Body Swap thread

What's your favorite route in the game so far?

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-blows smoke in your face then goes to fuck girlfriend behind dumpster-

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>>7187585
The twins route, though Connie's was also nice. Shame the 'love slave' ending was just a tease.

I also enjoyed the one where you become Kiyoshi's GF and get the bastard that made your sister the way she is.

(Pic slightly related to Connie route)

>>7187585
The one where you become Kiyoshi's girlfriend and then go through with his plan at the end. The latter half of it is really strong, going from best friends to lovers willingly and over time rather than just "my best friend turned me into his girlfriend" is something I'm into and loved how it was handled.

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>>7187585
A lot of people say Sayaka because of the conditioning to be the school's queen bee but my favorite is the twins route. It's pretty comfy.

>>7187585
Despite being short and unfinished, I liked the Katrina route
Coupling together after mutually masturbating in each other's bodies is pretty hot

But I'm worried that it's gonna take a turn for the worse, what with the warnings both Kyoko and Kyoshi gave

>>7187644
>The twins route
Please explain

>>7187808
Dominant loving 'big' sis/being helpless cute girl fetishes

There's a new update?

>>7187585
The Leona and Sayaka routes are the ones I want to be updated the most.

>>7187808
If you get the magic book instead of the remote you can go into one of the twins Phila or Mina. John doesn't think this through and goes into Mina's body. Mina being the more submissive and weak of the two relies heavily on her sister to take care of her and very rarely leaves her side, John helplessly falls into this role aswell.

>>7187644

Twins and Kiyoshi's route? I feel i missed a lot and i thought i did everything...hm? If you dont mind me asking how do i get to those?

As for the question,
Connie was especially when she swapped places with you and made you want your previous body. I just wish that there was a way for her to keep it and since she is controlling she likes being in your body.

Also if possible, can i get more save files? I try to save at every "option" so i can always go back and only have 30 stinks

>>7187827

OH! totally forgot about that one.

>>7187832
>30 stinks
kek

>>7187797
Hot, and also very heartwarming in a /d/-ish way, isn't it.

>>7187832
I do the exact same thing and have already run out of save files, so more would be appreciated. That, or a flowchart because that would make saving less necessary to find everything but a new one has to be made every release and that takes time, so more saves would be nice.

>>7187585
So hard to decide. Leona, Abby, Katrina and Sayaka are stubs right now but I like where they seem to be going.

>>7187824
how do you get to those ones again? It's been so long since I played I cant remember which routes lead to new stuff and which leads to old.

>>7187936
For Leona, don't do anything with the remote until you get offered to use it on your mom; then, press the bottom button as opposed to the top.

For Sayaka, get the remote confiscated, and mention it to Kat when going to retrieve it.

>>7187585
Quite like the Yui route so far and interested in seeing where the Zoey route will go.


>>7187832
Remember you have autosaves too, they save on every choice screen.

Best bet I feel might be to keep a manual save for big diverges and use auto saves to change choices on a route. Think we have quick saves too.

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>>7187921
Speaking of flowchart.
May as well post the 2.0 one that was made.

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>>7187973

So far, I gotta say I'm crazy impressed with Student Transfer. Press Switch certainly has more erotic or fapworthy moments at this time, but ST really does have some pretty good nuanced writing in a lot of places. Way more than I would ever expect from a fan made TG/Body Swap visual novel, and leaps and bounds ahead of PS in that aspect.

10/10 honestly.

>>7187973
Thanks to the anon who made this
I somehow managed to try every combination in the Yui route EXCEPT for the one that led to an actual ending because I assumed it was just going to be a slight dialogue alteration again

Good thing I did check, because the twinning end was the hottest one yet by miles
It still felt like it ended too soon despite not being a 'path under construction' cutoff like the others, but then again I guess there's not much else that could be asked for
great work

>>7187585

S A Y A K A

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>Connie Route

Holy Shit. I... I came here to fap, not to feel. Aside from the part where you become jane where there are no choices and the writing is iffy, I loved everything about it.

If the writers still have this thread up, are there any plans to make John more dominant? I can appreciate that other people like the sub/identity death stuff but I would like some real nitty gritty "john gets fed up" stuff.

Y'all doin gods work.

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>do the mother route in press switch
>nothing lewd happens after the blowjob 5 minutes in
>the only identity death that happens is her body goes on autopilot while she's at work
>its just you being sad while the mother runs around in your body telling you how awful you are

bit of a letdown desu

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>wasting genderbent Kiyoshi and male John stuff on Connie shenanigans

DELET THIS

Not gonna lie, I'm hopping for a Holly route to eventually happen. I remember my first time playing, she was the one I was most interested in swapping with/possessing.

is the connie route you all love so much on magic or science path?

>>7188089
Connie writer here. You know those sprites can be reused, right?

>>7188111
It was a good route. Don't know what there is to complain about.

>>7188097
science remote.

try to use on yui, it gets confiscated, confront connie

>>7188097
Science.

>>7188094
I think there's a holly route in the works for the magic part of the game

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10/10
excellent meme usage

>>7187582
Never heard of this game, more info? Where can I get it?

>>7188232
http://www.tfgamessite.com/?module=viewgame&id=790

It's a visual novel where the MC gets his hands on either a magic book or an alien device, it involves body swapping, possession, gender bender, mind control, etc. Just had a major update which tripled it in size.

>>7188242
>http://www.tfgamessite.com/?module=viewgame&id=790
thank you.

>>7188242
tripled my dick in size too

>>7187585
The one where you become a cute girl and your best friends girlfriend.

>>7188125
Awesome, can't wait for that. Was always kinda disappointed only one story thread ever lead to anything related to her past.

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>>7187585
~

>>7188328
>tfw this will never happen to you
Legit fucking depressing me

Is the writer of the Kiyoshi route(s) still with the project? I know those are from earlier versions, but I replayed the route where Kiyoshi turns you into his ideal girl and John can't swear or anything and I forgot how good that was. Since there were lots of writers in the last thread, I wanted to give a shout out to whoever wrote that route if he's still around.

>>7188111

Connie's route is great. My only criticism would be (and this goes for some routes written by others too) that some of the endings could use a little scene or two of "weeks/months later" to show how things end up. Like Connie's "love puppet" ending. Yeah, we get the implication of what happens, but even a brief scene after that which shows kind of a snapshot of what every day is like for John as her puppet would go a long way in enhancing the ending.

>>7188333
Being a guy isn't all that bad

both sexes have their upsides and downsides

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http://g.e-hentai.org/g/1012283/db49f90ff8/

This is a recent possession doujin that I thought was quite interesting. It's about a girl who is at odds with a guy and takes revenge by possessing his body for a day and engaging in degrading acts such as crossdressing and getting fucked by some stranger. She then publicly humiliates him by taking pictures of what she'd done while in his body and spreading them to their classmates.

This is the sort of thing that I'm missing from ST. There's a lot of body swaps and genderswaps in the VN but it's often mutual and doesn't involve conflict or malice, I think the Jane the Slut route is the only exception to this. Also, M/M scenarios are overlooked in both PS and ST and I think it's something that should be explored.

>Narcissistic Kyouko

This is fully my jam, I need more of this.

Also this entire magic branch with your friends is absolutely great, I'd read/watch a manga/anime about hijinks with your friends like this.

>>7188111
How did you know my fetish was girls that own gimmick?
Nothing can make me harder than that.

>>7187585
Sayaka

This whole project needs more identity death and mind control desu

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>>7188669

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I can't wait for more of this girl

>>7188669
>>7188679
KYOKO ROUTE WHEN

>>7188769
I thought it was odd that they (her and her maid) were just kinda there, but I guess that they're mainly bait for a new writer to have fun with.

>>7188773
Not soon enough. She's adorable.

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>Can't go inside

Aaaaa

>>7188773
I hope to see it go with constant body switching between John and Kyoko so she doesn't go crazy and kill herself via masturbation.

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>>7187582
>still no qt demon girlfriend route
>end me now

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>>7188814
>ends off with making the wish to be rich, attractive and popular
>demon girl implies she's gonna mess with the outcome
>it fucking ends abruptly

I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS

>>7188841
Obviously she's going to put you in the body of a QT girl who is rich, attractive, and popular. Then the girl's personality- who is now in John's body- gains all of his magic powers and starts fucking up John's life, with Circe as her companion.

>>7188841
You become rich in flavor, attractive to dragons, and really popular with stomachs

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>>7188874

>>7188062
Fucking having an insane time to get to the two!

For some reason whenever i open the zip file it says that the archive is corrupt
I've downloaded it multiple times but still says it is corrupted

>>7188952
>Corrupted

But the demon routes aren't even implemented yet!

>>7187582
Discord RP chat:
https://discord.gg/29XhZ4D

>>7183256

I can't tell if I'm retarded, but I can't find this in the flowchart or going through the Sayaka route anywhere. Am I missing something?

so whats the hottest route/steps to go through the game.

i like mind alter sit so stuff with that would be good

>>7189085
The bad end for the ghost hunt route is good.

The abby route is good so far, but it needs more work.

The Sayaka route is looking great, and it's in pretty active development.

The twin possesion route (Mina mainly) is also great.

>>7189083
Sayaka writer went rogue last thread

>>7186960
>>7187006

>>7189083
>>7189126
On the Mistaken Identity route, try to make Cornelia leave Kyoko alone, and then don't tell Kiyoshi off. You should get to that image. Also the Sayaka writer is still around.

>>7187585
Yui went places I didn't expect, though I didn't realize how much I would enjoy the Sakaya and Mina paths.

Hope we get a happier ending on the second without having to end up with Philla.

oh man having the ending be Mina finally standing up for herself and admitting a crush on John after you get out her body would be phenomenal.

...Or if you're the one making the confession to your dummy body...

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>>7188860
>girl in your body proceeds to mentally program you to become her girlfriend via roundabout ways (get incredibly horny if you haven't ingested her fluids for a while, become incapable of lying to her or ignoring her orders, randomly spout compliments for her, etc.)
>your friends piggyback on the benefits of their friend having a rich girlfriend, and you overhear them telling "him" how alpha "he" is for having a rich girl wrapped around "his" finger
>the longer this goes on, your thoughts become more and more predominated by how to best please her next, to make sure she doesn't leave you

Hoo boy

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>>7189494

>>7188860
id prefer to see her turn John into a rich girl version of himself, and noone believes him that he used to be a guy.

>>7187585
Yui's adorable. Adorable!

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>>7187585
Mina route by far, the submissive and slow identity death with the twin aspect is absolutely perfect.

Jane the slut and the path with Kiyoshi that leads up to it is pretty good too. The Connie path hit absolutely zero of my buttons, but it was great storytelling and I enjoyed just reading it the whole way through, even if the ending(s) both made me sad.

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>>7187585
I really liked the Katrina dating route, im hoping that she decides to mess with john in some way (make him enjoy being a girl, turning him into her twin, etc).

Im also really excited to see what happens with this route.

>>7187585
Kyoko route, where she drank the potion. It's just this wonderful group friend fun, super comfy. Kyoko's antics are adorable, and that hint of self-love really opens up a lot of super interesting possibilities.

>>7189672
Which route is that?

>>7188860
I was thinking it would end up leading to a Sayaka/Cornelia twinning route or something along those lines

>>7189693
it's one of the options in the sayaka route you have to ignore Kiyoshi, not much to see yet though its only about 5 lines.

>>7189706
found it, cheers

i really liked the Connie path but i wish there was an option to turn her into a younger version of herself, or a twin of another character (Katrina would lead to some interesting twin jealousy) so that she can get another chance as a teenager.

>>7189721
Or just keep her as Kiyoshi's genderbent form. That was excellent, I enjoyed that date in her body immensely.

>>7189726
I think then what you're really vying for is genderbent Kiyoshi, not necessarily Connie as genderbent Kiyoshi.

Demand genderbent Kiyoshi!

>>7189747
i like the idea that genderbent Kiyoshi is just as desperate for guys as he originally was for girls, even better if he now she had just as much success as before because she's still just as crazy.

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>>7189747
But I really liked Connie in genderbent Kiyoshi form. Something about her and her childhood made me think there'd be a "happier" ending than the "Happy Ending" you get. It didn't feel very happy, felt like Connie didn't really grow and John just went along with it out of a desire to see her happy.

Although maybe down the road Kiyoshi getting the mental reprogramming treatment like John did in the Jane route would be nice.

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>tfw less than two days and you've already played through all of the content
>twice

this is how i die

>>7189751
I adore the idea.

Unfortunately, I'm entirely preoccupied with the Mina path atm. Though I'm pretty sure everyone in the house loves genderbent Kiyoshi, I'm sure she'll get her time in the limelight soon enough.

>>7189761
Don't worry, updates in 2 years

>>7189761
>>7189766
Not if I have anything to say about it. This release and the reception are definitely energizing us, and hopefully we'll be able to get our next story update much sooner. We also got some new blood finally, though we always need more.

>>7189773
Best of luck to you. I'll say you have a better chance than the press-switch guy, since even if 1 writer gets burned out/busy, the rest can still release content.

Of course, coordination is harder.

>>7189754
Source?

>>7189773
Good luck writer-senpai, everything about ST is gold. This is some of the best stuff I've gotten to read in a long time.

i'd love to see a continuation of the Zoey path where she figures out the remote, turns herself into Jane. Then she gives you the remote, but makes it so that you can do almost anything except change yourself making you stuck in zoey's body. It would be interesting trying to get your friends back when not able to turn yourself back, it could also lead to some lesbian funtime.

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>>7189776
Generally speaking, people work on their routes alone, but editing is a group effort.

And if the actual route is a group effort, well, usually we find a way to make it work, see pic. Obviously super work in progress. Each color represents a different writer as we worked on the piece live. (this is the 0 mina acceptance route)

I'd like a little more on the love slave ending with Connie. The 4th wall bit at the end is great, but to really cement it as a bad end, we should see some more of John in Connie's thrall.

Kind of like the Jane the Slut ending.

>>7189781
I hope we see this path continued too.

>>7189818
Yeah, it was a good route but what it was really missing was an epilogue.

>>7189818
I don't think it even needs to be cemented as a bad ending. Being madly in love with someone that loves you back is something a lot of guys want.

But I also definitely want it expanded on.

>>7189083
>>7189145

That's the route labeled "Trapped as Sayaka with her memories" on the flowchart iirc

It's like the last panel before the route under construction sign

Also, for the anon in the last thread that asked me how I made the flowcharts, I used LibreOffice Draw

>>7189159
>Mina having more of a backbone than John
>As soon as he's out of her body she actually stands up for herself
>It was actually Johns' lack of spine that let Philla boss him around so much, he just misattributed it to Mina

Yeah, I can totally see that, actually. John's a total pushover/doormat, which I guess is what makes him a good girl.

>>7187832
>Connie was especially when she swapped places with you and made you want your previous body. I just wish that there was a way for her to keep it and since she is controlling she likes being in your body.
This. I wish she'd ease you into it, keeping your male body and turning you into the teacher she's fucking. But in a nice, gradual way that's close to consensual like the fucking scene.

>>7187973
There's a mistake here. I think yuo meant to put the crossplayer ending on the top.

>>7187832
Different anon, but I was hoping there'd be more opportunities to get her as female Kiyoshi (make her a clone of Kiyoshi, then genderbend so she can relive her youth or something to that effect) and/or for you to get with her as Jane.

>>7189917
Never made the flow chart, I got them from the last thread.
Just thought it a good idea to get it posted near the top of the thread.

Does anybody know how to use the Scenarios part of the game? Or should we just wait until another update comes along to explain it?

>>7189953
An explanation and example is coming in 2.1, it turns out there's an issue with it as it is implemented now.

Yo if any of the ST Devs are listening, I beg of you: Don't turn every fucking route into some identity death rape fantasy bullshit just because some overly vocal /d/tards want it. They'll eat the shit up no matter what, but I can guarantee you the rape-iness that's prevalent in this thread and the last is a massive turn off for plenty of people.

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>>7189971
Aren't the vast majority of the routes not ID related in any real capacity? Connie isn't, Yui Rei Me isn't, Crossplayer and Jane Doe aren't, most of the rest (date with Kat, Awkward moment, almost the entire magic half) have absolutely no ID in them, only what could be considered mild and temporary hypnosis at best.

As one of those vocal /d/tards expressing their appreciation of what does exist, I think you're worrying over nothing.

>>7189989
The Connie route has a rape scene, and the bad end (Which everyone on the last thread was begging to get fleshed out) ends with what might as well be identity death since John loses his free will, The Jane The Slut ending is also identity death, and again is super rapey.

I'm fine with having some ID in the game, and I think it works well for bad ends. The problem is that there's a lot of dead ends right now, and plenty of them could be expeanded into ID bullshit. The Yui possession route, the Tori route, the Leona route, the Swim Team possession route, plenty of these could be turned into ID routes. I also think that all of these routes have a lot of creative potential, so I'd like for them to not be turned into absolute dogshit at the behest of a bunch of Anons.

>>7189971
I'm one of the writers, and after reading the feedback, I've come to the conclusion that everyone wants everything. I'm trying to give the people what they want while simultaneously writing what I want to write. Luckily for you in particular, I don't like identity death.

>>7190021
Identity death isn't a synonym for "any mind control or mental alteration".

I don't think either the Connie end or the "jane the slut" ending were ID (though it's been a while since I read the jane the slut one). The connie route was placing a singular obsession in the mind of a person. It warps their priorities, but doesn't fundamentally remove who they are as a person. Jane the slut was similar, John's personality and memories were preserved and her priorities were shifted to sex, if I remember rightly.

>>7190021
>The Connie route has a rape scene, and the bad end (Which everyone on the last thread was begging to get fleshed out) ends with what might as well be identity death since John loses his free will
That's the good end. That's the one where John's conscience is 100% clear, yet he still gets to spend the rest of his life with the woman he loves, and she still seems to unconditionally love him back. It's connie who has to deal with the guilt and consequences, though they seem to have kept it on the down-low.

The bad end is the one where they get married and forced people to like it.

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>>7190021
Yeah, Jane the Slut I specifically didn't mention, though it's honestly more mental alteration than anything else. John is still aware he was a man, still aware he's being forced into it and what his old life was. If you wanted to call it ID, it's the closest there outside of Mina.

Calling Connie's bad end ID is stretching it pretty far, it falls under femdom/worship and hypnosis far more than any other category. All of these routes you mention could easily be expanded into watersports as easily as ID - the writers haven't set it up that way, so assuming everything is suddenly going to be into that fetish you dislike seems really unlikely.

It's mostly conflating hypnosis and mental change with "Identity Death", which aren't really the same. Calling other people's fetishes dogshit because you dislike it isn't really conducive to anything, especially given the board you're on.

>>7190044
>It's mostly conflating hypnosis and mental change with "Identity Death", which aren't really the same. Calling other people's fetishes dogshit because you dislike it isn't really conducive to anything, especially given the board you're on.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I write identity death, mind control, etc because I feel like it. Not because anyone is demanding, nor because some people are bothered by it. Most of Student Transfer (overwhelming majority) isn't ID, I see no reason to get angry and call people's fetishes 'dogshit'.

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>>7190023
I'm sure it'll be fine. As always, there's going to be a bunch of anons that aren't posting but still enjoy the content. It's not going to hit everyone's buttons, and some of us are going to with you hit subject X or Y more, but that's pretty standard and you won't be able to please everyone, because you're not writing for one specific subset of posters.

I know you don't need the trite reassurances, but I'm pretty happy with how it's panned out so far and the vast majority of the stuff doesn't resonate with me at all. The stuff that does is great, and the writing in the rest is more than enough for me to want to read it out. Honestly, the Connie route was just good storytelling.

>>7189773
>Not if I have anything to say about it. This release and the reception are definitely energizing us, and hopefully we'll be able to get our next story update much sooner. We also got some new blood finally, though we always need more.
I want to help. I write at an academic level but I love this shit. I'm also a programmer on the side. How can I start?

>>7189971
>rape-iness that's prevalent in this thread and the last is a massive turn off for plenty of people.
>rape-iness
>>>/lgbt/
Seriously fuck off.

>>7190067
Fantastic to hear! Send kmalloc, OP of the thread, a PM. http://www.tfgamessite.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7267

Hope to see you on the team soon!

>>7189971
Where do you think you are?

>>7189971
Tumblr is leaking

Who cares if it's a massive turn off for you? Moreover, if it's prevalent in this thread, doesn't it mean it's popular?

>>7190067
read lots of sci-fi and fantasy t b h

Experience by osmosis. Being in IT you should at least have an IQ over 110, and that will help a lot, but not if you don't understand what good writing looks like.

If you can't understand people's motivations, cannot empathize with others, cannot understand emotions, or basically suffer from autism in general, you won't be a good writer.

>>7190044
This.

Although I can't fathom why someone would go into a MC themed TG fan project then complain when MC comes up.

People obviously don't want identity death to be present in every single line. They just want variety within the game. If you don't like ID, there's a pretty cool option for you: another option. I'm not the biggest fan of the Sayaka route but I'm not going to bitch and moan at everyone else for wanting more of it.

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This game has a habit of cockblocking me.

Is the guy who wrote this bit ITT? Any chances of finishing it in .3?

>>7189963
That's what I saw in the thread over on the game site, but wanted to see if anyone was able to get something to work with it.

Definitely still looking forward to it, though. Had some interesting ideas with an ending for the Sayaka route that I really wanted to try actually seeing it in the game with the Scenario thing.

>>7189754
I entirely agree with everything you just said. I thought connie's route was great but both her endings just sucked.

>>7189672
Katrina's route also mentioned that she is into BL, I wish the writers would include a route that focuses on that interest of hers

>>7190289
>>>/y/

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>>7189971
>rape fantasy
>rape-iness
>massive turn off for plenty of people

You have plenty of material to jerk off to that doesn't involve any identity death in the slightest. And you don't speak for anyone but yourself, you little shit. Your tastes aren't the end all be all.

>>7190291
Yaoi by itself is not very appealing to me. It's the involvement of mind control, body swap, genderswap, etc. leading to yaoi is what I'm looking for. Unfortunately that is something incredibly rare so I'm interested in seeing content made about it wherever it fits.

>>7190289
i much prefer Yuri to Yaoi (unless it involves traps)

>>7189917

flowchart guy here, it'll be fixed in the next version don't worry. I'm just holding off because the devs are saying v2.1 should be coming soon

>>7190310
>Your tastes aren't the end all be all.
And yours are? He isn't arguing that at all, just asking for the game not become centered around one thing.

>>7190412
Not the guy you replied to, but the dude literally called other people's tastes dogshit, so yes, he was saying that his tastes are the end all be all.

>>7189971
>>7190412
>>7190310


Guys, hush. We're going to include plenty of both ID and not. Our tastes vary as wildly as yours do.

I WANT MORE YUI!!!!

Also, the Ms. Lutens path is so great. It basically ends on "Now I'm fucking pissed, I'm gonna get my body back." I'm excited for it to be finished.

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>>7190514
>Ms Luten is head of the school, is also very conniving and calculated
>she also now has the power to shape the world in her image
>John gets pissed and decides he will do whatever it takes to regain whats his
>Student transfer rising: Revengeance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dPaVk4G1jg

ALIEN TECHNOLOGY, SON.

Is this group running donations or something? I almost feel bad getting this for free

>>7190614
It's less of a group and more of a mob if I understand it correctly.

Besides, best to not involve money since the game uses stolen assets. Nobody cares if it's free, but it technically violates copyright laws.

>>7190619
right o

>>7190363
Thanks flowchart-senpai, having that stuff mapped out is appreciated. I can't keep all that straight otherwise.

>>7190310
Check out the internet tough guy.

>>7190448
I would personally prefer that you not. The ID shit is super fucking uncomfortable, but everyone on this board is still going to play the CAN even if you leave it out. I can honestly say I probably won't if it gets any more prevalent than it is.

>>7190684
Holy shit, nobody cares if you won't play it.

You have made your opinion perfectly clear, you don't want it. Other people have stated it's the main thing they're looking for, and the developers (of which there are multiple, with varying tastes) are going to implement it in some but not all routes.

I'm sorry the entire route can't be custom tailored to you, deal with it.

(The tone of this post assumes you're the person who has been posting previously. If you're someone else, the argument still applies but the tone is harsher than intended.)

>>7190691
the entire game*

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>>7190684
>not wanting your mind and personality to be altered to suit the body you're in

>>7190718
How about the scenario of having a character's mind and personality altered to mismatch with the body he or she is in? Now that's a concept I'd like to see explored.

>>7190733
So a person mind controlled to erroneously believe they are someone else?

>>7190733
As in John is in his body, and his memories are changed to make him believe he's Kyoko, while still being John in his body? Could be neat, would be hard to write and pan out depending on how fervently they believe they are who they aren't.

Talking like Carrie levels of "I'm gonna kill you so you can't have what's mine" stuff. Could be playful too, if it's written similar to the narcissistic Kyoko line on the magic route.

>>7190684
>The ID shit is super fucking uncomfortable

Jesus Christ, go back to Tumblr then. Total mind-replacing identity death isn't my thing either but I'm not going to bitch and moan if others like it, especially in a game with as many paths at ST.

>>7190740
Mentioning Carrie, I really wonder if they have anything yet planned for her. As far as I know the only scene where Carrie does something of meaning is when she interrupts the meeting of John and Connie.

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>>7190780
The only other times I remember her at all are the first two days, where she gets introduced, and one time on the Yui(?) route where you can either brush her off or complain about Mallory, to find her carrying rope to presumably murder him later if you brought him up.

I'm very interested in how/if they flesh out the yandere aspects of the game.

>>7190789
I can see either the yandere mind controlling you to feel the same obsessive love towards her she feels towards you, or much more likely, some kind of "trapped in my body" situation where you are forced to dote on her and unable to defy her.

>>7190691
Yeah no, different person. Good on you for covering your bases.

What I'm trying to get across is that alienating a portion of.your fanbase isn't a good idea. Let's say that you and I are both possession-fetishists, but one of us wants there to be massive futa-dicks involved. Now, this might sound crazy considering I browse /d/, but let's say I'm not into futa-dicks at all, and will actively avoid futa-dicks when possible. I don't think it's insane to assume that if there weren't futa-dicks involved, both of us would watch it, whereas if there were, only you would watch it.

I'm looking at it purely as a matter of appealing to the most people possible with as many routes as possible.

There's also the whole separate issue if "why bother writing a character if that character is just going to get over-written and not matter" but that's another thing entirely and there are cases where I can overlook that if the writing is good. My problem with a lot of the writing for the I'd stuff is that it isn't very good. Looking at the Sayaka route in particular it feels like everyone is acting very out of character. Katrina, Kiyoshi and Kyoko are supposed to be John's best friends and yet they don't notice anything is wrong with him after a thoroughly strange experience with the remote, even after "Sayaka" starts acting really peculiar as well. Visual Novels are long as shit, and this one has really well written characters that are consistent across most major routes, but that seems to go out the window in the Sayaka route.

I could looks past the Identity Death parts as just being not my thing if they just weren't so lazily written. I don't have any issues with the Mina route because that's actually being written in an interesting way. My worry is that Sayaka's route will set the bar for this stuff, not Mina's, especially considering Mina's route doesn't seem to be getting any progress made so far.

>>7187582

Hey im pretty new the system that this game is running on. Is there any way to stop the beeping sound whenever new dialogue happens? I can only see an option for general sound. Its pretty annoying.

>>7190793

kek nevermind, I didnt think turning off the voices option would effect the random beeping sound.

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>>7190789
Speaking of Mallory, I really appreciate the little insights and glimpses you get into the characters and their backstories (Holly, the alcoholic nurse, Connie, etc.) but it makes it a bit depressing to play through a route and have no resolution for that character.

Like, marrying Connie, a happy end despite some misgivings, and then thinking, "Yeah, but Holly still got sexually abused and Mallory's a free man."

Not that it's a problem with the game, but wew.

>>7190780
>inb4 we get a route that also fleshes her out and portrays her in a sympathetic or at least understandable light

Maybe I'm addicted to feels porn.

>>7190738
>>7190740
I was thinking along the lines of having only their personality altered, not their memories.

Mind control with the whole package of memories + personality is kinda boring to me because there's less internal conflict. Also, having two characters believe they are the same person sounds like it doesn't have much room for development because one of them has to be suppressed otherwise the story is just going to end up all the same with the two characters fighting. It seems like it would indeed be difficult to write a scenario more interesting than that with this premise.

What I'm interested in is seeing the struggle of a person with an altered personality in reconciling his current memories, relationships and activities with what his mind has been changed to. If the character is given new memories alongside a new personality, he will naturally be well-aware that he doesn't belong in that body and he is going to be more careful and avoid running into scenarios that would be mismatched with his personality. However, if he still has his original memories and only his personality is changed, then there's more potential for confusion, conflict and embarrassment.

What if John had a little bit of Sayaka put inside his brain? Then maybe he would find himself being jealous and wanting to compete against Sayaka for the queen bee status, but wait, how does that work if he's a guy? Or maybe he would suddenly find his friends irritating and lash out at them for one thing or another and begin to distance himself from them?

>>7190798
Makes you wonder if there's ever gonna be a True End route. I doubt it tho

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>Kiyoshi is a character nobody trusts with important matters and is considered a fool
>Kiyoshi's route is the only one where you actually get shit done and solve a major problem in your life


Wow really makes ya think

>>7190799
Slightly different, but in Press Switch, you can get switched with the queen bee of the school and given her exact personality.

There's a segment where the mc goes through her morning routine acting exactly like her (dressing to accentuate her body, flicking her hair a certain way) either without realizing or with flimsy justifications ("I guess I should put on a little bit of a show while I can").

Your friend confronts the MC and he's basically left to wonder if he's really still himself or just the girl made to think she was the MC.

That gave me a big old stiffy, I'll tell you what.

>>7190806
Better yet
>Trusting Kiyoshi to solve the Mallory problem results in the best possible outcome (murdered teacher comes back to life, Holly's trauma is erased, etc.)

The magic path where you take the spellbook to Kiyoshi's house and goof around with the body swap spell and love potion seems to imply (iirc) that Kiyoshi got the remote if you didn't go with him. I'm wondering if that'll get explored at all.

>>7190791
>Bodyswap Route where stuck in the Yandere character's body with her personality, forcing John onto himself
oh

>>7190819
Kiyoshi is pretty clearly sharper than he makes himself out to be. He always seems to catch on to what John is up to, he gives pretty sound advice when Kat and John start dating, and despite supposedly being a womanizer, every time when he could have his way with John (As Jane and Kat, off the top of my head), he's remarkably hesitant. On top of that he seems to fix everyone's bullshit pretty regularly.

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>>7190792
>especially considering Mina's route doesn't seem to be getting any progress made so far.

The writer specifically came to the last thread and said he's actively working on it, and in this very thread linked an update when discussing how writing and editing is done as a group. The best ID in the game is getting constant attention and the writer is kind enough to link information on it. I have no idea what you think you mean by no progress.

You can make that argument about literally every single fetish to make it exclusionary and that there should be less of it not to alienate anyone. I adamantly dislike cucking as a fetish, but if it was in the game I'd still play it, because the game isn't designed to be tailor-made to my likes and dislikes. As has been posted by other anons, the Connie route writing is absolutely top notch despite hitting absolutely none of their buttons, and it still remains my favorite route despite doing absolutely nothing for me. I don't even like most of the fetishes present in that route, and reading it was still great. You're not going to like everything in a game designed to appeal to a wide playerbase with multiple writers with varying tastes.

If someone is so prudish that they are alienated by a specific fetish that is both not in many routes (and no, hypnosis and mental alteration is not identity death) and won't play the game, then they can go play something else. This is entirely the wrong board to try to police the fetishes of another poster or try to exclude one due to making them "uncomfortable."

>>7190819
I though they said that no matter what he did, he couldn't get it to work?

>>7190833
Kiyoshi could always be lying, though it doesn't seem like something he'd do. John does it multiple times a day, depending on what choices you make.

The more that I think about it, Kiyoshi seems to be a much more morally upstanding person than most of the cast. Though I get that you wouldn't have a very interesting game if everyone was virtuous.

>>7190819

Why don't you take another look at that scene and say... the Yui path...

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>>7190822

>>7190831
I apologize that I can't perfectly remember every post from that thread, but I think you're missing the bulk of my point there and getting hung up on the specific fetish.

I don't care too much which fetish it is, I can overlook it if it's done well. This is a visual novel, unless it's a Thriller like Steins;Gate, they need well written characters. My problem with ID in general, and Sayaka's route in particular, is that it ignores this and is a total drag as a result. Mina's route gets a pass because it's exploring the ID in an interesting way, whereas in the Sayaka route, especially in the preview from the other thread, it's just a matter of "Oh, guess I'm a total bitch now."

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>>7190851
The entire midpoint was saying that your argument could be applied to literally any fetish, so no, I didn't miss your point. Everyone is uncomfortable with something. You're not going to be able to make everyone happy with every route because it's impossible. If someone can't handle fetish "X" that they heavily dislike being present to the point where they don't want to play the game, then they shouldn't play it.

Bad writing is the same way and is going to exist in every single fetish. There is "good" ID, and "bad" ID present, just like there's "good" gender-bending and "bad" gender-bending. It's not an ID exclusive problem and shouldn't be treated as such.

If you're going to make a statement about a lack of progress, you might want to not pull out your own intuition and feelings on the subject, when the correct answer is in the very thread you're posting.

>>7190851
Thing is that it's an erotic visual novel. Enjoyment can come from interesting characters, but a lot of people are reading this for penis excitation purposes. The two aren't mutually exclusive, but in the case of the Sayaka route, "Oh, I guess I'm a bitch now" is the hottest part.

The good news about a game like this is that there are lots of routes for a reason. If you need to see something more character-driven, then there's probably a route for you, just not the Sayaka route.

>>7190863
Jesus fucking Christ calm down. I was trying to explain what that other poster was thinking, I'm sorry if I've in some way offended you. Get off your damn high horse, I never said it was an ID issue, but ID is what we were talking about. I'm not trying to take away your precious porn, I'm trying to clarify why different people probably don't like it.

>>7190873
I'm perfectly calm. There are people in this thread calling things they don't like dogshit and saying that it needs to be excluded because it makes them uncomfortable. Everyone is well aware what he's thinking - he's attempting to police what is and isn't acceptable, and I, and others, explained why that's a ridiculous premise.

>>7190845
Isn't Yui science only? I'm kind of out of it, so I might just be missing something.

Unless you just mean the jedi mind trick moment when he tells her to chill out, but that's a spur of the moment type deal, not really a contemplated course of action.

>>7190876
Fuck off, you are clearly coming on like some over-aggressive nutcase. I'm done with your shit, you're trying to police just as much as he is, and you're absolutely no better than he is.

>>7190882
>everyone's fetish is okay!
>somehow the same as trying to ban things you don't like

Really?

>>7190888
>>Everyone's fetish is okay, and anyone who doesn't like that is clearly a fucking moron

Yeah, really.

>>7190891
You're on /d/, a board with a wide variety of fetishes and tastes, probably the widest on a popular image board. You're in a thread with a game being produced by a variety of writers, all who have different tastes, for a large playerbase who all have different tastes. If you don't think you're going to run into something you dislike in a sea that deep, or worse think you're entitled to not have to view it, I don't know what to tell you.

Yeah, saying that you're not allowed to have fetish X in the game because subset Y won't like it is pretty stupid. You're allowed to dislike it, you can even tell other people how much you dislike it. When you try to tell other people their fetish is shit and they shouldn't be allowed to have it in a game they enjoy, yeah, they're probably not going to appreciate it and are going to tell you why.

>>7190831
where does this waifu originate from

>>7190895
You're literally retarded and trying to start shit. Please fuck off. No one is seriously saying exclude something entirely, people are saying don't let the game become 100% focused on a single fetish.

>>7190897
There is literally no one here that made the claim the game should be entirely ID related, or that one fetish should have priority over everything. You're attacking a person that doesn't exist over a position they don't hold.

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>>7190813
The April route in PS, though largely unfinished, is probably one of my favorite bits of TG fiction ever but what I'm talking about is more than just slightly different. It's true that the April route has internal conflict and ambiguity in the character's mental state, but in that route's case, the character's (new) personality fits with his new body. The scenario I'm thinking of has a mismatching personality and body. What if Calvin was given April's personality but without the body? What would happen in his morning routine? Would he find his wardrobe disappointingly simple and find that buttoning up his shirt is strangely more difficult than usual? Would he get a glance of himself in the mirror and suddenly find himself just a little bit more curious of his male body? Would he spontaneously flick locks of hair that aren't there? Would he find himself walking a bit more daintily and getting curious looks from guys which he would misinterpret as looks of attraction, then later be embarrassed for having such alien thoughts?

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>>7190805
>Magic path
>Summon Circe
>Pretend to know what you're doing
>Wish to be a superhero
>Crisis On Infinite Earths-style story ensues as all possible Earths collide with John as the convergence point

Actually, now that I think about it, you could take that in a very Madoka Magica-esque path of all possibilities being separate timelines that fuel John's magical potential.

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>>7190806
I wanted to bring up Yui's route, but then I remembered all you really do is cover up Yui's fuckups by giving the teacher a new body. Maybe in 3.0 we'll find some other resolutions that have heft to them.

>>7190798
>Speaking of Mallory, I really appreciate the little insights and glimpses you get into the characters and their backstories (Holly, the alcoholic nurse, Connie, etc.) but it makes it a bit depressing to play through a route and have no resolution for that character.

That's something I wondered about. Is it normal for routes to have different reasons for the same event based on the route? Maybe in the magic route Holly is distant due to a crush on John, or John has suppressed memories about something that happened that Holly fully remembers, etc. If that's possible, then maybe it's not that depressing.

>Maybe I'm addicted to feels porn

You and me both anon

>>7190898
He never claimed that you were, but you've been acting like the other posters here want to keep ID out of the game entirely. None of the people you've been arguing with have claimed that at all, they've said the entire time they don't want too much of it.

Seriously, read between the lines a bit, you're making a complete ass out of yourself.

>>7190935

That did make me thing, does Mallory have the remote even in the Magic route? or does picking a route send you to two fundamentally different universes, where the core facts of each is entirely separate from each other?

What routes should I go down to become an older woman? MILF, CC, so on? Are there many? I remember long ago you could become your neighbor for a brief moment

>>7190931
Pls anon. I don't think my dick could take magical girl John becoming a goddess.

...What the fuck would we even call that? Johnokami?

>>7190974
The point is that certain posters are both being judgmental over a fetish they dislike and attempting to influence writers to remove things they dislike as a result. You don't see people that dislike femdom stating that the ending of Connie's route is turning people away, or that milfdom will cause them to leave the game. As stated before, that's certainly their prerogative to dislike things, as is the anons posting that they find that entire premise silly.

The ridiculous part continues to be that this is 100% a non-issue. Several writers have already commented that they don't plan on ID being the only fetish, and that they write what they enjoy, which isn't ID for most of them. This is on top of the relatively minimal amount that's already in the game outside of one particular route. It's not a problem that will ever occur due to who creates the content, and attempting to "force" a writer's hand by trying to speak for multiple people that they'll leave caused backlash.

I'll agree that there's been a fair amount of arguing past each other, and that most of the exception was taken when someone "threatened" not to play the game over a fetish he disliked and other people told them off. It's a non-issue that someone with a severe distaste wanted to make a problem.

>>7190988
There's currently two, one where you become the principal of the school, and one where you become Mrs. Winters(?), a friend of John's mom. Neither are finished as of now.

Both routes are science based. You get to the Abby (principal) route by getting the remote confisicated, approaching Mrs. Williams, not telling Kat about the remote, and then saying you needed to use the bathroom. The Winters route is by showing the remote to your mom, I don't remember all the specifics beyond minimal to no usage of the remote up to that point.

>>7190980
No idea, guess that depends on how the writers wanted to maintain the universe. I imagine the consistency argument would be made that everything stays the same universe
John with magic powers against Mallory with the remote might make for a neat route

>>7191004
That would be because nobody wanted anything removed from the game. They just dont want to see any more ID than there already seems to be. Thats a perfectly valid complaint to make if those posters don't like ID. No one is asking to remove the ID already present in the game, and you are the one being inflammatory and making a problem.

>>7191015
There's also the routes with your mother in both magic and science, but that's got maybe 10 lines of dialogue between them.

can everyone just agree there's going to be fetishes they're going to like and fetishes they're going to hate
the game has a bunch of them in there and outside of body swapping and maybe mind control isn't going to be dominated by any of them, and if you dislike the prevalence of one or the other then you should just play a different route, the existence of one doesn't taint the other
no one's fetishes are shit

>>7191045
It is a perfectly valid complaint. It's perfectly valid to leave, too. It's also perfectly valid to push back on the idea that fetish X shouldn't have any more content because they dislike it.

I don't even think you disagree with that point.

>>7190144
>Is the guy who wrote this bit ITT? Any chances of finishing it in .3?
For the writer of that bit, the chances are zero. I quit around late summer. For the chances of it being finished by anyone, it looks like CaptainCaption is working on the Mistaken route. It's possible he'll write for one of those choices as well. The "pretended" choice develops in a likable way, so, if not Caption, someone will probably take interest in it eventually.

>>7190792
>I could looks past the Identity Death parts as just being not my thing if they just weren't so lazily written. I don't have any issues with the Mina route because that's actually being written in an interesting way. My worry is that Sayaka's route will set the bar for this stuff, not Mina's, especially considering Mina's route doesn't seem to be getting any progress made so far.
I wrote most of Mina (all of Day 4 anyway, with its endless, mind-numbing text variations) and Sayaka (started while taking a break from Mina, in fact). At least some of the apparent problems you listed for the route were to be explained later. I believe it does explain (somewhat elliptically) how Sayaka fooled his friends, though I could be wrong since it's been a while.

As for Mina, her route reached its end with a different writer, but it needed a lot of work. When editing, I had to use the text more as a rough guide and just rewrite passages, in addition to adding new ones. It seems like no one else wanted to finish the tedious job after I left. Finishing Mina was a primary goal for 2.0, but, like the other goals set at the time, it wasn't accomplished.

So was I imagining things or did that guy (claus, iirc) who's the editor of the school newspaper, immediately come off as /pol/-san without him really even saying anything?

I read like two sentences and went, "Yep, that's /pol/"

>make literally any choice that interests me
>planned content coming soon we promise :^)
I fucking hate tfgamessite for enabling this garbage.

>>7191308
The only actual problems with that site are their shitty search functions, archaic forums, non-standardized hosting, lack of walkthroughs, lack of comments...

wew, man there's a lot wrong with that site now that I think about it.

>>7191063
Yo MM, it's PD, good to see you're around.

For the record, I'm the writer who posted that image of the progress. So folks, the Mina path he's talking about is one of four routes we outlined. As it is such a monumental task to patch it up, I (the Day 3 writer) branched off at a certain choice towards the end of Day 4. I can 100% promise you that this route, and hopefully another route that we outlined for Mina, will be done by the next release, but I can't make any promises for the vanilla Mina route.

>>7191145
I actually can't immediately remember where we have Claus, I have such delicious plans for him. Where'd you see him anyway?

>>7191344
Don't remember

It was a conversation between him and maria(?), she wanted to do more gossipmongering in the paper and he was telling her no, and then she insinuated that he had a thing with, I think, Yui.

I don't even remember all these names yet

>mallory backstory
this is totally unnecessary and a massive deviation in tone
literally killed my interest in the game

>>7190095
>being in IT
Actually I'm a physicist. Used to read a lot of sci-fi but a little too old for it. Never considered writing until I saw press-switch and this collaborative effort. It suddenly gave me a lot of diamond-tier ideas. You guys are doing such a good job.

>>7190083
Thanks, will do.

>>7190684
>STOP LIKING THINGS I DON'T LIKE
FUCK YOU

>>7190789
Can she murder Mallory? I'm thinking of what happened in the ghost mystery route.

>>7191370
>Used to read a lot of sci-fi but a little too old for it.

downboatd :DD

>>7191353
>>7191344
>>7191145

Yeah thats when you spy on Maria using magic.
I'm pretty sure he is supposed to come off that way though anon. He doesn't show up much there but play around in the Yui routes a bit and you get a bit of affirmation in an epilogue.

>>7191422
No idea as of right now, nothing with Carrie beyond her minor role in the Connie route is fleshed out. I imagine they could write it so she might in the future, given Mallory's ties to the main character's family I'm sure there's a chance he'll pop up in more than just the Jane route.

>>7190798
I'll be disappointed if Mallory somehow doesn't get involved in the Abby route at the very least as a side comment.

>>7191443
Well think about it, the majority of sci-fi writers don't know as much about science as I do, since I work with it everyday. They can't produce something as entertaining as what I can imagine.

That said, I really enjoyed this.

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Post ridiculous route resolutions that will never happen

>Kiyoshi gets the remote to work while John goes to D&D
>jealousy overtakes him at constantly being second best to John
>Kat and John get together to find Kiyoshi had a severe crush on her the entire time, sparking his rage
>culminates in John having to try and stop Kiyoshi from stealing his life and taking over the school with the remote

>have to wait until Kat's route is finished before we can see whether her or Connie is best girl

the anticipation is killing me

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Writer here. Can we all stop screaming at each other like spoiled toddlers? Some of you are acting more retarded than the worst of the worst people on DeviantArt. This is /d/; we’re all going to have different tastes.

Is there something in the game that doesn't appeal to you? Well, I hate to say it, but too bad. We're going to write what we want to write. There are a ton of other routes you can read, and you're always free to just fap to something that caters to your fetishes more.

If you’re absolutely dead-set on having something in the game cater to you, then how about instead of begging, you join the project and write what you want. It’s more reliable a method than shitposting in the threads and we could always use the extra help.

S A Y A K A

B E S T R O U T E

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>>7191610
>wanting to be civil

>>7191609
>Have to wait till the Circe route is even started to see if she'll be great or not.

>>7191610
>there are going to be things you don't like in a free erotic VN

whoa i can't handle this

I have a sneaking suspicion and Kiyoshi is best girl.

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>>7191687

>>7188111
The love slave ending was pretty funny to read, lost it when Connie said "Youre my type!" and when "you" are talking to the principal

>>7191609
Connie a shit, fight me

>>7191617
M I N A

B E S T R O U T E

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>>7191773

I will fuck you up.

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>>7188070
It's also really, really fucking dark. Unless you're into being degraded, it just kind of goes on forever until you're out of content with the mothers being okay with stealing their children's bodies seemingly forever.

Credit to ST, the writing is a lot better. It got hard to believe they were much beyond two dimensional "evil" antagonists after a while.

>>7191609
>>7191632
>>7191773
Gentlemen, please.

The answer is Yui.

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>>7191773
>there are people that don't like Connie's antics and general disregard of maturity outside of work

>>7191887
>no yui sex scenes (yet)
>no becoming yui endings (yet)

All this talk of best girl makes me wonder: will we get a harem ending?

I mean, Yui Rei Me is pretty nice, but why stop at two?

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>>7191887
Drunk affectionate Yui is best Yui

>>7191855
I think PS did the whole identity death thing better because it kept things ambiguous. April and Eliza routes > Sayaka and Phila/Mina routes.

>>7191894
Isn't PS dead though?

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>>7191887
I second this.

>>7187582
Is this game good if you're a tranny and want some self insert? I guess a better question is if the MC is still very much male, just in someone else's body. I want the MC to want/enjoy being a girl.

>>7191931
The MC is often brainwashed into enjoying being a girl, if that's your thing. Almost always he becomes discontent at some point.

>>7191933
Becomes discontent and then is brainwashed or otherwise goes through some sort of change where he finds the change no longer negative. (related to routes that end with MC as a girl)

>>7191555
>read hugo award novel
>author has PhD in astronomy
>describes space as cold
>main plot point in one of the books is a protagonist's death because of vacuum exposure freezing their lungs

>read other sci-fi
>probably 90% get it this wrong
>continue to be constantly disappointed by humanity

>>7191933
>Almost always he becomes discontent at some point
Hm. Not quite what I'm after. Seems super neat if that's what you're into though. I should probably give it a shot anyways just to see though.

>>7191854
For anyone who wants to write a southern bell, I found this to be incredibly useful:

http://www.alphadictionary.com/articles/southernese.html

Combine it with listening to someone with the accent for a bit.

Prospective writer here (PM'ed kmalloc about joining but haven't heard anything yet), and I wanted to field people's reactions to a route idea I have.

I'm thinking about doing one that develops John's character beyond "boring self-insert MC" and focuses on the temptations and moral issues that come with being able to freely manipulate other people.

We already know John is sort of a loser. Never had a girlfriend etc. etc. Probably too scared to approach girls in a romantic context. So with the remote/spellbook in hand, he has the option to get any girl he wants without having to take any sort of risk. Based on the choices the reader makes, he can either go on a journey of self-discovery that ends with him developing some self-confidence and letting go of the macguffin, or going off the deep end and turning every girl in the school into his love-slave.

Does that sound good to you guys, or do you just not really give a shit about John?

>>7191987
I don't have much to say besides that I'd really like this. Having him fleshed out as something other than being just sort of generic would be nice and something I hoped would get attention eventually.

>>7191987

It doesn't sound like you've got a good read on John as it is. He doesn't seem too scared to approach girls, he just seems oblivious and a little innocent. He hardly seems like a loser, as there are few people who seem to dislike him, and most of that hate seems focused on who he surrounds himself with.

Regardless, I think it'd be a little hard to do. You're asking people to make decisions for John when they were previously making decisions for themselves. It'd be an odd contrast to the other paths, but maybe you could make it work.

>>7191987
Doesn't sound like something I can beat off to.

Alright, I gave this a few hours after trying Press Switch a few months back and I'm liking it so far, only have some criticisms for the devs if they're still reading the thread:

#1. The writing is very same-ish, I don't know if you guys get together to write or not but it certainly has a flavor of writing by committee, perfect example of this is every time John swaps bodies with a girl he seems to always look down at "his" chest, always complains about bra straps/underwear, always complains about hips/heels messing up the way he walks, etc. and while I do realize you're trying to get across the fact that you're in someone else's body and might not know how to use it as masterfully as the person who owned for all their lives it doesn't make sense to repeat it every route. I realize this is "A labor of love" project and as such you have to cut some corners but the writing and the storytelling are the parts that will make this game your own, don't let it get stale.

#2. The huge cast worries me. As is, there's enough girls in the game to fill out 3-4 different other VNs/hentai games (Probably because they're the casts of 3-4 others VNs/hentai games) and I want some depth with my mindfuckery fetish, which gets harder to do with more and more cast members and more and more writers suffering burnout cause they're trying to power through.

#3. There's some choices that are clearly meant to just be bad ends, just give us a fade to black like most endings instead of a "Route in progress" message, if you wanna expand on them later you can. The one example of this is at the beginning of Connie's route, where you choose to swap into your body immediately after school ends instead of sticking it out until the next day, either that will end up as a bad end or it'll simply be a fake choice that will get you on Connie's route once again.

>>7191987
I agree with >>7191997 it really seems you're confusing John with some other mind control protag. For one thing I don't think I've seen him bemoaning his lack of a girlfriend or pulling the /r9k/ act. If anything he seems to be pretty happy with his life, creepy yandere stalker included.

>>7191887
Now this is an opinion I can get behind.

>>7191900
Nobody really knows. Author vanished for a year, started posting updates via signature then started posting again. All we have as "proof" it's being worked on is some screenshots of the game and some coding.

>>7192005
>#1
That's a common theme of TG writing. It's kind of inherit in the content.

>#2
I agree actually. I wasn't around for ST's creation, but we definitely have an abundance of characters and some of them are redundant.

>#3
Those are designed to hook new writers on the project.

>>7191997
>>7192030
You're right that there's no real indication of John being insecure or unhappy, but part of making a character more interesting is giving him flaws and desires, neither of which John has right now. I'm not thinking about drastically changing his character (and certainly not trying to make him an /r9k/ sperglord), but emphasizing his lack of a history with girls seemed like the best starting point for his characterization considering the story.

That said, it might be a bad idea for me to try it, since this an erotic VN and keeping the MC bland makes it easier to self-insert and focus on the fetishes.

>>7192149
"Oblivious harem protagonist" is a pretty common trope, that as you mentioned makes it easier to insert as well as play humorous situations that wouldn't happen if the protag functioned "normally" around women.

I get where you're coming from, and I imagine you'd have to talk to the current writers about it, but a serious divergence in personality that only comes up in one route might seem incongruent with the rest of the VN.

>>7191344
Yeah, I never died or anything. I didn't originally intend to respond, but I thought both comments were somewhat funny (from my perspective).

>>7192005
>The writing is very same-ish
This was mainly the fault of the narrator. There were a few complaints about John's narration being off in 1.0, actually, when the narrative writing did become slightly different (e.g. someone complained about him using the word "Kafkaesque"). Unfortunately, John is rather bland as a character (for his personality in his character background, we had "sack of potatoes" for ages), and no writer can fix that.

Most of the 2.0 routes were single-writer routes anyway. There was no writing committee per se while I was there, and even editorial control tended to be weaker in 2.0.

>it doesn't make sense to repeat it every route
It does in the sense that the character would tend to focus on certain aspects of the TF consistently, but, for the sake of readers, I agree it should have been done differently.

Generally, though, TF descriptions often repeat themselves. When there are dozens of them in a single work, the repetitiveness just becomes much more noticeable than usual.

>>7192005
>there's enough girls in the game to fill out 3-4 different other VNs/hentai games

>>7192082
>I wasn't around for ST's creation, but we definitely have an abundance of characters and some of them are redundant.

I third the motion, this is the only game I know of where it could be possible to have 4 teacher routes outside of something where the entire cast is teachers, like Mesu Kyoushi

Something that caught my attention is that Katrina seems really hurt if you don't masturbate in your body, as if that's an insult/a show you don't feel the same way about her.

While it's awkward, I think there should definitely be an option for John to explain that he didn't because he respected her/liked her enough. It'd be kind of annoying if you try to play a pure, upright John only to be railroaded into a total dullard.

>>7192190
*her body, when you switch

>>7192190
>While it's awkward, I think there should definitely be an option for John to explain that he didn't because he respected her/liked her enough.

I'm just going to point out that's cutting close to super beta level cringy fedora tipping tier.
Which John kind of flirts with already t b h

>>7192196
>I'm just going to point out that's cutting close to super beta level cringy fedora tipping tier.

Depends on how you phrase it. If you're in someone else's body, is masturbating taking advantage? I wouldn't say rape, but you are fucking with their body with tenuous consent. That could be a huge betrayal of trust.

>>7192190
Nah, just let it be.

Regular, run-off-the-mill human communication in real life is packed all the way to the top with stuff like the situation you just described, misunderstandings based on what YOU thought was the right choice at the time just for it to not be.

If anything, it makes John a bit more human.

>>7192205
>Depends on how you phrase it.
Yeah, you're right

>>7192209
>If anything, it makes John a bit more human.
But I want robotgirljohn

>>7192149
>but emphasizing his lack of a history with girls seemed like the best starting point for his characterization considering the story.
Is it really though?
I mean it seems like every other route involves some romance, and he apparently has two female friends who would be happy to date him if he just asked, Katrina and sick shrine girl. It seems a bit strange to introduce girl issues at this stage.

I think that John's not a loser so much as he's just kinda generic, probably by design. He has that rant thing at the end of day 4 if you don't use the device about how he's actually in a good place as justification in being cautious about losing his life.
It's a little unfortunate and if you join you could probably add some flavour needed to him, but without assigning flaws that don't exist in the other 200k words of the game.

>>7192259
>he's just kinda generic, probably by design

This. It's a VN where people are frequently going to self insert as the protagonist. He's got decent charm to him, and as mentioned, his life is pretty good. He's just oblivious to women, and shrine girl even mentions it during the Connie route.

I know you said the goal isn't to make him out to be a sperglord, but for whatever my two cents are worth, I think on this point in particular he's fine the way he is.

I wish there was more Jane, I liked the part where it was said that Kat kind of looks down on Jane for being a girly girl. I want to see more on the relationship between the tomboy Kat and the very feminine Jane and how they are friends despite their different intrests

I hope the Mom, Sexy Science Teacher, Stalker Girl, Holly, and [spoiler]that little girl your mom babysits[/spoiler] routes get more stuff.

>>7192453
you sick fuck

>>7192259
Best starting point in that it's the closest thing he already has to a flaw, so it's the best characterization I could give him without it seeming totally out of left field. And since this is a story about getting poon (one way or another), focusing on his lack of experience and the potential issues surrounding it provides a lot of opportunities for character growth.

I get what you guys are saying about the biggest issue being the inconsistency with other routes. It's sort of a shame though, because being consistent basically means I can't do anything interesting with John at risk of it not matching up with another route. I guess that's just the way it goes though. I can be creative some other way.

>>7192453
They all have stuff in the works (except the stalker) according to the git

>>7192475
I mean, it's possible that you could have some kind of mind alteration that amplifies his insecurities in some way. It would be a bit difficult to justify, but if the end product is good, than I think it would work.

>>7192482
>it's possible that you could have some kind of mind alteration that amplifies his insecurities in some way.

If that's the way you're thinking then the obvious scenario is sharing memories with his friends also transferred some insecurities and he didn't get them all out. Now they're just festering inside John and he doesn't realize what it is because it's not *memories* per se, but the feeling itself.

Kiyoshi being the obvious target here, him acting the way he does but you could also do it out of another character, like Cornelia

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How do I get to this scene?

I know it's Connie but no idea how to get here.

>>7192539
Try to use Remote on Yui, who then confiscates it.
Talk to Connie about device.
Bodyswap with Connie.
Then just follow down the route.

>>7191939
astronomy isn't real STEM

>>7192582
You're thinking of astrology

>>7192497
That's a really cool idea, although it does sort of defeat the purpose of developing John's character if the feelings come from someone else.

I'm definitely writing that one down, but thinking about it if I want to develop a character the way I've been talking about doing, Kiyoshi is the obvious best candidate anyway. Corny would also be interesting.

>>7191835

S A Y A K A
T H E
B E S T

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>>7191855

I thought it was gonna be fun shit like

>ara ara, who knew mother had such a lusty body~
>ohoho I'm starting to enjoy being in control of things
>look at all this jewelry and stuff I suddenly enjoy wearing
>I'm gonna order the maid to eat me out

what I got
>EVERYTHING IS TERRIBLE
>END MY TORMENT
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa

>>7192720
I want this in any form, mother or otherwise. Surprisingly hard to find.

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>>7192739
>difficult to find

Probably due to how it makes people who aren't into that kind of thing feel. I'm totally up for it existing because I know someone gets off to it, but holy shit was it hard to read through. Felt like fear porn.

>>7192747

I think they meant non horrifying degredation bodyswapping with a milf

>>7192792
>voluntary mommy mind shenanigans

my DICK

>>7192794
>>7192739

>a bodyswap VN where you and your glamorous milf mother get switched
>you start feeling compelled to wear her jewelry and tight dresses
>suddenly can't walk in flat shoes, only heels
>start subconsciously using her mannerisms
>start straight up talking and thinking like her
>wind up getting fucked in her body

I'd play it

>>7192828
>tfw the only visual content I know like this is by fucking SapphireFox

kill me

>>7192828
Even the concept is hot as fuck

>>>7192852
I'd rather jerk it to literally anything else

Which routes have identity death / mind control?

>>7192860
Mina route has the most, Sayaka isn't really fleshed out, but has a bit as well. Jane the Slut isn't really identity death, but has some bretty gud mind control stuff.

>>7192860
How do you get Mina route? Already finished Sayaka

>>7192865
Magic route, choose to possess the twins, put a puppet in your body

>>7189126
Isn't the game on fucking github anyway

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>>7191887

>No sex scenes
>Still best girl by viture of being likable and sympathetic as fuck

my man.

>>7192539
Finger-fuck yourself before you go to sleep as Connie.

So i read this body swap story where some dude goes into a cave and get swapped into some immortal chick chained to a rock and just leaves him there? It's all i can remember, if someone knows the source id be grateful.

>>7192852
>>7192854

>Sapphirefox

I hear this name get thrown around occasionally, usually with contempt,

who are they?

>>7193224
Think about it for longer than a second.

I'll give you a clue: it's the name of a game, and the keyword in the name is FOX

>>7193236


oh,

they're a furry huh

>>7192983
http://www.tgstorytime.com/viewstory.php?sid=3297

>>7193277
>http://www.tgstorytime.com/viewstory.php?sid=3297

Wow you rock i never got to finished reading this, thanks alot!

>>7193417
>You rock

Oh gad was that on purpose

>>7191939
>astronomy
Not real physics desu

>>7191987
Doesn't sound like something that I can fap to

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>>7193224

>look them up
>that animation

ew

>>7192582
>>7193487

Is there a difference between astronomy and astrophysics?

Because the people who do things like detect gravitation waves from fusing black holes sure seem like they're doing "real science/physics".

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>tfw hit bump limit two threads in a row

feels bretty gud desu

>>7193551
This isn't a perfectly accurate definition, but the layman's version is generally that astronomers look at the sky and try to figure out where shit is and classify it, and astrophysicists try and figure out what that shit in the sky is actually DOING.

Astronomy is one of those weird fields of study where what they do straddles the line between a science and a technical skill.

>>7192983
>>7193277
That was pretty gud. I think the author kind of glosses over the trauma and the acceptance of the switch, and the MC just jumps into a relationship at the drop of a hot.

Like, if a hot half wanted in my pants I wouldn't exactly say no, but there's kind of no buildup, and so there's no payoff when they get all lovey dovey.

I am kind of curious about immortality and invulnerability kind of turning our main character into something of a detached sociopath.

Coild someone illuminate me on how to get to the April Route in Press-Switch?

I feel as if i've exhausted all the branches I can find.

>>7193801
It's not that fleshed out, but
>show Mika the remote
>agree to a date when she's in April's body
>try to play it off as a joke

Unless there's something I've missed, that's about it

>>7193803
Ah, I thought it was one of the /more/ fleshed out ones. I guess i'm getting to the end of this one's content, I'll go back to Student Transfer after it, then.

>>7191344
Ok but what about the kat one?

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>jack does all that damage in the kiyoshi route
>that yandere girl just goes off to kill him in some random route

>>7194505
Very common in visual novels. Like how in fate/stay night rider is the first main antagonist of the fate route but dies quickly and off screen in UBW.

>>7194505
To be fair, doesn't matter how good your remote skills are, a surprise attack is going to get you no matter what. Plus, if doesn't always carry the remote, then he can easily be fucked by a total left field surprise like a psychotic yandere neighbor girl to the guy you pick on who is also completely oblivious of your powers and history.

>>7193930
(Alternatively suggestions for VNs with similar paths?)

>>7191987
Don't take this as an insult, I think you're inserting yourself into John.

Just because John hasn't had a girlfriend yet, doesn't mean he's a loser. Lot's of girls are after him.

>>7191987
While other people have already gotten into why this doesn't quite match john's existing characteristics, I think a corruption route would still have potential.

It would start off with something like "This is just temporary, there's no negative consequences, just give it a try" and progress slowly but surely from there. People have a remarkable ability to persuade themselves that what they want is ok to do. The key would just be to make it gradual and believable enough that it doesn't look like "John got magic and became an asshole", but rather a believable and almost sympathetic fall.

I'd say anything to get more mind control in the game though, so take that with a grain of salt.

It's lovely to see that the devs for Student Transfer hang out here.

I like your stuff, guys.

(Also add more orgasm denial stuff. Mind control should be able to do that, right?)

I was also hoping for a 'dark john' where he basically fucks up people's lives for his own benefit and/or amusement.

all this bodyswaping and there isn't a single complete route where you're stuck in some girl's body?

>>7194941
Well, there's at least one where you're stuck in a genderbent form, and one where you choose to remain in said genderbent form.

Think it's worth making a third thread?

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>>7194505
H I D D E N B O S S

well, there goes nothing. Just sent my application to be a part of the team. If I get to write something, I have some good ideas for the Natsumi and Zoey routes (there are simply not enough cute and silly antics around, and kids are always good for that kinda jazz) as well as some Setsuna (there's some serious storytelling to be done there, i can feel it), but I'm kinda hoping to lend a hand on the behind-the-scenes business, after all there's always going to be demand for writing but maybe not so much for coding. Here's hoping for the best!

>>7194941
get your body back or die trying route!
>>7194505
yandere simulator route!
>>7192792
become a milf inside and outside route!
>>7192190
set up shop for the mra route!
>>7191987
john becomes mallory jr. route!
>>7190931
doctor strange meets qyubey route!
>>7190822
MY LITERAL FUCKIN DICK IS EXPLODING ROUTE
>>7190798
Mallory can get a better ending than "oh shit i better turn myself in" or "I get dispatched like a little girl BY a little girl" route!
>>7190525
death note route!
>>7189672
watashi ga motete dousunda route!

holy SHIT anons there is so much to write and right now is the best time to write it so JOIN and BUILD THE LEWDS OF TOMORROW!

>>7195215
We're still posting, so sure.