bed bugs

>>1109849
>As the dry ice melts, it'll displace even more oxygen,

Dry ice doesn't melt, it sublimates. Turning from solid to gas. It expands and your vacuum sealed bag explodes.

To demonstrate take a plastic soda bottle and fill with about 1/3 water. Drop some dry ice in there and cap it. Give it a shake and toss it far from yourself. Enjoy your crude bomb.

>>1109860
I know that. I was going to put very small quantities.

>>1109867
Add a bleed off valve instead . Also dont do it inside. Later use bed btg traps to keep an eye on if youve killed the infestation .

>>1109849
Bag all your stuff.
Wash all clothing and fabrics in hot water and dry on high for a double run.

Get space heaters.
Heat the room to 110 and hold there for 6 or 8 hrs.
Clean everything. Steam clean everythung. Set up bed bug traps. But your matress in a bag

But traps down

Burn down house

>>1109849
Call them back and have them do it right for free.

>>1109849
There is no bullshit easy way to remove those cock suckers. If they're in your bedroom, just throw your fucking mattress away, you'll never end that issue.

Take all of your clothes put them in trash bags (in the room they are in), go to a laundromat and wash all of your shit there.

Systematically remove clean and remove things from the room.

Rent a real carpet cleaner and clean the fuck out of the carpet for eggs if you have carpet.

Being vigilant is the only way.

>>1109860
>Dry ice doesn't melt, it sublimates. Turning from solid to gas.
Stop trying to sound like a know-it-all.

Dry ice sublimates at room temperature, but it does melt at much lower temps.

>>1109902
I've never heard of an exterminator that guarantees the eradication of bed bugs.

>>1109904
Mostly this.

Unless they fully tent your house and fumigate or use heat, they're not going to kill them all.

Pack up all your clothes except a few pairs, bring them to laundromat and wash with hot water and double cycle on high heat for dryer. This will likely shrink a lot of your clothes so you might be better off just throwing them.

Once done, they cannot re-enter your house.

You need to heat treat anything with upholstery, so you're probably just better off throwing that couch out.

Since you live in Arizona, you could setup a tented area that would get hot enough, but then you have to wait until summer.

Is your carpet old? Might as well just rip the shit out.

Your mattress and box springs? Yeah they're fucked. Bag them until you have killed off the rest and then dispose of them. Replace with new mattress. Protip: keep the bag it comes in on.

Your best bet is to chip away at it until summer and just fucking nuke your house with heat. Wait for a 90+ (preferably a 100+) day and crank your fucking heat. Use a kerosene heater if you need to. Window blinds wide open to let heat it. Arizona heat should be enough to kill them. More than one day is better.

Getting rid of bedbugs with heat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GufBz_iXzbQ

45 Celsius = 113 Fahrenheit

If it was summer you could just stick the mattress in the back of a rental van and leave it in the sun for several hours.

Lots of youtube videos on removal

find somewhere you can rent these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewL5nDE3FSI

Diatomaceous earth nigga.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diatomaceous_earth

Makes little bugs bleed to death but is basically harmless to humans and animals.

>>1109849
You should take some time and fully detail a zyklon tank with a wheel included and pretend to be an actual nazi. You can gas the bed bugs and your room too. You would have to find a way to clean it though...

>>1109965
>>1109965
>>>1109860
>>Dry ice doesn't melt, it sublimates. Turning from solid to gas.
>Stop trying to sound like a know-it-all.
>Dry ice sublimates at room temperature, but it does melt at much lower temps.
You are a retard

Not that guy but look at a PT graph for co2, at 1 atm it never can reach liquid phase. The triple point is at 5.1 atmospheres so unless it's under pressure it will never come close to liquid.

Co2 is my bread and butter

Listen, if you're serious about Arizona sun, you could rent a portable moving container, fill it with your shit, and bake it until its heated throughout (use a monitoring thermometer) to above ...i forget exactly but above 115'F
should be easy in arizona heat. just dont melt your meltables

>>1110055
wow, maybe if you read his 4 sentence post before spouting your genius you'd read he already tried that.

>>1109849
>I tried DE (diatomaceous earth) along with a very powerful shop vac (pulls the carpet off the nails lol) but it only seems to reduce the numbers, rather than eliminating them.
Probably hatched after you thought you cleaned it all.

I worked for 15 years in the hotel business. i didn't read shit above me. when i last worked in the hotel their were two approved indoor use chemicals that killed them. i heard they were working less and less. there are cheaper outdoor chemicals that kill them. you need a liscense for one. they also kill them indoors. I forgot the name but you dont want to breath it. sevin works your not suppose to use it inside but im sure it works. idk about diatomaceous earth. thing is they aren't idiots.

when i left the business a few years back the solution for what you were trying to accomplish was to push all furniture into middle of room and heat to fairly low temp for a long time. like 125 for 12 hours. dont quote the temps.

i would not hire an exterminator who did not offer a guarantee. base all quotes only on those that offer a guarantee.

Thanks for the replies everyone!

>>1109883
>use bed btg traps to keep an eye on if youve killed the infestation .
I like this idea. Thanks!

>>1109901
>Heat the room to 110 and hold there for 6 or 8 hrs.
If I hold off until summer I can switch on the central heat and in combination with the desert heat, should exceed 110. Mean while, I stay at a hotel for a few days. Or is there some reason I should stick with space heaters besides the con of having to wait for summer?

>>1109904
>There is no bullshit easy way to remove those cock suckers.
You could say that again lol.

>Systematically remove clean and remove things from the room.
How about vacuum sealed bags or canisters and storing it in the sun? And then throwing out everything else that won't fit in my car (temps easily exceed 150 F in summer). I'm thinking of ditching the dry ice idea.

>Rent a real carpet cleaner and clean the fuck out of the carpet for eggs
What if I'm able to heat the house to above 110 for many hours? Maybe use the cleaner as phase two?

>Being vigilant is the only way.
Just curious, how long would I have to be vigilant? After experiencing these bastards I think this will be my new life style even after I eliminate them.

>>1109965
>I've never heard of an exterminator that guarantees the eradication of bed bugs.
The exterminator I had has a load of mumbo jumbo that they "guarantee" extermination but I don't feel like explaining all their crap. Basically, they don't.

>Wait for a 90+ (preferably a 100+) day and crank your fucking heat.
That's the idea I'm starting to get.

>>1110042
To me ATM, that was better than porn. lol now I know how the nazis felt watching jews in a gas chambers.

>>1110120
>Probably hatched
Probably did. It did cut down on their numbers, but it doesn't explain why we find adults in a late stage.

You don't own a cloths iron?

Any one have any suggestions on how many BTUs for heater(s)? I'm thinking going kerosene like someone suggested. Because gas beats the shit out of electric, and who knows, maybe the carbon monoxide will help lol

>>1110288
That'd only work on cloths. Maybe. Still need to take care of all the other infested shit.

>>1110316
I see one at walmart.com advertised as 23 000 BTU and also advertises being able to heat areas up to 1000 square feet. I suppose that's plenty for one of the rooms, considering my place is like 1200 all together lol.

Would I be able to use the heater in one room at a time or would I need one for each room and run them all at the same time? Idc how much this costs. I'll fucking get a 2rd job just to pay for all this shit if I need to.

>>1110150
>Being vigilant is the only way.
>Just curious, how long would I have to be vigilant? After experiencing these bastards I think this will be my new life style even after I eliminate them.

Up to a year and a half. You only need to miss one. And that can be without food fora long time.

>>1110318
it was late when i posted last might but put your shit in the middle of the room and with insulation foam panels or plywood but all your stuff in a container with a thermometer sticking out like you are smoking meat and a heater you can control outside. seal up the container. take you furniture apart to make it smaller. even those cheap propane ones work just dont start your house on fire. you might have to circulate the heat some with a fan though.

UPDATE
I've been vacuum packing all my possessions. During the process, I've observed some odd/cool things. Like paper back books become as solid as a block of wood, and sound kinda like wood if I knock on it. But one question I've got now... How do I handle electronics? Especially devices with batteries? I don't want the capacitors or batteries to leak/explode. If this happens, it'd be cheaper to throw out the devices and buy new ones. At least I'd save myself the expensive bags or canisters; they're not cheap.

Maybe I bring back the dry ice idea?
I put the electronic device with some dry ice and vacuum it just enough that it's tightly sealed but not crushed, and let the CO2 take over to suffocate those fuckers?

>>1110633
a lot of electronics can handle the temperature required to kill bedbugs. I'd just make a small heating chamber and heat that shit up.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bedbug+heat+chamber

>>1110633
110 is usually fine as long as the shit is turned off.

>>1110316
No you can iron the seams and edges of a mattress, same with the bed frame and along the baseboard to kill eggs and adults.

>>1110930
You can bomb the living fuck out of the mattress with Permethrin.

You can also shitcan it and sleep in a hammock with a hammock stand. I got rid of my conventional bed and am much more comfortable. Hammocks come in a wide variety and they are often /diy/ed for next to nothing.

https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/content.php

OP

Dude just remove water

They need water and oxygen to live

Buy a few rolls of mylar and make big bags.

Then take a few old pillow cases or t-shirts.

Fill them with a lot of fresh iron shavings and a lot of salt and baking soda. Sew your bags up. These are your dessicant bags, they will suck moisture and o2 out of anything.

Seal up your contaminated possessions with enough dessicant and wait.

You might have to repeat this two weeks after unsealing to kill hatched bed bugs.

>>1109849
The suggestions for heat treatment need a caveat that the treatment temperature for bed bugs is 120f for four hours.

You also need to understand how your building is constructed. Because you might be able to get the air space up to the required temperature for the specified times. But hidden areas can remain quite cool during the heat treatment like inside walls, electrical boxes, conduits and the like. The bugs WILL migrate to cooler areas as they get warmer.

Ideally you'll throw away your bed. You can buy the plastic covers but they just make you sweat more. Buy or build a metal hammock frame.

Absolutely everything gets put in plastic bags. Buy a shit ton of them. Wash all your clothes in the hottest water they can stand, and dry in the dryer until bone dry and dry an additional 30 minutes on high heat. The go into sealed plastic bags.

Anything you can wash and dry, you do so. And bag it up.

Go through your belongings and bag up anything you won't need for a year or more together. Bag them, tape them closed, and throw them in the garage.

The rest of your stuff hire a professional heat treating company to treat. They'll bring a box or tent and fill it up and treat.

After treatment bag it up and set it aside seperate from the non-treated bags.

Pack up all your furniture you can. Stuff you cant live without can go in with your heat treatment. Talk with the treatment company. They might suggest breaking down the furniture as well.

Wrap up your couch in painters plastic and tape it off very well with duct tape. Some throws will make it more comfortable to sit on and can be washed regularly.

Vacuum. Vacuum at random times of the day and at least twice a day. You'd be surprised how many of the fuckers youll pick up. Empty the vacuum outside into a garbage bag, twist it closed tightly. Tape it shut and mark it with a red X. Anything you are throwing out should be spray painted with a red X to deter freecyclers from grabbing it.

>>1111039
And bait. Make co2 baited traps for them in spots they're used to you or your pets being at. Bait every single night without fail. And clean the trap with isopropyl every morning. You'll be surprised how many of the fuckers you get.

Keep baiting, keep vacuuming, keep cleaning. You'll very quickly start finding less evidence of them visually. Then less evidence when you empty the vacuum. Then in your baited traps

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>>1109849
Change all your sheets and bedding to pure white.
Buy these bed post barriers and put under each bed post. This barricades all the bedbugs not in your bed already.

Anytime you wake up at three AM to a full flashlight search of your walls and around your matress and hunt the bastards.

re-wash in hot water and dry in dryer all your clothes and quarantine the washed stuff. Only wear the been washed clothes.

use diatomecheous earth around entire edge of your bed as a barrier, you have to basically sleep in the stuff. It won't kill you, it will kill the b bugs.

It takes a long time, you basically have to go to war with them. Don't have any guests over your house or they could catch them too.

>>1110952

I POSTED THIS

It is THAT easy!

You don't even need any of it technically.

Leave a blow dryer on for a day under your blankets over every inch of bed, carpet, etc


It will kill them.

>>1109849

Get Cimexa and use it on your baseboards.

Like DE, but it spreads from bug to bug. Damn good stuff.

Let nature beat the shit out of those bastards.
Beauveria bassiana

http://www.uoguelph.ca/~gbarron/MISCELLANEOUS/nov01.htm

>>1109849
Temprid SC worked wonders.

I watched

https://youtu.be/WmSqq0kenyU

And got the worst case of the heebie-jeebies I've ever had.

I wonder how many people have killed themselves because of bedbug infestations they couldn't get rid of. Good Lord.

GET SPIDERBROS

Thanks for the replies again, all! I'll read them all later. I just got off work.

>>1111039
lol after writing this reply, I'm starting to realize how brutal the summers are in Arizona. ...Not even bed bugs can survive it xD

>120f for four hours
I just bought an 80k BTU propane heater. I was thinking of putting it in the living room with all of the fans turned on (even the central fan that circulates through the whole house) until the entire house exceeds 120. I'm thinking of getting an IR thermometer at Frys or maybe something cheap from FLIR so I can check that various parts of the house are at minimum 120 F; but also not getting so hot that it may possibly combust. Fuck it I'll get heaters for all rooms if I need to. Fuck it again, I'll fucking drill holes in the wall to verify the temperatures if I need to.

>Absolutely everything gets put in plastic bags.
>Go through your belongings and bag up anything you won't need for a year or more
Already working on that! Part of the reason for using vacuum bags is because I can rest assured knowing it's 100% sealed; it's very obvious if any of the seals fail. No bugs get in, no bugs get out. I can boil it, toss it in the sun or whatever. The contents will remain void of life until the seal is broken. Maybe I'll just set it all in the sun for the entire summer and flip it over once in a while so the UV gets both sides.

>Wash all your clothes in the hottest water they can stand
2bh most of my cloths are shit. I'm thinking of burning them all.

>hire a professional heat treating company
After a quick google search, the only ones I can find appear to be exterminators. The last time I hired one it didn't go very well. Is there something else I can search? Maybe I'll wait until summer and leave it all in a rental van, like some one mentioned. ...or a crude solar oven.

>Vacuum at random
This + DE is the only thing keeping me 1/2 way sane. The red X thing is a good idea. I'd hate to have this plague spread S:

if i leave house for a month will they die

>>1112390
It might be extremely disappointing

>>1112396
so they live for over a month in an alone house? ive always wondered if i could just stay at my summer house if i get an infestation

>>1112398
They can live for EIGHTEEN months without food.

>>1111039
Sorry, I was tired last night and sort of just babbled and missed a few things... I've already done most you suggest to do, or going to do it. Then proceeding with steam cleaning and vacuuming like crazy; people will probably actually think I'm a nut case lol.

>Ideally you'll throw away your bed.
Already done. I need a new one anyway lol.

>Buy or build a metal hammock frame.
I like this idea. Can toss the fabric in the drier easily or quickly steam clean and the metal frame can be burned and then reused.

>>1111045
lol I found this video LITERALLY right before I read your reply
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuKHsqubCm8

>>1111265
Thnaks for the suggestion. I'll hit up home depot for it today.

>>1111267
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me this is real and I can get my hands on it! I'll fucking take botany classes if I need to (botanists study fungus, too, right?) This shit sounds too good to be true. Is it outrageously expensive? Do I need a license or something?

>>1111807
This seems to have a lot of good reviews on amazon. Fuck it I'll toss some of this shit in the pot, too. I'm assuming you used it yourself?

>>1112390
These fuckers are like some ancient Egyptian curse. One does not simply get rid of bed bugs (meme intended lol)

>>1112398
>i could just stay at my summer house
You'll likely spread it there, too.

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>>1109849

Have you tried Fipronil? That's how i got rid of all cockroaches i my appartment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fipronil

Make sure to keep it far away from bees, cause they're important.

>>1111267
https://www.amazon.com/BotaniGard-22WP-Biological-Insecticide-1lb/dp/B007ROV0BU

I found this, and ships in the US (it doesn't say they don't, like a few other sites). A few people in the comments stated it works on bed bugs. No way it's as easy as sparying around the house a few times.

>>1110070
Good for you, CO2 king.
This isn't about you, so go fuck off.

>>1112662
Don't bring your retardation to my board then

>>1111245
Bed bugs veteran here. This worked for me. Takes a bit of a lifestyle adjustment but it works.

Also sweep the diatomaceous earth under the base boards and basically into any nook and cranny.

Use yourself as a lure and your bed as a deathtrap. (Doesn't work if you have pets)

If I had to do it again, I would have moved to a new place immediately, sterilizing everything.

If I owned the house, I would have taken out fire insurance and burned it to the ground.

>>1112399
Proof the devil is real

Holy hell!!!
I started running the space heater on its minimum setting (50k btu) and now I'm wondering if I should get a smaller heater, or cancel this heat idea all together. I had to leave the room almost immediately because of how quickly it heated the room. Now that it's been running for about 20 minutes, it's extremely hot. I get punched in the face with heat. I think that the only way I can shut it off is if I cut the gas from the propane tank I purposefully kept outdoors

>>1113804
Well, here we are, less than 1/2 hour later, and most objects in the room exceeded 150f already. I don't have any fancy equipment from FLIR or anything but that's what my basic thermometer says and everything in the room is too hot to touch. Let's see how much longer I can keep up this heat output before something chars or melts

>>1113809
Here we are, now. Over an hour in. My ceilings are about 8 feet tall. Anything >4 from floor level is too hot to touch; and I was recently a bar tender so I'm use to grabbing hot dishes straight out of the dishwasher (Maricopa health code requires dish washing water be heated to 165F minimum, I believe).

Anything below 4 feet from ceiling level felt fairly cool; it didn't hurt me so it's very likely below 165F.

...looks like I'll be throwing in a ton of fans. I'm sure this'll help that fungus spread its spores... FUCK YEA

I bagged my shit up in black garbage bags to maximize solar heat, then tossed everything in the summer sun for a month. I bought a plastic mattress and left it in the sun too. It worked. For house use heat like everyone is saying, if you use poison(which can work), you have to pull up all your carpet and spray in the cracks between the wall, behind pictures on the wall, EVERYWHERE.

>>1109849
you need to kill the eggs and you need to seal cracks in the floor and wall and window area. do they look like baby bed bugs or like adult?

In Poland you get 100% guarantee on that matter, you pay once, pros come back up to 3 times for free. Nothing was working for me, either chemistry I could buy in shops or heating up... Until pros did it, 1 day out of the house, not cleaning the floor etc for a month and those little devils are dead for good. Simply call for someone good. They did it for like 130$ and bedbugs did not return so far (13months)

>>1109849
I had a bed bug infestation recently and I managed to kill then in my room with a bug bomb, and bed bug spray from hot shot. If they are only in one room this will work, if they are all over the place it's better to fork out the money for a heat treatment.

The bug bomb and spray are almost useless on their own but together they work. First get your self a mask (a good one, I didn't and I felt like I was going to die) then spray the ever loving fuck out of the bace boards and around your bed, then remove everything from your bed and throw that shit in the dryer for at least two cycles a piece including pillows and comforter if you have one, then spray the under side of your bed, and where they might hide, they love wicker, and anything with a lot of holes. It might be better to get bag and get rid of some of these things all together. I had to throw out a memory foam pad I loved. Also do not sleep on the bed the night you spray the fuck out of it. Next bug bomb the room, you'll have to stay out of it for about 4 hours, and make sure you barricade the door so the fuckers can't get out that way.

Before you bug bomb get everything that they might be able to hide under out and put it in a plastic bag, and either check it throughly for bed bugs, or throw it out. Bed bugs can be killed with heat so if you can throw it in the dryer for a bit (don't wash it first) you should be good.

Lastly before you bug bomb tip the bed up on its side and try and expose as much as you can to the air. Sorry about errors and what not, I'm on a phone. Hope this helped, it only cost me about 25 bucks as apposed to 1000.

>>1112366
Been a while and my unit is in storage so I can't check the details. A few years ago I bought a UV lamp bedbug killer that looks like an old fashioned hoover head. Idea being you run it over your bedclothes and mattress and it kills with high intensity light.

As I didn't have an infestation I just used to run it over both sides of the mattress once a month when I flipped the mattress, just as a precautionary measure. If all your items were in transparent bags I guess it would work through the plastic.

>>1112573
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://bedbugger.com/forum/topic/my-field-trial-of-beauveria-bassiana-fungus-use&ved=0ahUKEwjHm8XO8cDRAhUEfywKHb3PBJ4QFggaMAA&usg=AFQjCNETUzsmVFxjjllKi0udQHlteWLErg&sig2=AJlP_M8BmT0gHNMOnT0m1g sorryfor the long link!

Indoor trial using B. Bassiana or whatever its called.

Two sprayed applications a week apart did the job. Thread is loooong. Relevant info detailing results is near bottom of first page, methodology near the top.

Dave is the bloke conducting the experiment and there are a lot of company owners moaning extensively through the thread so an almost certain indication it does the job cheaply, safely and effectively.

>>1112526
>I'll fucking take botany classes if I need to (botanists study fungus, too, right?)
Mycology, mycologist

>>1113823
The fungus needs humidity, unfortunately the bugs do also. I'm no mycologist but one would pressure the fungus has some optimal living conditions and they aren't some hot and dry place. It is an fungus that lives in the ground so it probably needs humidity and not too hot.

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OP here.
The heat treatment seems to be effective. I've gotten only 2-4 bites per day for the last week or so. Just need to make a note to remove the shades next time lol. I'm on my tablet atm. I'll come back later to reply to you all.

>>1110070
I would like to know more.

I love dry ice so much. How is CO2 your bread and butter? Tell us stories!

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>>1118219
I'm an engineer for a co2 package company, primarily cryogenic tanks

Pic related, at 1 atmosphere of pressure co2 can only exist as a gas or a solid

>>1118644
Sweet. I've got a physics degree.

I love what ridiculous levels of cold can do to matter, you know?

>>1118673
Cold doesn't do anything, it's the heat that does everything

>>1118219

Lmao samefag

>>1109849
Fucking heat. You gradually heat the entire apt/house to ~110 and then bump it up to 130 and let it soak. When they're at 110 they'll go into the carpet s where it'll be cooler, and when you raise it to 130 they start to feel the heat so they try to climb out to escape it but get roasted instead.

i've been drinking, numbers may be off. 130 is sticking out

>>1110935
Back to your containment board hammockfag.

>>>/out/