/FRAUD/

>>40305438
Yeah that is why I got so smug when you started talking about Dr. Pepper. If soda could make people break their 1rm by 25lbs it would be illegal lol

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>>40305543
you got me i memed a favorite drink of mine

i have truly been called out on my shit lol.

I'm wanting to add something to the last two thirds of my 12 week 500mg test e cycle. I was thinking dbol/winny but my source is ripping me off ($650 aud for 2000mg dbol and 1000mg winny)

Any other thoughts? I'm also thinking about upping the dose of test-e to maybe 650-750mg pw

>>40305543
any how if you do use it take TUCDA & NAC for liver support

dont know the dosages for cheq but expect sdrol amounts or higher pre and post workout.

Just fuck me up /fraud/.

Just got my Test results back. Barely a few points above the absolute bottom of the Reference.

I started lifting when I was 15. I'm 25. I just bought the gear for my first cycle because I was wondering how my friends, when given my diet and program, were making such faster progress.

Turns out I have the Test of a 45 y/o man.
Makes me wonder if that's what caused so much of my depression and lethargy over the years. How many tens of thousands of hours I've nearly wasted at the gym.

I was gonna wait to drop a couple more pounds of fat but FUCK THIS. Monday I hope on my cycle and Im adding orals. Fuck you body. Fuck your pussy-ass hormones.

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Opinions on my routine? I want big chest and traps

>>40305631
Just cruise for the rest of your life. See if you can get it prescribed, if it's as low as you say it is it shouldn't be hard. Then you can get pharma grade test too :)

I would personally never fuck around with cheque drops because I don't trust myself with the supposed rage that comes with it, but using it a couple times over the course of months definitely won't kill you or destroy your liver

if you're more focused on the pre-workout aspect though, there's a bunch of suspension shit you can inject, test no ester, tren no ester, etc. also orals.

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>>40305631
Forgot to add a pick that perfectly describes me.

>>40305643
This is what Im doing. How soon after I start doing IM will high test pop up in a panel? Because I dont want to delay any longer and my Endo appt is for after my first or second inject.

Im never looking back. Im devastated when I think of the girls in college I had oddly low libido with, the ludicrous amount of supps and hours at the gym.... Never again. Time to ascend.

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>>40305631
>Turns out I have the Test of a 45 y/o man
That's not even that low though. On average 150ng/dL less than a teen in its prime.

>>40305661
Hold off until after the endo
Theyll do 2 or 3 rounds of draws too
Honestly you wont get trt, skip the endo and self prescribe

>>40305661
Depends what ester you're using. Honestly I would just wait a couple more weeks. If this is a lifetime thing, then it's worth waiting a little bit longer

>>40305611
>650 AUD
Jesus Christ m8

any oral will be a decent addition but those are pretty much the most common and cheapest orals available so I don't think you'll get much better deals on anything else. maybe consider finding a new source m8

increasing the dose can work, unless you're already on the tail end of it as it'll take time for test E to peak again (steroidcalc.com it). test prop would work it you're already there.

or tne.

>>40305631
I recommend just starting on a cruise dose and lose the fat first. if you're truly low test, you should be planning to cruise for the rest of your life anyway

>>40305676
no reason to not cycle at that point, even trans dermal dhea would only take you so far. unless where mega dosing 1 gram daily and applying in locations of the neck and chest. then theres the estro with that and dim and d glucarate that has to be mixed in. and its daily dosing so fuck that

just pin and follow your dreams to get big.

>>40305676
Wtf....if I'm going by that....I only have 356 Total

10 Free...

>>40305686
Thanks Jerry. I really dont wanna hold off and at my age, and not being an elite athlete, I doubt theyll give me shit and if they do itll be low. My dads on TRT and he gets 125 a week.

>>40305696
Enanthate, hence why I think it would take a couple weeks.

>>40305701
If I do this (I have Var too) Should I go 200/wk for like 4 weeks, add the var week 1, and then up to 500 for 12 wks? Asin and Nolva at hand and plenty of each

>>40305710
My levels were near yours, i couldnt get test, the older the more liberal they are with prescriptions
When the test raises yours they really wont give you anything
Just do your dads dose lol

>>40305579

>>40305709
>>40305752

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>>40305738
Idk if I should even hit the gym until Monday. May as well just do cardio every day and drop some fat if my muscle gain is so shit.

As much as that low dose makes sense, idk if I can abide using as much as a 66 year old man...
Ill prolly do 200-250 for 4wks then jump to 500. Was gonna do Var the last 6 weeks but shit seems like I need all the help I can get so probably start it monday.

Sure as fuck getting Tren for my next cycle.

MY RAGE KNOWS NO BOUNDS

>>40305769
that made me kek showing me more insane austims i assumed.

hows your cycle going ?

>>40305794

Oh I'm still natty.

I'm gonna at least do one cut/bulk cycle before I pin, I mean, come on.

I think even cat piss did so you can see from his before pic there is some muscle and some fat on his body

>>40305815
that sounds like a good decision get that BF% low before pinning because of test conversion to estro but you probably know that so good luck on your prep work before pining.

>>40305828
Punctuation is important

>>40305833
,

this is my biggest weakness in sounding legitimate

also gonna stop worrying about total volume and gonna start hitting to failure then pyramiding down with all my lifting. hopefully saves time and builds a better endurance.

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Y'all ever notice how Asian girls spill their spaghetti over muscular guys way more easily than white girls?

It's like fish in a barrel living in an area with a fuckton of Asian girls.

>>40305622
Will read more about the matter yeah.

Or just start using Halo again, I personally kinda hate it but it does what it needs to do, and it does it well.

>>40305543
w2c superhuman soda tho

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>>40305499

Idk I was thinking maybe glads would like this, I dunno, I dunno, I dunno.

>tfw you see the cutest girl from your gym having lunch with her completely dyel, not ugly but not above 7 either and under 5'8 bf
It really makes me ponder hard if its really worh it to lower my life expectancy with questionable drugs just to look better
but then i started pondering why i would want to live life longer for
what a sad day it has been

>>40306134
would you trade his spot from an ugly face and good body to a pretty face and good body like myself?

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>>40306134
What thread did she post that shit in or is that some oc?

>>40306134
>that guy who doesn't realize he's about to get doxxed

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>>40305793
Yeah blast hard, get those gains

>>40305955
W2c a v e r a g e gf

>>40306199

>implying I haven't been doxed

>>40306168

what?

>>40306190

Oc, check the cbt lol

>>40306219
you haven't though

believe me, once your address and full name gets out, you won't want to ever post on 4chan with your name ever again

>>40306236

it's out

>muh super secret hacker army

oh no, order pizzas

bimbo posted that pic with exif data no one did nothing

im sure they got his dox too considering people even met him irl

>>40306278
>comparing yourself, the guy who has been shitting all over /fit/ for 6 months to bimbo
lol

it's not out. believe me, once it is, you'll regret it. you have no idea how annoying people can get from thousands of miles away.

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>>40306278
thats why you should always use snip it on your images

>>40306278
>no one did nothing
you do realize that people sent his family shit on facebook, right? just like they did with slut?

>>40306347
oh yeah that's true, there was the sven autism, sending his gay pics to his mom and the rest of his family

pretty tame tho

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>>40306212
>W2c a v e r a g e gf
Any lotteplaza senpai. Luckily there's one like 2 blocks from my place. Literally 30% Asian population here.

Where did yolo go

I miss him

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>>40306347
Slut never did anything mean though he seemed like a nice dude.

>>40306395
already pretty horrid for some, mildly chuckleworthy for others. not the worst people have done on this site. not that I condone it, but just saying, that was not that bad (for anybody but his mum) in comparison, yeah

http://www.instructables.com/id/Mealworm-Flour/?ALLSTEPS

who else is whatever it takes mode on food ?

What program do you guys run on a blast? I like high volume PPLPPL

>>40306448
tfw no flight attendant gf

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>>40306572
Don't let your dreams be just dreams.

>>40306535
Earthworm or ant burgers are literally 95% protein per 100g, and locusts, cockroaches, most insects of this kind are stupidly rich in protons too all things considered. Chicken and tuna btfo if you can handle the taste, which allegedly is not as awful as one would think by far.

>>40306582
sadly there's not a place where all flight attendants hang out to get hit on by random dudes

I'd have to randomly get lucky and meet one

also all my random flight attendant hookups on Tinder don't want to help me fly for cheap

>ABSOLUTELY NO source talk

really? some natty zealot faggot mod is still banning for this? like even asking if so-and-so's var is legit or something? on the same website where disgusting trogodytes wax their carrots to guro and cp? it was just a couple short years ago half the trips here were selling homebrew :(

>>40306557
doing P/P/L/arms atm cuz my biceps are lagging like fuck

i tried doing GVT style volume but didnt make any progress, once i dropped it back down to 4/5 sets i got mad strength gains

>>40306414
Im super close to some too
Do I go and start feeling up fruit?
Thats an erotic section

>>40306655
some still are they just stopped the advertising heh

>>40306651
ive eaten crickets before and there pretty good but id rather have them homegrown and made into a powerder.

id be a replacement for protein shakes and a great addition to bread flour.

>>40306654
I snuck into a United airlines Christmas party once. Told everyone I was a co-pilot.
The tail was incredible.

>>40306658
Gvt is shit desu

Either the first few sets feel like nothing or you get two reps on the last couple

Love drop sets tho

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>>40306661
I usually just start deep throating plantains and tongue fucking catfish carcasses.

>>40306654
Bars of the hotels they stay at is what I told Jerry. But really they all super slutty and basically beg for attention and want to be treated like princesses.

>>40306655
yes

but tbH you should be buying from that one place on reddit anyway and that has reviews also. you can even start a source review thread on there if you want more input

to quote FL, this place is no longer the wild west it used to be. adapt or get banned.

>>40306721
Back on my Asia trips I used to eat a lot of funky shit, eating whole warrior ants was icky as fuck but some insects are minced and used as beef and pork substitute for patties and it looks and tastes not too different. Not something I would make a habit but the stigma lies more in eating the whole thing than just using it as a nutrient source per se.

>>40306808
lucky you got time to travel and try shit out tell us your stories man

your supposed to turn negative stigmas into positive ones with pure blinding alphaness.

Tfw youll have to drop pmsf to get your brain working
Whats the biggest defecit I could go for good brain juice. Keto obviously but pmsf drains the brain

>>40306732
I gag on plantains
Youll have to show me your technique ;)

>>40306875
>implying you need your brain
become the meathead jerry

also didn't you just start tren? it's time to stop cutting dude it's been like a year

>>40306890
he could be a big mofo if he wanted to id love to see jerry dominating people instead of wanting to be dominated.

it makes me rock hard to see people go alpha mode.

>>40306852
Got lots of stories but suck at coherently telling them without a certain topic to prompt them, selective autism lel

>>40306875
I turn into a drooling mong the exact fucking second I go under -1200. Anecdotal as fuck cause some people function fine on like 500kcals a day, but I feel your pain.

>>40306929
sad but one day well see you savant a good story one day we will.

i have to pretend to be an anime villan character to be good at public speaker, and i have to pretend to be an anime waifu to be good at lifting

>>40306890
I cut most of jan
From September to jan i just drank tons because I couldnt lift

So it's time to get lean and blow up from within,,,

>>40306929
Under 1000 my memory is really impacted
Even 1500 effects it enough to tell

>>40306915
>calls himself alpha
>has let a girl in his boipussy

Stay beta and afraid

>>40306949
you've been talking about psmf since the surgery

actually before that too I think

you need help

>>40306943
I get the villain thing, similar here, but how does waifuplay influence lifting? Genuinely curious.

>>40306949
Not so much memory, I just do dumb things or pay fuck all attention to anything. Ran into a streetlight and broke my nose on 1200 (tdee back then 3200ish) once lmao

>>40307003
I forget how many sets I've done while I'm lifting and I'm not even on a deficit

>tfw too dumb to lift weights

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>>40306966
I needed to cut presurgery lol
Im thicc atm

>>40307003
Wow
Maybe dont do defecits that big lol
My memory gets fried, I cant recall things nearly as well

>>40307003
the waifu play is the idea that your fighting to keep your image of your waifu in your head when you lift to distract you away from the pain.

not only that its a higher and impossible ideal that one day you will be so good as a human being, self improvement wise, that maybe just maybe shell magically take you away to her land and marry you.

its impossible to the point that the only comparison is the ideal of having the perfect body

>>40307017
meathead cliches need to be upheld, keep on keeping on

Lads, im not sure if I have mixed up my labels on the nolva & arimidex, and they look entirely the fucking same. Is there a way to tell which is which?

>>40307035
>Maybe dont do defecits that big lol
Refer to your pic. I went from 12% to 21ish in record time post surgery, I needed it GONE no holds barred. It worked, but yeah, never again.

>>40307046
So essentially what I do with my long term goals but in weeb autist form... Brilliant! :D

>been having issues with sex drive and energy 9 months after cycle
>take 6.25mg of leftover asin
>a day or so later my libido is back and I feel great

How can I get my aromasin activity back to normal so I don't have these estro problems as a natty? I don't want to take asin forever

>>40307099
you can attribute that delusion to anything so long as its impossible and you still hope for it to be possible.

>>40307070
not really no if it's ugl

labmax time

>>40307108
This is why alex gets /fit/, this is why masT lifts 25 hours a day 8 days a week, this is why FL still ogles women. Delusion is the best motivator of them all.

>>40307568
normies wont ever understand that we reach so far and above our goals, that not even savants could understand our motivations behind our actions.

>>40305499
how do you not go to jail when you use steroids?

>>40307636
nobody gives a shit

that's like asking how you don't go to jail for smoking marijuana, except with even less chance of being caught/prosecuted

>>40307636
7 proxies, vpn, linux, mac spoofing, peer block, someone else wifi, tails, virtualization.

all together and you should be golden.

>>40307602

Who here has reached "far above their goals"?

can anyone honestly say

>I am happy with my physique
OR

>I have reached my goal body

Here? Anyone?

No. No one can.

The reason why ITT we are getting huge and shredded and the rest of the board will be dyel forever and forever
Dysmorphia

I have to thank this general from the bottom of my heart for that gift, to have the motivation and desire to grow as big as I can

Sincerely

I will never ever shitpost up here because I have been given such a valuable gift

>>40306724
Tonight, on "Things that never happened" ..

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Do you guys legitimately not care about the health concerns of using steroids?

>>40307682
>that guy who has never done any research into steroids shitposting in a general full of people who have been researching for years

>>40307682
They're either lied too by people who're on or want to sell you the gear or they're dumb and so hard up for GAINZ that they'll sacrifice their manhood and decades of their life for 20 pounds of muscle.

>>40307705

>>40307647
>>40307653
two sides of the same coin lol

>>40307733
one is a troll

see if you can spot which it is

>>40307682
It's like religion. Taking only the positive in your opinion and the things you like out of anything written or spoken in that context.
>playing with fucking hormones is not healthrisk at all
Get your shit together, apes.

>>40307682
>care
somewhat, this is why I research stuff
>letting it stop me
neverrrr

>>40307766
hmmmmm gimme a minute

>>40307568
>Delusion is the best motivator of them all.
then why doesn't it work for you cancer faggot. Let me tell you something about delusion

90% of you faggots are delusional, because you keep telling yourself you still have reasons to live, but in reality it isn't

We ell gonna make it, right

>>40308012
>thinking anyone has an ACTUAL reason to live
delusion

>>40306875
I was on low carb for 9 months, no excuses jerry

But then again i let other people do the brain work.

>>40308038
I am the example of how to make it in life & I am telling you faggots to be yourself. So what is your reason faggot

I AM TELLING THE TRUTH but you can't handle the truth, that's why you mad at me

>>40308063
>be yourself
and this is why i use my cringe to prop up my alphaness.

dammit masT is always right.

>>40308038

It's easy to know why to live, to get joy from your life.

People say 'Alex you are crazy for this or that or this or that'

But I'm happy to be doing what I'm doing and shitposting as hard as I shitpost

By being happy, you are getting from your life what you need, and only reason to ever be alive at all.

Decide what you want, and try to do it...

>>40308012

It pains me to see posts like this from you and I think it is serious posting not trolling

>>40308063

Ahhh MasT never mind, I thought you said that *you* had no reason to live, but you are just shitposting as usual

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Mirin hard, 65 year old no gains lost.

>>40308081
There would be no difference you always cringe

>>40308087
I don't even know it myself, so how can you even know it?

that's my secret; nobody knows

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>>40307672
>>40304896
>Also, it sure seems like no fap cures a lot of low test symptoms. I mean, I might even be low test and just never had symptoms because I don't fap.

Agree with this 110%. This is why I became anti-fap and anti-women. People will call it autism but until you experience the low-test high-cortisol post-fap experience and compare it to "baseline" or the "recovered" state, it will never make sense. I have mentioned this before but I always associate sexual release with "cumming my gains away" due to the strong association made between the two when at 275ng/dl. This is why I would do months upon months of nofap and start to intellectualize/rationalize why I am doing it so I could better resist the temptation. That is why I had to make women be evil and sex be dirty - to save myself from falling into that pitiful state that is not worth the few minutes of dick-pleasure. But it's not like that anymore on TRT.

Now I am starting to see that just because fapping on low test is a miserable experience doesn't make women evil. I am learning that r9k stuff is no better than the childish complaints that I hate in the spheres of philosophy and politics. All I can be is authentic to how much I have understood and keep trying to improve. I will admit that those anons that flamed me for r9k thoughts were right. There are still problems with women just like there are with men but sexual contact/relationships with the opposite sex is not inherently dissipative/evil. But I do believe that low test is evil. It is a plague on this earth that leads to shitty thinking. And when I look upon my prior foolishness I see that I am the best example of this.

Now do you believe that hormones can affect your thoughts/physiology? You were so against the very idea of it before. You talk about the ebay complaints not phasing you now as opposed to after fapping and flooding your system with cortisol. You see now, first hand, the role that hormones had on your behavior/mindset.

>>40308117
>65 year old no gains lost.
Or 35 years with no gains

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>>40308148
You should be happy to make it to 40 with your beta genetics

>>40308126

I get it now. It had been a long time since I fapped, so I had forgetter what it was like

If you guys read my posting (same as glands posting) about being bullied and shit as a kid and when I put just 0 effort into life, no joy in my life, I was fapping more often than the recovery period, so I was perma low test.

I stopped fapping and actually started e scrap business, depression gone, got some girls.

More importantly had some motivation to be alive

I just never colletlated my life being fixed to it. It seemed like coincidence.

You guys remember my posts about dishwashing? I would just wake up, not even brush my teeth, go to work, wash dishes, go home, eat cakes, go to sleep. Not even wash myself every day, shower once every two days.

Like, I didn't care about anything, didn't kill myself because that would've been a lot of effort.

Man peek, those three days were rough. Thoughts of self harm, depression, had to lift simply because I couldn't look at myself in the mirror with respect if I didn't (what would MasT think???)

Should I fap to crash my levels back to 0 ng/l (lol)before the test?

I almost can't bear the thought.

I get everything you're saying, about everything now peek.

>>40308252
if your suicidal thoughts are that bad id pick up vitamin d3 10-20K IU daily, it makes a huge difference on mood and improves test levels.

>>40308304

I'm on 6,000ui

Only suicidal after fap

Man I just honestly wanted to kill myself frankly the entire 3 days and it was a flashback to the first 18 years of my life

Didn't want to do anything except lie on the couch,

Also peek I noticed something

>fap
>want to kill myself

>no fap and sex
>feel OK

>no fap, no sex
>feel amazing, happy, driven, etc

So I deff. Understand what you are saying, about demonizing women

You guys read my posts about only wanting women so I could shitpost about them on fit ? That's because I associated the sex with loss of that good feelings, so I never had that much interest in girls , because sure sex, but you lose that no fap no sex feeling

The feeling all you guys have all the time, baka, Mirrin

>>40308126

>>40308451
up the dosage to 20k and kill yourself afterwards.

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>>40308126

Also,

>99% of western women
>garbage

Pick 2, this one has a bf or something ,

>meme arrows

Just be yourself...

>>40307568
Nah man, its not me, it's them.

Glands, man, what do I do? These women won't stop looking at me.

Do steroids improve beard gains?

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>>40308252
>Should I fap to crash my levels back to 0 ng/l (lol)before the test?
Well, depends what you want from the test. Do you want to try and use the test to get a TRT script? If so, might be good to do so. I HATED getting tests during the time I was wrestling with the doc to get TRT because I would feel obligated to fap and drink before hand. When I didn't, the test would come up at like 300-330ng/dl, within the reference range of the lab, which indicated to the doctor that "everything is fine." But as soon as the number in front is 2, then a doctor's ears will perk up.

But if you just want to get information for yourself it is better to see what your levels are in the recovered state. It is more representative of what your baseline situation is. Also, tell your doctor that you have been reading about how elevated cortisol can cause depression and/or loss of executive function (i.e., lack of alphaness). If you can get cortisol tested I would like to see it.

I do not pretend to know anything about your hormones anymore. I will leave that to the labs. But I am focusing my reading a lot more on prolactin and cortisol. Cortisol especially.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3362926/
>greater cortisol reactivity (particularly hyper-reactivity) is associated with both internalizing and externalizing problems in children and adolescents
This is textbook definition that fits the thinking I posted >>40308126

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0009898113001484
>elevation in cortisol concentrations is associated with dementia, independently of APOE genotypes
>chronic exposure to high glucocorticoids concentrations during aging has been associated with smaller hippocampal volume, death of hippocampal neurons and cognitive decline

I mean I almost have nothing else to say. I hope this helps you. I think more knowledge about your hormone levels can only help you. Do the descriptions of high cortisol resonate with your experiences of rough days?

>>40308526
Yes but mostly the DHT derivatives

>>40308063
Theres low carb, then theres 900 cals a day

>>40307682
3 years, I researched this
8 Years, Ive lifted
And for all of those years Ive watched roiders get bigger than me in half the time

Never again

>>40308539

Yeah, I dunno if I even have ADHD or if my ADHD symptoms are just high cortisol levels at this point desu man

Hmm, I guess I wanna know what my test levels are.

My parents won't go for it unless I can get the doctor to say 'he needs TRT'

If the test shows my test levels are 305 and the doctor says 'that's fine' then they won't go for it man.

Ideally I would like to continue living in mom's basement while TRT, and use would be normal TRT with blasts mixed in I guess, blast and cruise.

If the doctor says '300ngl is fine' I would be forced to move out

Which is ok, I just rather not live alone, I go a little crazy.

When I live alone I always end up meeting and dating some girl I have no feelings for so I can live with someone also

So I might just go buy some brokaid, stay up 3 days, fap my ass off, drink a liter of whiskey, and get the test desu

>>40308012
>then why doesn't it work for you
But it does. I am deluded enough to think I will at some point make it, and that keeps me alive and going. We literally mean the same thing breh

if I'm on deca and drink pumpkin spice latte will I go bald?

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>>40308539
>>40308820
Just to follow up on the last study I posted. What does the Hippocampus do? Let's focus on one aspect.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166432816304673
>role of the hippocampus in approach-avoidance conflict decision-making
OK, what is that?
>arises when an organism is both attracted to, and repelled by the same goal stimulus. In other words, the goal is imbued with both positive and negative qualities such that it creates a competition between incompatible motivations and responses
Any concrete examples?
>a hungry animal deciding whether to forage for food in a dangerous environment (e.g. due to the presence of a predator or environmental hazards) needs to consider the potential benefits of much needed calorific intake alongside the probability for negative consequences such as bodily harm

Take the case of a low T high C individual. He will see conflict in everything. There are pros and cons to every situation. But he will never be able to ACT. He will be PARALYZED in thoughts because his brain isn't able to resolve this conflict. Isn't this how alphas would describe r9k in a few sentences?

Impaired function of this type does not just mean to avoid difficult situations, but it also means to choose situations that have been appealing at one time but present negative side effects and costs. For example, fapping. Welfare NEET life. Social isolation that makes the cortisol levels even higher. It is /comfy/ so the HPC impaired person will keep staying in his "rut" even though he is getting the negative feedback telling him not to. One-itis. Chronic fapping and weed smoking. Isolation and echo chambers.

HPC impaired rats will keep entering a box that has food in it even after doing so gives them a shock. Normal HPC rats will learn this and explore their other options. I am seeing this first hand- feeling more free to give up my old ways of thought when I see that they are doing me no favors. Slowly but hopefully surely.

>>40308860

You're a good guy peek, Im gonna actually call the doctor tommrow, get that test.

Jerry seems to think the doctors can't be trusted with this shit. UGL better? Maybe then I could cruise at 1000 too instead of whatever 500 "success story" from 250 they want for me? What are you cruising at?

>>40308504
kek fair enough

>>40308911
I'm serious ;(

They won't stop.

>>40308860
>both attracted to and repelled by the same stimulus

t. most of my kinks

>>40308951
Develop fake tourettes, start swearing at them like a madman. Those who actually like it are real keepers.

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>>40308820
>buy some brokaid, stay up 3 days, fap my ass off, drink a liter of whiskey, and get the test desu
KEK also if you want to go full beta before the test I think there are studies showing that eating black licorice for 4-7 days causes a very noticeable drop in test levels. Make sure the test includes E2, LH, FSH, etc. It will if your doc knows what to look for before prescribing TRT.

>>40308910
The problem with normal docs is that they are too pussy to prescribe anything meaningful to someone under 30 or 35. My doc is pretty cool but all his patients were over 40. So he was unwilling to give me anything other than HCG. So there's one issue where they are incompetent and another issue where they are too cautious. My doc's issue was the second one.

I eventually got pharma test after everything else was proven to not work (due to a degree of both primary and secondary hypogonadism) but he panicked when I went over 600 ng/dl and dropped me down to like 75mg/week. I didn't even bother getting tested at that level. Just cut ties and ordered UGL vials.

When you say cruise at 1000, you mean cruise at a test dosage that gets your blood levels to 1000ng/dl, right? If so, that's a great idea.

Cruising at 220mg now - great! Will get bloods in 4 weeks. One advantage I will say that I got from interacting with the doc was learning about histamine, catecholamines, and cortisol. I could have learned about these things in advance but when you have an expert telling you things in his own words because he has truly understood it, it's a different experience. Helps guide your research. That is why I ask these basic questions that sound stupid to some in the hopes that someone can prevent me from wasting time on extraneous details.

One thing I would be interested in recommending is that before you do TRT or UGL, if you have high cortisol, try the cortisol reduction stack I recommended earlier. Gave me great mental benefits before TRT, and has only gotten better since.

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>>40309087
>cortisol reduction stack I recommended earlier
Phosphatidylserine (I took 2x AyuPhos in am)
Ashwagandha (I took 3x caps of powdered plant in am)

why doesn't everyone run hgh year round if it is only 2.4k for 40 IU's a week (actually more IUs since this shit is overdosed apparently)

>>40309148
Generics seem like a good deal, until they send you vials of powdered sugar.

>>40309143
my cortisol elimination stack:

trenbolone

>>40309178
black tops =/= powdered sugar

people from the mesorx forum tested fuckloads of brands of HGH, and black tops consistently came in at overdosed by ~35% or so

>>40309227
and my source is endorsed by a famous leddit source who supplies other shit so im not worried

>>40309227
Best of luck.

>>40309087

Screen capped post peek.

I will post some threads about 'what does girls want?' And my test level will test 0 ng/l, for sure.

Maybe some thread about 'why lift when it's all about the face' too

What do you think I need to do a blast at to be able to lift like Bimbo, two time a day, for 8 hours?

I read that shit and I get so envious.

I lift 2 hours, and my body is done, I cannot do anymore.

500mg cycle?

Just out of curiosity Obviously I am jumping the gun here

I'm thinking what I want from this life and unironically I just want to lift weights and eat food and be shredded year round, what could be better?

Everyone posts here about money.

Money just lets you chase your dreams, your dreams make you happy

>>40309320
>what to do to lift like bimbo
>cycle advice
Yeah, I'll keep my mouth shut on this since I haven't done it myself. Especially when there are so many knowledgeable anons and trips here who can tell you better.

>'why lift when it's all about the face' too
Haha, I used to spam r9k with posts about how CHAD grew up with a perfect pre-natal environment and had the genes to enable him to become a TRUE MAN while YOU struggle to bench the bar and can't even get the nerve to ask a 2/10 girl for her number. It was more coming from a place of laughing at my own predicament in a way but the point is that I understand the appeal of that sort of trolling.

>Money just lets you chase your dreams, your dreams make you happy
I see what you're saying. My dream is financial independence though. I don't want to be beholden to anyone but myself. That's why I'm so focused on money/investments/career over other stuff.

>... I say as I post from work

Dbol split up during the day or concentrated before/around workout? What do you guys prefer

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Hey fraud, faggot from yesterday here.

did 2nd test e pin yesterday. looking forward to the gains.

whats your guys' opinion on rack pulls?

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>>40309320
I can keep high volume and frequency fine on just 350 test prop. That's maintenance. I'm not hitting big numbers with that kinda frequency.

I hit 320x6 incline last week on just 350 test but I was fresh off a two day break and wasn't hitting volume or frequency that week.

Bulking meal:
1lb 80/20 ground beef
2 bag site fry veggies
2 packs of ramen
5 eggs
1tsp olive oil
1/4 cup 4 cheese blend

Brown beef. Cool noodles. Add noodles to beef. Fry in beef fat. Add stir fry veggies until crisp. Add eggs scrambled. Lower heat and let sit. Fold eggs into mixture. Top with cheese.

Great post workout meal. Cost ~$5 ~2500 kcal

>tfw 4000 TDEE

>>40309951
>2 packs of ramen
kaluh mussel

>>40309984
I'm poor fight me

>>40309994
>poor
>blasting over 2g's of compounds in total

hmmmm

>>40309639
You're so small that it probably won't matter. Good luck.

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>>40309639

>boot bitch wearing tags in civvies

jesus take the wheel

>>40309951
>>tfw 4000 TDEE
3900 here, blessing and curse depending on goals. mirin poorfag ramen cuisine too

>>40310042
All test. Which is cheap. Come on now. 15 bucks a week on test, versus 120 dollars a month to blast 100mg tren a day.

I am a reasonable man.

>>40310087
10/10 would degrade sexually. Not even gay.

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>>40310118
>I am a reasonable man.

>>40310118
fair enough.

isn't test over 750mg a week a little bit redundant though? Heard there are dimnishing returns at a certain point and very high risk of infertility.

>>40309241
there's a famous reddit source selling completely bunk hgh and no one's doing anything about it lmao

>>40310155
>not blasting and cruising as birth control anyway

>>40310155

then why do IFBB pros blast grams of shit

>diminish returns

Well obviously, that is bodybuilding.

The most gains you make is the first month in the gym, then it is ALL diminishing returns, of if you roid, that first cycle, etc.

>>40309951

Yeah I'm just doing this month's bulk eyeballing fucking shit, but I'm weighing myself every morning.

I wake up, piss, then weigh myself before I drink any water to keep an eye.

Going for 4 lbs, I dunno.

From what guys here say if you aren't CHAD with natty test of 1500ng/l it's impossible to put on anything other than fat bulking but fuck it I'll see.

>>tfw 4000 TDEE

????

You lift twice a day do LITT 3 times a week? you weight 250 lbs and your tdee is 4k?

what? excuse me? That's it? how is this possible

>>40305611
check reddit mang
6 weeks of 500mcg mtren ED costs $80AUD and its tested by jano

>>40310254
Thats also gotta be the most frequently bunk AAS out there.

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Not /fraud/ related but for years now, like at least 6 (pre-jooice) after some workouts Ill occasionally get pain in my left nut. Inevitably I freak out, cough and check and stuff, and it goes away in a day or so.

Any theories that aint b8?

>>40310344
You're right! My formula was plugged in for less activity than I was actually doing.

It's actually about 4500-4700. So two extra glasses of milk.

>>40307702
Doing internet research on roidology.com forums is apparently enough to start messing with your endocrine system.

>>40310492
what formula do you use?

>>40310679

Here is what I use.

I know I am not as reputable a source of knowlege as bimbo but I see no reason this would not work

For one month, eat a number of calories, any number.

Record your weight at the start.

Then record your weight at the end.

510 calories = 4 pound a month (source scooby calculator)

So if you gain 4 lbs, and you ate 4000 calories, your TDEE is 3410.

Etc. simple math, 1 lb = 127.5 calories

This has to be more accurate than an online guesstimator, since it is based on your percise activity level and metabolism

>>40310708
3490*

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>>40305632
>2017 goals
>get jacked

fucking lol'd

>>40308501
kek'd hard, keeps proving itself time and time again

>unrelated

debating on cutting the bulk a little bit short, running it until mid-april then cutting until june or so and blasting tren over the summer, bulking for a few months, cruising into fall, and bulking again over the winter

have yet to decide if I want to do that or just blast until summer then cut over the summer.

Tough call.

>>40310465
>>40310465
I have this too and Im natty. 21yo btw and started when I started lifing heavy.

Do we have cancer?

>>40310734
If I have cancer Im gonna roid myself to oblivion and back and cool off with heroin and video games on the weekends until I die ripped and happy with my dick in my hand and my gains stretching the coffin.

>>40310725
How many days until you start making little CP Jr.s with her?

Also, I don't remember if I asked you, but how long do you leave in between blasts? I know all the stuff about "however long it takes until health markers come back to normal" but just wondering what that number is for you. Bc it kinda sounds like you're doing 3 blasts a year.

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>>40310834
I'm fairly lucky I suppose because it seems to take me about 8 weeks to recover based on bloodwork. Took around 12 from tren/sdrol but otherwise it's a fairly short period of recovery for me

>how many days until CP Jr's
30 exactly. She has 2 more days at the school then she has a mandatory 4 week period she has to spend pretty much confined with her host family so she can get acquainted with things at their place, their 'customs' and all of that bullshit as well.

She's coming with on my trip to texas over spring break to visit family, which coincides perfectly with the end of her 4 week probationary period.

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>>40310834

which one for new OP?

>>40310887
first one

>>40310887
you know what happens when you make OPs

don't bother

>>40310890

alright just shitpost non stop until we get to 250 and then i'll go ahead and post one

>>40310877
NICE! Hmu if you end up passing through AZ (assuming you are not just staying in TX the whole time). I am a boring person but it'd be nice to meet.

>>40310887
2nd one is too blurry
1st looks good

>>40310898

they can't *not* post in it with that OP image desu

>>40310911
I'm telling you a new one will be made and yours will be ignored m8

also think about killing yourself

>>40310909
We'll be just in Texas this time, but I'll remember that because I'll be passing through AZ later in the year (mid june) on a trip with family and her.

supposed to meet some asian anon at a campus bar when I'm in texas, kek. Told me to look for 'the asian in a black shirt'

>>40310916

you'll see, I'll just make new ops until the entire catalog is full of mine and yours gets slid off the board

where you gonna post if your thread is in the archives

>>40311016
>>40310978

> That's clearly muscle and the fact that you can see it despite my belly is a sign of a strong core.

who knows what's real life anymore?

>>40311030
>intentionally lifting his shirt up to his chest to show his gyno
>believing this isn't a troll

it's time to stop

>>40311153

>gyno

Everyone always spams it but it gets BTFO pretty bad if you lose weight.

I have like a tiny tiny bit from being as fat as him, that's mostly high bf % probally.

not even enough that I wanna bother with ralox

>>40310465
Some of the lower abdominals and upper adductor all tie into that region. Remember that your nuts are attached to a muscle.

There's probably something slightly overstrained and it's just complaining. Nbd unless it's extremely painful and constant.

>>40310887
>Capitalized/fraud/

Fucking dropped

>>40310909
Hey if you're still here do you have anything decent to read on those cortisol supplements?

I could only find Wikipedia-tier and worse websites describing them.

Also, general guide to reducing cortisol? I'm concerned I've destroyed parts of my brain over the years.

>>40305499
Is this common among roiders?

>>1530388

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>>40311531
Hope the below links help. You should try these if your tests show high cortisol. Even if you don't do a test and have the symptoms it may be good to try and see if maybe cortisol is the culprit. Did wonders for me mentally before TRT.

phosphatidylserine: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2503954/

This is the paper I got the pic related figure of >>40309143 from.


ashwagandha:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3573577/
>serum cortisol levels were substantially reduced (P=0.0006) in the Ashwagandha group, relative to the placebo group.

I think Ashwagandha has a chemical (forget the name but you can buy supplements that are standardized to this active ingredient) that has a high binding affinity for the glucocorticoid receptor and exhibits antagonistic action once bound.

>>40310352
the only thing he is "famous" for if you google that sources review history is sending fuckloads of fake garbage

i am talking about the guy that provides US domestic pharma ancillaries and HGH, who i am pretty sure has never sent anyone a bunk product

besides they are not even selling known brands of generics, theyre selling their own shit.

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I just came into unlimited medical hgh, what do?

>>40311812
no you didn't

>>40311709
Any lifestyle guides to reducing cortisol? Thanks for the info, it's very helpful.

>>40311812
Leave humanity behind.

>>40311812
give it to me

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>>40311531
>>40311831

Don't get too swayed by the cortisol bashing I did earlier. It is significant, but it's always important to look forward. I am glad you are getting motivation to do something about it if you are noticing the symptoms. Taking ACTION is a faculty that you can be robbed of if you are too used to letting your willpower atrophy. Don't overthink this. Just try it and tell me how you feel in two weeks. What makes you think cortisol is the issue? Get bloodwork at some point.

My advice to reducing cortisol is to take these supplements first. See if it makes a change. Then you can do lifestyle tweaks. Actually, since I know nothing about you, let me give you a list of "do-nots" that helped me mitigate high cortisol sides: do not fap, do not watch porn, do not drink, do not use cannabis, do not stress about shit you can't change, do not stress about things you need to change (just change them).

Online you will read stuff about "oh if you're mind is not thinking the right way then you will have high cortisol" I think this is true but only to an extent. It is hard for me to say one is the cause and one is the effect. I was meditating for hours in just peace and peacefulness. In depth philosophy study on weekends. No stress. Abstaining from all the "do nots" I told you to. Stable. Money. Doing well at my job. But the symptoms persist.

No indulgences. MONK LIFE. Still the symptoms persist. Take some fucking cortisol lowering pills - boom! Symptoms gone. Now, was my problem mental or physical? You tell me. Now I just feel angry at my old self for over thinking this shit and looking for abstract mental/philosophical causes for these stupid physical things. Just have to change the physical through force and intervention - just like you can't think your way out of hunger.

>>40311822
I did tho.
>>40311831
How do? I don't know shit about cycles or supplementary shit
>>40311836
Wher u live tho

>>40311881
ok so go ahead and run tens of thousands of dollars worth of pharma hgh for free. what else would you expect us to say?

or sell it at a good discount so you get shitloads of buyers

except you wont because you are either lying or a 16 year old kid who thinks he found "hgh" when it's some stupid ass supplement or something else entirely

>>40305499

Hey guys I was wondering if higher testerone levels would help me lean out?

I am having trouble getting lean, and I think I have hit the natty limit as far as how lean you can cut down too.

Stats

>5'3"
>10% bodyfat
>207lbs

lifting 3 months

>>40311899
>>>5'3"
>>10% bodyfat
>>207lbs

i would love to see this natty 10% bf 207lbs 5'3

>>40311462
That makes perfect sense. I over did lower abs today a bit. Thanks.

>>40311899
these stats lmao

>>40311848
>What makes you think cortisol is the issue?
My lifestyle is one that would be prone to high cortisol, due to extenuating circumstances. Plus a boatload of learned helplessness. Those are just the primary reasons, plenty of smaller details but I don't really feel like Googling "How to tell if YOU'RE High Cortisol" and then making lines that aren't there.

>Get bloodwork at some point
Easier said than done. I'm crazy broke.

>Do not list
Thanks. But wouldn't those last two be more symptomatic than causative? Or is it a feedback loop?

>meditating
Kinda tangential (but not really, since meditation is a fantastic lifestyle intervention for brain health), but I've had a problem with meditation that's destroyed my motivation for a year. I cannot physically get my body to be comfortable. In my best posture where my back doesn't bother me, I always have my leg falling asleep at the 30 minute mark. It's very consistent, and I'm afraid of damage if I just ignore it. Not sure where to go from there, lots of stretching helps very very minimally and it's extremely frustrating, because I really enjoy the restful state. Any points of advice?

Thanks for all the help here peek. Glad you're in this general.

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>>40311919

I had her retake pics, because I told her they """weren't good""" and """are u even trying?"""

SHe's taking requests, anything u want glands?

Like maybe something witty about your classic '30% bodyfat pajeet nutrition' "clever remarks"

Anyone else ITT want her 2 write some shit tell me i dunno

>>40312004
something like "results of 6 months SS and GOMAD"

ayy lmao

>>40308117
Wonder how is heart is doing?

>>40312004
>>40312016
cringe

>>40312004
"alex pls go"

"No pic = dyel"

>>40311984
Re: meditation... you can also lay down and obtain the same meme benefits. It doesn't have to be sitting.

>>40312032
>>"No pic = dyel"
this

this

this

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>>40311893
>implying
I mean for purchase same day whenever i want for cheap because I'm friends with a chemist from a pharma company. But thanks for the help cuck

>>40312040
Not true. I've tried. The state is very foggy and you can't get as 'deep'.

>>40312043
irony.txt

>>40312047
>unlimited access
>"i meant i had a discount"

are you retarded

>>40312051
>alex posts pics
>gets his shit fucked up in 5 seconds, his girl gets messaged and pissed off
>bimbo posts g4p and pics
>gets his shit fucked up, family messaged on facebook

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>>40311984
>broke
OK in that case probably better to spend the $ on the supps rather than the bloods.

>symptomatic than causative? Or is it a feedback loop?
I explained this in my earlier post a little. I don't think it's 100% mental for everyone. You asked for "lifestyle" changes and that would be one of them. As in, it's one of those things where if you notice yourself stressing unnecessarily and can stop it, then stop it. It is probably amplifying the feedback loop. For me, I was not stressing (except maybe about whether I was low test and had cortisol issues, lol), but still suffered from the behavior/thought patterns mentioned >>40308860 associated with impaired HPC and stuff. Lowered executive function. Lack of out-of-the-box thinking. Defeatist mentality. Risk aversion. I'm not saying I'm an expert on this. Just things I've noticed.

> I've had a problem with meditation that's destroyed my motivation for a year
>I always have my leg falling asleep at the 30 minute mark
Sit in a chair lol. However you're comfortable.

The goal of meditation is not getting your body to do certain things or behave in a certain way. In the beginning stages it is about training your mind. Meditation at its best is about withdrawing your mind from sense objects and engaging in unbroken contemplation on that which lies beyond sensory phenomena and that which supports them. Ataraxia. Wrote a bunch about this practice as the whole reason to justify living a few threads ago if you're interested.

Advice? PERSIST. You know the benefits of meditation. Get serious about it - it will pay dividends as you age. Read the works of great masters. Get carried away by them while you read them (i.e., read them charitably), but look at them on your own terms when the pages are shut (i.e., don't let any author think for you). Don't be afraid to find faults in the models (philosophies) but don't forget that there may be faults in your eyes (mind) that are observing the models.

>>40312056
Yeah but who gives a shit

>>40312056
it's okay, i make excuses too sometimes

>>40312056
Your face is full of bees it's not like you have dignity to protect

>>40312056
bimbo acts under his real name lmao

and all that happened to alex was that someone found the girl on okc. he still hasn't been doxxed

for now.

>>40312056

>post picture
>realize mistake
>run mouse over to the right side of my screen
>it's been saved already

I guess I'm not the only one with no life that just mashes f5 here all day?


>implying people are gonna message my family

Like my parents don't know how retarded I am, what u gonna tell them that they don't know? lol.

'hey your son is autistic'

'yeah we know'

'u-uh'

>>40312032

She left for jujitsu, I will have her write maybe

(for you glands)

>Natty
>Attractive physique
>Pick 1 and only 1

Just to trigger people with lol

And uh maybe,

>No pics = dyel
>No face= ugly

?

I can have her do maybe

>Oral only cycle is for retards

hmm?

>>40312075
>>40312076
>>40312084
>>40312101
yea except i will lose access to my unlimited free money that lets me roid and use hgh without even having a job

so yea

not worth risking that over internet argument points

>>40312101

Also is anyone even trying to dox me lamo?

Clearly not

>guy was texting that girl from OKC
>didn't ask her for my phone number
>tied to my name and address

how hard is this shit?

>>40312120
wait i thought u got doxxed already

>>40312119

>not roiding for internet arguement points

Why u think I'm getting bloodwork and researching first cycle

>internet arguement points
>btfo more people in CBT
>no one can tell me not to post in /fraud/

they won't be able to call me autistic natty retard SOON

just autistic retard

>>40312056
>gets his juice from some faggot cooking in the desert for too much money
Enjoy your poverty and HIV faggot

>>40312130

they posted my dox like 2 times in fraud as well as a fraud poster has my dox

but he seems to like me because he is not posting it anymore, i dunno, thanks

also the mod likes me as well, because he deletes it asap when someone posts it here

I assumed that you guys were circulating it, but I think just one guy has it

but yeah not once but 2 times I f5'd here and I saw a pastebin with my

>name
>phone number
>dob
>addrss where I *used* to live

but it don't get posted anymore

PS: i appreciate you not circulating it, I dunno,

>>40312119
Nah you wouldn't kill your brother and you'd be fine. Hell it'd be easy. He's fat just make him die at 30 of obesity by stuffing his face with shit. Or inject him with insulin and woa watch out

>mom he's having an episode oh fuck

Nah don't do that. That's pretty much the only puzzle piece missing from you being a super villain anyways.
>deformed
>big and strong
>access to inherited funds
>sociopathic
You'd just need a dead family that you killed and you'd be like a stupid dr doom. Mr doom I guess

>>40312140
>just got sdrol and test in the mail
>just ordered like 6 months of hgh to test the waters first
>was gonna get melanotan 2 today except its not exactly urgent and i have these stupid ass essays to do


poverty

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>>40312074
Please don't explain meditation to me I'm already frustrated.

I love the benefits, I've experienced them directly, but I can't find a damn posture that doesn't want to throw me out of the mindstate after a set amount of time.

It has become a massive barrier. Sitting in a chair and my back is unstable and distracting, there's no grounding. Sitting on a cushion/floor and my forward most leg falls asleep and screams at me for 5-10 minutes. Then goes full rubber, but that's the scary part. I'm not gonna kill my damn leg.

I can't find anything written on this, or anyone with the same experience. The most advice anyone gives is "well change your posture LOL". Like I haven't fucking tried.

>>40312155
Poverty. Say it with me tripfag
Poverty.

>>40312153
that retard is actually my slave now unless he wants to get fucked because i went to go put his tape measure that i borrowed back on his desk in his room, and his skype was left open on the screen, and i looked at it and see all this fucked up shit he is sending... girls pissing and shitting on eachother, him telling his internet friends he is gonna "hire niggers to rape their girl friend" or something, etc..

and i didnt even actively look through it, that is just what was left open on the fucking screen...

>>40312185
Petition to remove glands and his entire family from the planeo

>>40312148
yeah no lol

I'm here nearly 24/7 and it's not on the archive

believe me, if it was you wouldn't still be here

>>40312185
Sounds like you were just using his computer and forgot who's room you were in??)

>>40312231

Ok

>I'm here nearly 24/7

Mirrin dedication, gym gets in the way but check bewteen sets u know?

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>>40312253
>>40312207

leaveeee glands allloneeeeeeee

Opinions on a 500mg test-e and 200mg deca per week cycle?

>>40312436
It's okay. Baby gains. Up the deca and add an oral/another compound for shits and giggles.

>>40312456
Its only my second cycle, my first was 500mg test-e for 12 weeks, so im trying to be a little cautious. I only really wanna add 1 compound at a time so I can figure out how each compound effects me.

Would 500mg test-e and 300mg deca pw be much better?

>>40312473
If you're that scared of sides pin NPP instead

Anyone else look fluffy when cutting?

I've been modified psmf a few days to kick off a cut and my lower stomach/love handles actually look bigger.

I've heard of this on dnp but not regular cutting.

>>40307682
I'm worried about drowning sometimes desu. Drowning in pussy.

>>40312517
"my gut changes shape"

>>40312632
I don't get it

>>40312632
https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/comments/4u7mwg/aftermath_of_16_week_tren_cycle/

>side effects after cycle

>fast weight gain, especially right after the cycle (and I was already sort of bloated): 5 kgs in 10 days. I think it's partially water retention because I doubt you can synthesize so much fat so fast. Also the fat is much squishier. My gut sometimes changes shape: in the evening it may get bigger and the next morning be much thinner. I think these are water fluctuations.

>weight gain patterns: moon face, enlargement of the neck and different patterns of fat gain (compared to how I usually gain fat) at the gut level;

>huge appetite: after the cycle I had 2-3 days of binging and afterwards am eating +1000 cals over maintenance and I still dream of food almost every night.

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How to make dog look like this?

Is this the effects of trenbolone?

>>40312677
Are you implying I'm being clueless/delusional?

I'm only on test. I was wondering if anyone else experienced fluctuations in water storage since: fat loss=lipid hydrolysis; I'm pretty sure my E2 is good and I'd rather not play with it.

am I still natty if I take GHRP

>>40312774
post height

>>40312771
no just reminded me of it

what are you actually eating exactly, because most "psmf" is actually just made up bullshit

>>40312791

5'9" manlet im taking it for tendonitis recovery

>>40312791
OK that's easy, it's been the same the last three days

Morning
Palmful of almonds and walnuts

Pre-gym
Small sandwich or bowl of cereal, <500kcal

Post Gym
Small portion of carbs, pretzels or slice of sourdough
~1lb of ground beef in a chili with tomatoes, jalapenos and onion.

>>40312838
are you fucking retarded

calling it psmf to make yourself feel better doesn't do anything you realize that right

Alright /fit/ I've been a distance runner my entire life. I'm 20 now and will get a break from training this summer for about four months. Im 150lb. I can hit 265 on squat, 195 on bench, and 335 on DL. (1rm) should I run test this summer and make gains while I don't have to run? For reference, I was a distance runner in HS and now doing army ROTC for that there self discipline and scholarship money. Training for Sandhurst in April rn

>>40312854
More than 70% of the calories are protein and total kcal a day is ~1500. I find that's pretty close to a "true" psmf, just easier to maintain and doesn't make you feel like you're dying.

>>40312791

Why do you have to do the protocol exactly to the book though

Like, what is wrong with "Alex modified PMSF"

>19 ounces chicken breast a day
>931 calories
>170g protien
>24g fat

It's 1 million times better than eating like 3 spoonfuls of whey and a cup of cottage cheese per day because you're worried to exceed the 800 calories the protocol calls for

>>40312854
And how the fuck is your autism about

>THAT'S NOT PSMF REEEEEEEEEEE

Related to water retention during a cut?

>>40312886
psmf is eating as little as possible without losing muscle. aka ~800 calories of protein or something

adding in bowls of cereal and nuts isn't psmf. it means he is calling it psmf to feel hardcore

if i eat 2k calories to cut should i call it a "modified psmf" because i am eating the psmf protein + shitloads of other stuff?

>>40312885
>>40312886
I'm doing keto because I'm eating bacon and a lot of meat

oh but I'm also eating 150g of carbs

but it counts still right

>>40312885
You're eating fucking pretzels and tomatoes on a zero sugar diet.

I am l a f f i n

Try this
>fast for six hours
>75g casein
>wait 2-3 hours 75g casein
>intra workout shake 25g whey
>post workout shake 50g whey
>1 hour later post workout meal, 1.5-2lbs fish or chicken 1 cup spinach dressed with ACV
>1/4 cup frozen berries
>75g casein before bed

>>40312934
yeah it counts

i am doing modified keto. 300g carbs only

>>40312921
>Triggered as fuck
I'm not trying to appear hardcore. Im anon I could just lie.

I felt the descriptor "modified psmf" got the message across that I was both well under TDEE and eating primarily protein sources. You're just being literally autistic arguing about semantics that really don't fucking matter.

>>40312921

Like I see your point, it's not PMSF, call it "eating less food" (kek)

But the problem with protocol PMSF is to fit the calorie limit and get enough protien, your diet is literally whey and cottage cheese

First of all enjoy your acne , second, that sucks.

Way easier to just run the Alex certified suicide cut anorexic chicken breast diet.

>131 calories more than PMSF
>eat real food instead of powder
>no acne
>way less hungry

How can you even live off 5 scoops of whey a day without wanting to kys

I know I know u don't get hungry but fuck that dude

Alex certified suicide cut diet:

>chicken breast
>low calorie so you get a lot of volume
>great macros all protien

Best shit

>>40312948

He's right tho you're not even close to PMSF

Try the Alex certified "fuck actual PMSF" diet

Like 2 dollars a day in food >>40312950

>>40312950
well you cant avoid the trace fats in chicken. you would probably get so fucked up just living off artificial sweetener protein powder.

>>40312965
Nah

>>40312968
well i do. for some reason it gives me bad migraines if i have too much of it.

>>40312978
Inferior genetics

>>40312934
No because to enter ketosis you can't eat more than like max 20g (probably less) a day.

To PSMF you fast but 'spare' protein sources. It's not a metabolic shift like keto. Hence, modified psmf is a psmf where I 'spare' carb sources so I can workout effectively and not feel like dying.

>>40312936
>Complains about tomatoes
>Suggests berries instead

Wtf dude.


What is with the fucking actual autism in here. Sorry I fucking triggered you I figured the best way to get across my diet in as few words as possible was modified psmf, but apparently you all are fucking analpained that I ate <500kcal of other food sources, timed around workouts no less.

>>40312995
Idk it only started happening with one brand. Optimum nutrition did it to me, I had some other shit before that which I forgot and nothing happened with that.

>>40313003
ok i bulk except on modified psmf because i am "sparing" protein sources. except i am also "sparing" carbs so i can workout effectively and build muscle

>>40313003
Are you a fucking retard? Berries have little to no sugar. Tomatoes are all sugar. Learn to eat.

>>40313015
I can't wait for the hgh to make your glands explode

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>>40313025
look at this guy he got obese by doing modified psmf. he spared his protein in big macs then spared extra nutrients to function effectively

"Search Results
Protein-sparing modified fast - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein-sparing_modified_fast
A protein-sparing modified fast (PSMF) is a near-total fast modified by the intake of a bare minimum of protein, fluids, and vitamin and mineral supplementation."

sounds legit

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>>40313021
Hurrr

>>40313036

Never leave

I can't understand why they hate you

>>40313021
>Berries have little to no sugar.

never read something so stupid

>>40313021
>Tomatoes are all sugar

20% more mass and <1/3 the sugar

>>40313036
Black and white thinking is a manifest sign of many brain disorders

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>>40313066
Forgot pic

>>40313057
How about because I asked a question about water retention and he got anal pains about semantics.

>>40313066
cool so my bulk is now a modified psmf

thanks for the insight

>>40313073
>hur i am doing a psmf why am i retaining water
>wait i am actually stuffing my fat ass with all this random shit, no way thats why i am retaining water, after all i am doing a """psmf""" right

>>40313080
You are actually fucking retarded aren't you.

Why don't you find something better to do than be mad on 4chan of all places

>Sub 1500kcal a day is a bulk
Kek. You're putting up all these strawmen and taking everything to the extreme.

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>>40313051
>he eats blueberries
Jesus be 250lbs lean and it's like you still have to prove you know how to do shit. Fuck this retarded board.

>>40313095
explain to me why my ~3.3-3.4k calories are not a modified psmf. this is what i call it. if you argue against it you are hurting my feelings and thus wrong.


stuffing your fat ass with sugar and cereal is not a psmf retard

>>40313095

bro, you are eating more than 2x the amount that PMSF calls for, eating carbs and shit, how is this even any modified PMSF?

You are literally just cutting

New thread:

>>40313094
>>40313094
>>40313094

>>40313098
>Almost 60g less
>2x the calories
Your argument is still retarded.

You probably looked on the back of some canned tomato product for sugar content, but that's added in.

>>40313111
>274 posts in
nope

>>40313111
Why don't you get glands number so he can fuck your ass already., You're clearly starving for it.

>>40313098
>65 calories 15g carbs
>>40313073
>32 calories 7g carbs
=
>64 calories 14g carbs

wow it's literally, literally the same

>>40313104
>Sugar and cereal
Is this what triggered you?

It's wheat cereal with no sugar added, not cocoa puffs lmao

>>40313131
you have down syndrome holy fucking shit

>>40313131
Nah the tomatoes had less calories for their volume. ~130g to ~180g but twice the calories

>>40313142
>comparing food by volume
now that's fucking retarded

and the tomatoes in that pic have double the sugar content which is what i am pretty sure he is referring to

>>40313111
Yeah, minimal carbs timed around workouts.

>We're still arguing semantics and I never got an answer on water retention

JFC. I'd understand if I was eating like 3000kcal of pizza and shit but this is irrelevant and ridiculous.

>>40313171
read through this and follow their advice

>>40312677

does your gut change shape sometimes too?

>>40313152
>5g raspberry vs 4.7g tomato
>Seving size 123g to 180g
Uhhhh

>>40313215
It's completely irrelevant because I'm not eating close to maintenance and I've only been pinning test?

actually new

>>40313251
>>40313251
>>40313251

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>making two new threads well before the bump limit
S M H

>>40312164
>Please don't explain meditation to me I'm already frustrated.
Yeah well without knowing anything about you I'm gonna err on the side of over explanation instead of under explanation. Also the explanation serves to show how/why the posture can be less than optimal, or held for less than the optimal amount of time (i.e., the problem you are experiencing), and still provide LASTING benefits. Isn't that what you're after?

>Sitting in a chair and my back is unstable and distracting, there's no grounding.
So can you not sit in chairs comfortably period? Is there any posture you can sit in comfortably? How do you sit for work/school/posting on 4chan? If your back is so unstable that you can't sit in a chair (even a chair with a back) then maybe you need to train it.

Not trying to make light of your situation, just that your posts seem to be light on relevant details when posting so I'd like to know. I can't sit cross-legged without my butt being elevated. When I sit on a flat surface to meditate I put a rolled up towel below my "sit bones" and rest my feet below. So there's barely any weight on the ankles. If you're trying this, increase the height of the seat your butt's on gradually so you gradually reduce the amount of weight on your ankles until you reach the point where there's no tension on them. You'll get to a point where your entire weight is supported by your spine/butt and you won't lose circulation in your legs because the ankles are at a lower elevation and your legs aren't bearing any weight.

But if you can't sit on a chair with a back without being unstable then I can see this being a problem for you too.

>>40313399
If you want an easy way to visualize it, think of sitting on a yoga block. Like, it's so small that only your butt would be able to fit on it, and your legs/ankles can kinda just sit on the ground and just provide stability so you don't fall forward (but bear little if any weight).

Hope this helps! Don't take it personally if I sounded irritated in this earlier message. I've been putting a lot into my posts lately but maybe I need to just keep it simple and not go beyond what is asked.

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>>40313399
Sorry for coming off rude, like I said this has been a long-standing source of frustration.

>LASTING benefits. Isn't that what you're after?
Yeah. But I'm also after Jhanic states as described by Ajahn Brahm. His methods and explanations of meditation have so far been the most beneficial, so I'd like to follow his path all the way if I can. That requires a lot long sitting times. That's why it's so frustrating to become so still and comfortable, then HEY JERK IM ASLEEP GET UP HEY GET UP

>So can you not sit in chairs comfortably period? Is there any posture you can sit in comfortably? How do you sit for work/school/posting on 4chan? If your back is so unstable that you can't sit in a chair (even a chair with a back) then maybe you need to train it.
I lay on my back or side. It's fine for playing on my phone, but it makes meditation cloudy. I can sit in a chair but like I said, it's much more unstable than sitting on the floor. Either I'm constantly in slight hyperextension to keep pressure off my glutes or I'm rounded and it causes cloudyness. Just not a favorable position.

>Higher cushion height gradually reduced
Huh... I hadn't thought of that. Just what I needed, something to try. Thanks peek.

Again, sorry for rudeness, just frustrated with a Long-standing barrier.

>>40313553
>follow his path all the way if I can. That requires a lot long sitting times.
Gotcha - fair enough. I'm very glad you've found a teacher whose words resonate with you. I am most aligned with the Vedic path (Vedanta) so my view of meditation and the path of knowledge will reveal itself as a bias.

>makes meditation cloudy
Yeah, never understood what benefit people get from """meditating""" on their backs. To me it triggers a sleep response even if I'm wired.

With respect to the adjustable height cushion, that's my go-to when I don't use a chair. I've tried all the meme meditation cushions and stuff to prop your knees/ankles up and the rolled/folded towel method still is my favorite because it is so easy to do anywhere and can be adjusted based on how stiff you are on any given day.

Glad I could be of some help - best of luck to you in all your endeavors! I hope you'll check back in after a few weeks on the cortisol reduction stuff, should you choose to pursue it.

>>40313790
>I hope you'll check back in after a few weeks on the cortisol reduction stuff, should you choose to pursue it
Unfortunately I'm pretty broke. I need to save for a car so I can get out of my situation, I feel like that will have a far greater impact on cortisol, not feeling as trapped.

I've saved your post though so when I'm more financially pliable I'll start looking into them. Which of the two should I get first?

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>>40313879
first get phosphatidylserine. no doubt.
aztimer111 gmail. I might have an extra bottle I can send you.

Also I figure I ask since I can tell you are serious about the spiritual path. Are you eating well? I remember some of the intense practice I did led me to months on end of eating very sparingly (on the order of 1 meal/day), preferring to spend the day/time in meditation/study. It teaches you a lot about the body. Not necessarily healthy lessons, but you can experience mini-deaths along the way. In those deaths you find that happiness is born of mental silence. You can celebrate death, because you are that which lies beyond death (as well) and your enjoyment/bliss is beyond life and death - it is their very support.

Is there a lot of importance placed on the samAdhI-abhyAsa (practice of samAdhI or abiding in the nirvana experience) in your school? It is a beautiful thing. Takes time to train the mind to abide, but how worth it! But this too can not be the end (because/for it ends).

But what cannot be avoided is that in these practices your body operates by the same rules as everyone else's. Unless you intentionally pursue the siddhI-mArga (path of spiritual attainments/abilities) and attain some level of ability in its practice, your body has to deal with the same conditionings that the other ones do. I noticed that some of the dietary choices I made in terms of macros and micros and most of all quantity may have just put the body in a severely malnourished state. Lost a ton of fat and what little of muscle I had at the time. Anyways, in the end, all hardship and pain can be viewed as recompense for some past sin if needed. I cannot even say that I regretted it. But I did notice that it was the start or at least catalyst for some of the hypogonadism symptoms to become very pronounced.

Do you have a libido?

tallfag here.

Kept reading tren makes tall guys stringy or something.

Going to run dhb with test, considering the above would a small amount of tren be good, or nandrolone be better?

>>40314033
You might want to get onto one of the new threads. This one is not going to be viewed by anyone other than this anon I'm talking to I think.

Maybe post on both because it's not clear to me if there's a winner in terms of which one is going to be kept.

>>40314020
Sent you an email.

Appreciate the interest in my well being,. It's very refreshing. Don't need you to send me stuff though, I'm already'enhanced', save it for another who may need it more desperately.

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>>40307682
1 hand
>Full head of hair
>Shit facial hair line
>Normie gains
>Normie tinder
>Normie muscles
>Normie

Other hand
>Bigger/stronger/faster
>Slays tinder
>Can throw normies around in sets of 10
>B-bu-bu-but your hair falls out
If it's all about looking pretty to you anon stay normie and stay DYEL.