/VPLG/ Vanilla Powerlifting General

>>40181354
Why wont haack stop being a high bar faggot and do low bar instead?

>>40181378
Because he injects so much that he can stay ahead of the competition anyway.

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Sheiko Programs:

>Beginner (/plg/ internet exclusive)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cfn4wy-9lc3mO5ObkoBU_Bf2GUtkr42gCyZS_hzeD4I/edit?usp=sharing

>Intermediate Small Load (/plg/ internet exclusive)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A8YmCRV8hL4VFdMtuSzNAM_0wjPF4lj1HxHFEnMVers/edit?usp=sharing

>Intermediate Medium Load
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18nIdEHDGktGptKsWDQzowXkmHeM6XGMFj-TnGdQKLmY/edit?usp=sharing

>Intermediate Large Load
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1htZVT7ltLYVBSB3Uh9PQKqARitj46IEgihbo3Uu04P0/edit?usp=sharing

>Advanced Small Load (/plg/ internet exclusive)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12NUdKocJ2GnpjFXei-N_doL7NM6aT-LwulkS8LQwGEk/edit?usp=sharing

>Advanced Medium Load
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Yt4THa8mZNR81aUcgDVgdqTpc3GiAKLenx3Z7id0yE/edit?usp=sharing

>Advanced Large Load
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akqwfO1und1UI1zvnwK9KIMeJ-r0TLjYJMxi2cTp84c/edit?usp=sharing

>>40181378
>>40181395
this

>>40181405
Come on. Why?

Sheiko Programs:

>Beginner (/plg/ internet exclusive)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cfn4wy-9lc3mO5ObkoBU_Bf2GUtkr42gCyZS_hzeD4I/edit?usp=sharing

>Intermediate Small Load (/plg/ internet exclusive)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A8YmCRV8hL4VFdMtuSzNAM_0wjPF4lj1HxHFEnMVers/edit?usp=sharing

>Intermediate Medium Load
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18nIdEHDGktGptKsWDQzowXkmHeM6XGMFj-TnGdQKLmY/edit?usp=sharing

>Intermediate Large Load
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1htZVT7ltLYVBSB3Uh9PQKqARitj46IEgihbo3Uu04P0/edit?usp=sharing

>Advanced Small Load (/plg/ internet exclusive)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12NUdKocJ2GnpjFXei-N_doL7NM6aT-LwulkS8LQwGEk/edit?usp=sharing

>Advanced Medium Load
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Yt4THa8mZNR81aUcgDVgdqTpc3GiAKLenx3Z7id0yE/edit?usp=sharing

>Advanced Large Load
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akqwfO1und1UI1zvnwK9KIMeJ-r0TLjYJMxi2cTp84c/edit?usp=sharing

Sheiko Programs:

>Beginner (/plg/ internet exclusive)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cfn4wy-9lc3mO5ObkoBU_Bf2GUtkr42gCyZS_hzeD4I/edit?usp=sharing

>Intermediate Small Load (/plg/ internet exclusive)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A8YmCRV8hL4VFdMtuSzNAM_0wjPF4lj1HxHFEnMVers/edit?usp=sharing

>Intermediate Medium Load
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18nIdEHDGktGptKsWDQzowXkmHeM6XGMFj-TnGdQKLmY/edit?usp=sharing

>Intermediate Large Load
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1htZVT7ltLYVBSB3Uh9PQKqARitj46IEgihbo3Uu04P0/edit?usp=sharing

>Advanced Small Load (/plg/ internet exclusive)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12NUdKocJ2GnpjFXei-N_doL7NM6aT-LwulkS8LQwGEk/edit?usp=sharing

>Advanced Medium Load
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Yt4THa8mZNR81aUcgDVgdqTpc3GiAKLenx3Z7id0yE/edit?usp=sharing

>Advanced Large Load
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akqwfO1und1UI1zvnwK9KIMeJ-r0TLjYJMxi2cTp84c/edit?usp=sharin

Sheiko Programs:

>Beginner (/plg/ internet exclusive)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cfn4wy-9lc3mO5ObkoBU_Bf2GUtkr42gCyZS_hzeD4I/edit?usp=sharing

>Intermediate Small Load (/plg/ internet exclusive)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A8YmCRV8hL4VFdMtuSzNAM_0wjPF4lj1HxHFEnMVers/edit?usp=sharing

>Intermediate Medium Load
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18nIdEHDGktGptKsWDQzowXkmHeM6XGMFj-TnGdQKLmY/edit?usp=sharing

>Intermediate Large Load
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1htZVT7ltLYVBSB3Uh9PQKqARitj46IEgihbo3Uu04P0/edit?usp=sharing

>Advanced Small Load (/plg/ internet exclusive)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12NUdKocJ2GnpjFXei-N_doL7NM6aT-LwulkS8LQwGEk/edit?usp=sharing

>Advanced Medium Load
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Yt4THa8mZNR81aUcgDVgdqTpc3GiAKLenx3Z7id0yE/edit?usp=sharing

>Advanced Large Load
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akqwfO1und1UI1zvnwK9KIMeJ-r0TLjYJMxi2cTp84c/edit?usp=shari

Test

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Isley loves QT Asian TitCows

Why are SBD knee sleeves allowed? I got a 7,5 kg PR the first time I used them, and I couldn't even get them all the way up because they were too tight. Now I have stretched them a little bit and I think they give me somewhere between 10-15 kg. They're more like wraps light than knee sleeves, considering it's uncomfortable to walk around in them and they give a resistance when I try to bend my knee without a barbell on my back.

NON SHEIKO PROGRAMS

>Beginner
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10gSl7pGOS2sQ8hUW7660Pdk6rAKrpHuBy2SRHRzT2lE/pub

>Intermediate
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10gSl7pGOS2sQ8hUW7660Pdk6rAKrpHuBy2SRHRzT2lE/pub

>Advanced
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10gSl7pGOS2sQ8hUW7660Pdk6rAKrpHuBy2SRHRzT2lE/pub

>>40181703
i get nothing out of mine. maybe 1 kilo

>>40181709
Kek, btw do you know when mike tuskchair is goino to contact us to tell us more about project memementum 2k17

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>>40181703

>why are SBD knee sleeves allowed?

Because the IPF decided they would allow it.
Not much other than that.
If the IPF decides they will allow bench shirts in raw, that's how it's gonna be. We can complain of course, but people don't care much about knee sleeves.

>>40181709

Kekkk

I hope one of you make the 2017 version available for us to see ;)
I don't wanna sign up to it because I'm not gonna run it, but wanna get my hands on the program so bad~

Why do you follow that asian facialabuse girl on instagram isley?

Well i'm deleting this cuz the tranny is more mentally ill than first expected

>>40181724
Interesting. Do you have much knee travel in your squat? I reckon I get a good bounce from the sleeves since my knees goes forward a lot and that makes the fabric stretch more in the bottom.

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>>40181733
>tuskchair

Training delivery is automatic and gets sent out every saturday at 5am PST. So the latest we'll get more info is the 4th of february.

>>40181745
I don't actually know if there is any sort of non disclosure business regarding it, I remember details of the 2k16 being everywhere though.

Me, anon and that other guy all seem to be on board though, so that's at least three sources for /plg/. Probably all at the lower end of the wilks range though.

>>40181984
Aight thank, what are you doing leading up to it? I was thinking I'd take rpe 8-9 singles on sbd tuesday then deload the rest of the week.

>>40182026
Thanks* fuck I hate typing on my phone

WHICH IS THE REAL PLG??

>>40181984
>Probably all at the lower end of the wilks range though.

What is your wilks?

>>40181984
>I don't actually know if there is any sort of non disclosure business regarding it, I remember details of the 2k16 being everywhere though.
Seeing as they take in hundreds of applicants who they don't know anything about and put some kind of summary of the project afterwards on their website I don't think they care that much about the program being leaked.

>>40181745
I'll probably sit down and type it all out at the end if if don't get injured

>>40182050
I can start a new one if you want a real /plg/. When is your meet(you've got one coming up pretty soon right)?

>>40182026
Well, I've been sticking to upper body and mobility work the last couple of weeks because I tweaked my back. Next week I'm gonna work up to some easy 5s or 3s on squat and deadlift and just take that to build on.

>>40182060
the ESTIMATED wilks from my last completed training week was 350 with e1rms of 192.5/115/245 @93

I'm sure that's dropped by between 50 and 350 points since.

>>40182078
Four weeks and a day

>>40182144
Oh, I thought it was this week. Classic or real powerlifting?

Mom keeps having a go at me for eating Ben and Jerry's every day

Dumb bitch says I'll get diabetes despite the fact I'm an athlete???? And I lift 4 times a week???

can I run prep 1 of sheiko intermediate and just do the first week of comp?

>>40182173
R E A L
E
A
L

>>40182267
what are you thinking for openers?

How much can I expect to gain on my lifts from running a sheiko beginner cycle?

another day on /plg/ another drama yet again 3 different threads

NEW THREAD
>>40182344
>>40182344
>>40182344

>>40182278
270/200/300

:)

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>>40182247

Yes

>>40182279

10-20 wilks on average if you're an early intermediate lifter.

>>40182280

ikr
people seem to never get tired of it

>>40182492

>opening with 200 bench

I WANT TO BELIEVE

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>>40182497
The new shirt is amazing

>>40182530
>all you bro

>>40182492
>Those openers
Wouldn't it be nice to at least have a fair chance on your seconds and thirds?

>>40182530
Why do you open so high? Is it cuz it's hard to hit depth/ touch in the suit/shirt?

>>40182708
Yes

>>40182545
Hey probably wasn't helping.

He's been to dozens of international bench comps raw and equipped

>>40182714
How strong do you think one should be to get into single ply? Watching you do it looks interesting but I feel I'm too weak to be able to hit depth or touch if I were to get into it

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WHICH FUCKING THREAD IS IT

>>40182777
Weaker people get less out of the equipment. But I have a friend who's 195/130/212.5 and he's getting into it with me because it's fun

That said, I wouldn't get into it at all unless you have good spotters regularly, like if you train at a PL gym

>>40182815
BBBBBRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPP

>>40182815
FFFFRRRRAAAPPPPPPPPPPP

>>40182841
>>40182833

I hate this meme

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>>40182841
>>40182833
TRRRRAAAAAPPPPPPPP

>>40182822
I train at my uni gym so I guess I probably shouldn't. I can count on my hands the amount of people in that gym that I trust to spot me

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>>40182530

Nice! :3

>>40182815

Good afternoon norsie~

>>40182871
Yeah then it's not a good idea. Also, the sizing is hard to know unless you have someone experienced.

>>40182866
goddamn

>>40182879
Ive seen the full video and she blows the dog

>>40182883
Damn well thanks hopefully it's something I can get into later after I graduate and find a pl gym

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>>40182897

That doge's name? Albert Einstein

>>40182883

Would you fuck an asian trappy? >>40182945

My parents keep forcing me to see my grandparents cause they haven't got long left

They've been saying that since I was 12 REEEEEEEEEEEEE

Why won't they die already rrreeeeeeee

>>40182879
luv u livia

Are these stats naturally achieveable within 2 years of training from scratch at a goal bw of 83kg(meaning at the end of 2 years that person weighs that much)

260/142.5/300

Squats are beltless today boys

My SI is feeling weird

>>40181354
I'm enjoying the retro OP

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>>40183007
You disgust me

>>40183049
No

>>40183061
Hey same here man, my lower back feels really weird and kinda painful after 4 months of no pain

>>40183007
Lel I thought that and then one of them died and I hadn't seen her in two years

Joke's on me! :joy:

>>40183072
The guy holds 3 records nationally

Just confirms that passing a drugtest is a joke these days

Has anyone in the sport of pl been caught for steroids

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>>40183049

Yes, just be Kermit-tier talented and have long arms.

>>40183123
Yes

>>40183074
We'll I survived my squats for this session

Bench feels aight

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>>40183168

Is the bed you sleep in soft?

>>40183123
what guy

>max out
>do rehab stuff
>feel great for hours
>later that night
>all stiff and painful
>joints hurt

Why why why :(

Also is my belt too tight?
>pelvis felt like it was gonna Rip on one of my sets
>hurt for hours after
>did no core work but my core is fatigued and kinda strained

It was the first time ive maxed all 3 lifts on the same day for like 4-6 months?

>>40183182
some chinese dude in my irrelevant country you guys wouldnt know him

>>40183180
it would be hard if u were on it :)

>>40183180
Yeah and cratered where I sleep. It's basically a hole. Great mattress until some asshole crushed the life out of it

>>40183191
Is it 2 years of training for PL or 2 years from nada?

>>40183180
My back looks like that when pulling conventional and now it hurts :c

>>40183209
2 years from nothing

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>>40183202

That is literally the source of your SI Joint pain.
Trust me.

>>40183215

Kermit has numbers close to those in 1 year and a bit and 77kg bw. From zero.

>>40183233
what are frogs stats exactly

>>40183233
Kermit's been training for 2 years

And you are a fucking idiot beyond belief acting like you have the miracle cure for lower back pain

>>40183141
>just be Kermit-tier talented
even tho the frog isnt near that wilks??

>>40183123
>>Has anyone in the sport of pl been caught for steroids
Dunno
http://www.powerlifting-ipf.com/fileadmin/ipf/data/anti-doping/Tested_lifters_2016_12_08.pdf

>>40183258
a guy here and there I see

What are they tested for exactly and how are they tested

>>40183233
Were you the one talking about having to soft of a bed can cause back pain? I took my memory foam insert thing off my mattress last night and I woke up pain free for the first time in months. Never thought it was because of my bed. It's really comfy too :(

Post a song that describes how you're feeling

https://youtu.be/Da0z7UX2_iw

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>>40183243

Tested before Sheiko:
220/120/245

Currently in the middle of prep 2, so 1.5months on sheiko:
Estimated 245/At least 135/Unknown but it's going just as well as the others, and small changes in his technique have lowered the RPE of his sets drastically

Currently at 77-78kg bodyweight.
Training for +-1 year and 5 months, took half a year of break from a big knee injury, trained WL for about half a year as well (no benching).

>>40183308

:)
Happy to hear it.

>>40183254

Miracle cure? It's well known and documented.

>>40183328
Post DAT DER documentation

>>40183308
This reeks of trappy lmfao

>>40183345
Nah Trappy and that dude are talking about lower back pain. I was having upper back and neck pain.

Anyone try Lois Simmons lower back injury protocol?

Even after the surgeon wanted to fuse his spine he managed to fix his back just by sleeping on the floor!!!!!

>>40183328
>Estimated
you know what i call these?

>>40183328
>220/120/245
thats over a 120kg difference in total buddy

>>40183375
>Lois Simmons
Did Louie pull a Kroc?

>>40183416
Yep

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>>40183335

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/030439598190049X

>>40183345

People say this all the time any time someone says anything thanking me :)

Fun fact: I had to google what a "memory foam" is.

>>40183412

That is before he actually started training for powerlifting again.
If you see his bench technique that got him 120 you'll laugh.

His current total is nearing the chinese dude's, and he hasn't been training PL for 2 years or training in general for 2 years yet.

The chinese dude might not be natty, but it is possible to get those numbers natty. Just needs to be born with excellent genetics.

>>40183406

Yes, "even bigger numbers once tested". ;) I'm being very conservative here.

>>40183321
Nice song anon, here's mine:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IC1u5Pt3N74

>>40183465
Trip on trappy

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How many dicks do I have to suck before somebody would let me suck his dick?

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what up brehs? Shamelessly repostan the ez-est 242.5kg I've ever done.
Also, is it normal to have a lot of water retention when having DOMS? I gained almost 2kg in 2 days and I'm feeling sore as shit

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>>40183335

At day 90, participants in both groups had experienced improvements compared with baseline in the intensity of pain while lying in bed (mean intensity improvement 70% firm and 80% medium-firm mattresses), intensity of pain on rising (each 57%), and disability (30% and 50%).

Although there were differences in favour of medium-firm mattresses in all variables at day 90, only those in the degree of improvement of disability and pain on rising throughout follow-up were significant (p=0·008, table 2). Differences in the degree of improvement of pain on rising (p=0·053), having had low-back pain throughout follow-up (p=0·059), and pain while lying in bed throughout follow-up (p=0·064) were close to significance (table 2).

The firmness of the new mattress was generally perceived accurately by participants; 77·2% of patients in the firm mattress group perceived their mattress to be firm or very firm, compared with 43·5% in the medium-firm mattress group who though their mattress was firm (p<0·0001, table 2). When they entered the study, 63 of the 111 individuals who shared beds with participants in the firm mattress group and 71 of the 111 who shared beds with those from the medium-firm mattress group had pain inbed (p=0·27). At the end of the study, 19 from the firm mattress group and 14 from the medium-firm mattress
group had pain (p=0·35).

In most patients, the change of mattress (from soft to medium-firm and firm) was associated with an improvement of pain while lying in bed

>In most patients, the change of mattress (from soft to medium-firm and firm) was associated with an improvement of pain while lying in bed

http://www.sciencedirect.com.sci-hub.bz/science/article/pii/S0140673603147927
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673603147927

>>40183445
Issue 1. The participates aren't weight lifters or athlete - they aren't using their lower back as hard or frequently or as likely to re injure themselves or what ever
Issue 2. It lessened their pain, it didn't fix the cause of their pain (which is already known how to do and well documented)

This is basically a putting a band aid over a bullet wound solution

Literally read up work by Dr Stuart mcggill pls

6'5 from 220 to 215 past 2wks
i'm cutting at 2000kcals, even though TDEE calc says my maintenance is 3000+, some saying 3300

How come I'm not losing weight super fast? Not super hungry either, and strength seems to be maintaining(though it's only been 2 weeks

>>40181405
Are you being paid lol

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>>40183557

>Literally read up work by Dr Stuart mcggill pls

I have. What are you even trying to imply here? Just name dropping? kekkk

>Issue 1. The participates aren't weight lifters or athlete - they aren't using their lower back as hard or frequently or as likely to re injure themselves or what ever

Not important. The discussion is whether or not mattress softness affects back pain.

>Issue 2. It lessened their pain, it didn't fix the cause of their pain (which is already known how to do and well documented)

See >>40183551
These are issues of CHRONIC PAIN, people who have been suffering from it for A LONG TIME and haven't been able to cure it with regular treatment.

>>40183445
>Yes
almost 100% sure you know thats not what i call them

>pseudolifting general

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>>40183592

We'll see in a few weeks, I'm not gonna unnecessarily disrupt his training to test his lifts because of ego.
But I'm pretty sure my estimates are conservative, from my own experience dealing with people who did the very same program.

Let us just be patient. ;) We can put a nail on the "natty or not" discussion for the chinese dude when Kermit shows the results.

I inflated my bench max 10lbs on Sheiko. I was able to pause every rep pretty easily, so I inflated. If it gets too hard I'm gonna switch to TnG

>>40183586
Buy his book its good

It is important because we aren't sedimentary people and any aid you get from a hard mattress will just be negated by the fact you'll get up and have 500lbs directly above your spine in a few hours

Chronic is a buzz word, I've had lower back pain for 10 months, which is chronic lower back pain and it was just because I didn't know how to fix it

Literally did MCGILLs big 3 for 1.5 months and 10 months of being unable to put my shoes on without tear jerking pain was gone over night

There are solutions and they require a lot more work than changing your bed lmao

Anyway its still a band aid over a bullet hole solution

I could alleviate my pain with all sorts of stretching and rehab stuff, but it always came back, it was always temporary.

Its been 4 months since doing the MCGILL stuff and ive been pain free since.

>>40183620
>Let us just be patient
exactly
lets not just make stuff up

>>40183630
Or just pause first rep and TN the rest.

>>40183646
True. I'll pause as much as possible I guess.

>>40183620
you seem to know a lot, how much do you charge for personal training ? do you have your own gym or work in a commercial gym ?

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>>40183631

It's been one day since anon changed his bed and he's been pain free since >>40183308

Your point is moot. Yes, treatment helps. Yes, changing bed mattresses help.
You want to imply one of them doesn't help because you can't accept that I know what I'm talking about. ;)
And you're dismissing actual studies (including doubleblind studies) that show it does help by criticizing it in a non-valid and non-scientific manner.

All because you're mad about a girl with a dick that is helping people on a forum for autistic powerlifters.
Keking my sides to mars tBh

>>40183633

The entire conversation is built upon supposition, though. Look at what we are arguing, whether a total at a certain bodyweight is natty or not. Any response from any of the sides is purely making stuff up. :)

>>40183680
He didn't have lower back pain for starters
You don't know whether he is even telling the truth or exaggerated
Its not even been long enough to see if it was long term?

>some retarded fallacy

>straw man fallacy

>ad hominem fallacy

Last time I show you any respect and actually try to debate something with you

You're obviously not very mature for your age

>>40183705
i appreciate you tried

>>40183725
I know you keep taking off your trip trappy
Its so obvious

As well as she (you) didn't argue my points but instead just claimed I was mad she was trans

Which I never even mentioned?????????????

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>>40183676

Worked in a powerlifting gym for almost a year, and have been voluntarily working on /fit/ for over a year.

I don't charge for coaching, I do it for free

>>40183705

>He didn't have lower back pain for starters

We aren't talking about lower back pain for starters.
We were talking about SI Joint dysfunction and back pain in general.
You are the one trying to move the goal posts.

>Its not even been long enough to see if it was long term?

Moot point, I was merely showing anecdotal evidence from you is meaningless in front of double blind studies with plenty of participants.

>some retarded fallacy

That's also known as the "not a fallacy, I'm just mad" argument.

>straw man fallacy

That is not related to the actual discussion.
It changes nothing to the actual debate.

>ad hominem fallacy

I don't think you understand what ad hominem is.

>>40183745
fuck off from /plg/ you annoying bitch

t. not the person you replied to

>>40183745
>Worked in a powerlifting gym for almost a year, and have been voluntarily working on /fit/ for over a year.

Pls post a pic of yourself (livia) at the gym. Locker room doesn't count.
Oh right, there are none because you don't even lift.

>tfw developing a feeder fetish
What a strange feel lads

>>40183745
>we aren't talking about lower back pain
>posted a source which was about lower back pain
Nice shifting goal posts

>moot point
No.
Your anecdotal evidence was faked by you
It was over the span of 24 hours - hardly evidence!

Least you admit you're mad, fair enough

You attacked me for no reason and you set up an argument I never set up so you could attack that

>>40183739
yeah i agree
keeps talking about being 'attacked' and gets rude with themwhen people just want to discuss

and dont call me she

>>40183745
>worked out
Notice he doesn't say trained with a crew for a meet. Also, a year doesn't mean shit in powerlifting. Might as well say "a day".

>>40183745
>voluntarily working on /fit/
this is not work

>>40183745
You're just attacking me because I'm a cis white male

Aret yo??????

>>40183631
>>40183680
BTFO
T
F
O

Is this method of progression appropriate or is there a way I could tweak it to make it better?

Week 1: 5x5
Week 2: 6x5, same weight
Week 3: 5x5, 5lbs heavier
Week 4: 6x5, same weight
Week 5: 5x5, 5lbs heavier

And so on

Would alternating between 6x4 and 5x5 be better? Or 4x5 and 6x4?

>>40183863
t. first year of lifting

>>40183863
get some microplates you goober

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>>40183765

http://vocaroo.com/i/s12QDFKTMW2A

>>40183779

Why would I?
I don't need to prove anything to you. Specially considering you are Anonymous, so it would be pointless. Worse than worrying about proving myself to a random person in the streets.

>>40183786

>Nice shifting goal posts

Back pain IN GENERAL include lower back pain.

YOU are the one claiming the discussion was lower back pain EXCLUSIVELY, and it was NOT.

You're the one shifting goal posts here.
My arguments from the start were NOT exclusively about lower back pain.

And regardless, neither yours nor the other Anon's anecdotal evidence serves any purpose in this argument.

So not only you're trying to imply this is exclusively about lower back pain (which doesn't change anything, the studies I linked were about lower back pain), you're trying to shift the argument to this meaningless thing, because you have already lost the actual argument - whether changing mattress softness can improve back pain.

Instead of trying to shift the goal posts, just apologise and move on my dude.

>Your anecdotal evidence was faked by you

Now this is what we call Ad Hominem fallacy.

>You attacked me for no reason

I'm defending myself here, you (Anonymous) started this argument. >>40183335 >>40183254 >>40183557

>you set up an argument I never set up so you could attack that

Is that your way of trying to get away with moving goal posts?

>>40183814

>Notice he doesn't say trained with a crew for a meet

She*
And I have done that exact thing more than once.

>>40183820

Define work.

>>40183827

Why would I? I love men.

Yep

Ive won this argument B)

Trappy ruined plg for me

all these years
memories

only to be destroyed by one single annoying poster

>>40183900
>Define work
something more than
>do sheiko x F

Sean is nothing compared to trappy for one single reason

he has a life and doesnt spend every wake hour here

>>40183900
>3 weeks

>>40183900
tldr
Post one picture of yourself competing

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>>40183925

So yes, under your definition it's work.

Quick example: https://desuarchive.org/fit/search/username/trappy-chan/tripcode/%21%21VHnwMVjcWZi/start/2016-01-01/end/2016-06-15/page/15/

>>40183918

Sorry that discussing lifting and injuries ruins things for you.

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Now, for more interesting news,

how's Alex comp going? I assume it must be finished at this point?

>>40183918
Same. Been here since September 2014
Its nothing like it used to be

Sigh

>>40184056
>Wearing that shirt in public

Is sheiko beginner for actual beginners or when you start to stall on intermediate programs?

TWO NEW THREADS FOR THE PLG GODS
>>40184094

>>40184037

>>40184056
>>40184073
>>40184073
more like
>wearing that shirt in public while being dyel

>>40184098
It's not people that just started training but it's not like it's very taxing or hard. I reckon most people on /fit/ does SS or similiar beginner programs so sheiko beginner(or maybe one of the intermediate 3 day programs) would be a good next step for them. Of course they might want to do shorter cycles than 12 weeks so they can cut away some weeks from the intermediate programs.

Are there any surefire ways to tell if a girl is lesbian?

>>40184194
>Short hair
>Brightly coloured hair
>Obese
>Made up gender
>Deep voice

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>>40184194
If she doesn't want my d

>>40184194
>drives a Subaru wagon

>>40184194
Her breath smells like pussy

>>40181636
Testosterone

I couldn't stand to see
Her crying 'cause of me...

I need... I need...

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HERE IS SOMETHIN' YOU CAN'T UNDER
STAND

HOW I COULD JUST

KILL A MAAAAAAAN

>>40183531
You gonna do project mementum again?

Do any of you guys look good or are you all a bloated water buffalo with alarmingly high blood pressure?

>>40184317
Definitely the latter

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>>40184317
blood presure is actually pretty good, but water buffalo reporting in

>>40184317
Some of us are look good (isley) done of us are fat and ugly (virtus)

>>40184306
Are u?

>>40184347
lol have you seen isley recently

>>40184343
>girl powerlifts
>looks great
>dude powerlifts
>looks like shit
really makes you think

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>>40184098

It's for intermediate/early-intermediate lifters.

>>40184194

Trip on underscore kekkk

>>40184317

Are you implying bloated water buffalo isn't the best looking mode?

If you're going to do project momentum PLEASE post your ig for me to follow.

I want to see how many injure themselves.

>>40184373
>>girl powerlifts
>>looks great
>>dude powerlifts
>>looks like shit
>really makes you think

Yeah
Just look at all the bikini girls who powerlift and compete at the same time.
Powerlifting is good for lower body gains. I'd avoid it if you're not into looking like a trap

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>>40184359
Fuck no I'm gonna be fine on low volume Sheiko 4 day

>>40184394

Dude haven't you seen norsefat? She's looking great here >>40184343

>>40184396
Hey man wanna run my daily maxing program? Lots of self regulation, but many PRs.

Also I pulled a 210 Jefferson btw

>>40184410

pls be stones

>>40184403
>you in charge of reading comprehension

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PISTOL GRIP PUMP ON MY LAP AT ALL TIMES

THEY CAN BE FUCKIN' WITH OTHER NIGGAS SHIT BUT THEY CAN'T BE FUCKIN' WITH MINE

>>40184417
Kg

>>40184417
Rofl could you pull that in ounces???

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>>40184434

Is that achievable natty?

>>40184454

I can definitely pull it in oaksticks.

>>40184471
how do you convert instagram video to webms?

>>40184471
rapemodeengaged.exe

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>>40184486

To download the video on firefox:
- Open a video on the instagram page
- Right click anywhere and choose "View Page Info"
- Go to the "Media" tab and scroll down to the bottom of the list
- The last item in the list is the direct link to the video, copy and paste it in the browser
- Save video

To convert video:
- Free software: Webm for dummies/bakas aka Webmconverter
- Paid software: Adobe Premiere Pro
- Online converters: https://cloudconvert.com/

>>40184486
youtube-dl
ffmpeg

>>40184575
trappy, if you wanna do SLDLs (half knee-bend, no active quad engagement) with a straight back for as much weight as possible, is it necessary to keep the bar as close to the shins as possible?

>>40184575
have an upvote good sir!

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>>40184605

Bar over the centre of your feet. That might not be directly touching your shins.

Though... You can also do it with it touching the shins, that just means the centre of gravity will shift to your heels at the start and you'll pull with a technique that's not very similar to a regular DL.

>>40184629
bar closer to heels would mean slightly lower hip extension demands, right?
so if you want to maximize weight, that would be the way to go?

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>>40184376
>Bloated water buffalo is the best looking mode.
This.

>>40184394
>Powerlifting is good for lower body gains. I'd avoid it if you're not into looking like a trap
This.

>>40182815
my dhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick

holy fuck

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>>40178246
>>40184376
>You don't need testosterone to be thicc, you need oestrogen (for female fat distribution) and bulking.
Thicc = fat on muscle.
Without testosterone, it's just fat. Pic related.

>you will not look like a thicc woman, you'll look like a bear
It's funny that you say this because bears look exactly like thicc women in male clothes. It takes only one small step to transition from a bear to Kortney Olson.

>Testosterone will do the opposite of that.
You seem to be one of those people who think that feminine = immature. I believe that oestrogen makes people feminine and that testosterone gives people adult characteristics.

>>40178266
>when idiot calls me "a retard"
Thanks.

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>>40184647

Hmmm... no, I don't think so. If you're only moving the bar into position, it only changes the position of the shoulder joint and your centre of gravity.

The best option is keeping the bar over the middle of your feet, in my opinion. Kinda like how he pulls here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5zqEGSFI5A

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>>40184373
>dude powerlifts
>looks like shit
Speak for yourself little bitchboi

>>40184701
>File: 3ee483888ebea295e14710.jpg
Your cartoons are accurate depictions of women without testosterone: they are children.

>>40184701
if you start a SLDL with shins as vertical as possible, so knees over heels, then why would getting the bar closer to the shins not decrease hip extension demands?

>>40184693
Except you are retarded. None of the girls posted in Thicc threads have high test, none of the hot ones anyways. If they are muscular it's because they work out ROFL. The girl you posted has neither high estrogen nor testosterone.

Enjoy your manly dudes, fucking hilarious. Poe's law at work ladys and gents.

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>>40184737
>those
>women
How embarrassing

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>>40184373

>>40184720

remember when isley looked good? ;_;

why did you throw it all away breh

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>>40184720

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>>40184787
>shit quads insertions
>perfect everything else
Wew

>>40184787
I'm sorry man but you really do not look good. Strong, sure, but the lack of RoM really shows.

>>40184720
I just sent this to five female (female) friends and colleagues asking for r8s

>>40184804
>perfect everything else
You can't be looking at the same chest as I am

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>>40184822
Send this as well

>>40184812
lack of rom on what movement? I squat way bellow depth and i dl conv and on bench i only arch a little

its called doing no accessories not lack of rom

>>40184822
>female judges
Irrelevant. Women love twinks.

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>>40184693

>believe that oestrogen makes people feminine and that testosterone gives people adult characteristics

You're simply calling male sexual characteristics "adult characteristics". This isn't a "belief" issue, it's how it goes. Oestrogen and others will enhance female sexual characteristics, while testosterone will enhance male sexual characteristics.

The problem is that testosterone enhances male sexual characteristics. If someone is transgender, as in has actual gender dysphoria, that is just gonna make them feel worse about themselves.

In my opinion. I'm not a specialist, and I don't participate in any transgender community. I'm just saying this from my own experience, taking test instead of transitioning would only make me hate myself even more.
Maybe not everyone is like that, I don't know. But since I don't know, I wouldn't recommend it.

>>40184750

I'm not sure if I'm visualising what you're saying correctly, but the position where your muscles can pull the strongest is when the weight is over your centre of gravity. It is also the shortest range of motion (as the bar just has to move straight up).
Besides, if the weight goes behind your centre of gravity you can just fall over.

Correct me if I'm wrong though, I might just be having a brainfart.

>>40184737

So I'm also a child?

>>40184804

Those are the strongest quad insertions, though, due to having a longer moment arm.
He's a powerlifter, not a bodybuilder.

>>40184812

Dat broscience

>>40184838
First reply

"Woah, perfect if he grew a beard."

respondee #1 is a pudgy country girl.

>>40184840
>only arch a little
But yeah it probably is the lack of accessories as to why you have no upper chest and brachialis dominated arms.

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>>40184471
>achievable
Yeh

God I think I'm in love with matti

reminder that the more you weigh, the more masculine you appear to females

>>40184822
Now this is the kind of science we need more of here in /plg/

bw 91.5
227.5/247.5/255
142.5/152.5/157.5x
230/242.5/250x
650 total
411.5 wilks

I'll post a video later

>>40184857
RoM changing the composition of your muscles is far from broscience, rofl this is actually the person you take advice from people...

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>>40184892
To males as well

>>40184906
>still a deadlet ;_;

good job tho lad

>>40184906
>well past 400 wilks while being a deadlet

Talentlex is my inspiration and hope

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>>40184906

I almost guessed your squat, had betted on 257.5kg :P
Shame about the deadlift, though. What failed?

I wanna talk to you btw, show up when you're available. :3

>>40184874

>no upperchest

If you knew anything about bodybuilding, you will know that's simply the lighting and the angle of the photo.

>brachialis dominated arms

That is the stupidest piece of broscience I've heard. I bet you can't even point in the photo where the brachialis is.

>>40184908

That's not what I argued.
What I'm arguing is that you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

You are assuming he has short ROM on his lifts when he actually squats ATG, pulls conventional, and doesn't bench max grip (as if the bench ROM would affect his "muscle composition" anyways).

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>>40184874
lol my arms are far from dominating anything they are 13.5in around flexed

ive only recently been even training bench let alone doing it correctly

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>>40184775
>None of the girls posted in Thicc threads have high test
Thiccness = fat on muscles. There's no thiccness without muscles. Testosterone doesn't make your muscles smaller, right?

>The girl you posted has neither high estrogen nor testosterone.
That's Kim Kardashian BTW.

>>40184857
range of motion perpendicular to gravity hardly matters, especially if it's an inch or less.

but with deadlifts, you have some wiggle room for where to have the center of gravity.
it can be over the balls of the feet, over midfoot, or over the heels, without falling over.
midfoot is "safer", because if it changes a bit in either direction, you don't fall over.
but if you have it over your heels, and it changes a bit backward, you fall back.

what i was thinking is if you have your knees over your heels at the start of an SLDL, and the bar as close to the knees/heels as possible, then the moment arm for hip extension is the smallest.

in the tom martin video, it looks like he doesn't have his knees as far back as possible.
just a tad infront of his heels.
so then there's no reason for him to keep the bar to his shins.

is my reasoning correct?

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>>40184857
>So I'm also a child?
You are, sweatheart :).

>>40184960
it's pretty funny that by just looking at someone's quads, you can reasonably guess how their squat is gonna look like.

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>>40184910
>>40184892
>plsnobully.png
Except that's super feminine.

>>40184892
Completely true, can't wait to get back to bulking again

>>40184963
why do you keep on trying to push your ugly broads down our throats

>>40185000
To dispel your lies.

>>40184990
are you still trying to imply im reducing my rom lol

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>>40184996
> being gay is feminine
I bet your kiss girls faggot

>>40185028
first comment i made, dunno what that rom shit's about.

i meant big ass quads -> more upright squat.

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>>40184965

>what i was thinking is if you have your knees over your heels at the start of an SLDL, and the bar as close to the knees/heels as possible, then the moment arm for hip extension is the smallest.

Is having a shorter moment arm a good thing here though?
I mean, I might be having a brainfart, but doesn't a longer moment arm means a stronger pull?

>>40184979

I hope I never become an "adult" then~

>>40184957
>muh light excuse on a posed for photo

making a statement about his muscle ratios is broscience? Do you even know what the brachialis is retard. But I guess his arms aren't brachialis dominated their just small overall>>40184960

>he actually squats ATG
>frog's squats are ATG
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

*catches breath*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

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>>40185048
ah okay lol yea now i get what you mean

oly style of squatting is goat for development and for training untill meet prep imo

>>40185061
trappy, i get pain around my tailbone/ right upper buttcheek everytime front squat, what is this and how do i fix it?

>>40184963
>Testosterone doesn't make your muscles smaller, right?
No, it just makes your waist wider, hips narrower, shoulders broader, and jaw squarer. Sounds hawt right? Totally like the shit you see in Thicc threads right??

>>40185103
Sleep in a volcano

>>40184910
BBBBBBBBBRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPP

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>>40185088

>making a statement about his muscle ratios is broscience?

The problem isn't making a statement, is making an incorrect statement.

>not atg

Wow you really are retarded. >>40183328

>>40185103

SI Joint dysfunction? Or do you feel the pain is muscular?

>>40185140
doesn't feel like any other muscle pain i've felt before, seems to only happen when i get to/ go below parallel

>>40185061
maybe moment arm isn't the right word, but a longer moment arm would be better if you look at muscle insertions.
e.g. if a muscle inserts further from the joint, it can effectively exert more force.
it won't look as nice and full as a muscle that inserts close to the joint.

what i meant was the distance of the application of force to the joint.
e.g. skullcrusher top position (wrist over elbow, smallest elbow extension moment arm) vs forearm parallel to the floor (distance from wrist to elbow in the normal plane of gravity is the largest).

How is the fit on official SBD and IPF shirts?

Are they cut for maximal mires?

>>40185140
Every time someone says something wrong, it's broscience? Are you really that much of a walking meme?

The fact that you spend this much time around lifters and think either of those back squats are even CLOSE to ass to grass is sad and pathetic. You are a joke. Just because it's deeper than the weighted curtsies most powerlifters do, which is a pretty fucking low bar(no pun intended) to set, doesn't mean he's even sniffing full RoM.

>>40185088
you definitely have only looked at my recent meet prep vids if you laugh at that statement

>>40185199
Just because you don't know anyone who squats ATG does not mean you squat ATG.

*sips*

*bbbbraaaaaappppp*

Excuse me - finn

>>40185061
>>40185160
consider a wrench turning a bolt.
if you want to apply the most force on the bolt, you want a longer moment arm.
you'd grab the wrench at the end, not in the middle.
in this case a longer moment arm is "better".

but that's not what happens in the human body.
what happens is that there's an external force acting near the end of the wrench, and you have your hand near the bolt.
you can either move your hand farther from the bolt (better muscle insertions) or move the external force closer to your hand and the bolt (shorten the moment arm).
so in this case the moment arm of the external force sohuld be as small as possible.

does that make it more clear?

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>>40184906
SMASHED
M
A
S
H
E
D

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>>40185247
>not atg
>pic related

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>>40185160

Hmmm. I thought you were talking about the actual moment arm of the muscles at the hip joint (they vary accordingly to the degree at the joint, pic related).

Yeah, I guess I haven't thought much about the SLDL before, but what you say makes sense.
I think I agree that having the bar closer to the hips should make it easier for the hip extensors. Maybe pulling SLDLs with the weight closer to the heels isn't a bad idea.
I don't know, I don't have much experience or even have put much thought into SLDLs cause I've always disliked them and favoured other variations.
But yeah it makes sense at first glace.

>>40185196

>it's only ATG if your butt is actually touching the ground

Oh god, you're another one of those.
No one cares about your memes, shoo shoo.

>>40185312
nice photoshop faggot.

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>>40185412

>>40185321
but having the bar closer to the hips doesn't really matter, otherwise hip extension demands would be way lower on sumo than conventional deadlifts.

i was thinking that you'd want to minimize the distance between the bar and end point of the femur (which would be the knees in a deadlift).

but then that would also mean that more forward knee travel in a squat doesn't decrease hip extension demands by virtue of having the hips closer under the bar.

>>40185424
but what does it mean?

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>>40185443

>>40185321
>>40185441
to clarify, i'm a bit confused on my last statement.
do you think it's correct?

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>>40185247

>pic related
>not atg

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>>40185441

>hip extension demands would be way lower on sumo than conventional deadlifts

It is a bit lower, in a way. But sumo also adds movement in another plane (your hips have to extend diagonally instead of just forwards)

>>40185312
Nice angle
Nice weight on the bar

>>40185321
Are you aware there is a middle ground between ass on the floor and a foot and a fucking half off it? I've had about enough of your faggotry, anything that goes against muh lifting culture is a meme or broscience.

>>40185508
Coach trappy what should I do with my bench

>want to inflate my bench for Sheiko
>inflate 10lbs
>5x6, 65% today, feels really easy inflated
>try 80% for two pause triples and 85% for a tng double
>feels hard but chest is also sore a bit
>Monday's workout is 2x3 @80% then 3x2@85%

Should I just go for the inflation and eat more? Or should I not inflate?

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>>40185541
didnt think the weight matted but here it is anyway

also the angle means nothing you can easily see how high my knee is in relation to my hip

you prob have long femurs if you cant see im doing atg im sorry for your genetics

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>>40185551

You can keep the inflation and only pause the first rep.
Otherwise, just lower the inflation a bit. Like 7-8lbs instead of 10, something like that, idk how lbs works.

Just make sure technique is good.

>>40185583
mattered*

>>40185587
Alright. I'll go to maintenance calories for the next week and a half up to test week then. I'll see how it goes, hopefully I smesh it

>>40185535
yeah, i know that, i've seen that pic on nuckols articles tool.

but do you think what im saying at the end here >>40185441 is correct?

hmmm i want to fap but i need my sexual energy to power tomorrows session hmmm

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>>40184857
>You're simply calling male sexual characteristics "adult characteristics".
Or you're simply calling adult characteristics "male characteristics"? "Testosterone is a male hormone" is an old meme of the same tier as "women are weak".

>If someone is transgender, as in has actual gender dysphoria, that is just gonna make them feel worse about themselves.
Only if their idea of "feminine" is "immature".

Equating "feminine" with "immature" is a longstanding defect of white skinned races. It's especially sad when transwomen help perpetuate this oppressive misconception when they should be at the forefront of gender revolution.

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>>40185118
>No, testosterone just makes your waist wider, hips narrower
If you were honest, you would consider the possibility that deficit of estrogen does that.

>shoulders broader, and jaw squarer.
That's not masculinity, that's sexual maturity.

>>40185042
>liking weak women
That's not "being straight", that's paedophilia.

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>>40185603

Hip ext demands on a squat with more forward knee travel are lower (and quad demands are higher).

>>40185637

I didn't say testosterone is a male hormone.
It's obviously a hormone for both sexes, just like oestrogen.

But just like oestrogen enhances female sexual characteristics (and sexual maturity during puberty), testosterone enhances male sexual characteristics (and sexual maturity).

>Only if their idea of "feminine" is "immature".

I honestly think you're the one equating feminine with immature here. You said I'm a child just because I'm not muscular.

>>40185583
I do have long femurs why thank you.

Ill admit this one is pretty close but your shins and thighs are rotated way too far forward for me to call that atg.

Atg is not just touching hams to calves, you need to be making your torso, shins, and thighs as vertical as possible which yoh clearly are not doing

>>40185676
post ur lifting shoe pasta

>>40185649
You're right dude chad doesnt have high test it's just a "lack of estrogen"

Weak argument is weak kys

>>40185680
man i thought you were being serious untill now
that bait was way too obvious shoo shoo

your welcome for all the (you)s i gave you

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>>40185689

All of the shoes described below are great, including the cheapest options.
Heel height is personal preference.

Remember to look for sales. They're very common.

<- : trappy picks

Cheap but Great:
Adidas Powerlift 1/2/3 (1.5cm heel) <-
Wei-Rui Warrior (2cm heel) <-
Wei-Rui VX3 (2cm heel)
VS Athletics (3.3cm heel)** <-
VS Athletics 2 (3.5cm heel)**
Do-Win Gong-Lu 2 (2.5cm heel)
Sabo Gym (1.5cm heel)
Do-Win Gong-Lu 3 (2cm heel)
Sabo Deadlift (flat heel)
Wrestling shoes (flat heel) (multiple brands) <-

Mid-tier:
Adidas PowerPerfect 2 (2.1cm heel) <-
Adidas Drehkraft (2.1cm heel)
Risto Tiburon 2 (2.2cm heel) <-
Risto Deadlift (flat heel)
Sabo Powerlift/Weightlift (2cm heel)
Reebok CrossFit Lifter Plus 2.0 (2cm heel) <-
Inov-8 Fastlift (1.7cm heel)
Do-Win Pendlay (2cm heel)

Expensive tier:
Adidas Adipower (2cm heel) <-
Adidas Crazypower (2cm heel)*
Nike Romaleos 2/3 (2cm heel) <-
Risto Olimpico (2.2cm heel) <-
Reebok Legacy Lifter (2cm heel)*
Anta Chinese Weightlifting (2cm heel)*
Adidas Leistung 2 (2.5cm heel)

Collectors tier:
Asics 727 Tiger (2cm heel)* <-
Adidas Adistar 2008 (2cm heel)* <-
Adidas Ironwork 3 (2cm heel)* <-
Rogue Rippetoe Powerlifting (1.3cm heel)
Do-Win Rogue (1.3cm or 2cm heel)

* precise measurement unknown
** probably not the effective heel height. Adipowers have 3.3cm heel height, but effective heel height is 2cm.

>>40185551
What's inflation?

>>40185721
Nice argument

Its ok dude maybe if you believe hard enough your squats will be atg!

>>40185727
but find me the sales plz

>>40185748
>shins vertical
dude thats pure retardation not a argument

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>>40185753

1 sale = 1 dicc pic?

>>40185759
dont make me report you for sexual harassment

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>>40185680
>shins vertical
HOLY SHIT LMAO

w2c a nice hoodie?

>>40185757
>vertical AS POSSIBLE
taking my words out of context is not an argument fucking moron

>>40185772
>>40185772
This asian manlet is strong AF and he can train how he wants. Same with Frog to be quite honest. But don't call it ass to grass when it's only pretty close.

>>40185676
but if the distance between hip socket and bar doesn't affect hip extension demands (like is the case with sumo and conv), then how can a shorter distance between bar and hip socket lower hip ext demands in a squat?

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>>40181378
its a shitty squat for unathletic fat people with poor muscular insertions and inability to activate quads

>>40185843
says the unathletic fat kid

Can you get big arms from powerlifting or do you need to add a shitload of accessories?

My arms are fucking twigs (13.5inches)

>>40185824
they both are the same height so they are both manlets also you can find no good wl with super vertical shins in squat

>>40185866
who says powerlifting doesn't have accesories

>>40185850
unathletic fat kid who is right.

>>40185866
If you want big arms you need to lift arms. Bench and OHP only do so much.

>>40185676
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>>40185866
You don't need to add a shitload of accessories. Just do the majority of your benching with a moderately narrow grip and curl 5xf 3-4 times a week

>>40185886
he did.
can't you read?

>>40185886
I don't think doing pullups/curls once a week is enough

Plus, you add too many accessories, you might as well follow a bodybuilding split

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>>40185833

>but if the distance between hip socket and bar doesn't affect hip extension demands

It does.
The problem with sumo is that while it reduces it on a plane, it creates demand on another plane.

>>40185850

>almost feb 2017
>people still responding to panzer's shitty baits

>>40185797

pic

>>40185866
you need accessories

-t. noodlearm man

>>40185890
i dont care about big arms all i said is my arms dont dom anything on my body

>>40185896
i aint listening to the boy with small arms
>>40185901
>I don't think doing pullups/curls once a week is enough
so dont train like a dumbass

>Plus, you add too many accessories, you might as well follow a bodybuilding split
not true at all

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>I participate in a sport where I pick up a barbell approximately 12 to 18 inches off of the floor once then put it back down

k

>>40185877
>also you can find no good wl with super vertical shins in squat
Because it's hard as shit to even do, much less perform high RPE(11) sets. I rep 135 squat and 700 on the leg press, I assume most high profile lifters don't want to look like a bitch.

Also obviously it would never be used in competions, oly or pl

>>40185914
wutttt

>>40185907
accessories are way less important then people say they are maybe in the higher more adv stages you do but really if you dont care about looking good it barely will matter

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>>40185905
God I want that hoodie so bad

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How can trappy continue posting on 4chins when his facebook is public knowledge along side his wiener pictures

>>40185929
id like to see anyone squatting at your definition of atg on a regular biases
you'd have to have the most specific levers to be able to do it it makes no sense thatd be the definition in any sense