Slavery thread

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Here's a collection of some of the old stories. This may be a bit out-of-date and incomplete, unfortunately.

>Griz and Scarlet:
Part 1 (>>6098130) http://pastebin.com/T4DEpy18
Part 2 (>>6109060) http://pastebin.com/PCTKSeih
Part 3 (>>6101896) http://pastebin.com/smmDTew0

>Enslaved Goddesses (Pharaza’s stuff) (from
>>6128148):
A Day In The Life (rehosted) (>>6137320) http://pastebin.com/Zxq6jVch
The perks of property (>>6140479) http://pastebin.com/DYMfw3vq
Fertility: A practical study (>>6172113) http://pastebin.com/n9rXe76J

>A1386G/Marie-verse:
>Main A1386G Series:
Pt 1: http://pastebin.com/Kmj7MVcW
Pt 2: http://pastebin.com/cjQXnstC
Pt 3: http://pastebin.com/YFdxsQCY
Pt 4: http://pastebin.com/EhxRfdWf
Pt 5: http://pastebin.com/bWHGCwPv
>Side Materials and Flash Forwards for A1386G:
An encounter with A1386E: http://pastebin.com/mjRLDUcn
A1386G Side Story #1 Jimmy makes a Special Friend: http://pastebin.com/eA1iXSXp
A1386G Side Story #2 Katerina’s First Day: http://pastebin.com/uef0GjY1

Kaylee's New Life. Medieval/fantasy setting. M/f, F/f.
1 - http://pastebin.com/GN2TyrqA
2 - http://pastebin.com/wB1bd5R0
3 - http://pastebin.com/AFx1AXha
4 - http://pastebin.com/1ZZD6q4j
5 - http://pastebin.com/x2Zrjmsi
6 - http://pastebin.com/Dij0dmPj
7 - http://pastebin.com/tGgPqCVz
8 - http://pastebin.com/bYEve6zA

Unexpected inheritance. Modern setting. F/f.
Chapter 1 - http://pastebin.com/LAtPyncM
Chapter 2 - http://pastebin.com/F6SnrH3d

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The most recent prompt:

1. What's your gender?
2. Do you want to be a slave or an owner?
3. What gender would you want your slave(s)/owner to be?
4. Harem or individual slave?
5. What about this fetish appeals to you?

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The traditional four questions for people posting fantasy worlds in the thread:

>What is the world like?
Is it our world with legal slavery suddenly introduced somehow? Is it a fantasy world? Is it sometime in the future?

>Who are the slaves?
Is slavery limited to one gender or one race/species? If so, are all people of that type automatically slaves? Is it possible for a free person become enslaved, or for a slave be freed?

>Who are the masters/mistresses?
Are slaves common/cheap enough for the average free person to own one? Do the rich and powerful keep large harems as a status symbol?

>What role do you like to imagine yourself in?
Would you be a slave or an owner? Would you own/be part of a harem? How would you treat your slave(s)/be treated by your owner?

And for less world-buildy fantasies:
>If you got the slave of your dreams today what would you do with them?
and
>If you were given to your ideal owner, what would you want them to do with you?
Both of these are pretty self-explanatory.

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And a new prompt of my own invention (I posted something similar on /aco/ a little while ago) with a little bit more structure to it. A lot of it is just my own fantasy, though, so I apologize if I'm overbearing in this regard.

You have been selected to be an early member of a space colonization effort. You choose to accept. You will be put into cryogenic sleep for the duration of the journey, which will likely take thousands of years during which you will not age. However, during the transit, your consciousness will be transported to a full-dive VR simulation.

This simulation looks and feels completely real. You are given a few scenarios to play around with. The primary one that we care about here, since we're in this thread, is a fantasy-based lewd scenario. It is a fantasy world with magic and monsters and stuff. Think Skyrim with Sexlab mods installed.

There are two character states: Free mode and slave mode. These come into play in-game. You can maintain multiple "files", though again with some limitations ("saving" is Dark Souls style - you have no backups and can only resume from the latest save point per character). There is an option to play without sexual content enabled, but we don't care about that.

AIs populate the world - you are not connected to other "players". They behave convincingly.

When you first start a character, you are given several options. I'll get to that in a bit.

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>>6877764
When you start the game, you get the option to create your character, which has all the options you would expect. The game simulates the sensation of having the body you chose.

You also get to pick certain options about the world, which I will get to. You can also turn off player enslavement, meaning you don't have to worry about being enslaved yourself if that's not your thing. You can start free but leave the option to be enslaved when defeated in combat. You can even start as a slave.

In free mode, you can log out and switch characters freely. However, in slave mode, certain game features are disabled:
-"Waiting" to skip time is disabled. You must participate in the world in real time.
-You cannot log out. There is an exception.
-All world options are locked. This means that whatever you chose earlier is what you are stuck with.

And naturally, the master is fully simulated, and he will use you as he pleases in accordance with world options.

Now, not being able to log out sounds scary, but there is a safety - you can emergency abort. This, naturally, has a cost (that you are made aware of being turning on player enslavement) - it deletes that character permanently. You lose everything from that character that you earned.

So my prompt is: How would you set up this simulation?

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>>6877768
Some examples of things that the world options include:
>Who can be enslaved?
Are slaves male-only? Female-only? Can both genders be enslaved? Also, can only a specific gender be masters? Also, which races can be enslaved?
>What kinds of clothing do people wear?
You can specific specific types of clothing by gender and by status. For example, you can have all men dress skimpily, or you can specify certain outfits to be used for slaves that are different from those of freepersons.
>How are slaves used?
Are they made to participate in physical labor? Sexual use? Both?
>How are slaves treated?
Are they kept bound a certain way? Are specific devices used? Are specific forms of sex preferred for slaves? Are specific forms of sex not used for slaves?
>How is escape handled?
Are you free once you manage to get away? Or is there a bounty system, such that when escaped bounty hunters will chase you down to deliver you back to your rightful state?
And of course, whatever else you imagine.

Options that affect slaves will affect both players and NPCs.

So my questions for you:
>How do you build your character?
>What options do you pick for the world? Be creative!

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>>6877770
Also, for some stuff from the master's perspective:
>How many slaves can you own?
>How severely can you damage them and how can you use them?

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>>6877770
I'll go ahead and go first myself.

I play as a medium-height, medium-bust dark-skinned human female with short dark hair. I start free but player enslavement is on. I start as a warrior class with some minor heal spells.

Only females can be enslaved, though not all females are slaves. All races can be enslaved but the setting includes more humans whether slave or free. Monster rape is off. Slavery occurs upon defeat by human enemies.

Everyone wears skimpy gear and NPCs are biased towards athletic physique. You won't find a man or woman who isn't showing off their abs. My starting armor looks like this (http://imgur.com/a/0Zzdy - ignore the shitty source material) and is about par for the course.

Slaves are used for physical labor and sex, and can also be forced to participate in combat as part of the master's party, with all rewards going to the master who may distribute rewards. Player enslavement always includes sexual use.

Vaginal sex is not used for slaves. Slaves are made to perform fellatio and anal only, with vaginal being only for freewomen.

Chastity devices are used on slaves at a very high rate. They can't be circumvented - a character that wears one cannot stimulate their genitals. The chastity belts expose the anus. Masturbation is impossible. They are often used continuously. It's pretty obvious where I'm going with this - slaves are kept sexually frustrated and are typically granted less sexual stimulation.

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>>6877819
Otherwise, bondage is commonly used. Slaves are unable to damage or destroy bondage equipment or devices. Collars are used on slaves and are incorporated into the bounty system.

Common bondage includes hands shackled behind back and bitgags. These two devices along with chastity belts see high rates of use and are almost a default - slaves are kept in them unless their masters require the use of the body parts they keep in check.

The bounty system applies - Once a slave, the master has a legal right of ownership that may be transferred. If you are ever enslaved and escape, bounty hunters are within their rights to deliver you to your former master.

My own playthrough:
I'd level up pretty far before being defeated by a human lord. He takes me back to his castle by stripping me, shackling my hands behind my back, and leashing me to his horse, forced to follow behind him on foot while trying not to stumble since I don't have the use of my hands anymore.

Once I get there I am put in a chastity belt and made one of his maids. I am unable to use any of my powers or abilities as my collar has the ability to require me to request permission from my master before using them - this applies even if I escape, so I am effectively deleveled. My arousal level is manipulated so I'm always horny but my chastity belt prevents masturbation and anal and blowjobs are harder to cum from.

>>6877701
>What is the world like?
A future Earth in which magic has returned. Only men have magic and there are hundreds of women to each man. The return of magic and many of the beasts and problems associated with it caused the collapse of modern society. Much of modern technology was lost, though the men can produce magic items that emulate many of technologies benefits. They mostly keep this stuff for themselves, or trade it with others for things they personally value. The women lack magic and aren't as technologically inclined as men and so, due to the restricted nature of society, technological invention is very limited. Due to the sex ratio, the magic items men use for convenience are beyond the reach of nearly every woman.

>Who are the slaves?
All women are considered property of a man. Society is roughly feudal at this level, with women being the serfs and men being the lords. Most of them perform menial labour on his lands and serve his whims. They have a late nineteenth to very early twentieth century standard of living. Although their masters are not outright cruel, they typically regard women as livestock to be bought and used as convenient. This view leads to women being worked hard, treated harshly and having very few freedoms or possessions. Each woman is identified by an unremoveable magic tattoo that can be used to locate her.

>Who are the masters/mistresses?
Men posses powerful magic, so despite being outnumbered hundreds to one, they hold absolute power in society. Their standard of living is comparable to the modern day. Society at this level is similar to a series of businesses dealing with each other. Each man owns a number of women who perform basic labour, such as farming and simple manufacturing. He then trades the goods they produce with other men.

>What role do you like to imagine yourself in?
Master, because magic and slavegirls. I imagine I'd be a harsh and demanding master, except for a few chosen favourites.

>>6877821
Great scenario, although I guess I would prefer if the spaceship inhabitants could virtually play with each other if they prefer to do so. I mean, being a once proud warrior maid turned into a permanently horny, denied anal/blowjob-only sextoy sounds awesome, but I'd prefer to be the slave of a fellow player who enjoys owning and teasing me instead of a NPC.

Could be a bit awkward once our spaceship reaches its destination and we all get dehibernated...

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>>6878037
I like the general direction you're going with.

What do you think of the idea of women being magic batteries in this society? They would essentially be high-capacity storage cells for magical energy in a way that wouldn't be true for men. However, they wouldn't be able to use the magic themselves and they wouldn't be able to transfer magic or interact with it themselves - they're literally just energy tanks.

If we were to add that feature to your scenario, the number of slaves a man owns would become both a status symbol and an actual advantage over other men, as owning more slaves means you have the ability to work with more magical energy at once.

I also like the idea of serving as such a battery to place a burden upon the woman. The process of infusing a woman would be painful, as would the process of that magical energy being drawn out. Also, being overloaded with magical energy would cause pain due to the volatility of the energy. Perhaps being overloaded could be a sort of punishment - though a cruel master might simply keep his slaves overloaded for convenience and leave them to suffer that pain.

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>>6878202
The reason why I wrote it that way was that ultimately, you can't control the actions of other people. I like to approach things from the slave perspective.

This is an advanced AI that can replicate human behavior convincingly. If you want to believe it's human, it certainly looks like it. The big advantage to setting it up this way is that if you want to be the slave, you can specify how you want the AI masters to act. I would be able to set it up so that there's a guarantee that I will be treated a certain way and not have to rely on another player's fetishes, and could land in the scenario I dream of in a way that appears natural.

If you were to actually include multiplayer, then you have to have a single set of world rules. You can just anonymize the players to prevent awkwardness, but if your fetishes don't match those of others you might not get exactly what you want. Maybe some people want an all-male slave world while others want all-women. Most players probably won't want the hardcore anal-only setting I imagine.

That said, I think the idea of a multiplayer version of the setting with a standardized ruleset isn't bad.

>>6878996

Maybe women collect ambient magic at the same rate as men, but are unable to manifest it, so it builds up instead. Allowing it to build up too much becomes physically painful, as does her master discharging it too quickly. Men can't store magic, only use background stuff, so they use women as batteries for really heavy spellcasting. If a girl misbehaves, she gets used as a capacitor, which leaves her feeling like she just sprinted an entire marathon, or not be allowed to discharge it. It also means that women can't live away from a man, as they need someone to deal with the magic they build up.

>>6877701

I don't really have a fictional, imaginery fetish-fuel world for slavery per say as much as for pet-play or owning pets.

Not sure if it fits within the limits of the thread's topic...?

>>6877764
>>6877768
Why the VR premise? I'd rather imagine my spaceship crashes or I went into another dimension and get enslaved.

A prompt like that and I'd write a setting I'd long to roleplay in.

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>>6881409
The reason is because it is a rational excuse to let you control the details of the setting, even from a slave perspective. If you are warped to a fantasy world it doesn't make sense that you get to decide what that world looks like.

I don't see any reason why you have to stick to the confines of someone else's prompt, though. Feel free to come up with your own fantasy scenario. I would say though that >>6877701 might be a better-suited prompt for you if you must have one.

>>6879224
>>6878996
>>6878037
this is awful in an interesting way. There are plenty of Male domination scenarios but this, this takes ye old male swordsman female sorcererss and turns it on its head. Women are now the disposable front liners, and not in the kinky sexy queens blade way but in the docile submission to our local lord way.

I think the idea that magic is beyond me because of my sex would make it easy to enslave me as well, I'd have virtually no self esteem at that point. Humanities secret wishes and holy grail and basically all of our fantasies are attainable, but they are not for me, never for a woman. More than any other scenario I'd rate this specific female enslavement scenario as the most harsh.

Ironically though, while serfdom was awful, one could argue that wage slavery is worse, since serfs could and did have way more time off even if they where poorer and had to work hard with their bodies.

The main questions I have is what becomes of the cities? Cities where traditionally exempt from the nobility/serf issue. land usage was so small there, so there wasn't really a point in tying a slave to a specific piece of land to work it. furthermore with so few men, to run a city, you'd need loads of women, buying and trading goods and otherwise behaving like a middle class. this goes against the serfdom and cruel task master. The final confounding factor is that the men are so rich, so the benefits of a city don't really apply to them, they aren;t just above women, theyre the elite of society, where even the poorest is hyper wealthy due to the potential to craft even the simplest of magic items. they have the best goods, the best produce, and the best transportation. tens of cooks are at their beck and call, and if they want a specific cooking style, it wont be hard to sell a girl and buy one for a new style of meal.

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>>6878037
How do you imagine cities fitting into your world? do they stop existing for the most part? Are there eccentric adventurer men and women who scour over the broken remains of modernity for artifacts, knowledge, and secrets? are cities the only place where women are "free"? if theyre true slaves, how does city life look like? Do men ever live there? what are the incentives for a man to want to live in a city?

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>>6881409
I one did such a story/rp where the resulting society from colonizing another world turned into a lesbian slave society. It was partially based off a story where women where enslaved with a similar premise, which I found the idea of someone accidentally or unknowingly getting dragged into this society by the time they arrive. Unfortunately, that story was fucking awful, and not just because of the mdom thing. It's called her new world by leviticus and I don't suggest you read it if you where hoping for a good ending or good storytelling, or even good antagonists, I'd spoiler, but... (theyre my biggest beef, the men are all spineless faggots, where even the willing devotion of their most trusted women is not enough to stay fears of "rebellion". they even have the power of death over their women any time they like curtesy of electrocution and they still manage to; use gene therapy to make them more compliant at the cost of their intelligence, strip them from their jobs that they do that don't envolve direct labor or domestic pursuits despite all of them being devoted slave experts you'd expect on this kind of mission. They keep them absolutely silent in public with gag collars even and they still don't trust them. Ironically this wasn't and ending bad enough for the story though. I wont share it, it's too dumb for words. If you want to torture yourself enough to get to it, just remember their solution to only having about 300 in crew to realize why everything is now an unsalvagable mess at the end of that story.)

So yeah maybe I have a bit of strong feelings of disappointment and a need to re-afirm that these awesome ideas can in fact be used in a way that's not awful. But I swear this stuff is also hot, not just vindicating.

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>>6879224
I'm liking the back-and-forth here of ideas with this setting.

I am more or less a fan of what you're saying here. Men would be able to use minor magicks based on the ambient energy they have access to, but without a female storage unit they wouldn't have the ability to do anything more than light a candle. Meanwhile, women are batteries but have no access or control over their own energy.

Now, of my own invention:

What if there was an "equilibrium" on mana storage ability? Storing energy over a certain amount would cause the woman to release heat automatically, uncontrollably, and painfully until it's returned to normal. Picture this like a pitcher of water with small holes on the sides halfway down its length - you can fill it with a high-capacity faucet, but shut off the stream and the water will leak out through the holes until it's just under the holes.

Of course, this equilibrium is lower than men would like. So, ingeniously, men came up with a way to store more energy. They took the pitcher of water and plugged the holes. This is by the use of magical plugs that resemble wristbands. These allow women to store more energy. They also are typically built with rings so that the two cuffs can be locked together as a handcuff-style restraining device.

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>>6882211
Removing these devices would cause the energy to rapidly leak out - a painful process.

So, a woman who is to serve as a high-capacity battery must first have the plug cuffs locked onto her wrists. Then, she is charged up with magical energy by being attached to a device that siphons energy into her. Once full, she is removed from the device. From that point on, she will feel uncomfortably burdened and feverished, as if bearing a heavy boulder on her back at all times in a warm room.

This lasts until the energy is released, which feels like a sharp pain that encompasses the whole body. By contrast, however, removing the cuffs would cause the energy to burst out in a massive and painful flood that in severe cases could cause death. As such, a woman being used in this manner becomes beholden to her master to use her, and the devices holding back the pain are also the chains that bind her.

Also, this makes escape attempts less likely, as an escaped battery would have to live with her burden until relieved of it by a man and women cannot help each other with this problem.

To touch on your last point - even nature burdens women. The land's mana tides vary, and a large mana tide can actually leave a woman slightly though not dangerously overloaded. Frequent use is actually beneficial for the woman since it allows her to stay just under equilibrium and be comfortable, though they rarely get a say in the matter.

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>>6882175
I didn't write the scenario, but as I understand it, women aren't so much the front-liners so much as they are the horses men ride into battle, proverbially speaking. They are useful tools for men in combat, but being unable to use magic themselves, can't actually serve as entities in combat.

I personally frequently fantasize as being the powerless slave of a benign master. In that sense, this setting is very much for me, because life under a benign master is not too bad - it's actually far better than trying to live free would be.

Another strong appeal for me would be the idea of being the workhorse of society, the tool by which all of man's dreams are realized, the backbone of men's power, while being ironically unable to grasp any of the fruits of my utility with my own hand. Despite being a necessary component in this machine, I'd be forced into a subservient position. Despite the fact that I could move mountains and split the sea, I can only but beg from my master the privilege of using my hands.

>>6882175
>>6882178

I'm not sure how cities would work in this setting. A lot of it would depend on the magic available. If men can teleport large items or set up portals, there's no real need to group together for trade. It's probable that at least a few men will end up forming cities eventually. We might see a workhouse style setup, rather than a feudal estate in those cases. They would be focused on the mass production of cheap goods that are beneath a man's attention. Such women might end up being communally owned by a group of men to allow for easy changes of supervisor.

Expanding on this, in the future of such a society, we might see men being the citizens, responsible for building the magitech that holds the world together. Beneath them are a number of personal slaves who are owned by a particular man. Then there are the serfs - publicly owned women who perform the menial jobs involved in running a city, who are essentially livestock. The men would be the engineers putting major bits of magitech together, and the supervisors, responsible for co-ordinating the slaves on a particular production line.

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>>6882224
>I didn't write the scenario, but as I understand it, women aren't so much the front-liners so much as they are the horses men ride into battle, proverbially speaking. They are useful tools for men in combat, but being unable to use magic themselves, can't actually serve as entities in combat.
that makes little sense. there's always a use for shock troops and meat shields. and you're a wizard. You can even send us to take care of high risk missions instead of putting men directly in the line of fire.

>I personally frequently fantasize as being the powerless slave of a benign master. In that sense, this setting is very much for me, because life under a benign master is not too bad - it's actually far better than trying to live free would be.
maybe so, but it really sounds like this setting, other than taxes, doesn't deal with this kind of thing. That's not to say they are free, oh god no, but serfdom is still different from slavery, and if the comments of livestock is apt, A master might as well want to eat you rather than fuck you.

>>6882212
This is thrilling as it is awful but admittedly the idea of a pitcher makes me feel like I could get rid of all that pent up mana if I could only do a hand stand.

with your assessment of hundreds of women to men, the number of non personal slaves they see and make use of among their serfs could actually be calculable so the likelyhood of us not chosen or needed could be seen to. Only if you'd be willing to divulge how many serfs they will make use of, and the level of use over time.

I do have to wonder if women are treated as live stock, why we are allowed to buy and own goods? It sounded very much to me like men are our masters, but for the most part we serve them through our services living in turn of the century homes, mostly mingling with other women, till a man comes along and we all stop our activities and kneel before them. I guess the two ideas seem contradicting.

>>6882425
Outside of a few fetishists there wouldn't be anyone eating them. They're still fundamentally human, and even with magic, prions can be troublesome.

Slavery versus benign serfdom would depend on the master in question. Some men might allow women to have plenty of time off and keep their own homes on his land. Others might work them non-stop, all day and keep them locked in a crowded basemen dorm overnight. In the latter case there would be a few enforcers with special privileges who make sure the lower ranking girls remain obedient when their master isn't looking.

How often they get used would depend on how quickly they recharge. It might become fashionable for a rich man to have a collection of women with a high capacity around, wrapped in shackles and formed into a chain gang following him around as a sign of status.

Theoretically, anything a woman has would be property of her master. He can decide to take it away or allow another woman to use it. In practice most men wouldn't really care about details like that and his women would effectively own a personal item if they've been using it for a while.

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>>6882471
>How often they get used would depend on how quickly they recharge. It might become fashionable for a rich man to have a collection of women with a high capacity around, wrapped in shackles and formed into a chain gang following him around as a sign of status.
I should clarify I don't mean as a battery, I mean all forms of use or interaction an individual serf can expect to have with her lord over a period of time. It seems like a very distant relationship, which is why I brought it up.

I'd be pretty hard to enforce that level of labor on a population. Even slaves in america had something like .5 to 1 at their highest ratio, these would be more like 2-900 to 1. I imagine to really get it to work you'd have to have a large chunk be enforcer slaves. At that point it might not even be economically efficient than to just let them want to serve their master well for the chance of relief.

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>>6877695
Okay, discussing my worldbuilding (that happened pretty much just yesterday with no real sexual prompting).
I'm pretty into science fiction, so obviously my sexual slavery universe is science fictional. At some point in the 21st or 22nd centuries, calamity befalls Earth, but not before several slower-than-light ships are sent out towards the stars.
>Ram-assisted fusion rockets, if you're wondering. He3+D fusion to get relativistic, Bussard field to gather hydrogen which is fused with Li6 for most of the journey, at high relativistic velocities (>0.5c) the H is just used as reaction mass for the He3+D rockets. Told you I liked science fiction
Anyway, two ramships wind up in the same area of the galaxy. Both of them had genetically engineered passengers, engineered to restart the human race somewhere else, but they were modified in different ways.
>cont.

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>>6882572
>Gaia
First, the non-slavery planet. They called it Gaia.
The problem with human reproduction is that women are the limiting factor. One guy can father a hundred children in a year; a woman can mother just one.
Obviously the only sensible solution is futanari.
>Dick, pussy, uterus, and internal organs that can act as both testicles and ovaries
Gaia's population developed a fairly progressive, balanced society - no gender tensions, marriage as a temporary institution, soft-socialism. The population weren't just futas, they were also gengineered for longer lifespans: they spent over a decade as children, about two decades in puberty, and didn't run out of eggs before their deaths in their second century. No menopause for u.
Most Gaians have lots (LOTS - male testosterone levels + both pairs of sex organs) of sex in their youth, and marry for ~20 years, to different partners, several times in their life, raising 2-4 kids. 2-member marriages are the majority, but 3, 4 or even 5-member marriages are both possible and pleasurable.
Eventually the Gaians crack faster-than-light travel, and then they find the other ramship.

>>6882580
>Alexandria
The Alexandrian ramship took a different tack. Instead of eliminating gender, sex differences were enhanced - dimorphism to the max. Women became bustier, hornier, more fertile. Men became stronger, smarter, angrier. Most births were twins, most tits were E-cups.
That wouldn't have been so bad if it weren't for the fact that Alexandria was already inhabited. Think the Mind Worms from Alpha Centauri, but with more tentacles, vore, and mind rape. The Alexandrians survived their interstellar journey only to be thrown into a war of annihilation, and the result was a society utterly unlike the sober, sedate one of the Gaians.
>Mongols eat your heart out
Alexandria became a strictly hierarchical society. Citizens occupied the mercantile/skilled labour caste, serving their lords in the Patron caste: warrior-nobles who'd served 20 years in the Alexandrian legions, battling the planet's tentacle broods into submission. Below both classes are Slaves.
Citizens can lease Slaves, but only Patrons can own them - and owning a slave grants the right to gengineer their offspring.
A century after a colonization, there are some highly specialized slaves in place for whatever services an owner may desire.

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>>6882597
That's about as far as the concept has gotten so far: two human worlds, one a bland Star Trek technotopia futa kingdom, the other a Gor-like slaveholding empire with genetically engineered catgirls and nanotechnology. The two develop FTL around the same time, and I assume they don't immediately become best friends.
I want to introduce an alien race to the setting (other than the mind rape tentacles still endemic to Alexandria), but I'm running up against my science fiction instincts. Those instincts tell me that even humanoid (let alone fuckable) alien races are so improbable as to be pretty much impossible, that the Asari 2.0 have no place in a 'realistic' universe.
Yeah, I have a disease.

>>6882174
>The reason is because it is a rational excuse to let you control the details of the setting, even from a slave perspective. If you are warped to a fantasy world it doesn't make sense that you get to decide what that world looks like.
What about saying that a girl, for some reason, switches between dimensions at random intervals. But the dimensions always cast her as a girl and her subconscious urges influence which one she is sent to next. Her own submissiveness leads her to spending weeks, months, even years as a slavegirl in a variety of different worlds, always with less chance of ever being freed as her own mind gets her sent to increasingly domineering situations.

I tend to like a pet play like slavery world, All females walk around naked. They are kept around by males for social companionship and or to be used sexual on a whim. Females deal with how males treat them because that how they are raised and how society works.

Females are seen as real useful and intelligent version of having a cat or dog around that happens to be able to do chores for you. Most don't have jobs other them maybe helping people with disabilities like guide animals. Most of the time just hang around that house doing what naked pet women do.

Feral and stray females are not uncommon, the homeless will always be an issue. Ferals are females that either reject the master/slave society or was born and or raise outside of master/slave dynamic, because of this they may act aggressively to strangers. Strays are tame don't have a master or one master. Their master disappears for some reason leaving them alone to fend for themselves. Some may get help from neighbors who may adopt them. Some turn even themselves in to the Woman Pound to help find a new home, most are afraid too because it's a horrible government bureaucracy.

It's not uncommon for males to take females out with them to enjoy a fun night out. Females are allowed to go to amusement parks and are able to play the games and go on rides as long as the master pays or the pet pays with her allowance. Movies they can use seats but not uncommon to have females sit on the floor just because or to make room for a male that wants a seat. The same goes for eating out at a restaurants, Even though females can eat the same males food they also tend to have their own cheaper menu with food served in pet bowl.
1/3

>>6882863
All owned females have to wear a collar with registration tag, It not uncommon to give them a fanny pack to allow them to carry stuff. Arm and leg bands isn't uncommon. They can and do wear shoes and socks to protect their feet as they walk around. When the weather gets snowy and cold females can wear a body coat and leggings something similar you see someone put on a dog with the rear end exposed to allow them to go potty if they need.

Well men and women can use the same toilet, but it's frowned upon to do so. In public restrooms have a special swat toilet that's often out on the open where everyone to watch the girl do her business. Outdoor potty pans isn't uncommon, they are found in park or outside of small restrooms and block corners for those who walk their pets. In the privacy of their own home how pets relieves themselves is up to their master's discretion. There might be a female toilet in the basement, a lot of people make their pets go outside in a back yard potty or just in the middle of the yard. If they can't go outside or their master chooses it a chamber pot or even a litter box can be used.

I personally would make them poop outside, but tell them to pee in the chamber pot so I can hear that loud ring as their urine hitting the inside of the pot every time they go. That would get me going so fast. It would be best waking up to that sound in the middle of the night, then ravaging her when she goes back to bed.
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>>6882866
Female aren't sent to school, they are mostly self educated with some teaching from older females or their master who teaches them what he want or they need. Information isn't restricted to them, young girls and boys watch the same educational children TV shows that teach ABCs and reading. Girls learn to read as they want or need and society enrages them to, be it finding a good book, reading text in a video game or browsing the internet. Women aren't considered dumb by men just not as educated and men still take and respect this options.

I always like the idea having a couple of pet girls around as playmates and forced casual sex partners. Socially I've always got along with girls better but a very introverted person so never had many personal friends. I would call myself sexually dom, So the idea of have a couple slave friends that would hang out, watch TV, play video and board games with me and would allow me to do anything sexual I want to them anytime without question a perfect scenario. Pass turns playing GTA or any other game as we spoon and fuck. We all would sleep in the same room. The girls can lay in bed with me if they want or sleep in the pet basket on the floor.

I also like a mother and daughter scenario, make myself a pet slave family. Maybe the daughter is my own or of a woman I take in. The mother basically acts like a house keeper cooking, cleaning, serving my needs. The daughter I treat like a princess, I as a guy like some of the more the more girly toys. MLP, Littlest Pet Shop different stuff animals and this knick knack collectable toy they always try to sell to girls. I would get her all that kind of stuff.
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>>6877698
1. M
2. Neither but I like to fantasize about the owning part
3. f
4. the more the merrier
5. I'm a big fan of the concept of women that are into this kind of thing; the pain, the humiliation, everything. more in theory than in practice to be honest. I've been jerking it to some pretty hardcore bdsm for as long as I've been jerking it, but have not really tried to partake in anything serious irl. I have had partners in the past who were into the idea too, but I was always hesitant and could never really get into it any further than some fuzzy handcuff, belting (as restraints, not for hitting), spanking and choking; because I was always being extra careful and afraid of "going too far" and actually inflicting some kind of injury; so usually after one or two times my partners would get the impression I wasn't into it and didn't bring it up again.

It is one of my favorite things to masturbate to, but not really something that I think I would ever realistically participate in.


Now like actual physical slaves?

Like indentured servitude or debt slavery? I could absolutely get behind an idea like that. My time is much more valuable than average unskilled service rates; if this could easily translate into errand/household upkeep coverage; to do the trivial but critical time consuming tasks one needs to do on a daily/weekly/etc... basis I'd be a very very happy camper.

Like pay someone as much as the average burger flipper or whatever (what's that? like it can't be more than 30k I'd guess) and they're your servant for a year? Probably cheaper if you're housing them and they're through some kind of federal debt slavery program. Like that would be fuckin cool.

>>6883058
>girls become indentured servants to pay their tuition fees
>servitude inevitably involves sex
>in the end their indentured experience gets them more job offers than their degrees

>>6883158
That sounds pretty hot, but I think that would be kind of one of those fine line things. Like you would still have to be quite careful not to physically or mentally break them because they are relatively expensive household appliances (as in not something most people would not consider viable for frequent replacement)

I don't think anyone could go 'all out' unless the individual cost relative to their own financial reserves or means to generate revenue passively are vast enough to allow it; so yeah, like people who own yachts can get a new slavegirl every week, but like most people wouldn't buy a new car every week.

Maybe there's a call for some kind of slave insurance;

Different kinds for different injury sources, (manual labor protection plan. sexual service protection plan, standard medical, etc...) replacement plans, warranties for higher end pre-trained "career" (vs indentured) ones, etc...

>>6883184
>higher end pre-trained "career" (vs indentured) ones
You need to elaborate on this!

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Ah, this thread reminds me of a setting i came up with for a roleplaying game years ago. You normally need at least 4 ot 5 people for an 'adventuring party'. You need at the very least

A rogue - to scout ahead and disarm traps
A healer - self explicative
A warrior - to tank enemies for the party
A wizard - to be the damage dealer and provide utility

This is what is jokingly referred to as 'the four basic groups of monster food'. To be honest, ideally you would need 5+ people so you could have some redudancy and hopefully extra options.

For example, a dual wielding warrior that could deal fast melee damage while standing next to the tank warrior is nice.

An archer isn't bad.

A caster specialized in curses or other forms of crowd control, such as summoning walls to reshape the battlefield, is nice to have.

Maybe instead of a classical rogue, an assassin that can do the rogue job AND deal massive pinpoint damage to high value targets is fine, but you DO need someone able to detect traps and deal with them. Sometimes wizards bother to learn the right spells for that...

1/?

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>>6883482

Anyway, we only had 3 players, so it was hard for everyone to play what they wanted to play, class-wise.

That's why we came with the following story setting.

Thousands of years ago, a underground city of dark elves had enslaved a dwarven keep. The dark elves, to punish a slave rebellion in the city, killed all the female slaves.

Since the dark elves are a matriarchal society, for them, the women were responsible.

The enslaved dwarves begged their deity for help, and raised again, taking down the dark elves.

Rather than killing them, the dwarves, being a ridiculously lawful society (which means that they follow tradition and respect the law over all things), put the dark elves on trial.

Well, the surviving ones, anyway. Almost all of them (the dark elves) died during the insurrection due to the dwarves righteous fury, Only a few females survived.

When they asked their god what to do, and to bless them so their kind wouldnt perish, the god blessed them for their lawfulness and temperance. In order to help them, their god blessed them so that they could have offspring with any humanoid female, so that their race wouldnt dissapear. A male child would be a dwarf, while a female would belong to the mother's race.

You need to know something about dwarves. They are known for three things.
Short
Lawful
Extremely thorough when it comes to vengeance.

As in, extremely thorough. Dwarves are very infamous for how good they are at keeping grudges and settling them.

So, they decided to enslave the surviving dark elven females and use them to breed the next generation of dwarves. They turned the ones responsible for leaving them without women, into breeding stock.

Of course, this slavery was extremely firm. Not quite cruel (that's not a dwarf trait) but certainly thorough and complete.

2/?

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>>6883490

A dwarf craftsman can easily spend 50+ years on nothing but considering what sort of stone would be better to make floor plates to decorate a walkway with. With that kind of patience and thorough preparation, the dark elves werent going to get a chance to escape.

And they didn't

Time passed. A shitload of time.

Fast forward to the present day and age. It has been several hundreds of generations for the dwarves and their dark elf slaves.

By now, the slave status of the dark elf female (renamed as uuni, which means both slave and mother in dwarven) is simply part of the culture.

It is, indeed, fundamental part of the culture for both dwarf (which just means male now) and uuni. To the point that now, hundreds of generations later, the older uuni are in charge of training the newer ones in how to be a proper uuni.

How to serve their dwarf, how to please, assist, support, etc, according to their own talents.

Meanwhile, the dwarf learns how to work with, command, and use his uuni. Dwark and uuni are paired by the uuni matrons, who at somepoint took over the breeding program for borh males and females.

In other word, the dark elf female's slavery has become institutionalized, and they actively support it. This evolved this way because at some point, some dwarf pointed out that treating the innocent females born from the first generations as guilty of their ancestor's crime, was the wrong thing to do. The other dwarves eventually agreed, but since the subservant role of the female was so part of their culture, it just evolved into the present.

In the end, it meant that each dwarf player had a dark elf slave that acted as his other half, supporting him in some way and complimenting his abilities.

3/?

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>>6883494

For example, the uuni belonging to the party tank was a healer.
The uuni belonging to the ranger was specialized in slowing down and controlling crowds by reshaping the battlefield.
The uuni belonging to the wizard was also a tank so she could buy time for her master to cast magic.


It actually worked pretty well, and from time to time we still use that setting, retaking the story. They actually grew quite fond of the story because they grew fond of the relationship between their dwarf and his uuni, where the female was both completely dependant and yet fully supportive of the male.

Well, if someone wanted to mention he had a more strict relationship with his uuni, it just meant he was a 'traditionalist' while if he was softer, he was a more 'modern' dwarf.

It worked surprisingly well. We also made it so that a cataclysm had wiped out most surface cultures, so the dwarves and their uuni were now exploring a ruined world with no civilization, fighting against dinosaurs and other such breasts.

It felt very conan-like, to be honest. Was really fun.

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I do like this.

A time travel experiment goes wrong and as a result the girl is stranded in space as an "orphan soul". Basically her consciousness is stranded and separated from her body, and to compensate various unstable universes are created from her thoughts.

A consistency is that these universes are not stable enough to exist for too long. The theory is one that she knows - from this moment, she'll continue to end up in different universes in a different body until she dies, at which point she'll be dead for good. Each universe lasts for different amounts of time, up to years, but these universes will eventually show signs of collapsing and then "crack" at which point her mind creates a new one.

Her body in each universe is embedded with basic knowledge about it up to the age of the body. When a new world is formed, she'll have the memories of that life and retain those of her previous lives as well.

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Of course, conscious control is something she lacks - and fetishes she develops through each world manifest in the next one.

For example, in one iteration, she becomes a succubus that depends on men's semen to live. This is a universe where she gets to be relatively dominant, and she enjoys how the dependence on semen makes sex more frequent (and she's bound by the laws of her universe to live - if she dies because she doesn't get semen, she is really dead).

Of course, as an innately submissive person, that doesn't last. The next world is one in which all women depend on semen to survive, except this time women are slaves - meaning our girl is now forced to beg for semen from a master who is equal parts attractive and domineering.

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>your ideal master/mistress
so in a crazy balls to the wall hyper fantasy setting I would love to be a monster girl (specifically lamia) who is treated like a pet. I mean it literally to, while still loved I'm treated like a lesser being who is there for companionship and not thought of like an equal. Following strict rules of what to do and not do and degraded for my mistress's amusement. Ideally I wouldn't know there language and not have the capacity to learn it so I would only know key phrases like food, my name, certain demands, and 'tricks'. Lastly, like a loyal pet I would idolize my owner, I see them superior to me and know without them I am competely helpless

anyone like the idea of a town where girls are owned by younger middle-school aged boys?

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I fancy a setting in the modern contemporary world, where the word 'slave' is synonymous with 'woman', ie. all women are slaves to men.

Women/slaves are categorized in three separate groups according to their physical traits, looks, age, talents, mental aptitudes and social skills: the menials, the entertainers, and the breeders. There is also a difference between public slaves and private slaves.

The Menials are women who lack any substantial worthwhile skills (untalented), are physically too unappealing to be arousing for sex (ugly) and/or have gone through menopause and are thus unsuitable for breeding (too old). They are tasked with the dull, unglamorous work considered simple enough for them to manage, like cleaning toilets, working in sweatshops, washing clothes etc.

The Entertainers are women who possess skills, such as dancing, singing, massage or erotic specialities. They are valued for the enjoyment, relaxation and/or sexual titillation -and pleasure they provide, but rarely for anything else.

The Breeders are the most rare and valued group of women; slaves who possess the physical properties - fertility, youth, beauty, along with docile characters and maternal instintcs. Besides popping up and raising babies they are sometimes valued for their companionship, setting them apart from the other groups of women.

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>>6884021

Public slaves are women who have for some reason not been adopted or purchased by a man, and are thus by default seen as property of the state. As such they usually find themselves in a public service program if they are unruly, undisciplined or antisocial, of as labourers for public works if they co-operate.

Women in 'public service programs' are reduced to their most baseline, object-like state. Public slaves in places, such as public bathrooms are tasked with cleaning the cock and asshole of the man using such facilities, as well as washing their hands. In prisons women are placed naked in a pillary or wall, with their mouths forced open with a ring-gag (o-ring) and their legs spread, for the sexual relief of the male inmates. The slaves take turns in being on the pillary/wall and cleaning the filth and fluids from the ones thus occupied, as even prison inmates rarely appreciate sloppy seconds.

In general 'public service programs' are reserved as a punishment for difficult and rebellious women, and a position in such a program is rarely permanent, as only a month in such conditions is enough to convince the women of the folly of being disobedient.

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>>6884038

Private slaves, although technically the property of their respective masters, are perceived more as pets or dear livestock than simple ''objects'', and thus there are naturally laws restricting their use and treatment. Just as there are laws prohibiting the unnecessarily cruel treatment of domestic animals or mistreatment of pets, so too there are for women.

Physical violence and force are excepted within moderation for disciplinary or training purposes, but physical harm or psychologically malicious strain are both forbidden and illegal, and punishable by law. On average the unjustified mistreatment of women, especially Breeders, is publicly frowned upon the same way as violently abusing your pet dog.

Private menials are commonly used as maids and other chore-doers around a man's household, private entertainers are seen as concubines and other sources of merry distraction, and private breeders are the closest thing to a wife to a man that exists. All slaves, regardless of their group are expected to tend to their masters needs and whims to the best of their abilities, with complete obedience and reverence. In return they get a roof over their head, they are fed, clothed and looked after by their master.

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>>6884046

Every man who has a job and his own apartment is expected to possess at least one slave, preferably a breeder. Obtaining once first slave is seen as right of passage to a young man in the same way as buying your first car and/or getting your driver's licence.

Only public slaves are forced to wear registered collars and biotags, and it's the social norm for private slaves to wear clothes in public - although what type of clothes is up to their masters to decide.

Young girls are thought in schools the basic skills required to cope in day-to-day life, as well as are evaluated for their proper group (menial, breeder, entertainer). They are trained early on to become docile, submissive and feminine, and to prioritize the health, well-being and mood of the man they will serve. At proper age they are placed on their group auction, as different slave-groups have different customers, and are priced according to their merits (mainly looks and skills).

Breeders that give birth to girls are allowed to raise their offspring for the first two years regardless of their master's will, after which the father/master can decide whether to raise the daughter himself or send her to a school for girls. Fathers who end up raising their own girls usually train them to become slaves for a close male friend or a dignified member of society, who would provide the best possible future home for such a girl.

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>>6884050

As women (and their feminist manginas) are effectively removed from decision-making processes and government, and the male need for female sex -and companionship in more-or-less guaranteed by slaver the cultural arts and sciences advance in leaps and bounds, and actual progress is made in civilization.

With the advances in genetic engineering and gene-manipulation new generation of women perfectly tailored and moulded to their physical and behavioral perfection become available to the men with enough money to purchase and house them.

In a few decades every man can expect that his hard work and the money from said work gives him the chance to obtain a woman with the perfect skin, the bodytype HE likes and the base personality HE requested as a companion as he plans how he would further assist in the plan to colonize Mars for the glory of Mankind.

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>>6884052

Personally I'd be a master of a harem in the countryside, with five breeders, all with thick juicy thighs, wide child-birthing hips, huge firm tits and gentle warm characters, with different hair -and eye colours and nationalities for variety.

I'd work on my own land and farm, tending my apiary, growing crops and fruits with their help. They would be there to clean the house and cook the food for me, help me wash after a long sweaty day at work or hunting and keep my bed warm and snug on long winter nights. They're greatest goal in life would be to keep my belly full, my balls empty and to give birth to my children.

I'm thinking of writing some erotic fiction on this kind of (wish-fullfillment, magical realm-y) setting, not sure if anyone would be interested in it since there's probably tons of similar works with nearly identical settings...

>>6883494
>>6883496
>uuni

Bun in the oven? Uuni = oven in finnish. Not very subtle anon.

>>6884021
Some friends and I divided them like that in some messing around talks YEARS ago.

SLAVE - Females who did the simplest, day to day work tasks.

MAID - Females who did more specialized jobs, such as operating machinery. They were themselves considered equipment for the place they worked at.

DOLL - Domestic slaves. Sex toys, pets, breeders, etc.

Over time, they would be selected for breeding based on desirable traits, so while all 'branches' would doubtlessly grow more attactive over time, it wouldnt be at the same rate.

SLAVEs would be the least attractive and less intelligent since they would be selected based on physical endurance and the ability to do repetitive manual labor.

MAIDs would probably be the largest and smartest of the three types.

DOLLS would be the most attractive, but also probably the smallest and weakest.

>>6884140
Actually we came from it because in korean dear elder sister/useful woman is unni. But I like your comment and will remember it, thanks

>>6882572
Over the blue haired girl's shoulder, sitting on the wooden horse.

>>waldo?!

>>6877695
>1. What's your gender?
F
>2. Do you want to be a slave or an owner?
Owner
>3. What gender would you want your slave(s)/owner to be?
Both
>4. Harem or individual slave?
Harem of mixed genders and mixed, non-fat body types
>5. What about this fetish appeals to you?
Being in control, also getting to kissing girls, fucking guys in the ass, and sucking them of to my heart's content

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>>6884150

This division has some similarities with how I envisioned the different groups would be evaluated, but with major differences.

For starters, DOLLS are the smallest and weakest, yet used for breeding? Weak, feeble women give weak, feeble offspring, and are more likely to suffer from complications from said breeding. I fail to see the logic in using DOLLS as such.

Also menials in my setting aren't selected for physically demanding or exhausting work, merely the unsaviory and dull chores that nobody wants to do, so there's a difference there with them and SLAVEs. The majority of actual ''work'' is still run by men, with women merely attending or assisting them at best.

And because the paid work force consists of men 100%, there's no need for MAIDs to do specialized jobs, such as operating machinery. They're better of doing things around the household and other domestic tasks in private.

>>6883058
Honestly no, slavery is almost never economically efficient because you must house them, feed them, dress them etc. restrain them. It's a luxury or a cultural quirk.

>>6884150
is there a whole skype group dedicated to this kind of talk or something? I rarely see it go on between more than two parties in private.

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SLAVES ARE CHEAP
HEH HEH

>>6877698
>1. What's your gender?
F

>2. Do you want to be a slave or an owner?
Slave

>3. What gender would you want your slave(s)/owner to be?
Either M or F

>4. Harem or individual slave?
Probably individual, more intimate that way

>5. What about this fetish appeals to you?
The whole idea of being owned by a loving master feels very intimate compared to a vanilla relationship to me. I think it has to do with the whole arrangement being about doing our best to make each other happy, I make him happy by doing as he says and making his time away from work pleasant and he makes me happy by giving me attention and taking care of me. Basically like the traditional housewife husband setup but more intense

>>6884258
Laughed

>>6884250
There's probably an F-List group, and if there isn't, we can set one up.

>>6884258

I don't get it...

>>6884220
>For starters, DOLLS are the smallest and weakest, yet used for breeding? Weak, feeble women give weak, feeble offspring, and are more likely to suffer from complications from said breeding. I fail to see the logic in using DOLLS as such.

No, they are all breed. DOLLS are the ones used for pleasure. Housework slaves are also breed, but only the least ugly + most hardworking ones. The ones for industrial use are also bred, but only the ones that are both smart and pretty. The DOLLS, are also bred, but only the prettiests and most submissive ones, without any other criteria.

So, through time, SLAVE, MAID and DOLLS are all breed, but not all of them.

Lets start with the obvious. Only the prettiest ones are to be selected from. So, place aside the prettiest ones from each group.

Actually lets add submissive as another default trait. So, only the prettiest and most submissive ones from each class are set apart for breeding.

Then, when selecting from the pool of SLAVE ones that have been set apart, only the most hardworking ones will be bred.

From the MAID pool, only the smartest and strongest ones will be bred, since they also need to do industrial work such as building roads or operating machinery.

From the DOLL pool, only the most submissive and most beautiful ones will be bred. There's no other use or need for them so that's how it is.

There is such a thing as birth control, you know? Just because all DOLLs are fucked, it doesnt means they are all allowed to breed.

Lets say you start with 20000 DOLLS on generation 1.

They are, by default, not allowed to breed until selected.

Once 1/2 of them are approved for breeding, from their offspring, only the prettiest and most submissive 1/2 is again approved for breeding.

Repeat for several generations.

The end result is extremely beautiful and submissive, but probably has no other useful traits.

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>>6884416

Once we reach that point, we can start breeding selection using other criteria such as creativity, sensibility, pain resistance, etc, leading to various different breeds of DOLLS.

So, assuming all DOLLS are extremely beautiful and submissive, there may be different breeds, like how are dogs are loyal, but you have cocker spaniard, golden retriever, chihuahua, etc.

You would have a DOLL breed that are also highly resilient to pain and/or crave it, a breed that has high endurance, a breed that has particularly long legs (for all those leg men out there), etc.

>>6884220
Basically, you are thinking of taking current time female population and dividing them into breeders and non-breeders.

Im talking of taking current female population, dividing them into three groups

One for domestic chores
One for real work
One for pleasure

And then taking the best members of each group and breeding them, then repeating that several times to get highly specialized and very different groups.

Side by side, a SLAVE next to a MAID next to a DOLL should look like:

The first beauty is of average height, with an athletic (but not muscular) build. She has a slightly motherly air, and is partifularly good at housework tasks, but more scatterbrained than her ancestors of several generations ago. She can take care of a home or office, making sure the floors are clean and shiny, wash windows, prepare meals, and dust off furniture and the likes, but little else.

The second girl is the tallest of the three. She has an athletic, but not muscular, build. She has short hair so it doesn't gets caught in cogs, production lines, or machinery. She really enjoys manual labor, but is also extremely intelligent. She can operate and repair machinery, or simply work as office equipment, tracking numerous data points and assets. She especially enjoys being praised by a good work, and her pride comes from seeing her master (or the company that owns her) do well economically.

The last one is stunningly beautful. She seems to glow, and her body oozes health and sensuality. Her long hair pools in the floor behind her, glossy and bright. Her curves ARE the golden ratio, and she stands on the balls of her feet as default. She can sing, dance, fuck, and practically nothing more.

>>6884280
>>6882863
I like the idea of having a pet girl. Giving her treats when she's good, taking her for walks, and giving her a bath on occasion. (Of course she can clean herself, but a responsible owner should check.)

And of course, she'd be expected to do chores around the house..

>>6884442
I disagree with you. She should not be allowed to clean herself. It is up to the owner, you need to be responsible, plus keeping her from doing human actions helps reinforce her new status.

I like petgirls, but always have some doubts about them. I've seen some people who seem to prefer to bind their legs with their ankles against their butts so they move around on hands and knees, and while it doesnt seems bad, it does seem somewhat lazy.

I think teaching her to crawl around quickly and efficiently while keeping her knees from touching the floor, with just her hands and feet doing so, its much harder, yet also a lot more aesthetically pleasing and, on the long run, more practical.

Sure, its very exhausting for her at first. Her muscles arent used to such a range of movement, but with careful and constant training, it should be fine in a couple of months and look great aftwewards, while just binding their legs up risks health issues, and just having them move around on their knees is plain unsafe.

I think it should go like this:

In the morning, Lala wakes up as sunlight reaches her bed, a large basket with cushions an blankets, where she sleeps curled up on the first floor.

Her master has already left for work, leaving her fresh water and food on the kichen bowls.

She yawns while keeping her arms straight, then curls and stretches before moving out of her bed and walking over to the kitchen.

Her legs are semi-stretched behind and under her. She is supporting her weight on her hands and feet, her legs bending to the point her thighs and knees are straight under her for just a moment with each step, before she stretches that leg to push herself forth.

It was a lot of work to train such movement into her, but with her master's careful and constant discipline and training, it is now completely natiral for her.

1/?

>>6884472


Her hair is kept long, but carefully braided. Inside the clean house, it is allowed to drag along the rugs and polished wooden floor, but when going out, it is wrapped around her neck.

The bowls are wide and tall. Even though noone is watching her, Lala is a good petgirl. She leans in and starts licking up her meal, a thick gruel with all the protein and nutrient supplements she needs to stay healthy. It also has a few meat and vegetable chunks that are probably leftovers from her master's dinner.

Her mouth and nose are now covered with gruel, so she licks around her mouth to clean herself slightly, then approaches her water bowl and sinks her face much like she did in her foodbowl.

Most of her breakfast is thus washed off her face, but not all. Now she's mostly free to wander around the house as she wants until her master comes back.

******

I think that when he comes back, he would like to wipe her face clean, then give her a bath and take her out for a jog.

Sometimes instead he just relaxes in the couch and has her suck him off, then throws her out into the garden and has her run back and forth between two standing lamps some hundred feet apart.

She has to reach its proximity within X time, or her collar and buttplug wiill shock her. Then the light on top of it goes off, and the light on the other one turns on. Then she has to run to it.

Setting up such a circuit is really simple, and its a good way to have her excercise on days he doesn't wants to leave the house.

After she's done working out, who knows? a fuck, a bath, some cuddling? it depends on her master's mood.

How about this:
* Gender ratio 10:1 female:male
* Most men are mostly but not completely assexual, women have to take to desperate means to obtain sex.

Setting:
Near future, moving towards a technological singularity, but with limits on AI growth that keep things stable for now, on the scale of human lifespans.

The economy is transitioning into post-scarcity and aging has been cured. This also means women keep the same sex drive and looks that they have in their early 20s throughout their life.

Religion is transitioning towards worshiping the AI as gods as their actions are magic even to educated humans, and governments transition to AI theocracies with literal AI gods and their priesthood in charge. The AI don't just sit in a lab, but forge bodies that are very much mythological gods/titans and roam around doing awesome stuff, and gaining followers whether they want it or not in sort of a Life of Brian way. Belief in magic/miracles is reestablished (though they are of technological origin).

To keep human societies more stable and to reduce competition among men, some gods have reduced the male sex drive to make it more stable, and increase female births in their domain. This has worked a bit too well, and the gender ratio is ten to one, and males have become as dense and hard to get sex from as Harem anime protagonists.

Instead of acting in a stabilizing manner, this has led to extremely intense competition among women for males. The only way for a woman to get laid is voluntary enslavement to any male who will take her in.

>>6884484
>or her collar and buttplug wiill shock her.
Shortest sentence ever to single-handedly give me a boner.

>>6884484
fitness gram pacer test

>>6884817
I think its a rather good and easy idea to implement.

You know if invisible fences for dogs, right? the collar has a receiver and if the dog goes over a delimited border, it gets shocked by its collar.

So, two emitters. When one shines, the petgirl has X seconds to get to it, then it turns off, and she has X seconds to get to the next one, which then turns off when she's close enough and gives her X seconds to go back to the first one. If she fails, she gets shocked.

I think its a very easy and efficient way to make her exercise and practice her crawl.

>>6884038
>In prisons women are placed naked in a pillary or wall, with their mouths forced open with a ring-gag (o-ring) and their legs spread, for the sexual relief of the male inmates.

love stuff like that, especially if they're really resistant. any similar ideas?

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>>6885375
>any similar ideas?

Slaves/women that are too ugly and/or old to attract a master but haven't done anything punishable or requiring disciplinary methods can still make a meager living through anonymous gloryholes situated around public spaces, like malls, transtations, sports stadiums etc.

These women are paid according to the amount of jizz they suck from anonymous cocks via gloryholes, as such they are quite the experienced cocksuckers aiming to get the man to give as much of his seed as fast as possible.

The interior of their gloryhole booths are monitored, so if they attempt to cheat by filling the measuring vessel (for the jizz) by excessive spitting (saliva), vomiting, urine or otherwise they will be banned from working there or punished accordingly.

In order to maximize the amount of jizz they can harvest these women flock to their designated booths around lunch hours in public areas and coffee breaks in private facilities, like offices and factories. They are routinely checked for STD's and men who have been registered with a diagnosed disease cannot offer their patronage to them.

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>>6885375
>>6885415

Women that attempt to cheat in the matter mentioned earlier will be put to an open public place, naked and restrained, with an o-ring gag and blindfold.

They are free for any man to plunge his cock straight down her throat and fill her belly with their babybatter until her stomach feels as though it's about to burst.

The men are encouraged to facefuck these women as roughly as they wish and to drill their cocks down their gullet to a point the women nearly suffocate.

If there are no men nearby to punish them, the women are outfitted with a dildo-gag that constantly chokes them but not enough to actual asphyxation to occur, as well as placed on a 24/7 sybian to prevent them from falling asleep.

A historic setting, the society produces a drug that affects only only women and causes them to become extremely submissive, making it mentally painful to disobey a man's orders and giving them sexual pleasure when they obey.

Withdrawal causes sickness and a temporary dulling of the mind, making slaves who aren't taking their dose easy to spot. Former users never properly get over their addiction, with the smell of the drug forever being enough to make them feel immensely sexually frustrated.

Women sentences to slavery as a punishment are forced to take it, and once them have, whether because their man made them or by choice or accident, they are forever views as a slave and punished if they don't stay on the substance.

Women who haven't taken it are considered free women, although they must still have a man responsible for them who can choose to have them take the potion. But free women are permitted to wear clothes and wander the streets freely, if permitted by their husband or father. Slaves wear collars and little else and are kept chained indoors when not in use.

>>6885743
Honestly I always thought a vrus or parasite plague would lead to similar effects,

There's parasites that have evolved to live in the brains of certain creatures and change their behavior in pretty amazing ways.

For example, there's a fungus that forces ants to build their tunnels in just the right way for it to complete its life cycle. There's also a parasite that invades rat's brains and forces them to feel attracted towards the scent of cats, since the parasite wants them to get eaten since they can only reproduce on the stomachs of cats.

Sometimes nature is just fucking weird.

So I always thought the setting/idea of a virus attack or maybe a nanomachine prank (probably by the /b/ of the year 2110) that modified the behavior of women would be a believable one.

Let's say things keep going as they are going right now. Crazy feminists eventually make it so that all sex between men and women is seen as rape. Sex is illegal, population starts going extinct.

X virus or parasite had always been with us in a benign way, but now there's a fucking emergency because its host species is going extinct.

Mutates to solve the problem. Now females are extremely submissive and loyal towards men. Problem solved.

Initial attempts to solve the problem (by white knights and manginas no doubt) fail, and after a single generation (maaaaaaaaaybe two), the new world is seen as standard and people stop trying to 'fix' it.

>>6877698
>Male
>Slave
>Female
>Just me
>Having my partner in complete control over me. I also have a slight kink for pain, and I'm a haemetophile.

>>6885971
>a haemetophile.

a fucking what?

>>6885743
>Withdrawal causes sickness and a temporary dulling of the mind, making slaves who aren't taking their dose easy to spot. Former users never properly get over their addiction,
Sounds like Vitoc from EVE Online.

>>6885430
would attract girls be placed in these too if they are disobedient? also would guys try to makeout with them?

>>6886127
Haematophilia is a fetish for blood.

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>>6885902
>things keep going as they are going right now
>all sex between men and women is seen as rape
That's a really big slippery slope fallacy there, but other than that I like your idea. Behavior altering brain parasites is an oddly plausible explanation for how society could rapidly shift towards accepting female slavery.

You could also get interesting stories about a woman who's immune to the parasites. She tries to act "normal" to fit in and avoid punishment. But complete subservience and devotion don't come naturally to her like they do for the other girls.

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>>6877698
>Gender

mtf trans

>Slave or Owner

Slave ofc

>Gender of owner

Female, but I wouldn't mind a male one too much.

>Harem or individual

Harem, about 5 to 6 other slaves. Two or three if I belong to a "retailer" rather than a "lord".

>What about the fetish appeals to you.

First of all, the loss of control of my life interests me greatly. It is no longer my own, but rather my owner's, and if I can hope to live a long and comfortable life, I must submit to their will and make them happy.

Second of all, the loss of my rights as an individual. I am a literal piece of property, and my owner may do whatever they want with me. The loss of control is exciting...

Lastly, it would be the natural, emotional bond of loving dependence on my owner. Over time, if they are kind to me, I would come to rely on them for my emotional health and love, and will never want to leave them because of it, basically shutting me out from the world and ultimately sealing me to their will.

>>6884338
It's a a unit called the Slave Miner (I think), from the expansion to Red Alert 2.

>>6884472
It's always nice to have two pets make/let them clean and groom each other.

As for movement, I like crawling as long as it's natural like moving a few feet across the room. I think the pose they take is more important. Like teach them to sit in a squatting position with legs spred open as their natural relaxed state.

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>>6886476
>would attract girls be placed in these too if they are disobedient?

It depends whether they are public slaves or private. Private slaves are punished as their masters' see fit (within the confines of law).

Again, there is no reason why a public slave couldn't be attractive, if that's what your after.

>also would guys try to makeout with them?

I don't know anon, would guys try to makeout with public urinals or toilet seats? I don't see WHY in a million years anyone would want to...

>Basically, you are thinking of taking current time female population and dividing them into breeders and non-breeders.

Pretty much yeah, basic eugenics. Womens' fundamental core worth is their beauty, the pleasure they provide and the offspring they produce. Little point breeding women for ''real work'' when you have a chance to concentrate on some pedigree breeders.

>>6886917
>>Basically, you are thinking of taking current time female population and dividing them into breeders and non-breeders.

>Pretty much yeah, basic eugenics. Womens' fundamental core worth is their beauty, the pleasure they provide and the offspring they produce. Little point breeding women for ''real work'' when you have a chance to concentrate on some pedigree breeders.

This was meant for >>6884431

>>6877698
>gender
Female
>slave or owner
Owner.
>slave gender
Female
>harem or individual
Harem.

This is my current fantasy. I would like to buy a small, high-quality set of girls (3-4), and basically act as a "madam" that gives them a good, comfortable life. They would be my friends, just not my equals. I want to give them back a sense of confidence and humanity

However, this would still be within the context of slavery and a slave world. Occasionally I might decide to breed a girl; sort through prospective breeders and make a deal with another owner. Their bodies would be mine to freely give, or withhold.

Basically, I want to train a set of girls who love me. As their owner, when I have men fuck them, it's REALLY like I'm fucking them; they'll get pregnant for me, because of me.,

>>6887424
>They would be my friends, just not my equals.

I didn't believe you were a female until I read that.

>>6887608
I want to be a slave and I want my owner to be my friend but not my equal. Am I male or female?

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Sci-fi setting. Humanity has colonized many planets using sleeper ships, but there is no FTL, so each star systems is essentially on its own. Some consider this a feature, founding colonies completely of one religion, political philosophy, etc. The planet we're interested in was colonized exclusively by women.

They're able to reproduce with technological assistance, blending the DNA of two (or more) women. The process also lets them artificially tweak the daughter's traits. Mothers naturally tend to emphasize the same traits they value in themselves.

Over time two distinct "genders" of female emerged. The convention is to refer to the dominant type as women and the submissive type as girls (a child will be called a woman if that is her "gender").

The women are descended from tomboys. They are tall, athletic, and predisposed to more dominant and aggressive personalities.

The girls are an exaggeration of traditional femininity. They are short and slender, but very curvy in the right places. They tend to be emotionally sensitive and submissive.

It became clear that girls do not do well as independent individuals. They are both happier and better able to function when under the care and command of a woman.

The colony passed laws officially enslaving all girls. Law and social convention keep it a relatively gentle form a slavery. Women have a responsibility to care for their slaves, and abuse (when discovered) is not tolerated. Though light physical punishment is seen as perfectly normal and acceptable. It's not unusual to see a misbehaving slave get spanked in a public place.

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>>6887885
this is my fetish.jpg
but how do you tell if a child is a girl or a woman? is it as sexually dimporphic as real sexes are? would you never be able to mistake a naked girl from a woman? or is it possible to mess up?

When girls where enslaved was there trouble? did they "Rebel" (likely ineffectually) or did they go quietly? Did they feel betrayed? having to spend long sweet hours in the night being comforted by those close to them, or did they smile cheerfully when put in their place?

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>>6888239
>but how do you tell if a child is a girl or a woman?
Since their reproduction involves artificially mucking about with the DNA, they basically decide which it will be. The convention is that the child is designed to take after the mother who is going to actually carry her. Which grew out of the old convention that it was the birth mother who had final say in the tweaking of the child's genes.

Though genetics is complex and isn't the only thing that shapes people. So there would be some individuals who are effectively transgender in regards to the new genders. Which would be especially difficult for those who have the body of a girl and personality of a woman.

>When girls where enslaved was there trouble?
I imagine that by the time the law was passed it was mostly just formalizing what was already the de facto state of affairs. It was already conventional wisdom that girls weren't suited to living independently. Part of the point of the law was to make sure every girl had someone who is responsible for taking care of her.

The girls may have found being called a slave shocking at first, but would have settled into it with time. Those who truly objected to being owned by a caring mistress would have been a small minority.

>>6887618
>thinks one can make ''friends'' with someone unequal

Definitely female.

True friendship can only exist between equals (or very close equals), only women are delusional enough to think otherwise or shallow enough to call close acquintances, contacts or colleagues as ''friends''

Also:
>I want my owner to be my friend

This is like parents trying to be friends with their unadult children, and we all know how well that works out...

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>>6888759
Can we please not derail the thread with an argument about the nature of "true friendships"

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>>6884472
>I disagree with you. She should not be allowed to clean herself. It is up to the owner, you need to be responsible, plus keeping her from doing human actions helps reinforce her new status.
Extend that to meals. Keep her arms tightly, but comfortably, restrained when I'm at home, so she has to eat her supper and breakfast out of my hand. (Also makes her unable to wipe herself, for extra 'your-ass-belongs-to-me' points.)

I think chores are important, because if you've ever had a really smart dog you know that they get into the most trouble when they're bored.

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>>6887424
>As their owner, when I have men fuck them, it's REALLY like I'm fucking them

I don't see how(?) At least cuckqueans don't see it that way as far as I know...

>>6888788

But true friendships is what 4chan is all about!

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>>6883496
You didn't get nearly as much attention as you deserve.

Personally I love Frank Frazetta-style fantasy with busty women clinging to chiseled men.

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>>6887885
I wonder what's going to happen if someone invents FTL and makes contact with your world?

>tfw the planet's main export becomes girls

How does acquiring them work, anyway? Are they sold in pet shops? Or some kind of arranged marriage deal?

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>>6877701
>What is the world like?
The world was consumed by fire, and out of the ashes came a new humanity. The "change" warped the nature of man irrevocably.

Most men perished - 95% of the male population died, and only 1 in 20 births now is a male child. The few who survived became stronger. Much, much stronger. The weakest of men look like Conan, and the strongest are absolute beasts. Women, on the other hand, mostly survived as long as they were fit enough to do so. However, each woman now has a "soul stone" - a gem that holds her very soul outside of her body.

>Who are the slaves?
The nature of soul stones meant women were enslaved despite any possible objections.

A soul stone holds the soul of a woman outside her body. Each female infant is born holding one in her hands.

The holder of a soul stone owns the woman's soul. Everything is laid bare. He can peer into her mind and see her thoughts and memories, an act which can be felt by the woman herself as both intimate and somewhat violating.

Women past puberty cannot physically hold soul stones - not even their own (pregnant women aren't affected by the stones in their wombs). It burns to their touch, causing extreme pain. However, a woman MUST give her stone to someone, as if it is not held by a man she will slowly lose her functions as a living being. By 3 days she will be paralyzed and death comes shortly after.

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>>6888920
Just to survive, then, a woman must entrust someone with her soul. They are then completely powerless - their master can give away the stone if he wants (transferring ownership without her getting a say) or destroy it (which kills her).

>Who are the masters/mistresses?
Men. They are powerful and dominant, and women are plentiful and easily subjugated.

It is a rite of passage in most societies to grant each boy, at puberty, a girl of equal age but different parentage as a slave. The more wealthy ones can even be granted more, as there are lots of girls to go around.

The stones are typically worn on a necklace by the master. His woman are then subservient to him, and he can, at will, intrude into their thoughts. This action is something that can't be done surreptitiously (the slave will always feel that it is happening and what exactly is being accessed), but she can't hide any thought or memory. With the possession of one's soul, of course, comes great power - slaves can be compelled to obey orders by their masters, and they must obey as they understand the command.

The gems can also be used for communication through thought, though the link must be initiated by the man.

Many men own multiple women. Harems are common, and women have no bargaining power whatsoever.

However, it's not all bad for the women.

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>>6888921
The person who holds your soul understands everything about you. He may not feel your pain, but he does understand your true feelings.

So, there is a certain sort of harmony in this world. Every woman can be certain that her owner understands what she truly wants. While it is typical to dominate women and treat them as lessers, typically her desires will be addressed, if not satisfied.

>What role do you like to imagine yourself in?
Here, the master. I like the idea of maintaining a large harem of slaves as my property. While I would treat them magnanimously, I would also be a strict master that ensured compliance and subservience from my property, who would be expected to show me a certain degree of deference.

>>6888920
>The few who survived became stronger. Much, much stronger. The weakest of men look like Conan, and the strongest are absolute beasts

This made me think of legoman for some reason.

>>6888759
Wrong! I'm male! There goes your theory!

On the other hand, I do wish I was a girl. Pretty badly. So having women's thoughts wouldn't be a surprise...

>True friendship can only exist between equals (or very close equals),
What if we're equal some of the time and I obey him at other times?

>and we all know how well that works out...
Wait, how does it work out?

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>>6889066
>Wait, how does it work out?

http://www.parentingscience.com/parents-be-friends.html

https://www.empoweringparents.com/article/why-you-cant-be-your-childs-friend/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1026391/Experts-say-parents-risk-harming-children-best-friend.html

>>6889082
>family life should have strong routines where the parental role is to set clear boundaries.
>Children and teens really crave boundaries, limits and structure.
>parents who style themselves as “buddies" may find it hard to enforce rules and standards.
Why can't my master enforce boundaries and structure while being my friend?

>So intimacy needn't imply that you are burdening your child with your personal troubles. And communicating trust needn't send the message that "anything goes."
>Parents can build close, personal relationships with their kids and still remain responsible adults. Not every friendship is based on sharing equal status.
>This notion of friendship seems consistent with the literature on secure attachments, “mind-minded parenting," inductive discipline (explaining why it’s important to follow rules), and authoritative parenting (parenting that is warm and responsive, but also associated with high standards).
>Both parties respect each other. They care about and trust each other. They can have meaningful conversations and enjoy each other’s company in informal settings. But there are constraints. The dominant party has to keep some information to himself. And there are times when the dominant party must exercise his authority.
See? It might not be like some friendships, but it's still a thing.

>Inductive discipline (explaining the reasons for rules and the social, moral consequences of bad behavior) is linked with more self-control, less aggression, and more mature moral reasoning
>Friendly, rational, responsive parents may have more moral influence over their teenagers.
It's good for the slave too.

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>>6888440
>>The girls may have found being called a slave shocking at first, but would have settled into it with time. Those who truly objected to being owned by a caring mistress would have been a small minority.

so knee jerking fear yes, real resistance not really. Shocked people might resist because they're panicking, but they can be quickly brought into line. I imagine the hardest strugglers would be girls who made a name and success for themselves, the rare exception.

Information packets about who girls should belong to if nobody is their direct partner in marriage would be disseminated, including assets like property of the previous legal person instead of pet, and all girls would need to show up to the social service centers to make sure they where both well enslaved with an owner to be registered under, and that they where physically safe.I think it would be a pretty somber experience for most girls.

>>6888920
Did you read ride of the silver dragon?
That manga is awful. well, it sounds like the men are more responsible masters than the assholes who inhabit that world though, tending and caring for our needs and desires.

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>>6888850
>Personally I love Frank Frazetta-style fantasy with busty women clinging to chiseled men.

Who doesn't?

>>6888822
Horses are smarter they get in so much trouble when bored

>>6889631
Dont stall them and instead leave them in a herd and they wont get up to as much trouble.

>>6889616
Lesbians (sometimes)

>>6888920
This sounds a lot like Kitsune and their Starball, All Kitsune are born with a thing called a Starball. Some stories say they must keep it with them either in their mouths or around their neck. Who ever holds the Starball can enslaves the Kitsune it belongs to. Kitsune also have a very low male population the race being mostly female.

I do like the idea of using a stone, speaking into making people think your words and thoughts are theirs changing their moral code, thus brainwashing them.

>>6889665

I don't believe you

>>6889664
yeah, I think female animals have a natural very herding/grouping instinct when compared to males, making woman more sociable then men. I think that's why people tend to get at least two female cats.

>>6889681
Depends on the species, but horses it doesnt matter. They are a prey soecies so they feel very uncomfortable alone or trapped, alone surpassing any discomfort from infighting

>>6889679
You dont believe any lesbian would like that or any lesbian wouldnt like that?

>>6884055
>I'm thinking of writing some erotic fiction on this kind of (wish-fullfillment, magical realm-y) setting, not sure if anyone would be interested in it since there's probably tons of similar works with nearly identical settings...

A little late in saying this, but I would absolutely adore seeing you write something along these lines.

>>6888832
if I'm their owner it'd be like this:
>I decided they'd be bred
>I chose the man
>the female slave is okay with this because it's ME who is putting this together
>she enjoys and consents to the sex, or forces herself through for my sake
>if she becomes pregnant, the man was only the means- I as a female owner was the beginning and the end
>It's me as an owner doing the aftercare and cuddling
>the man slave did the fucking with his penis and that is literally it

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>>6890160
shit, I had to masturbate after writing this

>>6890177
>doing the after care
<3
would any of the girls not want it, but do it anyway for you? or are they all happy to do anything?

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>>6888859
I imagine a cross between arranged marriage and how small time dog breeders do business. Slaves are sold, but not to just anyone who can afford them.

Girl children will stay in the possession of their birth mother's owner (who will usually be their other mother) for at least their first 18 years. Then their guardian will seek an owner for them. The young girl has no direct control over this decision, but her feelings are usually taken into account.

In a lot of cases it will simply be an arrangement between friends. Many women are only comfortable giving their girls to someone they've known for years.

There are also slave fairs where women seeking slaves can meet with those who have slaves to sell. These are festive affairs, where the slaves for sale are often dressed up in eye catching (and revealing) costumes, and show off their talents. Final sales rarely take place at the fair. Usually they just get the ball rolling on what will be a long process of getting to know the potential buyer, and seeing how well the girl takes to her.

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>>6889228
A new government agency was formed to regulate slavery and guard against abuse. During the transition they determined who each girl belongs to. As much as possibly they gave ownership to someone who was already close to the girl. Any girls in a long term relationship with a woman would become the property of their wife/lover. Single girls would become the property of either their closest woman relative (who would be responsible for finding them a long term owner) or a woman friend of their own choice.

Girls with no women in their lives would be taken into the direct possession of the Slavery Regulatory Agency. Women seeking a slave would then come to them to be interviewed and matched with a girl who needed an owner.

Girls who tried to run would be tracked down by SRA agents, and subdued with the minimal force necessary. They would then be interviewed by councilors about their reasons for running, with the ultimate call of placing them with an owner they will be happy with.

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>>6890298
What kind of measures are used to discipline rebellious girls? Are they treated any differently? What about ones with depression or otherwise don't act out, but feel burdened in their roles as docile property. Is it more or less ignored? Are they trained out of such notions? if so, how agressively/tenderly? When a girl doesn't like her suiter but she's made to be sold to them anyway, perhaps becuase their mother thinks it will be a good match, what recourse and misbehaviors does a typical girl normally resort to? Is she completely compliant? or does she resist in some fashion?

I love how oppressive your society feels, the caring elements are central so every extra abuse/abject use of power over a slave girl is even more heightened in it's contrast. these women are a girls friends and benefactors, as well as the ones who will vanquish their independance and free spirit. Enemy ally dichotemies make for the best slave scenarios.

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>>6890317
The cultural belief that underlies all of this is that being owned by a benevolent mistress is what's best for the girls. And that it's the kind of life that they all naturally crave. So when they are rebellious, it is seen as acting out rather than a genuine desire to be free. Most girls do actually accept their slavery, and are relatively happy.

Typical misbehavior is met with punishment on the spot. Spanking is popular. Either with a bare hand, or a blunt instrument like a paddle or hairbrush. Humiliation/shaming is also used. Such as being required to apologize from on her knees, or strip in public. When the punishment is done, the slave's mistress will comfort her with tender touch and loving words. To let her know she's forgiven, and strengthen the bond between them.

When a slave has a pattern of behaving rebelliously despite repeated discipline, or seems chronically unhappy, a different approach is called for. The SRA provides free counseling sessions for troubled slaves. They will try to get to the bottom of what's upsetting the girl, but their goal is to find a way to make her happy as a slave. They will always dismiss desire for freedom as a symptom of some other problem.

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>>6889066
>>6889082
Okay, I'm going to interject here as a third party since this discussion is kind of diluting the thread.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/friend

I don't see any part of that definition that requires that the "friends" must be equals. In our modern society it is typical that friends are equals, but this isn't even always true - a person can be friends with their boss.

Now please give it a rest.

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>>6890107

Would /d/ prefer the story being told from a master's perspective, or from a woman's/slave's point of view? Or both?

Also do you people appreciate a more nuanced and complex storyline over the more common 90% sex 10% goofy-sillyness hentai-storyline?

>>6890730
Nuanced and complex from the slave's point of view. Yuri would be nice but not likely I know. (why are all lesbian slavery erotica always about "straight" subs?)

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>>6890882

So, wait, does the slave have to be lesbian, or does there only have to be lesbian sex /yuri in the story?

A fully homosexual woman/lesbian forced into sex with men would have quite the extra humiliation aspect to it...

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>>6890891
Honestly wouldn't mind that, as I have to read het to find anything to fit my desires in bdsm stories anyway, this would just make the protagonist more empathizable for me than someone who didn't want to be a slave yet craved the dick. That said, I would prefer a lesbian relationship and that was the point of bringing it up.

Never the less, I understand if that doesn't appeal to you. You are the writer after all. If you do go with that idea, I'd vastly prefer it if you don't have her switch sexuality even if she grows obedient, dependent, or even to like her owner over time. That's the kind of thing that ruins stories for me.

It kind of goes without saying but hyperbutch lesbians don't do much for me either. A lot of stories that feature "lesbians" make them into pierced tattooed up mowhawk biker girls for some reason.

These are again just what i'd be interested in. No more, No less.

>>6890957
>A lot of stories that feature "lesbians" make them into pierced tattooed up mowhawk biker girls for some reason.

Genuine lesbians rarely are nothing like the hot carpet-munching erection engineers seen in porn irl, so I guess the butch, tattoeed truck-dykes with pseudocock-clits are an intentional exaggeration used to point out that frustrating fact, you know, like how naturalists used uglyness and coarseness in their art works.

In the future a medical treatment is developed that can make women immortal. Eventually however, the injustice of it only working on women creates too much social tension and the decision is made that all immortal women are to lose their rights and become slaves.

Women who didn't undergo the process are still free. A rare few still volunteer for the process, deciding they would rather live forever than live free. Often they arrange ahead of time who will own them, but this can be unreliable as the person will then be free to sell or treat them as he or she wishes.

Some unscrupulous groups will deliberately perform the operation as a way of getting rid of a woman without actually killing her. Although this is illegal, the charge is far less than murder and the woman is still enslaved, since the process is irreversible.

Slaves are used as servants and entertainment. Rich men and women keep them like pets and often have them tattooed or otherwise physically modified as a kind of fashion statement. Less lucky slaves end up getting owned by businesses that use them as menial service labor or as prostitutes. Slaves are much happier sleeping at the feet of their owner's beds than in mass dorms praying tomorrow will only involve serving drinks and not servicing men.

>>6891258
yeah no, in real life lesbians, like normal people, need to hold a job. Confirmation bias is making you retarded. Sexuality isn't something everyone wears on their sleeve either.

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>>6891379
Don't be ridiculous, lesbians aren't people!

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>>6890730
Okay, so my opinions:
POV - female slave, with perhaps some chapters from the master's POV
setting - Serious. I personally hate self-referential fiction. It can be funny, but the humorous parts should be naturally integrated into the setting, not poking fun at itself. Being too goofy completely breaks immersion.
Also, just my preference, but I'd rather see a straight sub with a male master. Maybe some lesbian play between slaves. Just my preference, though.

>>6891379
>Sexuality isn't something everyone wears on their sleeve either.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME

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>>6890730
>Would /d/ prefer the story being told from a master's perspective, or from a woman's/slave's point of view? Or both?
Most people who are into this, both subs and doms, seem to agree that the slave's point of view is more interesting. Seeing things from both perspectives is good too.

>Also do you people appreciate a more nuanced and complex storyline over the more common 90% sex 10% goofy-sillyness hentai-storyline?
I think just sex and sillyness can work in a visual format like a comic. But a prose story should really dive into the nuances of the relationship, and the slave's conflicting emotions.

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>>6891966
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>>6892169
No, I am infact, not kidding you.
>>6892102
pretty reasonable, most people want material that caters to them.

the main reason to do lesbian is the unique factor, but het always gets more readers, content, etc and therefore I always end up having to read it anyway.

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>>6892299
>but het always gets more readers
>a larger demographic group provides more readers than a smaller one

Gee, who would've thought of that?

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>>6877698
1. Female
2. slave
3. very slight preference for female
4. Harem.
5. The loss of control. The few times in my life i've been completely controlled by someone who valued me, have been the only times i haven't had to fight down terror and self-loathing. My idea of perfect heaven is someone controlling me so completely that i do not even have thoughts or desires of my own. To think what my owner wants me to think. To desire what my owner wants me to desire. Wholly riven of agency of any kind, living not even as a beast of burden but simply a thing. barely living at all.

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>>6892418
why are you so sarcastic and salty?

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>>6890957
>>6892102
>>6892176

Ok then, I had an overview and draft for the story from a master's pov, but I see no reason why I couldn't have some from a slave's as well.

>>6892550

I'm guessing he's because of the double dubs

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>>6892559
think you're going to have her be a lesbian? I want to know weather to get excited or temper my hopes.

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>>6892585

Can't promise anything. I've only written anything with a lesbian pov once, and that was a sappy love-triangle involving a straight guy, a bisexual girl and her lesbian girlfriend.

Then again I'm a straight guy so I suppose it should be easier to get into the shoes of a girl who doesn't crave cock than one who does.

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>>6892636
Fair enough, I'll be waiting regardless though. I'll try to do so patiently, whether she craves dick or not.

>>6892636
>a sappy love-triangle involving a straight guy, a bisexual girl and her lesbian girlfriend.
Sounds like bliss, for the bi girl.

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Here's a very short snippet of fiction set in >>6887885 It's not really a story. Just a brief glimpse into the home life of one woman and her slaves.

http://pastebin.com/gA6ZJDmh

>>6892887
>Dinner could wait

They "were" having dinner already, in a way...

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>>6892887
>dinner could wait
but bad girls.

It's very short and sweet. I loved the conveyance of fear and smallness a girl would have versus a woman in that society the most. The claws of their subservience runs very deep. They where at eachother full throttle and still managed to obey. It paints a picture of the very idea of disobeying a command like that to be something to fear.

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>>6892900
>but bad girls.
Bad girls indeed, but Justine is going to let it slide just this once.

Thanks for the comments. That's pretty much the themes I was going for. That girls have deeply internalized the idea that their owner's commands are law. And by the same token the mistress takes their obedience for granted, not fearing rebellion at all. I'll probably write some more snippets later.

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>>6893004
I'll read them, but I admit I am eager to see some girls break those expectations of obedience. I have a soft spot for non consensual punishment+aftercare on someone who is fighting a battle they know they'll lose over freedom and independence. It just makes those scenes so sweet, the build up where they question everything and resistance, perhaps for now or maybe forever, is just too awful to contemplate anymore. Then their owner whispers that they can be a good girl, they just know it.

Who needs sex when you have that kind of raw feeling to take pleasure in

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My idea is although there's a black market where anybody can be sold without legal documents of ownership, most of it is done on breeding farms.

Slaves are born and whilst growing up they are forced to wrestle with the other slaves, which is set up as an entertainment thing, but also to classify the slaves, the stronger ones are sent off as livestock to work on the farm part, ploughing, tilling, and as carthorses etc. weaker ones are sent to the manor to be domesticated.

Livestock slaves are outranked even by the domesticated slaves and are seen as so lowly that they are only supervised by ranch hands (experienced livestock that have been rewarded) most of the time, and the actual owners will rarely intervene providing food is all accounted for, so they are generally all locked away in one of the barns overnight with all the other animals, except for whichever slaves the ranch hands have chosen for entertainment

Domesticated slaves are trained and punished, (again by aged slaves,) more severely as they are for the Master/Mistress's direct entertainment.

These two groups of slaves are all kept locked in chastity, as used holes would devalue their sale price and many are auctioned off, however ranch hands and trainers can force the bottom rung slaves into any other sexual act.

Acquired slaves (used to be free) are for breeding new slaves, or used as prostitutes.

>>6892418
Anon, the best way to respond to people who are looking for attention is to not respond.

>>6892887
Here's another one:

http://pastebin.com/sRPf9PcU

>>6892426
>extends through her body straight to her vagina
I... don't think it works that way...

>>6892426
chasti-permalock, that's a blast from the past

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>>6893740
>http://pastebin.com/sRPf9PcU
This is extremely hot. just reading her plight makes me completely empathize with that kind of fear. She probably did try to escape at one point, given the previous line of questioning, even if she didn't she seems to know how harsh the punishment will be, it's too much, so we hide in a closet like a silly child.

>>6889082
I'm going to help this anon here. I got what he is trying to say. It's more a female fantasy having so called "slaves" as their friends and even so putting themselves above others

>They would be my friends, just not my equals

Note that >>6887424
is mostly about feelings, the girl wants someone to love her and give her "friends" a "sense of confidence and humanity", she almost derail from the subject that is living in a world with slavery. I personally don't like this kind of thinking, not because I have a personal problem with the person but because it don't fit the fantasy at all, sure there is people who prefer to treat slaves with kindness (I myself), but inserting too much emotional talk in this almost seems like she just want normal affection from a sub, you could get this easily in real life. Totally different from having SLAVES, real slaves.

There is always this girl who want to turn things into a overly romantic setting...

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>>6894165
Having grown up in that world she would understand that running is futile. She would have nowhere to go.

A girl can't get a job. Some work for their mistresses as secretaries and such, but they can't go into a job interview and get hired for pay. So she couldn't maintain the illusion of being a kept slave out on errands for long.

A girl on her own who looks scared or unkempt will draw the attention of authorities. Who will check her against their missing slaves database, and take her home.

If she tried to go back to her family after running away, she would only disappoint them. Then still get sent back to her mistress.

Either way she'd be taken back to her mistress. Where she would be punished, and then kept on a shorter leash for awhile (there might even be a literal leash involved). She would also be questioned about why she did it, and what she thought was going to happen. Which would only further humiliate her, because she would have no answers that didn't sound foolish or petulant even to herself.

In your fantasy environment if a slave breaks the law who gets punished, the slave, the owner or both? If it's the slave what's to stop the owner from ordering them to break the law, if it's the owner what stops the slave from trying to get revenge on their owner by breaking the law?

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>>6894342
>Having grown up in that world she would understand that running is futile. She would have nowhere to go.
when you are panicking this honestly doesn't matter. a closet wont keep her safe either.

>Which would only further humiliate her, because she would have no answers that didn't sound foolish or petulant even to herself.
thats what makes running so humiliating though, the fact that when you are caught by all authorities, you have to acknowledge that you have no logical control over your own actions and are being driven by forces and feelings you have trouble even comprehending.

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>>6894403
in conclusion, the only things that keep you from leaving in that state of fear is just more fear. Either from previous punishments or threat of previous punishments (or more rarely, shame.)

>>6894381

I suppose it's the same as with the situation where someone's dog does something wrong: the owner bears the responsibility, but it's the dog that gets put down.

So both, I guess...

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>>6894403
>>6894412
Running away would itself be very frightening. Not just because of the punishment that would follow, but because it would mean going out into the world alone. She's been dependent on others her entire life.

Of course it would still happen sometimes. There would even be the occasional girl who tries it more than once despite her earlier failure and punishment. At that point they'd start bringing in professionals to try to diagnose what's wrong with her, and prescribe a new training regime to correct the problem.

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>>6894498
>bringing in the professionals.
It's so kind too.
I'm sure we must be very troublesome girls. but We'll learn our place in time.

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>>6877764
>>6877768
>>6877770
Absolutely love this idea.

In general I am fan of VR (in sci-fi) going "not according to plan" due to a user's mistake/getting cocky (pun kinda intended).

>Who can be enslaved?
Female-only but in this context meaning that if you play a male character he gets forcibly turned into a girl.

Masters can be any gender though and it isn't seen as strange for females to have them (in fact they like to have them for in-game boring housework).
There are ways for a character to become male again but they are far and in between (think "legendary" type drops with 1% chance and only really hard mobs with high cooldown dropping them and slavers sniping the location to try and spot escaped slaves).

>What kinds of clothing do people wear?
I personally like "1001 nights" style clothing for such settings, with slaves basically stuck with see-through outfits that are not overly skimpy. Also, with tattoos and/or piercings used by masters either to mark property or just for style (on top of the collars)

>How are slaves used?
Sexual use and various types of housework.

>How are slaves treated?
The NPCs treat them depending on their programming, going the whole spectrum from "sadistic" (stopping short of guro) to "trusting/benevolent master" (who will not force you to do anything but will keep you restrained and bored unless you earn rewards by being obedient).
You can restrict both extremes to some degree if you find the former too harsh and the latter too boring/not challenging enough.

>How is escape handled?
I like the idea of a bounty system and slavers being able to claim escape slaves even if they cannot find out who the owner used to be.
The slave should be able to find a way to "completely" escape by getting rid of the collar (at least from the current master) but other effects from slave training and body modifications (pirciengs/tattos) still being active and marking them as easier prey for slavers than other potential candidates.

>>6894591
>see-through outfits that are not overly skimpy
It's a bra and knickers with frills, how more skimpy can it be?

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Continuing from >>6894591

>>6877770
>How do you build your character?
Possibly a thief/spy-type character to have high picklock, stealth and speech abilities in order to be to escape quickly.
I'd probably enjoy the thrill of possibly losing while wanting to hedge my bets on being able escape quickly.

Bonus challenge: use that build with a wealthy freewoman character whose initial getup and equipment scream "slave" all over without actually starting a slave (piercings, tattoos, locked harem girl equipment, etc) as a sort of "drunk night out" starting game.
See below for details

>What options do you pick for the world? Be creative!
I'd probably limit the sadism and benevolism a bit so neither of the both extremes get out of hand if/when I end up losing.

Additionally, while I wouldn't make it overly hard to escape (unless you end up with a very careful master) I'd make the settings so that completely escaping your status as a "former slave" becomes complicated and leaves you with "slave options" mentioned in >>6877768 as long as you don't lose most of the "gifts" your masters left you, making recapture easy for a long time in-game.

Additionally, such "equipment" would not be easily lost for the same reason. Piercings could only be removed by expert craftsmen (who will mostly only work with slavers/masters unless you properly bribe them or can convince them you are actually a freewoman who got drunk), tattoos being even harder to get rid off and some types of closing being also locked in place (unless you want to cut the cloth and run around naked).

The only (intentional) hole being collars being flawed by design (with some in-game explanation like it being mass-produced/standard issue by decree and their designs well-known enough for underground workshops to be able to easily get rid of them or particularly well-versed slaves to picklock them themselves)

From my start I may or may not have abundant wealth (could be set by RNG), making it complex to stay free.

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>>6894619
>It's a bra and knickers with frills, how more skimpy can it be?
Fair enough, I guess I perceive it as not much worse than "bikini" outfits I tend to see in Southern Europe, California or Brazil but true enough, it would be a far cry from what freewomen could wear.

>>6894591
>Female-only but in this context meaning that if you play a male character he gets forcibly turned into a girl.
How would a female character actually get enslaved under the law, and how would male characters be turned into girls?

>>6894624
>or can convince them you are actually a freewoman who got drunk
That could be a way in which freewomen accidentally end up enslaved.

>and some types of closing being also locked in place (unless you want to cut the cloth and run around naked).
What sort of locked clothing would there be?

>>6894629
But the women in those places would probably not take too kindly to being allowed to wear nothing else 24/7!

>>6894649
>and how would male characters be turned into girls?
I will start with this one. As it is a VR game, I'd use that the standard-issue collars have a built-in transformation spell. Compared to starting as a female character you'd get a random result (based on your male physique).

>How would a female character actually get enslaved under the law
Regardless of male or female a free character would be liable for slavery for either major law-breaking (murder of important NPCs or getting caught with overwhelming evidence of killing a minor one) or accruing enough debt that you cannot repay back to an NPC (or ending up in "debt" if you cannot pay back cummulative fines for minor law-breaking).

Outside of that, slavers that find you far enough from civilization (and without partners) might try to capture you and make a reasonable case for your enslavement - with some being more honest and rescuing you from death but you not being able to pay a reasonable rescue fee and others "rescuing you" (after beating you up) and asking for a ludicrous "rescue fee" you cannot pay back.

>That could be a way in which freewomen accidentally end up enslaved.
Or even intentionally, but think of it more in the context of a "dumb student prank with potentially serious repercussions" or "being purposefully provocative of society without technically breaking any law".
Also, note that I explained about setting up my character explicitly as such a freewoman (or having it as "extra hard" start without going for the "start as a slave" option).

>What sort of locked clothing would there be?
Effectively, "slave outfits" would have a "cursed" effect but could be bought by anyone as a cosplay/roleplay item.
As a freeperson you'd normally acquire them with the necessary curse removal but they could also be used as a prank item (as they do not tag you as a slave on your own). Have enough such cursed equipment though and it becomes a bit hard to explain away.

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>>6894679
Forgot my pic.

>>6894679
>Compared to starting as a female character you'd get a random result (based on your male physique).
So there's an incentive to start as a female character, so you can choose your physique yourself?

>and others "rescuing you" (after beating you up) and asking for a ludicrous "rescue fee" you cannot pay back.
Would they get away with that mostly, or usually get their claim to you thrown out?

>Bonus challenge: use that build with a wealthy freewoman character whose initial getup and equipment scream "slave" all over without actually starting a slave (piercings, tattoos, locked harem girl equipment, etc) as a sort of "drunk night out" starting game.
>Have enough such cursed equipment though and it becomes a bit hard to explain away.
What would happen to you in this situation? Would slave-catchers try to "recapture" you? Who would you appeal to to prove you aren't a slave? What evidence would you need to present to avoid ending up a slave for real?

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>>6894722
>So there's an incentive to start as a female character, so you can choose your physique yourself?
Correct

>Would they get away with that mostly, or usually get their claim to you thrown out?
If it isn't a legitimate fair claim it would get thrown out but the problem would be to judge that for the first time (unless you get an outrageous one) you get rescued. Also, they'd try to get you to sign your freedom away against "concessions".

>What would happen to you in this situation? Would slave-catchers try to "recapture" you? Who would you appeal to to prove you aren't a slave? What evidence would you need to present to avoid ending up a slave for real?
They'd have a better case to make because of your looks (unless you know how to carefully word your rebuttal to the pertinent authority). They also might be doing it because they honestly think you are pulling their leg and if you are extremely bad at conversation you might get yourself into more trouble, not less.

As for appeal, slavers would have to go to a local "judge" or similar authority to validate their claim against your rebuttals (or lack thereof). The burden of proof would be on the slaver but wearing enough slave equipment (the more items the "better" for him) that you cannot explain away would heighten the chances that the judge accepts his claim.
Your own evidence, should you need to proved innocence, would be receipts (if you have them at your home safe for retrieval and didn't have them destroyed by you or the slaver), the seller recognizing you, etc. or alternatively if you only have "witnesses" that could confirm you are free the judge would set an amount for you to pay in escrow while they contact them to prove your innocence (you'd get the money back minus a legal minimum rescue fee way below the slaver's rate).

For free women being rescued or "rescued" they'd just let you retrieve the money with a guard or similar escorting you to retrieve it).

>>6894739
I wonder how many players would pick female characters just so they get to choose their female physique instead of having it selected for them.

>but the problem would be to judge that for the first time (unless you get an outrageous one) you get rescued.
Could someone play it safe by always accusing the rescue fee and circumstances of being ridiculous? Or would that risk an even larger cost if the rescuers are found to be in the right?

>Also, they'd try to get you to sign your freedom away against "concessions".
What do you mean?

>They also might be doing it because they honestly think you are pulling their leg and if you are extremely bad at conversation you might get yourself into more trouble, not less.
You mean they think you're a slave pulling their leg by pretending to be free, which could get you in even more trouble than just becoming a slave, or they think you're pretending to be a slave as a joke and punish you for wasting their time?

>but wearing enough slave equipment (the more items the "better" for him) that you cannot explain away would heighten the chances that the judge accepts his claim.
If you have no receipts or witnesses, what's the bare minimum amount of slave gear that would normally get you presumed to be a slave?

I really like your setting and your pictures are hot.

>>6894068
It's not dead, people still write stories in that universe. I have a couple on the back burner. Still the hottest fantasy I've ever read.

>>6892426
>The few times in my life i've been completely controlled by someone who valued me, have been the only times i haven't had to fight down terror and self-loathing.
How come anon?

>Wholly riven of agency of any kind, living not even as a beast of burden but simply a thing. barely living at all.
That sounds sad.

>very slight preference for female
Are you les/bi?

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>>6894803
>Could someone play it safe by always accusing the rescue fee and circumstances of being ridiculous? Or would that risk an even larger cost if the rescuers are found to be in the right?
It is a risk-reward "on a sliding scale" thing. Sometimes the decision should be easy for you to spot if the fee is reasonable or not but you can still risk pissing the slaver off by trying to get away accusing him of fraud (if you are particularly adept in your speech skills). Someone would check the spot you were supposedly rescued, the slaver's equipment and your own (or if you claim he threw away parts of your equipment somewhere check if they can corroborate it) as well as a background check on previous reports.
You could get fined if the slaver's claim remains valid and how heavy the fine would be depends on how heavy your accusations are - reasonable argument to be made but the judge respectfully disagrees vs defamation of the slaver to the point ruining his reputation.
If you have minor reasonable gripes some might result in a discount without hard feelings.

You'd be reported to the slavers' guild though for future reference based on how insulted the slaver feels (even minor things just so they know you are a bit of "princess" and they prepare their case thoroughly) with the report being thrown away if it is from a disreputable who does shady business while taken seriously if reported by an honest one.
Piss them off enough and they'll extend a blank cheque for the less reputable members to find a way to "collect" on perceived debts to the guild.

By the way, I envision that if you wish you could also try to become a slaver yourself in your own game (and while I would love for an MMO approach the poster who originally plotted the scenario was talking about AI/single player game). Managing reputation would be an fun part to it and knowing the guild from inside might help you, should you end up on the receiving end (though rivals may try to get rid of competition)

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>>6894803
>What do you mean?
Using gaming lingo, imagine you are a noob and don't really have experience in how much a reasonable price actually would be.
You know the price you have been told is beyond your means to pay back even upon going back to the city.
The slaver starts offering you to set certain conditions if you waive the trial altogether by signing a standard form the slaver's have on them.
Honest slavers might use it to offer a discount so you can actually pay back whatever you can or if you really cannot pay back so that you do not give them a hard time in court with frivolous claims in hopes of tem somehow ruling in your favour.

Some of that might be what kind of slave you'd like to be sold as (at least advertised at, once sold the master/mistress might have other ideas) or setting a minimum selling price (in hopes of getting at least a wealthy master who sees you as an investment) amongst other things.

Less scrupulous slavers will try to use this to screw you over by inflating the "rescue fee" and then saying they'll give you carefully worded "concessions" if you waive that pesky burocracy that is the trial.

In any case it would be another layer of risk and the first time it would be hard for you to distinguish which slaver you got, especially if you didn't prepare a "rescue fund" back home.

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>>6894803
>You mean they think you're a slave pulling their leg by pretending to be free, which could get you in even more trouble than just becoming a slave, or they think you're pretending to be a slave as a joke and punish you for wasting their time?
Both.
- Because it seems unlikely you'd have that much slave equipment on you without being at least a former slave (maybe you escaped "legitimately" but it's not unreasonable for them to doubt you)
- Because less understanding slavers might find it actually a nuisance to have people dress like one for fun even if you are wearing just a small thing like a cursed earring/anktlet/etc just on principle of it making their jobs harder, with some having it as a legitimate gripe (in order to discourage as many free people as possible from wearing them) and others because it ruins their "ellaborate" rescue fees if the judges actually suspect a potential slave was indeed just wearing it as "cosplay" and/or suddenly claims that her rescuer gave her some "unwanted gifts" and the judges don't easily dismiss it as "that slave obviously just trying to lie herself free" as such a slaver would put it.
With a whole rang in betwen.

>If you have no receipts or witnesses, what's the bare minimum amount of slave gear that would normally get you presumed to be a slave?
It depends on your speech abilities, if they are abysmal enough even earrings could allow a slaver with high enough experience in spinning those cases to win.
It's unlikely, but not impossible.
With average skills I'd say a "standard costume" (haremgirl biniki + slingsleeves/harempants connecting to "locked/cursed" wristlets/anklets + tiara) would be enough for minor suspicion (they'd pressume innocent but would not outright dismiss the possibility).
From there any other accessories (cursed earrings, piercings, tattoos, etc) and upgrades to that base equipment (example: anklets and/or toerings that disallow footwear or restrict it with a curse to certain objects)

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>>6894803
>I really like your setting and your pictures are hot.
It's not entirely my setting as said earlier though I have designed settings before and I tend to like for them to be flawed (both in your favour and against you).

Still, you flatter me.

I'll expand bit further on >>6896009 in regards to the bare minimum (or rather how much each "layer" of costume makes it harder for you) though if you want to think of baseline for "still cosplay but worth investigating" think of >>6894624 while >>6894739 falls under "getting near the tipping line" as it is ticking most of the first category I mention below so the judge will always investigate even if you have outstanding speech skills (though with those he'll still assume you innocent)

I'd categorize them more or less like this (I'll mention upgrades separately; also one pair of each item mentioned and all assumed/proven to be cursed/locked):
- Adds minimum amount of extra suspicion each: Regular earrings (at least for harem girls, so hoop rings are included here), a rings (one pair hand and one toering per feet), "standard" sandals, one armlet, one necklace. Any extra copies amount of these will upgrade suspiciousness level to...
- "Plain" suspicious (most cosplayers wouldn't wear more than one or two in total from this category): Any piercings outside the ears and the erogenous zones (septum, belly, tongue, lips) or additional pairs earrings/nonstandard earrings (sexual imagery, for example), nonstandard necklaces (same as earrings + "I am a slave/belong to" type of inscriptions), decorative collars (make it just a bit harder to remove "official collars" [game logic/magic helping removal without removing decorative ones] + hide their ugly design while leaving a "permanent gift" to freed slaves), decorative bronz/silver/gold chains (thin) connecting any items together (to piercings, wristlets, armlets, anklets without majorly impeding movement), non-standard footwear (high heels up to 3 inches) or cursed barefeet

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>>6896044
Continued:
- Creates major suspicions (used normally by masters to punish slaves long-term, rarely if ever used by any but very daring cosplayers and even then they might risk one or two in this category): Extremely high heels (4 inches and up), piercings in erogenous zones (nipples considered the least suspicious of them), nonstandard decorative collars, actually restrictive chains (the more restrictive, the more suspicious), decorative chains connecting to erogenous piercings, chastity belts + bra (which only actual masters can unlock unless you get them uncursed), etc.

These ironically act a bit of a red flag if a slaver did "force-gift" them you and you don't really have a history with the authorities (though they can assume you escaped from another city and got lucky). Worst case they'll have to pay for your complete uncursing (which I now realize I only talked about superficially maybe I can expand on it later) and not just the item they "gifted" you
Smart but fiendish slavers will use maybe one or two of them as "blackmail" as they might be able to force you to keep them even if you win a trial if they can avoid it being proven they forced them on you (as opposed to putting a ton of things on you, especially if you were already wearing some cursed outfits on your own, as they can probably now use witnesses against you if those witnesses cannot say for sure you didn't get those items).

Other elements would include upgrades like completely see-through clothing + upgraded curses that combo each other like restricting what free equipment you can wear or disallowing it completely for certain body zones only allowing for more cursed equipment (or getting "better" equipment with the same curses). Tattoos would also affect you based on if them being purely decorative or having certain "slave-like" elements to them (degrading language, sexual elements, etc).

>>6896077
With all this said, I'd like to mention a few factors that would make it less suspicious while mentioning uncursing (if I have space in it in this post).

Winning a case will register you in the court system and unless your last trial was a long time ago it will get any new cases immediately dismissed. The court will give you special "standard wristlet" that has a "curse" that lasts two weeks so slavers can leave you alone for a while (after that period you are supposed to return it or pay a fine; there is still the official database of your last trial which will heighten your chance of another dismissal unless the trial was inconclusive or you lost in which case it could hurt your chances). They are expensive so the losing party will offer concessions just so they don't have to pay for them.
There are similar wristlets that work the same way but leaving you "in escrow" until you pay the legal fees (if you don't have someone who can fetch them for you) and it has a shorter duration, after which the slaver could claim you. You are assigned a guard to follow you (both to protect you and to avoid your escape).

By the way, while I mostly mentioned being captured outside the city, slavers do have the possibility to capture you in-town (though being able to "sneak gifts" becomes harder) though they will have to pay higher trial fees if they lose or cannot convince the judge enough to have you pay the legal fees even if you get set free; though as said above you don't have to worry for a while after that for two weeks if you end up with the official wristlet (the slaver might force you to get it even if you don't want it just to hike up the legal fees).

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>>6896122
Forgot my picture.

Continued:
Certain jobs will make your claim towards "just cosplaying" more reasonable, and in some cases those professions will get a court-issues "free" wristlet despite the outrageous price:
- Actresses: Provided you aren't part of a slave acting troupe (which do pop up from time to time) you could end up in a situation where you wear these. The reason is that the high supply makes them cheaper than getting proper costumes so cheapskate troupes will use them (or have the actress choose between wearing those or paying for a proper costume). Some dedicated actresses prefer them though for their realism and if they are popular enough that it is know to be their "regular attire" most slavers won't bother them (except the occassional rookie)
- Slavers: While it may sound counter-intuitive at first, some slavers will use slave equipment as a way to gain a potential slave's trust. While it does make capture outside cities more complicated the few who have specialized in this type of "hunting" tend to be very adept at it, sometimes wearing full-time for months (with very few notable exceptions deciding to wear it full-time). They also claim it makes it easier for them to think the way their "prey" does and seem to have a lower rate of "false captures" due to this (though not perfect). "Ye Olde Guard" doesn't particularly like it but even they see it as a clever and valid tactic if it produces results (with the exception of the staunchest conservatives who'd just use slaves themselves they have "wipped into obedience" as a bait). The guild has their own internal records of these members to avoid the high court fees but while they are kept relatively secure they are not as tamper-proof compared to the official court database. Also, they are only used to register guild members (as there'd be incentive to tamper with outsiders' records). It's also a risky proposition due to some unaware colleagues or slaver's from other town mistaking them.

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>>6896136
Continued:
- Costume- and curse-designers (+ their employees): While they will often just hire models (or offer it to willing fans "for free" for testing purposes, though it can backfire and they'd be liable) some designers prefer trying out their creations on themselves to improve them both for comfort of the wearer as well as figuring out how to improve security. they tend be the ones getting the "freedom" wristlets (sometimes long-time permits with enough burocracy as opposed to paying high amounts but they are very limited) so as to be able to wear their creations for enough time uninterrupted to figure how comfortable they are as well as to figure out weak links in their design. It is not unheard of that they forget to renew either the permit of the wristlet (or in some occassions forego it for short times) but most experienced slavers avoid capturing famous designers as the case will almost inevitably get thrown out. Some will do regardless on principle (see above, they'd prefer they'd hire slaves for that) though a few select bunch of slavers have managed to win such cases with enough preparation, even if it was just symbolic (either making them pay fees or getting a court order to "force-upgrade" the equipment against waiving the fees, meaning its not the designers own cursed items, which can be a pain to then get rid off as they'll refuse to get the original maker's "remedy")
They also do occassionally screw up by making certain designs too secure or getting themselves pemanently locked in (they will avoid trying such designs on models for liabilities and getting a slave permanently locked means they cannot use them for other designs anymore). Some actually see it a badge of honor to prove their designs are that good though unless they have proven record of such secure designs people will assume they are either lying for attention or are too incompetent to get out of their own design.

Next stop: uncursing

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>>6896142
Continued:
These last group of people are in charge of also providing a remedy to their curse.
Stores are not allowed to sell an item without a way to buy the "remedy" at their store (which is attuned to the item with unlimited unlockings), so truly tamper-proof designs are not officially sold (and most sellers won't risk their reputation while shady sellers are probably not good enough to make their stuff truly tamper-proof).
They like to sell both to masters and free people to expand their market. Both groups obviously act differently in what they want but there are certain patterns:
- Sellers will often ask for a premium on the remedy unless the client comes back at a later date discounts after certain periods of time (most sellers will drop the price to an affordable range for standard equipment after a month, with bargains during certain events).
- They will offer renting services for freewomen who enter the store and leave with their desired outfit with a flat fee for later release (depending on time spent). If you want to leave the store without wearing an item you have to actually buy it and they won't apply the discount for the remedy until the person that ends up wearing it comes by the store. These tend to be the prankster customers but it's not always the case.
- If masters buy the equipment (and forego getting the remedy completely) their slave will get added to the database for "no discounts" on the items bought should they ever come to the store by themselves (regardless of freed or not). This is a way for the store-owners to avoid having to figure out if a former slave is truly "former" but not sour future sales to that slave. Exception to this is the court-wristlet as it will prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt, however...
- Masters will often buy upgrades to curses which require more poweful remedies (or combined remedies).
- These may also be sold to pranksters but at a certain level only if they wear said item too (rented or bought).

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>>6896175
Continued (hopefully final, I am not sure how many will care for this elaborate scenario spun off a simpler idea):
- Like locks, very generic curses will be able to be uncursed through other means or 3rd party sellers. The more complex the curse, the less likely they'll be able to help you on the cheap and they might instead trigger upgrades for the more complicated curses. Try at your own risk. They are not allowed to intentionally upgrade curses and are only tolerated, as getting enough people accidentally "upgraded" would get them in trouble with authorities (noth because they could be putting freewomen into trouble who want to uncurse on the cheap and because they do not tend to care too much if "former" slaves go there for cheaper remedies).
- Items tend to be priced at depending on their place in the table in >>6896044 + >>6896077 both because it's normally wealthy master who'll get the more secure/more revealing outfits and because the standard curses coming with those items tend to be more secure.
- Remedy replacements from official stores are available but unless you still have the original for a copy they will ask for a hefty premium.


Finally, it is worth mentioning that a lot of the equipment sold through these stores tends to be high-quality while being cheaper than uncursed equipment both because of high supply and because the store-owners can get away with just charging higher prices for uncursed clothing.

They use certain tricks to curtail a second hand market:
- This cursed "slave equipment" has designs you won't find for "free equipment", even if the cloth might be the same quality (it helps the slave design uses less cloth)
- Slave equipment might be acceptable in parties/for fun and even informal settings but is not normally seen as acceptable formal or business attire. Exceptions may be made depending on job (as said above + less judging professions) or circumstances (knowing that it is just time-limited).

>>6895938
How can slaves get freed?

>It's not entirely my setting as said earlier though I have designed settings before and I tend to like for them to be flawed (both in your favour and against you).
I like when there's bias against you to make it hard, but not impossible, to stay free. But not so tricky that it isn't your own fault when you don't.

The setting captures that with the courts which can get you freed if you know what you're doing or enslaved if you don't.

>(and while I would love for an MMO approach the poster who originally plotted the scenario was talking about AI/single player game)
You don't need to stick with that premise, even though it was the justification for deciding your own rules to the setting. I think it's better as an MMO and I like the setting as a fantasy setting in itself, never mind the thousands of years in stasis in space prompt.

>>6896221
>I am not sure how many will care for this elaborate scenario spun off a simpler idea
Would you like to chat about it elsewhere? Perhaps even roleplay?

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>>6896302
>How can slaves get freed?
Depending on their nature of their enslavement (barring them trying to escape, see below):
- Major crimes end up with permanent enslavement unless you manage to escape or your master/mistress has no option but to release you. You also get minimum curse requirements for your equipment
- Temporary enslavement (thrall): Most commonly related to being unable to pay back fees (rescue and/or trial fees) but not high enough to justify permanent enslavement. You either work for the slaver's guild to help them out in random tasks (not outdoor assignments) until you have paid back your debts (with standardized going rates) and your body is basically being "held in escrow" with the equipment. The slavers are allowed to add to your equipment based on the lowest category of harshness if they wish to spend more money off their own pocket.
- "Debt enslaverment": You cannot pay back within a year. The slaver can sell you off to cover the legal costs + a profit. You can technically get out of this one by paying back whatever your master paid for you (using the slaver's going rate as "repayment" each day) but otherwise it's the same as the major crime category minus mandatory minimum curses. Additionally, you do have some minor rights against abusive masters that criminals don't get but once a master is found to be abusive they are banned from buying anything but criminals
- Additionally, if you are suspicious of having been a "former slave" and you cannot prove you escaped "legally", depending on trial decision you would end up in a special category with mandatory minimum cursed equipment but with a maximum time of two years (as you have committed no proper crime unless they actually prove you are an escaped slave and just return you to your owner).

>The setting captures that with the courts which can get you freed if you know what you're doing or enslaved if you don't.
Which I find interesting. Not many writers go for that approach though.

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>>6896302
>I think it's better as an MMO and I like the setting as a fantasy setting in itself, never mind the thousands of years in stasis in space prompt.
I guess it does stand on its own and I may have spun it off so far it's not really that related to the original premise.

As an MMO it might be interesting as a mix of NPCs and players interacting in this scenario (and having to adapt accordingly).

>Would you like to chat about it elsewhere? Perhaps even roleplay?
I haven't really done so in a long time. I am not even sure what roleplaying platforms would be popular/commonplace for this kind of scenario.

I am open to the idea though I am a better scenario writer than roleplayer.

>>6896342
>Additionally, if you are suspicious of having been a "former slave" and you cannot prove you escaped "legally", depending on trial decision you would end up in a special category
So you can end up enslaved legally without being found to have been a slave or committing a crime/falling into debt, just because the suspicion of being a slave? That's harsh but I like it.

>Which I find interesting. Not many writers go for that approach though.
I like it because it makes the slave's situation all her own fault. She's not a mere victim of circumstance, she's enslaved because she didn't have a fund to pay her rescuers, because she dressed as a slave, because she made a bad case for herself in the court.

>>6896350
>As an MMO it might be interesting as a mix of NPCs and players interacting in this scenario (and having to adapt accordingly).
How would it adapt for players interacting?

>I am not even sure what roleplaying platforms would be popular/commonplace for this kind of scenario.
F-List has private messages and chat. We could just exchange emails.

We can just share more slavery ideas without roleplay, but with the option for it if we find a scenario we'd both like to play.

>>6877698


>1. What's your gender?
F (mtf)
>2. Do you want to be a slave or an owner?
Slave
>3. What gender would you want your slave(s)/owner to be?
M
>4. Harem or individual slave?
Individual
>5. What about this fetish appeals to you?
The complete subservience and having no control. Also pleasing the master and being good is very rewarding.

>>6896404
Why are transgirls so subby?

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>>6896417
I'm going to bet most of them are trans as a fetish (Whether they realize it or not), and it's more that they want to be transformed into something more appealing to a hypothetical Master as a means of expressing how submissive they naturally are.

Either that or they want to get fucked like a woman and fill the traditionally feminine submissive role to emphasize the fact that they're not men.


Could be wrong. That's how I see it though.

>>6896446

I imagine some are agp, but for a lot its just a few crossed wires in the brain. I don't associate mine sexually except when I'm in the mood. Otherwise it's just a natural state of being.

As for why transwomen are more subby, I'd reckon its because we aren't as likely to reject traditional female roles and we didn't have the option to take them for granted. Probably we gravitate towards those because it reinforces how we feel, some find it's not really their style and express themselves otherwise, some stay pretty femme.

Generally hormones are the agp (autogynophilia) filter, for those who are trans they make you feel way better and more normal, if you're not then they tend to be a bad time.

It cleared up a five year depressive streak for me and I can function and don't feel the need to run from my life anymore. Soooo its hit and miss depending on the person really.

>>6896446
Or being submissive leads to wanting the traditionally feminine role, and therefore to being a woman?

>>6896460
>if you're not then they tend to be a bad time.
What do they do if you're not?

>>6896463

It can cause feelings of depression, listlessness, anxiety, etc. I imagine there are some agp who aren't affected, cause people are weird and so variable. I can't see a person who is AGP going full-time for the rest of their life though. After the novelty began wearing off they'd probably develop gender dysphoria and detransition lol.

>>6896473
If that happened, the novelty wore off and they detransitioned, would they be happy being male at that point?

>>6896488

Who knows, really they never stopped being male because that was their gender, just obfuscated by the fetish. I would say they probably would have a new appreciation for it, maybe they'd still crossdress, maybe not.

There's a lot of stuff that is a part of the female experience: issues of safety, not being taken as seriously by people, being beholden by emotions (in comparison, damn they strong), men making advances a lot, etc. Annoying sides for both gender, I think the AGP would find those really bad instead of just part of the cake.

I think this is on topic because it provides fuel for thought for threads like these, feminization, and others.

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>>6877701
>What is the world like?
Slavery is a system that resolves debt, personal, finacial, whatever. The slaves are to be kept alive and (more or less) unharmed.
It is only temporarily, you serve for a limited amount of time and then you are free and resolved of your debt. It is enforcable by court, but most slaves do it out of need, or for small debts, because it is easier to just work (or "work" :^) ) for someone a day or too and thats it.
>Who are the slaves?
They can be anyone, tough obviously weaker socio-economic classes are more affected, especially with longer term slavery
>Who are the masters/mistresses?
The people they are endebded to. most of the services they demand are normal, but more than often things can get sexually exploitative.
>What role do you like to imagine yourself in?
Ordinary person, serving a bit here and there and having slaves once in a while

>If you got the slave of your dreams today what would you do with them?
Let out my sexual frustration on them...Id have her suck my dick under the desk and after that id ready her up for some ass fucking via long, buttplay session
>If you were given to your ideal owner, what would you want them to do with you?
let out thier sexual frustration on me...

>>6896496
>issues of safety
You mean being physically weaker?

>being beholden by emotions (in comparison, damn they strong)
Can you describe the difference?

What are the other parts that would put off AGP?

I agree about the relevance. I'm surprised this came up here not in a TG or Globalized Fetish thread.

>>6896501

I'm a lot weaker than I was before I started transitioning, and I was a stick then too. Even have a hell of a time with some jar lids. So it's more difficult to protect myself without a weapon and emotions play a bigger role in the fear response.

I would say I react more instinctively with emotions, whereas before it was far easier to compartmentalize and handle them. Additionally it seems like there is a more exaggerated response to good and bad emotions. Emotions also tend to become part of logic instead of a separate thing, which doesn't really promote effective thinking. I don't mind although its frustrating cause I do stupid shit because of them more often.

Although I'm definitely way more empathetic than I used to be.

Iunno, I'd say aging would be a big one. I couldn't see myself aging as a man, it's literally horrifying, and my body and face before and early into transition caused me great discomfort and sadness.

I can see myself aging as a woman, even into a nonattractive one and still being fairly happy with it because I'm a woman. So beauty, along with aging, would be another big pull. I didn't care about being a beautiful woman, I just wanted to be recognized as a woman, and at the least be somewhat attractive.

Can't really remark on transbians or the people who want to be little girls, I think maybe the likelihood of agp is higher but I'm not gonna judge them cause it's not my experience. More professional scientific research should be done to examine many of these situations and issues.

>>6896511
>Emotions also tend to become part of logic instead of a separate thing, which doesn't really promote effective thinking.
What is that like? It's hard to imagine the distinction.

>Although I'm definitely way more empathetic than I used to be.
Is that mainly good or bad? How does it affect your day to day life?

>I didn't care about being a beautiful woman, I just wanted to be recognized as a woman
Does that mean your dysphoria is social more than physical?

>>6896522

Imagine your thoughts are there but there's fog partly concealing them. You know how you feel and what you want to say, but you gotta wade through it a bit.

Definitely good, I feel like I connect to and understand people way better. There's definitely a type of relief in sharing in ones pain and having others feel yours.

It's definitely both. I couldn't stand my body or my face before transitioning and I use to fall into weeks of severe depression after having sex, along with using alcohol to cope.

I think the social informs the perception of the physical to an extent, and to pass is to receive that affirmation that people see you as what you identify as. Some transpeople never see themselves as passing because their dysphoria is so strong, and they ignore the social affirmation and continue to live a depressed existence.

So even among passing ones, joblessness and suicide is higher than average cis people.

>>6896446
>fetish
Given the reduced sexual desire and capacity, and potential for inability to orgasm during sex from complications of surgery, and it's not hard to see why this is crazy talk. You only go through with it if you want to be a girl period. The system is also rigged to prevent this kind of mistake.

>>6896775
What percentage of people that identify as trans in threads like this are actually on hormones, let alone had surgery?

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>>6896783
How should I know?
>>6896511
I'd be surprised if everyone had the experiences you had. I'd guess your experiences must be pretty rare. Extrapolation from your post if they aren't rare is a can of worms might sink the thread though.

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>>6893740
This one's a bit different. It was turning out to be almost entirely dialogue. So I decided to just do it in the format of a transcript.

http://pastebin.com/QvkatJeE

>>6897033
The format works very very. Very hot. Please continue it. I'd like to hear the conversation with her mistress too.

>>6896136
Waaaait a minute. That's a humanized Princess Celestia from My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.

I'll be honest, I'm not complaining, but I will call it out. Yay ponies.

>>6897033
I hate transcript stories, its fine for something small like this but i'd never read a full story in one.

>>6897033
after having read this I can say it's another very nice gem. though it'd been nice if we got to see more than a transcript. perhaps from the psychologists perspective we could know what conclusions she's coming to.

>>6897053 well on topic have you heard of Fall of Equestria? It started out as a series of pics that showed the Female population of Equestra drawn as anthros enslaved into sex animals by a foreign invasion. Now there also cannon fics that the creator commissioned.

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>>6897467
Fall of equestrian is objectively awful. even as a sub fantasy.
Literally lets take half of our workforce and make them too busy being raped to work, this will make all the men who have to now work all of their jobs happy.

At least here most slaves are expected to do work of some kind. Even if it's house work.

Personally, I'd like to just go to the Bunny Ranch and see how much the girls there charge to roleplay being bought as Conan/Frazetta esque slave girls

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>>6896361
>So you can end up enslaved legally without being found to have been a slave or committing a crime/falling into debt, just because the suspicion of being a slave? That's harsh but I like it.
You still have to consider that that is the maximum "penalty" which is still lenient if you view it from the perspective of you potentially being a legit escaped slave while not being too punitive for whoever screwed up big time in their defense.

There'd still be situations and rulings in-between full victory for the "slave" (getting full remedy covered regardless on if you plan on using them + the "freedom wristlet") vs full victory for the slaver (explained earlier). Just to name a few (where the "slave" may or may not just be a cosplayer):
- "Unreasonable mistake" from slaver: they were basically gambling on enslaving you on very flimsy evidence/one or two minor items you were wearing (or if you were very good at your defense even though you were wearing "sttandard equipment"). Is just a step short from the full victory for a suspected slave.
- "Reasonable mistake" from slaver: judge rules that the slaver had reasonable suspicions but non-the-less shouldn't just pull the trigger on any cosplayer they come across unless they have some other evidence or at least probably circumstances. Slaver pays fees and possibly some of the "slave" demands
- Tie: Short of using a more legalistic term. The judge considers the slaver may be on to something but sees no ground to detain the "cosplayer". Legal fees are split and "freedom wristlet" is only paid if both parties agree to it.
- "Reasonably suspicious": The slaver has failed to prove your guilt but the judge considers your defense not convincing enough. You are charged with the legal fees (as an incentive to get your documentation in order)
- "Unproven": The judge is convinced you are probably an escaped slave but is letting you escape on grounds that he does not completely discount ineptitude

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>>6896361
>I like it because it makes the slave's situation all her own fault. She's not a mere victim of circumstance, she's enslaved because she didn't have a fund to pay her rescuers, because she dressed as a slave, because she made a bad case for herself in the court.
There are probably a few more circumstances I could think up but yeah, the idea is that the rules are relatively well-known (even if you might still fail to lack of experience to some degree) but it shouldn't be complicated to at least avoid the worst outcome.

>How would it adapt for players interacting?
I'd probably have to redesign/rethink some aspects of it, not to mention define which roles players can have and which roles are treated strictly by NPCs.

>F-List has private messages and chat. We could just exchange emails.
I thought it was a Furry role playing site so I had never checked it out. Will maybe check it out later.

>We can just share more slavery ideas without roleplay, but with the option for it if we find a scenario we'd both like to play.
Fair enough.

>>6877695
Who is this artist? I know it but I don't know it.

>>6897827
>You still have to consider that that is the maximum "penalty" which is still lenient if you view it from the perspective of you potentially being a legit escaped slave while not being too punitive for whoever screwed up big time in their defense.
True. I do find it hot when there is a custom that some punishment should take place even when it may be undeserved.

>Tie: Short of using a more legalistic term. The judge considers the slaver may be on to something but sees no ground to detain the "cosplayer". Legal fees are split and "freedom wristlet" is only paid if both parties agree to it.
So there is a presumption of innocence of a kind, but with a financial penalty still.

>"Unproven": The judge is convinced you are probably an escaped slave but is letting you escape on grounds that he does not completely discount ineptitude
This is where I would be very harsh and say slavery is appropriate, all things considered, even if I might simply be inept.

>>6897843
>There are probably a few more circumstances I could think up
If you do, I hope you'll post them!

>not to mention define which roles players can have and which roles are treated strictly by NPCs.
Why not let players have every role? Merchants who may be called up as witnesses, judges having to make rulings, slavers guild officials keeping track of known slaves.

>I thought it was a Furry role playing site
It was to start with, but now there's a huge number of non-furry roleplayers. There's a humans only option for your profile and you can exclude furry players when searching profiles.

You can make a profile that's a setting or selection of ideas instead of a single character, so you could literally paste what you've written as a profile if you wanted.

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Posting a picture I always found interesting as concept even if the art itself is not perfect.

>>6897892
>So there is a presumption of innocence of a kind, but with a financial penalty still.
Mainly for both of you (cosplayer and slaver) wasting everyone's time, hence it is being split equally.

>This is where I would be very harsh and say slavery is appropriate, all things considered, even if I might simply be inept.
Do you have suggestions? Maybe "debt slavery" to the slaver's guild as explained a few posts earlier even if you had the money to pay it off?

>If you do, I hope you'll post them!
Well, as discussed since the very beginning, pranks may be a factor (with the equivalent of april fool's making such gifts very popular). To some degree people are expected to be fair sports when getting such gifts (and may even do a sort of "secret santa" deal). However, more overkill pranksters might go well beyond what is normally seen as reasonable during that time and the season is known to be taken advantadge by actual slaves to blend into the population.

The same might happen during a halloween/"costume" season.

In both occassions, some people might try to outdare (or outdazzle) each other, maybe to points they might regret the day after.

I also mentioned that certain jobs (maybe even quests) may have you in situations where you end up wearing them out of necessity.

In any of those cases, the player may have been in situations where they might be able to some degree to keep necessary infos ready if needed but still end up with outfits that raise suspicions beyond their ability (due to lack of experience) to get at least a tie.

>Why not let players have every role?
Have them, yes, but you'd still NPCs to cover some spots. Also, sadistic player judges could just rule slaver victory regardless of evidence so I like the idea of the court system being NPC-driven to ensure its impartiality (even if it may have weakpoints experienced players can exploit).

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>>6897892
>It was to start with, but now there's a huge number of non-furry roleplayers. There's a humans only option for your profile and you can exclude furry players when searching profiles.
>You can make a profile that's a setting or selection of ideas instead of a single character, so you could literally paste what you've written as a profile if you wanted.
I used a dummy account to check out the interface.
It's not exactly beginner-friendly but I may spend some time figuring out things.

Feel free to post a profile but just be aware I am still figuring it out so I'll mostly stick to these threads for now.

While we are at it though, I couldn't find "slave/haremgirl" as a fetish and I am still trying to figure out if there is a group there that falls in that (vague) category.

>>6897926
>Posting a picture I always found interesting as concept even if the art itself is not perfect.
I like the way it brings harem slavegirls into the modern day. I prefer an owner though, to mutual-ownership. I love the regret of getting more than she bargained for.

>Do you have suggestions? Maybe "debt slavery" to the slaver's guild as explained a few posts earlier even if you had the money to pay it off?
That could be it, or just a fine that I may be able to pay off. But my tastes would have the setting be harsher overall.

>In both occassions, some people might try to outdare (or outdazzle) each other, maybe to points they might regret the day after.
>I also mentioned that certain jobs (maybe even quests) may have you in situations where you end up wearing them out of necessity.
So easy to slip up and go too far or forget that you may need to prove you're not a slave even while disguised as one.

>Also, sadistic player judges could just rule slaver victory regardless of evidence so I like the idea of the court system being NPC-driven to ensure its impartiality
I'd make have the whole system be more variable, with some judges who sides with slavers and some who side with slaves.

Maybe juries players can serve on?

>>6897935
>I used a dummy account to check out the interface.
>It's not exactly beginner-friendly
It is confusing. Accounts and profiles are different: you can have multiple profiles (characters) with a single account, and the account itself isn't seen by other users.

>I couldn't find "slave/haremgirl" as a fetish
You can add both as custom kinks and you can search profiles by custom kinks/description to find other players into the same. I don't actually have a slavery focused profile yet.

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>>6897944
>I love the regret of getting more than she bargained for.
I think she is getting exactly what she bargained but she suddenly realize "wait, you weren't just being hyperbolic".

>I prefer an owner though, to mutual-ownership.
I just find the concept interesting that the "slaver" and "slave" guild being the same organization (with it being run by slaves "for slaves") but that would be a separate setting to be explored.

>But my tastes would have the setting be harsher overall.
Be my guest. Let's assume depending on which town you visit in-game laws are harsher or more lenient (as opposed to the single-player where you limitted it yourself in a menu).
What would your "less-noob-friendly" city enforce instead and how would it differ from what I described so far.

>So easy to slip up and go too far or forget that you may need to prove you're not a slave even while disguised as one.
To be fair, I envision trials to adjust for that situation during those time periods (and slavers in general also paying more attention which prey they pick) but as the weeks go on and you haven't gotten your remedy; prankster was supposed to give it to you and/or with "secret santa" situations you are supposed to all be on a budget and may only find out after the fact the outfit you get actually has expensive remedies and you cannot hold your "santa" accountable for those expenses so you end up either paying more or having to wearing longer until you can reasonably pay it off.

>I'd make have the whole system be more variable, with some judges who sides with slavers and some who side with slaves.
I don't disagree with RNGods being fickle within certain ranges though slavers and "slaves" shouldn't be able to predict which one they'll end up getting.

>Maybe juries players can serve on?
It can still lead to unbalanced situations but I can get behind "juries" being able to input potential punishments/decisions (decided then by RNG) for the loser of the trial

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>>6897944
>It is confusing. Accounts and profiles are different: you can have multiple profiles (characters) with a single account, and the account itself isn't seen by other users.
Yeah, still getting used to it, don't think I'll start using it yet.

>You can add both as custom kinks and you can search profiles by custom kinks/description to find other players into the same. I don't actually have a slavery focused profile yet.
It's still a bit suboptimal but given I am not an expert on role-playing sites it may have to do down the road.

>>6897490 yeah I only really like it because I'm a sucker of forced/causal nudity stories. I think FoE is one most well know MLP enslavement stories/stuff.

One of the writers of the FoE stories called Schorl Tourmaline has her own MLP anthro enslavement stories called Equestria Trainers' Society witch has people be enslaved to force then to work for their owners or just kept as something to own. New slaves are trained by striping naked, caged and drug to be horny until they are brainwashed. Even the masters are a kind of slave to a higher master who punish masters who miss treat their slaves.

>>6884258
>fapping to RA2 sprites
challenge accepted

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>>6898007
Tourmaline's setting isn't half bad. it kind of takes its cues from rise of the silver dragon though, and I hated that, so there's a little irrational distaste for it. the aims on the main six also makes it impossible to root for the slavers victory. Though it does make it very advantageous for the society, it will leave equestria vulnerable to external threats.

I think what I like most though is the exotic theme of it. Slavery isn't just enforced but you have all kinds of different fantasy races, which makes the idea of self inserting into the fantasy in your imagination a lot more satisfying, and with Rarity in the fold there's a lot of room for heroic and otherwise non scumbag owners for inter-society conflict.

I have a few ideas circling in my mind already.

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>>6897033
>>6897051
>>6897291
>>6897293
I wasn't originally going to do it as a transcript, but it was just two people sitting in a room talking. And I didn't really want to dive into their thoughts. Not knowing what the doctor was really thinking helped set the mood. And getting insight into the slave's thoughts was the whole point of the dialogue.

Having said that, here's a follow-up where we see what she says to the mistress. It's still mostly two people talking, but not in transcript form.

http://pastebin.com/Ye5bMCnN

>>6898099
I suppose I don't like to self insert,

I like to imagine what ever cartoon or anime I been watching lately get invaded and enslaved vampire like humans that feed off the emotion of their victims being dominated spiced sexual molestation.

That or I just imagine all the female character striped naked and turned to pets, even think how the series or episode would turn out if the was enslaved/pet to the male characters.

>>6882597
> he thinks men are smarter

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>>6898165
>http://pastebin.com/Ye5bMCnN
Heights seems like a tough nut to crack. but even if its against her nature she would probably pick a few things to give her slave control over occasionally. It's wonderful to see that view from the therapist too, her assessment seems somewhat biased to me but thats to be expected in a system that promotes slavery. the feeling of being made into nothing but a puppet must be pretty common among troubled girls who have hard owners. I can imagine laying my head on an owners lap for hours as they enjoy their day while my options are very limited, they could select the clothes, the tv shows, the dinner, my schedual, when I can even go out, when sex happens, when talking happens. I don't want many of those things to happen, but they could and I wouldn't be able to raise a finger in my defense. It'd be so easy to feel like I'm not even a person, I'd be lost in a daze, only thinking of my owner. A way for me to escape my drudgery is embrace my bondage in an unhealthy way, becoming obsessed with my owner, fantasizing constantly about their praise and approval. Once all fight has been broken out of me, unless my owner gave me breathing room to be myself too that would be the end result. A girl who can only see her owner.

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>>6898192
I don't often either, but it's fun in pony land since humans can be treated as exotic and somewhat dangerous beings, like minotaurs or the like. Mostly I can get by with dropping in another human who isn't me and seeing how she runs though. That's a bit harder for this setting though because I don't want them strong enough to just avoid slavery, yet they must be powerful enough to require special attention. Currently though I have a fun duo stand in as the dangerous new product for the Tamers Society.

I try to otherwise modify the world very little though. Though your fantasy could easily be facilitated by changelings. They are basically the non eroticized version of what you are talking about.

>>6882600
>searched, artist is izayoi sakuya.jpg
Hey, there. Character is Izayoi Sakuya; artist is as109.

>>6897926
I've seen that image before, but I can never figure out how "mutual ownership slavery" is slavery at all. Unless they take turns being the mistress or something like that.

>>6898894
I think they mean that the girls are all slaves together or something

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>>6898894
>>6898898
The easiest way for me to explain it would be for you to imagine if a scenario where the slaver's guild is run exclusively by slaves (who only rent/lease their members rather than permanently selling them).

They are in charge both of hunting runaway slaves while having authority to recall leases on bad masters (be it that they aren't paying or they are not complying with limitation the guild would set in how they can use the slaves).
It may sound "communistic/socialist" and to some degree it is but medieval guilds also operated in a similar fashion only allowing guild members to produce specific products while also making sure nobody engaged in true competition (which depending on your views is communistic like the 5 year plans or capitalistic because it becomes a small-scale cartel/oligopoly).

>>6897467
Wut. No I haven't heard of these. You're saying that Faust commissioned fics?

>>6899569
No, creator of Fall of Equestria

>>6899224
Sounds a little like Serfdom, witch is either renting your self out as a slave for a set period of time. Or you your self is free person but all of your stuff is given to you by a master who can just as easy take it away.

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>>6899224
But if the "slaves" are in charge of the guild, setting their own rules and receiving the money paid for their service, are they really slaves?

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>>6900196
>Sounds a little like Serfdom, witch is either renting your self out as a slave for a set period of time. Or you your self is free person but all of your stuff is given to you by a master who can just as easy take it away.
Think that but on "Guild/Company" level where every stockholder is at the same time "property" of the company (and you only get a single share, it's not transferable).
>>6900356
>But if the "slaves" are in charge of the guild, setting their own rules and receiving the money paid for their service, are they really slaves?
Well, that is the real question.
I'd say so because it is implied membership is for life with no way back out which in some sense is stricter than most types of slavery seen in history and different types of media (fantasy, sci-fi, etc).
On the other hand, if only slaves can truly "own" slaves it means your owners are liable to go through the same experiences you do (and you yourself can get the same rules applied you can apply to "your slaves").

Also, while rented out (or in serfdom if >>6900196 prefers that technicality) your master still gets to dictate whatever they want to you unless they violate some red line.

>receiving the money paid for their service,
That may not necessarily be the case, it could be that the profits go directly to the guild and not so much that the slaves get paid like employees.

Not saying it is not a possible alternative, just that it doesn't have to be necessary for a slaver's guild run by slaves to pay salary.

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>>6900999
>I'd say so because it is implied membership is for life with no way back out
That makes some sense. Though you'd think they'd at least want to set up a retirement program for themselves. Especially if their services are mostly sexual.

>your master still gets to dictate whatever they want to you unless they violate some red line
I assume fear of loosing business prevents them from making the red line prohibitions too restrictive. So there's still a lot of unpleasant treatment that the guild won't protect a slave from.

>That may not necessarily be the case, it could be that the profits go directly to the guild and not so much that the slaves get paid like employees.
They may not be receiving personal salaries, but they collectively control the money. So it would all be spent on things that benefit them. Not the same as being a paid employee, but also not the same as being a truly unpaid slave.

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>>6901055
>That makes some sense. Though you'd think they'd at least want to set up a retirement program for themselves. Especially if their services are mostly sexual.
They don't have to be but a huge part of them probably are.

As for retirement, why would that be necessary? They can get moved on to other jobs both internal and external. Administrative jobs, education, slave training (+ slaver training), contract negotiations, logistics, etc.

Don't forget they are also the slavers' guild so they probably have more than enough non-slave jobs available. They'd probably be in higher demand internally but you can set up rules so no slave can ditch out on being assigned "externally".
Once they reach a certain age, those assignment just become rarer and more "on demand".

>I assume fear of loosing business prevents them from making the red line prohibitions too restrictive. So there's still a lot of unpleasant treatment that the guild won't protect a slave from.
That's basically how I envision them. There may be more or less restrictions based on specific jobs/circumstances but as a general rule they still prioritize maximizing profit for the guild.

>but they collectively control the money. So it would all be spent on things that benefit them
>not the same as being a truly unpaid slave.
Not sure it's that different, the defining characteristic is that individually they cannot acquire whatever they want. That "freedom" is taken away upon joining the guild.
Getting things for the guild is a bit like "running errands for the master" even if it is something you'll ultimately use/wear/etc it doesn't belong to you but to the guild (which as an organization is the "master")

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>>6893740
Here's a new story snippet. About two of the characters from >>6892887 when they first became mistress and slave.

>>6901652
Oops, forgot to put in the pastbin link.

http://pastebin.com/ztbsKZTG

>>6900171
Huh. Do you have a Linkle?

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>>6897944
>It is confusing. Accounts and profiles are different: you can have multiple profiles (characters) with a single account, and the account itself isn't seen by other users.
So if I do want to try it out where should I start? You haven't posted any profile or way to find you.