyy that'd be a shit scenario for a woman too

Is that recent? Didn't you say the swelling was improving?

>>40404459
Nah I was sober at the airport. Livid.

>>40404487
>>Is that recent? Didn't you say the swelling was improving?
objectively it is improving, yes, except if you take something bigger than a baseball and reduce it by 85% it is still fucking huge when it is in your face in 8 places

side note, i procrastinated ordering my BAC water, it only shipped out today with my melanotan 2. probably gonna get here AFTER my fucking hgh, lel. fuck

>>40404452
No, I agree. It was 'for the best' so to speak, on many different levels. I have an iud now so I don't think any more babbies are in my near future... they're apparently a rather reliable contraceptive method, if the fucking cramping it causes ever stops

>>40404513
Can you just opt for surgery at this point and have the shit removed?

>melanotan 2
Any past experience with it? Been considering ordering myself

>>40404549
>>Can you just opt for surgery at this point and have the shit removed?
no because mine is systemic and affects what seems to be every salivary gland, since all 8 that are big enough to see are swollen. which also means the thousands of minor ones in my face are swollen too (there have been case studies showing this)

so not in my case

>Any past experience with it? Been considering ordering myself
no but yolo. got 50mg of it total. tired of being a pasty ass white boy. i get blinded by white every time i look in the mirror

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>>40404549
>I have an iud now
evidently they work really well, exgf had one and never had any issues. Didn't have the hormonal fluctuations from birth control either

>tfw qtczgf had hers removed before she came here because we want babies

>>40404606
>>>tfw qtczgf had hers removed before she came here because we want babies
what makes you in your mind believe that this foreign internet girl wants anything but your money + US citizenship, like i dont get it.

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>>40404619
>implying that's a bad deal for getting a /wholesome/ wife who will bear viable heirs for you

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>>40404606
whoops forgot I was shitposting elsewhere

>>40404619
>anything but your money
kek, if only I had some, I'd probably try to scam myself out of it too.

>US citizenship
actually she fucking hates it here. The family she works for are a bunch of rich assholes (I told her they would be, anyone who can afford a live in nanny naturally is) and she already despises them

probably gonna end up going back to the CR with her over the summer, since I'm of czech origin (ancestrally) I can apply for czech permanent residence. Just get a TEFL license for teaching english and I'll be making $12 (USD)/hour there doing that.

Sounds like shit, but it's realistically about $25/hour in CZK, since their purchasing power is so low and it's a dirt cheap country to live in. So it's actually a decent pay rate. Nothing huge, but comfortable enough.

also
>>40404632

>>40404601
Dayumn nigga it just gets shittier and shittiet don't it

>yolo
Kek keep me updated then. I've always opted for foam on tanner but it fades awfully

Haunting this board with dat whiteness

>>40404606
Yeah. I did get a hormonal one opposed to copper, which in retrospect might not be ideal if i want to continue with var, but eyy that's future estp's potential issue

Good luck if you have dem chilluns. You'll at least have fun making them I'm sure

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>>40404640
jesus christ I just realized I'm literally migrating back to my ancestral region of origin and intend to breed with a wholesome qt of the same heritage

>absolutely related

>>40404659
I'm not familiar with the hormonal one.

>>40404606
>they work really well
Til you stab your dick on one of the string things.

Yo for honor is pretty tight

>>40404640
>yfw iphone costs EXACTLY the same amount of dollars in CR as anywhere else
>yfw everything else you want (TV, PC, etc) also cost exact same amount
>yfw people actually voted for this.. to join EU and knew this would happen KEK
>yfw rent is a bit cheaper I guess

>>40404510
Gotchya. Yeah it's crazy dood, I've never seen or heard of you being so mad before. Get plastered tonight and have some fun.

>>40404743
I looked into it and it looked p interesting until I saw Ubisoft then made a mental note of "not buying that game."

Besides, I'm too busy grinding pub wins in dota. LD is my key to 7k mmr lads.

>>40404743
How's your acid? 1P or the real deal?

>>40404743
It's really bad.

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>>40404785
yeah, I assume that has to do with the purchasing power correlation. Everything is cheaper but the wages there generally suck cock

but on that TEFL license I'd be making the exact same as what I would now. Even at 25hrs/week of teaching (granted I have absolutely no idea how many hours I would get) that's like, 30,000CZK/month. Which seems to be a pretty okay salary there.

>>40404890
what's 1P like? Haven't ever tried it. Closer to legit LSD or nBomes?

>>40404918
but that's only true if all you ever want is food / living space

immediately if you want to buy electronics / car / etc, the price is actually HIGHER compared to what you pay in dollar in the US, and significantly so

60 dollars for some xbaux game will be rougly 60 euros (convert that to CZK), same holds for cars, pc parts, etc

>>40404918
Not sure- from what I've read it's not too dissimilar from legit acid.

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>>40404949
Ah, I see what you're saying.

>that's only true if all you ever want is food/living space

Outside of chan4, I usually hate electronics. I'm mostly outside if I'm not in the gym. I don't even own a t.v, kek. Car could be an issue, depending on how much it would cost to transport my current one over there I'd probably just have to buy a new one. But I drive a cheap-ish $4000 used car anyway.

I do remember qtczgf complaining because she wanted to ditch her android for an iphone but the cost was ridiculous there, now that I think about it.

hi

600 Test E 20 weeks
400 Deca 18 weeks
20 Sdrol 4 weeks (ED)

If I choose to PCT instead of cruising after this, will 40/40/20/20 Nolva be enough, or should I get some Clomid too to be safe? Never used Clomid and the sides sound kinda sketchy but I've also never done such a long cycle

>>40405113
NPP rather than deca if you plan to PCT. Nolva should be fine but you may need to extend it by a week or two at 20.

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>>40404890
>tfw I have a 10 strip of test kitted acid but no time to do it and idk how I'm gonna get it through airport sec so I'll prolly just give it to currentgf before I leave.

>>40405134
Why NPP? More time with peak blood levels? Mostly leaning towards the deca because I already have a few vials

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>>40405178
>idk how I'm gonna get it through airport security

buy a glucometer and attach it with a food safe epoxy to the test strips you insert into the glucometer. Throw it all in checked baggage. Won't bat an eye.

>tfw filled a humalog vial with test and one with deca and taking that and some needles with me when I travel, all wrapped up in checked baggage

might buy a fake prescription sheet for like $5 too and fill it out just in case they pop the bag open for whatever reason. But the vial is sealed so, meh.

>>40405186
more time with peak blood levels yes but a really fucky PCT on deca is usually pretty common. Deca stays in the system for fucking EVER and can really fuck with you in PCT. I really think that EQ/Deca should be reserved for those who B&C.

Granted there's alternatives now. Nandrolone Cypionate, NPP, Bold Ace, Bold Cyp, etc.

>>40405178
Acid is probably the only drug I would risk taking through an airport. Can be stashed anywhere and dogs can't smell it. I just pack it somewhere they won't find it unless they're digging through like every item in my possession

>>40405220
gotcha. thank you

>>40405220
Interesting. Actually it's on gel tabs so I have a pretty good idea if I do decide to bring it. Still probably won't though.

>>40405228
True. I'm for SURE not bringing my molly for that reason alone. The nederlanders have better molly anyways. Popping that shit on my birthday and going out before I leave.

I have Test P and Test C. I'm trying to frontload with Test P.

How should I dose the Test P and the Test C?
One of my first cycles if that matters.

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Hey boys

So pinned just 150 Test e Monday morning. Felt good all week.

Except today Ive felt off. I originally attributed it to Instant Knockout (typical caffiene/cayenne/ other shit capsule) and today is definitely the last day Im taking it. Im having weird sides and I cant tell if its high estro already (possible this early)? Or just too much caffeine.

>elevated heart rate
>drinking a bunch of water
>sweating a lot
>flushed
>pissing a fair amount but then again also drinking a lot of water
>was restless all day and starting to feel fatigued and foggy last few hours
>BF% went up higher than Ive seen it in weeks this morning, and I didnt overeat yesterday

Again, Ive only pinned ONCE. And I have asin on hand. Im thinking of skipping pinning tonight and just doing it tomorrow morning, not taking the caffiene pill, and then taking Asin if the symptoms persist.

Thoughts?

>inb4 why you pay for knockout
Impulse buy

>>40404227
Lmao don't use inhalers dumdum, get pills. Find an Indian pharmacy online.

>>40404743
Beta was glitchy and annoying. I'll wait until a few updates

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>>40405446
drink bier

>>40405446
Let's see... Could it be the long ester chemical that your body naturally produces causing the problems... Or the caffeine and stims and bullshit you're taking?

Don't be fucking retarded anon

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>>40405486
I was trying to find out if the ones I can get where worth any dosh but thanks for (you)

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Anyone else get bloated super easily? I don't know if it's the tren fucking with my digestion or just my normal fucked up stomach but damn it's annoying.

I remember JJ saying something about apple cider vinegar but I don't remember if it was for bloating.

>>40405520
Alb is alright. I prefer EC but I kept getting fucking sinus infections so I can't take it anymore :( might have to switch back to alb

Lads im thinking of swapping from 400mg tren e to methylated tren(experiment).

What dose would the oral be to equal 2x 200mg injections a week?

Does methyl tren give less prolactin issues? Are the gains shittier?

Was thinking of trestolone too but i heard its watery as hell. Cant be a ripped femboy with water retention you know.

>>40405536
>I don't know if it's the tren fucking with my digestion
i get this bad

cant shit ever, and i have a bloated ass lower stomach that makes me look pregnant from my stomach and intestines bulging out

>>40405506
I dont drink liquid carbs anon. Whiskey and bourbon.

>>40405507
If I had these symptoms any other day I took this stuff I wouldnt be worried. But to this point its been pretty mild.

I think it might just be that today is my only rest day of the week and I barely used any energy. And the numbers on my scale this morning just really threw me off. Plus I have low T to begin with and the increase will hit my e2 pretty early.

>>40405536
Vinegar in general can aid in several ways. Acetic acid helps maintain insulin sensitivity. A lot digestion issues are actually caused by not producing enough stomach acid, introducing small amounts of acv could be an easy way to increase that acid vs taking betaine hcl.

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>>40405220
>stealth
Mirin the dedication. I wonder if going without a script would even matter since slin isn't scheduled (afaik). Or maybe get some OTC ReliOn vials if you're that worried.

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>>40405566
I did 2 table spoons with some honey for a couple days but never stuck to it.

>>40405548
Yeah it fucking sucks. My entire stomach looks like a beer belly on a fat dude. Thankfully I can still shit but some days it's just nonstop hershey squirts.

God I wish someone would find a way to make pip free DHB at a reasonable dose so I could run that instead.

>>40405556
You're having BP and stress related problems due to your stim use. You won't feel shit from test e until like week 3 or 4 and that "feel" is horniness.

Stop freaking out breh

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>>40405556
>I don't drink liquid carbs anon
...
>whiskey and bourbon

at least you redeemed yourself

>tfw I've been starting up a bad coffee/cigarette/whiskey habit again

at least it's not half a pack, 4-6 cups, and drinking until I numb myself to sleep anymore

moderation, right?

pic related is god tier and I love this shit

>>40405599
you're right, slin isn't scheduled and you don't actually need a script for it (except the longer release insulins, right?) anyway, the idiots running TSA checks don't know that and if they see that mr. goldsteinenberg signed off on a script they'll just throw it back in the bag and be done with it anyway

all of that implying they even care enough to open it in the first place when they see needles/'insulin'/a glucometer

>>40405629
Kinda random but do you run an AI on cruise dose?

>>40405633
You copying me brah? I was just talking about monkey shoulder a few weeks ago. Wasn't namefagging tho.

Black label my shit too.

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>>40405599
>>40405220
My dads on TRT and just went to Florida for a month. I asked him if he was worried about taking his stuff (his is legal)

He didnt even take a script. Just through it in the checked bag and that was that. As long as your shit looks medicinal (diabetes or insulin kit and not a sketchy heroin kit or somethin) I think youre always fine.


>>40405629
Thats what I needed to hear my man. I have anxiety issues anyways. I quit most other stims (legal or otherwise) but wanted to drop a few more lbs first four weeks of cycle.

>>40405633
Ill have to check it out if only for bottle asthetics alone.

Im mainly a bourbon whiskey man, Woodford Reserve at home and Bulleit at the bars, or Cleveland bourbon if they have it...because I live in Cleveland. Shits amazing.

>>40405648
Depends on my mood. I didn't for a while but I think my casual drinking and other factors affected my levels so I started 0.25 adex with every pin. It's enough not to fuck with my dick or mood so that's all I do.

That's subjective as fuck tho, you'll have to figure that out yourself.

>>40405446
Probably combination of weirdness from stims and estro.

Yes it's possible for estrogenic sides to show up already. Plus test on its own has water retention properties. I can be bloofy with crashed e2

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>>40405661
Black label is good as well, not a huge fan personally but I won't turn it down if it's offered. Good taste

>>40405669
>Woodford Reserve

top-tier taste as well. I remember being 15-17 and getting my dad's out of the cupboard, playing WoW, and drinking my way through raid night, kek

But yeah, roids and domestic travel are really not a big deal if you just take 5 minutes to make it look semi-legal.

>I live in Cleveland

ayyyyyy Ohiofags unite. Wonder if you ever lived close to Jerry, kek

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>>40405520
Eyyy nice image.

Used to hate pepe cause all the whiny fags would spam it. Now he's this awesome pseudo-archetype character representing the border between order and the unknown.>>40405520

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>>40405629
>You won't feel shit from test e until like week 3 or 4 and that "feel" is horniness.
Unless you're low test and/or high cortisol. I was disastrously low test and definitely "felt" something more than placebo by the end of the first week. More than just a feeling though, more like a fucking revelation from almighty God tbqh.

In addition to mere horniness, there was LIBIDO. Actually wanting to fuck women instead of merely being aroused by them (subtle difference but notable). So much more as well, but I just wanted to chime in in case anon is trying to self-administer TRT and the 150 is a frontload for a 200mg cruise or something.

>>40405629
Nah. I was rocking a diamond cutter maybe 40minutes after my first pin. Was definitely not placebo because I did not in any way expect to get horny, and it was quite a dramatic first few weeks.

It calmed down to a baseline hornyness eventually though. Just saying there's definitely effects from first pin. The vasodilation happens very quickly as well IIRC.

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>>40405718
Haha I ran through my parents crown as a kid and couldnt drink it until I was like 20. The brain knows.

Jerry was anon posting a few weeks back and people thought I was him cause I mentioned Ohio. We are a proud ./fit/ people.

>>40405711
>>40405736
My test was very low (posted about my bloods a week back) and my cortisol is almost certainly very high (anxiety issues compounded by being out of work the past few months)

Im doing 250/wk for a minimum of 4 weeks to test the waters. Because of my levels I will likely cruise for longer, but will revisit bloods and potentially blast at 500 after that.

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>>40405729
>representing the border between order and the unknown
PRAISE KEK

>>40405619
What a beautiful image. Evokes some /wholesome/ feels like maybe she's an island girl who has never gotten male attention or been sexually approached but is now seeing a ship approach shore and feels her latent sexuality blossom in a most innocent and natural way without any preconceived notions/tropes of how it "should" be.

Fuck. Are these the feels that draw jerry to waifus?

>>40405718
It's just good budget but I think monkey shoulder might be better.

Lagvulin my absolute favorite

>>40405736
Fair. But I consider it the same. My first cycle I jacked off in my car behind a Popeyes looking at Facebook pics.

It's sad and funny all at once.

>>40405758
I was just being generalized and trying to calm him down, friend

You're right though

Going to be traveling out of the country for about a week and a half later this year. I'm only running TRT doses (test-e E3.5D), so I figure I can switch esters in preparation for the trip. Is undecanoate the standard for this, or is there a more fitting ester? What's the best way to transition?

>>40405806
There's a lot I want to say just l m a o

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>>40405520
>>40405486
>>40404227
I was trying to find out if it would be worth selling my asthma inhalers on DNM or not


not big if not all least I can go bane mode

>>40405764
Cool that you're doing TRT to do something about it. The most cruel part of lowT-highC if it's ravaged your constitution for some time is that your brain is susceptible to overthinking the shit out of the decision (insufficient approach-avoidance resolution ability caused by gimped HPC among other things) and gets attached to the ""comfort"" of the known (but shitty) condition.

Doesn't hurt to do a cortisol mitigation stack as well. Phosphatidylserine (PS) and ashwagandha in the am. PS is good for your brain in general too, no harm if your high C diagnosis is mistaken. Best of luck anon, I truly hope you find relief and keep us informed of your mental and other improvement as you progress on this beautiful ride.

>>40405806
Hahahaha that's something I would have done as a teenager no doubt. I do find myself almost going through a second puberty or something (this may be premature because I'm only 4-5 weeks into a legit cruise dose) because as a teenager I never related to the cultural behavior tropes associated with teenagers like not being shy about confrontation, risk-/thrill-seeking behavior, and the like. But now I feel some of those behaviors manifesting. Beautiful. Out of place sometimes since I'm an old man but I'm grateful to be experiencing them at all.

I love /fraud/ so much - would never have gotten the balls to do this without all the experienced help I got from peeps here. Hope I can pay it forward one day.

>>40405882
On 600mg test I jacked off behind this Popeyes at 30 years old.

No regrets

>>40405836
Test U is good. Play around with steroidcalc and you'll figure something suitable out. Or just stick with Test E and do something similar to what CP mentions >>40405220 and just travel with it.

what's the best way to fuck someone up? what should you put in their food/drink?

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>>40405882
For sure brah. We had that psychedelics discussion the other day, and Im thinking of running a microdose end of march to help my mood. Ive never even considered attacking the cortisol but Im definitely going to look into it.

Gonna grab a trip soon so its easier for me to document progress and get advice. Just not as joocey as you all sick kunts

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>>40405918
Poison is for women and eunuchs.

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>>40405882
>The most cruel part of lowT-highC if it's ravaged your constitution for some time is that your brain is susceptible to overthinking the shit out of the decision (insufficient approach-avoidance resolution ability caused by gimped HPC among other things) and gets attached to the ""comfort"" of the known (but shitty) condition.

>ru u me ?

>>40405882
>Phosphatidylserine (PS) and ashwagandha in the am

>thnx

>>40405900

>Ima pin 500 test-p see if the 50 can stop me f a m

>tfw told all my life that soap on face is bad for skin
>start using soap on face
>years of horrible acne gone in a month

>>40405918
Switch their test with estrogen

>>40405947
Using soap too often can dry it out. They told you not to use soap on it all the time, not to be a filthy motherfucker.

>>40405918
put a colt 45 to the back of their skull
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNtiEcT9W6M

>>40405947
tfw bought some predinosolone cream because couldnt find selenium sulfide shampoo, horrid rough red skin on face.. gone over night.. the shampoo would normally take weeks to clear up

>>40405947
if you ever visit /fa/ just do the complete opposite of what they say and you'll be golden

The only useful advice I've ever taken from there is switching to a safety razor from store-bought blades

>>40405882
I always used to tell skinnyfat fags that cortisol and stress were their problems (I know because I was one). Over thinking, over stressed, should I go low carb or low fat, should I do HST or PHAT blah blah, they all acted exactly the same. I didn't realize there was some science behind my observations aside from cortisol symptoms.

Share more?

rolling for last digit how many pilocarpine i should take

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>>40405882
keep me posted i dont actualy know shit about coritzol except that DHEA is its counter

>>40406023
>over thinking, over stressed, should I go low carb or low fat, should I do HST or PHAT blah blah

how fix, I do this shit

have never considered cortisol to be an issue t b h.

>>40405882
Peek is this just a meme like mast's hair shit or will this actually lower cortisol

>>40406074
I just went ahead and ordered both. Like 50 bucks total.

Ive long expected a cortisol issue just never realized I could treat it naturally.

>>40406107
>$50 total

nigga what this shit's like $25 on amazon

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>>40406023
>>40406072
DHEA can be A counter (mostly by means of converting to androgens which are naturally inhibitory at GCR and I suspect also regulate HPA axis feedback) but isn't the only option.

Check out the following links from like 6-7 threads ago. Thanks for asking because otherwise I wouldn't have remembered to screencap/copy them to re-use in the future before they got deleted from the archive.
>>40308539
>>40308860
>>40311848

The context of these posts was somewhat directed to a particular person's problems but it's still relevant to what you're interested in I think. One of these days I will have to do a brain dump of all the shit that I suspect chronically elevated cortisol can do in your brain. I don't actually know too much about the effects of cortisol production, regeneration, and elimination in your body, but anon had posted some really interesting links about it earlier in the thread right before this.

>>40406074
Not a meme my man. Essential part of my breakthrough before I got on this non-laughable TRT. This post (>>40311848) especially deals with how important and non-placebo I feel this was.

>>40406107
>>40406117
I use AyuPhos for the PS and some organic thing for Ashwagandha. I think for the latter you can buy versions that are standardized to some amount of the active element that binds and has antagonist action at GCR.

>>40406128
Oh forgot to mention that it's not just androgen conversion that lowers it. Beta Androstenedione (one of the DHEA metabolites) is a pretty potent hormone that results in lower cortisol. Grandpa introduced me to the idea, but I haven't researched it to the degree I have some of this other stuff so I forget sometimes.

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>>40406128
Thanks peek, just read this on the first meme site I googled, too

"having high cortisol levels can make it hard to rest. In people with normal circadian rhythms, cortisol levels rise during the early morning hours and then drop very low at night prior to sleep and during sleep. People who develop high cortisol levels can wind up feeling the opposite: wired and anxious at night, but then fatigued during the day"

been having huge amounts of trouble with this lately

What dosage of each supplement do you take daily? Just the recommended manufacturer dosage or what?

I have to order some shit anyway so I may just tack these on and give it a shot for a while.

>>40406150
isn't there some injectable that can lower cortisol? Unless I'm thinking of a steroidal agent that can raise it and mistaking it for something that doesn't exist

>>40406117
34 for one, 11 for the other, rounded up

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Month 1
Mk-677

Month 2
Mk-677 + ostarine

Month 3 and 4
Mk-677 + ECA

Month 5
Take time off

Month 6
Back to mk


Good idea or bad idea ?

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>>40406202
all over the place dude

ECA off and on 1 month at a time to keep your mental affects of the ephedra on par with the physical effects.

ostarine with ECA since you'll be eating 1 meal a day any ways

and the months off your using MK-677 so you have more time to do cardio and light weights and get them nutrient partitioning gains, to prevent any major muscle losses.

acutaly fuck that just PSMF + ECA + ostraine for 6 months and save MK-677 for when you decide on eating again and working out properly.

im spitballing but your shit doesnt make sense whats your logic behind it?

>>40403751

>22 years old
>8-10% bodyfat
>Lifting experience 3 years total first 2 were losing weight and learning how to lift and eat healthy went from 220 landwhale to 145 auschwitzmode (currently 165lbs)

I want to do this for my first cycle

>week 1-5 dbol 50mgs
>week 1-12 Test e 600mg
>week 6-12 Tren a 300mg
>week 1-14 Adex 0.25mg EOD
>week 15-18 Nolva 40/40/20/20
>week 15-18 Clomid 100/100/50/50
>Nolva on hand during cycle if sides arise
>caber and cialis also on hand

>am I missing anything?
>inb4 shouldn't run Tren for a first cycle
(I'm doing it no matter what)

Fucking christ peek now you've got me thinking I have cushings, kek

>"The newest medication for Cushing's is pasireotide (Signifor), and it works by decreasing ACTH production from a pituitary tumor. This medication is given as an injection twice daily. It's recommended if pituitary surgery is unsuccessful or cannot be done."

WELL WELL WELL NOW, this could be interesting

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>>40405882
>>40405942
>>40406074
Here's the real antidote to the self defeating bullshit

You can't rationalize this advice, because that's the problem: you rationalizing your failures. You just have to follow the advice.

Nut the fuck up and stop whining. Just go be fucking awesome.

http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2011/10/stop-being-pussy-go-fucking-feral.html?m=1
http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2012/01/go-fucking-feral-2-emails.html?m=1&zx=d9cf1db419bb9127

>But, but ANON. He uses MEAN WORDS.
>ANon!!! ANOn!!!!! He's crude!

Yeah. Because your pussy fucking mindset needs a wake-up call. Stop listening to and feeding your doubt. Just fucking do your shit already.

>I didn't stop to think about why my traps weren't hideously large- I just kept adding weight to the bar and shrugging until my shirt collar touched my fucking ears.

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>>40406299
so there is a shill

your website is shit.

>>40406270
kill yourself retard

>>40406322
You're a fat loser who jerks off to cartoons and hangs out on a steroid forum too scared to pin.

No one is shilling anything I'm trying to free people's minds from the prison they put themselves in.

>>40406352
hurrr durr let me ignore hormones entirely or any possible medical conditions hurr durr

> prison they put themselves in.

its called 4chan dumbass and where all here forever

>>40406299
I love Jamie Lewis. Too bad he's basically dead and doesn't even lift anymore

>>40406299
>>40406322
Remember that this is all in your head

Mind. Body. It's a continuum. You can't seperate the two.

https://youtu.be/6hObQsIrYKw

>>40406349
if you don't have anything nice or constructive to say THEN DON'T SAY IT

>I hope your mother gets raped by niggers while they force you to watch and then inject you in the eye with aids blood you worthless disgusting degenerate faggot

>>40405904
Lord Jesus, does it really take like 15 weeks to reach peak blood levels with test-u? That's ages.
This is going to take some planning...

>>40406396
see now thats helpful.

http://www.recordholders.org/en/records/doyle.html

>>40406299
>I just kept adding weight to the bar and shrugging until my shirt collar touched my fucking ears
>year is 2020 - 3
>taking advice from anybody who still does shrugs

K E K

>>40406397
there is nothing constructive to be said, you know why what you're doing is fucking retarded so you're gonna have to sit there and have tell people tell you you're a retard, then do it anyway and fuck yourself over

hope you remember this conversation when you're spewing black pus out of your giant gyno titties and you realize this is all on you

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>>40406299
If someone legitmately has a chemical deficiency, even if they tell themselves to 'nut the fuck up' every day, they will never reach full potential.

I was diagnosed with BPD from an early age. It was stressed in therapy that treatment is about 40% self work, 30-40% therapy of some sort, meds make up the rest.

Ive been off SSRIs for years but I still have to take a cocktail of natural sups and test to treat low test, and I work my ass off every fucking day to be the best person I can be.

This type of advice works perfectly for nervous normies. Legitmately fucked up people, whether due to years of poor conditioning, hormones, drug abuse, mental or physical abuse etc, should most definitely combine self-work with natural supps or meds if needed.

I dont need SSRIs anymore but I can sure as shit see why I did and why others might.

>>40406411
shrugs are gr8 though

>>40406411
How do you work your traps without shrugs?

I have a very hard time maintaining grip on heavy reps, and my shit shoulder sags and my left trap does more work.

I do cable face pulls twice a week and dumbell lat raises with the arm at a 90degree

Do you just do barbell pulls up or something?

>>40406420
face pulls and upright rows are where its at boii

and HEAVY DIDDLIES

>>40406421
see above

also pullups are great, and I find I get some good accessory work from rear delt flys

So just pinned tonight anyway and holy shit, night and day from Monday (literally and figuratively)

Pretty much no pain at all, took about 5x as much time slowly injecting, pulled and stretched muscle, massaged and through a heating pad on.

This heating pad is dope.

>>40406374
>Rationalizations and excuses

Here read this
http://news.wisc.edu/study-reveals-gene-expression-changes-with-meditation/

>W-what??? Mindset can change genetic and hormone patterns???

Or how about this

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2606468

>W-wait, you mean my hormone pattern can be changed by something so abstract as winning a game??? But my hormones are set entirely in stone and unchangeable unless I swallow a gelcap each day of this herb the internet told me about!

>>40406444
>insulting shrugs but doing upright rows
lmao enjoy your shoulder impingement

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>>40406451
thanks for the links but your spounting out the standard just be yourself memes.

>>40406413
bullshit you fucking nigger.
would you be saying that if I had already done 5 cycles of just test? no and the only difference is experience so that means as long as I'm careful I'll be good

>>40406411
I've seen your traps they're nothing to write home about. Really shouldn't be talking shit

Even ya boi Louie recommends shrugs.

do you guys actually not feel the constant temptation to kill yourselves

do you actually like being alive

not meming actually curious. like you dont just get sick of it every day?

>>40406270
>Im doing it no matter what


Literally if you hadnt said that you might get some constructive feedback

You are beyond retarded if at 22 your first cycle includes 3 diff AAS and fucking caber

>>40406455
use the smith machine, stand back a little further from the bar, offsets the shoulder a bit but still works the lateral delts greatly.

top tip of the day

>>40406468
never said they were impressive, but then again I never trained them in ANY way outside of diddlies until maybe two months ago? Starting to see a ton of improvement with them with the aforementioned exercises

>>40406474
....No. Get help.

>>40406474
cut out the sugar in your diet to control your mood, take an estrogen blocker of some kind, lose some fucking fat to reduce the amount of estrogen in your system.

JK most of that doesnt work what worked for me was takeing 20k IU of vitamin D3 daily, major mood improvement and better sleep.
atleast try that before you practice on your rope techniques, ive been there before it atleast helps the physical symptoms

https://www.vitamindcouncil.org/health-conditions/depression/

not the best source of knowledge but one of many

>>40406474
I tried to kill myself when I was 13 or 14. Had to spend some time in a psych ward, then over a year in a rehab/therapy boarding school for drugs and depression.

The main thing I learned was how insular your worldview gets when youre depressed. You forget how shit the world really is because you just see it as shit through your own eyes. You become extremely selfish.

When I think about the pain I had to put my parents and friends through...it makes me more sad than thinking about dying.

So I get up every day and work hard because I want to see how far I can take my life and how much I can succeed. I look forward to improvement. Sometimes I think 'well, if this doesnt workout, I can always just let go..." but then I just make a new challenge, and a new one, and Im always pushing myself farther, finding new objectives and challenges that I enjoy chasing.

>>40406414
>B-but I had REAL issues!
Rationalizations and excuses. Keep wallowing in them, be my guest.

Teddy Roosevelt grew up sickly and asthmatic. But he nutted the fuck up and ended up doing amazing shit. Here's a small excerpt

>He bought two ranches and a thousand head of cattle. He flourished in the hardships of the western frontier, riding for days, hunting grizzly bears, herding cows as a rancher, and chasing outlaws as a frontier sheriff.

>>40406481
then why bother responding? either help me improve the stack or fuck off

let me guess you're one of those people that waited until you were 30 to start using and think no one should use steroids unless they have 10 years lifting experience

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>>40406526
yeah but he died like all faggots do, old and senile, shittng in the bed.

>>40406464
You don't know if going to react badly to any of those compounds and if you do it may not be obvious which one.

If someone wants to learn to ride a motorbike they don't start on a superbike, they start on a postie bike. This is your body and you only get one.

>>40406464
>going to be fucking around with AI dosage for the first 5 weeks due to dbol and testosterone tapering up, then removing the dbol
>introduce tren 6th week
>don't know what's from estro and what's from prolactin
>oh no I am a fucking retard

>>40406463
No, I'm telling you to stop making fucking excuses for yourself and covering your mind in the feces that is rationalized doubt.

If you're ugly, so fucking what. Try harder, then.

>>40406526
I was making a pretty rational point you pretentious cunt. Get the fuck off your high horse. I put myself through school, have a career, plenty of cash, a great circle of friends and relationship with my GF

Teddy Roosevelt was one of my fucking idols. You know what else he did when he was a kid? Hang out with the wealthiest and most succesful doctors and industrialists of his day. He was fucking bread for greatness like the rest of his family. I love Teddy. Ive read his travels, and hes an inspiration to me.

And no point did I say I was wallowing or making excuses. My point is valid you fucking moron. Some people need chems and supps along with hard work.

>hurr ddurrrrr just man up

Damn youre such a tough guy dude. You know Teddy also developed a drinking problem for awhile and almost died from sickness in latin america? BUt he shouldve just manned up through that right?

Why dont you just take out image ads standing next to a rented lambo with a fake tan and sunglasses saying "I JUST MANNED UP YA PUSSIESSSS GRAB LYFE BY THE TESTIES NO HOMO!"

Fuck youre ignorant. Youre so up your own ass you dont even discuss things or read through other posts, just feel like swining your dick around because your on an anonymous imageboard.

So if youre so advanced, what does it say about you that you only feel superior saying this broscience shit anonymously?

>>40406553
when people tell you to kill yourself then maybe just maybe you need to rethink your entire logic behind why your grand idea is so fucking good that only a few things need to be changed. instead of say the whole thing, which is far easier to summarize by saying KYS because you could probably go back to the drawing board. with it or point out what your unsure of your own plan to begin with

>>40406526
Oh and also so you know he started an entirely illegitimate war because he was so crippled by his insecurities growing up weak that he felt the need to have a 'grand old war' like his predecessors.

Just wanted to add that cause Idk if that was in the wiki you read you fucking massive cunt.

>>40406474
It comes and goes.

Still trying to fully understand the pattern. Part of it is negative self talk, part of it is unhealthy habits.

Check this post
>>40406299

Don't take it just at face value. Look underneath the words to find what is really being said.

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No fap is a meme If you have sex on a weekly basis

EVERYTIME
5 PUMPS THEN POP

>>40406265

Use ostarine to keep gains while I cut, then go on Eca to continue my cut. Stick to mk the whole time to help aid my recovery.

>>40406607
>micropenis AND premature ejaculation
you really have nothing going for you

>>40406485
So you're talking shit... But literally never done them?

The fuck is wrong with you. You like to see your words that much that you just spew the first dribble of shit that pops in your head?

>>40406572
im not even doubting your logic and arguments but you treating this far to black and white my friend.

provide me something that can help me towards my goals like routines and training materials, or education sites, rather than just do better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUSz0ZRdEHE&t=28s

heres a better example of what im talking about.

yeah just get over it is great but why not learn harder. just saying be better and tougher isnt enough and it makes you sound like a brain dead normie

>>40406617
Hes being pretty transparent. Idk why the hell youre getting so pissed off. Its not like he said dont do shrugs, he just did a shitty meme.

>>40406601
That sounds like even more of a reason to grow the fuck up tbH

If you're whiny and insecure bad things happen apparently. Huh

>>40406616
Pretty cash bro

>not creaming the vagoo 3x in 15min

>>40406637
>Uses Teddy as an example for how to man up because hes such a man
>Receives counter point as to why thats not entirely valid
>well sheiitt dog more reason to not be a pussi pussi boi

Please take your GED and powerpoint presentation on self-help and go back to the used car dealership, I feel like some middle aged dude in a mid-life crisis could use your C-grade peptalk to grab a Miatta.

>>40406626
I'm not really as pissed as the writing makes it seem but there's definitely enough misinformation bullshit spread around that it deserves being called out and shamed on sight.

I honestly feel we'll all be better for it.

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>>40406626
what the fuck is this chinamoot

>>40406612
now that you explained it, i realized im only thinking of suicide cutting.

yeah im not qualified. id just re ask and explain your reasoning with it.

doesnt seem like a horrible idea since your basicly switching cutting methods. idk im not qualifed enough for this.

my the dead seas grain of salt kinda of advice

>>40406669
What is chinamoot?

Im the anonfag on his first cycle that posts a bunch

I used to /fit/post a fuckton when I worked at a gym in college so Ive had a pass on and off for a few years.

>>40406657
>My entire point is stop rationalizing yoyr limitations and wallowing in percieved weakness
>Gave a short example of a man who did that

But that man also did bad things.... Because of the fact he wallowed in percieved weaknesses.

How hard is it to understand?

Wanna know how I can tell you're never gonna accomplish anything noteworthy?

This thread is comedy

>>40406682
>Wanna know how I can tell you're never gonna accomplish anything noteworthy?

t. im already a failure at life but let me tell you how to live yours like a movie star, qoute

can you be any more 2D ?

>>40406569
well should I up my adex and run it everyday? what would you recommend i take for the prolactin sides?

>>40406682
No youre just absolutely shit at having a discussion or argument. You are literally too stupid to see when A is being attacked by counter A, so you just throw in a B or C argument or example because you think after a few self help tapes and a couple PBS teddy specials you know more than everyone else.

You sound like those shitty marketing companies that employ dumbass business majors year one out of college.

You attacked a reasonable post about: Sometimes people need supplements along with self help

ANd your response was:
No youre a failure and making excuses nobody needs anything other than self help

And every counter point made since then you have evaded or responded by minimizing. These are trademark signs of someone who cant rationally debate or discuss with someone.

I can promise you dont work in an industry that requires an advanced degree. Id be shocked if you have a BA.

Nothing was ever rationalized. You came to this thread with an idea in your head and then, once you spewed it out, you refused to adapt it or describe it when challenged at all. And you still wont, because your brain cant do anything other than offer a smug 4 sentence retort that you pulled from a subscription to a self help blog.

>>40406625
It's antidote to rationalized doubt.

If you let things become nuanced, indecision creeps in. They call it paralysis by analysis for a reason.

Reading blogposts like that help you achieve a thought pattern suited to breaking down percieved barriers. Of course if you just take it at face value you won't get much out of it. You gotta dig deep as with anything.

https://youtu.be/sYtgdn95aLU
Here's inspirational lifting video

>>40406721
that question is why you're a retard

if you're gonna be dead set on running tren for your first cycle then you can deal with it all by yourself like a big boy because clearly you know what you're doing :-)

>>40406675
Ty gpawwww

>>40406596
I'm not unsure I just wanted to know if I should add anything or up or lower the sides but apparently everyone here is either to lazy or to much of an asshat to voice any constructive advice

>>40406731
>You're not following these rules I decided on so you're dumb
K

>>40406705
Projection

>>40406756
Oh for fucks sake THATS EXACTLY HOW DISCUSSIONS ARE STRUCTURED

Thats fucking pre law 101. The first god damn thing you learn.

And you just proved my point. You cant rationally argue or challenge anything directly, you wont admit that some people need supps with self help, you cant do anything other than parrot the one thing you read that makes you fuzzy inside because it would create cognitive dissonance that youre fragile mind cant take.

>>40406765
>>40406756
And you know how I know youll never accomplish anything of note? Youre entire worldview can be summed by things you link to. You cant back anything up in your own words because you have none. Youre just a parrot spitting out what youve heard. Pathetic.

>>40406752
its so much easier to say consider sucide than it is to fix the entire system.

remember the french revolution as i say that.

but your responses deserve the hate you get and so did your post.

(I'm doing it no matter what)
this is troll tier shit buddy. lurk more atleast before asking.
>>40406744
good luck on your cut go for PSMF for diet, idk about the rest though

>>40406742
see clearly you have no idea what you are talking about because you have nothing constructive to say

>>40406771
>Put effort into arguing with someone erecting strawmen and trying to demonstrate social superiority as an anon on 4chan
I'd be a moron to try and discuss anything with you.

>>40406736
well thought out my friend i just prefer my waifu play into it, but i def see what your getting at and how that would further explain it.

>>40406780
Please don't run tren for your first anything.

>>40406780
I already outlined the issues you're gonna face, it's not my fault you don't understand. enjoy your mixture of prolactin and gyno titties shooting out questionable fluids.

>>40406804
prolactin and estro gyno titties*

>>40406803
because waiting until my second cycle somehow changes everything and makes it all okay

>>40406791
There wasnt a strawman in there. You already are a moron. And now youre trying to use my own comment about you trying to demonstrate what a baddie you are on me.

Enjoy your delusional lil hugbox of a life. You havent tried to discuss anything with anyone, just a puppet regurgitating things better people than you described.

>im just too smart thats why I cant respond with well thought out examples, descriptions, evidence, or counter arguments

Kudos my man you are quite the intellectual

>>40406815
you mean free gomad and a boob job

hell fucking yeah sign me up

>>40406824
>Literally this mad
You should take some more SSRIs bud. You seem a bit off balance :)

>>40406804
well I'll be running an ai with nolva on hand if you think I should add something else tell me if you don't know than don't say anything I mean i don't understand what's so hard about that.

>>40406822
I mean honestly kind of. Tren is pretty indiscriminate in how rapidly it changes my headspace. It's not a fun drug and not really something you test the waters with.

It's a contest prep drug. If you want efficient mass building, there's testosterone. Seriously test is legitimately king when it comes to most needs.

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>>40406852
nolva isnt what you use vs prolactin

>>40406869
test is bogus
tren makes you as alpha as fuark

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>>40405836
>>40405904
Is this too much fluctuation?

>>40406869
well can't I just stop using Tren an just finish off the cycle with just the test if I can't deal with the sides?

I mean that's my thought process at least if I start using it and I like it than continue but if I start getting bad sides I can always stop using it and just continue with only the test

>>40406884
well why don't you then recommend something for the prolactin?

>>40406936
you need to realize we aren't here to help your retardation. you're making a bad choice, deal with it.

>>40406936
Sure if you want to, but as an experienced user I can tell you unless you need to look pretty for something that you should be getting paid for, there's zero reason to use tren.

>>40406952
not everyone is as mentally unhinged as you are bimbo

the issue at hand here isn't even mental sides, it's that he has no idea what he's doing, how he aromatizes and he's fucking around with 3 compounds at the same time for his first cycle

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>>40406936
b6

>>40406975
tren is the devil
I wish I could justify running it right now

>>40406975
Tren blasts make you unhinged brah

>>40406944
fuck off nigger

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>>40407038
>I wish I could justify running it right now
Here you go. Use a tanning bed, run some tren, go to nippon

>>40406952
thank you ill do more research on tren sides
>>40407038
thanks I'll look into that

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>>40407082
no I'm to fat for an a v e r a g e gf

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>>40404102
Keep it up, but like anon said try not to check her blog. Idk you're situation but my last relationship was so toxic and addictive that I seriously needed to move to break it off. The sex was so unbelievable that I couldn't stop myself. Overall it was awful for me though. I like you bimbo I want to see you be happy.

>>40406822
I've almost killed three people while on tren, still dealing with legal shit now for one of them.

Remember kids, no matter what the situation is don't strangle someone. It's a second degree felony :)

>>40406270
KYS

>>40406284
>How do I stop overanalyzing everything?
>proceeds to diagnose himself with diseases

Lmao c'mon bro

>>40406421
>what are deadlifts
>what is OHP

>>40406568
He's a fucking idiot let him die

If he survives his YOLO blast he'll be one of those faggots 2 years from now saying that roids aren't worth it because he lost all his gains when he came off

>>40406607
Correct

>>40406681
Namefag if you want. Normal 4chan tripfag taboo rules don't apply here

>>40406687
Yes

Not even going to bother reading the rest of these posts lol

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>>40407237
Also met a guy today at my restaurant who put me on to a good yoga studio near my place that isn't too expensive.

Should hear back from yesterday's job interviews tomorrow or the next day.

2017 YEAR OF KAHUNA
Is happening in front of your very eyes. I thought about buying dope today but just went and put my money in the BTC atm instead.

NEXT WEEK 50/50 ADROL/DBOL
2017 YEAR OF ORALS
2017 YEAR OF TUDCA

>>40407248
It's just really annoying because this kind of guy gives roids a bad name.
There are risks and I just can't understand why this guy is so keen to axe himself for the sake of 20lbs that, like you said, will disappear.

>>40407038
>>40407038
why not just add 100mg tren then, shouldnt get sides for the extra bump

200mg NPP a good dose to go with test? I havent used nandrolone before.

>>40403751
Natty here. Can one of you tell me how my test levels are? I was told I wasn't low test, but I'm interested to see where I rate compared to other natties.

19yo male at around 17% bodyfat, by the way.

>Total test
21.5 nmol/L
>SHBG
40 nmol/L
>Calculated free test
416 pmol/L

>>40407361
>>40407248
KYS

it's asshat like you who ruin roids
>omg you gotta do a cycle of just test first because that magically unlocks the door and makes it okay to use Tren! if you disagree you're an idiot cuz I said so and you'll lose all your gains cuz I said so and you'll never make it all because you didn't follow my made up rules! waaa I strangled a guy cuz I have no self control so that means everyone is as deal minded as me waaa.

seriously if you don't have any help to offer fuck off

>inb4 little bitch add faggots cry and bitch instead of being helpful

Fucking pussy bois scared of tren

>>40407677
>>40407685

Hey man maybe the website youre looking for is google.com for your incredibly simple questions that are just wasting everyone's time!

If youre so set on tren then just go do it :)

Have a nice day!

>>40407735
no one had to reply but I'm in a thread about steroids and did what everyone else did, asked a fucking question. but you and the other little bitches decided that instead of helping you would bitch and moan like a little cunt no one made you RESPOND but you chose to waste not only my time but yours as well when you could have spent that time either ignoring my post OR ACTUALLY GIVING CONSTRUCTIVE FUCKING FEEDBACK

>>40407782
Ok friend, cya! :-)

>>40407677
You should only introduce one new compound at a time, and for a first timer that's normally gonna be test. You don't want to inject tren on its own desu.

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>>40406169
Pre-TRT I was taking 500mg of 60% PS (i.e., 2 caps AyuPhos) in the am along with 1.2g powdered ashwagandha (3 caps of Organic India). I really think the PS is what did the trick and gave me that breakthrough since I had been taking the ashwagandha for a few weeks before to no avail. Now I'm down to 1 cap/day AyuPhos and still feel great because I have androgen levels higher than those of a geriatric now so I'm getting some of that sweet GCR inhibition and possible HPA axis control.

There are some PS supps that appear to be 100% (i.e. pure isolate of the compound) that I might try out once this brand new bottle I ordered runs out in 2 months. Just read the reviews man. This stuff is no placebo if you have legit high C. I had my levels tested before and after and I went from the top of the range to smack in the middle (on the high dose, which actually went up to 3 caps/day for a about a week before the test just because of how fucking psyched I was to have relief from what I KNEW was an unnatural and unhealthy hormonal milieu in/for my mind).

>>40407792
k

>>40408024
bye

>>40406270
You definitely need to up tren a little go for at least 400mg to expect any sorts of gains from it. Better yet just run 600test600tren, you'll look like a god.

>>40408171
Later.

I'm an eighteen year old who used 4000iu of HCG over 2 weeks

What's the likelihood I've stunted my growth and ruined my life, lads?

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>>40408186

the trenbolona acatato sex appeal lol....

the resason you are all looked at by the 19 year old whores and the 38 year old milfs...is because you get cut dry refined and defined on trenbolona ace lol not perfumes and no balonie,, you have the illusion of small head as in small face...as in face get leaaaan really lean not half way lean lol no 10 % lean but 6% lean! sudenly you see you actualy got! a neck! and sudenly you look like your face dont belong on this body ...since body is so lean and defnied and refined and tight and cut and hard and later on very dry .... that.... the body looks too big for the head/face....not if you look closely its not the case ...the head is still in proportion to body but! the ILLLLLLUSION IS IN FULL FORCE..

and what happen when you walk in walmart with cut defnied 6% dry bodyfat with thickness of the muscle from within? what happen when the whore who approach you on the meat ile...or cereal ile...what happens when she look to your face and see that its not chubb chubb fatzo but she actualy see the features very well....you actualy have eyes that are not puffed up...and you have the bones of the face and jaw more enhanced...and you have the water distrbution change that happen when you get to true 6% ....what happen then to this whore? i will tel you nwo pupils what happen ... what happen is this

she think! you were born like a greek god ! she see something diff...she think in terms of MAGAZINE ....she see the pictures all her girlfriedn whores want to be with infront of her damn whorish eyes! thats! what hapen and this! is why you get those looks and one sentence will most likly end you with her pussy sliding on your cock in reverse a week later

>>40408206
low tbqh

>>40403401
>Bear in mind that I know very little about breasts
:^)

>>40408221
W-what if it was actually more like 8000iu? I misremembered

>>40408206
wtf why? just randomly?

and i am somehow still growing after having such high e2 that i grew tits on dbol and used nolvadex to get rid of it (lol) so all this shit is just a meme

>>40408299
That's actually really encouraging, thank you.

will clomid help me build muscle? my T levels are 289 ng/dl now. i am taking clomid 50 mg / EOD
clomid reduces IGF-1 and HGH slightly but will put my T levels around 700~ in 2-3 weeks.
i don't want to hop on T because once you get on that train the ride never ends. i might do that later when i got a stable job and income to afford T :D clomid is basically free
regards

>>40408435
Yes it will help, Clomid shouldn't be taken indefinitely though. It can cause osteoporosis and such on long term

>>40408299
Out of curiosity what AI and dosage were you running when you got gyno?

Lads im thinking of swapping from brosplits to a 3.5x weekly full body.

Was thinking of doing it dorian style where you just exhaust the shit out of one body part within 10 minutes and hop on the next (arm shoulder chest back. No legs, femboys need petite legs). Just do abshit and barbel glute humps on rest days.

On a cut. If on recomp id go 15 mins per part to extra failure.

how long will my muscle be sore after I pinned for the first time ever?

>>40408932
if its longer than 72 hours go see a doctor

>>40406387

Why is he basically dead and doesn't lift anymorr?

>>40408171

>>40409285
.

im on trt but at the end of my shots i feel myself turning weak and bitter for some reason. the energy and no fucks given attitude goes away is this normal?

>>40409297
ahuh, trt sucks because the injections are too infrequent

you already knew the answer to this question, just self medicate already

>>40409306
im poor and young i cant afford now and trt is all I can be on, its this or low T so I have be on this shitty protocol of the only doctor that even wanted to start me on it. also the hunger is fucking me up, the first weeks my appetite is huge then it slowly dies off.

>>40409314
get a job

Anybody ever take Viagra (sildenafil citrate) before working out?

What can it be safely used with? Caffeine? EC stack?

>>40409477
why would you want a boner while lifting thats retarded

its safe to use with your stimemes

>>40409585
>doesn't know why people use cialis/viagra before lifting
>doesn't know HOW cialis and viagra work
>thinks he's qualified to give advice
wooooo I love /fraud/

>>40409777
just use other vascodilators like a normal person

My heart is beating rly hard, wtf anyone get this?

Taking 250mg test e, adex, ec stack (very low doses, like 4mg per day)

>>40409880
do your cardio retard

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achievable natty?
or what would i need to run?

>>40409894
I do cardio everyday m8

40 mins liss on the treadmill

Gonna check my BP today

Usually happens after a big meal

>>40409903
This is b8

>>40409913
im serious

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>>40407945
Thanks. I ordered some of the following

>Every serving of 2 capsules delivers 500MG of Phosphatidylserine, Plus an additional 500MG of Gingko, Gotu Kola, Rosemary, and DMAE. Studies indicate that Phosphatidylserine with DMAE powder is the most effective combination.

So I'll let you know if it seems to make any difference for me. Will have to look into getting my cortisol checked as well next time I get bloods. Might just do a full panel for everything for once at the end of this blast/transitioning down to a cruise.

DNP in Europe. How, where, how much?

>>40409957
no sourcing

kill yourself fatty

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>>40409777
Do it. I use it everyday.

>>40409903
His dick looks really small so he must be natty because we're all slanging 10x8s over here on the dark side.

>>40409980
Not looking to use and not fat.

>>40408213
>and sudenly you look like your face dont belong on this body

>>40403939
Millennial smashed avo

>>40409989
that comment confused me, i wasn't talking dick goals

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>>40409314
>too poor for trt
1 vial lasts like 30 weeks...assuming youre way overpaying thats still nothing
Like skip the soda next time you go out
Bam, roids funded
Smh

>>40410119
Yeah I just woke up so ignore that. But yeah it's achievable natty, dude looks small.

>>40409314
how old are you?
how did low T get diagnosed?
what were the symptoms?

I've been lifting a year and at 1/2/3/4, but it feels like progress has stagnated completely so I want to start frauding. However I'm only 19 and worried I'll fuck my shit up, in terms of stunting NY height and fucking my natty test up.
You guys probably get a ton of people like me, so what's the general advice?

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>cutting because fat
>start TRT because low test
>weight stops going down despite diet not changing
>strength starts rising quickly and easily
>lifting belt and pants both still getting looser
>hungry more often
What did my body mean by this? Is this normal? It's been like this for a couple of weeks.
Not that I'm complaining... It's just weird. I've never experienced fat loss without also losing a bunch of weight, muscle, and strength.

>>40410622
don't :)

going to a narcotics anonymous meeting tonight as a completely sober person who's never done drugs (other than roids, lol) following the conversation that happened a couple of days ago just to pick up alt chicks

what's wrong with me

also what are the odds I actually become a drug addict from associating with these people

>>40410670
(((magic)))

>>40410716
So it would seem. I have to reevaluate my weight goal, though, if this is how it's going to be. Hopefully the pounds start dropping again soon.
Also, my sex drive is coming back. I was excited until I remembered that I'm single.

>>40410778
dont overthink this, continue as you were and reevaluate later. depending on how long ago you started this might just be your body adjusting.

>single
imfuckingplying you need gf to fuck

>>40410876

>dont overthink this, continue as you were and reevaluate later. depending on how long ago you started this might just be your body adjusting.
I think that's the case, yes. It's just new and strange. Like puberty feelings all over again.
All I need now is for hairs to start growing in new places kek.

>imfuckingplying you need gf to fuck
Imfuckingplying I want to fuck random sluts. They're not worth the time.
Relationship sex is better.

>>40410936
well of course, never said anything about quality just availability lel

good luck for whatever goals you may have though. the first bit of trt is the fucking bees knees especially if you have been severely low t before

Anyone here ever go to bars alone to meet girls?

I need to get this high-Test nut off and my friends are all shit wingman.

>>40411122
I hunt alone. When i go with friends i just end up getting wasted and hardly notice the chicks.

>>40411122
Nah man bring their group - 2
I tell my friends not to wingman and it works out lol

>>40411208
>>40411219
This will be my first time picking up a girl from a non-house party or college.

Any tips?

>>40410270
no source and im from eastern europe where its illegal, i could save money yes and i probably will when the protocol becomes too bad
>>40410308
i was 20
blood test
everything that is associated with low t

>>40411117
Thanks, homie. I'm mostly aiming for
>muh strength
, so I'll probably start on TRT doses for some time.

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Just turned 20, intermediate level lifter.

Can I roid already please?

>>40411429
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUSyl2KukZk

ofc you can no reason not to at this point.

>>40411466
What if I'm not completely done with puberty yet?

>>40411498
then shoot up growth hormone for dem height gains until your done with it.

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>>40407671
620 ng/dl total test
12 ng/dl free test

You are not low test by any stretch of the imagination. Congrats!

>>40409945
Yeah I've seen that brand before. If you read the ingredients you'll see that the 500mg is actually just 20% actual PS. So you have to take 6 pills to get the same amount of PS as you would in 2 pills of AyuPhos (which would be 500mg of 60% PS). But yeah, just adjust accordingly and you should see some nice results if you're indeed high C.

>>40411498
are you 12 years old

>>40411709
Male puberty can last into your mid twenties, not usually though.

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> tfw just did your first ever pin
kept freaking out that i would break off that 25g in my ass. i like how the oil makes the pin go super slow. really gives you time to examine your life choices.

lay it on me bros, am i going to feel anything at all for the first 6 weeks of this shit? TestE.

>>40405178
>>40405228
hahah.. seriously? if you are really that paranoid, just put it in an envelope and put a stamp on it and address, seal it etc. that way it is "mail" and they cant open it without a warrant. or something. but dude, its literally fucking paper. just dont keep it wrapped in tin foil.

>>40411850
easily more alpha within the first week. some quicker than others.

better gains and quality of life after your half way through your cycle.

>>40411890
so you do have some mental gains right away? i've read that is mostly placebo (although hey, i'll take it either way).

yeah i know i gotta wait a long ass time to actually get some gains. just glad i *know* that, otherwise it would be hard to keep up the motivation to keep pinning.

>>40411850
I got crazy boners already a few days after my first pin, gains start at like week 4-5.

Former fraud/. They were the best thing I ever could have done. Got enough balls to date wifey Asian. Then moved states got kick ass job where I've stacked 60k in a safe.

But along the way I have lost my ways of working out and got fat. Debating on liposuction but probably going to EC stack first.

Miss you guys

Some oc

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>>40411930
Oh yeah placebo mental gains start almost straight away, I just felt like I could kick anyone's ass and very confident in social situations though I know it was probably just bullshit placebo still..

>>40411930
even if its mostly placebo for a majority. its still undeniable that your getting extra test as soon as you inject. in regards to shutdown takes time in and of itself.

but there's math for that may or may not apply to your cycle. most people take orals to kick start there cycle because of that fact and since there day one full effecting instead of slowly building up in your system.

>>40411952
maybe it's the fact that you just took that crucial first step. that you are now way more dedicated to bodybuilding than all the nattyfags out there. it definitely causes a change in your overall attitude. like killing a man.

>>40411958
yeah i looked into orals but since i'm an old exalcoholic dude i'm more concerned with lipids and liver than you guys in your 20s. wanted to keep it simple for the first cycle.
> but after that first pin i'm like FUCK IF I HAD DBOL I WOULD EAT THAT SHIT RIGHT NOW

>>40412007
take TUDCA and NAC for a couple months then hop on it.

atleast your liver damage is reversible for the most part.

>>40409945
I'll start out with 3 pills or about 250mg a day and see if that helps and adjust as necessary. Is AyuPhos the name of the brand you used? Will look into it if I end up getting more in the future.

>>40411122
Literally all the time

All my friends are bartenders mostly so I'm always out alone on weekends.

>>40411850
Nothing for a while. Maybe happy, maybe boners.

By week 3-4 you'll be jacking off in parking lots and fucking exhaust pipes.

Week 5-6 you'll notice significant vascularity and strength gains.

Week 7-8 you'll notice the mass gains.

Week 9+ everyone else will notice the mass gains.

I'm competing in a competion in June and wanting to hop on my first cycle. I know tren is a popular pre-contest favorite, but this being my first cycle, I really don't want to jump off the deep end.

Test-E 500/mg 15 weeks
Anadrol 50/mg last 6 weeks

Does this look alright?

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>>40412146
have anadorl be your first 6 weeks so you can properly deal with the water gains from the extra estrogen other than that dont bother with tren until you've completed your competion so you know what your getting into while you compare yourself to others on the stage.

>get memed into BFR
>nobody told me you should only do it as a finisher with low load and single joint exercises
>did a whole 3 hour fullbody session

Fuckin hell I might have ruined something irreversibly but dat ubermensch pump tho

>>40412176
But I want to go out with a bang and look my best. I know Tren is toxic as fuck. What if I do my last 5 weeks of tren and skip anadrol.

>>40412210
how about no

pop some winny at the end and look into diuretics if you must but just yoloing tren like that is a one way ticket to going on stage feeling and looking like dog spit

>>40412205
gj glad to hear you at least didnt explode kek

bfr generally is interesting though, yeah

>>40412210
> with a bang and look my best.

if your good at playing with your AI's and SERM's then go right ahead

>Tren is toxic as fuck
orally yes injectably not so much.

safer to save it til after your first cycle you retard.

I'm about to run 2 forms of test on the same cycle. Obviously there will be a lot of estrogen conversion.

What dose should I run my aromatase inhibitor at? I have letrozole.

How much DNP could I safely run for 3 weeks? As in, in terms of toxicity and its accumulation in the body? Sides-wise I could see myself doing 1g lol but I never did more than 350mg because I am kind of a pussy regarding the buildup of awful shit most seem not to be concerned about. Not keen on going blind or, well, dying, but I still need to lose bf% stat. Not even fatass, but fuck PSMF and EC for the timeframe I am planning for.

>>40412269
first of all you didn't even mention the dosage of the test which is the most important part

and secondly, unanswerable question. entirely dependent on your genetics, bodyfat, etc. you will have to fuck around with it.

>>40412289
3 weeks is pushing it desu, you might actually develop PN and have to stop by that time.

500mg for as long as you don't develop PN is easily handled and safe though

>>40412311
That is exactly what I worry about. I need every last day I can get out of it because I really am a vain faggot but I worry every day if the next will have me wake up with PN if that makes any sense.