>Brandon Graham getting ostracized on twitter for supporting

>>93857482
I'm gonna need more context on this. Green meme text isn't good enough for me.

>>93857482
>shitting on Darwyn Cooke
Then he deserves every bad thing that happens to him.

>someone ostracized on twitter for supporting free speech
Oh wow how new and exciting and not something that happens every day

>>93857508
Go on his twitter page. twitter.com/royalboiler

Basically he said Chaykin should be allowed to draw whatever he wants and that Image shouldn't have balked at printing the cover. He's been slowly getting eaten alive on twitter ever since.

>>93857538
Thanks for the summary. Always good to see opinionated libtards like Graham get eaten by their own.

>>93857508
So this dumbass making an absurdly hamfisted political commentary comic (left-leaning) made a cover page that was so awful the social justice brigade went berserk at him it was a hanged brown dude with his nuts cut off

It's published by Image, which is run by Graham. Graham supported Chaykin cause Free Speech and is now being attacked by the left.

Remember /pol/tards
Hate speech is not free speech.

>>93857581
>It's published by Image, which is run by Graham.

You really have no idea how Image works

>>93857582
Free speech is binary. It exists or it doesn't. We need a new Voltaire.

>Commies don't understand how free market regulates what's being sold
Whoda thunk it

>>93857582
It literally is

To have it any other way means someone can come along and expand upon what constitutes hate speech

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>>93857581
I've seen Crossed comics with worse covers. People are just complaining because that's what SJWs do - they complain. You try and mollify them with something you think they'll like, and they'll just find something else about it to complain about.

>>93857590
yup there are no degrees, copyright law infringes on my free expression, it's just like living in an orwellian nightmare!

>trying to resurrect this which is already over instead of all the photos of Brandon hamging out with TS pornstars
Poor memeing OP.

>>93857581
>It's published by Image, which is run by Graham.

Graham has nothing to do with Image other than publishing his comics through them. He was just offering his opinion on how it all went down.

>>93857628
>>trying to resurrect this which is already over

Surprisingly the tweets recently aren't about the Chaykin cover.

https://twitter.com/royalboiler/status/885646261189316609

If you want free speech, go to /b/, and see what kind of community that produces

>>93857658
tons of terrible porn?

>>93857658
Conversely, if you want controlled speech, go to a forum with strict moderation like the John Byrne forum or Scans Daily, and see what kind of community that produces.

>>93857655
>you should feel bad for being friends with someone who I was told said something bad once years ago
The worst thing is he doesn't just tell them to fuck off and take their busy body bullshit elsewhere

>>93857582
US Supreme Court says otherwise, also please define "hate speech"

>>93857680
Maybe realises that some of these people who are being assholes to him right now may come to their senses in a year or two. No point completely wrecking anything you have with them, in case that boat eventually comes in.

>>93857700
You'd think that but he was willing to take shots at a lot of creators for doing stupid things.

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>>93857700
Assholes need to be told that they are assholes because assholes won't know that they are in fact assholes if they aren't told that they are assholes but then all the other assholes will come out of the woodwork and depend the assholes being called assholes and thus there will be more assholes in need of being told that they are assholes.

>>93857731
Which is why you just ignore them. It's the internet, not my place to start calling out strangers

Every time I see someone shouting "MUH FREE SPEECH" it's someone who says hateful, vitriolic, trollish things, and complains when they're told to stop.

It's really starting to turn me against the idea of free speech, the fact that it's loudest proponents are people I personally find horrible.

>>93857538

The irony is that Graham is a certified trans chicks enthusiast.

>>93857744
Feel free to fuck off to somewhere less free

>>93857744

Let this post be a reminder on how free speech in America ends.

THIS FUCKING POST. THIS is how the 1st Amendment will die. Mark my words. This new generation will destroy the first amendment with twitter.

>>93857731
>>93857743
I'd say it depends on the situation.

>>93857756
Feel free to fuck off somewhere more free.
>>>/b/

>>93857744
Protip: You don't have to agree with what someone says to think they should be allowed to say it.

In the immortal words of Voltaire, "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me".

>>93857770
I wish I could but I'm stuck in ol' nanny state Australia.

>>93857744

You didn't even READ THE FUCKING THREAD. And yet you choose to spit on free speech because of what /pol/ttards did, regardless if they had anything to do with the topic?

Are you so willing to give it up just so you can have world peace?

It's like watching a pack of rabid animals kill each other. Only thing missing in that pic is a gif of an ugly black woman doing le quirky expression.

>>93857770
>>93857764
>>93857756
>>93857744
So which one of you is the strawman?

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>>93857744

>>93857744
>the fact that it's loudest proponents are people I personally find horrible.
That's the thing. There are people I find personally horrible, but they would just as likely find me personally horrible. Of speech laws were based on who any given person finds horrible, it would be blind and biased. That's the point of it being free, to remove the subjectivity.

>>93857782
Did you just ask me whether world peace was better than free speech? Cause it would be if that was all it took to achieve. Easily.

>>93857802
Yeah if only some dictator could conquer the world, implement a dystopia and keep everyone subjugated.
At least there wouldn't be any war!

>>93857792
People taking "Free speech" for granted, as some kind of divine inalienable right that is "so obviously" something everyone deserves at all times in all circumstances are really poisoning the concept.

More and more people say things they shouldn't say and immediately hide behind the shield of "free speech" as if it's an unassailable fortress that cannot possibly be argued against.

It can be argued against, and the more people abuse it, the more it will be argued against. Eventually people are going to get sick of putting up with the kind of assholes that hide behind it, and start tearing it down.

Respect it and you'll keep it. Abuse it and you won't.

>>93857802

And yet you still didn't read the thread.

You came in here assumed it was some /pol/tard shouting "MUH FREEZE PEACH" where in reality it was a left leaning artist getting eaten by SJWs for defending another left leaning artists' right to draw what he wants.

>>93857744
I don't agree with what you said, but I'd die defending your right to say it.

>>93857817
>cannot possibly be argued against
Every single human right is exactly the same. It's all a shared fiction.

>>93857826
I doubt it.

>>93857817
There's a difference between someone arguing with you for saying something, and someone assaulting you for what you say. Or insisting you should not be allowed to say what you're saying.

And maybe I'm just biased, but I see far more of the latter two examples happening than just plain old discourse

You guys know Graham comes here, right

>>93857853
THAT'S THE JOKE.jpg

>>93857817

So basically we should let SJWs destroy free speech just so you can teach /pol/ a lesson.

I guess you're fine with ANTIFA wrecking shit to "punish" those who abuse free speech, which will then lead to the inevitable right wing group that punishes ANTIFA (since you've made violence fair game).

>>93857482
holy shit why would anyone criticize Cooke

>>93857752
>Like traps
>Annoyed by SJWs

Is he /ourguy/?

>>93857826
I rly don't think u would...

No wonder people call this place /co/mblr. I hope you eat your words when the inevitable happens.

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>>93857840
>>93857863
good ole American public school system

>>93857860
Before Watchmen

>>93857817
>Respect it and you'll keep it. Abuse it and you won't.

Free speech isn't a privilege, you fascist faggot.

If you don't like what people are saying, use YOUR gift of free speech to shout them down all you want. No one is arguing that free speech is the same as freedom from consequence.

>>93857744
so since we all hate what you wrote there, should it be illegal for you to write that?

So how long with Americans repeal the first amendment, now that liberals seem to loathe it s much as the second amendment?

Funny, when they were not in power, it's the most valuable tool they have, but when they have the power, they want it gone.

>>93857875
>demand free speech be taken away and then make a post blaming your own post on "/co/mblr"

What did you mean by this?

>>93857482
>shitting on Darwyn Cooke
sauce

>>93857890

I was referring to the guy demanding freedom speech to be taken away, you mook.

>>93857582
>you can say whatever you want unless I disagree with you, then be quiet
Ayyyyy

>>93857482
Why would this amateur shit on Darwyn Cooke?

>>93857910

Because he was joining the SJW brigade in shitting on him. And now it's his turn.

How many? How many will it take to realise that these people should NEVER BE CATERED TO?!

>>93857892
It was a while ago, when Before Watchmen was still a recent memory. He took potshots at him on Twitter almost daily. He called Cooke "half as good as Bruce Timm and a quarter good as Toth".

(Nevermind that Timm isn't even a comic artist really)

>>93857910
Because Cooke took the job for Before Watchmen.

>>93857563
>Always good to see opinionated libtards like Graham get eaten by their own.

It isn't that good. It's just another cycle. Soon the right-wing will have their version of it happening, then the left-wing will have their version of it happening again, etc etc. People on both sides will pretend it never happens to their own side and try to retcon history to retrofit with their beliefs, and so on.

i really hope WW3 happens in the next 10 years. This planet needs to be burned. Every single man, woman and child.

>>93857955
The Spider-man thread is that way, anon.

>>93857953
While I'm not looking forward to the next pendulum swing, I really hope when it happens we can all take a good look at ourselves and stop being so crazy. The damage that's been done to liberal causes in the past few years is probably going to last decades in the cultural conciousness.

>>93857955
>>93857744
These posts read like they were written by the same person.

>>93857955
Because people tweet shit and do shit you disagree with?

>>93857971

You'd think "the internet never forgets" would remind people not to do things that will harm their own causes. Sadly, that's not the case.

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>>93857974
Sure they are snowflake
>>93857979
"Humanity doesn't deserve to exist" is a good enough reason for me

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Didn't conservatives used to say that liberals shouldnt get free speech because they would degenerate society and turn MUH CHILDREN into godless atheist commie anarcho terrorists?

remember when that kinda actually ended up happening?

>>93857482
>You're hurting a lot of people who considered you a friend

Well, with shitty friends like these.

>>93858009
You can make humanity cease to exist if you're dead

>>93858009
Nice shooped screenshot

>>93858033
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lkg_8ly1Tk
>substitute the world's supply of nukes instead of a giant brain.

>>93858009
>misusing snowflake

Honestly I'm surprised a mouthbreathing leftist can even use inspect element, congratulations.

>>93857885
>Free speech isn't a privilege, you fascist faggot.

Yes it is. All rights are a fiction that we as humans invented and have agreed to. Nothing sets them in stone.

Free Speech is useful when it allows you to criticize those with more power and authority. It's not useful for hurling more insults at people who are already oppressed.

Free speech is a privilege, and if you abuse it, you'll lose it.

I wonder if the guy here posting "freedom of speech should be taken away" is being serious or is he baiting.

>>93857623
Yeah it shouldn't be published. But it shouldn't be published because it's shit, not because some people take offence.

>>93858021
>It's not useful for hurling more insults at people who are already oppressed.

What makes you think you get to decide that? let alone who is oppressed and what insults are?

You can literally misconstrue that logic into allowing minorities to murder people because to say otherwise would be oppressing them.

>>93858058
He's baiting. He's switching between his alt right persona and his SJW persona.

>>93857482
ABANDON YOUR FRIENDS!
ONLY WE ARE YOUR FRIENDS!


Jesus fuck, it really is a cult.

>>93857482
>It's over a comic cover

What the fuck does that have to do with their rights?

>>93858065
meant to reply to >>93858045

>>93858072

They buy into the "hate speech is violence" rhetoric, which means anything they see or hear that they don't like is considered as bad as actually throwing a brick at them, therefore it's fair game to attack them with force,

>>93858065
>You can literally misconstrue that logic into allowing minorities to murder people
slippery slope fallacy.
If you think something is bad, argue against the thing, not against imaginary hypothetical things you think it might lead to.

>>93858021
>remember when that kinda actually ended up happening?
No?

If people find the concept of free speech offensive, they should live by example and give up their rights to say what they want.

>>93857817
No dipshit, free speech is truly a right, unlike internet, food and all that bullshit which are only rights by name.
Words are wind, they don't by themselves impose on anyone. And unlike food, healthcare, internet, which require it's something you are born with, and the only way you can lose it is if some asshole imposes on you and takes it away.

If society collapsed tomorrow all the bullshit "human rights" would be worth nothing. Free speech would still stand because it's innate.

>>93857627
Copyright law and legal intellectual property in general genuinely shouldn't exist, so yeah.

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>>93858085
If I've learned anything in the last couple of years, its that slippery slope isnt a fallacy at all.

>they push for homosexuality to be accepted
>crazy right wing people say it'll lead to more outlandish shit to be accepted
>write them off as crazy
>years later that exact thing happens
>you can literally go to jail in canada for not calling someone by their preferred pronouns, that isnt exaggeration, its literally written into the fucking law

If you can argue against free speech, which is the fucking basis of discussion in the first place, then fuck you I can use a fallacy.

>>93858099
They do do that though. By filling their circle of associates with leftists, they can be sure every thought they express will be thoroughly sieved for wrongthink and risk ostracization from the cult if their offense is deemed grave enough.

>>93857860
He was kind of notorious for being a bit of a prick.

>>93858119
>which require
Which require you to impose on others, which require you to be given something.

>>93858077
But it's not even hate speech, it's a leftist comic with an overly grotesque cover to make a statement.

I just have a hard time seeing what that person means by "think I shouldn't have rights." in regards to the cover.

Anything that offends them is trying to take away their rights even when said thing has nothing to do rights at all?

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You know what?
Maybe people SHOULD be oppressed.

Maybe slavery wasn't so bad after all.

Jesus fucking Christ I used to be a bleeding heart liberal five years ago.

>>93858139

That's where the "hate speech" thing leads to. Soon it means "whatever I find offensive"

>>93858125
>>you can literally go to jail in canada for not calling someone by their preferred pronouns, that isnt exaggeration, its literally written into the fucking law
http://sds.utoronto.ca/blog/bill-c-16-no-its-not-about-criminalizing-pronoun-misuse/
no it's not, stop getting your news from /pol/ and redpill youtubers

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>>93857482
>I always thought Brandon Graham was a dickhead for shitting on Darwyn Cooke so much but damn, I feel bad for him.

He deserves it for supporting SJW's in the first place. He thought he could join their side by attacking other men but SJW's always turn on guys who try to do this. No matter how 'progressive' he is, he will always be a white cis male.
Remember how much Brandon Graham shat on Brian Wood when this happened to him? This is why he doesn't deserve any sympathy.
If this was happening to any other creator Brandon Graham would be part of the witch hunt with a torch and pitchfork.

>>93858125
It's true, I'm replying to this in a jail cell right now for not calling someone "Xhe."

Oh. Wait, no I'm not, you're just a moron.

>>93857655
People who live entirely online can't be trusted. This applies whether they're /pol/ or SJW.
>Hey why do you hang out with your IRL trans friend who I, an internet stranger, am offended by? You should let me control your behaviour!

>>93858066
What arcana would an alt-right persona be?

>>93858021
All I remember is the same old shit done by different people

>This thing is violent and should be banned!
>This thing is sexist/racist/homophobic/BBQ phobic and should be banned, and you fired and arrested, and your kids taken away from you

>>93858158
Employers can indeed be hit with discrimination for not using the correct pronoun
C-16 is retarded and watching Peterson argue the case in that hearing was rage inducing because they kept going around his statements and questions

>>93857744
>people genuinely taking this bait at face value
8/8

>>93858174
And don't forget, Canada can investigate you for hate speech if you talk bad about Islam

>>93857910
Before Watchmen.

>>93857919
You should read BG's comics before you talk about who he caters to. He writes the same stuff he always has really.

>>93858176

It's hard to tell which is bait and which is genuine horseshit. It sounds like what moviebob or Anita Sarkeesian would write.

>>93858174
see
>>93858151

>>93858180
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/canada-parliament-anti-islamophobia-motion-pass-muslim-irqa-khalid-david-anderson-racism-faith-a7647851.html

not a law, a motion. Basically the government saying "please stop", you can't be arrested for this shit
so stop getting your info from /pol/ and redpill youtubers

>>93858194
It's bait, nigga. Look at this whole goddamn thread. Let's talk about King City or Prophet or something, fuck.

>>93858199
>Implying /pol/ knows the difference between a motion and a law

>>93858199

And this is better how? "Oh it's not a law yet, it's a motion. Everything's peachy keen! No slope here!"

>>93858199
Nigga, that's still limiting free speech
Shitty speech is still free speech and EVERYONE has the right to call the offender a faggot for his faggotry, why does Canada wanna dispose of that by having the gubment wag their finger at dumb niggas?

And I didn't know Jordan Peterson was /pol/ now

>>93858207
>Let's talk about King City or Prophet or something

When are those Prophet hardcovers coming Brandon
You said hardcovers were coming

I haven't forgotten Brandon

>>93858140
>Jesus fucking Christ I used to be a bleeding heart liberal five years ago.

You're just a contrarian then, someone who goes against the prevailing winds of the time. You weren't really liberal then, and you're not conservative now.

>>93858194
Sarkeesian is a professional baiter.

>>93858150
I genuinely want to see a study on the mentality of the tumblr people extremely obsessed with sexual orientation/sexual identity and sensitivity,
There must be some sort of emotional rationale to feel oppressed yet coddled.

>>93858225
>no one can possibly change their mind about something over a period of time

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>>93858225
Yeah yeah and you're a faux "zen" centrist who hides their insecurity behind a fabricated sense of indifference and neutrality to everything.

See, I can pull shit out of my ass too, freud.

>>93858212
>Nigga, that's still limiting free speech
Which isn't inherently a bad thing. Limiting free speech is the only thing that seperates /co/ from being /b/

Jesus the propganda americans grow up with. None of you have ever questioned in your lives whether free speech actually deserves the deified reverence it's given, have you?

>>93857482
Thank God for the Unimpeachable Trump. Every week provides a squeaky new issue's worth of drama consisting of impotent liberal rage

>>93857744
Ironically those horrible people defended your right to think and say stupid shit like this.

>>93858210
>>93858212
it's not a law, you can say whatever you want about Islam and mudslimes in Ontario all day long

calm the fuck down, nobody is taking away your free speech or have their been waves of arrest after it's passed?

>>93858235
A generation of children that were never policed by the internet
It's why furries rose to such prominence and all this tumblr shit is so prominent

>>93857581
I love it. Image has been pumping out all sorts of SJW bait comics and now Graham is paying for it instead of profiting

>>93858246
>or have their been waves of arrest after it's passed?
So wait a second. You're saying we should shut up until it's actually law and they are out arresting people, and then when it is already illegal to criticize, that's when people should speak up?

Toronto was a mistake.

>>93858240
I didn't expect you to get so triggered by the truth.

>>93858242
>Limiting free speech isn't a bad thing

O wat hast thou become, Canada
Do you honestly believe this? Do you honestly have no willpower to shut down a faggot spewing nonsense? That faggot can say all he wants but it is right in America to say it.
It is ALSO the right of everyone fucking around him to call him a dumb fucking faggot

And you, wanna limit EVERYONES right in this situation for what? My feelings?
Bottling these situations is how you create even bigger problems later on

>>93857482
Jesus Christ, that's always made me uncomfortable with the twitter comics crowd. It's gotta suck, because if you want to make any friends whatsoever among your colleagues, you gotta toe the line. Otherwise they're just going to throw you out.

>>93858251
it's not a law, it's a motion

did you even read it?
"Motion 103, also known as M-103, is a motion first proposed during the 42nd Canadian Parliament by Iqra Khalid, a Liberal MP representing Mississauga—Erin Mills. The motion states that the members of the House of Commons call on the Government of Canada to condemn Islamophobia in Canada and "all forms of systemic racism and religious discrimination". It also calls on the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage to carry out a study on how racism and religious discrimination can be reduced and collect data on hate crimes."

nigga do you even live in Canada?

>>93858242
>Which isn't inherently a bad thing
Yes, it absolutely is.
You really can't equate a moderated forum for discussion, and society as a whole. The fact that you keep trying to do so makes you look like a fucking retard.

>>93858235
It's part of a broader mass marketing agenda to infantilize adults and create more dependable niche markets. The end result is to have a lot of peter pans, both male and female, who will spend eggregious amounts of money on cheap products catering to them.

T. Marketing analyst that specializes in mass marketing psychology.

What free speech is
>I can say what I want and the government will not step in and stop me unless I actively cause harm, like shouting "fire" in a crowded theater, or lead others to believe I will commit a crime, like threatening violence.

What /pol/ thinks free speech is
>I can say whatever I want and nobody can call me names for it. Also my ideals have to be given equal or better treatment than other ideals instead of being subjected to criticism. Also people that hold ideals that aren't mine need to be put in ICE detainment camps

Freedom of speech means protecting your speech against the government.

Freedom of speech does not mean protecting your speech from the people, especially when you're a business. That's a free market force, not a free speech thing.

>>93857817
Lose one right and you lose them all.
Thinking you're friends with the authority and part of some intelligentzia group because a bunch of noisy retards agree with you is how you end in a gulag.

>>93858262
You ever wonder if the ghosts of Japan scream unceasingly over what their country has become?

>>93858277

That's the first amendment you idiot.

>>93858277
The invisible hand of the free market ends where my feelings begin. If people refuse to buy goods from companies that advertise on Fox News then they should be forced to at gunpoint.

>>93858276
Change /pol/ to Canada and Western Europe, then you got a post

>>93858260
>Mississauga
>GTA
Like I said, Toronto was a mistake. But with the way hate speech laws have been used in Canada before and the board saying they don't really care what the intentions behind the laws were so much as how they can be used, I'm sure this is totally innocent and won't lead to anything down the line.

>>93858045
>Free speech is a privilege, and if you abuse it, you'll lose it.
Try to take it you commie faggot. See how that goes for you.

From the moment a human can speak they can effortlessly say whatever they want. It takes effort to decide what they shouldn't say and to stop them from saying it. Free speech is natural. Limits to speech are man-made.

>>93858283
Meanwhile 10 years ago...
>You can't criticize the president! I don't care who you are! The people should support the government 100% and anyone who says otherwise is a traitor!

I'm sure most /pol/ conservatards are too young to remember right wingers and Fox calling for the imprisonment and execution of the fucking Dixie Chicks because they didn't like Bush though.

>>93857979
Is there anything more marxist than suicidal tendencies?

>>93858304
You realize most modern right wing kids would have hated Bush right? The right is not a monolith with consistent beliefs.

>>93858285
Yes? And that's the fuckin baseline for freedom of speech, since generally every other country has much more limiting free speech laws.

When you try to use freedom of speech as a shield against the people, you are effectively saying one's right to call you out worth less than your right to say whatever.

>>93858276
>I can say whatever I want and nobody can call me names for it.
/pol/ doesn't believe this.

>Also my ideals have to be given equal or better treatment than other ideals instead of being subjected to criticism.
/pol/ doesn't believe this.

>Also people that hold ideals that aren't mine need to be put in ICE detainment camps
/pol/ doesn't believe this.


Here, with considerably less strawman veneer, is what you believe:
>If you, be you a public figure or private individual, possess enough conviction in what I deem to be wrongthink that you are confident enough to voice such thoughts openly; then I have a mandate to track you down and coerce your sources of income until your life is a ruined shambles

>>93858021
>Didn't conservatives used to say that liberals shouldnt get free speech because they would degenerate society and turn MUH CHILDREN into godless atheist commie anarcho terrorists?
No, they said kids' tv time should be limited and curated because commies were using the media as their propaganda tool.

Which did turn out to be true.

>>93858304
And did it ever happen? No
Fox was always a fucking joke but are you gonna mention CNN fucking doxxing someone for making a shitpost gif on reddit?

Shut the fuck up then

>>93857623
That drawing is terrible.

>>93858277
>Freedom of speech does not mean protecting your speech from the people
Agreed. However, what we're seeing at the moment is legitimate violence being perpetrated on those with an opinion considered to be wrong. And that's just not right.

>>93858339
True, but that's a far cry from complaining that you don't like something on twitter (which is what started this thread)

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>>93858339
Yeah, it's Left!

Why is it that we have purported "liberals" who hate Nazis yet constant preach shit LIKE the Nazis?

See also: Moviebob.

>>93858353
Sure. But OP wasn't saying "these people talking shit to Brandon Graham should be silenced for their wrong opinions"

>>93858124
No, they definitely should. In any of these arguments, examine the abuse case and consider whether it's worse than the current situation.

Without copyright law and legal IP, there's literally nothing stopping someone from taking your movie or your video game or your book and saying that they wrote it and selling it on their own. That's just the day-to-day abuse case. Your neighbor lends your book to his asshole cousin and the cousin starts to make a fortune selling your time and effort. The organized abuse case is even worse - a conglomerate takes your book and publishes it as their own and with their massive capital drowns the entire world in your books and gets all the reputation for their own.

We already see what happens when there's nothing stopping copyright infringement. Any time a hit game comes out on the iPhone story, there are thousands of copies made, all almost identical. And who could forget all the shitty chinese knockoffs of western properties?

No. Modern copyright law is draconian and is definitely abused by many people, but that's because those few people get into positions where they are able to do that without fear. Patent trolling isn't possible without some sort of authority on your side. But generally, even large companies have to step carefully or they'll get gutted by copyright laws because of other large companies.

Always examine the abuse case. Free speech is necessary because of the abuse case if it doesn't exist - people can shut down your ability to even talk about making things better. The government can threaten the death sentence on those who criticize the way things are. Comparatively, free speech can only be abused in the sense that it can spread dangerous ideologies or make people feel bad. And while the spread of dangerous ideologies is definitely not an optimal situation, you can combat a dangerous ideology with your own ideology.

Free speech is a necessary evil. The alternative is worse.

>>93858326
Right wingers have been wrong about as many things as they were right about, but there have been a few things they were 100% right about that we really need to acknowledge such as:

1. The way in which we handled gay marriage was too unthinking and emotional and it HAS led to a slippery slope situation. It should be legal, but we should have handled it differently socially.

2. Schools and media ARE infested with communists. This should be as alarming to us as it would be if there were Nazis educating our children.

>>93858362
Because history repeats itself.
The lefties of Hitler's day were just like the lefties of today. He got a lot of the intimidation and terrorizing tactics from them for his playbook.

>>93858339
except when they're the bad guys. of course!

>>93858235
These people were studied. They were institutionalized and lobotomized like 40 years ago for being a bit loony but now we celebrate them and they will keep upping the ante to farcical magnitudes over time.

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>>93858284
I know a guy from japan that works in that sector of the economy. It's weird, but all the executives that run all the weird anime bullshit are huge anime weirdos themselves. Go watch the Otaking anime, it's surprisingly accurate.

also the thing is in japan its actually more sustainable because of the population size. The end result of the peter paning of millenials in america is that a lot of them are gonna end up penniless and without a family to take care of them in old age, expecting the government to take care of them, when fun fact: social security in america mathematically simply will not be available by the time most of them hit old age. So you're going to end up with a lot of YOLO fags dying homeless in the streets.

The upside is the kids, the few of them that'll grow up in the next few decades, are gonna have a fucking great time cause both the boomers and the people who would have taken their place will all be dead by then, giving them a shitload of financial mobility. But if you're like, twenty right now, and you aren't either raising a family or saving hardcore? It's gonna be a rough time. And arguably most people that age wont make it, so we're just going to bleed them dry to kill them off quicker. Millenials are pretty much a bad investment, no real potential.

If you ask me, best move for poorfags would be to go to a trade school, work like mad for ten years, and then fuck off to south america or asia where the cost of living is so low they'll basically be rich investment barons over there.

>>93858339
Absolutely true, there is violence being perpetrated on people whose opinions are consider wrong. In my state there was a swathe of attempted vehicular homicides against critics of the Republican Healthcare bill, to the point where the Republican party tried passing a law making it impossible to prosecute people for violence against protestors. We saw something similar in other states, like the white nationalist who ran a motorcycle through a group of protestors in San Francisco.

Thankfully we have people standing up against the increasingly unhinged conservatives in this country and letting them know their militant anti-American rhetoric isn't welcome in this country.

>>93857778
This. If someone says something racist on purpose to offend, we ignore that asshole. Don't give them attention nor the satisfaction of your rage.

>>93858329
That's modern Chaykin for you. His 80s stuff was fantastic, but now everyone has Chaykinface.

>>93858362
There is always a particular strata of society that is filled with the authoritarian impulse and wants to hurt and suppress others as much as possible for their own (borderline sexual) gratification.

10 years ago if you were a person like that you said you hated terrorists and attacked brown people in the street. Today you say you hate "Nazis" and try to murder or ruin anyone who doesn't do what you say.

The same people who "hate Nazis" today would have been enthusiastic Nazis in the 30s.

>>93858399
>His 80s stuff was fantastic
nah

>>93858381
No. Not except when they are the bad guys. Just having an opinion should NEVER be illegal.
Because the harmful opinions of today might seem reasonable, but who knows what the next group in power decides is harmful speech. Or the group after that.

In my mind you should never, ever give a government you support a power that you wouldn't want the opposition to have.

>>93858391
We're talking about liberals

Antifa is on the rise

>>93858400
Incorrect. The same people who attacked Muslims in the Bush era are the same people parroting 4chan memes on Fox news and whining about SJWs

>>93858391
While I don't approve of any bill that makes you immune to prosecution from committing violence (outside of self defence), protestors blocking motorways are putting themselves directly into harms way.

>>93858276
>I can say whatever I want and nobody can call me names for it
Just another retard who misses the point about this. I don't dislike being called a racist because, I am one. I dislike being called a racist because it's a literal nothing. Like, I was talking with a friend who says the success of Scandinavian economic systems means similar systems should be adopted in our country. However, I've encountered this argument before, it doesn't hold weight because Scandinavian exceptionalism doesn't stop at the country borders. Scandinavians in America, despite being there for generations and originally coming over with little, earn near as much as or more on average as they do in their ethnic homeland, while they get to keep a higher percentage of their profits. Therefore saying only the economic system is a factor is fallacious, and there's good evidence suggesting that this is not the case. Of course this goes against the preconceived notion he held that communities around the world are all made up of "generic humans" with little difference in ethic or ability, so his rebuttal was simply "That has racist implications though".
That doesn't address my point. That doesn't disprove my point. That doesn't do anything but let out a little bitching moan that attempts to brush my argument away without having to deal with it because it goes against his personal dogma. THAT is the problem, I don't care about being called racist, I care about people using racism as an excuse to brush off uncomfortable realities so that they don't have to address them and can ignore any evidence that goes against their dogma.

It can be best summed up in one Thomas Sowell quote.
>In this era of political correctness, some people seem unaware that being squeamish about words can mean being blind to realities
Although this is relevant to the point too so I'll throw it in
>Nothing as mundane as mere evidence can be allowed to threaten a vision so deeply satisfying.

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>>93858426

I'm not really /pol/ or /tumblr/ but

>those ties to real identified human trafficking and drug trafficking groups to antifa

scary shit

>>93858432
Citation needed

>>93858435
>I dislike being called a racist because I am a racist

>>93858388
So I know I'm only talking from personal experience, but I have never met anyone that believes that social security is something you can live off of.

>>93858304
>>they push for homosexuality to be accepted
>>crazy right wing people say it'll lead to more outlandish shit to be accepted
>>write them off as crazy
>>years later that exact thing happens
>>you can literally go to jail in canada for not calling someone by their preferred pronouns, that isnt exaggeration, its literally written into the fucking law
At the very same time they laughed like maniacs when someone threw a shoe at him and when pussy riot kept harassing Putin.
That's hypocrisy and is native to every single human beign.

>>93858260
>motions don't exist to set precedents to become laws
Fuck off retard

>>93858441
That's literally the opposite of what I said. You really need to get some reading comprehension.

>>93858440
The entire Republican propoganda machine.

>>93858323
>unironically defending /pol/

is this how low we've sunk?

>>93858456
That is /pol/. They come here like all the time because they think they can "drop redpills"

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>>93858453
AHAHAHA

>>93858456
What would a /co/umblrina know about other boards and their machinations?

>>93857731
Telling someone they're an asshole seems like an asshole thing to to do.

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>>93858460
Only a tumblrite or a redditor would assume people on this site stick to one board and one board only. Umm, no sweetie... try again...

>>93858441

Remember when criticising Christians was considered a bad thing? It was when the right wing Christian zealots were the SJWs of the time.

>>93858277
Thank you.

I'll defend a person's right to call people niggers and faggots to the grave, but that doesn't mean you should be above social ridicule and criticism for it.

Take responsibility for your own fucking words.

>>93858473
>being crossboarding scum

Newfag sighted.

>>93858460
If you only browse one board ever, then you're a fucking normie

>>93858481
Nigga, I been here since the tailend of 2005
Fuck yourself casual

>>93857744
>>93857817

Popular speech doesn't need to be protected.

>"MUH RIGHTS"
What right is being violated? What right is being taken away?

>>93858387
Don't pair manic-depressives, psychotics and disordered people with these faggots. They have genuine illnesses not just a megalomaniac need for attention.

>>93858481
>not crossboarding
>literally admitting to not leaving his echo chamber

Christianity is a blight on society, and had done more damage to modern America than anyone else.

>>93858388
I wonder if Gen X ever breathes a sigh of relief knowing they tried their best and it will be their successors who are ultimately forced to brave the depressing hellscape of the future.

>>93858478
Exactly, it's the same principle. If the evidence doesn't fit the dogma, it's bad evidence, and that's the only factor that matters. Whether that dogma is Christianity or the Cult of Multiculturalism, it's still anti-intellectualism of the highest order to ignore evidence because it goes against your preconceived notions.

>>93858496
In the case of antifa, the right to not get punched in the fucking face for no reason or the right to have your shit not burned down

>>93858506
Nah, you're wrong.

>>93858478

/pol/ has a goddamn meltdown every single time somebody criticizes Christians. Are you admitting /pol/ is just as bad as Tumblr?

>>93858506
What arew your thoughts on Islamists and advocates of Sharia Law?

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>>93858442
It's not so much about people believing they can live off it as much as people who think its gonna be there at all. It's not. And When the economy reaches that point, I doubt most millenials who live paycheck to paycheck will have enough saved up to keep paying for their "liberated" lifestyles. And if you thought the house of pricing is too high, it's because it is. It's explicitly intentional. It's literally meant to kill off future poor americans. Food stamps, healthcare, all that shit simply isnt going to be available to people who need it the most, and those people are going to deserve it because millenials are simply irresponsible bad spenders with no cultural compass outside of pop culture. So it's more like, a generation of people conditioned into thinking social care is a right are going to get shat on hard. I know this because I work for a marketing firm that is very explicitly trying to push this for that reason. My job is to make people think NEET life is cool and fuck the patriarchy. It's my job to keep the fire of whiny manchildren and ladybaby twitter people enamoured with expensive geek culture. Because We're explicitly trying to get the most out of their objectively draining and useless pockets and speed them up to die easier.

It may sound cruel, but I do it to benefit the children who'll come later. This way at least there'll be a chance some people can have a good life, instead of investing in bad people.

>>93858539
So live frugally and invest in a 401k is what you're saying?

>>93858478
>It was when the right wing Christian zealots were the SJWs of the time.
They still are. Do you know how often I hear "war on christmas" in the winter?

>>93858564
The only time I ever see "war on christmas" is when some media station is making fun of the concept

>>93858564
not as much as i hear that fucking mariah carey song everywhere during christmas

>>93858571
Trump made it part of his platform in one of his speeches after winning, my guy. Shit's real. Damn real.

>>93858522
Again, you are just basking in self righteousness without needing to address anything with posts like this. More Sowell, because you can never have too much
>It is amazing how many people think that they can answer an argument by attributing bad motives to those who disagree with them. Using this kind of reasoning, you can believe or not believe anything about anything, without having to bother to deal with facts or logic.
I had this one come up when trying to convince a commie that unfettered immigration took power out of the hands of the "proletariat" by bloating the workforce without any increase in demand, giving the employers more power because the only real bargaining tool low skill workers have is to withhold labour, which is impossible with a severely bloated workforce, with a Bank of England study to back up my point. The commie ended up agreeing with my point, but said he'd continue to support immigration because he didn't want to be associated with the kind of people that were against it.

"Gotcha" moments to discredit people with ideals you personally dislike does absolutely nothing to disprove the ideals they have, only to allow you to bask in your own ignorance by feeling like you've addressed a point when you've just bitched and moaned.
Also any Strawpoll done on /pol/ will show you Christians are a LARPing minority.

>>93858276
You stupid faggot /pol/ believes that they are being silenced and their right to free speech is being infringed. They're right, the double standard exists, and the us is killing off their own right to free speech. They label them the alternative right and call them racists for stating facts and shut them up. You're not allowed to speak your mind,only one side is.

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>>93858514
People overexaggerate how bad it's going to get. I'm going to lay it out in simple terms:

The worst that'll happen is a lot of people will become homeless all at once and die off leaving a couple of pockets of wealthy foreigners and americans in their communities. It'll mostly affect cities. Because we've pushed religious organization out of urban areas and branded it as "uncool" and "bigoted". the kind of services that help feed the needy wont be numerous enough to make a dent in the death count. I'd say it'd be a good idea to become a mortician in the next couple of years, but people probably won't be able to afford funerals.

It's going to be relatively quick, maybe three years. There'll be quite a lot of crime, but since, again, it;ll be localized to cities, the police will take care of it more easily. A lot of people will end up in the prison system. Ironically, a lot of the people arguing how immigrants would be the only people willing to do menial work in america, are going to end up being forced into menial work in this system, likely being the most productive time of their lives as far as the economy is concerned.
The divide between city poverty and rural wealth is very intentional, it's why we keep pushing the narrative of uppity city liberals and racist conservative rurals so hard. It'll make people less likely to care about helping eachother, which would be a waste of resources.

Here's a protip: the future of america is brown alright: but it's going to be mostly rich saudi oil barons and pajeets moving in, rather than hispanics. Specifically in the cities.


>>93858555
Just move to the country and learn a trade.

>>93858633
The alt right was coined by richard spencer, who is a big reason why the alt right is called racist.

Don't rally around a literal out and proud neo nazi then get upset when people call you racist.

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>>93858539
And from the ashes, the new seeds will grow

>>93858650
>who is a big reason why the alt right is called racist.
First of all, that's not true, it would have been called racist regardless, Brexit and such is proof of this.
Second of all, I don't think you understand, being racist and being wrong are two different things, and treating them like they're one and the same is just pure dogmatism.

>>93857582
>Your rights end where my feelings begin

>>93857582
Hate Speech LITERALLY LEGALLY DOESN'T EXIST IN THE US

>>93858646
What are the chances housing will regress back to generational homes? After all it was the standard up until after the second world war and still is the standard in some foreign countries.

>>93857482
>SJWs cannibalizing themselves
Wow

>>93858717
0% lad, you're talking about a completely different economic landscape.

>>93858723
Why do you think "nonbinary" and "genderfluid" are becoming prominent topics among them Anon? White well off SJWs need an easy out to avoid being cannibalized.

>>93857658
Actually I'd say /trash/ is a closer approximation

/b/ still has some rules and guidelines, while /trash/ essentially allows you to post anything legal

So I guess the end result of free speech is a lot of people discussing fetish porn

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>>93858669
You know what, I'm drunk enough, I might as well spill the beans as this will never get traced back to me, too many people doing the same thing.

Yes, the new generation of americans who make it past the incoming neo depression will be extremely racist and rural and nationalistic. The intent is to create a bigger divide between growingly foreign city dwellers and rural americans, culturally speaking, to more easily lobby different interests in the law and galvanize parts of america enough to make money off "mock wars" within the continent, similar to africa.

We're already setting up a precedent with the battle of berkeley stuff, to make rural racist americans glorify fighting "them" and make foreigners feel fear of persecution from people with shields and gas masks. Yes, we pushed a lot of the memes on social media. Yes, we're balls deep in /pol/'s userbase. Funny, a good third of 4chan boards are full or marketers at any given time, especially /v/. But because we popularized a couple of key terms, people just write it off as natural.

Also, there are a lot of jewish larpers who want this to happen for reasons. I don't believe the stuff myself, but money is money.

>>93858736
/trash/ only produces that because everywhere else doesn't allow that. It's like wondering why /b/ doesn't storytime big 2 comics. You could, but there's a while specialized board for that.

Side note, I earnestly believe that too many specialized boards started to bleed the creativity out of 4chan because you didn't have a glut of different topics forced to move in together and expose themselves to one another.

>>93858441
>I have no argument so I'll adhominem to look smart

>>93858646
>The worst that'll happen is a lot of people will become homeless all at once and die off
You are really underselling how horrific that is.

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>>93858742
>>93858646
>>93858539
>>93858388
>>93858284
>>93858262

I'm just gonna write this off as shitposting so I can sleep at night.

>>93857780
Ah, Australia. The place where DFC is illegal.

>>93858772
Its /pol/ conspiracy lunacy. It has no basis in reality.

>>93858769
It's not even true though, you think large swathes of people will just wait for death in an economic collapse? That's just not how it works.

>>93858245
>Ironically those horrible people defended your right to think and say stupid shit like this.
Nobody on /pol/ fought for any of my rights. No the war for oil doesn't count.

>>93858786
>literally doesn't know anything about Japan

Are you retarded?

>>93858650
Alt right is now a catch all for "people i don't agree with or like" no one cares who Richard spencer is other than people trying to label someone a racist

>>93858798
I know enough about /pol/ to know this is a larper looking to rile people up for shits and giggles, or is just deluded enough to believe their own horse shit.

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>>93858772
>>93858786
>>93858788

Believe what you want. I'm just giving you guys a head start. Not like any of my advice on how to prepare is outlandish, just stay away from cities and get a trade that's actually financially stable.

I gave you the warning, I leave everything else entirely in your hands.

See you in 40 years.

>>93858786
No the social security system is really unsustainable, it basically functions as a ponzi scheme, needs infinite growth to be sustained which is impossible. The longer we wait the worse the collapse will be too, and automation is looming and is gonna make it even worse. I dunno about the rest of that shit but that system is definitely unsustainable.

>>93858811
So you admit to knowing nothing about Japan?

I've lived in Japan and he is fairly correct

>>93858742
So you work for the builderberg group or whatever the fuck those illuminatti fucks are, right?

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>>93858811
But if he's a larper, why hasn't he mentioned the race war with blacks? That's like, their number 1 doomsday scenario.

>>93858815
No, I know that we're approaching a "clods and gods" society which will make current inequality look like a joke, and that you really should do your best to climb up the ladder before it's too late, but what I'm saying is that the people on the bottom aren't just going to accept it.

>>93858772
It did go from rational and observant to geocities Trilateral Commission webpage-tier rather quickly, didn't it?
But maybe that's what they want you to think.

>>93858815
>just stay away from cities and get a trade that's actually financially stable.
What trade would be? if everyone's homeless and no one can afford anything, you'd need to get a trade as a plumber or electrician and hope you get lucky. Who the fuck do you even work for?

It seems like a fucking nightmare world where if you're not part of the security team/cops/military, you're gonna be dead.

>>93858834
He alludes to zog conspiracy and dismisses it to make himself seem more legitimate, its horse shit. Y'all are getting riled up over nothing.

>>93857482
Yes, how dare those tumblrites use their free speech to criticize how someone uses their free speech? Don't they know that free speech is a one way street, where you can say whatever you want and nobody can say anything against yo?

>>93858848
First off there's things people just can't live without, and don't assume payment entails money.

I mean, a doctor is never gonna go hungry.

>>93858848
Everyone always needs electricians and plumbers.

>>93858456
>>93858460
The state of /co/mblr is real.

>>93858862
People are living without basic medical coverage right now anon.

>>93857582
The Supreme Court says otherwise, /co/mblr.

>>93858045
>It's not useful for hurling more insults at people who are already oppressed.

Maybe they're oppressed for a reason. Maybe we need to verbally whack them back down every once in a while when they get it in their heads that their degeneracy and insanity is totally fine and should be shared by civilization as a whole, on equal footing with more tested methods of culture.

You're totally correct about all rights being a fiction, though. That's the more important point that people need to realize.

>>93858891
I said people, not a person.

>>93858866
only so many, if most people are homeless and there's a straight up major class devide designed to kill off the majority of the welfare queens and shit like that, then how many electricians and plumbers are you realistically gonna need?
>>93858862
this is really the only thing I can see working, but it's not sustainable, again, because you'd have to be living rural, otherwise you'd need to be in the employ of city warlords.

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>>93858831
Like I said, marketing firm.
The bilderberg and masons and all that shit are larpers, but they do buy into the kool aid pretty hard.

Protip: Look up the student body president for any relevant college. A lot of them typically have a family member running pretty shady businesses that seem inoccuous, but have a large amount of visits from local politicians and business owners. The family members running that are usually entry level masons. They just buy into the whole maya mumbo jumbo stuff. Bunch of rich family kids who think too hard about how they deserve their spot in society.

>>93858839
You'd be surprised how often people will lay down and die. History is as full of mass graves as it is of revolutionaries.

>>93858848
Plumbers and electricians are gonna be around to serve the few remaining people who can afford homes, so its going to be very competitive in those fields. What I would recommend is if you learn a traditional trade, to do so with the intention of moving out of the country to some place like chile or argentina. But if you do stay, go for infrastructure trades. The people in those rural communities will likely pay more than ever before to keep things running while the cities burn. Can't go wrong with welding.

It's all about supply and demand. University jobs are going to be all but useless for a while, and they're going to be taken up by foreigners in the time they come back.

>>93858893
>You're totally correct about all rights being a fiction, though. That's the more important point that people need to realize.
They're really not, you can put them through the shit test to find out which are which. If you were the only person alive, would this right still apply or would it be an empty statement?

>>93858914
>History is as full of mass graves as it is of revolutionaries.
It really isn't, particularly American history isn't. Say what you want about Yanks, they don't like being stepped on

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Am I the only one that's hoping all this shit going on in western countries actually ends up hitting the fan?
Seriously, I have a morbid curiosity to see how all of it develops and keeps growing more and more until it's so in the face of people they cannot deny it anymore because the city is burning around then and there's a guy dismembering another guy at 5 meters.
I want to witness how actually bad it can get. I want to know what is the limit for the common denominator to wake up, or discover if they'll ever wake up.

>>93858914
>The bilderberg and masons and all that shit are larpers
>larpers
nigga, they're MADE UP OF all those jews you can see running most marketing firms and shit like that. The people who already have all the fucking money.

>>93858914
If you guys are really buying what this guy is saying, I have an island in the pacific I'd like to sell you for super cheap, just a payment of a thousand bucks and it can be yours.

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>>93858962
Pic related. Come on down and pick yourself up a bargain.

>>93858947
I do for different reasons. Like I said earlier, the longer it takes to collapse, the more shit is gonna go down. A total economic collapse today would be magnitudes worse now than 20 years ago, in Europe especially.

>>93858947
It'll be the ones calling others nazis screaming loudest for rescue

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>>93858945
>Say what you want about Yanks, they don't like being stepped on

that much is true.
I think we've done a pretty good job of domesticating them, though.

>>93858957
A rich larper is still a larper. It;s just easier to get them to pay you money for making their larp dreams into reality.

>>93858973
Australia is actually going to be a fantastic place to invest in for the foreseeable future. Very stable place close enough to asia to attract people from there regularly, but still far enough to not get engulfed like the europeans.

Gotta hand it to you, bruce, for an island full of the children of convicts, you might just be the only ones to make it out of this whole thing without a scratch.

>>93858987
>screaming loudest for rescue
That'll be no surprise. They kinda do that already, all the time.

muh /pol/ isn't an argument, most of you haven't even browsed that board in recent years.

>>93859002
>I think we've done a pretty good job of domesticating them, though.
Which is why everyone is disquieted by the rise in leftist political violence? You've done fucked up.

Of course, you're also a bullshitter making shit up so that's completely irrelevant.

>>93859013
I do. It's the worst it's ever been. /x/ tier threads complete with liberal and commie strawmanning. It's awful and if moot still owned this god forsaken site /pol/ would've been deleted years ago.

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>>93859035
Too bad Moot is now working for Google, you'll just have to deal with it. Not everyone who isn't liberal is a nazi.

>>93859002
>larpers
they're not larpers, they've been doing this shit for years, probably before you were born skippy. You probably work for one if you really did what you say, and if you do and don't believe they have any sway or power, you're absolutely wrong. Their influence is literally built into major cities.
>Australia is actually going to be a fantastic place to invest in for the foreseeable future. Very stable place close enough to asia to attract people from there regularly,
>asia
>taking anyone from there
Asia is closer to a collapse than any fucking nation in the world right now, what are you on about? They've paved their farmlands over to the point that they have nothing to export and are waiting for rich investors to move in, who will never come, to top it off the people in charge of major manufacturing corps are moving everything out of china because the costs are going up too high. There's workers rights movements springin up more and more regularly, and people demanding a working wage. It's all going to india. This means that they're not getting any money in via cheap labor, or crops, which were some of their bigger products. So their entire economy was built on becoming the biggest kid on the block, but now that all their investors are pulling out, they're no longer going to be that.

>>93859058
Not everyone who isn't liberal is a nazi, no, but everyone who browses /pol/ shouldn't be pretending they know a fucking thing about politics, me included.

I'm also not even a liberal

>>93859063
By asia I meant India and the smaller philippines.

The loo jokes are great but they kind of are becoming a very wealthy pocket nation.

And yes, they've believed it for a long time and are obsessed with bloodlines. Doesnt mean it still isnt hocus pocus, its just hocus pocus they invest money into making a reality.

>>93859022
If you think the stuff happening now is anything more than a bunch of weak masquerades we wont just rewrite later to seem more serious than it is, you havent been paying attention.

>>93859013
It's just /b/ with reddit flairs now.

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>>93859063
China actually has a huge problem right now with university kids going to study abroad and never coming back because Mainland China is a shithole
Hong Kong p cool tho

>>93857860
Except enough people to pointed out how Cooke's minute men comic was actually worth it

Even Brad shrugged at acknowledging it's worth, mostly cause everyone else shat on the rest of them.

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>>93858439

Don't forget Antifa affiliates like BAMN where they literally pluck hood rats and poor kids off the street and mold them into their cause cult style. The increasing polarization of the political realm is fucking awful. Because of sensationalist bullshit coming from major news outlets like CNN and the like nobody can sit down and have a proper debate over issues anymore. Everybody just goes straight to the violence because they both perceive each other are straight up evil that HAS to be eradicated.

>>93859163
The European AntiFa is actually pretty amazing, Greece's in particular. Giving housing, health services, and protection for refugees and the poor, kicking nazi ass. The American affiliate is pretty garbage though, they need to promote actual people's programs; atm their only platform is bash the fash and typical SJW bullshit. While the Europeans are actually filled with anarchists and socialists, the American one is just full of embarrassing liberals kids

>>93859209
>While the Europeans are actually filled with anarchists and socialists
Sound like a bunch of cunts to me

>>93859209

You're right about the American ANTIFA being nothing but a bunch of Autistic LARPers. However European ANTIFA, they definitely mean business I'll give them that. But they're still fucking insane though.

Thank god I don't live in Europe though. You guys got some fucked up shit going on there on all sides of the spectrum. Of course,
this is all Germany's master plan to take over Europe again.

>read about who they're talking about in the first place
>It's Natalie Mars, a transwoman porn actor who thinks nonbinary is bullshit and is justfiably afraid of radical Isam
Holy shit this is the person they don't feel "safe" around and who they want shunned. This ideology is cancerous.

>>93859232

Yes but unlike the American branch, they seem to have SOME form of a heart. The American ones pretend to be heroes yet do NOTHING to help the innocent.

>>93859232
They are, they threaten violence on communities that don't take in refugees. Don't listen to that guy, they're pure scum, worse than any refugee.

>>93859232
They're pretty cool from my experience. I'm not an anarchist at all, but it's always surprising how so many of them actually know their theory

>>93859267
>They force me to share a bench with the darkies.

Aah, I see.

>>93859289
You mean the European Antifa that go around burning people's cars, looting businesses, and punch people they think are nazis around?

real fuckin cool

>>93857482

>be person with authority over X
>talk shit on Y because sweet, sweet SJW autism bux
>talk about Z
>SJWs turn on you like a pack of starving wolves

It's like a poem
History repeats again
Because no one learns

>>93859316
>Punch people that are nazis

Nazis should always be punched. That's the right course of action.

>>93859311
Yes which verifiably results in lower social capital, more crime, and lower standard of life. But you know, you don't have to address those points because the fact that they go against your personal beliefs is reason enough to discount them.

>>93859311
If a community cannot handle the economic strain of accepting a bunch of refugees that will refuse to acclimate to the surrounding culture, then why label them racist? Is that what you're implying?

In Germany, Merkel said the majority of refugees were families when in fact it was MOSTLY young, single men in their 20s
Or are we gonna forget about Cologne?

>>93859335
why

>>93859316
Yeah, it's pretty rad

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>>93859335
How do you define a Nazi?
People that don't agree with you? People that don't hold your values? People that don't think like you? How do you define you fucking facist?
By taking a picture of a journalist you don't like and assuming the people around them are Nazis?

Cause that's what fucking happened you stupid cunt
Are you fucking retarded?

>>93859340
>How dare the darkies come here and live among us! We should concentrate them on some camps of sorts, maybe even call them ghettos or something...

>>93859348
Jesus, not even affluent people integrate that well or that fast to new cultures if they move abroad -- and affluent people migrate to foreign countries by choice, not because they were forced by armed conflicts.

That said, I'll give you the point on some male refugees going ax crazy or sexually assaulting people, but even white people go ax crazy (or gun crazy and sexually assault people as well)

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>somebody says something dumb on twitter
>HOLY SHIT ITS THE END OF DAYS CIVILIZATION IS FUCKING COLLAPSING

you guys are fucking faggots

>>93859376
The same reason that radical Islamists should be knocked the fuck out.

>>93859335
I think people like you are Nazis.
Punch yourself.

>>93859380
>How do you define a Nazi?

Given that Nazi is shorthand for National Socialist... with a racial component...

So, yeah, any white nationalist that is all about pushing darkies away or cry about white genocide seems to fit

Hey, if the shoe fits... wear it.

>>93857482
>I've known you since you were 11
>FUCK YOU YOU'RE A NAZI I HATE YOU TIME TO SEVER
Leftism is a mental illness.

>>93859381
So you agree with me but don't want to refuse them entry in lieu of what? feelings? racism?

I don't agree with that

My parents spent 10 years getting into America and they have ALWAYS known to respect the law of the land not try and turn it into the old country
Why can't these refugees do that? Respect, where is theirs?

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>>93859393
You aren't answering the question. So I'm going to just go out on a limb and say this:

You want to punch nazis before they punch you.

Nazis want to punch you (commies) before you punch them.

In a civilized world there would be no punchinf because you're both faggots who need to get shot in the back of the head.

And people say /co/ doesn't support ANTIFA and that it's a /pol/ or /v/ lie to make them look bad.

>>93859381

You fucking cunt you didn't refute his argument all you did was make up an argument to attack.

>>93859393

That I agree... and people in the quiverful movement... and the creepy priests and pedophiles in general and paul ryan.

>>93859425

But that doesn't make any sense. Wouldn't it make more sense to say that if the majority of /co/ supported them instead of a minority?

>>93859422
I'm not even a commie. I'm just a brown guy who's seen a serious increase in racially motivated crime and nazi imagery posted in my city. Those people ought to be beaten before people start taking them seriously.

>>93859441

It takes a minority to get shit done.

>>93859419
So it's only white people?

What about the black people or other ethnicities in America calling for white deaths?

Are they not Nazis because of their skin tone?

>>93859380
>How do you define you fucking facist?
Pretty easily. Anyone who actively goes out of their way to silence their opposition and take away freedoms from others, either through violence or policy

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>>93859449
So the argument still stands.

You want to punch them before they punch you, and they want to punch you before you punch them.

Am I wrong?

>>93859449
A lot of alledged hate crime after El Presidente go sworn in was found to be manufactured by the other side

How much of those images you see are such cases and how many are people buying into it as well?

The Left has opened Pandora's box

>>93859461

Which is ironic that people like Moviebob wants to eradicate Nazis, yet endorses Nazi-like principles for his "superior future"

>>93859421

My grandparents went thru the same process. My family has always been respectful. Got cousins that are LEOs and in the armed forces.

Refugees coming to America have a more stringent vetting process than Kushner had to go thru to get security clearance

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/29/us/refugee-vetting-process.html

>>93859461
So Antifa?

>>93859492
Yeah, they're the most common form of fascist these days

>>93859458

Oh, they also deserve to be punched, but armed militias in the US are mostly made of white ammosexual supremacists.

>>93859452

What?

>>93859464
Of course. But I only want them beaten because their ideology inevitably leads to violence. I only want to live in my city peacefully, and yet there's an insurrection of racists who are bent on making me, and people who happen to be brown or me, suffer. Of course I want them gone.

>>93859505
citation needed

>>93859509

Basically don't rule out minorities just because of their small numbers. Throughout history, it's the minority that changed the course of history. The majority just tags along for the right.

>>93859521
Suffer how?
What do brown people lack in America?
Are you brown?
Is your answer to discourse violence?
So you want to attack people before they ever get the perceived notion to do the same?
How you define what is worthy of violence?
Are you a nazi?

>>93859556

Okay then, /pol/ must be commies because there are a minority of commies there. Thanks anon you really cleared that up.

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>>93859521
Okay, that's perfectly reasonable.

Now what if I told you that on their end, they think YOU'RE the crazy person out to kill whitey, and THEY'RE the ones who just want to live peacefully and have a white identity.

Cause from the looks of their rhetoric that seems to be exactly what they believe, they have a preconception of you and your kind being X, and they're Y, and you think you're Y, and they're X.

Doesn't the whole situation seem a little contrived? Perhaps manipulated?

>>93859475
In the week following Trump's election I was followed by a gang of white guys wearing all red, screamed at by another white guy for just walking with my white girlfriend, and my university suffered some serious hate fueled graffiti (I wouldn't care if it was just a swastika, like whatever it's bathroom graffiti, but there were actual threats all over the bathroom).
Then, several months later, an insane dude killed two guys who were protecting two Muslim girls.

I can't speak for other cities, but Portland's totally seen a dramatic increase in racially motivated violence.

I can't sympathize with Graham. This isn't a hill worth dying on, not for such a shitty cover designed for shock value. This is why American comics aren't respected, they're fucking all over the place.

It reminds me of that South Park episode where Randy is making a broadway show about blowjobs. There's no subtext, no subtlety. Just bash the reader over the fucking head with your terrible stories.

>>93859530

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/265062-militia-movement-growing-at-rapid-rate

>>93859591
>a bad cover is worth Image become a publisher that censors creator-owned work
Whatever happened to if you don't like it don't buy it?

>>93858791
yeah they didn't fight in wars that effected this country's freedom of speech except for maybe all of them.

>>93859420
11 MONTHS too

>>93859475
No it's manufactured by the skinheads and neo-nazis who can hide behind regular conservatives and then decry liberals who are attacking "regular American citizens." I live in Charlottesville, a college town with a history of the KKK that hasn't operated in decades. Immediately following the election Richard Spencer stirs up the pot and now you have literal gun toting klansmen protesting the removal of a Confederate statue that was purchased by a park like 20 years ago. If you counter protest then "MUH FREEDOM ANTIFAH IS THE MOST VIOLENT" (salutes with AR-15).

>>93859591

The irony is that said cover was made to paint conservative right wingers as mustache twirling villains to piss them off. He ended up pissing off his own side instead because they don't like NOT be portrayed as Mary Sues.

>>93859567
You're fucking retarded

>>93859581
And how much was manufactured by the other side?
Did you report what happened to the police? Not the campus police, the city police?
Portland is a shithole but it is a shithole creating by the Left

It is one of the only radical cities in America where the wrong ideas can mean violence upon you
All created by the Left
As in: The Left radicalized people

>>93859570
Except I haven't even done anything. I'm not out to kill whitey at all. Nothing in my ideology gives my race any preference or superiority over any other, I certainly don't have some bullshit oppression narrative nor do I buy into any white devil boogeyman. I don't have anything against, say, lower class white Americans at all. Don't try to pigeonhole me when I'm just a guy trying to get by.

>>93859566
You're jumping the gun a lot. I'm brown, I was doing fine just going to school, then after Trump got elected and I started getting harassed and, so it seems, so did many others. Those who're harassing and attacking others ought to be driven out, because the state isn't doing anything.
I'm fine discussing political philosophy, but neonazis and /pol/lacks just aren't open to discourse at all. Fuck off.

>>93859612
Censorship would be publishing it in a black bag like a porno rag.

Image has the freedom to choose what they publish. Nothing is stopping Chaykin from sharing his cover.

Fucking people need to learn what actual censorship is. If I send a picture of my dick to a newspaper and they don't publish it I'm not being censored.

>>93859632
Did they identify as KKK members? As White supremacists? Or did you do that?
Did you define them as such?

god this thread was retarded

>>93859652
No you're not
I presented you with questions that you don't like

I'm brown too but I'm not a whiny faggot like you
1st generation immigrant to America and my ancestors would laugh at you

>>93859632

White people: black people always bring up slavery! that's in the past! It's part of their history but can't they just move on? It's time to heal!

Also

White people: Why are they attacking my past? This shrine to slavery is part of my history! Why are they attacking my heritage! This is white genocide!

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>>93859662
I don't know, you tell me.

>>93859659
>Censorship would be publishing it in a black bag like a porno rag.
That's not censorship since the buyer can take it out of the bag to see it.
>Image has the freedom to choose what they publish.
Sure, but this is definitely censorship, just as the Comics Code Authority was cenorship.
> If I send a picture of my dick to a newspaper and they don't publish it I'm not being censored.
This situation is not comparable.

>>93859637
>trusting Portland police
Kek. I told my campus security, but it's not as is there's much they can reasonably do.
Portland isn't all that bad by the way, it's mostly filled up by yuppies, middle class families, and aging hippies. It's not that radical of a city.
>muh left
Now who's stereotyping and unwilling to talk with who?

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>>93859689
>A statue is a shrine to slavery

Let's ignore the fact that their ar emore slaves now EVER in the world than America has ever had and the majority of Blacks in America haven't been affected by slavery
MUH OPPRESSION OLYMPICS

>>93859684
I have a right to complain. Sorry your ancestors lived in garbage conditions, but I grew up expecting the US to be a halfway reasonable country. Guess it ain't.

>>93859702
How is the right for a publisher to select what they publish not comparable? Is it only censorship when there's a controversy surrounding it, because buddy let me tell you about all the rejected covers comics get on a daily basis.

>>93858158
If you don't pay the fine, you have to do the time. So, in conclusion, you're the moron.

>>93857817
This is why the 2nd Amendment exists.

>>93859715
Let's ignore that slavery defined the politics of the country for 100 years and had a rippling effect throughout history.

My father had to use a different bathroom for most of his childhood. Millennials forget these issues are still fresh.