/Fraud/ "Steroid General" and social club

>>39556003
I bulk then use clen to cut fast, am I a fraud?

>>39556017

What do you think idiot?

>>39556065
n-no?

I know we "can't" post links, but I'm getting really fucked off with finding decent sources.

So much shit online. Some people raving about a certain lab saying they're great, then loads more people say they're awful. Then the lab in question post on a forum saying a rival lab is actually posting fake shit about them to steal business, then people post in defense of the rival lab, and on, and on, and fucking on.

Anyone any tips?

UKfag here too, so what makes it even more annoying is gear isn't even illegal.

>>39556269
Ask in the fraud discord channel, should be in the archives.

>>39556292
The what? Link?

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>>39556292
>fraud discord channel
More like pure autism from natties and 1st cycle retards

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On my second DNP cycle and I'm starting to get slight rashes.
Arms are looking a little splotchy.
Legs - specifically calves - are getting itchy.

I'm taking Zyrtec in the morning and getting Benadryl for the night.
Should I just quit this shit? It's nothing I can't live with but it is annoying. Weird since I didn't get it my first cycle.

Pic related: my arm

>>39556321

>jerry bullies you

REEE
E
E
E

>pure autism

SO YOU'LL FIT IN, YOU SHOULD COME BANTZ WITH US

>>39556332

>that scar

Ex was into knifeplay too?

>>39556376
Scar is actually from a dog that attacked me when I was little. I have a bunch of teeth marks all over my arm from it

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>>39556292
>>39556321
Ya seriously it's nothing but natty frog posters aka hell on earth.
Who's idea was this anyway.

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>>39553462
Thanks for this post - fascinating.

> I think a sexual awakening via roids was one of the biggest changes for me

I'm actually a bit concerned about this happening. Was your prior lack of attraction toward women just a physical thing (i.e., you weren't opposed to the idea of fucking women but just didn't have the physical drive) or an intellectual thing (i.e., you found women to be a waste of time and not worth the effort)?

The reason I ask is because I've been doing a bit of research on androgen receptor modulated brain development and maturation. Also T inhibits cortisol (see pic related for significance).

By 25 most of that maturation is over for normals but if someone is low T, I think there's probably a bit more scope for mental changes of this type to happen even at that age.

In my mind, the "intellectual" lack of interest would persist throughout any additional brain changes that result from roids, because they're of the nature of belief/experience as opposed to the absence of a physical drive.

Though, it might be a sort of rationalization or "sour grapes" thing. I used to think that being uninterested with women was very much an intellectual conclusion but after discovering the similarity of my views with the r9k/MGTOW incels (who are more likely rationalizing) I sometimes question whether or not I'm in that same category

>since I had conceded I would never know/understand love or raise children

Is this something that has changed for you? Do you want kids now?

Was opening up to the idea of kids something that happened independent of the sexual awakening or as a result/consequence of it? I could see the idea of kids becoming appealing after having sex or a relationship with a woman, but am curious as to roids potentially making you a normal person independent of awakening your sex drive (which would be further evidence that brain maturation can be affected by roids even at 24/25)

>t. 25 khhv (if that makes the questions make more sense)

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WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS FUCKING BULLSHIT.

Where is my fucking DIM.

Where are my fucking test vials.
Last time i ordered they arrived after 3 days.

Now its been 5 days already.
Its a fucking neighboor country, how long can this shit take?

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Going on the deathcut soon.

~18% to just below 10%, or around 21lbs to lose

Assuming 1kcal/day deficit it should take 2.5 months. Going to run psmf with pre and post workout carbs so it should really only be around 2 months.


Problem is I have no idea how to program for a cut like this. Usually kept my cuts hard under two weeks or mild to the point it barely made a difference. Last year had life catch up, no excuse really but cleaning up my mess now.

Anyone have an idea of how to structure my workouts so that I don't die from glycogen depletion mid-bench? I usually do ULUxULx but I know that I won't be able to keep up with a serious deficit going on.


Was thinking either a classic muscle group split or a PPL thing. Reduce overall frequency so I can maintain some intensity and volume.


Anyone have any thoughts or opinions? Thanks guys.

>>39556438
>this guy again
>another autism post

HOP ON
O
P
O
N

>>39556442
did you not account for the start of the holiday season?

Wait what the fuck dbol DECREASED RBC? WTF

I have some on hand but I hated the shit and stopped using it from the bloat

Does it actually lower fucking rbc? What about hematocrit

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>>39556468
I've got my gear (4x TestE, 2x EQ) in the mail m8, doctor appointment next week where I either get the script or do my first UGL pin :)

Also already got tons of pharma AI, dick pills (even though I don't use my dick for anything other than pissing), HCG, and even PCT (since I ordered back when I still believed in the cycling meme).

I forget that autism is not as endearing as I imagine it to be lol. I love reading autism posts on /pol/ and /his/ (not so much the /r9k/ variety) but it probably stands out like a sore thumb here.

Sorry bout your DIM btw, plz keep us updated on it. Are you using it for acne? Or for general health/skin reasons?

>>39556438
You can't predict these kinds of things. Neurochemistry is far too complex.

Also, you are very clearly over-rationalizing. Your opinions have already been formed you're using a rational structure as justification.

Educate yourself on health effects. Make a pros/cons list. Figure your shit out dont over ruminate and seek justification through autistic morons on a Latvian discount soap exchange help desk.

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>>39556360
I was

It was retarded
Using meme arrows isnt le ebin bantz xd

>>39556455
>1k deficit
>pmsf

Uh
How small are you?

>>39556438
I can't even talk to women and I want kids
Was low test though

Is muscle memory a meme and does it work for off cycle gains

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>>39556499
>Sorry bout your DIM btw

th-thank you *sniff*.

Yes acne.

Autism is okay to some extent.
I use autism for games, philosophy, moral values, movies and important shit like steroids, drugs, life decisions.

Using autism for social stuff is a bad idea.

>>39556476
Its november nigger, not christmas

>>39556557
Muscle memory is legit af.

Gained all of my gains back after 8 weeks post-injury.

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>>39556549
>I can't even talk to women and I want kids

>>39556549
I went over this.
>it should really only be around 2 months

I'm also counting in planned refeeds as well as getting really stoned or drunk or whatever one night and eating an entire ice cream cake out of pure self loathing. Gotta plan for the worst you know.

welcome to neo-/fraud/ where 90% of posters are natty cucks spreading disinformation and random feels shit because "posters here are so cool and nice"

thanks for ruining everything I like

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>>39556609
Im sure ill impregnate my pillow eventually
Everything will work out

>>39556610
Thats whats cool about pmsf
Drink ed still lose 3lbs

>>39556578
Is this documented or just broscience

What a terrible day at work. Can someone please show his current body, so i can feel better about myself again

>>39556442
You ordered from the source i gave you?

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>>39556656

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>>39556501
>Educate yourself on health effects. Make a pros/cons list.

Yeah, I'm sold on the more physical risk/reward profile. I feel like the over-rumination you're noticing is something that (based on /fraud/ anecdotes) kinda dies out after jumping on - I've read and talked to a few people here who say that roids cured their depression or inability to act that was born out of this sort of chronic overthinking.

Maybe searching for a chemical culprit is misguided but there are definitely patterns that start to emerge with all the anecdotes.

But your point is taken. As I mentioned later, I'm going to be pinning within a week and a half one way or another (script TRT or UGL).

>>39556549
>I can't even talk to women and I want kids
jerry your kids would be so cool. Would you be okay being a single dad? Or would you want the traditional nuclear family setup?

>>39556568
What is autism for movies? Like over analyzing the message and finding deeper meanings?

I am still kinda conflicted about what the truly coherent way to approach drugs (the recreational ones, not sterons) is while remaining autistically true to my philosophy and moral values.

I did a fair amount of psychedelics in my youth which really set me flying down the spirituality and philosophy path and made me a very str8 edge person.

But now after having worked for a while and gotten into a bit of a rut, I can't really figure out whether returning to psychedelics would be disingenuous (as I haven't really forgotten the "message" of psychedelics - that flame has been kept alive through continued philosophical/spiritual practice) or pragmatic (there's no way that reading books and contemplation can give you that visceral "brain reset" that an eighth of shrooms can).

Maybe I'll hold off on forming any meaningful opinions until I'm 8 weeks into a cruise.

>>39556656

>hurr if you don't use roids you can't post in my secret club

The trips here have a lot of personality and are likable.

If you want to decrease the average amount of personality and likability of trips and drive natty cucks away, then you should trip.

>>39556674

What went wrong masT, sorry to hear.

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>>39556438
>Was your prior lack of attraction toward women just a physical thing or an intellectual thing

There was no attraction, I literally saw them as no different than pretty pictures, or male sculptures desu. I could appreciate the aesthetic but the idea of dickin em didn't even factor in.

>Is this something that has changed for you? Do you want kids now?
I always wanted kids, I just accepted it wouldn't happen due to my inability to foster relationships. I still want kids, but tren made me fuck a whole bunch of 16-19 yr olds and well it's been fun i'm not really into wifin up/havin kids with someone a decade younger than me.

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>>39556674
THICC

>>39556725
I guess id be okay with it but id like a wife so the workload is split

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>>39556672
There are well documented mechanisms. Two primary ones would be myonuclei density and improvements in the strength and efficiency of the neuromotor system.

I'd suggest reading up on myonuclei, pretty interesting stuff.

>>39556657
364 days of the year I don't drink. I like weed and stims and psys. But damn sometimes I just want to get really really drunk and make bad decisions.

>>39556674
Here you go, can't promise it won't make you feel worse out of jelly though

>>39556753
Would this guys low bf% mean that he's high test but just doesn't use his muscles? Or would a truly high test person have more muscles by default?

>>39556672
its documented because i saw it on myself, doofus

>>39556674
yes, this is my second order.

NL is 200km away from me.

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>39556789
It means he doesn't eat

>>39556725
>Like over analyzing the message and finding deeper meanings

Yes this. Talking about specific scenes, and how good they are.

Talking about emotions, how the movie makes me feel like, what it does/mean for me etc.

>>39556753

>6 lbs a month

Bulking a little too fast for a natty no? The reason large surplus is recommend for people using AAS is so they can get the maximum gains out of their cycle... you only need +250 as a natty

Feel free to correct me guys Disclaimer: I'm retarded and don't know shit

>>39556455
Bumping this.

What should programming look like on a big cut like this?

>>39556865
You're going to need to narrow down the parameters of that question or else all you get is opinion and broscience

>>39556922

*IN YOUR OPINION* What is the ideal weight gain for a natty, novice lifter on his first or second bulk per month.

IE large enough to ensure high LBM gain, while minimizing gain of fat.

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Can a physique like this be built on a really tall frame, without needing Tren?

Would testosterone only at like 500mg weekly, with decent training and diet probably do?

Pic related, 7'1" 340 pound former pro wrestler.

>>39556966
7'1" ? damn

yes you can.
yes test alone is enough.

but a single cycle wont get you there, its gonna take some time

>>39556948
Depends on a lot of things. How fat the trainee already is, energy turnover, how long they've been training, macros, simple genetics, etc.


That said, about 2-3lbs a month weight gain on average will yield very little fat gain.

>>39556948
a 6'0 140 lbs skeleton can get away with a much larger bulk than the 6'0 170 lbs guy for example

+500 cal is the catch-all recommendation because that's a pound/week. taper up/down from there

>>39556966
>without needing Tren?
do you even know what tren does jesus christ

that look can probably be achieved natty (idk bout 7 feet though) and if not tren is the last drug that guy needs. hes like 15% BF

Would 40mg Nolva ED for 4-6 weeks be enough to reverse minor gyno?

>>39556991
>>39557005

Right thank you guys. I've been cutting from skinny fat to skeleton and am rapidly approaching skeleton and just wondering how much weight I want to see gained each month on the scale when I do that first bulk.

Sorry for shitting up fraud with my questions but obviously you guys have been training for years have a lot of knowledge etc as opposed to the rest of the board that will troll me /meme at me/people that look like I do offering advice like experts

Should I aim for +250 and 3 lbs gained a month?

Obviously as a recovering skinny fat there is that lingering paranoia about gaining fat and looking fat etc

appreciate the help

>>39556321
>>39556360

Where the fuck does one find this? There's like a million 4chan archives/clones.

>>39557061
You should eat more than before and adjust based on results. That's all.

Anybody here got any success stories involving just running one cycle or very few/infrequent cycles (< 1 every 5 years, lets say)?

I'm interested in doing one or maybe two cycles to get my gains started (after one year of natty lifting) and for some of the other purported positive effects (denser beard growth/etc), but I definitely don't want to commit to staying on steroids for longer, or repeating that more than maybe once every five-or-so years.

But if it's too hard to keep the gains after cycling off, there wouldn't be much of a point, I guess. I'm committed to continuing lifting anyway, so if steroids don't bring me closer to my natural max significantly faster, I'm willing to just take the long route.

How bad is the suppression until your test recovers afterwards? Do you lose a lot of gains during that period? How much of your gains is really just water retention/glycogen in your muscles, and how much of it do you keep past two weeks after your cycle is over? Is there anything commonly done to help test recover faster?

>>39557208
keeping all your gains after you come off is very realistic.

when you come off, you lose artificial mass, which is water and glycogen and you lose the "roid look", eg. disgusting veins.

Apart from that, most of your solid muscle stays, for a very long time.

the thing is, how likely is it that you will never skip the gym in the next 5 years after your cycle?

how likely is it that you wont cut down very harshly in the next 5 years?

Its not hard to keep roid gains, but once you lose them, you will need roids to get em back.

cycling is a meme. just BnC. Permanent shutdown isnt a thing.

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>>39557238

>cycling is a meme. just BnC. Permanent shutdown isnt a thing.

>>39557238
Thanks for the answer.

I really only want to be a little more muscular than I am now, after one year of natty lifting. If I could have 5kg or 10kg more muscle-mass and hold on to that, I would be more than satisfied. I expect this would take me at probably 2 more years to get to, naturally.

I'm not so worried about permanent shutdown as other things, e.g.

- my sources becoming unavailable (I don't have any sources right now, and don't know if I can find any, but this kind of stuff is very tightly regulated in my country.) Even stuff like nolva/clomid/arimidex/etc is pretty hard to get a hold of.

- raised cholesterol and other health issues (maybe my body just won't tolerate roids that well, who knows)

- increased igf-1 signalling etc which raises cancer risks in the long term

- possible mood/motivational changes etc, I'm a 100% brain-worker and need to keep on the top of my game academically or I'm fucked

etc. So I think cruising is not for me.

Also, do you know if test can end up permanently lowered after cycling/BnCing for prolonged periods of time? Since test is linked to personal wellness and motivation, I really don't want to fuck up my natural test.

>>39557301

> Since test is linked to personal wellness and motivation, I really don't want to fuck up my natural test.

Just BnC until you die baby. Never have to worry about that.

>>39557332
Sounds nice, but see the reasons I listed for why I think that isn't the best option for me.

>>39557301
>do you know if test can end up permanently lowered after cycling/BnCing for prolonged periods of time

No, and the people who experienced this didnt do proper PCT.

Sometimes, people end up with even higher natural levels than before.

>>39557347
Sounds good. I know an MD who can probably monitor me during my cycle & PCT and do blood panels (he works with lots of athletes and other roiders,) so that I can hit the right Est. levels during PCT.

I guess the main issue then is to find a reliable source for all the paraphernalia I would need to run a proper cycle + PCT.

>>39557372
reddit SST.

where do you live

>>39557301

Make up your own mind but this is what I think when I read your reasons.

>- my sources becoming unavailable (I don't have any sources right now, and don't know if I can find any, but this kind of stuff is very tightly regulated in my country.) Even stuff like nolva/clomid/arimidex/etc is pretty hard to get a hold of.

You can bulk order raws from China and be set for life. Worst case:

>you run out of raws (unlikely) or
>raws go bad (possible) or
>domestic UGLs and chinese raw sources are unavailable (not sure about likelihood)

In that case, you have enough stockpiled SERM/HCG that you bought today to easily come off and make a good recovery.

You only need SERMs if you're going to PCT or if you suspect gyno developing.

>- raised cholesterol and other health issues (maybe my body just won't tolerate roids that well, who knows)

As for the "my body" stuff, that's entirely something you'll find out with trial and error. Lipid/cholesterol levels can actually be helped by cruise dose. Just don't blast recklessly for too long or too often.

>- increased igf-1 signalling etc which raises cancer risks in the long term

Again, something I doubt is going to be an issue on cruise doses.

>- possible mood/motivational changes etc, I'm a 100% brain-worker and need to keep on the top of my game academically or I'm fucked

This falls under the "maybe for my body" category of concern. Possible, but most people describe an increase in mood stability and motivation.

What are your natty test levels? If you don't know, find out. Also, age/height?

>>39557347
>Sometimes, people end up with even higher natural levels than before.
Interesting. Never heard of this before. Maybe changes in body composition while on roids lower your baseline aromatization level.

>>39557414
Not only that, but Year long BnC's give you roid gains after you come off.

Permanent increased count of androgen receptors and such

>>39557409
Norway

>>39557414
Thanks, loads of great info there!

> bulk order raws from China

I think customs would probably catch it at some point. Maybe not the first time around, but even then, once they've caught me once, I'll be on their shitlist and they will probably double-check every package I ever receive from then on... Also, I'm not happy to inject anything that I don't have a Certificate of Authenticity from a third-party lab for, and maybe spectras to prove purity. Maybe if the source is highly community-vetted.

> natty test levels
somewhere between 400-500, I think on the last panel I got something like 460 or so, but that was after a stressful month at work, so maybe 500 normally when I get enough sleep. 27 years old, 186cm

Another reason why I'm tending more towards cycling infrequently is social/psychological -- I don't want my girlfriend/others to find out by becoming too big (and by constantly pinning/taking stuff), and I think if I don't set very clear schedules on the "when" and "what", I'll end up being tempted to just stack more stuff and keep increasing the dosage. Psychologically for myself, I would want this to be more like a cheatcode I allow myself to use maybe once every five-or-so years, not something that is normal to me.

I got a question for you guys, I previously had gyno(About 5 months ago) I got surgery for it and I'm thinking of cycling, What is the likely hood of it coming back while I'm on juice, I meant to ask the doctor but I didn't know how he would feel about me talking openly about taking steroids.

>>39556656
At least they all leave rather quickly whether from jealousy of roids, being a pussy to roid themselves, or being blown the fuck out like that retard just now who was pretending he was on tren and giving advice while being natty...

>>39557528
You think the doctor is gonna say steroids will cause gyno, or do you think hes gonna say "nah its fine just take aromasin kid"

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>>39557494
>customs
Yeah, not sure what the customs situation is in Norway - you might want to ask around on reddit if anyone has experience receiving stuff in your country.

>Also, I'm not happy to inject anything that I don't have a Certificate of Authenticity from a third-party lab for, and maybe spectras to prove purity.

You can and should get this for any raws you have before brewing. There's a guy jano who does it for most of the SST vendors/users.

>between 400-500
Alright, so you're not in the alarmingly low category but IIRC this is relatively low. Another thing to check is free T.

If you do decide to do it infrequently, go ahead and keep checking these levels. Maybe your mind will change once they drop below a certain threshold and you start experiencing more negative effects.

>social/psychological

Very understandable. Huge social stigma around roid use which is not going to go away anytime soon.

And yes, I think the possibility of getting more and more extreme is there. What I would suggest is looking at it as a self-administered TRT instead of a "getting big cheatcode" but honestly your plan of infrequent cycling is fine and probably going to improve your quality of life anyways.

Best of luck!

>>39557494
Norway isnt easy, definetely get a domestic source.

Or atleast once from an european Union country

>>39557581
wait no norway isnt EU.

buy domestic

>>39557006

Actually with a physique like that at 15%ish that guy would be an ideal candidate to start Tren.

That is exactly what a Test only user ought to look like before adding in Tren for even more muscular size, while going down to <10% for more definition.

Fucker would probably be 370 at 8% after a propper Test & Tren & GH blast at his height. Better be doing cardio and checking his BP daily so he stays alive.

>>39557528
If you're a fat fatty and going to produce a lot of E there's a chance it'll come back if you don't take AI. Might be prudent to take a course of ralox (low sides) in the start of a cruise period (low dose T) to ensure it doesn't flare up while you get your bf% down.

>>39557573
>>39557581
>>39557590

Thanks a lot, I'll do some more investigating with that input.

>>39557006

If he's on just Test he might be under 15%. Could be 12% with the rest being sub-Q water.

Lotta test only guys look almost exactly like that, just without the tiny head.

But yeah, he's not big enough and too smooth to be on Tren.

>>39556966

He skips head day.

>>39556966

WTF would you want to look like that skinny fat guy?

If that's your goal just get a tan. Actually get a spray on so you too can be orange.

Guys my DNP will be in a few days. Any tips for not sweating like a pig during my work hours. I've read dosing in the evening will help with sweating during the day although it will make it hard to sleep.

>>39557689

He 7'1 bro he ain't gonna look like that natty

>>39557738
Is it crystal or powder?

Crystal was much easier to deal with. I only ever felt like I was getting periodic hot flashes. Not all day sweating.

Watch your symptoms though. My first cycle I got a couple pimple-like hives and didn't pay it any mind. Now on my second cycle I'm breaking out in a rash everywhere. I gotta drop the cycle

>>39557689

I think your male physique standards are skewed from looking at too many male bodybuilders while you fap

>>39556736
Work pressure.

>>39556753
Mirin bnc for 3 years now i see?

>>39556805
You like the brand i told you. Fuck it might be ug, but fuck it's DAMN GOOD. Best i had, I will never change anymore

How do you order? Via bitcoins or cash? You can also now pay via bitcoins, never did that before.

>>39557739

Does it take higher doses to help taller guys get huge/fill out?

I figure everything just scales up proportionately.

That guy was probably 275 pounds before he even lifted.

HOLY SHIT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FkkHT1jsmU

The thickness is insane!!! Can't wait to grow some muscle again and leave DYEL STATUS

>>39557995
It's crystal. What was the max you went up to and how were your results? I'm thinking of going to 500mg after 4 days of 250

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>>39556966
>a physique like this
>without needing Tren
>treN
>testosterone only at like 500mg
>with decent training and diet

This is the guy at the gym doing the same exercise over and over again. Totally clueless what he is doing

BUT WE ELL GENNE MEKE IT. Just be yourselff

>>39558130
His arms are unreal, like seriously unreal.

I always wanted to see guys as big as him, but without the roid gut.

But it seems like, its impossible to get this big without taking drugs that also give you turtle gut

>>39556805
gibe me sause im fbi

>>39558156
I maxed out at 500mg. Ran a 10-day cycle.
3-days at 250mg
7-days at 500mg

I ended up losing about 14lbs.
I wouldn't go too much higher. Diminishing gains at higher doses

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The more i get into the wage cuck world, the more i understand how fucking dirty business it is. Especially the managers. They will do anything to get into that position they want and will use you to get them what they want. Playing dirty tricks and political games

Literally everyone is backstabbing each other. I thought i was narcissistic, but it's not compared to those people at work. It's crazy guizys, crazy

>>39558266
Best arms and forearms in the business. The genetics in that area are just unreal. His belly is under control now. It's probably due to lots of carbs and insulin now @ off season.

>>39558124

Yes and no.

It might take higher doses to reach the same blood levels as shorter guys.

Think about it, if a guy is 6'8", let alone 7'1", he is going to have double the overall bodyweight and organ size, and total blood volume as a guy who is say 5'9".

The 5'9" guy might be at 4,000 ng/dl at 400mg Test, but the guy over a foot taller will only be at 2,000 ng/dl because its spread out in a larger amount of fluid.

All medications are dosed by body size, and lean bodymass, especially organs and frame size effect this a lot.

That said a taller guy will gain muscle at similar % rate if he has the same blood levels.

Granted the super tall guy won't ever get the classic bodybuilder proportions as their skeletal proportions are different.

The human body does not scale up in 1:1 ratios, otherwise we would all look like giant midgets.

Bones might get 10% longer, but only get 7% bigger around. Collar bones might only get 5% longer too. Sure everything grew, but no uniformly.

>>39558335
where do you work mast, telecom marketing?

>>39558311
Was 10 days challenging? I was going to go straight into 21 day cycle

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>>39558343
So you're saying that at 6'4" I need 1.5x the dose a manlet takes?

>>39558613
>>39558343

2000ng/dl vs 4000ng/dl is a bit over the top.

I think it would make like a 1000 difference.

>>39558629
That's nice and all but you're a fucking retard so who cares what you think.

>>39557590
it's not EU but it's schengen, therefore I'm pretty sure ordering stuff from europe is fine

>>39558335
Welcome to reality.
Humans are trash.

>>39558515
Truthfully not really. The only reason I stopped at 10 days was because thanksgiving was coming up and I wanted to be able to drink with the family.

Just listen to your body though.

Fuck you juicy fucks.

So tempted to start my blast a month early as I have everything. But Christmas and I won't be able to prep food properly for a lot of this month due to travel.

I know I should wait but damm I want to launch from steady cruise mode to machine mode.

Fuck.

>>39558406

MasT is an applications engineer IIRC

>>39558163

What does this post mean MasT.

You're saying it's achievable naturally right?

Keep in mind yes, that guy looks fatter and smaller than you natty, but he is over 1 foot taller than you.

Pls post more qt girls, thenks

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>>39559383

There's a vitamin shop near me that I recently entered for the first time. I noticed in the men's health section that they had several bottles of "natural testosterone boosters". The lady at the desk said they're not steroids because they only increase your natural testosterone, not add more to you artificially. I was unsure about this and thought it would be best to ask the juicers of /fit/. Are these "natural test boosters" legit or is it just pagan witchery? Would I lose my natty card if I used them?

>>39559424
Assuming this isn't bait...
They're vitamins and stuff that could potentially help raise test, normally in the case of a deficiency. Either that, or they're snake oil.
Don't bother with them.

>>39559263
>not starting your blast soon to take advantage of those joocey xmas food gains

why roid?

>>39559508
december is an awful time to start roiding tbH

lots of drinking so no orals, gyms have erratic schedules, shit food you can't really account macros for, just how much you're going to eat (too much)

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>fat and flat post surgery
>new guy at work is svelte, got poppin delts

Damn ive lost my spot
I need to cut and start tren
Only like 5 months til my next bulk

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>>39556455

If you're cutting that hard then your main objective is to preserve muscle.

Lots of guys will say load up on Tren, but I personally think that 90% of Trens improvement happen practically overnight and that due to its health effects should be saved for finishing touches.

In other words, using just basics like Test to preserve muscle while you practically starve the fat off of yourself, and then once you are fairly lean, you can see your abs, then adding in something like Tren Ace, and possibly reducing your Test to under 200mg weekly.

Resulting in a really nice hard and full look, while not having to deal with the Tren sides throughout the entire diet.

While Tren does kill the appetite for some guys, you probably again want to save that for when the diet starts getting tougher, and that's when you are already decently lean.

It doesn't take much to preserve muscle going from say 18 to 12, but going from 12 to under 10.

If you're cutting really hard, then you just want the very basic minimum of work to maintain it. That doesn't take much work. Moderate weight, moderate rep ranges. The hormones do 90% of the preservation anyway. You just need to give them some stimulus. That is where a lot of guys mess up on a hard cut. They fucking train way too hard.

Things like LISS cardio are your friend.

Don't cut carbs out 100% if you don't want to feel like death. Just reduce total calories. You don't need to get silly with high protein too. What you want is spare calories to keep your sanity.

Unless you're competing in a serious sport, where you can't afford to lose 1-2% of your muscle, then don't focus so much on protein, as you do hunger management.

If fulling yourself up with higher volume stuff like beans and potatoes keeps you more satiated than the chicken breast, then you know what to do. Same in reverse.

Avoiding being so hungry you can't stick to it is the real goal.

>>39558629

Yeah, certainly. I was just using those numbers for an example of why a guy who is a LOT taller might need somewhat higher doses to get a similar effect.

>>39559749

>having so little discipline you can't handle hunger
>yeah bruh bruh don't worry about getting enough protein and maintaining your LBM you'll be hungry :D :D :D

Why do you offer advice

>>39556442
I sincerely hope you are not relying on DIM as an AI alternative while using steroids

>>39558613

Not necessarily 1.5x, but probably more like 1.2x. Could be as much as 1.5 however. Also, it depends on your overall weight. If you're really skinny right now you might not have more blood volume than a shorter guy and not need any extra.

If you normally need to take higher doses of medication due to your size, then yes, it applies to roids too.

>>39558343
Glad my proportions are sick

>>39559424
>>39559457
Bros honestly even trying to raise natty test is kind of a waste of time. Since testosterone has a negative feedback loop on itself via GnRH as well as inhibin also reducing GnRH. The best way to increase the effects of natty test are to increase androgen receptor density...which means nofap

>>39559805

You got to keep control of your appetite. Period.

Yes you want to preserve muscle, but if you're wasting all of your calories on protein, then this increase the odds of having a "ahh fuck it" moment.

Unless you enjoy meat sources of food more than any other. If that's the case, have at it, just stay within your calorie count.

When you start getting really fucking lean your mind will play tricks on you if you are depriving yourself of all satiating food to make room for something you think you need religiously.

You will still keep almost as much muscle weather you are focusing hard on protein or not paying it much attention.

The typical values used for natural athletes are only if you are needing to preserve every fucking ounce.

When you're on AAS you are so much more efficient at using the protein you take in, that I will say a guy eating only 80 grams a day, on just 150mg of Test a week, within the TRT range, will have MORE muscle left over after a diet, than a true natty eating 200 grams of protein a day.

>>39559880

I'm the guy that wrote the autistic blogposts about nofap earlier this week.

Still seeing all the benefits. haven't been this already around happy confident and alpha since I was a kid.

Just taking another opportunity to shill it.

>>39559943
>
Don't have to convince me brah I'm a huge believer. Day 7 here, longest streak ~100

>>39559961

Yeah. Just leaving the post up so people aren't like 'oh it's that one anon again'

There's a lot of arguement about it. I think it's plain foolish to assume 'oh everyone that disagrees with us is a pron industry shill (fucking lol)'

So that means that people have tried no fap and not seen the results that we have seen- or prehaps they never even tried it?

For those people, OK, but it doesn't mean that it hasn't DRASTICALLY improved the lives of others.

For people on the edge- Why not try it? Worst case scenario you are one of the people it does not benefit.

>anavar is $50 for 10x100mg tabs
>4-5 dollars a gram uncapped
wtf is wrong with this market

>>39560001
is there really nothing special to do to cap it? if so it's insane and I'm gonna have to find a source

>>39557031
when i started to get mild gyno from dbol,

like sore nipples and tiny bump it took like 20mg 1 week and it was cleared.

>>39556003
where do you get bulk supplies of needles and syringes for low price?

Amibro that moved to Germany here

Is it easier to get access to anything in or around Germany? I heard something about riods being legal in Poland, but I thought the bro who told me that was full of shit

>>39560001
same with test too though
iirc you can get 100g of test for like 80 bucks from china

yet a vial with 2.5g of test sells for 30

>>39560296
don't even need to go to china, the most popular raw seller everyone knows sells test at 66cent/g

but I mean, there's things to be done for the test. brewing isn't complicated, but it's a process you have to learn and go through

anyone older than the age of 10 could do the basic math required to cap orals with the appropriate amount of filler

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Is var good for anything if you're a male?

I know it's stupid as a standalone cycle. What about a jumpstart? Finisher? Or just better to be avoided altogether?

>>39560313
its pretty good for strength. gotta take high doses tho.

>>39560305
are there any resources you know about brewing? or is it forbidden to post like sources?

>>39559749
why does this man look fat to me?

>>39556438
hey retard high synth test doses makes you a beast so of course you want to fuck and fight

>>39560305
>don't even need to go to china, the most popular raw seller everyone knows sells test at 66cent/g

Do you mean a domestic raw source? Haven't heard of this - will look into it if that's what you mean.

Point taken about there being a higher barrier to entry for brewing vs. capping.

>>39560416

weird inserts, he looks fat at 6%

Also we have body dysmorphia hardcore

What ever happened to Groot?

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How hard is it to measure out 1/2 cc in a 3 cc syringe?

I don't foresee pinning more than 1 cc of oil at a time at least for the first few months (i.e., never pinning more than 250mg test E at a time, probably wanting to cruise at 200mg/week to start with actually) and was wondering whether to get 1cc or 3cc syringes.

The only issue I'm foreseeing with 1cc is that the whole thing is much "longer" when fully extended (when the plunger is pulled out to 1 cc), meaning that slight movements in the angle at the top can result in larger movements of the pin within the muscle, potentially causing pain. Whereas 3cc will be a lot more stout and manageable when pulled out to 0.5 or 1 cc.

Also, pls advise as to what gauge draw needle to get? I remember reading that below a certain gauge you can damage the seal on a vial.

Planning to get 25g or 27g for pinning needle (leaning toward 27).

>>39560352
r/steroids/wiki has homebrewing info

>>39560476
overdosed on testosterone and died

>>39560579
it's not hard

18-23g for drawing

>>39560579
25g is fine, im a pussy its fine.

anything higher in gauge is gonna take longer to inject.

>>39560603
So I won't fuck up a vial seal with 18g? Thanks.

Also, there's no real downside to pre-filling a bunch of syringes as long as I cap the syringes off, right?

>>39560603
>r/steroids/wiki
thanks a lot, I checked there, but didn't go to the bottom of the page since there was nothing in the table of content my bad

HEY

I've been running tren a 75-100 ed for 3 weeks. Wanna switch to tren e...how do? googlefu has mixed reviews. I'm assuming overlap them for a week or two?

>>39560654
The more pins and the higher the gauge icrease the chance of harming the rubber

>>39560352
For sources look at china or any sst meme raw source

But for brewing its raw + oil + bb +ba
Very easy
Can be time consuming based on how you do it
Caulk gun needle filter set up vs vacuum filter vs autoclave

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OK last question, sorry if this is super obvious.

Reddit wiki says:
>Clean vial: Swipe top of the vial(s) with an alcohol swab and let dry.
>Draw air: Fill the syringe with as much air as you plan to withdraw in liquid.
>Insert air: Inject air into the vial to create positive pressure inside the vial, to assist the draw

Isn't exposure to air from the outside the vial whole issue we're trying to avoid by having a sterile vial? Seems like if there are bacteria/contaminants in the air then our vial is fucked after these steps.

Or is it a negligible thing? I mean I understand why it's needed (pressure reasons) and I guess there is air inside the vial, but I assumed that the air inside the vial is more "contained" if your source is good and brews under a hood using sterile vials.

>>39560628
>25g is fine, im a pussy its fine.
Thanks, was looking for anecdotes like this t b h.

>>39560688
>more pins and the higher the gauge icrease the chance of harming the rubber
makes sense

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>>39560688
jerry! Where all the white womens at?!?

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>>39560725
Who cares about basic bitches
Where the waifus at?
Trump was elected and anime STILL isnt real

>>39560724
Its negligible but what I do is actually fully depress the plunger in the vial to create a vacuum draw. Fastest way on small needles like slin pins without backloading

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>>39560768
>Trump was elected and anime STILL isnt real
Ohhh yaaa...
about that...
I know Trump promised to make anime real but it turns out that's impossible.. So he is gonna focus on decucking and remasculinizing western men instead.
Trust me it's better this way!

i want glutes for the slutes.

what have you guys found effective at building your butts?

>>39560807
Any Cardarine?

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>>39560924
Still back ordered. =/
Very hesitant to try a new supplier as the current one has been very good to me. It's risky for me to order 200g of some shit that may be fake or underdosed ya know?
I probably won't have any before the end of the year =(
I will send an email out as soon as I have some.
Also everything is available capped now!

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Do you guys know if customs finds a controlled substance in your Indian pharma order if they just confiscate that one item or do they seize the entire package? It's armodafinil if it matters but it's technically scheduled in the US.

>>39560967
How well does it work? I've been thinking about stacking it with DNP and EC for my cut.

>>39560724


Ex Medical Asst here, the amount of air is negligible. I pinned a metric fuckton of people for immunizations and never saw anyone come back with an infected injection site. Also, let the swabbed area of skin air dry, you don't want to blow and get spit/particulates on the injection site.

>>39561005
Cause your multi dose vials of flu vaccine probably last like less then a week per puncture...
Infections are usually caused by larger inoculants of bacteria that have had a long time to grow in vials. Negligible amounts of bacteria are introduced to your blood every time you pin. This is why we use preservatives to slow growth and also why rules exist like beyond use dating.

>>39560768
>fully depress the plunger in the vial to create a vacuum draw

OK sorry but how is this different than the reddit wiki instructions?

Basically if you want to draw 1cc of oil, you:

>draw 1cc of air into syringe
>inject 1cc of air into vial (now the plunger is "fully depressed")
>draw 1cc of oil

Right?

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>>39560998
It's amazing. Doesn't help directly with fat loss that I have seen but it puts your endurance through the roof. Basically you can just super set everything and still not be out of breath.

>>39560807
>it turns out that's impossible
Time for suicide

>>39560992
For most drugs they need to prove its not prescription for most things and they typically dont waste time on that
Some drugs are different, especially if uts a generic covered by copyright still.

I dunno for that one

>>39561065
Haha true
Smaller pressure differential

is 20yo too young to start taking steroids? I really wanna start my first cycle

>>39560725
>Where all the white womens at?
that's what I'm saying though.

>>39561041

True, we did go through vials very quickly. We kept our shit refrigerated too, not sure if the fraud-tier stuff gets treated like that (I'll jump on the fraud-wagon in twoish years if I haven't hit my goals).

>>39561155
yolo

How tall are you? Weight? Whats your body fat %? Time spent lifting?

>>39561125
Do you take it?

There's a thread on /r/steroids about it rn

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>>39561172
5'10 like 180pounds 20%bf. been lifting consistantly for about a 8months.

>>39561194
lmao pls drop 25 pounds

>>39561194
Cutting before a cycle is never a bad idea. Will make keeping your estro under control easier, which is important if you have any vertical growing left to do.

There are some young /fraud/s here, they seem to be doing fine. Make sure you're really studied up on everything before hopping on.

Have you tested your natty T levels? Doesn't look like you're low T. If you have normal T levels, you should be able to cut while maintaining a good amount of muscle.

Good luck

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>>39561138
>Time for suicide
jerry no! We are gonna find you a real waifu! With a real vagina that you don't have to squirt full of lube and then wash out shamefully in your sink. Real vaginas are self cleaning!
>>39561159
Ikr
>>39561184
>Do you take it?
Not currently but I have in the past. Great compound. Brick has taken some as well if he ever shows back up

>>39561296
No theyre not lmao
I know that much about them atleast

>>39561194
Come back in a year

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>>39561309
>No theyre not lmao
>I know that much about them atleast
This is why you date good girls and not vapid druggie whores with mlp hair, piercings, and tattoos.
Good girl vagina smells like roses and innocence.
Bad girl vag stinks like old camels, Jaeger meister, and bad life choices.
You should go to church.

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>>39561455
As can be clearly seen in this image this female is trying to seduce beta nu males with her saggy milk bags and "hey look how easy I am in bed because I clearly don't give a fuck about my appearance" haircut.
Steer clear kids!
Normal girls smile and have long hair!

>>39561402
Ya but how can you not feel intense shame after having pre-marital sex with good girls

>>39561296
>Not currently but I have in the past.
I got some from you but then fucking lost it. It's somewhere in my room but I can't find it for the life of me

Oh well, I hate OraPlus anyways so I'll wait until I can get it in cap form

>>39561479
I actually expected that to be a dude with a beard before I expanded the image.

>>39561500
a victim of gyno with no beard, disappointing

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>>39561455
Just to be clear you can fuck her FL. You need to get anything.
Just wear a Jimmy hat!
>>39561489
>Ya but how can you not feel intense shame after having pre-marital sex with good girls
Why would I feel shame? It's a long term relationship and we are exclusive. What is there to feel bad about?
>I got some from you but then fucking lost it.
Sadtrombone.wav
>>39561500
>I actually expected that to be a dude with a beard before I expanded the image.
Why would you randomly post a dude with a beard and no text lol

>>39561535
>Why would I feel shame? It's a long term relationship and we are exclusive. What is there to feel bad about?
Like, if it doesn't work out, she's ruined for the next guy

Next guy will always be wondering

"she tells me she doesn't do [sex act] but she probably did it with her ex"

"she has kissed another man's penor with great passion before, how can i breed her and have her kiss my kids with the same mouth"

etc.

But I guess there are advantages. If she has a character flaw that takes a while to be revealed you dodge a bullet by not saying vows.

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>>39561535
>her
Who?

>>39561479

>capitlist things this is a woman so attractive he saved a photo of her to his pc

Man...

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Ladies and gentlemen!
Fresh from the discord...
Rare never before seen pics of jerry!
>>39561555
>Next guy will always be wondering
>"she tells me she doesn't do [sex act] but she probably did it with her ex"
>"she has kissed another man's penor with great passion before, how can i breed her and have her kiss my kids with the same mouth"
Lmao who fucking cares dude. Of course she has sucked some dick and gotten fucked. It's how high her standards are that matter. Good girls generally have 5 or less partners and are very hard to get in bed.
Remember only the hard things in life are worth it.
>>39561576
I just don't get the short hair. It's just ugly =/

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>>39561588
Your soul is ugly >.>

>>39561588
Damnit I need to bulk
Fuckingfat surgery im so mad

Never get surgery kids
Youll never lift again

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>>39561588
>dat pic
So hot, fug

>Lmao who fucking cares dude. Of course she has sucked some dick and gotten fucked.

Yeah, I get that this is a pragmatic outlook on things

But do you not see the value in (or at least the reason people long for) mutual loss of virginity after marriage?

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>>39561586
>capitlist things this is a woman so attractive he saved a photo of her to his pc
>Man...
She's in decent shape, appears intelligent, young, strong Aryan genetics. Seems like prime breeding material.
>>39561598
>Your soul is ugly >.>
=(
>>39561608
KEEP EATING FATTY!
>>39561617
>But do you not see the value in (or at least the reason people long for) mutual loss of virginity after marriage?
Oh it would be great in practice but I haven't met a virgin girl in a long long time soooo...
I guess I could try the whole Christian girl thing but I'm pretty strongly against organized religion so ya.

>>39561588
>Rare never before seen pics of jerry!
Cool, post your fatass.

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burgerland what happened? we just heard over here

http://www.latlmes.com/world/donald-trump-assassinated-america-in-chaos-1

>>39561664
Try harder.

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>>39561664

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>tfw went on psmf with 800tren 120clen
>1200ish cals a day
>dropped 2.5kg in 10 days
>starting to get sloppy cause of good gains, now taking 1600-1700+ cals
>im now losing only .5kg per 2 days

FUCKK!!!!

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Guys do penis enlargement pills work?

>>39561855
no but surgery does
size increase regiments have marginal gains

>>39561641
No
Although I may be incidentally bulking
Im not paying attention anymore

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Sigh... off cycle and hunger is starting to fade completely, started ghosting every tinder girl just because I want to sleep all day. Cruise life is the only life.

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>>39562023
>he fell for the cruise meme

Shame, could be doing 250 test 1g tren 1g mast year around.

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>>39561644
>Cool, post your fatass.
Actually that's a pic of me...
I'm not that fat see!
>>39562018
Chinaman already put peptides in the mail. I am excite! 1000 igf1 score here I come!
>>39562023
What is this redneck pyromancy?

>>39562050
>not jammin 5g of mast/tren/test/deca 24/7/365
CMON NOW

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>>39562023
Give me all of the tinder girls numbers

>>39562091
>china peps

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Hey everyone, hope your having a good night!

Got a dermatologist appointment coming up to see if I have male pattern baldness (NW2 hairline). If I go on finasteride, gonna say fuck it and start roiding. 500mg test/week good for first cycle?

>>39562164
You're *

FUCKING AUTOCORRECT REEEEEE

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Any of you guys play BF1? I was thinking of getting it but dunno if it's worth it.

>>39562101
>deca
Ew.

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Why do I have worse acne on cruises than bulks lately

My levels are probably around natty high atm

I bet it has to do with alcohol and sleep

Either that or im now THAT FAT

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>>39562109
They don't like hairy sad weebs. They like smooth broody weebs that make them laugh.

>>39562050
u mean cycle meme m8? But yes, until I get a script im SOL cuz I'm not risking a record just to travel with vials.

>>39562091
Some pyrotech guy havin fun murdering a bunch of filthy leafs.

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>>39562190
>not loving deca

>>39562190
I've got it, never been that into battlefield before but it's pretty fun.

>>39556269
r/steroids

>>39562164
500mg test e is fine for a first cycle , but i would add something else like 300mg eq or deca , even if you do it for 8 weeks u gona get decent gains

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>>39562190
Play a real game you fuck

>>39562246
Whats the difference besidws the hair

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bluey emma watson wot

>>39562248
>>39562285
Reminder that this retard is also this retard for reference: https://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/39351313/#39354155

lol

choice quote:
>so this vial has 10ml which equals 250ml total right? now thats not enough for a cycle (not really) right?

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>>39562315
>what is trolling
>magnets how do they work

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>>39562315
actually had me for minute there cobber thats not even one of my posts kunt

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>>39562278
jerry plz, i seent u post 1 tindy convo and u coulda had her and yet didn't. You must fix the autism within before you can have the azusas of the world

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>>39562315
>all trips are the same person only by being one with anon and owning the anon(tm) katana can one truly be an individual

anon... How old did you say you were again...

The baby face will be great in my 30s/40s

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>>39562315

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>>39562351
I wish i had low impa lct consensual cuddling

And its not autism
Its being intimidated by women
Hence the attraction to ts and loli

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who the fuck are these new gaggle of retards

>>39561005
>>39561041

if you've got a high enough airborne bacterial count to actually actively colonize inside a bacteriostatic ≥ 0.9% benzyl alcohol solution you're probably living in a literal fucking sewer

the reason antiseptic swab technique is taught as an expanding spiral (or should be at least) is because you'll still be displacing any etoh-resistant bacteria while the susceptible shit gets killed dead, btw

>Infections are usually caused by larger inoculants of bacteria that have had a long time to grow in vials.
>This is why we use preservatives to slow growth and also why rules exist like beyond use dating.

while from a medical standards point of view derived from pure statistics I completely understand the use-by dating for multi-dose vials, from a completely practical approach you're realistically never going to see colonization in a vial of gear or in depot unless you or the brewer profoundly fuck up aseptic technique

>>39561166

imms shit gets fridged because it's some kind of protein product that will degrade at room temperature, whether it's live or attenuated or recombinant or w/e

hormones are a whole lot more stable generally plus less oxidative stress when it's brewed in solution, but fridging it would tank the solubility and probably precipitate crystal formation aka crashing

>>39561296
>>39561402
>Not currently but I have in the past. Great compound. Brick has taken some as well if he ever shows back up

so 20mg cardarine plus 10mg singulair do a lot to even out the impact of tren on cardiovascular capacity at 350mg/wk, but they just kinda take the edge off at 700

>Bad girl vag stinks like old camels, Jaeger meister, and bad life choices.

you say that like it's a bad thing

aaaaand now I'm nostalgic

>>39561489
>Oh well, I hate OraPlus anyways so I'll wait until I can get it in cap form

bruh, 50/50 oraplus and orasweet

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>>39562430
don't be intimidated, just be yourself :^)

>Hence the attraction to ts and loli
Dominant sassy loli's are hotter than fire regardless of your luck with the ladies doe. ESTP is the closest i'll get to that tho

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>>39562506
That os my self!
I need to b ex lless ugly

Dominant lolis Re so best
Too bad theyre never exist irl

>>39562315
>all australians are the same person
I'm Aussie mate, and you're a dickhead.

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>>39562553
Don't remind me, I dunno how every other guy gets off to bein dominant during sex 100% of the time. Shit is boring as fuck and i've been seein a tiny girl I can throw around like a doll that likes me to choke her til she blacks out.

I just want a girl that's aggressive and haughty

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>>39562109
They all come from China lol. I'm gonna get them all tested. TB500, CJC1295, and mod grf.
>>39562452
Glad to hear about the tren and GW interaction. When I ran it I ran it during a cruise.
We have a discord channel full of nattys if you get bored lmao.

>>39562604
I just want one

I had a dream last week about holding hands
Been very depressed since

>>39562628
>We have a discord
>we
All the actual people left
Now its le ebin natty trolls xd

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>>39562604
>I dunno how every other guy gets off to bein dominant during sex 100% of the time.

idk, fun as shit though

really just sounds like you need to find a chick that actually has some confidence and assertiveness

>>39562628

that sounds fucking awful even if I just spend the entire time bullying people

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>>39562668
I don't even know who made the stupid thing. Bimbo and I shot the shit for a bit on the first day but mostly it's trash. None of the anons want to voice chat =/
>>39562710
Ya its pretty awful. Don't even know why I brought it up lol.

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>>39562710
It's fun a couple of times, but when literally every single girl I get with is the "just use me" "you can do whatever you want with me" mindset it's just boring.

If I do whatever I want I'm going to start hurting them out of sexual repression and resentment at default gender roles. Submissive girls do NOTHING for me and I genuinely wonder how it can for others.

>>39562668
Waking up after dream where i'm in love is the most sad and depressing thing i've ever experienced. At least when loved ones die you know your relationship with them was real..

>>39562804
>"you can do whatever you want with me"
But have you had a girl actually be OK with almost anything?
I like really submissive girls. I've taken staplers and smacked them staple first in their asses before. Choking, slapping, abusing, etc is hot as fuck.

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>>39562833
>I've taken staplers and smacked them staple first in their asses before.
Bimbo in training over here lmao.

>>39562804
I woke up holding the corner of my daki

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>>39562833
It does nothing for me, it's like they aren't even an active participant at that point. I might as well be choking a real doll.

Also I don't own a stapler ya nerd.

>>39562452
I agree enough preservatives will let this shit last a while - well beyond(prob 6 months-year) the 28 day beyond use dating used in medical practice. Someone has to really fuck up to get infection lol

>>39560685
bump pls help

>>39556003
got test levels from doctor. 270. I'm 34.

How much would this have gobbled my gainz? Will TRT help?

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>>39562933
Just switch breh. You will have some brief downtime but it's not a big deal. Life and gains are a marathon not a sprint.
>>39562938
TRT will put you somewhere between 800-1500 depending on the Dr and the dose.

>>39562938
Honestly, do you even want an actual medically sound answer or just validation for justifying """cheating"""? 270 is completely within normal range and is nowhere near low enough to negatively impact your daily life. This is probably what your doctor told you as well if you asked him. Although I'm sure he just said it because he's a hook nosed kike who's trying to surpress alpha males in order to eradicate the white race :^) Just look at all the success stories ITT, who wouldn't want to be a schizoid anime loving fuck or a roid raging wage slave cuckold

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>>39562938
What prompted the blood test? Are you having low T symptoms?

>>39562960
what doctor brings u to 800-1500? Most doctors i've seen have been horror stories of shit like 75mg/week

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>>39563009
>Most doctors i've seen have been horror stories of shit like 75mg/week
Jesus that's awful. I've never heard of less than 100/week with one exception of an old roommate that got a 200mg/month shot once a month lmao.
But ya 100mg should put you at 700-800 and 200 will put you at close to the top of the reference range. My doc gave me 100mg and I have a buddy who was on 200 for a while but the doc dropped him to 100 after all his tests were coming up off the charts. He was on 500mg + tren at the time lol.

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>>39563009

Anyone else get massive headaches from DNP? This is my second run @ 500. First time was ez pz no sides besides sweat, labored breathing while doing activity, and hooge appetite. This time I'm on day 3 and my head has been killing me. Been drinking tons of water, eating taters for potassium and taking multi vitamin.

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Eh 248

>>39563232
happened to me after 2 weeks, that's when I decided to call it quits

dunno where/what it was from though sadly. I was drinking enough water + vitamin e/c every day + my diet was good + was also drinking gatorade for electrolytes

>>39563232
more water and electrolytes watch dem sodium levels and make sure you are squatting erry hour m8

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>>39562604
>on tren horny every 10 minutes
>promise to be a sub for gf
>she ties me up and teases me, slaps my balls, masturbates right in front of me
>sits on my face and keeps smothering me while groping my balls
>starts teasing me again, fingering herself letting me have a taste of her juices
>eventually unties me and tells me to fuck her doggy style and to cum on her face
came buckets

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>>39563362
>on test and tren
>still being a beta bottom
wew ishiggididdygiggyidiggydoooooo

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>>39563419
Switching is cool

>>39563423
>hanging your manhood up is cool
alright coconut cat

>>39563453
Not so sure that's what's happening when I choke her unconscious afterwards

>>39563009
Yeah, had low test symptoms and after 2 years of lifting my gainz were terrible. Had noob gains to 0.25/1/1.5/2 and never got better. Pretty reasonable diet (not perfect) and a bit to much beer.

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>>39563453
>believing, no matter how sincere she sounds, that she has any respect left for you after you let her dominate you and isn't just looking to trade up to the nearest chad
>not suffering crippling anxiety and paranoia over this fact

>>39563481
Why would that cause me anxiety? You can't upgrade from me.

>>39563488
>not suffering a mish mash of body dysmorphia, social anxiety, jealous rage, total paranoia, and imposters syndrome

who the fuck are you m8, superman?

>>39563495
Maybe. Idk why the fuck would that bother me? Where is is she going to get this >>39563250 this ruin her physically?

I love it when she's dominate.

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>>39563517
bring her down under m8 we're flocking like gallahs everywhere its fucking summer cobber

>>39563527
Lol at 6'5 you aren't

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>>39563538
im 6'2 and im below average brah get ya game face on and bring her down here

>>39563544
Ez

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THREAD REMINDER THAT DONALD J. TRUMP IS OUR PRESIDENT ELECT

M A G A
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxXfHxceMg4

>>39563034
>My doc gave me 100mg
You're on medical TRT? Did you choose to go the legit route because you didn't want the legal risks associated with pinning UGL gear?

Also, how often were you/yourfriend getting tested? Like, would it have been possible for him to just go down to cruise doses 2 weeks before and "beat" the tests?

is it a good idea to add mk 677 on a basic test cycle (500 mg/week)?

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>>39563838
>You're on medical TRT?
I was.
>Did you choose to go the legit route because you didn't want the legal risks associated with pinning UGL gear?
Yes. Dr was a moron and it didn't last long. I never "beat the blood tests" my shit was usually off the charts and if your doctor isnt cool you are just like ya bro them vitamins.
I plan to find another Dr who can give me a script. Always remember to CYA.
>>39563985
>is it a good idea to add mk 677 on a basic test cycle (500 mg/week)?
YES. Ibutamoren shines along side other shit. Growth hormone is the icing on the steroid cake.

>>39564258
why don't you have a gf?

Alright /fraud/, low-test faggot here who has posted a couple of times

My doctor wants me to do another blood test, checking total test and SHBG

Anything else I should ask the nurse for at the same time?

Free test
Prolactin


Also, how do I lower my levels as much as possible for the next test? I'm not interested in being stuck in the lower bracket of "normal".

So here's what I got so far that I should do in the time before the test(weeks/days)

Eating low amounts of fatty food, replacing it with unhealthy alternatives
Less sleep
Try to up cortisol levels by drinking alcohol and loads of coffee

Help a brother out get legal TRT, please.

>>39561184
I took it for a long time and this is the dream compound. Energy and fatloss like never.

Recommended first cycle? 20yrs 3 year liftan
Test- good starting?
Test+tren - maybe?
Test+tren+win - a bit much for first cycle?
Tren+win - people complain about no test

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why not be a cute girl instead of taking roids?

>>39564357
>tren first cycle
just waltz around naked with boxing gloves on m8

>>39561617
>number of sexual partners per year
>maximum is 1.8

..wait what
there are people who are actually like this?

>>39564450
that's the highest average...]
obviously there's not gonna be an entire age-group who's AVERAGE is skanky sluttyness

>>39564495
if it were like 2-3 i'd have a much easier time believing it. also it doesnt specify gender.

i feel like most girls at least meet a couple guys a year. plenty of girls dont meet any at all, and plenty of girls meet probably like 6 or so.

i think im attractive but not top% and i still sleep with a wide variety of girls averaging a comfortable 8-9 per year.

>>39564510
>i feel like most girls at least meet a couple guys a year. plenty of girls dont meet any at all, and plenty of girls meet probably like 6 or so.
so that could easily even out to 1.8..

>>39564510
> 8-9 per year.
Hate you!
Had this year sex twice... TWICE!
And it wasnt even good!

>>39562990

>270 is completely within normal range

Neck yourself.

>>39556332

I got the exact same after I stopped taking DNP and Benadryl. It will go away after a time when you stop taking DNP

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>>39563419
im usually a bit abusive dom when it comes to sex but i don't mind switching

she also just loves how she can tease me, get all that attention and make me go to a point where im about to rape her

>>39564357
500-750mg test 12-16wks + low dose 20-35mg dbol 6-8wks
with proper AI dosing you'll feel amazing on this cycle, add MK677 maybe on top for some appetite, recovery and imo GH releasing stuff helps me keep injuries away

add tudca if you can afford or stop dbol when and if your appetite goes down or you start to feel nauseous

trust me, what you want from your first 3-5 cycles is nothing but to feel great and have crazy motivation, i have had this yolo mentality and made myself feel so shit on my blasts that i made barely any gains cause no appetite/motivation/unable to lift properly cause feeling shit (nausea/muscle cramps/high blood pressure)

when you get to the point you feel like you can handle shit feels and still eat/lift/gain you could start looking into tren and other compounds or other orals other than dbol

>>39564433
Educate me on why I should not do tren as a first cycle
>>39564685
My goal is really just to get cut while not losing muscle and possibly gaining some muscle, and I heard win + tren is a good combo but maybe not for first cycle? Done a 50 day "cycle" on winny 50mg/day and I felt great doing that (placebo?)

>>39556003
lads, I'm 6'2" 210lbs 12% BF with decent facial aesthetics, but I'm still a virgin because I'm terrified of conversation. I get checked out by every other girl and get smiles all the time, but then I go home alone and watch anime. I'm afraid to attempt to improve my conversational skills because then they'd realize I'm really a beta trapped in a chad's body.

This is what happens when you were 300lbs until freshman year of college and raised by a single mother.

how to roid but keep big boobs and female fat distribution??

will my pear shaped turn into a man shape

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>>39564280
are you the autist one?

sleep is like 70% of test. Sleep like 1hr or not at all if you can.

Also dont lift. Lifting increases test

>>39564357
consider killing yourself

>>39560275
access to what? anyways im in germany and i buy my shit just fine.

roids are legal in poland, yes

>>39560000
>>39559961
>>39559943
kek noobs

8 months of nofap here. I quit porn ages ago.

>>39559424
They can eventually raise test.
Like Vitamin D is essential for Test levels.

If you are low Vitamin D and you take these supplements, they may raise test.

Just like Zink.

Its legit, but in most cases it wont do anything. Or it will do something, as in raising your test by 50ng/dl which is nothing.

The best test supplement you can take is sleeping for 8 hours a day, without an exception, for the rest of your life.

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>>39565009
var, or winny afaik

>>39565005
post pic.

im the same. I am submissive and disgustingly nice to people, but look like a bully and have a resting jerk face.

People ask me why im always pissed off lmao

Kinda vegeta mode

>>39565009
>how to roid but keep big boobs and female fat distribution??
dont cut too lean and only use low amounts of very low androgenic steroids such as anavar and primobolan
>will my pear shaped turn into a man shape
steroids wont change your bone structure

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>>39565050
>winny

>>39565050
Yeah, some people ask me why I'm pissed off but most people just start acting anxious and submissive towards me.

I compensate by trying to be overly friendly, but it takes a lot of effort to not come off as intimidating.

>>39565077
I think they changed mine.

>>39564280
>>39565043

No, not the autist one.

Will try sleeping a bit less and waking up well ahead of the test.

Doctor specified the test should be taken at between 8-10 in the morning because test levels decline throughout the day.

So I'm just gonna wake up at 0300 or some shit

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>>39565005
Iktfb
Get a daki

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>>39565086
thats why i said afaik.

sorry

>>39565096
Uhh bruh im the same.
I meet new people, they think im a douchebag.
People are scared to talk to me sometimes or look me in the eyes when i just meet them.

It all settles down once they get to know me and realize how nice i am, but until then they are intimidated lmao.

Are you being overly friendly to people to compensate, or are you ACTUALLY overly friendly?

Skellys sperg out in the gym when i ask how many sets they have left

>uhhh-yeah uhmm ARGGHHH huu like uhm 2 sets or so uhm i hope

I think its nice tho. Soft core, hard shell. I like that.

Better than soft core soft shell, or hard shell and hard core. (hard core as in being an asshole)

See it like this, if you were to actually approach people and be active, it would be ez game.

>>39565111
I wouldnt sleep at all dude. Crashing your test levels is not easy. If you sleep a few hours it might already not be enough

then how come girls that roid always have no hips or boobs
and they all have square asses

>>39565137

Moose, I placed an order in that Netherlands site.

>they told me via email shipping to italy is 15€
>it says 20€ in the order

>homepage claims a 10% discount for using bitcoins
>they didn't apply any discount

wtf I sent them an email to complain

>>39565108
i seriously doubt that, but even if its true it would require such a dose and chronicity that she would have bigger concerns than losing her pear shape lel
>>39565149
they are lean

>>39565158
Shoulders weren't this briad before. .

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Today's pretty alright, wake up, morning dabs and stand-up special before I get ready to go split wood for 8 hours.

>getting paid 17.50 an hour to split wood
I'd do it for free, tbH.