>girls think it's creepy if you ask them out for coffee

No they don't, unless you are creepy to begin with.

sucks youre ugly

It's creepy if you aren't handsome and charming

>>39013906
>>39013910
Can we take a moment to explain what creepiness is?

>>39013912
to guys its if youre creepy

to girls its if you talk to them or exist around them but aren't handsome and awesome

>>39013901
Only if you're ugly.

>>39013912

word that has lost its original meaning

basically its just a combination of

1. ugly/unattractive
2. unaware of it
3. acting outside of their prescribed behaviour as per their attractiveness.

basically if you're ugly shut the fuck up and fuck off.

>>39013912

Whatever an average to unattractive man does that makes a woman feel uncomfortable.

>>39013925
But people have told me I'm good looking irl, have gotten 7/10 usually when I posted a pic on /soc/ for brutal hoensty. My daily wardrobe costs like 600 dollars, I dont have acne. Why would I give off a creepy vibe? I just confidently ask for their number, then after I message them after waiting a day or two they say theyre busy

>>39013945
>my wardrobe costs 600 dollars

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahah

>>39013945
Elliot wasn't that bad looking either, yet he was the epitome of being creepy. So maybe it is not about how you look, but how you behave and act.

>>39013976

wtf

elliot was ugly as fuck shut up retard you obviously know nothing.

>>39013945

7/10 bullshit post face.

7/10 is encroaching on chad territory by actual real life standards

odds are you're a 4/10 at max

elliot was about a 3/10 irl so if you're thinkin he's ok lookin then you're probably worse.

just keep trying. it's important to realize that a lot of this shit is simply out of your control. unless you're doing something obviously wrong you just have to talk to more girls and eventually you'll find one who responds positively.

>>39013965
Shouldn't being a richfag help you ward off creepiness? The eccentricity of wealth etc

>>39013976
I like to think I'm pretty self-aware, and I literally can't put my finger on how I'm behaving in a creepy way. I act confident and dispaasionate, disinterested. Isn't that the opposite of creepy?

>>39013983
>you know nothing
>applies the x/10 system to structure his life
kys my man

>>39013912

basically being unattractive + being forthcoming

seriously, if you're attractive enough, what do women stand to lose by accepting your offer?

>>39014001

listen faggot if u think elliot is "not bad looking" then you're confirmed "uggo as fuck".

>>39013998
>Isn't that the opposite of creepy?
I can't give you an answer to this. I only posted my thought about this topic yet I have no real hands-on experience.

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>>39014005

OP here, I really do have a 7/10 face, but Im also a manlet, 2-3 inches below avg in my country. Maybe thats it? I'mean not even going for girls that I think are out of my league.

>>39014015

u g g o

>>39013901
If you do it way too early then yeah it's creepy

>>39013998
>Shouldn't being a richfag help you ward off creepiness? The eccentricity of wealth etc

Did you already forget about Eliot?

>>39014058
How do I avoid this?

>be me
>first week of uni
>see this qt from my course
>one day just come over and ask her out for a coffee
>she says no, gives some bs excuse
>never seen her in uni again
>found out later she quit the course
>fml

I have a friend with a 5/10 face and is shorter than me(and I'm only 5'9") and he still gets more unsolicited nudes than I do.

He even jokes about himself being ugly because he really just doesn't care. Looks only matter to a very small extent. It's all about character.

>>39014072
don't be like "hi my name is x you wanna get coffee?"

Have a conversation, then if it goes well you ask her for her number or out on a date.

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>>39014079
>mfw Ive caused this to happen before

>>39014089
I dont ask her straight away to get coffee. I have a but of conversation with her, 5 to 10 minutes, then I ask her out

Being creepy has nothing to do with your attractiveness.

Its to do with the DIFFERENCE in attractiveness of you and the person calling you creepy. And also the inability to take a hint when you obviously aren't wanted around.

My gf has called guys at work creepy who I think are better than looking than me (facially, not bodywise, theyre all hipster dyels), because they are socially retarded and can't seem to understand when she shoots them down.

Would it be considered creepy to message a girl you haven't spoke to or seen in a number of years?
Some background info: she was always very friendly to me and we were even in one of those shitty middle school relationships that obviously don't count.

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>>39013901
/thread

>>39014100
Ive never been called creepy, I'm just assuming it to be the reason I dont have any luck here. I literally just talk to a girl in class for a bit, get her number for coffee later, wait a few days, then get some bs excuse when I finally ask her. I dont talk to them after that. Also I go for people below my level ofnattractiveness.

>tfw have literally never interacted with a girl pretty much my whole life
just kill me family

>>39014115
Not really

>>39014072
Ask her questions and give her compliments 1st day, do it again 2nd day but more just small talk. 3rd day you can ask to meet at some coffeeplace, if she is still resonding obviously. coffee is sorta boring tho

>>39014137
This implies that I have settings to talk to her on a day to day basis. These are girls in my classes who I only get to talk to if we happen to leave the room at the same time.

I thought the point of coffee was to have a 1 on 1 setting to get to know each other? It isn't even a formal date

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>>39014118
Mfw I can't hum the chadian hymn

>>39014153
I thought you meant if this was online

>>39014118
تشاد / thread

>>39014127
Why coffee

>>39014016
Then post face. If you're so confident that you're 7/10 then just fucking post it lel.

>Have eyes slant like an asian
Been called:
Creepy
Shifty looking
Or a perv because my eyes look shifty

>>39014206
No its because you smell of masturbation and doritos

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>>39013901

>>39014219
I don't eat doritos and i work so much i barely masturbate

>>39013925
this.

creepy, when used by females, just means youre behaving in a way that theyre not comfortable with based on their level of attraction toward you. you could literally stalk a girl and it not be creepy to them if they like you enough, or (if youre ugly or treating you like shit will in no way hurt their social standing) they could think youre creepy just by daring to look at or talk to them.

>>39014079
>>39014093
you guys dont actually believe that a girl went out of her way to quit a course just because some autist hit on her, do you? dont you think youre being a little too insecure?

>>39013912
>all those shit tier replies
Being creepy in the context of asking someone out is to make the other person feel uncomfortable by being too persistent in case they're not interested or by asking them out in an awkward manner

>>39014262
Okay, well I'm quite positive I've done neither of those things, so I guess I'm just unlucky and not creepy.

Ive only asked 2 girls out using this tactic so far

>>39014238
Not completely true. Being ugly or handsome doesn't really matter if you establish a semi-decent relationship with someone before asking them out. If you ask someone who barely knows you out, what parameters do you think he has to judge you by besides your looks?

God you people are seriously a bunch of crybabies.

>>39014282
>implying we've got the time to establish telationships

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>>39014118
Mfw I'm Niger, all I ever wanted to be was Chad

>>39014282
its completely true. most women dont even see unattractive or otherwise low-tier men as human. the women that do treat them as human beings definitely dont see them as men. the fact that you dont see this and that you feel the need for a pre-existing relationship before you go on a date lead me to believe that you are a woman.

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>>39014118
>>39014308
So close, yet so far

Fuck interaction with other human beings.

>>39014118
>>39014338
Mfw Chad flag looks European and Niger flag looks like pajeet land flag

>>39013901
Op, coffee is slang for sex. Don't be so blunt.

>>39014371
In what world? Coffee means you meet up for 45 mins to an hour so you can drink, talk about yourselves, then potentially plan another meal together

>>39013945
>My daily wardrobe costs like 600 dollars
>no gf

I spent 20$ in total on an outfit I wear every day. still got gf.

>>39014573
You wear the sa,e clothes daily?

OP still haven't post face. Confirmed for overconfident, delusional uggo.

>>39014595
Dont want to post my face on here

>>39014667
Because deep down you know you're not that handsome.

>>39014863
7/10 isn't even claiming much, I just have good skull structure owing to my northern euro heritage

>>39013901
>been trying different approaches
>last 2 attempts i simply ask "hey wanna hang out sometime"
>bitches told their friends i was a creep
i give up, i'm not /fit/ but i'm not ugly either
it's like you have to be ridiculously handsome like in those social experiments on youtube

>>39015461
didn't even work on a girl with some serious facial defect that was still cute, 20% of men get 80% of women because the 3/10's get dicked by Chad once then never looks back

>>39013912
Being ugly.

>>39013901
stop being ugly and be good looking instead. Girls will literally come ask you for dates and pay for everything herself.

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>>39015461
>tfw to smart too not get called a creep

>>39016837
Kek

>>39014186
Cheap, low stakes, casual setting, and you can stay as long or as short as necessary.

I've never been called creepy and I ask random strangers for their number if I think they're hot. I don't even beat around the bush, just go up to a girl I think is attractive, tell her I think shes cute and ask for her number to chill sometime

Being creepy is just overstepping your physical attractiveness. If you ask a 8/10 girl out while you're a 5/10 then yeah, its creepy. Don't try to ask out girls that are more attractive than you, its pretty simple. Everybody thinks they are entitled to an insanely hot girlfriend, which is the problem, imo

>>39015461
>work around Asian girl
>amazing slender body
>into nerd shit
>cute laugh easy to talk to
>face horribly deformed
>nose seems constructed from nothing
>basically a slope of skin with two holes poked in
>forehead doesn't quite match up with huge scar
>never mention it or ask\talk about it
>ask her out after a couple weeks of light chat
>get turned down

>>39013901
The "asking out for coffee" thing only works if you live in London, Paris, New York, or Tokyo. You know, where you can just stroll down the street to a cafe or whatever, like on TV. I live in a largish American city and I'd say that asking a girl to coffee is a bit of trouble, the cafe is nowhere near you, there's traffic to fight, parking sucks, you probably live in a town like this. And are you attractive enough for her to go through this? Probably not, she's got some guys around that are more accessible, or she knows already that are waiting in the wings for her. And who are you? A stranger.
When my sister and her friends were in their twenties there wasn't a nanosecond they were single. One guy to the next, they already had their next guy lined up, probably a bit of overlap. That whole single girl in the city shit? Hollywood fantasy.

Wanna go have coffee, Jesus I hate you!

>>39013912
Creepy is listening to military cadences through headphones and shouting them out in a quiet gym

>>39013912
Unattractive and uncharismatic, that's it

Probably you're ugly

>>39013901
>all girls are American humanities students that bought totally into womens studies and are virtue signaling

>>39018417
>Ive never been to Europe

>>39014591
n-no

>>39013916
Keked

>>39014100
Gently interested.

How to do you take a hint? I get it when it's painfully obvious, but most the time people do on the sly. Does not help that I'm a Brit bong, where people tend to insult you indirectly most the time, this does not apply to roadmen, chavs and other people like that, I'm talking about normal people.

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>>39013901
>>39013912
>Can we take a moment to explain what creepiness is?
Majority of the time anything bitches make up a bullshit excuse to not like. You could have perfectly fine guy with his shit together, yet she could still find a bs reason to call him a creep or anything else

>>39014153
girls don't want to invest time AT ALL with guys they don't see routinely.

1. you need an "in" to her social circle first.
2. Then you can talk to her here and there
3. finally after about a week if she's receptive, you can ask her to hang

Or you can realize it's not worth the effort

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When you have to tell a guy for the 5th time you're not interested in going out with him for mac&cheese.
And he keeps texting you and calling you after you got a new job.

>>39018445
actually i do this lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wir2OCmaKek
not even kidding, i usually sing this in my gym, like, loud enough to be heard in a 3m radius

>>39014079
>>39014093

probably the girl dropped the course because she was too stupid for it

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>>39014357
well meme'd my friend

Do you ask them if they have a boyfriend beforehand?

>>39013901
Coffee is slang, anon.

>>39021182
>entirely misusing a reaction face

>>39021613
Implying that's not the face I made every time he would leave after approaching.

>>39013912
Creepy is when you talk to a girl but you fail to control your volume and facial muscles.

"hey I WOULD love to - (wincing) - T TAKE you on a (sweating) - go ON a DATE - (eyes start watering) - and grab a c-cup of c-coffein - (burping) "

>>39013901

coffee is slang for sex

also you're probably unattractive

>>39021279
when were you diagnosed?

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>>39018287
I know that feel

>>39013901
was literally gonna do that to a one girl but we're both into each other for years so what do i do here niggas?

>>39013912
Everything as long as you are ugly.

50 Shades is only popular as the guy is good looking and has money.

>>39022496
yo that gramma swear im not drunk or anything lmao

>>39015461
>wanna hang out sometime
This has worked for me 3 out of the last 4 tries to get numbers and dates, desu senpai. Of course, I talked to them a few times before asking though.

>>39013901
I need some advice bros....

Do nofap:
>become more alpha
>standards become lower, actually become more attracted to ugly/average women
>start approaching women in public
>put women on a pedestal and that fucks me over
>more confident to approach women and ask them out, but often fuck it up because I become too damn thirsty

Fap:
>standards become super high
>reject women who are actually attractive and I'd sleep with if I was on nofap because standards have become high, so always regret later (just decided not to approach an asian girl with a great ass and legs but her face looked too bland and boring), realised a moment later that I'd fuck her if I was on nofap
>less inclined to approach women I'm attracted to
>less confidence to approach women
>put women on less of a pedestal but objectify them too much

How the fuck do I get a midground between these two?

>>39013912
Showing sexual interest while putting women on a pedestal, being overly sexual by objectifying them before you've made them feel comfortable with you and being insecure and a fucking chump. When a guy's like this, it makes the chick feel bored and worthless, kind of like when a guy feels like a woman's only interested in him for his money, power or influence. Yeah, you've gotta do a bit of light friendzoning. It's strange all the women who made an effort to chase me were the ones I tried to friendzone.

Basically be chad and you can fucking get away with anything, Zyzz tier philosophy.

Let me give you an example, I used to go up to women in clubs by saying 'hi!' and trying to talk them up etc etc, that shit didn't fucking work. Later on I just hit the dancefloor, start dancing with them and they basically just let me grind on them when we only know each others' names, some let me do it when I don't even talk to them.

I'm sure theres some more experienced guys in this thread who can elaborate on this.

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The Great Debate:

Option 1
>meet girl
>talk to her for a bit
>ask her out after first conversation
>high chance of rejection

Option 2
>meet girl
>talk to her for a bit
>don't ask her out immediately, wait until after subsequent conversations
>lower chance of rejection
>high chance of never seeing them again after first convo

Which one, /fit/?

>tfw doing nothing but playing vidya and browsing this forum in my early-ish adolescence up until now instead of going outside and interacting with people has permanently destroyed my self esteem and social skills
>tfw crippling self doubt
>tfw now incapable of interacting with people who aren't at least as depressed and jaded as me
>tfw no real aspirations or passions or things to hope for in life anymore
>tfw the only reason why I haven't killed myself is because my family might be crushed

Th-thanks 4shams

>>39024245
First of all you're fucking overthinking it, it's not that drastic a life decision. Just fap occasionally but without porn.

>>39024396
You're right I need some chill. -.-
Used to be able to maintain this in one of my high school where the culture was to shame whoever the fuck got mad.

>>39024340
I did Option 2 a couple of weeks ago and regret it because I still haven't seen her again.

If you enjoy talking to someone just tell them that and ask them for their number, regardless of gender. At least, that's one of my African buddies told me.

Option 1 is the best, but you can resort to Option 2 if you don't think the conversation went well enough to go in for the kill right away. I'm still a recovering social retard, so I need obvious cues like the girl laughing at everything I say, playing with her hair, avoiding eye contact, or obvious dropping of spaghetti on her part for me to consider option 1.

>>39024340
Easy.

>no time to talk to girl because you're on a train and need to get off soon or you are on your way to an appointment and pass her on the street
>you're on the dancefloor in a club and it's too fucking loud to be 'le classy mentlegen', ask her to dance and introduce yourself, shit's easy from there
>option 1: 'hey, I'm anon, etc. you're cute and I want your number, coffee sometime?'

>sitting in a library and there's a cute girl next to you
>in your favourite section of the bookstore/library/fitness store/clothes brand
>seeing a lady just idle in a park
>option 2.

Now go practice

>>39024389
First of all, think of all the times people have gotten good vibes from you, complimented you and loved you. Work out why you are awesome and what points of your character make you the fucking man. Now work on maintaining and improving those positive traits and start fixing all the beta aspects of your personality.

The first part of being confident is to love yourself anon.

The other day I had a woman 6 years my senior tell me I'm attractive while I had messy hair, a puffy sleep deprived face and poorly fitted workwear because we had good chemistry.

Start hanging out with more positive and productive people and they'll infect you with their life gains. A huge aspect to improving your life is making your social circle full of cool people that make you feel good and cutting out the losers.

What do you guys do if you want to meet a girl but she's in a group (of all girls)?

I've had 2 gfs so that means I can't be ugly right guys?

>>39024389
Sounds like you are me from 4 months ago

you gotta just start getting out of the house, m8
>find a sports club or other club to join
>start volunteering or doing community service
>make friend gains so you can go out to clubs and whatnot without being a loner
The social skills will only come with practice

>>39024478
It's easier to talk to girls when they're in a group imho
awkward gaps in conversation are usually filled by her friends

>>39021415
Where does Mexico has a border wall?

>>39024524
Ermmm not, if you walk up to a group of girls as a stranger, the moment you start talking to them all attention is on you, which only makes the awkward gaps even more awkward.

>>39013945
>mfw elliot rodger is shitposting from beyond the grave because he can't even get a qt demon girl in hell to fuck him

>>39013976
Elliot Rodger was not an attractive looking male. He just wasn't as strikingly ugly as your average shooters like the Columbine duo.

>>39013998
If you were self-aware, you would not regularly act creepy.

>>39014227
Guy on the right could get a better haircut, go outside to tan ever so slightly, and work out (note that his neck is rather thin). Obviously he's not gonna look like the dude on the left, but he could look a lot better than he does.

>>39013976
>>39024711
I think Elliott's issue was a lack of positivity mixed with his laziness to work for what he wants and a self-entitled attitude.

The guy was pretty fucking rich. He had a car and a rich dad who like directed part of the hunger games.

With Elliot's money, he could have gotten therapy along with dating and pick up classes and turned his whole life around.

He wasn't amazing looking but I wouldn't say he was ugly either. He definitely had potential.

Does a persons level of attractiveness determine how people treat him/her? My therapist told me that no one in the world is ugly and that people just look different. He told me beauty is subjective not objective. Is this true?

>>39024690
yeah this is kinda how I feel about it.

I just don't know how to approach a group of all female strangers

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>>39024784
>My therapist told me that no one in the world is ugly and that people just look different. He told me beauty is subjective not objective. Is this true?

>>39024784
He's half right. Beauty does not actually exist. What we see as attractive is an evolutionary mechanism that allows us humans to determine who is genetically superior, which makes finding a suitable mate much easier. So in a way, beauty is objective because it's fucking basic evolution.

>>39024340
unless she's already in your social circle how the fuck are you even going to see her again if you dont ask her out, unless she's like a cashier or something and you stalk her. if she's willing to go out with you after you pester her 3 times she'd probably have done it the first time. unless you're looking for actual girlfriends then this works

>>39024245
>Let me give you an example, I used to go up to women in clubs by saying 'hi!' and trying to talk them up etc etc, that shit didn't fucking work. Later on I just hit the dancefloor, start dancing with them and they basically just let me grind on them when we only know each others' names, some let me do it when I don't even talk to them.

you're probably just bad at talking 'aggressively' and you give off a more harmless vibe, going up and dancing with strangers out of the blue is way more proactive, plus girls are amped up already when dancing. just dont just stay there dancing forever, move her elsewhere in short order

also, nofap only if you sex regularly or if it actually works to get you out of a slump and this isnt just you making excuses. also, if you watch intense porn, dropping it for softcore or just photos or simply noporn is a good middle ground if porn is killing your drive.

>>39021028
spoken like a true victim of perpetual friendzoning

>>39015461
there's two possibilities here
either these women are mentally unhealthy cunts
or
you actually came off as creepy, and if you literally just came up and said
>do you want to hang out sometime
you probably were.

Also, if you had a pleasant conversation with them for a couple minutes and they said this, then you were missing some serious social cues and alienated them because even most messed up women wont pleasantly patronize a guy for a several minutes then shut him down and tell their friends hes a creep.

>>39024784
>no one in the world is ugly

This is feel good bullshit. There are clearly ugly and beautiful people in this world. Beauty is more objective than subjective

>>39024478

the most straightforward way is to simply go up and ask to borrow their friend. girls in groups are often just focusing on each other so unless you've actually gotten some sort of signal of interest there's a good chance she's not interested in you and you will feel like a creep to some degree

otherwise i'd definitely recommend butting in with a friend because girls actually arent dumb and they know why you're there, the friend is good to split the massive amount of judgement you're going to receive

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>>39013907

Ugly and what?

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>tfw 24 and have tried everything, but still end up with acne

shit seriously sucks, the fucking crazy thing is that like 4 years ago my face was starting to clear up and people liked me and I was banging a ton of chicks, now I'm lucky if I'm able to get one to engage in conversation with me

what the fuck happened

kill me

>>39013912
doing literally anything but not being a chad at the same time

>>39025005
accutane, exercise, proper and early sleep.

Avoid overly spicy, fatty and oily foods.

Also I think keeping stress levels down and keeping hydrated helps too.

Consult a dermatologist and ask about accutane

>>39013945
>when I posted a pic on /soc/
Hahahaha

>>39025005
just stop touching your face at all costs

>>39025027
I was actually on accutane a while back but stopped cold turkey because I had some bad side effects

>>39013901
never understood going out for coffee. coffee gives you bad breath and makes you poop. why would you want those 2 things in a date situation?

>>39013912

usually ignoring social cues and other general autistic social interactions

like 5% of the population IN MOST BIG CITIES are hyperfeminist cunts who will scream rape if you try to hit on them in any way whatsoever

another maybe 1% are emotionally unhealthy to the point they will consider any interaction with a male they arent attracted to tantamount to criminal activity

if you can engage women in a normal way and pick up on obvious social cues, if you've managed to talk to them for five minutes and they obviously arent anxious and annoyed, THE WORST THING that is likely to happen to you if you ask her out, is that she kindly tells you no thanks, or she gives an excuse (real or fake, doesnt matter) that she has a BF or whatever.

like 1 in 20 times, at most, she might be aloof and act insulted, these are not healthy women and you want no part of them anyways


the exception is if you act more aggressively (like real physical contact beyond a handshake or the friendly one armed hug within the first give minutes), that number might go up to 1/10, but even then it's still probably just going to be them nudging you away and going cold, and quickly finding a reason to leave, nothing devastating.


this only applies if you're at least above average looking and well dressed, and if you're on /fit/ and actually lift, you've probably got the first one (even if you think you dont)

>>39025059
Then stop being so self aware and insecure and start approaching women. Accept the state you're in and work on your positives and strengths.

The greatest damage acne has done to you is hurt your confidence and self esteem, which shows through the way you act and speak.

I've had beautiful women chase me and get rejected by me (accidentally because I was autistic) and ugly/average women who I put on a pedestal and failed to fuck.

>>39024784

well it is true that beauty is based on subjective personal standards and even the most hideous of women seem to find someone who appreciates them

unfortunately, the vast majority of the population has pretty similar standards

>>39018417
idk, it works in here in oregon, generally speaking we have a coffee shop every other street thanks to the hipsters.

>>39024971
PROUD

>>39018417

your city is a shithole then because even small-medium cities generally have plenty of coffee places. Furthemore, they dont have the parking issues that big cities do

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>really like a girl
>have had some less than successful nights with her
>she's dating now
>have to constantly hear her complaint about her partner
>spent a little too much time with just the two of us on a trip

there's no true despair without that little bit of hope, lads

>>39025210
You've got to move on m8

>>39025210

you're probably fucked in regards to a serious relationship with her, cant say it wont happen but its unlikely at this point

definitely do not 'hold out' for her because this is just going to lead you to despair, if it happens it happens, dont idly wait about for her to become available

also the friendzone is a meme, there's nothing wrong with female friends, unless its the theyre-using-you type of 'friendship'

>>39025252
it's not a meme when he's clearly "into" her and she doesn't reciprocate with anything beyond standard friendship

>>39025272
she was the one who approached me. she just doesnt want anything serious with me

>>39025272

judging by the average /fit/ thread and the fact he posted a shark feels picture, the way he probably acts she probably just thinks he wants to be friends anyways

>>39025252
>also the friendzone is a meme, there's nothing wrong with female friends
i think you misunderstand the concept of the friend zone. the friend zone is not when a male and female are friends, its when one wants a romantic relationship but the other does not and likely never will.

>>39025292
just drop her, m8. not worth the time or heartache. eventually youll realize its not happening and she wasnt anything special anyway.

>>39025292

elaborate on how she approached you. like she acted like she wanted an actual relationship but backed off, or what

did you tell her you wanted something serious?

if you did (and she's not using you to pay for her dinners and trips and shit) she's probably just being friendly

>>39025308
>>39025319
approached for sex obviously, she just doesn't anything beyond that


i don't hold out for her or anything like that. that little bit of hope just keeps her at the back of my mind

>>39025333

well unless this is actively causing you anxiety or depression or some other shit, nothing wrong with a fuckbuddy

your first post sounds way more fucking autistic and dire

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Are "running dates" just a meme?

If I'm a runner and so is the girl then is that an acceptable first meetup scenario?

>>39024340
Option 3
>never talk to girl because autism
>???

do I win?

>>39025364

its better than "night at the movie theater" but still pretty shit

the goal of dates is to actually interact and get to know each other/be more comfortable with people, and running isnt a very good way to do that

if your first meeting was really aggressive you might be able to get some shower sex after your run

>>39025364
Tfw I was taken on date then and I didn't even knew.
So basically this guy came to me, he's a coworker and bodybuilder I'm obviously not muscular so we talk mostly about nutrition. One day he asked me if I would like to go run with him some time and we did. It did feel a bit too personal but didn't know running dates are actually a thing. :/
I don't like the guy and now he's probably thinking he's making progress.

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>>39014338
>La Nigérienne

>>39018417
Holy shit you've really never left the country, have you?

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>>39025428

>>39025549
This actually happened just last week

>>39013945

>daily wardrobe 600$

Most days my boots alone are more than that. It means nothing.

I can look fancy and eccentric but good for 100$. And I can look Absolutely retarded in 1000$+ outfits. You're overestimating yourself.

I wore LVC raws + C&J boots yesterday. Along with a simple, tight white v-neck and a tweed jacket.

I swapped the jacket for my leather coat and a long ass scarf later.

Im not counting my watch btw, that's cheating. My uncle gave me his IWC before he died. The thing is 22k or something.

>>39024971
that scene where planton fucks with them in the theater is so enigmatic

>>39025627
t. Nu-male

>>39013912
It's when an extra tries to have a dialogue

Even by /fit/ standards this thread is fucking autistic.

>>39018287
I was rejected by a fat Jewess. We all experienced it breh

Learn how to not give a fuck. You don't have to be an asshole. Live your own life and learn to be happy and confident. This is what's attractive. Strike up conversation with girls not with the intention of getting with them. If they like you they'll probably show it.

Don't obsess over girls and try not to fantasize about fucking them. This will make you nervous and "creepy."

Girls are the ones who are suppossed to be nervous about this shit. It's cute as fuck.

>>39014079
It wasn't you anon. I essentially did this every day to my oneitis after our friendship broke apart (I technically had been "emotionally cheating" on my girlfriend at the time with oneitis).

Needless to say, she never dropped any course even with a mouth breather harassing her everyday.

>>39024528
Guatemala

>>39013901
You bunch of fucking autists.
Creepy these days is not something that says something about the person asking but more about the person being asked.
For most girls that live in their online fort that you can easily maintain without anyone getting in its easy to assume that you can handle people coming into your personal space.
If someone asks someone else out for those kind of people it is an INVASION OF PERSONAL SPACE, it is their lack of ability to handle a normal situation and in a case like that it is easier to blame the other party for your own shortcomings and even come out on top.

If you ask someone out and they dont want to a normal response would be
>no thanks.
If you are an insecure girl it feels like an invasion of the perfect self image you try so hard to hold up so they blame you for their own shortcomings.
>hey Stacy listen to this
>so this guy asked me out for a coffee
>he is such a creep
>(((girls laughing))) away their own insecurity


Yes there are real creeps but you get the gist

>>39024340

Always option 1.

>>39013901
Try not being an uggo next time, idiot

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>>39014100
pssh, do you think Gandy has ever been called creepy?

>>39024245
>approaching random girls in public
Sort out your autism first retard, unless you're literally male model tier you're not getting shit.

Smile, you fucking pussies.

This is the biggest fucking thing. First off, if you're so autistic you can't smile, practice it in front of a mirror because a smile is so fucking important, you can't even understand.

>>39024937
Let me tell you, if you're tall and handsome just start kissing them. You can grab them by the pussy and they'll go along with it.

>>39026657
The biggest thing is being happy, of which a smile is an indicator. Don't fake it.

>>39026685
Isn't it hard to grab a pussy if you have small baby hands?

>>39016526
This, just don't be unattractive.

>>39026760
Of course you should fake it. Reverse engineer the feeling. Smile and happiness will come.

Learn how to smile, start smiling and you'll notice that while you're walking along the street with a smile on your face, you'll be in a great mood.

>>39026764
You'd know, pussy

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>>39026784
Check my wicked sick time get

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>>39026685

creepy is when you do something that requires an investment above the amount of rapport you've built.

when two people are talking, there is not only information exchanged, but a mutual feeling of trust. thats what is called rapport.

when you do things the other person approves of, the rapport goes up, and when you do things the other person dislikes, rapport goes down.
this isnt only verbal, but also body language, mannerisms etc.

your initial rapport with the other person is affected by looks and information the other person knows about you, including social status, feedback from their friends, money, etc. etc.

the trouble of rapport is that they dont tell you how much rapport you've built up. you either pick it up from subtle cues like when they offer more information in their responses, or if they start having more positive body language, or if the topics of conversation become looser and broader etc. it takes practice to get a feel for it.

if you follow the pickup artist line of thought, the next phase of "closing" is finding a way to ask them out/get their number/go fuck. whatever level you get depends on the level of rapport you've built up, i.e. going out with you takes more commitment from them than giving you their number.
there's whole articles on forums here and there dedicated to this topic. with various approaches.

normies however should just stick to the format:
"I've got to go now, we should ____ sometime"
then if they say yes then you take out your phone and hand it to them on the add contacts page
if no then you say "that's alright, I'll see you around" and walk away

its non-comittal in the sense you havent set a time, hence its requires less commitment and can be done at a lower rapport.

then just text her whenever you're free and see where things go. there's whole books dedicated to text game too, but for normies:
"I'm free ___. wanna ___?"

This isnt hard. Questions?

>>39026804
>"I'm free ___. wanna ___?"
I'm free ballin. Wanna cyber?

>>39026813
soz. that should be:

I'm free (date) want to (activity)?

>>39026828
I'm free tonight. Want to cyber?

>>39014272
>quite positive

I know a fella who does PUA stuff and always runs his failures by me. The way he describes it, yes, it wasn't his fault.

Everytime I have watched him execute his "routine" he is the most sneering, unusual, unnatural fuck I have ever seen communicate. Often a rejection makes him all snide and condescending

Not saying you are, just that asking someone for coffee is one of the more innocuous things you could do... Either take a second look at yourself or evaluate your ladies better?

>>39026764
I follow your joking reference with another joke, following yout reference, and that is your answer?
Calm down, mate. Chill with that edge.

>>39013998
>act

>>39026657
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/body-odd/want-catch-ladys-eye-dont-smile-study-says-f1C6437381

>>39026804
Well thought out post, here, have some reddit gold.

Also, you forgot that the three pillars are rapport, comfort, and attraction. Now here is a sentence where I distance myself from PUA ideology and remark that while there's a lot of shit in it, its strong empirical base provides bits of useful information. I think the consensus is that rapport is necessary, while you can sometimes do without comfort, but attraction is the primary criterion.

Also, pondering human mating behaviour is much more fulfilling than participating in the mundane and stale process.

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>>39013976
>Elliot wasn't that bad looking either
He is a W/A mix and they always look fucking weird and ugly.

>>39013912

>>>/r9k/31971509

>>39026813
kek

>>39027264
I don't know what attraction and comfort are.

They tend to come naturally. If a girl is into you and you can't get into a state where you're both ready to fuck without guidance then you shouldn't be doing it in the first place.

I don't care much for women these days. The novelty wears off and you realise that fapping is both easier and more convenient. The only purpose of being in a relationship is emotional intimacy and support, neither of which I need. Unlike other man children who are conditioned to needing a woman figure in their lives, I'm content pursuing more important goals like career instead of wasting time with women. It will happen naturally, but until then I am not going to put any effort into it.

>>39027988
>implying men want meaningful relationships.
How is that list any different than what a man wants?

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>/fit/ when it talks about women: the movie

>>39013912

Women only want men around them for one or any combination of these three purposes:

1. Status (your social influence, connections and fame)
2. Sexual satisfaction (your appearance and fitness)
3. Security (your money)

If you appeal to none of these three desires, your physical proximity to them is offensive.

>>39028079
OK. Again, what does the list for men look like?

Do you believe having those standards of criteria is wrong of them?

>>39028097

A man with a sense of purpose will prioritize those things in parentheses, for himself; if he succeeds, the byproduct of hypergamous female attention is inevitable.

Are women "wrong" for it? No, I don't think so. It's rational. It's the natural order of supply and demand.

Women just hate me. I don't know what my problem is.

>>39013901
Well, yeah. That's what fags do to discuss books and other fag shit.

>>39028097

It's not wrong of them but it can be considered contemptible just like male sex drive is considered contemptible by women

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>tfw virgin because I don't like drinking coffee

>>39028213

Seriously, guys. I'm so lonely, but the women I like always hate me.

>>39026470
what? mexico has no border walls, at all. maybe they should, because the border with guatemala is porous as hell, but they don't have a wall or anything as of now.

>>39026572
Autism around women can only be sorted by approaching women and socialising with them more you dumb cunt, not the other way round.

I'm pretty damn good looking, but autism gets in my way.

Honestly women have way lower standards for looks than men have for women, so by your statement I assume you are pretty ugly.

>>39028293
>tfw poor because cara go fast

Learn2causation

>>39028557

This, I'm tall and pretty attractive but I'm not pulling every weekend because I'm kind of a cuck in terms of game

I have mediocre friends with charisma who've had more success

I like these daily relationship/women advice threads. It's been a more frequent thing these past 3 weeks. We should keep this up, it's quite helpful as social gains are as important in many cases as /fit/ gains.

It shows that our board is superior to other boards because

>>39028587
Just keep trying and keep doing it bro. Look up positive mental attitude and abundance mentality.

Think back on times when you fucked up your chances and what you could have easily done to fix your shit up. Think back on times you've succeeded. Take the positives, reduce the negatives.

For example, I actually attract women when I try very hard to friendzone them (either they are ugly or they're hot but their friend's hotter so I passed them over), however when I make an effort to hit on them or get hyper sexual, I tend to mess up.

I think it might be because I naturally have a friendly and cheerful nature and have always made friends easily with women and that charisma I have made them attracted to me rather than make them think of me as an emotional sponge.

We have the appearance of tall attractive Chads, we just need to act and talk like them. Look up Charisma On Command too on Youtube and some Return of Kings articles (there is some autism and pseudo science but a lot of good stuff too)

>>39028587
>pretty attractive
In other words, you're average in a sea of average people?

>>39028644
It shows that our board's superior to other boards because we don't do things to overcompensate for things we lack but try to improve ourselves in all aspects that we can.

Eg.
>/pol/ bitches and moans but does nothing
>/fa/ tries to dress well but have autism and terrible bodies
>/soc/ is a bunch of losers basically

>>39028587
You have to want the woman (No Second-guessing) or 'play' the game.
Don't play the rational/technical/Supremacy card.
Open her up and dig in...

If you fail, doesn't matter. It just means you are
incompatible (Which saves you a shitton of trouble in the future.)

>>39028645

No, I'm 6'3, 220 lbs. at 14% bodyfat, with a strong jaw and good looks and have been cold approached by good looking girls often in the past

I simply can't go out to a bar and start chatting up girls I'm attracted to on my own, they usually have to come to me first. Before puberty and growing up I was pretty insecure so it's been a barrier I've been working to overcome

>>39026406
>Strike up conversation with girls not with the intention of getting with them
Yeah but how? I'm trying to be more social now, and I want to strike up conversation not just with girls but with random people, but don't know how to. One doesn't just go to a stranger and says hi what's your name.

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>>39024871
No. It's a nice lie though.

>>39028676

That's my problem, I always default to the "le stoic" shit unless I'm in a really good mood instead of doing my job and going after a chick

just a prideful autist, I know it's basically just a defense mechanism for self esteem and isn't getting me anywhere

one of my best friends is the opposite of this, he's not quite as handsome but is high output as fuck with girls , I just want some of his spirit

>>39028713
Think of it like this. Talking to and approaching as many women you're interested in will fish out the incompatible ones and give you peace of mind for those that you would have regretted not speaking to.

>>39028713
Then it is about adopting the right attitude, no worrying about shallowness. You have to get immersed to get dirty.

Go all-in with confidence and 'play' the game.
Ride the mood and no self-doubt.
Soon, you'll become a mega slayer (If it is worth that much to you).

Just remember you can fail with your first ten-to-twenty girls but netting one makes the whole experience worthwhile.

>>39028676
>You have to want the woman (No Second-guessing) or 'play' the game.

Can you elaborate on this? What do you mean?

>>39028790
Girls can sense insecurity, indifference from a mile away and it typically turns them off (Unless you are Mega-Chad).

Going in with minimal restraint and just talking/feeling her up works for me best (Max Banter/academic shit).
If she doesn't feel right, ditch her.
If she feels right, express interest.

>>39028834
That's a lot like when I just rock up to girls in clubs and start dancing confidently, this one time this group of thicc girls just rolled with it and soon I was sandwiched between two of them.

How do you transition from the initial convo to feeling them up? I tend to read their body language.

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>>39013901
>mfw coming to terms with the fact that I'm actually good looking
suck it nerds

>chilling at neighbors house party
>having a good time, pretty drunk
>decide to go home to grab another beer and roll a cigarette
>find 4 random qts sitting on my stoop smoking weed
>cheekily invite them inside my place to smoke out and for some beers
>they all come in
>me and qts having a great time smoking/drinking and shooting the shit
>after a while 2 of them leave, me and another one help walk 4th wt to her dorm
>"is it okay if I crash at your place anon"
>she's a legit 8/10
>hellyes
>we end up banging like rabbits all night and spend all day saturday and sunday in bed drinking/smoking/fucking/talking while watching twin peaks
>constantly telling me how hot/sexy I am
>she's coming over tonight after class to make me dinner

We're all gonna make it bros.

Anyway ya she's hot, cool, and we mesh pretty well but I can tell she's getting really attached (even though she's trying to play it off like she isn't) and it's only been a few days. I guess I shouldnt mind but I've never been in a relationship and have always been a >tfwnogf shitposter, so this all feels like it's happening really fast and I'm starting to feel anxious about it, but desu pretending to be a chad is a new and weird experience to me
>wake up in each others arms and fuck
>make breakfast+coffee for both of us
>roll a joint while she talks to me about normie stuff like snapchat stories, twitter news, and her friends

>>39014115
Nah, it wouldn't. You could always play it off as "hey, I was thinking about the past the other day and remembered ya".

>>39028879
Talk to them and play possum (NOT play it cool). Pick the one you get along best.

It is a give-and-take scenario, tug-of-war
Once you feel comfortable, go for it and express interest (Ride the moment).

>Protip: Isolate and operate
You don't have to be 100% Bond smooth, don't obsess and focus on the girl (Humor her).

Slowly Build her up and tear her down (If you know what I mean)

Once she opens wide, dive in
Remember: Patience

>>39028967
Thanks for the advice. What do you mean by play possum?

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>>39028967
Not him but that doesn't clarify it much for me. For example, there are a couple of girls I've been talking a bit with. How do I express interest? I've never done it so I don't know how it goes.

>>39024463
noticing good post!

>>39029045
Thanks bro, I'm only still learning this shit myself, as can be seen here>>39029008

>>39029012

You could just say "Hey, want to go out sometime?"

Or "You wanna fuck?"

Either way.

>>39024340
Option 3
>grab her pussy

>>39024478
Oooh, pro-tip. Wing women are better than wing men. A group of women surrounding you puts ideas in other women's minds. They'll wonder if these women are all attracted to you or you're just a guy that really makes women feel happy and comfortable. This is a great use for those women you friendzoned. This makes approaching groups of women easier with your girl group since girls are always sweet and nice to each other up front. Being the man, you'll be the tallest of the group and seen as the leader, because while these girls are acting all awkward and shy, you're being funny and dancing around. The entertainer.

A group of girls makes you seem less predatory and threatening than a group of guys, who everyone can tell is on the prowl for pussy. Think of it like this, it's better to be the lion of a lioness pride than the alpha wolf of the wolf pack.

Mixed gender group of roughly 50:50 is also pretty nice.

Nothing's worse than dancing around a bunch of guys only though that shit is lame af.

>>39028327
it's a wall of prejudice

>>39024463
>Start hanging out with more positive and productive people and they'll infect you with their life gains. A huge aspect to improving your life is making your social circle full of cool people that make you feel good and cutting out the losers.
In other words, drop 4chan 4 life m89 or you'll never have the pussy

>>39025005
I took claravus for 4 months every day and have gotten only one pimple since then

>>39024784
It's subjective that you prefer blondes over brunettes. It's objective that you'd rail both if they are above a certain threshold like 5/10s

>>39025005
stop a2m anon

>>39013901
>>39013912
>approach girl
>H-HEY WOULD YOU LIKE TO GET SOME COFFEE WITH ME?
creepy

>approach girl
>start a conversation with her
>build a rapport with her
>ask her out to coffee some time
not creepy

>>39026406
>Strike up conversation with girls not with the intention of getting with them

why would you ever do that

>>39028901
>weed
>making it

pick wisely

>>39024749
>implying women care about you even when you are of average attractiveness

>>39013945
Elliot pls

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>>39028901
Ah man fucking enjoy it. That's how I got my college gf.

> tfw we broke up two months ago

>>39029239

>women you friendzoned

Where do you think you are?

>>39026764
>>39026685
>>39029211
hillary is a murderer

>>39030542
>I'd grab her pussy anyways
I dunno but grab her pussy and you'd be in jail are some really quotable one liners. It's like watching a 80s early 90s movie.

>>39026406
Why bother talking to girls if you don't want to bang them?

I match with many girls on tinder. They respond 40% of the time and from there the conversations are good for about 20 texts. Sometimes move to phone texts and almost never dates. How can I improve my texting game? I am shit at conversations

>>39025005
List everything you've tried, pls.

>>39030804
underrated meme