Sleek vs Yoked, Waist, and Deadlifts.

>>37074099

Also, I understand that genetics play a role in this, but I'm talking about what I can *actually* influence by my actions. I don't care about things that are predetermined.

Obviously you can add lean muscle in different areas through your choice of exercises. For this reason, I suspect that by changing my routine I could look *closer* to the image on the left than on the right. Thanks.

>>37074099
be born with a narrow waist

lel it's not going to make a difference unless you're pulling well over 5pl8

small waist is important but you can obviously make your shoulder to waist ratio bigger by training the shoulders and lats.

>>37074099

It's literally all about bone structure and muscular insertions as to which build will look better on your frame. If you have a narrow waist/hips the left will look better but right will still look good. If you have wide hips/waist the right will look better, but you'll still look good on the left. As far as muscular insertions, an example would be right has much higher traps and lower lats, while left has much lower traps and very high lats.

>>37074128
I'm at around 3 plates for deadlift right now, fairly lean though. The reason I ask is because I believe that to even be able to pull 5 plates I would need a thick waist. That's not something that I want, so why chase after 5 plates if it won't help me achieve what I want?

I don't care about functional strength/the amount I pull by the way. It's only purpose to me is to get the body I want. I'm a vain sonofabitch.

>>37074099
if you weren't born with a small waist you won't look like the left picture.

it really depends on your frame, deadlifts won't thicken your waist much

bro you just have to do stomach vacuums to get the body of the left

trust me i've left humanity behind..

>>37074165
Just roid then.

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>>37074099
>wanting to look like a twink bitch
OUTTA MY WAY

>>37074177
is there a link that shows how to do them properly? I feel like it's not working when I'm doing it

3 plate isn't a heavy deadlift. unless you really push yourself, you're not going to magically pop up to a 5 plate one without a lot of intense struggle. you might casually get up to around 3.5… and whatever, you'll still be skinny unless you're eating donuts every day

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>>37074099

>However, I'm concerned this will build mass in areas that make me look like the image on the right rather than the image on the left.

Meme. All classic bodybuilders did heavy deadlifts and squats.

The picture you have is simply a difference in genetics and bodyfat%.

>>37074266
Doesn't having a big developed tva give like the pregnancy belly?

Right is more attractive to the sloots than the left. It's also more /fit/ to have your core developed in that way.

>>37074268
>>>/lgbt/

Fuck off faggot

As a Natty, if you want to lift enough to have enough muscle to look like the sleek pic, you're going to have to do compounds that involve your core. OHP/Squat all work your core. When you start benching heavy enough, your core will work then too. Same with heavy-weighed chinups.

The only way isolations put on that mass without your core is Juice.

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>>37074374

>>37074266
>>37074332
It's a meme

>>37074268
You're actually pretty incorrect here. As an actual bodybuilder, I agree with you that squats and deadlifts are helpful, however, heavy weights for bodybuilding are not a necessity. Arnold used to squat heavy on occasion, but his typical working sets were 135-185 for squats. A lot of today's bodybuilders squat their own bodyweight (that is to say, their bodyweight on the bar) for high volume workouts of 100 reps in 4 minutes, and other bizarre ways to chase the pump. While some bodybuilders definitely squat heavy, and make it work (Ronnie Coleman, Kai Greene), many others squat relatively light weights at extreme volume because they can do more of that without fatigue.
Again, I wouldn't say no bodybuilders do those heavy, but they're definitely the exception rather than the rule.

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>>37074526

I'm talking about old timers, not modern bodybuilders.

Park, Reeves, Arnold, Zane. They all did heavy squats and deadlifts.

And I'm not arguing about fatigue or whatever. I'm exclusively talking about the effects of heavy compounds, specifically DL and Squat, on physique and waist thickness.

>>37074268
Are you sure? It looks like the insertions are identical, and the bodyfat is extremely similar. The only difference is in the proportional ratio of different areas (waist, traps, shoulders, etc)

>>37075244

Mate, it's a drawing. None of those two are actually real.

The guy who draws them can choose whatever type of proportions he wants. But they're just eyecandy, they're not real human proportions.

>>37074165
thick torso might be the result of hypetrophy of the transverse abdominis which produces IAP (intra-abdominal pressure) to prevent herniation of abdominal organs through the abdominal wall or rupturing of spinal discs.

if you are never intending to lift heavy weights then there isn't any need to train that muscle to hypertrophy - you would need to rely on machines in that case I think, so the weight isn't loading your spine. Some freeweight exercises might be ok as long as they were sufficiently far away from "axial loading" which is when the weight is directly above the spine. OHP loads your spine axially so that would be what you would want to avoid.

if you are training "show" muscles though you need to be able to understand your limits - loading the sort of weights your well-trained arms, shoulders etc. will be able to move around onto your spine without training the supportive muscles at all will be very risky - in a similar way to steroid users whose muscles develop ahead of their tendons, if you see what I mean.

>>37074311
I hear that sometimes "roid-gut" is HGH or actually I think IGF swelling the organs inside the abdomen.

Ht/wt/ waist in inches?

>>37075869

If I'm not mistaken, HGH causes the body to produce IGF. It's a chicken egg thing.

>>37074624
Arnold got away from that once he moved into serious bodybuilding. Zane did the same thing. They both dropped the heavy weights in favour of volume. Just because they're genetic freaks who excel at anything weightlifting related and happened to work on heavy weights when they started doesn't really say much about the contributions of lifting heavy to an aesthetic physique. You'd understand it a lot more if you were to actually lift, and even more so if you were actually a bodybuilder.

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>>37076005

The pic is from a comp in 66
He also competed in PL in 68
Arnold won his first the IFBB Mr. Universe in 69

>>37076054
Yes, good job on matching photos to years, gold star. Now try looking at how he changed his training up.
On top of that, you're missing the point, which isn't surprising because you don't have the experience, but high volume is key for bodybuilding, and heavy weight is superfluous. Worse than superfluous, it's inefficient for hypertrophy.

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>>37076113

Great points but you're arguing against a strawman.
The only point I made in this thread is that heavy deadlifts and squats are not detrimental to a classic thin-waist physique - as proven by many classic bodybuilders who had thin waists and did heavy deadlifts and squats.

Muscular shape is mostly genetic you fucking retards

if you're only a few years into training 1-3 I seriously doubt that you'll put on anywhere close to the amount of muscle that you think you will in those areas you listed.

If you focus on strength based compounds you will get bigger, but the tendons and ligaments will be doing the work.

if I've learned anything it's that steroids + a bunch of volume with many sets and exercises and a medium weight is how you make it in bodybuilding.

natties should lift 3 times a week compound movements, strength focused.

>>37074190
story behind that picture?

>>37074121
*narrow hips