Secret Empire

>>93986004
whats wrong with his arm? did he steal a black guys for their superior genetic strength? or is that some kinda glove?

>>93986004
This shit is still going? I swear I thought it wrapped a few months ago

>>93986083
Malekith tore his arm off like as soon as he became unworthy, he replaced it with the arm of the Destroyer

>>93986102
>a few months ago
It only just started a month or so ago anon.

>>93986103
HES EATING THEM

>>93986103
This page really doesn't help the hydra/hydra rogers doesn't mean nazis argument spencer's been making

>>93986113
I would have recognized the destroyers arm but I believe ya anyway

>>93986148
Hydra has always been a big part of nazi germany though. they sided with them and rose through their ranks in order to further their own cause

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>my generation
So they've straight up retconned her from being like 100 now?

>>93986083
Its a Destroyer arm drawn incredibly poorly.

>>93986047
>Cloak and Dagger's origin story is based around EVIL DRUGS being injected into them
>this

I really can't tell if it's intentional or not, particularly given that Cloak didn't say shit about it.

>>93986148
Some believe these pages to be a last-minute abort switch addition to the story, hence the delays

>>93986229
>Still pretending AI Stark is a real person

For fucks sake Spencer let your hateboner for Bendis go.

>>93986211
>Forgive me
Fuck this bullshit, fuck spencer and fuck marvel.

>>93986255
No, let it burn harder than ever

>>93986257
>That lettering
Wait... Ultimate Hulk?

>>93986257
>Banner using Ultimate Marvel text

What?

>>93986255
It is rather interesting how the last couple of events can be defined by Bendis and Spencer deliberately stepping on each other's toes

6 issues in and nothing happened

Bravo Herr Spencer

>>93986265
Agreed
>>93986257
>>93986268
>>93986247
Quicksilver really needs to die just to get this god awful outfit out of my sight for all time.

>>93986086
they're really going for that Kingpin Mayor angle, aren't they?

>>93986293
You should probably read the Ultimates that came out today

>>93986257
>Banner has Ultimate Universe Font

Huh.

>>93986317
>angry about what they did to me
>...literally asked for it

I don't know why I'm pointing this out, this is the least of the hack writing in this fucking event

why the fuck is he even here actually they still haven't explained this trash

>>93986148
... the Red Skull wasn't HYDRA and was never HYDRA. He was a corruption of the idea and always was.

>>93986268
>Mockingbird isn't Hydra but aiding and abiding a disgraced Shield director who is now a car-bombing terrorist

That's... better?

>>93986317
why are his speech bubbles different from everyone elses?

>>93986257
>Ultimate Banner
Huh.

>>93986257
This is probably the Hulk of Pre-Secret Wars. That one, who was controlled by Rogers all along.

But he had no Ultimate-writing, yet, the Ultimate-Hulk came back in Ultimates today.

>>93986327
>Cassie runs away to Europe instead of fighting Hydra
>Cassie gets taken hostage again instead
>Scott betrays everyone

ffs Spencer

>>93986317
is this ultimate banner
why is he using that font

>>93986368
IIRC he didn't technically ask for it. HydraCap manipulated the entire thing. Banner asked Clint to kill him as a precaution if he started Hulking out again but he didn't and that's why he was pissed when the Avengers started accusing him.

>>93986346
I'd rather not. Can you give us the gist?

>>93986436
That's better

So Nazi Cap can also be the Ultimate Cap?

>>93986373
Spencer, don't you have a book to be writing or people on twitter to argue with?

>>93986467
>Ulysses' vision was Hulk beating robo-Avengers
Goddamnit.

At the end all this stort is just an excuse for another hero vs hero.

>>93986473
No - >>93985412
>>93985426

>>93986154
>The Red Room
Now that I've been back in Twin Peaks-mode this means something completely different to me

>>93986317
It's clone hulk.

>>93986436
Odinson can not fly ...

>>93986455
>>93986503

>>93986497
>Downloaded his consciousness so it's really him

Bullshit fucking bullshit. I know he's done it before but Bendis as much as we all hate him specifically said that was just an AI copy while the real Stark slumbers. This is a bullshit retcon. Up until SE he's only ever acted as an AI.

If that was really Stark then why the fuck isn't he doing anything to fix his real body?

>>93986032
Wait, did Cloak and Dagger get their powers back at some point?

>>93986521
F

>>93986434
It's probably moot if this isn't even the same banner somehow, and that event was a train wreck itself, but my point is basically "banner asked clint to use his judgement and end his life" and if you ask for that you really cannot get righteous error over someone using their judgement to end your life

>>93986536
what a shitty comic event

>>93986186
Miles is right, she is gonna look pretty stupid when all this is over.

So no explanation for what Hulk this is or how he is back. Yet, we know it is a Hulk that gets set off by being killed and sent to Planet Hulk - so Ultimates is out of the question.

Is this come more lame cosmic cube bullshit?

>>93986513
>>93986521

Did Elisa just get offed? Cause that's a lame way to get rid of her.

>>93986086
>Obligatory New York dicksucking from Marvel.

I really tried, but I really can't care about this event.

>>93986497
>Acknowledges that Tony is a hologram
>Attempts to decapitate it anyways

Jesus, how long into inking did this get before they were told they couldn't use Real Tony...

I bet you that Ultron inhibitor was just a EMP to disable Tony's tech originally

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>>93986536
Are you ready /co/?

>>93986521
>>93986536
this shits great

>>93986310
>>>93986247 #
>Quicksilver really needs to die just to get this god awful outfit out of my sight for all time.
For a character that's been around since the 60s, poor Pietro has NEVER had a good costume. Not even the cartoons or movies...

>>93986455
>having that big hateboner for Marvel and not reading Ultimates, the best book in the entire line-up

Holy shit you're a fucking faggot

>>93986257
Oh shit, lower case text?

>>93986521
I liked Elisa. Shit way to go.

>>93986603
>Hydra Cap get beaten
>Real Cap comes back
>Gets killed by Morales
>tfw Hydra Cap is still reigning

So Spencer isn't just making a shit event, he's also retconning the previous shit event to make it even worse.
Is he a Marvel accelerationist?

>>93986536
I don't care what butthurt Capfags say, so far this is one of the better Marvel events, up there with House of M and Axis.

You whiners are as bad as the babies who bitched about Superior Spider-Man, you'll get your precious status quo back eventually.

>>93986638
I wouldn't even be mad. That'd be some pretty funny keikaku.

>>93986620
>Ewing Trying to Make an Event: The Book
>the best
Yeah, no.

>>93986619
I liked his Ultimate costume

>>93986186
When Widow says "my generation", Spencer is figuratively talking about his OWN generation.

>>93986660
This is just a bad event. I'm saying this as a person who LOVED Spencer's HydraCap run.

>>93986390
>Some of us still knew how to be heroes

All this does is remind me of the fact that Marvel has been treating its First Family like fucking shit. Fuck you Ike, and keep your greasy mitts away from our veterans association while you're at it.

>>93986671
Yes, that would make this event a lot better.

>>93986690
Same here. I wanted to like it, but, yeah, Secret Empire is not wowing me. Maybe it'll be a nice read looking back in a year or something, but it could have been a lot better.

>>93986672
fuck off pissbaby

>>93986543
>someone's mad that another writer is basically ignoring Bendis' shit

OH THE IRONY
IT BURNS SO GOOD

>>93986801
Great comeback, champ.

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>>93986047
This one drawing is the only good thing in this whole event.

>>93986521
Elisa actually called Steve her son, does that mean in some twisted way, she actually think this alternative Steve as her son ? Form Hydra Steve's memories she's almost seem to like a mom to him

>>93986837
Drown yourself in hobo piss. Seriously it's the only way.

>>93986619
I liked his mid-90s post Crossing costume.

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>>93986866
And this one

>>93986544
They had them in ASM so did they lose them?

> Tony! I KNOW it's you! The REAL you! I know you turned yourself into an AI hologram!
> It HAS to be you Tony! We wrote and drew this event and it would be too much work to change the story!
> Tony! Rather than... I don't know, do some EMP shenanigans or use that AI-deleter that Pym used right before he merged with Ultron or I don't know literally anything else... I got a magic (plot) device that UPGRADES your hologram emitters to produce a hard light construct!
> What's more, I have bound your core processes to the construct in such a way that if I affect damage to the construct, say by means of decapitation via shield, that your core processes will also be harmed- nay, killed!
> What do you mean, "if I was able to manipulate your core processes in such a way why didn't you just end the processes, killing me"?
> I HAVE to be able to try to kill you with my shield Tony! As it was WRITTEN! Red and blue, hard light vs man, day vs night! Captain of hydra versus hologram of tony stark! Otherwise this has no meaning!

comic book forecast for the rest of 2017 is "EXTREMELY comic books" with no chance of competent marvel events, back to you jim

>>93986660
Did you just used two of the worst examples of Marvel events to try and enforce this event was good? KEKEKEK

>>93986513
That's actually great speech, Tony. F Mark lV

>>93986908
They were still swapped last I saw them

>>93986972
The effect is kinda lessened since he was just counting down for that bomb to go off.

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>>93986657
He seems to be overlooking the detail that everyone present for that prophecy could actually FEEL it happening...

It's clear to me that Spencer has a hateboner for Bendis and is clearly out to undermine him

This is pretty awful. At least I can read it for free.

>>93987003
Yes, but I think he truly means it.

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>>93986868
She may not be Steve's mother but she's still his mommy.

>>93987024
>It's clear to me that Spencer has a hateboner for Bendis and is clearly out to undermine him
So Spencer really is /ourguy/

>>93987024
the idea that this event is an elaborate act of sabotage actually makes a lot of sense

>>93986343
Once again Stark fails to make something Hulk proof

>>93986945
Seriously what the fuck is going on over at the Marvel office? You'd think an editor would have caught Bendis wanting to comatose Stark while Spencer wants to use him in the next big event.

What happened at the end? I've been tangentially following this, who blew up everyone and for what purpose?

>>93986908
>>93986989
every thread its the same shit question. Does co read comics anymore? Slott had them fixed surprisingly in his first few arcs after secret wars.

>>93986154
Heh. Riri calls her "Nad."

>>93987101
Tony's Clean Slate Protocol. Presumably, to kill Cap.

>>93987101
AI Tony blew up their base after everyone else escaped to try to take Steve with him

But Elisa saw it coming and ported in to teleport Steve out, dying in the process

>>93986587
Getting nuked while saving Cap seems like a good way to go

>>93987112
*Falcon.

>>93987094
When Ike took over he basically strip-mined the whole business to be as cheap as possible. Editorial took a huge hit and lost a ton of staff, basically Axel is running the show now. Explains the rampant incompetence of the last few years.

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>>93987024
Watch it turn out that the Allison Greene's supposed plans to destroy the world economy for Hydra wasn't in the purposeful tense but in the connective tense

>>93986289
>
ofcourse it was Scott.

Chthon is gonna go mad

>>93986327
Scotts betrayed heroes so many times for his kid. Remember the Alt Scott in Fraction's FF? Who betrayed the team to God Doom.

>>93987033
>This is pretty awful. At least I can read it for free.
You just summoned up the whole Marvel-Situation.

>>93986317
>Bruce Banner
>"still an Avenger"
S Y N E R G Y
Y
N
E
R
G
Y

>>93986482
viagra doesnt last that long in their universe

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>>93987189
Bendis did actually continue that story in Jessica Jones, and turned briefcase lady into a pseudo-supervillain, proving that CAROL WAS RIGHT GUYS!

Spencer needs to explain why this guy is Ultimate Bruce Banner and why he would have the memories of prime Banner and why he would ally himself with Steve.

>>93986603
i like how all the CW2 predictions came out to be true.

The woman carol arrested did turn out to be evil. Except she went evil after her arrest.


Hulk did rip apart the avengers. Except its robo avengers.


Now miles will also kill Cap.


Can't wait for the prediction of how Tony killed off the Inhumans in old man logans timeline to go thru.

>>93986497

Fuck this shit, fuck this event, and fuck Spencer. I can't wait until someone finally starts digging into his past and finds the dirt that will get him out of Marvel forever.

>>93987416

T H I S ! ! !

>>93987416
They already have. Guy was a Republican the 00s whose approach to crime in Cincinnati was described as Judge Dredd-esque, and he accrued a bunch of debts he never paid back, resulting in his running out of the city. He's nowhere to be found in October's solicitations. If he's not there in November, we can assume he's fallen on the sword.

>>93986473
No you idiot.

>>93986536
Am I a pleb if I enjoy this event?

>>93987478

Oh thank fuck for that. Damn that's good.

>>93986390
>>93986409

how did ben and johnny get back to earth again?

>>93987478
>>93987546
stop trying to inject politics into this board and fuck off

>>93986229

I find it weird that Tony would even humour Thor's weirdness about being called by his first name.

>>93986690
I wonder if Editorial fucked with this event pretty badly because Spencer can make a story but this is just a mess.

>>93987545
Fuck no. I'm actually waiting for this series to finish so I can storytime it from start to finish.

>>93987545
>Enjoying things
Hah, what a faggot.

>>93987545
no just an alt-reich neckbeard

>>93987545
It seems like a love-it or hate-it event. vI'm personally really enjoying it, but as you can see here, a lot of people also hate it because reasons.

It would be nice to have Capt Hydra still around, even after this event. This should be one the "What Ifs" because honestly there's too much discontinuation.

This event feels very localized. You have other comics that are going about their routines, not even getting affected by this "event".

>>93987412
Not only did they turn out to be true, they only became true because Carol expedited them!

YAAAAS QUEEN!

>>93987575
Sorry pal, Secret Empire is an inherently political book.

>>93987685
>This event feels very localized
I think that that's its biggest weakness. I think it would have been nice if it was spread out a bit more.
>Have some comics showing Hydra taking over
>Completely push New York, Champions, and Dragon Ball gathering to tie-in's

Wait, Captain America is hydra now?

Was he hypnotized?

>>93986525

He's still the god of thunder. That's something independant of Mjolnir. By the look of his cape, he's doing what Storm does and using winds to keep himself aloft.

>>93987778
>now

>>93986004
I know covers always lie but I was hoping this would be the issue where Wanda and Vision actually do something. But no. They're still hacked and saying and doing nothing.

It's been over 12 years since Avengers Disassembled and most Marvel writers still have no idea who these characters are.

>93987778
Why even make bait this shitty?

>>93986131
that should be obvious

>>93987478
He also associated black people with drug trafficking.

>>93986467
>Panel 5
>ha ha remember THIS?

>>93986386
Ultimate characters tend to talk in lower case letters. I'm sure that's the whole twist they're trying to do for the newbies reading it, even though it wouldn't make a lick of sense.

>>93987103
Yeah. That's what I said, ASM was when I last saw them with powers. I was confused because I don't read every piece of trash marvel puts out.

>>93986804
it's not that Spencer is ignoring Bendis's shit, it's he's "ignoring" it in the stupidest way possible

>>93986154
this art is the drizzling shits

>>93987545
anyone who enjoys this event after Hydra Punisher is a top-tier pleb who needs to leave the board for good

Wow so all it took was one bad event comic to get everyone to turn on Spencer? It's a fucking event comic, good ones are the tiny minority. Does no one remember Superior Foes or Ant-Man?
Don't try and tell me I should hate Spencer because he's an annoying liberal on Twitter. That's not a valid excuse, just like the political opinions of Frank Miller don't keep me from checking out his work

>>93986341
mayor?
with his power and influence he could be a President

>>93988243
Ant-Man is trash

>>93988293
>is
Talking about the pre-SW title, set in Miami

>>93988328
Did it somehow stop existing? It's trash.

>>93986257
>Banner's lettering

Wait a second...

>>93986467
that piss poor recreation of Civil War, whose bright idea was it to get the worst artist on the fight scene.

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>>93986073
HE LOOKS LIKE HE HAS A BABY HEAD, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN HIM DRAWN LIKE THIS AND IT'S SO FUCKING FUNNY

>>93988243
Ant-Man was proof that all that was good about Superior Foes was because of Lieber's brilliant cartoon gags.

>>93986373
Sure thing, Steve,

>>93988364
I guess you're right. Thanks for that insightful and biting critique, I can tell you are a well-read man of taste.

>>93987545
Nah. I've been enjoying it, especially after the dumpster fire that was Civil War II.

>>93988206
Why? Punisher is Hydra because he holds Steve on the highest regard, and thus follows him because he believes whatever he does must be right, without taking into account Hydra's past.

>>93988766
and that is woefully out of character for Punisher

>>93988798
How so?

>>93988817
he would sooner kill Cap for falling than willingly work with literal terrorist super-criminals

>>93986589
Are you seriously triggered by this? Get some help, flyoverstatefag.

>>93987926
Spencer also said on Twitter that Vision would have a "huge role" in this series. It ain't just covers that always lie.

>>93986619
Pietro has had several good costumes.

>>93986115
This art is dreadful. I get that it was last min re-writes but Jesus....

>>93988837
Literal terrorist super-criminals who just glassed the entirety of Las Vegas to (unsuccessfully) take out a small handful of heroes

Frank tends not to like it when civilians are collateral damage

Thanks, OP.

>>93988994
exactly

it's absolute nonsense that Punisher would ever work with Hydra, and indicative of the overall writing quality of this event

>>93988940
I'm ready to stand corrected so post them

>>93986587
Chthon's gonna be super upset.

>>93986257
clever lettering

>>93989084
>spoils the twist for most readers
not really

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>>93986289
>also starring Robert LaSardo as Giant Man

>>93989140
I don't think it's a spoiler when the point is to let you know when you see it. It is the reveal itself.

>>93986268
Maria Hill did nothing wrong

And the Marvel dumpster fire continues to burn.
Spencer you beautiful faggot, you snuck an actual Thing moment in.

>>93986211
>Forgive me
Is Thor stupid or has he always been. He could just leave.

>>93989189
>killing innocent people in a terrorist attack is fine because muh overton

>>93986317
>Ultimate Banner
>I'm still an Avenger

>>93986390

I love that Ben is the one consistent in comics...no matter all the heel/face turns that happen...no matter how many times they try to update characters or turn them into legacy characters or whatever.....The Thing will always be The Thing

>>93987926
I hoped this issue would focus on the three characters on the cover.

That we'd see Wanda fight Chthon and we'd get some interaction between them. Thanks could have been awesome.

That we would see Vision's struggle against the AI virus. That could have been meaningful especially post-King.

But, nope, we get Spencer doing what Bendis does, obsessing over his favourites and shitting on everyone else.

>>93986866
Is she being injected with the synthetic heroin she got her powers from?

>>93989207
>dumpster fire
2016 called, it wants its overused joke back

>>93986317
>ultimate text
>agrees with 616 history
Is this a fuck up or a bad twist in the making?

>>93989272
remember when ultimate ben became wonder man and fucked sue

>>93989349
given the quality of this event thus far, I'd imagine the second one

>>93986543

Bendis contradicted himself in the new Riri issue then, since he said its not a copy, its really Stark as a program

>>93986543
This has to do with the time skip not a change. Spencer said that he thinks people would treat the AI as Tony after a while.

>>93989272
Shhhh....don't let Alonzo hear you

>>93986585
>Read both issues of Captain America AFTER reading Secret Empire #7

Oh, good... Because that isn't fucking confusing

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>>93986343
>Thor isn't strong enough to break through the shields
>Hulk is

I hate it when they disrespect Thor like that.

>>93986521
>>93986868
Didn't Elisa JUST betray Steve last issue?

>>93989540
Hulk is strongest there is and Thor doesn't have his hammer

>>93986317
So Bruce literally proves to be the most sensible person in this event. So refreshing for someone to not just go "Well it's pure evil and innocents will get hurt but you're Cap so it's fine"

>Bruce you know you want to get back at them even though it means hurting the innocent people.
>Shut the fuck up, I'm an Avenger and a hero while you're fucking Hydra

>>93986327
people who have children should never be allowed in any secret organisation/resistance stuff anyway

>>93986186
Miles is acting like Peter and not like Miles.

>>93986016
So who is the dude in the blue sweater supposed to be. Coulson?

>>93986488
That doesn't make sense
In Dude's visions, people see and feel what will happen to them, like if their minds were in their future bodies.

You know what´s weird? It seems like a lot of stuff is happening, yet it seems like nothing happens. There are too many tryhard-WTF-moments.

>>93989576
Thor's physical strength is not connected to his hammer and Thor's best strength feats are easily in the same tier as Hulk's.

>>93989841
The thing is that Spencer wants to touch on the whole universe reacting to it which takes up time from the actual plot shit that should be happening. I do kind of like events that try to show more, but it feels indulgent. I'm not really digging it here.

>>93989911
Yeah, that might be true. That´s why the Baboon or what-its-called-attack seems wrong.

>>93989941
Honestly I wonder if it would have been better with a different structure: a main one-shot to start everything off, then assorted tie-in minis, then a one-shot to end it. It might have felt less like they're wasting time at least and people could opt out of the issues that clearly don't have much happening.

>>93986188
>>93986113
This isn't the Destroyer's arm. He doesn't get the Destroyer's arm until some point in the future. Only King Thor has it. This is an arm made of Uru by Dwarves for him. Still powerful, but not Destroyer-tier. I don't think he's strong enough to use the destroyer's arm until he becomes All-father.

>>93986115

that half-assed scribbling

>>93986102
>I thought it wrapped a few months ago
>a few months ago
It started 2 months ago.

>>93986185
>Hydra has always been a big part of nazi germany though
Stop pretending you read comics, MCUfag.

>>93986257
>lower case lettering
OH SHIT. WRONG BRUCE BANNER.

>>93986563
what a shitty comic company

>>93990073
Maybe he's talking about publication history, and not endless retcons?
Stupid sperg

>>93986467
I'm barely paying attention because I'm a fag, why are there two Caps?

>>93990221
we don't know what the deal with Other Cap is but it's probably something stupid

>>93986889
"My daddy taught me not to be ashamed of our dicks!"

>>93987337
Hulk rejoined the Avengers during AvX

>>93990305
Wasn't that the year the first Avengers movie was out?

>>93986307
The stuff with Pymtron was pretty fun, otherwise yeah it's been pretty shit.

>>93987559
Johnny never left Earth. Ben came back during the Grounded arc of Bendis' GotG where all the Guardians were stuck on Earth.

>>93990249
Why is everyone here so gay?

And on´t tell me, that you are a girl, here are like 2 girls around and they look like dudes.

>>93986467
>>93990221

Yeah captain marvel isn't suppose to be there too. Could be a flashback.

>>93990221
The other Cap was the LMD Cap that Raz built. Are you literally not reading the words and just looking at the pictures? Why even bother at that point?

>>93986467
Why would anyone will build a robot black spiderman?
Miles is shit-tier enough.
Fuck you Pajeetiant-man

>>93990385
>>93990221
It's actually a pretty impressive feat to be too stupid to understand an event comic, which are written for the lowest common denominator of idiots.
See:
>>93986423

>>93986543
Imagine ALL the shit Bendis has outright ignored over the past decade and a half, are you really mad that people are doing it to him now instead of fixing his mistakes?

>>93990378
>Why is everyone here so gay?

Where do you think you are?

>>93986482
>turns grey
OK, so I'm going to assume what happened here is that they somehow got Ultimate Hulk's body and used some kinda magic to temporarily put Bruce Banner's soul or something inside it? That'd explain why he had the Ultimate coloring and turned grey when the "time ran out."

>>93986131
AND NEXT HE'S GONNA EAT ME!

>>93990399
>>93990422
I'm literally not reading some pages because I barely care.

>>93987758
Not really. It's a stock-and-standard event comic that people insist on projecting their political beliefs onto for the sake of getting upset.

>>93989565
No? Elisa would never betray Steve. You're thinking of Viper.

>>93986113
It wasnt literally the destroyers arm, it was made of Uru and given as a gift by the dwarves

>>93990429
Especially since Al Ewing fixes Bendis's fuck ups and gets no thanks for it.

>>93987545
No, you're just thinking for yourself and forming your own opinions rather than jumping on a meme-based bandwagon, which makes you a thousand times worse than a pleb.

>>93986456
''-except the robot that nobody should care about because is not the real Tony Stark.''

>>93986578
>Ultimates is out of the question
He had the Ultimate lettering which definitely wasn't unintentional, and he turned grey at the end. At the very least, the BODY must be Ultimate Hulk to explain the lettering and the grey version. Since he was working under some kind of a time-limit and once the time-limit ran out, the green dissipated, they probably did some kinda "magically transplant 616 Bruce's soul/mind into 1610 Hulk's body." But then that doesn't explain how they even got Ultimate Hulk in the first place. It'll probably be explained in one of the tie-ins.

>>93986196
I'm not entirely sure, but i think that origin was retconned

>>93990502
It's a political event comic like Civil War.

>>93987177
>When Ike took over
Ike took over ~15 years before the strip mining happened.

>>93987778
Where the fuck have you been?

>>93990651
Ultimate Hulk showed up in today's Ultimates but he's out in space and was literally just re-introduced

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>>93990672
Yeah, Ike was exactly the kind of person Marvel needed when they went bankrupt. Unfortunately, he stayed long enough to become the villain.

>>93990700
That's a recreation made by The Maker to be his lackey. Also, they're outside of The Shield so there's no way it's the same Ultimate Hulk.

>>93990722
that's what I was saying

>>93986186
Oh well that's it right there, between this panel and the one with Red Sku a few pages back. They just said it, Miles has to kill this Cap which will change the fabric of this reality and returning the old Cap, that's stuck in this Caps subconscious.

>>93986578
It's Ultimates Banner. It's not lame cosmic cube bullshit. Read the new Ultimates because it's actually interesting.

>>93990792
>reading a book that's going to get canceled in a couple of months

>>93990146
>Maybe he's talking about publication history
What publication history, /tv/? Hydra wasn't introduced until the 60s and it had NOTHING to do with nazis. The whole "Hydra was part of WWII and helped the Nazis" is 100% from Captain America: The First Avenger and even in-universe was never retconned to be the case. The only universes where that's the case are the MCU and Captain Hydra's fake hydra-verse. Not 616. Not even Ultimate.

Stop pretending to read comics as an excuse to shitpost. Hell, you could at least do the bare minimum and skim a wiki page if you're going to pretend to be a comic reader and not just another /tv/ refugee shitting up the board.

>>93990815
>couple months
Next month's issue is the last one. Today was the penultimate issue. And either way, that anon's wrong because >>93990722

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>>93990816
now who's the casual?

>>93990816
wow you're mad. maybe it's the association with characters such as Strucker, the Red Skull, Thule society etc is why people make the connection. calm down buddy, you're embarrassing yourself.

Retcons fleshed out their ancient history. Just as more recent retcons entangled them with the Nazis in WWII. Seriously calm down you're coming off as a massive neckbeard
>/tv/
wew keep projecting and acting like a fucking gatekeeper. Because /co/ is just superhero comics right? Get real. Take a shower your attitude stinks

>>93987833
no

>>93986185
>they sided with them and rose through their ranks in order to further their own cause
[volume and issue needed]

>>93986423
Anyone want to go back and confirm that these were the exact lineup of A.I.vengers?

>>93990920
Fuck me I miss real nick fury.

>>93990968
>Because /co/ is just superhero comics right?
I wish. Cartoons desperately require a containment board.

>>93991047
Now that's something I can cosign. Have to use a million filters to weed out the creeps that endlessly discuss cartoons currently airing that are intended for viewers 20 to 30 years younger than them

>>93991001
All that happened in Kobik's alternate past. In Marvel's history, Stucker was exiled from Germany, stole Hydra from Japan, and came back to help Hitler, but only so he could secretly transport gold and other materials to Hydra.

>>93987386
>talking about twitter

What the fuck am I reading?

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>>93990378
>he doesn't know the meme

>>93991303
a civil war 2 parody, although one of the other Secret Empire books has mentioned twitter.

>>93991624
I think it was the Steve Rogers book

>>93987926

I really agree with you, yet I struggle to see anything GOOD being done with them in this event at all. Sometimes nothing is better than something bad.

Some of the tie-in books could have done something with them struggling to break free from Hydra, but we can't even have that.

>>93986197
Okay, this is mostly true. But I think, in a broken clock kind of way.

>>93991263
Yeah, I knew all that stuff, I wanted to see him fumble to make up how his version was true.

>>93986047
Who or what is that librarian/collector? Is there any background or is this just something made for this story?

>>93989576
Thor doesn't get any Physical power from Mjolnir.

Hell, Thor with Gallajbron is STRONGER than Mjolnir because the axe can cut Celestial skin.

>>93991922
it's only explicitly anti-Celestial, everything else it's just a good axe. It's not a lightsaber. It also doesn't enhance and give him greater control over his thunder god powers.

>>93991922
Where was that when Odin and Asgard all in the Destroyer were getting raped by the Celestials?

>>93986660
How much were you paid to make that post?

>>93991996
Writers making up stupid shit of course.

The Powers of Celestials fluctuate anyway.

>>93986144
Who the fuck is Rayshaun?

>>93991954
It's still a fuckhuge axe made of Uru Metal.

Mjolnir is not super strong on it's own. it acts as a foci for Thor's lightning powers.

I mean fuck, Thor can just Godblast shit, but we always forget that.

>>93986572
>What happened to Thor after Captain America Stole her hammer

Died of Cancer?

>>93986186
The Cold War era is responsible for a lot of what's going on today, friend.

>>93989810
Is it the guy who cast the shadow sphere of new york in #0? I forget the name and I can't remember if he had issues with his eye or not.

How long is this meant to be?

>>93990792
>It's not lame cosmic cube bullshit
No, it's lame Superflow information keikaku bullshit.

>>93992165
The event or the timeline? This thing was announced as issues #0-9, then it had a #10 added to it, and now there is a "Omega" ending issue after #10. Issues 6 and 8 have also been extended.

Timeline, no one fucking knows. The tie-ins seem to range from "immediately after the takeover" to "possibly months later." The X-related ones are the most confusing, with the status of what New Tian is changing based on who is writing it (Spencer, Bunn, Zub, etc),

>>93986004
In the end, Vision and Scarlet Witch don't really do anything, or even say anything, so why are they on the cover and why did the solicit imply they would be important?

>>93991904
It's not really that true though. Heroes don't do things for their own power, glory or pride, they do it because they believe that they are doing the right thing.
And Steve vastly exagerates how many "secrets and lies" there are, and most of them come from a very small group of heroes.

>>93986409
>We did this to ourselves
>All our ghosts. Everything we're pretending didn't gappen
Other than Clint killing Banner, which nobody pretended didn't happen, how exactly did anything they do cause this?

>>93991018
Nope, that issue of Ant-Man had the 70s Avengers line-up

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>>93986603

I called this like at least a month ago. Miles wouldn't just randomly kill a guy, he's not a crazy asshole. Cap had this coming, sadly.

Ulysses is obviously going to make a comeback in a big way. Bendis wins baby. Bendis always wins

>>93987412
CW2 still complete shit though.

>>93991018
It's not. That one was the 80s Avengers main line-up. Egghead hasn't been alive since West Coast Avengers. Raz just made robots that resembled modern day Avengers.

>>93992402
Apparently, "this is their hour", except it's not.

>>93986186
How do you think Spencer spells 'subtle'? Is it with all caps?

>>93986343
ITS THE PROPHECY !!!!!!!!

>>93986375
What's Hawkeye planing to do in this page?

>>93989826
Their fear made them feel it

>>93986536
>>93986521
BEAUTIFUL

PERFECTION

>>93987412
>The woman carol arrested did turn out to be evil. Except she went evil after her arrest.
Explain this please

>>93986603
Yes, I am more than ready for shitlord Herr Hydra to die by Miles.

Bendis is all four horsemen of the apocalypse.

>>93993667
Accepting the fact that the Hulk is about to crush his head like a melon, and the fact that he deserves it

did we bingo yet?

>>93992670
>Egghead hasn't been alive since West Coast Avengers.
But he showed up in Raz's origin, didn't he? That wasn't too long ago

>>93986247
>let us gather us whatever
good thing they have editors

>>93986016
These Real Cap moments get gayer and gayer

So, I'm not really reading this, but these covers are quite nice.
Based Brooks.

>>93986536
this event is good. the bad press is for political reasons.

I don't know which would make me more angry. If Miles actually kills Cap, dooming us to another legacy Cap character and miles dick sucking, or if Cap lives and this whole mess is another waste.

Here is hoping the ending is the cosmic cube is put together and basically remakes the universe back into one where Marvel doesn't use shitty writers and Terrible new heroes no one wants, thus the "Legacy" event.

>>93993838
Carol arrested her for future-crime, however there was no sustainable evidence of her supposed plans to destroy the economy

Carol refused to release her lest the future-crime initiative fall into question and thus MUH RHODEY DIED FOR NOTHING!

She was busted out of prison by Team Tony but her civilian life and career was ruined by the accusation so she now has a hatred for the entire hero community and tried to blackmail Jessica Jones into helping her plot her revenge

Thus she turned out to be evil after all... because Carol jumped the gun

>>93989272
You mean besides the times he has been replaced on the team?

>>93988243
This event is trash.

His Ant-Man is trash.

His Sam Wilson aka Captain #BlackLivesMatter is trash.

Even his Hydracap became trash.

Superior Foes was stolen from Max Landis.

Spencer belongs in the trash.

/thread

>>93994719
Fuck off anon! Go eat the statue quo garbage over there.

>>93994781
>it's different, that means it good
>wubba-bubba-dub-dub! Let's SHIT on the floor! GET SCHWIFTY!

>>93994719
>Superior Foes was stolen from Max Landis.

too obvious m8

>>93994719
Pymtron was fun. Everything else is trash.

>>93986868
She told Steve that she thinks of him as her son.

>>93986521
I hope it was a Gamma Bomb and it brings Hulks corpse back for the permanent resurrection fix.

>>93992402
Wanda and Vision have appeared in several of the crossover comics and said nothing.

Even Chthon, usually a verbose fellow, says fuck all.

>>93989810
Selvig?

>>93990968
>with characters such as Strucker
Strucker joined years after WWII.

>the Red Skull
Had next to no connection to Hydra until the MCU.

>>93995860
this has already been utterly BTFO >>93990920

>>93986257
>First words out of ult. banner's mouth are censored
They're pretty self aware about this

>>93995700
Oh right, that'd make sense.

>>93986343
If Thor couldn't get into the bunker why could Hulk?

>>93995882
Have you actually read that issue? Because I guarantee you haven't. The Red Skull was pulling that out of his ass and even gets called out on it in that very issue. He's grandstanding. Nothing more. His one and only time he was a member of Hydra was while he was leading the Las Vegas branch, which only lasted for a couple arcs.

>>93986255
No. Hate for Bendis is all us Marvelfags have left!

And USAvengers.

>>93995963
where the HECK is USAvengers storytime