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SHEIKO & DIETMAR PROGRAMS

Sheiko Programs:

>Beginner (/plg/ internet exclusive)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cfn4wy-9lc3mO5ObkoBU_Bf2GUtkr42gCyZS_hzeD4I/

>Intermediate Small Load (/plg/ internet exclusive)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A8YmCRV8hL4VFdMtuSzNAM_0wjPF4lj1HxHFEnMVers/

>Intermediate Medium Load
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18nIdEHDGktGptKsWDQzowXkmHeM6XGMFj-TnGdQKLmY/

>Intermediate Large Load
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1htZVT7ltLYVBSB3Uh9PQKqARitj46IEgihbo3Uu04P0/

>Advanced Small Load (/plg/ internet exclusive)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12NUdKocJ2GnpjFXei-N_doL7NM6aT-LwulkS8LQwGEk/

>Advanced Medium Load
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Yt4THa8mZNR81aUcgDVgdqTpc3GiAKLenx3Z7id0yE/

>Advanced Large Load
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akqwfO1und1UI1zvnwK9KIMeJ-r0TLjYJMxi2cTp84c/

Dietmar Programs (translated by c’’,)):

>New to competitions:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/176C50p67VaRiFYuDqGctTVRbgXcvejVea4GrZDg4RmA/

>Veteran competitive:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/197wVbzGyE5MWvP1KB4u6rsJX30uAmgeVxJvTV74sVc8/

>Guide for competitive programs:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzE9F9Z7GkwLSHl5UWt2Z09LVE0/view?ths=true

>Volume program:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YbmVOCBKbY8bDOVjO5lNThwKOkthaHi1sX0o6PsixJc/

>Volume program: (by Haugen)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BWu8oSQ9htB91Yjo6pP5XX8qrk-mbUNax_rvEcEf4H8/

>Guide for volume program:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzE9F9Z7GkwLYkVmb3prYWt1OWM/view?ths=true

>>40251457
>Stop fucking arguing edition
"no"

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I think I get ya. Thnx

>TFW have to skip squats because right knee hurts like a motherfucker when I squat
WTF did I do wrong? What do? I think it's the patellar tendon but why would I only get it in one knee?

5th for trappy is fucking gay lmao

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i'd just like to repost this:
>>although I have not actually ever driven a car and instead shitpost and dress up like a girl for popularity so people can take my advice which builds a pseudo platform of authority when I really just read SS, watched a few youtube videos and then gave advice out of my ass relying on the previous actions

you know, i wouldn't mind trappy if he just fucking toned down on the amount of dicks he sucks. His advice is sound and he did up all those spreadsheets. but honestly, your bumhole is like 3 meters wide trappy

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>>40251503

>I think it's the patellar tendon

If it's quad tendinitis, you need to give it some rest. If the inflammation is recent, use some ice to calm it down (and maybe ibuprofen if the pain is too big and limiting), and let it rest. Keep it immobile.

If the early stage of the inflammation has passed, you can use heat to help with relaxing and recoverying, eccentric-only squats, fish/krill oil, stretching, and resting. :)

>why would I only get it in one knee

Because your knees are not directly connected together.

>>40251529
But it ONLY hurts when I'm squatting. Feels 100% fine the rest of the time so is it still worth taking anti inflammatory measures?

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>>40251554

>Feels 100% fine the rest of the time so is it still worth taking anti inflammatory measures?

Ibuprofen? No.
The rest of the things I mentioned? Yes. If it is the quad tendon. If the issue is something else, the approach needed is different.

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Anyone have experience with GZCL training method? Thoughts?

Im tired.

Should i deadlift today? Its so heavy.

My back hurts.

I shouldnt deadlift today right?

>>40251560
How can I pinpoint what the issue is then?

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>>40251527
Always was a rare pepe

>>40251572

Look at the picture in the post :)

>>40251576
>:)
fucking bi-polar this guy, i swear

>>40251576
Yeah it's pain in the front then
What do EXACTLY?

>>40251612

Right at the patella? Or above the knee?
Above the knee is quad tendinitis.
If it's right in the patella, it's probably patellofemoral pain syndrome. >>40251529 (pic)

How come the vast majority of powerlifting oriented programs, including sheiko, almost entirely neglect rows and pullups? Shouldn't you balance horizontal and vertical pushing and pulling?

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>Someone who has experience has no advantage than someone who has no experience

t. trappy himself.

>>40251609

the fucking madman

>>40251208
Weight class meme'ing

>hurr durr as 6'4 lifter you have to be sub 120 class

>>40251643
The post you linked is quad tendinitis but I have patellofemoral pain syndrome and it doesn't say what to do for that help :(

>>40251656
Just learn to drive a car with someone who never drove before, trust me you dumb fuck

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>>40251656

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

>>40251678

Sorry, PPS is a more complicated issue.
Let me finish lunch and I'll get back to ya.

>>40251754
Fuck my life

>>40251489
load fast, pupper

>>40251760

Don't worry, it's a common issue and not that hard to recover from (literally just resting can do it, though it's obviously not the fastest approach).

>>40251754
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_disorder

look mom. i can google shit too

>>40251733
tee hee i play with my pee pee

>>40251643
>patellofemoral pain syndrome
I have had this for years to varying degrees of severity. Whenever there's a volume phase, time to peak, or just general overuse from physical activity, I rub diclofenac gel on it and pretend it's ok - then, it doesn't ache so, but I can still feel the ligaments' presence like a stiff rubber band.

>>40251783
I mean they might not drove a car or have driving licence, but they read a lot of car magazines and seen people drive before, stop bully tranny

>>40251782
OK that's good
I'll up my fish oil intake from 2 tablets to 8 a day and start foam rolling until you get back to me

>>40251800
>>40251804
>>40251806
Let's pretend we don't exist

Let's pretend we're in Antarctica

Maybe I'll never die I'll just keep growing younger and you'll grow younger too!

>>40251569
Hello guys?

Please tell me about how responsible it would be to have a rest day, how good rest days are, how you can only grow when you rest, etc.

CMON

>tfw trappy orbiter
>tfw getting annoyed at her obnoxiousness
w-was this part of her master plan?

>>40251754
Read the argument, pick the statements which I organized and numbered, and substantiate your fucking claims with logic.

This is so fun.

heres a new slam jam for you guys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uints81YYMc

I recommend playing while reading my posts
YU WA SHA
>Yes, that's a fallacy. It's explaining the fallacy
nigga do you understand how I just displayed how you are making that fallacy

are you this dense

just admit youre drunk and we'll leave you alone

>Can you give it any scientific or logical backing?
I gave it logical backing, I will link to the post >>40251609 >>40251522 >>40251237

this are numbered and organized, their form is valid and sound

Its like I have you on a full front mount position with my knees pinning your arms down and I am on the brink of fracturing your skull and you exclaim "youre not even fighting"

>>40251824
Every day
ALL DAY

YOU CANT FUCKING STOP ME

>>40251824
Go and lift you sorry sack of shit

>>40251567
reddit is a better place to ask about that, seems consistently good from what I've heard.

>>40251824
Why does your back hurt?

Trappy
>hurr durr your post must be powerlifting related!!!!!!!!

>let me just attach soft core anime porn to all my posts

>>40251832
Seconding this.

She's been getting more and more obnoxious lately in everything.

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>>40251824
ask trappy. i'm sure he's fucking googled that before

>>40251489
load fast pupper

>>40251824
some muscle groups recover in a 1-3 day range

your body can adapt and learn to recover faster* within limitations

motor learning happens when you sleep, and igf-1 is at its highest when you sleep, on top of your how CNS recovers when you sleep.

skip sleep for 3 days and try and pick up 70% daedlift and tell me how it feels

I can go into more detail but Im busy unloading on a faggot

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>>40251835

>Read the argument, pick the statements which I organized and numbered, and substantiate your fucking claims with logic

Ok, but I'm still waiting for you to substantiate your claims.

>>40251832

I've always told you that you are idealising who I am.

>>40251845

>porn

It's by definition not porn.

>>40251853
Doing gods work

>>40251857

Gentle reminder to just ignore the baitposts.

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In for best coach

What was the worst day of your guys life's

Mine was when DRUMPF was elected president

Failed all my sets I cried so much

If anybody else has tips about dealing with patellofemoral pain syndrome feel free to help
Sabre u here?

>>40251857
programmes, magazine, books, etc. that are regarded as emphasizing the sensuous or sensational aspects of a non-sexual subject and stimulating a compulsive interest in their audience:

Its porn

Kys

>>40251857
>Ok, but I'm still waiting for you to substantiate your claims.

You are a massive hypocrite. Pls stop.

>>40251839
Hello, i think you missed the fact that i was tired my friend

>>40251841
That is a good question. I guess i tried too hard last deadlift session.
And then earlier today i had to move some heavy shit around and then it didn't feel too good.
It feels fine now though.

But deadlifting might be too taxing now for my poor lower back, especially if i try hard!

>>40251853
Good, good, gooood. I should sleep right?

>>40251284
Me: If you have never squatted before and use the objectively best information to teach a squat, someone who has squatted more than you will still have an advantage.

You: That's a fallacy.
Stopped reading there.

>I never claimed that, though.
>I never even claimed that you are right or wrong.

>yfw trappy's deadlift PR involvs lifting a goalpost
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts

can you explain the biomechanics of leg function when back peddaling?
I would think your quads would get tired being in a stretch position on your knees all day sucking dick, and now youre pushing backwards. Look out for patellar tendonitis.

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>>40251867

I mean, I'm ignoring pretty much every bait.

Or are you talking about the people who want to argue about lateral raises or about training experience?

>>40251881

>sensuous or sensational aspects

So girls in regular clothing doing nothing in particular is now = porn because it gives you a boner?

lol

Either define what "sensuous or sensational aspects" mean, or accept that it's a non-definition.

>Me: If you have never squatted before and use the objectively best information to teach a squat, someone who has squatted more than you will still have an advantage.

>You: That's a fallacy

That's not the only thing you claimed. (even though you wish it was)

>>40251857
List every claim you want substantiated and provide a counter for how you contest it.

"I never said you are wrong"
"Im still waiting to substantiate your claims"

>>40251867
Gentle reminder to not tell trappy what to do

>>40251901
>If you have never squatted before and use the objectively best information to teach a squat, someone who has squatted more than you will still have an advantage.

How can you have advantage over something which is "objectively the best"?

>>40251567
That shit looks over complicated just to "add more reps" to a weight "you already do". Just another internet wonderprogram.

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>>40251867
trappy is literally a bait himself

>know's he's fucked in the head
>takes pleasure in winning internet arguments
>just googles everything
>absolutely insistent in keeping up his 'online persona'

he's probably a fat fucking neckbeard irl

>>40251909

>List every claim you want substantiated

These
>1. Someone who does X once will have am advantage of experience over someone who has never done it
>2. someone who does X very well and has experience will do something better than someone who has only done X once
>3. + someone who has more experience will have an advantage over someone who has no experience

.

>and provide a counter for how you contest it.

Don't worry, I will. Once you substantiate your arguments.

>>40251908
>I mean, I'm ignoring pretty much every bait.
>Or are you talking about the people who want to argue about lateral raises or about training experience?


You responded to this>>40251845

You're doin pretty good tho, just keep it up.

>>40251908
You are actually insane. That was the Oxford dictionary definition. The worlds most regarded English dictionary.

Provocative pictures of bulges, scenes with a sexual nature, erotic clothing, erotic positions and erotic scantily dressed bodies is soft porn.

I can't define that. I didn't write that definition, it's from the best English dictionary there is.

>>40251867
get a load of this fag

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>>40251931
this is literally you. you're literally jason blaha

>>40251892
yes, and eat.

muscles like calves and arms, usually smaller muscles that are not in the core, recover pretty quickly.

your lats recover quickly sometimes too, depending on the stress, so your erectors.

think of it like this
>how often do you use your chest?
>compared to calves and muscles that keep your posture up?
>muscles like calves and postural muscles have higher slow twitch ratios of muscle fibers because they cant just fatigue and give up
>ergo they recover better, but might be worse at force production comparatively

as always, ask for more details if you want them

>>40251935
You're such a cuck. Genuinely hope you kill yourself.

Everybody ignores you because nobody likes you lmao

>>40251649
Pull-ups are a bodyweight exercise, which doesn't work well for heavy powerlifters. Rows fall into Lat accessories, which some guys will pass if they're deadlifting and benching enough.

>>40251953
This Poutine you're a fucking freak desu lad. Thought you were one of the boys

Why is trappy so selfish? Why is it all had to revole around him?

>>40251867
Back up his argument then or point out how mine is bad, assuming youre calling me bait.

>>40251935
i've just lost all respect for poo-teeny

>>40251892

I think you should go train, especially if your program calls for it. Pop a caffeine pill and get to it.

If you like trappy you should genuinely kill yourself

>>40251953

I like Pooptine, he seems like a nice lad who would I would like to get a beer with.

>>40251975
Cuck

>>40251970
>tfw no programm

According to /plg/ one should only deadlift once a week.
But its only been 6 days.

But i don't squat.
So maybe i can deadlift more often than once a week.

But maybe not.

my deadlift form is fine with low weight (2pl8)

getting anywhere near my 5rm (3pl8) makes my hips rise too fast, and i basically good morning the bar with varying degrees of cat back

do i just stick to low weight until i have it right?
now matter how carefully i setup, it always happens

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trappy is literally blaha, they're both mentally unhinged

blaha:
>constantly lies about who he was
>googled everything and became his own internet guru


trappy:
>think's he's a girl
>googled everything and became his own internet guru

>>40251963

I pointed out the conflict in your argument here: >>40251924


I understand that experience can be a good thing to look for when seeking advice, but just because you squat (as used in your example), doesn't mean you have all the knowledge at hand, and just because you don't squat doesn't mean you don't have a very technical and useful understanding of he movement.

Don't base your counter argument on "how can you know, you've never done it" because it holds very little merit. I'm not even entirely certain what you two are even debating, as it's transformed into some pretty childish bickering.

Fuck I just turned gay

>>40251999
It's your setup, get gud

>>40252007
Aren't you the guy who always defends lol fed lifters who give shit advice with the retort that 'hurr they total twice as much as you I think they might know something'
And now you're arguing the opposite
Because you're a fucking retard cuckold

>>40251999

So my rule of thumb is that if your hips shoot up, you're setting your hips up too low to begin with and that will pull you out of position. Stay with the current weight, and next time get a buddy to film you, or prop your camera up on a box, while lifting so we can take a look and diagnose the problem better.

>>40251993
>joegramming

If you're gonna Joegram then, I think you should do whatever feels best. An idea may be to do some low weight variations, or pulls from blocks?

>>40251975

I do like beer.

>>40251835
>I've always told you that you are idealising who I am.
I-im sure you don't act like this with friends or in real life
This is just your internet persona

>>40251931

you just said you didnt disagree with me, and with 3+ arguments staring you in the face, you then say you will disagree with me once it is substantiated

do you know what inductive reasoning is? you link a lot of fallacies and youre really just doing the ol' deductive versus inductive

1. Your argument is inductive
2. inductive is not deductive
3. if your argument is not deductive, you are wrong

your stupidity makes me grow stronger

I will try and scour the earth for a study that either has
>children teaching adults
>someone who is blind teaching someone how to use a fire arm
>someone who has never driven a car teaching someone how to drive
>someone who is a virgin giving tips on sex

but I dont think anyone would get a grant for research for that BECAUSE ITS SO FUCKING RETARDED

Ill just link teaching efficacy studies

but its not accurate, because when a teacher teaches math, english... THEY HAVE DONE IT BEFORE

you fail to realize you can stand on the shoulders of giants but you cant claim yourself to be a giant on top of their shoulders?

you realize PT stands for physical therapist? this is an appeal to authority... but that is also inductive reasoning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

I am so Dunn(ing kruger) with you

>>40252007
The point is, a powerlifting coach who doesn't lift, compete, have a gym, have a team is basically the worst coach you could listen to, especially if that person may be a 110lb boy who wishes he was a girl.

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>tfw haven't read a single post of this argument

>>40252035
My deadlift is terribly shit, i deadlift below 4 pl8 as a 240 lbs lifter.

According to anything i have ever seen i should be able to slap 5kg onto the bar every fucking week easily.

Thinking about this i am actually mad now and i should go lift and try harder.
There are girls half my size lifting more lel

To vanish into oblivion
it's easy to do and I try to be but you know me

I come back when you want me to

DO YOU MISS ME , MISS MISERY
LIKE YOU SAY YOU DO?

>>40251871
Me to

orange cheeto doo doo head! i hate trumpettes!

>>40252049
Get on a program

>>40252031
>Aren't you the guy who always defends lol fed lifters

I think this may be shocking to you, but listening to all people, and evaluating their advice on an individual basis is a really good habit to have.

Don't deal in absolutes, friend. That's one way to shut yourself off from a lot of helpful advice.

I will reiterate

Experience != Knowledge
No Experience != No Knowledge

They are neither mutually inclusive, nor exclusive.

>>40252007
>but just because you squat (as used in your example), doesn't mean you have all the knowledge at hand, and just because you don't squat doesn't mean you don't have a very technical and useful understanding of he movement.

no, this is dumb. everyone knows first hand experience is better than second hand experience.

first hand experience has more depth. whereas second hand experience is "don't fall off the cliff"

>>40252063
WHAT THE FUCK is wrong with you
You're contradicting yourself with every post! Sheesh

>>40251944
Yeah but would I let blaha suck my donk?

>>40252049
Probably short arms. I was the same, finally fixed my deadlift with maxing.

Just add 2.5kg and max out once or twice a week, maybe do a back off set of 10 SGDL too.

Don't add more than 2.5kg at a time, you won't be able to. 2.5kg is the most you can add, but you'll rarely miss the rep.

If you fall the rep, just try again next week.

>>40252037
why am I replied to here.

>>40251924
never say a (you) so I skimmed by it

Its very easy if you think about it
(Nurburgring is a german race track)

Person A: Experience for X years, has driven nurburgring and has WON races there uses objectively best information and has TESTED IT
Person B: has never driven a car but wants to show you how to drive stick in rain conditions on Nurburgring with a 90% tint after huffing air cans for an hour and recieving several blows to the head with a cynder block having never driven a car, with the objective best information

who do you choose to teach you


shitposting aside

experience != objective best information

someone with experience + best info > someone who reads best info

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I LOVE PAUL DOMINIQUE AND I DON'T CARE WHO KNOWS!

>>40252091
thats paul? i thought he'd be bigger

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Gonna post some sad huskoos cause I like em

I love doggos, they are the nicest and loviest animals on this entire planet

>>40252049

Maybe time for a proper program, lad. Doesn't need to be Sheiko, or 5/3/1, but something consistent and enjoyable to you. You'll get strong. I believe.

>>40252044

Be it resolved that a lifter with no experience but with heaps of technical knowledge is a worse coach than a lifter with Lots of experience, but no technical knowledge.

Please present your arguments.

>>40252063
We are literally attacking trappy for dealing in absolutes and how he is shutting out helpful advice.

Nobody, EVER asserted
experience = knowledge

ever
I chose my words VERY CAREFULLY AND STATED SO TO HELP WITH YOUR READING COMPREHENSION

go get your morning coffee mate, youre fucking slow

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>>40252091
I love Paul 2

>>40252038
>I am so Dunn(ing kruger) with you

HO HO HOLY FUCK THAT WAS GOOD

Oh my god, mad props for that, man jesus fuck that was a killer pun.

>>40252007
my OG premise is here

"If you have never squatted before and use the objectively best information to teach a squat, someone who has squatted more than you will still have an advantage."


>>40251237


this, ladies and gentlemen, is a strawman

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you guys are all a bunch of fucking losers.

i'm outta here

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>tfw you arent cuddlin a big ol doggo

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>>40251649

>Shouldn't you balance horizontal and vertical pushing and pulling?

Nope.
That's kind of a meme*. Which explains why most actual programs don't do it

*: It doesn't mean horizontal/vertical pulling are memes (they aren't), it simply means that balancing them with the rest of your routine is a meme.

>>40251503
>>40251554
>>40251612
>>40251678

First thing to mention is, PFPS is still kind of a mystery when it comes to its causes (we have a few good hypothesis but nothing entirely conclusive so far).
Which means, the treatment for it is in general conservative (lots of resting).

The first thing is, PFPS may have been caused by overuse. In this case, you need some rest first. Same things apply from the inflammation recommendations: heat, immobilization, rest for a week or so, fish/krill oil.

One of the most important parts to getting rid of PFPS is strengthening the quad muscles. And we have to do so in a way that does not trigger you pain.
Here's what I suggest:
- Bulgarian Split Squats (3/4 of the focus)
- Highbar squats ECCENTRIC-only (1/4 of the focus)
You can use tape or braces to help stabilize your knee

Another part is avoiding things that make the symptoms worse.
For example, avoid:
- Sitting with bent knees for a long time
- Highbar/lowbar/front squatting

>>40252038

>you just said you didnt disagree with me

I didn't say that. Again, stop creating strawmen.
I said I don't agree nor disagree until you substantiate your claims.

>you then say you will disagree with me once it is substantiated

I will provide my arguments and claims
Whether I will agree or not with you is yet to be seen, once you substantiate your claims

You are going to substantiate your claims, right?
Or are you just wasting everyone's time?

I'm starting to think it's the second option

If your next post does not either:
- substantiate your claims
- give up on the debate since you can't substantiate your claims
I'm filtering you and not responding to any more of your baits

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>>40252129

>>40252063
But that's on a case by case basis with surrounding context. And it's also taking in the favors for trappy and assuming the other knows fucking nothing about lifting besides doing them himself.

Completely devoid of context, would you rather listen to the guy who squats, or the guy who reads about squatting?


And even including context, would you rather listen to Boardshorts about lifting or would you rather listen to Trappy?

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>>40252116
>>40252116
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AANP4qDLVM

What is love and why does it feel bad

>>40252062
>>40252077
>>40252102
My proportions are indeed horrible, i am almost parallel to the floor even in sumo, yes.
But thats not an excuse for such a terrible deadlift.

I actually just never actually deadlifted. I spent ages trying to find out why my conventional hurts my back and how i can fix it, stretch, what the fuck ever.

The time I have been actually deadlifting is maybe 2-3 months.

Meanwhile i took my squats to 4pl8, and then realized that my knees are fucked despite proper form.
Haha, I'm easily the worst lifter on here.

>>40252087
>someone with experience + best info > someone who reads best info

Ok, now THIS I obviously agree with. But (in response to >>40252104) you clearly state that your distilled argument is that "If you have never squatted before and use the objectively best information to teach a squat, someone who has squatted more than you will still have an advantage." In that statement, the implications I drew, as you didn't specify the amount of technical knowledge the second (more experienced) example had, was that experience>knowledge, which is simply not true. I however agree that Experience+Knowledge >Knowledge, and I acknowledge that Knowledge and Experience tend to grow together. This all being said, it is silly to discredit anything presented, simply because the presenter lacks experience, ESPECIALLY as you have claimed that Trappy pulls their advice from "giants".

Just in the future, consider attacking Trappy's source, instead of their person. Ya dig? When we debate ideas, and not personalities we garner a respectful discussion which can lead to an increase in knowledge and better /plg/ health.

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>>40252144
>or the guy who reads about squatting?
yes but trappy talks like it's coming out of his fucking ass.

he should say "This person says this" "this other person says this"

not

"this is the way it is"

he needs a fucking reality check and he needs to realise he isn't the fucking be all end all.

his only purpose here is that he googles everything so that those who lift, DON'T HAVE TO!

>>40252169
no I am. I took 3 years to get 1/2/3/4

>>40252169
just post formchecks friend

>>40252183
male?

>>40252132
http://www.livescience.com/21569-deduction-vs-induction.html

here you go

https://www.carnegiefoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/beginners_in_classroom.pdf

>>40252144
>would you rather listen to the guy who squats, or the guy who reads about squatting?

So my point, is that you should probably listen to both, and perhaps that both will provide you with knowledge that you can apply to your own training.

>>40252169

Get some videos our way, lad; we'll do our best to set you on the right path.

>>40252179
Agreed. I'm just giving the example friend.

>>40252191
Yes

Let's NOT talk about it

>>40252174
that was my OG assertion

dont ever talk to me or my argument's son ever again

what does /plg/ think of canditos 6 week program, just finished the first week and not sure how it's gonna work out.

>>40252209

Then I missed it, and you allowed your argument to devolve into "NUH UH".

Do better. I believe this was all about Trapezius involvement in trap raises? I think it's time we returned to that.

>>40252174
this is in response to
futa chan telling me that the statement you agree with is a fallacy.

how do I sage on blue boards last time I was on /fit/ zyzz was alive

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>>40252193

>if something IS TRUE of a class of things in general, it is also true for all members of that class

>For deductive reasoning to be sound, the HYPOTHESIS MUST BE CORRECT

>deductive inference conclusions are certain provided the PREMISES ARE TRUE

So you want me to assume your premise is true without you being able to prove it or provide any logic that shows it is true?
Or what?

>https://www.carnegiefoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/beginners_in_classroom.pdf

Sorry, I gave it a look and I didn't see anything related to your arguments.
Can you do actual citations along with your arguments?
Follow the method taught in university, you know, the one used for actual debating.

>>40252222

Good for squats and deadlifts. Not very good for the bench.

>>40252231
which statments do you disagree with?

this is the 5th time I have said my argument is inductive. you are really stupid.

>>40252231
the study is about how inexperienced teachers are related to low test scores affirming that someone who is inexperienced at teaching is worse than someone with more experience.

the sad thing is, teachers have done the things theyve taught.

youve never done it.

I understand this is literally all you have going for you and I hope this brings a emotional catharsis and you go get a job and stop injecting estrogen and slowly killing yourself

Where is Esmeralda

>>40252231
>>40252250


Jesus hell, this is like two old men who started out debating what kind of bird they saw, and it turning into a discussion over the ocular nerve and how it's to be used.

I'm out to go squat. You two better be done bickering when I'm back.

>>40252231
>Not very good for the bench.
I've heard this, but what does this mean exactly? Do people typically stall on bench on it, or is it more like the bench gains arent as good as the squat and dead gains?

>>40252262
>go get a job and stop injecting estrogen and slowly killing yourself

his mental state is beyond repair and he's already fucked his body so much it'll never turn back.

he's a dead man. sad really

>>40252231
Id also like to point how you copy pasted from the top of the article and if you had read the entire thing, would have seen the err of your ways.

I wonder how often you read something off t nation and only read the title.


absence of evidence ! = evidence of absence

this is childs play

>>40252204
Agreed. The problem arises when the person who has only read about something attacks everything that doesn't fit into his viewpoint and *knows* he's right.

And that's the underlying point here in this argument.

If I wasn't positive about something, or lacked the required first world experience, I would throw my two cents in but I would be prepared to discuss it until my 2 cents wasn't worth as much as it was before. I wouldn't ram in there like I had a gun in a gaybar. I would be prepared to be wrong or maybe even right while listening to others. I wouldn't assume I'm right and anything else I (mis)read was incorrect and there's no way around it.

People don't hate trappy because he's a tranny. People hate him because he's an egotistical prick who passes off anything he reads as the gospel. He's no different than Apple shills who think iphones are the best thing ever because they read a blog or two.

And that's what you have to understand. They attack trappy for being a tranny because he's annoying as shit, not just because he's a tranny. You can't control how people feel about him because it comes from their own interactions.

Kind of went off on a rant there, but essentially, as long as trappy keeps up his holier than though attitude, this will keep happening.

>>40252279
you literally chimed in and got piledrived and now youre calling it bickering.

NOW THIS IS BACKPEDDALING

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>>40252250

>Even if all of the premises are true in a statement, inductive reasoning allows for the conclusion to be false. Here’s an example: "Harold is a grandfather. Harold is bald. Therefore, all grandfathers are bald." The conclusion does not follow logically from the statements.

With that said, let's go over your argument:

>1. Someone who does X once will have am advantage of experience over someone who has never done it
>2. someone who does X very well and has experience will do something better than someone who has only done X once
>3. + someone who has more experience will have an advantage over someone who has no experience

This is assuming the only way of learning X is by directly experiencing X.
For instance, following your logic, the only way of learning about lung cancer is by having lung cancer.
As you can see, the logic doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Do you have anything else you want to add? Or are you done?

>>40252281

Volume for the bench press is too low.
What most people suggest is mixing c6w with the bench workouts of Sheiko.

its 2017

let the tranny live in his delusion

i mean
2
0
1
7

>when nobody listens to the OP

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I may have made a mistake.

We'll see in about 20 minutes.

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>>40252299
>This is assuming the only way of learning X is by directly experiencing X.
>For instance, following your logic, the only way of learning about lung cancer is by having lung cancer.
>As you can see, the logic doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
>Do you have anything else you want to add? Or are you done?

I haven't seen someone BTFO someone else this hard since last year.
Checked.

>>40252287
>as long as trappy keeps up his holier than though attitude, this will keep happening.

i can only feel sorry for him. the human condition can be a very sad thing sometimes.

>>40252322
>replying to your own messages as anon

thats a new low, even for you trappy

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trappy. the most hated man on /fit/

bring back the mong!

>>40252299
Sigh

1. Harold is bald
2. harold is a grandfather
3. all grandfathers are bald

1. P -> Q
2. P -> S
3. Q - > S
invalid, unsound, fallacy.

now, my argument

>1. Someone who does X once will have am advantage of experience over someone who has never done it
P - > Q
>2. someone who does X very well and has experience will do something better than someone who has only done X once
+P - > +Q
>3. + someone who has more experience will have an advantage over someone who has no experience
P -> Q


go take a introductory logic and reasoning class.

Im literally using 2 statement arguments.

>>40252299
>This is assuming the only way of learning X is by directly experiencing X.
never, ever, ever said that.

strawman.
I said
"Someone who has experience had an advantage over someone with no experience"

>>40252091
unironically more attractive than felipe

>>40251567
It's lit

Cody is a beast and his youtube content is bretty good

His programs are good too

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told my coach i couldn't keep training at his expensive gym because i couldn't find a job.

he treats me like i'm not important and doesn't even acknowledge me anymore.

wtf's his problem?

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>>40252351

Sure, but I was just quoting the article to make it easier to re-check if necesssary.

You missed the point of my actual argument.

>This is assuming the only way of learning X is by directly experiencing X.
>For instance, following your logic, the only way of learning about lung cancer is by having lung cancer.
>As you can see, the logic doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Do you have anything else to add?

>>40252360

>never, ever, ever said that.
>"Someone who has experience had an advantage over someone with no experience"

Then you argument is poorly constructed.

Here's your logic:

>1. Someone who does lateral raises once will have am advantage of experience over someone who has never done it
>2. someone who does lateral raises "very well" (dubious term) and has experience will do something "better" (dubious term) than someone who has only done lateral raises once
>3. + someone who has more experience will have an advantage over someone who has no experience

1: Is true.
2: Is false. If I have a coach with me telling me how to do a squat, I can perform a squat with better technique than someone who has done squats for a week before me but has never had help from a coach or learned about technique in any way. In fact, the person who has been squatting for a week might have a bunch of issues with technique, including actual pain.
3: Is true.

Number 2 is where you assumed the only way of learning about something is to experience it.
As you can see, it's a bad assumption that can easily be disproven.

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>>40252091
>paul will never embrace you in his hairy arms and whisper in your ear "everything will be alright"

Ñīggēr

>>40252388
it is a business and he cant work for free

I sadly think deep down you are an anon that I trained and he had to leave due to finances.

I aim to only train my clients 1x a month once the are comfortable and willing to train on their own

I have a sat/sun seminar type deal where people will be able to train for free if
1. 1 referal per year
2. 4 social media posts per year
3. proof of low income
4. you HAVE TO PARTICIPATE IN MY SCIENTIFIC STUDIES I DO AT THE UNI

im making kids do sled training and seeing it influence sprint performance

Ī lōvē bēīñg āblē tō sāy ñīggēr

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>>40252414
i never asked him to train me for free. he offered me free gym membership and i turned him down.

i don't see why he can't just talk to me like a normal person. I know how to train and i've been doing it for years before i entered his gym

Has anybody else realized that trappy hoards and posts nothing but 2d traps in an effort to make her mental illness seem more commonplace than it really is in hope of comforting herself?

>>40252404
>you missed the point
>repeats self and doesnt make a point

uh huh

>>1. Someone who does lateral raises once will have am advantage of experience over someone who has never done it
>2. someone who does lateral raises "very well" (dubious term) and has experience will do something "better" (dubious term) than someone who has only done lateral raises once
>3. + someone who has more experience will have an advantage over someone who has no experience

what the fuck are you even talking about.

I never argued this.

but, thanks for playing and back peddlaing, this is some really creative damage control.

>3. + someone who has more experience will have an advantage over someone who has no experience
>3: Is true.
is all that matters

me : 1
you; brink of suicide


you also made a straw man

a correct 2 statement from the OTHER ANON THAT ARGUED IT WOULD BE

2: someone who does lateral raises more than once will have an advantage over someone who has never done them

damn, youre really a subhuman with poor reading comprehension

its like, you read a post, and the probable chance of you having skitzophrenia comorbid with gender dysphoria (70-80% liklihood) is obviously changing your autobiogrpahical narrative.

so what color is the sky in your world?

>>40252404
>YOU MISSED THE POINT
>REPEATS SELF AND DOESNT MAKE A POINT

UH HUH

>>1. SOMEONE WHO DOES LATERAL RAISES ONCE WILL HAVE AM ADVANTAGE OF EXPERIENCE OVER SOMEONE WHO HAS NEVER DONE IT
>2. SOMEONE WHO DOES LATERAL RAISES "VERY WELL" (DUBIOUS TERM) AND HAS EXPERIENCE WILL DO SOMETHING "BETTER" (DUBIOUS TERM) THAN SOMEONE WHO HAS ONLY DONE LATERAL RAISES ONCE
>3. + SOMEONE WHO HAS MORE EXPERIENCE WILL HAVE AN ADVANTAGE OVER SOMEONE WHO HAS NO EXPERIENCE

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT.

I NEVER ARGUED THIS.

BUT, THANKS FOR PLAYING AND BACK PEDDLAING, THIS IS SOME REALLY CREATIVE DAMAGE CONTROL.

>3. + SOMEONE WHO HAS MORE EXPERIENCE WILL HAVE AN ADVANTAGE OVER SOMEONE WHO HAS NO EXPERIENCE
>3: IS TRUE.
IS ALL THAT MATTERS

ME : 1
YOU; BRINK OF SUICIDE


YOU ALSO MADE A STRAW MAN

A CORRECT 2 STATEMENT FROM THE OTHER ANON THAT ARGUED IT WOULD BE

2: SOMEONE WHO DOES LATERAL RAISES MORE THAN ONCE WILL HAVE AN ADVANTAGE OVER SOMEONE WHO HAS NEVER DONE THEM

DAMN, YOURE REALLY A SUBHUMAN WITH POOR READING COMPREHENSION

ITS LIKE, YOU READ A POST, AND THE PROBABLE CHANCE OF YOU HAVING SKITZOPHRENIA COMORBID WITH GENDER DYSPHORIA (70-80% LIKLIHOOD) IS OBVIOUSLY CHANGING YOUR AUTOBIOGRPAHICAL NARRATIVE.

SO WHAT COLOR IS THE SKY IN YOUR WORLD?

>>40252447
he also has hundreds of webms and pictures of lifters here and from other places on the internet.

i'd be careful about what you share on here. you never know what he might save

>>40252447 (YOU)
HE ALSO HAS HUNDREDS OF WEBMS AND PICTURES OF LIFTERS HERE AND FROM OTHER PLACES ON THE INTERNET.

I'D BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT YOU SHARE ON HERE. YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT HE MIGHT SAVE

>>40252434
then what's the problem, you had a business relationship, you terminated the business relationship

theres a reason you dont shit where you eat and fuck clients, you might have mistaken professional attitude and demeanor for being your pal

if hes not a faggot, confront him on it

good job trappy

you finally ruined /plg/

>>40252434
THEN WHAT'S THE PROBLEM, YOU HAD A BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP, YOU TERMINATED THE BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP

THERES A REASON YOU DONT SHIT WHERE YOU EAT AND FUCK CLIENTS, YOU MIGHT HAVE MISTAKEN PROFESSIONAL ATTITUDE AND DEMEANOR FOR BEING YOUR PAL

IF HES NOT A FAGGOT, CONFRONT HIM ON IT

>>40252467
>>40252456
now this is podracing

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>>40252480
>you might have mistaken professional attitude and demeanor for being your pal

HE SHOULDN'T HAVE SENT ME ALL THOSE MEMES AND JOKING TEXTS THEN

FUCK THAT GUY!

He broke my heart!

fucker squats 300kg!

>>40252467
>>40252485
Shut the fuck up trappy. You got btfo so hard that you're resorting to spamming now

Sick of replying in there:

>>40252426

I know how it hits traps. I never denied it hit traps. I admitted it hit traps. You cannot read.

The argument is that if you're hitting your traps way too hard doing lat raises, that you are doing something wrong with your form. You still haven't even tried to answer this as if the possibility existed.

And you're just copy and pasting your own answer. Maybe even wiki's for that matter.

So you think the main reason people do lat raises, is not for medial deltoids, but for traps, serratus, pec major, etc?

Are you literally that full of yourself that you can't admit that people do lat raises to hit their medial delts first and foremost? That they target their medial delts when they do lat raises?

Hell the whole reason this started was because the guy wasn't hitting his delts enough. You think he was targetting every muscle the lat raises hits instead?

For fuck's sake

SICK OF REPLYING IN THERE:

>>40252426 →

I KNOW HOW IT HITS TRAPS. I NEVER DENIED IT HIT TRAPS. I ADMITTED IT HIT TRAPS. YOU CANNOT READ.

THE ARGUMENT IS THAT IF YOU'RE HITTING YOUR TRAPS WAY TOO HARD DOING LAT RAISES, THAT YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOUR FORM. YOU STILL HAVEN'T EVEN TRIED TO ANSWER THIS AS IF THE POSSIBILITY EXISTED.

AND YOU'RE JUST COPY AND PASTING YOUR OWN ANSWER. MAYBE EVEN WIKI'S FOR THAT MATTER.

SO YOU THINK THE MAIN REASON PEOPLE DO LAT RAISES, IS NOT FOR MEDIAL DELTOIDS, BUT FOR TRAPS, SERRATUS, PEC MAJOR, ETC?

ARE YOU LITERALLY THAT FULL OF YOURSELF THAT YOU CAN'T ADMIT THAT PEOPLE DO LAT RAISES TO HIT THEIR MEDIAL DELTS FIRST AND FOREMOST? THAT THEY TARGET THEIR MEDIAL DELTS WHEN THEY DO LAT RAISES?

HELL THE WHOLE REASON THIS STARTED WAS BECAUSE THE GUY WASN'T HITTING HIS DELTS ENOUGH. YOU THINK HE WAS TARGETTING EVERY MUSCLE THE LAT RAISES HITS INSTEAD?

FOR FUCK'S SAKE

>>40252404
>the only way of learning about lung cancer is by having lung cancer.
yes the only way of learning truely how much pain that person is in is by having it

>>40252204
I posted squat videos back at the time where I was still trying to fix it.
No one found something.

By know i am quite sure that it's simply bad knee genetics and that I would have to visit a doctor for specific treatments if I wanted to keep squatting.

Which is definitely not worth it.

Hey /plg/, I am stuck with 70kg x3 on bench press for like month and a half. I lift for 5 months, although i made OHP to 50x5 and 55kg x1. I weight 72.5kg. I decided to start Sheiko next training. My lifts are:
squat 1x100kg
bench press 1x75kg
deadlift 1x110kg
ohp 1x55kg
Are those bad or good?

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>>40252450

>what the fuck are you even talking about.

>I never argued this.

It's literally what you wrote word for word, I only changed X to lateral raises and put " " and a note on dubious terms, which is besides the point.

>2. someone who does X very well and has experience will do something better than someone who has only done X once
>2. someone who does lateral raises very well and has experience will do lateral raises better than someone who has only done lateral raises once

It's literally the central piece of your argument.
But since I have disproven it, you're now trying to argue that your whole argument is just "having more experience is an advantage".

Which sure, is true.
But MEANINGLESS. It has no bearing on anything you have argued so far. It defends no points you've made so far. It's just a meaningless observation that provides no point.

But as I said, the third point is true.
Now if you want, you can construct an argument based on the third point. And we continue from there.
I will be waiting, but I'm sure it's pointless to, since you won't be able to construct anything meaningful from that.
I will be waiting, though.

>>40252404
>For instance, following your logic, the only way of learning about lung cancer is by having lung cancer.

Might be the absolute worst point I've ever seen. It's not even an extreme of the main point, it's just not applicable at all.

brb, asking a vegan how to cook my steak


https://reasonresources.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/argument-from-authority-non-fallacious/

if you cant read
Standards of Assessment
>1. The person has sufficient expertise in the subject matter in question.
you have never lifted
>2. The claim being made by the person is within her area(s) of expertise.
you have never lifted
>3. There is an adequate degree of agreement among the other experts in the subject in question.
not relevant
>4. The person in question is not significantly biased.
you have never lifted, and go off of reading, and anything contradictory is "wrong"
>5. The area of expertise is a legitimate area or discipline.
not relevant
>6. The authority in question must be identified.
you have 0 authority

>>40252557
>>>40252450
>>What The Fuck Are You Even Talking About.
>>I Never Argued This.
>It's Literally What You Wrote Word For Word, I Only Changed X To Lateral Raises And Put " " And A Note On Dubious Terms, Which Is Besides The Point.
>>2. Someone Who Does X Very Well And Has Experience Will Do Something Better Than Someone Who Has Only Done X Once
>>2. Someone Who Does Lateral Raises Very Well And Has Experience Will Do Lateral Raises Better Than Someone Who Has Only Done Lateral Raises Once
>It's Literally The Central Piece Of Your Argument.
>But Since I Have Disproven It, You're Now Trying To Argue That Your Whole Argument Is Just "Having More Experience Is An Advantage".
>Which Sure, Is True.
>But Meaningless. It Has No Bearing On Anything You Have Argued So Far. It Defends No Points You've Made So Far. It's Just A Meaningless Observation That Provides No Point.
>But As I Said, The Third Point Is True.
>Now If You Want, You Can Construct An Argument Based On The Third Point. And We Continue From There.
>I Will Be Waiting, But I'm Sure It's Pointless To, Since You Won't Be Able To Construct Anything Meaningful From That.
>I Will Be Waiting, Though.

I'm 6'4 should I bother trying to be a certain weight class or just compete at whatever I'm comfy with weighing.

>>40252543
You haven't been training long enough. Get some advice in person, preferably from a real coach.

>>40252507
phil hurt us all when he blanked us lad
maybe he will come around one day

>>40252543
those lifts are pretty good at your weight. keep going

I think I caught AIDS just by opening this thread.

Somehow this general has even less /fit/ness being discussed than the 16 r9k-style threads in the catalog.

Thanks for listening.

>>40252581
>I'm 6'4

Just do strongman bro

>>40252557
please highlight the post in which I argued that


>But since I have disproven it, you're now trying to argue that your whole argument is just "having more experience is an advantage".
that was my original post the entire time. ( >>40251237 →)

Do you see how

1. 2X > X
2. 3X > X
3 + iX > -X
Read the fucking thread and in order.
schizophrenia is real

>>40252606
HERE HE IS LOL

>>40252581
First meet go as is. Work on body composition as you gain meet experience.

>>40252581
whatever you're comfy at
just know you can't really go below 100kg, you'll just be a skeleton and weak as fuck
105kg minimum, 120kg when you're swole but still relatively lean

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>>40252562

>>1. The person has sufficient expertise in the subject matter in question.

Expertise.
You can have expertise without ever doing something or doing something to a professional level.
It's called studying.

For instance:
Sheiko was never a powerlifter. Sheiko has expertise in powerlifting.
Both statements above are true.

Which means your statement:
>you have never lifted

Is not only a lie, but meaningless.
Even if it was true (which is not), it still has no bearing on my expertise.

Anything else you wanna add, or are we finally done?

>>40252609

This one >>40251522

Who remembers when SSSCNTK100 streamed himself eating eggs
Those were the days

>>40252596
no, he should go pick a random person off the street and ask them to teach him.

>>40252611
I don't get it

>>40252606
I like doing both.

>>40252562

>>1. THE PERSON HAS SUFFICIENT EXPERTISE IN THE SUBJECT MATTER IN QUESTION.

EXPERTISE.
YOU CAN HAVE EXPERTISE WITHOUT EVER DOING SOMETHING OR DOING SOMETHING TO A PROFESSIONAL LEVEL.
IT'S CALLED STUDYING.

FOR INSTANCE:
SHEIKO WAS NEVER A POWERLIFTER. SHEIKO HAS EXPERTISE IN POWERLIFTING.
BOTH STATEMENTS ABOVE ARE TRUE.

WHICH MEANS YOUR STATEMENT:
>YOU HAVE NEVER LIFTED

IS NOT ONLY A LIE, BUT MEANINGLESS.
EVEN IF IT WAS TRUE (WHICH IS NOT), IT STILL HAS NO BEARING ON MY EXPERTISE.

ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA ADD, OR ARE WE FINALLY DONE?

>>40252609

THIS ONE >>40251522 →

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>>40252629
it's okay. you're here now

Wow you guys are being unusually awful today

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good thread

Just trappy

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>>40252646

Don't worry, I've seen this happen before multiple times. HonestPT isn't gonna stick around for very long, and things will go back to being ok for a while until someone else comes to turn everything into a shitfest again.

It's just the nature of 4chan.

Remember december when we had someone called "straight white male 400+ wilks"? He and a few other anons turned /plg/ into a shitfest for a while, then they left, then things were ok for a while.
It's just a cycle. We can go back and forth on this all the way and you'll see it just repeats itself.

>>40252624
are you comparing yourself to boris sheiko?
are you also alluding that boris sheiko has never lifted?

>someone who does X very well and has experience will do something better than someone who has only done X once
!=


this is profound, the cognitive dissonance
>you agree 2X > X
>but 3X !=> 2X


>someone who has done it once has advantage over someone who has never done it
>someone who has done it for a long time and done it well, has advantage over someone who has done it once


wow. trappy. stop.

I have had boris personally coach me.

I know he's lifted.

just stop dude.

>>40252646

Don't worry, I've seen this happen before multiple times. HonestPT isn't gonna stick around for very long, and things will go back to being ok for a while until someone else comes to turn everything into a shitfest again.

It's just the nature of 4chan.

Remember december when we had someone called "straight white male 400+ wilks"? He and a few other anons turned /plg/ into a shitfest for a while, then they left, then things were ok for a while.
It's just a cycle. We can go back and forth on this all the way and you'll see it just repeats itself.

>>40252673
You have been making /plg/ a shitfest for 2 years now.

Fuck off.

HOW DO I KILL TRAPPY

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>>40252673
>Remember december when we had someone called "straight white male 400+ wilks"? He and a few other anons turned /plg/ into a shitfest for a while, then they left, then things were ok for a while.
>It's just a cycle. We can go back and forth on this all the way and you'll see it just repeats itself.

you're literally schizophrenic.

>>40252673
You are literally a tumor.
I have been non stop slamming you.

you have less expertise because you have never lifted well. Let that sink into your mentally ill head, and start lifting heavy weight.

>>40252673
It's your fucking fault. Sheiko spamming, stupid anime trannies, IPF bias. You piss people off. And you're always here. Every goddamn day.

>>40252673
>he
>others
>they
dont act like you arent contributing
you dragged this shit out

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>>40252674

>are you comparing yourself to boris sheiko?

Nope.

>are you also alluding that boris sheiko has never lifted?

He was never a powerlifter.

In fact, it's pretty funny when you listen to him telling the story of how everything happened in his education and career.

>this is profound, the cognitive dissonance
>you agree 2X > X
>but 3X !=> 2X

This is not the point I made.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
Read your argument and my response again.

Do you have anything to add or are you finally conceding?

>>40252688

Have I?
It was a shitfest before me. It was a shitfest when I left. It has been a shitfest since I came back.
It's just the nature of 4chan.

>inb4 it wasn't a shitfest before trappy

It's like you haven't been around back when the whole marcel/sean drama happened.

>>40252711

I'm not a saint, but if I just start to ignore people who are wrong, people are gonna start attacking me because I never respond to criticism.
I have no choice here but to address the shitposting when it's more than a simple bait.

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>>40252644
I'll always be here. Watching. Waiting. Fapping.

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>>40252710
>And you're always here. Every goddamn day.

this one feels me the most

>>40252622
Sorry, but a natural at 120kg will be fat as fuck even on a 6'4 frame.
No way he'd be below 20% bf, if not 25.

>>40252673
Ill probably be back because, honestly, this is fun.

but I have to go to my physical therapy job, research job, and training job

the reason you "help" people on the internet is because nobody in real life would ever take lifting advice, let alone powerlifting advice from you.

There are many times when what you learned in uni or what is conventionally taught does not work.

this is why there is more than weight lifting routine, squat form... the very growth of scientific discovery not even related to lifting, is in actively trying to seek out to prove yourself wrong.
If you surround yourself with information, and the information fails, what do you do?

>>40252711
>people do lat raises to work the serratus, not to target the lateral delts

>>40252739
>what do you do?
he'd probably off himself

>>40252720
Dude. just stop. Really.

I have made you contradict yourself and displayed it for all to see.

you have legitimate schizophrenia.

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>>40252751

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

My argument stands. >>40252557

>2. someone who does X very well and has experience will do something better than someone who has only done X once
>2. someone who does lateral raises very well and has experience will do lateral raises better than someone who has only done lateral raises once

It's literally the central piece of your argument.
But since I have disproven it, you're now trying to argue that your whole argument is just "having more experience is an advantage".

Which sure, is true.
But MEANINGLESS. It has no bearing on anything you have argued so far. It defends no points you've made so far. It's just a meaningless observation that provides no point.

But as I said, the third point is true.
Now if you want, you can construct an argument based on the third point. And we continue from there.
I will be waiting, but I'm sure it's pointless to, since you won't be able to construct anything meaningful from that.
I will be waiting, though.

Boob
>>40252674

>are you comparing yourself to boris sheiko?

Nope.

>are you also alluding that boris sheiko has never lifted?

He was never a powerlifter.

In fact, it's pretty funny when you listen to him telling the story of how everything happened in his education and career.

>this is profound, the cognitive dissonance
>you agree 2X > X
>but 3X !=> 2X

This is not the point I made.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
Read your argument and my response again.

Do you have anything to add or are you finally conceding?

>>40252688

Have I?
It was a shitfest before me. It was a shitfest when I left. It has been a shitfest since I came back.
It's just the nature of 4chan.

>inb4 it wasn't a shitfest before trappy

It's like you haven't been around back when the whole marcel/sean drama happened.

>>40252711

I'm not a saint, but if I just start to ignore people who are wrong, people are gonna start attacking me because I never respond to criticism.
I have no choice here but to address the shitposting when it's more than a simple bait.

>>40252720
You're actually making me hate Boris sheiko. That's the only result from your constant reference to his programming and supposed lack of powerlifting experience.

>>40252736
Isn't boardshorts 6'4? Sure he used roids at some point but he never got beyond natty muscular. Doesn't he walk around at like 115kg and fairly lean?

Trappy and HonestPT are both autistic, fucking Christ.

>>40252720
Dude. I have talked to this person you are quoting.
I have had this person tell me how you are wrong.

thats it, I am emailing him after years of no contact just to ask him this, and I will screen shot it.

>>40252770
Maybe it's the same person

>>40252763
I don't think that he walks around at 115kg, no.

Also 5kg is quite a lot. Especially when it's not 5 but actually more like 10.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=naJkQ1PeBcM

Life was like a dream, a series of meaningless movements

We think we are free, a series of meaningful movements

>>40252720
>It's like you haven't been around back when the whole marcel/sean drama happened
sean is sean so he likes to shitpost but marcel was undoubtedly seans favourite trip

>people are gonna start attacking me because I never respond to criticism
no, who is doing this
you are not plgs hero, stop taking so much responsibility

and you can atleast stop responding when it turns to bait but you keep it up to drag it out

>>40252786
Boardshorts is last time I remember 250 pounds

I really want to trip but I have an insufferable personality and nobody likes me IRL let alone online

What do

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Is caffeine a meme?
I used to normally consume around 100mg of caffeine with a 5000mcg pill of B12, but lately I've stopped taking caffeine. As a result of taking B12 alone I don't have a queasy stomach anymore, but I have the same amount of energy

>>40252807
You just described trappy, and he's the most popular trip on the board.

You too can be the most popular

>>40252807
Don't trip, but I bet you're alright. Unless you're one of those guys who wont shut up about muh trump and muh alt right (like Panzer) or an over the top SJW, you're probably alright

>>40252811
Caffeine is no meme

>>40252811
100mg is literally one cup of coffee.

If you cant handle that you probably shouldnt take caffeine then.

>>40252802
Even then, that's 7kg of fat. You can probably imagine how that would look? Fat isn't dense, it would be a pretty fucking huge difference.

>>40252807
Trip so I can filter your whining ass.

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>>40252760

Tough shit. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>40252774

Ok, you want me to quote here that Sheiko was never a powerlifter?
Sure.

http://www.strongerbyscience.com/interview-with-coach-boris-sheiko/

>I was born in Moscow. My family moved to Dnepropetrovsk (Ukraine), the native city of my father. After school I entered to the Institute of Physical Culture in Kiev at the Department of Weightlifting. Many of the best coaches in Ukraine studied at this institute. Immediately after graduation I moved to do military service in Kazakhstan for one year.

>From 1975 to 1996 I lived and worked in Kazakhstan. In the period from 1975 to 1989 I was a coach in weightlifting. From 1981 to 1989 I was a senior coach of the junior weightlifting team of Kazakhstan. From 1984 to 1986 I worked with the junior weightlifting team of the USSR.

>In 1989, my student Alexey Sivokon (two-time weightlifting bronze medalist of the USSR among youths under 18 years old) took part in his first powerlifting competition, which also happened to be Kazakhstan’s first Powerlifting Cup. In 1990 we switched to powerlifting due in part to his outstanding performance. In 1991 I became the head coach of Kazakhstan’s powerlifting teams.

I think I'm finally done. You have nothing left in your arguments,and don't seem to have anything else to add.

I'll see around. For a while.

>>40252829
I've heard L-Theanine with caffeine gets rid of the jittery feeling, but would that do anything about the stomach feeling?

>>40252758
how is that a straw man, and please go on how someone in an expertise in biomechanics/strength training/ has done a lateral raise is at equal footing with someone who has done it once?

>>40252673
You single handedly ruined this place and drove everybody interesting/experienced away from it. Hope you're happy with yourself

>>40252867

Did I?
Weird that the people I theoretically drove away are still my friends and chat with me on a daily basis.

>>40252844
that was literally the first google response, great job.

>After school I entered to the Institute of Physical Culture in Kiev at the Department of Weightlifting. Many of the best coaches in Ukraine studied at this institute. Immediately after graduation

do you think he never lifted after going there?
I bet boris didnt even deadlift 135, the poor man.


"An average athlete who tries like hell to be the best makes the best coach" - Mark Rip

>trappy posts powerlifting related stuff and helps the community
>people spam Plg with anti trappy posts just cause she's transgender
>people blame trappy for causing trouble

She should stop replying to them but god damn you guys know trappy isn't at fault

>>40252882
Like who lmfao?

>>40252882
then let them all reply to this post attesting they have your back

anyone, please, give me a (you).

this is your bat signal.

>>40252890
Shut the fuck up trappy

>>40252888
Bruh just cause he *mightve* lifted didn't mean he was a powerlifter

>>40252896
fuck trappy

>tfw you realise there isn't a single person on this planet thinking of you

>tfw there isn't a single person who likes you

>not even one

>>40252890
for the goddamn, 100th time

we are calling her a tranny and trolling over that because when he uses this holier than thou pseudo authority and misues fallacies to a disgusting point and wont listen to reason, what else can you do?

were slamming here logically, nothing more to see

>>40252901
Who cares if he was a distinguished powerlifter or not? He more then likely lifted weights and had a respectably average base of strength.

Just because he has lifted weight but isn't officially a 'powerlifter' means nothing

>>40252907
Are you depressedanon? I'm thinking of you buddy

>>40252901
the entire argument is
>someone who has done X is better than someone who has never done X
and the same premise, but this time with numbers
>someone who has done X well, and for a long time is better than someone who has done it once.

Fuck trappy

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>tfw 35cm femurs
>21.5% of my total height

>>40252895

Alex, for example.
Boardshorts, for example.
Isley, for example.
Esmeralda, for example.
Sean, for example. (not that he was a good poster, but whatever)

Who else has left while I was here?
Sabretooth supposedly left "because of me", sure, but he still posts all the time both as anonymous and with his trip.
But sure, I drove him away.

I didn't drive anybody else away though.

>>40252901

shhhh
Don't respond anymore, he's in the denial stage, now just shitposting baits. No point in continuing to argue.

>>40252896
if I reply to this post I might prevent a suicide so I feel morally obligated

>>40252925

You forgot to type "I want to" in front of "Fuck trappy"

>>40252923
First argument is incorrect but second argument is correct

You can be an idiot talentchad and make a horrible coach but a great powerlifter or be a skinny Brazilian girl and make a great coach and a shit powerlifter

>>40252916
He is a legitimate coach at the national and world level. Trips on this board shouldn't drape themselves in the mantle of his success.

>>40252932
HAHAHA I wasn't even talking about those people you fucking retard. And while isley and those might not dislike you, they still don't post here half as much as they used to because LOOK AT THIS THREAD

>accidentally did 4x2 with 20 lbs less than I needed to
Lmao I'm a dumbass. Had to redo it with the proper weight https://youtu.be/vQcdz5nN1pY

Trappy, livestream your suicide. I haven't seen one in awhile

>>40252947

Sure, who were you talking about then?
I was just giving a couple of examples.

>>40252932
THEN LET THEM ALL REPLY TO THIS POST

you are literally the person that is your friends younger brother who is an annoying faggot, but your friend that is the older brother is really chill.

you hang out with that chill guy, then his little bro comes in and everyone rolls their eyes and doesnt have the heart to tell him to fuck off, because it's your friends little brother.

youre welcome to stay

you are not welcome to be a beligerant shitposting know it all with nil experience or ability to critically think

accepting you are wrong is the first step to discovery and knowledge

>>40252956
Fil, Bryce, norsefat, lonelypl, topkek100 (not strong but hilarious to meme at), that ginger anon etc etc the list goes on

>>40252940
ladies and gentlemen, a straw man/ anecdotal theoretical.

move along now.

>>40252950
Wow your fat. Pls don't wear those pants out in public

>>40252932
>Alex, for example.
>Boardshorts, for example.
>Isley, for example.
>Esmeralda, for example.
>Sean, for example.
literally all of those still post

lmao

>>40252890

>>40252287


The whole argument started because Trappy told someone to keep doing lat raises that overtaxed his traps and then other people said, hey maybe you should look at your form. Trappy was having none of that and his utter refusal to believe that people do lat raises to hit their medial delts primarily didn't help.

Such a helpful person.

>>40252932
Post the uncensored pic

>>40252950
No bully but your form is awful holy shit

So much forward lean and your back looks like it's rounding at the bottom

I wonder what 315 looked like...

I don't post here as much as I normally would because of trappy and the people who in one way or another turn the threads into shitfests because of trappy. The last two weeks before trappy came back was when /plg/ was the comfiest in recent memory.

>>40252950
Hinging your hips back in the squat is Tue biggest meme. Try not doing that on the future.

serious. Chadlex doesnt.

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>>40252960

>fil

I wasn't here when he "left", and when I came back, he even had a nice chat with me :)
pic related

>bryce

He's still around, just never posted frequently.

>norsefat

Still around and posting almost every day. Just busy with his job and life.

>lonelypl

I wasn't here when he left, and I know why he left (protip: sean).

>topkek100

He still shows up from time to time, but even in early 2016 he wasn't around much anymore. Always just stayed in the cytube chat. Probably still there.

>the list goes on

Yeah, of course. Marcel, for example, big loss to /plg/, still missed to this day.

None of those left because of me though.

>>40252966

Alex doesn't.
Boardie does rarely, he tells me all the time he hates /plg/ now.
Esmeralda, barely ever.
Sean? Have you seen sean around? lmao

>>40252950

Start with your hips in position to just sit down for your squat, stop pushing them back.

Is there a reason why conventional programming doesn't seem to "work" well for some people, but retardgramming does?

>>40253004

Alex unironically does not come to /plg/ as often because of you.

>>40253004
>in this post trappy tries to convince us he has friends....internet friends

Can anyone be anymore of a loser?

why does she not miss me

>>40253004
Lonelypl was friends with Sean though. So you're probably lying/wrong about the rest too. just fuck off

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If people are this mad about lateral raises, just imagine if I had talked about the bench thing that I've been promising to talk about, and is actually a big deal and goes against a big part of the common knowledge around the internet.

I guess some things are better kept from being exposed to the public. Eventually it will trickle down, I guess.

>>40253020

Weird that he would choose to stay in a private chat with me and literally a couple of people every day.

I was gonna actually post a screenshot of our chat, but it's a bit too... intimate... not sure he would appreciate me posting it around ;)

>>40253004
is there a term for a glass ceiling, but instead with "rock bottom"?
how low can you go?

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>the """""sport"""""" of powerlifting

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Am I strong yet?

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what happens when you run sheiko for only bench and deadlift

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>>40253057
God your behaviour makes me cringe

if you like trappy chan and wish for her to remain here, reply to this post

>>40253004
Do you not realize that people may not come here because of you - not because they don't like you but because of the shit storm you cause?

Are you seriously going to deny that you cause a huge shit storm?

I don't give a shit about this drama and I don't give a shit about what gender you think you are.
But they do have a point as in your persona is incredibly outrageous and provocative - and you aren't trying to make it less so at all.

>thread theme

https://youtu.be/z5OXON8vIaA

Love you /plg/.

>>40253057
post the bench thing and I will to the extent of my degree field and expertise having benched 400+ in a 181 class and have a degree under my belt, disagree or agree.


Mark rip in his book says
"If you haven't squatted (weight) and someone wants to squat (weight), how would you be able to teach him without doing it yourself?"

>>40253085
Almost as if he were behaving like a girl...

Hmmmmmm

>>40253107
estrogen is a helluva drug

>>40253077
I don't know, but I'm about to find out what happens when you run 3 sheikos at once
small load for squats
medium load for deadlift
large load for bench

>>40253114
He probably injects up straight into his fucking head lmao

>>40253057
Nobody is mad about lat raises. They're annoyed by how big of a prick you come off when you're blatantly fucking wrong and refuse to accept it.

Even this post

> lat raises are so controversial

Comes off immensely delusional

That's why honestpt was formed. Because you're shitty to talk to.

>>40253005
I'll try that next time. So mad that I underloaded by 20 lbs.
https://youtu.be/Ng18sUga5vI