/swco/ - Star Wars Comics & Cartoons

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Never forget

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What is he, /swco/?

>>93654582
>but they were quickly proven wrong.
Source?

>>93654641
poor tall Stormtrooper serving in a manlet world

>>93654646
Cute.

>>93654689
>too tall for a stormtrooper
>not cyborgy enough for a deathtrooper
This is suffering

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>>93654614

>>93654641
>>93654689
>>93654729
So did Stormie armor and helmets have adjustable straps or modular padding to adjust fit because given the size difference between individual stormies you'd think they'd have to(and it would explain why Rebels always complain about not being able to see). Must have been easier for Clones given they were all the same size/build.

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Give me artistic Star Wars and or memes.
Bonus points for Chiss.

>>93654826

Well now I'm interested to see how these designs will show up in the franchise some day.

>>93654826
>the fin came from Lucas
Nice, I always liked phase 1 better because of the fin, except for TCW where phase 1 looks ugly.

>>93654826
I really like that one in the top left corner

>>93654871
Take.... Take it back...

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>dude what if the end of my movie combined the endings from ANH and ESB but had none of the emotional weight of either?

>I'm a genius!

>>93654933
>Add a helicopter shot, Lucas didn't do that so it'll show how much more of a riskier and creative filmmaker I am!

Do you think anybody at Lucasfilm would give a shit if this guy "disappeared"...?

>>93654947
>Do you think anybody at Lucasfilm would give a shit if this guy "disappeared"...?

Hopefully not.


>Add a helicopter shot,

I recall hearing it wasn't even that. They used a fucking drone.

>>93654933
Force Awakens was so bad

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>>93654998
The shot type is the same, though. Drones are a hell of a lot cheaper than renting full on choppers, so you can't blame 'em

>>93654947
They are working on it. They got all of George's notes and material and are working form those onward and shoving all of Abrams shit into a box they can dispose of at some point.

Is anyone else not really feeling excited for upcoming Star Wars content anymore?

>>93655085
You're just getting fatigue because of the overabundance of content. Either that or you just don't like Star Wars as much as you used to.

>>93655063
Yeah, I hope so. Pablo seems confident that Lucas's ideas are going to be more closely followed for the remainder of the trilogy, and it's no secret that he didn't like TFA much, so I think it's a shared sentiment at Lucasfilm that TFA is not the movie they wanted to make.

Rogue One seems much more fitting, as it spans beautifully out of the work that Lucas did, as well as all the work Lucasfilm has been doing with things like Rebels. It felt like a valid part of the universe that was no bigger than what it was proceeding, but no less valid because of it. That's exactly the kind of storytelling Lucasfilm has been doing since 2008.

I can't imagine people like Filoni were happy with TFA neither. That man loves George and his movies, all six of them. So to see RotJ so abhorrently invalidated by TFA, and seeing the creative husk that Lucasfilm has been left to work with for the entire era, Filoni must surely not be happy with TFA. It pretty much goes against everything the Prequels did, which allowed him and George to flesh out a beautiful 100+ episode show. Do you think he feels optimistic about doing such a thing with the ST era? Is it even POSSIBLE, with what little TFA offered? He'd basically be having to build the era from scratch himself, because JJ left us fucking nothing.

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>>93655140
I think it's telling that there's a glut of content before Jakku, and scraps after.

>>93654804
There's a ton of tech in a stormtroopers helmet, night vision, infrared, anti-glare, enemy highlighting, etc. Without the right training and use it's hard to see through the data "soup" the helmet gives. It's kind of like how Apache helecopter pilots need to train to have their eyes independently track things.

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>>93654614
Obligatory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW4OIHDsWsM

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>>93655671
It never gets old

>>93654933
J.J. is a hack.

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>>93654646
Mastermind.

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When are we gonna get the best fighter back in canon?

>>93655671
Best boy.

Rogue One was boring, and outstayed its welcome. With better editing to speed up the pace it would have been better.

>>93654933
>>93655870
I wonder what he honestly thinks about the movie. Not the interview spiel, but his private thoughts. Does a man like that see the flaws in his art, does he think it's a masterpiece or does he not give two shits? No idea, just thinking aloud.

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>>93656380

>>93654933
I HATE THAT DIRECTOR!

>>93656380
Maybe. I wouldn't say it's flawless.

But it was still the closest to "Star Wars as I liked them" and got Lucas's approval too, so I give it a pass.

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>>93656571
A few minor edits, and a few extra scenes to aid character arcs would have helped a bit

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>>93654933
>>93654947
Who on earth let this happen? It annoys me that someone actually came up with this idea and wasted time and resources on it when they could've used what time and money they had left on improving the ending helicopter shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th9swupZerg

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>Thrawn, Bloodline, Tarkin, Lords of the Sith, and Catalyst are all far better than Darth Plagueis.

Am I the only person not bothered by the helicopter shot? Almost every Star Wars movie ends with the camera far away from the characters and given the landscape of the Ach-To set you literally have to use a flying camera to get that shot. I thought nothing of it until /swco/ started memeing it.

>>93657191
the colors and focus are so different from the rest of the film, if someone were to post a still of that before the film came out i would have believe it was a set leak.

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>>93654998
>They used a fucking drone.
>not using a helicopter lightsaber
Fucking plebs.

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>>93657191
It's because a helicopter shot just didn't feel like Star Wars and they didn't need it. They could've just had a still shot just like every other film. But then again the rest of the film never had good still shots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPhiPd-EXCA

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Star Wars #33 storytime

>>93657876
Hell yeah, thanks for the storytime!

>>93657970
Pretty cool, not gonna lie

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>>93658020
aww

Not a fan of the art style of the star wars comics, I preferred the VADER style.

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>>93658039

>>93658043
I assume you mean the 2017 Vader artist, right? Because this comic is the same "artist" who did most of the 2015-2016 Vader comic.

They switch out artists every so often, Larocca hasn't been on the main one for long. Hopefully he wont be on it for long neither. But all things considered, this issue looks better than the shit he usually puts out.

>>93658069
Yeah. It's not like I'm not enjoying the comics or anything, I just prefer the other style.

>>93658063
>Story about Lin-I mean, Luke, stranded on an Island with all his tools and equipment gone
>Water people help/need his help too

Has Pablo been playing Breath of the Wild?

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>>93658127
Oh my fucking god my fucking dick FUCK

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>>93658134

>>93658110
I'll admit I never read any of these, but those faces just always creep me out. It doesn't really fit most of the time.

>>93658134
That is a shit way to go.

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t. first-time storytimer and not watched TFA and Rogue One yet so someone else will storytime issue four of its comic adaptation.

>>93658228
What the fuck? Go watch Rogue One right now m8

And thanks for the storytime! Art aside, that is one of my favorite Star Wars comics yet.

>>93658069
Speaking of Vader, what does everyone think of the first couple 2017 issues?

>>93658215
>that Lando face

SPACE LEGAL

>>93658328
I love it to be honest. I wasn't expecting them to tackle post-ROTS Vader so soon, but I am glad they are. The action in the first issues was great too, and the comic benefits well now that Larocca is busy with the main comic.

Excited to see the Inquisitors too, because apparently theyre returning in the comic.

What was the point of that SW issue? Stranded for only one issue on a planet we'll never see again. Just muh stronk womyn Leia pandering?

>>93658554
Are you for fucking real?

Anyone else a little tired of the main Star Wars comic kinda just drifting about?

As questionable as some of the writing has been, it feels wrong to make a modest deal about losing 3PO and then proceeded to enter a flashback arc followed by a crossover followed by this one-shot and a two-parter with Sana and Lando.

>>93658328
I'm enjoying it thus far, particularly the force lore and the development of the Vader-Sheev dynamic.

Only thing I'm not too fond of is the art, as it strikes me as a cut-rate Pepe Larraz.

>>93658554
They're just doing some one shots for the next tpb before they go into the next story arc. next arc wont start for about another 5 issues or so

Thanks for the story time anon

>>93658632
yeah, the mainline comic has been boring for a while. they need to stop focusing on the big 3's random adventures and focus on the war

>>93658328
I prefer Rise of Darth Vader, canon or not. I like the inclusion of that badass looking Grey Jedi(not calling a Grey Jedi that i just can't remember his name)though

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>join a party for shenanigans in destiny
>Guys are talking about Star Wars
>Hear 'THESE GOD DAMN SJWs ARE TAKING OVER STAR WARS'
>REVAN WAS A DUDE, AND THREE OF MY FRIENDS AGREE
>RO WAS FUCKING SHIT WHO CARES ABOUT THE MARY SUE JYN ALL I CARE ABOUT ARE JEDI
>Sit there silent pretending I have no idea what they're talking about because I just want friends to play with

>>93659092
Similar thing happened to me a couple years ago, was out with a turbonormie friend, and he starts talking about Star Wars, as it was quite topical, with TFA almost out.

Suddenly he goes on a mini-rant about how Disney ruined Star Wars and got rid of all the old canon for their new comics. I know for a goddamn motherfucking fact that this guy has never touched a comic in his life. He was just trying to appeal to me, knowing I was a Star Wars fan, presuming that I too would be upset with Disney.

When you wonder why normies seem to repeat RLM-tier bullshit, and you wonder why such shitty opinions are so widespread, that is why; They attempt to appeal and fit in with the "true fanbase" by repeating shit they've heard from the most vocal minority.

>>93657079
How much do people bet they cut that scene because it portrayed Rey relying on the help of others?

Also Jesus Christ she is a poor actress

>>93659226
Shit like this is why my normie friends seem convinced now that TFA is the best Star Wars movie, and that Rogue One is "le fan film xD"

>>93659226
Yeah he said that revan was a dude because his friends agreed he should be. I said you could choose their gender, and it's really a 50/50 split, and he went into turbo defense mode eventually "o-oh well I have friends who agree so you're wrong!" he loved TFA, oddly enough. I asked him about the plot to KotoR and he had no idea what the fuck he was talking about. I doubt he even played it. He mentioned Kylo was a cheap Kyle, and when I asked him who that was, he didn't really know. I'm convinced this dude was a poser. Though, the rest of the group thought it was hilarious how anally annihilated he got when I called him out, so much so that he rage quit the game (after causing us to restart 20 times and saying I was a shit tier player; right)

he was just a cunt poser who wanted his NERD CRED™

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>>93659321
Those are the kind of chumps I used to love BTFOing in Star Wars Trivial Pursuit.

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I have serious concerns/issues with The Last Jedi...
> The destruction of apparently the entire republic leaves the good guys in worse shape then any point we saw in the original trilogy so the idea of doing a Empire to it's Stars Wars is preposterous tonally regardless of the Resistance managing to destroy Star Killer. The order has won.
> Them doing Walkers again, for fuck's sake.

For real though, what was th whole hubbub about the end of Lost Stars possibly not jiving with Rogue One or something?

This was a topic a few months ago.

>>93659457
>The destruction of apparently the entire republic
stopped reading
clearly the British won the War of 1812 because the white house got burned down and Canada annexed the USA

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>>93659457
Walkers are always fun, though.
And I don't know where you got that first concern from, smashing a government isn't the same as obliterating a nation. The Republic didn't suddenly stop being the Republic just because Hosnian Prime got turned into a miner's paradise.

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>>93659236
I wouldn't be surprised if they did that scene as a joke and a nod to the OT which would've been okay if they didn't copy every other scene from the OT.

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>>93659499
TFA said the entire republic fleet was destroyed...

>>93659563
Republic fleet =/= republic government. You obviously meant fleet, but you didn't actually say it.

>>93659465
Basically, Ciena is on Vader's Star Destroyer when they chase the Tantive IV with the plans. Because Ciena never mentioned that there was a battle at Scarif, people took it to mean "OMG NON CANON!!11!!!1!"

Technically Vader's ISD arrived to clean up the mess, most of the Rebel fleet had already fucked off, or been destroyed, so Ciena was never present for a battle.

Anyways, the author mentioned on twitter for people to chill out, and that she was going to talk to the LSG to see if it's worth being addressed. Again, it's not that there was a contradiction with Canon, its just that the book doesn't mention something that people seem convinced should have been in the book, even though Ciena has little reason to think or talk about a battle she had no part in.

More likely than not, next time Claudia uses the character, Ciena will just recount/reference the aftermath of Scarif to appease the situation. Would be a neat short story for that upcoming 40th Anniversary book, come to think of it.

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>>93659511
I cannot wait to see this horrible little girl's """acting""" "career" crash and burn after this franchise is done with her. Star Wars has chewed up and spit out worthier actors than her.

>>93659584
The Coruscant expy that houses the senate was destroyed too though.

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>>93659563
We already know Mon Mothma had basically decommissioned the Republic military, which was why Leia had to fund and equip a Resistance to deal with the First Order, so that's probably not as big a blow as it could have been.

Watching TPM on post-America day. One thing that always cracks me up.

PADME: Our planet was attacked.

NEIMOIDIANS: No proof!

PADME: Um, our ship is shot to shit.

NEOMOIDIANS: You... You guys did that...

>>93659623
There's more to a government than just it's base of operation, anon. Did all the planets that were part of the New Republic blow up with Hosnian Prime? Did all the people that believe in the NR die too? As long as any combination of those two things exist, a new temporary leader and base planet can sprout up as many times as needed until the chaos is settled.
Nuking DC won't stop America from existing. It still has it's 50 states and various territories (though the ones around and east of DC would be somewhat uninhabitable). Any one of those states with countless cities could become the new country capital.

>>93659642
Not seeing the issue.

>>93659642
Or pirates or Hutts or whoever, they were on Tattooine in the meantime.

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>>93659498
>>93659499
>>93659563
>>93659584
>>93659623
>>93659640
But it wasn't just the government body or officials, it was the entire planetary system.

>>93659563
No, it said that the Republic was destroyed. The entire fleet wasn't destroyed

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/New_Republic_Starfleet

> While one fleet of the Starfleet remained with the Galactic Senate which moved to different member worlds on a rotational basis, the majority of Starfleet was scattered across several bases throughout New Republic space including one on Mirrin Prime. Some known starfighter squadrons included Corona Squadron, Gold Squadron, and Rapier Squadron In addition to the Starfleet, the New Republic's member worlds also had local defense forces, whose operations were guided by individual Republic senators.

>>93659226
I've got my misgivings with how certain elements of the franchise have been handled under Disney, but some of the stuff that people pin on them is hilarious. I've seen decisions that predate the acquisition by years including TCW's Mandalorian revisions and BF3's cancellation placed at their feet.

Last Star Wars day before a dorm viewing of Rogue One I was talking with someone about the influence of non-film material on the films and he tried to play the "Disney canon is confusing" card only to say minutes later he stated that he hadn't seen Rogue One yet. Dude was trying to complain about something that he hadn't even put in the most basic level of effort to understand.

>>93659623>>93659692
representative governments, for all their flaws, are infinitely more durable than totalitarian regimes based on a cult of personality

>>93659712
so what

>>93659713
its not even the republic, you cant destroy the republic of the united states by nuking one state

>>93659712
bravo JJ

>>93659226
I've said this a million times and it's also the reason when someone says "my favorite movie is Empire strikes back!" I take their sincerity with a grain of salt.

Fortunately I only associate with autists of similar fanaticism for Star Wars as my self in real life, so that's not too much of an issue anywhere but this thread.

>>93659695

There were two Jedi Knights with them who saw the invasion, dozens of eye witnesses that travelled with them, a mysterious communications block on the planet and every one knows the Neimoidians already had a blockade around the planet. Also the ship was shot to shit. Yet the Neimoidians say there's no proof of an invasion. There seems to be A LOT of proof.

I understand Padme being impatient and not wanting to wait for a commission, but the fact that no one else even suggests having the Jedi come in to confirm or deny what the queen is saying cracks me up.

>>93659797
Re-read the opening crawl, genius.

Also you're arrogant so here's an ESB flaw- Obi Wan waits to tell Like about Yods until Luke is dying, for no reason.

>>93659876
Who mentioned the OT?

ALSO, what does the opening crawl have to do with eye witnesses?

>>93659797
That's not quite proof, that's a lot of smoke, but there's no evidence of the fire. Easy to lawyer out of that one, which is exactly what Lott Dodd does.

Furthermore the Jedi can't really expose themselves in the situation because they were secretly sent by Chancellor Valorum on a mission of dubious legality, which now unsuccessful, is a liability to Valorum's credibility instead of a trump card he could use to get the Trade Federation to back down.

>>93659797
>dozens of eye witnesses that travelled with them
Most of whom stayed deep in the ship where no space windows exist. They didn't know shit about what was going on.

>>93659898
Valium sending ambassadors was never a secret. Nite Funday, Palpatine, and Padme all know that Valorum sent ambassadors to Naboo.

Him sending Jedi was a secret because he was wanting to surprise the Neimoidians who were most likely expecting pencil pushers. This in no way implies that sending Jedi as ambassadors was somehow illegal.

>>93659966
Um, they were rounded up by droids when their planet was invaded and had to be rescued by Obi-Wan.

>>93659797
>but the fact that no one else even suggests having the Jedi come in to confirm or deny what the queen is saying
That wouldn't do anything though. The senate would still take TIME to reach a decision.

>>93658127
Okay. Hate to admit it, but that was pretty awesome

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>>93658127
Oh wow that's glorious.

>>93659997
No?
It was because the senate was corrupt and slow so Valorum bypassed it to send Jedi

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>>93658134
What the point of them even having armor?
In all the Star Wars stuff I've ever read or seen I can't think of one time where stormtrooper/clonetrooper armor actually protected them or saved their life.

>>93657191
It doesn't bother as much as just ach to itself which is probably the second most boring Star Wars environment after jakku. And we're stuck with it in TLJ

>>93660249
Dumb frogposter. The armor is there mainly for intimidation factor. Secondary purpose is to passively protect the person inside of it from environmental factors that would normally kill them without it. In-battle it's mostly useless after one or two hits since the cost of changing armor as a war goes on is too much (see: TCW) and wasteful since the enemy can just increase their weapons' output to cut through it just the same. It's only good for blocking melee attacks that aren't enhanced by weapons (Jyn's tonfas, Chirrut's staff, etc) or other unnatural means.

>>93657191
Seeing it in a 4k theater the final shot was of noticeably lower image quality.

>>93660249
>>93660342
One that Chirrut uses for a meat shield in R1 takes like 8 blaster hits before dying, so there must be something to that armor.

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>>93660342
Then why wear cumbersome armor that does nothing?

>>93660254
I like it as a location, the problem is that it's sypposed to be the first jedi hangout, but they didnt are direct it, they just filmed some old huts.

>>93660377
>so there must be something to that armor.
It's called "take as many hits as necessary for a scene."

>>93660400
Physical evidence > supposition.

>>93660398
>does nothing
Did you not read the fucking post? It has a purpose other than stopping energy bullets and lightsabers and melee weapons.

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Wusthe point of the uniform if it can't stop bullets?

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>>93660466
Wusthe point of the hat?

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>>93660525
Style points of course.

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>>93660422
>It's only good for blocking melee attacks that aren't enhanced by weapons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es6gSTX0FMA
I's like to draw your attention to 0:37, 1:41, 1:58, 2:26 and 3:36

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>only 6 anons from these threads are playing Force Arena

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>>93660590
I think everyone not a manchild autist agrees Ewoks are some horseshit already.

>>93660590
Allow me to move the goalposts to better describe what I meant. Jyn and Chirrut can't melee-punch-out Stormtroopers without using melee weapons that punch through the armor. Ewoks do the same with their weapons, since they are weak pieces of shit.

>>93660222
>It was because the senate was corrupt and slow so Valorum bypassed it to send Jedi

When was this said?

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>>93660659
Maybe its just bad writing?

>>93660097
>The senate would still take TIME to reach a decision.

I already said I understand why PADME didn't have patience, but the fact that no one mentioned it was a bit odd.

>>93660758
Palpatine says it to Padme. It's not hard to deduce that nothing fast happens in the Senate when he's there giving her the play-by-play over how procedure bogs down literally everything there.

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>>93659797
Wouldn't somebody just have tweeted about it on space Twitter?

>>93660841
Space twitter doesn't exist. It's all news stations, entertainment (dramas and music), and space email on the HoloNet.

>>93660249
Rex armor saved him in TCW (the episode about the deserter clone and his twi'lek waifu) and in Rebels (The Last Battle)

>>93660841
Tweeted what? Communications disruption, remember? No one on Naboo was tweeting shit, and even if they did, no one on a Core world like Coruscant would give a fuck what some Mid-Rim backwater's beef with the galactic equivalent of Wal-Mart was.

>>93658228
I wish the next issue was only with Lando. Sana is boring as fuck.

>>93660805
>Palpatine says it to Padme. It's not hard to deduce that nothing fast happens in the Senate when he's there giving her the play-by-play over how procedure bogs down literally everything there.

But how does that in any way imply that sending Jedi as ambassadors was somehoe illegal?

I understand that no one was expecting the ambassadors to be Jedi, but unexpected =/= illegal.

>>93660766
>>93660655
>>93660590
>muh ewoks
hello plinkett

>>93660877
So why didn't space CNN report about how all communications to and from Naboo have been cut off? Was no one suspicions that it was blockaded and cut off from the galaxy?

>34 years later and people still hate on the Ewoks
And lemme guess, Jar Jar raped your childhoods too?

>>93661197
Nah, Ewoks are just another weak part of the worst movie in the OT.

>>93661186
I don't watch fake news Holonet (((Muun Media))) thank you very much.

I get my new from holo/pol/

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>>93661224
>worst movie in the OT

>>93661186
>Was no one suspicions that it was blockaded and cut off from the galaxy?

Apparently not because in the PT all the good guys are also really dumb. It's the only way Lucas could get his story to work.

>>93661244
Dumb frogposter

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>>93661186
now you obviously didn't watch the movie and are just looking for things to be mad about, people were suspicious, but suspicions and hunches don't prove Palpatine was colluding with the Neimoidians, the people in the movie do not all get to know what the audience sees, this is literally drama 101

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>>93661244
>ESBfag has shit taste
wow what a surprising turn of events I never would have expected this

>>93661259
>"It's a pseudo-intellectual armchair critic attempts to criticize the prequels/Lucas with a vague and meaningless point that proves he has a poor understanding of the subject matter at hand" episode
Did I click on the wrong channel? This isn't what I wanted to watch

>>93661266
Palpatine and his plan is not what we are talking about, just why Naboo was invaded and no one cared.

>>93660902
Sadly, I cannot address that point without using EU, so thank Fagloni and Hidalgay for wiping the lore and leaving you in the dark.

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>>93661329

>>93661266
>but suspicions and hunches don't prove Palpatine was colluding with the Neimoidians,

Palpatine working with the Neimoidians isn't what we're questioning. What we're questioning is the fact that no one even bats an eye when the Neimoidians say that Padme is lying. Actually, another senator jumps to the Neimoidians side and calls Padme a liar as well. And yet Valorum never once goes, "oh, wait a minute. I fucking sent ambassadors to Naboo and they saw the whole thing. I can get them here in about 20 minutes."

Now, I understand that Lucas was trying to make a point that the senate was basically ineffective, but having all of the characters act like complete idiots just so the story can work is weak writing.

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>>93661338
Truth is truth. Darth Plagueis had the answer to that, but since it's not canon, it now has no answer.

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>>93661329
>this EUDF butthurt
the salt mines of kessel opening up from the EU purge will never fail to please me, every time I feel sorry for them or wish something from the EU wasn't retconned, I always remember posts like this and smile

>>93661307

Lucas can't figure out how to make a somewhat competent government give way to a dictatorship so he just makes all the good guys borderline autistic so they don't think to ask basic questions baout what is going on around them.

Yet somehow it's my fault for having a problem with a weak script.

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>All of those projects that died because of the Disney buyout

>>93661343
whoa...it's almost as if...

corrupt politicians...can use legal loopholes to pursue their own nefarious ends...

what a radical and fantastical concept that has never been seen in the real world...

damn...

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>>93661410
>I enjoy having to fumble in the dark because what used to be easy knowledge hasn't been replaced or even addressed by the cancerous halfwits that erased it all

>>93661457
Most of them looked like trainwrecks according to insiders

Even Sam Witwer talked about how the 1313 and Maul games were probably going to be disliked upon release

>>93661474
>fumble in the dark
read: so illiterate he can't comprehend extremely simple plots so easy children can understand them

>what used to be easy knowledge
AHAHAHHAHAHA
tell me, who stole the Death Star plans?

>>93661474
>its only been 3 years, but i expect every single corner of lore to have been adequately replaced and polished by now, and im going to smear shit over my keyboard and bitch about random Lucasfilm staff because I miss the EU

>>93661511
I'm not willing so wait another 20 years.

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>>93661511
>I enjoy having thread after thread with questions that can't be answered because random Lucasfilm staff destroyed everything that the EU already had answered
>>93661507
Which Death Star? Because that matters.

>>93661507
>tell me, who stole the Death Star plans?
Everyone. EVERY ONE.

>>93661465
>corrupt politicians...can use legal loopholes to pursue their own nefarious ends...

Please explain how what you just said explains why Valorum didn't bring in the Jedi as witnesses or AT THE LEAST suggest doing so.

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>>93661543
the one IG88 hacked the mainframe and became the AI of while Emperor Palpatine was using his Force Battle Morale to turn all the imperials into his RTS units while preparing to defend the galaxy against the Force-Immune Cenobites fleeing their galaxy of roving Tonka Truck rape gangs

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Ahsoka wants Lux's separatist femboy ass

>>93661543
>because random Lucasfilm staff destroyed everything that the EU already had answered

Newsflash: The EU was never canon dude. Never. All Lucasfilm did was officially reinforce that.

>>93659586
We don't even know if Ciena was even present at the battle of Scarif because its stated them catching up to the Tantive IV was a few days later. The Devastator could've parked at a station to refuel and got new personnel.

>>93661625
>wants
buddy she had him multiple times

>>93660758
>When was this said?
>Opening crawl TPM
>While the congress of the Republic endlessly debates this alarming chain of events, the Supreme Chancellor has secretly dispatched two Jedi Knights, the guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy, to settle the conflict....
> secretly dispatched two Jedi Knights, the guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy, to settle the conflict....
http://www.starwars.com/video/star-wars-episode-i-the-phantom-menace-opening-crawl

In the old days, when you trolled you actually put effort into it. It sounded like you knew exactly what you talked about but maybe were ill-informed. You got everyone into it. But these days people pretend to be retarded and it works.

>>93661630
There were still answers, and then there were none. Unless YOU can answer why Valorum sending Jedi was considered abnormal, which you can't without resorting to the EU for the context since it's never addressed in TPM, then there is no defending the wipe as being a good thing when in so doing it leaves information gaps in the canon itself. The bulk of the EU needed the purge, it had nothing to do with the circumstances of the films; in this case, however, they cut too far and too deeply and have thus far shown no compunction to correct their error, but are instead committing to tangential information that has no bearing on the events already shown.

>>93661610
Because opening crawl states they were brought in secretly by the Chancellor. If he admitted to secretly inviting them into the conflict...

0/10, anon. At least pretend to know what you're talking about.

>>93661773
>there were still answers
yeah Abe Simpson answers, a fat lot of good wearing onions on your belt (which was the style at the time) tells you about the real world

>>93661803
At the very least, we would still have an onion to eat, instead of having the nothing we've been left to contend with, and chewing on belt leather is tough.

>>93661773
>Unless YOU can answer why Valorum sending Jedi was considered abnormal
already explained multiple times in the thread

>leaves information gaps in the canon itself
what the fuck do you think the franchise was before the EU came around? is the OT bad because the entire compendium of supporting material by 1983 were a few shitty novels and comics? fuck off retard, go back to the RLM youtube comments where you belong

>>93661843
>nothing
>8 movies
>2 animated series
>20 novels
>20 comic series
>most of this in just 3 years
do you think before you post or just let the hurt feelings and buttrange do the typing for you

>>93661851
It hasn't been explained in the least. Apart from the fact Valorum sent them secretly, there's no information about why he had to send them secretly, or why him sending them at all would have been considered unusual. The movie addresses none of those reasons, and neither have you. You know what does address those reasons? Darth Plagueis. Your move, hero.

And by 1993, the EU had answered the questions of the OT, so your example is pure idiocy on your part. Fuck along now.

>>93661902
>>nothing
>>8 movies
>>2 animated series
>>20 novels
>>20 comic series
>>most of this in just 3 years
>tangential information not related to the question at hand
NOTHING. Them fellating their way through the handful of years between ROTS and ANH and everything after ROTJ does NOTHING to correct the gaps in information about the state of things prior to TPM.

>>93661932
it didn't answer anything about the clone wars or really anything important prior to ANH

>why he had to send them secretly
literally explained in the opening crawl, not even going to bother refuting the rest of your bait since you just outed yourself as a fake fan

>>93661740
>secretly dispatched two Jedi Knights

Once again... Everybody knew that the Chancellor was sending ambassadors. All the major players (Nute Gunray, Palpatine, Valorum, and Padme) knew that Valorum was sending ambassadors to meet with the Trade Federation unit that had a blockade around Naboo.

The only secret part was that instead of Valorum sending his usual pencil pushing ambassadors, he sent two Jedi. secret =/= illegal.

>>93661482
>Sam Witwer talked about how the 1313 and Maul games were probably going to be disliked upon release
Why would people hate them? Maul and bounty hunters are the things people like the most.

And what about Battlefront 3? Surely it couldn't have been worse than the DICE one?

>>93661780
see
>>93662003

>>93655671
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0JtOdl3Q9I

>>93661986
It didn't need to. Nothing existed of relevance prior to ANH, but that was no longer the case after TPM was filmed. That changed the state of available information, which only the EU has addressed.

And no, the opening crawl doesn't provide an answer to the above questions. What was so different about THIS incident that JEDI were secretly sent instead of diplomatic service being sent openly, and WHY did it HAVE to be Jedi? You're not going to get that from the opening crawl, or in anything spoken or shown in TPM itself, nor were they addressed in the Clone Wars series where arguably they could have been referenced to. Those answers are casualties of the wipe.

>>93661773
>There were still answers, and then there were none.
There were unofficial answers, and now those are completely irrelevant instead of only slightly relevant.

> Unless YOU can answer why Valorum sending Jedi was considered abnormal, which you can't without resorting to the EU for the context since it's never addressed in TPM,
Based on the context of the dialogue in the film and opening crawl it's extremely simple. Gunray was expecting typical normal old ambassadors that could easily be intimidated or otherwise strong-armed into a deal that the TF found favorable.

Instead, Valorum sent Jedi, who would not be so easily swayed. Gunray, having never dealt with Jedi and being afraid of them, panicked.

>then there is no defending the wipe as being a good thing when in so doing it leaves information gaps in the canon itself.
It was unquestionably a good thing and canon has been filling in any gaps that there are, but none of those gaps(besides the new ones created due to TFA) are major. This "gap" you're attempting to say is there does not exist.

>The bulk of the EU needed the purge, it had nothing to do with the circumstances of the films;
The entire EU needed the purge. Everything.

> in this case, however, they cut too far and too deeply
Nope.

>and have thus far shown no compunction to correct their error,
They made no error.

>but are instead committing to tangential information that has no bearing on the events already shown.
Oh, so you haven't actually been following canon.

>>93661932
>there's no information about why he had to send them secretly, or why him sending them at all would have been considered unusual.
Why?
Why?
Why?
Star Wars is for twelve-year-olds, not toddler's. Come back in a decade.

>>93661780
>Because opening crawl states they were brought in secretly by the Chancellor.

If I'm a state senator and a company in my state is doing something questionable and the people of my state have asked me to speak with them I have three options.

1) Go speak with them myself.
2) Send my usual ambassador to speak on my behalf.
3) Send my friend, who is the sheriff of the county that the company resides in, without telling the company (secretly) to speak on my behalf as a scare tactic.

None of these things are illegal.

secret =/= illegal

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>>93658328
The art looks cool as shit.

>>93662032
Battlefront 3 was cancelled LONG before Disney showed up brah. Most of the cancelled projects were.

BF3's story was retarded, about Jedi clones and shit. It wasn't going to be the holy grail people thought it would be.

As for the Maul/1313 games, both were being completely overhauled from the ground up because of how bad they were. The E3 build they showed off for 1313? That was scrapped entirely BEFORE they showed gameplay. The E3 demo was literally shown because they had nothing else from the actual game.

The Maul one was a complete mess, with tons of Dark sabered Mandos, and a conflicting Savage origin story, because the devs had little communication with Lucasfilm, but were desperately trying to connect their game to TCW to validate it. They were also unsure when the game was even going to be set, with three completely different time periods "settled on" at different points in development.

Just a mess

>>93662118
>3) Send my friend, who is the sheriff of the county that the company resides in, without telling the company (secretly) to speak on my behalf as a scare tactic.
>as a scare tactic
that's called blackmail which is WILDLY illegal

>>93662154
>caring about story in a multilplayer shooter
Who cares, it looked fun.

>>93662074
>Based on the context of the dialogue in the film and opening crawl it's extremely simple. Gunray was expecting typical normal old ambassadors that could easily be intimidated or otherwise strong-armed into a deal that the TF found favorable.
>Instead, Valorum sent Jedi, who would not be so easily swayed. Gunray, having never dealt with Jedi and being afraid of them, panicked.

The main question is why didn't Valorum bring in the Jedi when Padme was accused of lying? Why didn't he at least suggest bringing them in? It would only have helped Padme's case. Valorum, although a weak leader, does genuinely want to help Padme. Even Palpatine admits that Valorum WANTS to help, but then goes on to say that Valorum has little real power to actually help.

>>93662074
>It was unquestionably a good thing and canon has been filling in any gaps that there are, but none of those gaps(besides the new ones created due to TFA) are major. This "gap" you're attempting to say is there does not exist.
Any gap is major. Missing information is always a font of problematic assumptions. Everything prior to TPM is a problematic assumption now when before it wasn't.

>The entire EU needed the purge. Everything.
Which explains totally why they keep delving back into it.

>They made no error.
Clearly they have, or we wouldn't have having this discussion.

>Oh, so you haven't actually been following canon.
Strawman, and there's no canon to follow that covers the events in question, because they're ignoring it in favor of filling in years that don't need filling in.

>>93662179

That's not what blackmail is.

>>93662154
Pretty sure what was there for BF3 was incorporated into the Elite and RenegadeSquadron games on the PSP. They were decent from what I recall beyond PSP controls, but yeah the story was nothing great.

Switching battlefields from space to ground was fun.

>>93662218
>threatening a business by sending your cop buddy to scare em
extortion, blackmail, whatever, you're still behaving like Vito Corleone ya stupid fuckin sociopathic eu shill

>>93662192
See >>93662233 at this stage you might as well also play the mods for BF2 that add very similar maps to it without having to use the clunky controls.

>>93662003
>Everybody knew that the Chancellor was sending ambassadors
>Jedi
Source?

>All the major players (Nute Gunray, Palpatine, Valorum, and Padme)
You really should watch the movie. They knew they were sending ambassadors, not Jedi. They were all extremely surprised to discover they were Jedi. Are you honestly pretending to be retarded?

>>93662034
Nice samefagging your own ignorance. Once again, pretend to watch the movie at least.

>>93662259
>fuckin sociopathic eu shill

I have not mentioned the EU once. That is the other anon. And yes, there is more than one person in here who has a problem with the senate scenes in TPM.

But, back to this issue of blackmail, how is Valorum sending two Jedi Knights, the group known for protecting the Republic, blackmail?

How would a state senator sending his cop buddy to a company to discuss their questionable acts blackmail? He is an officer of the law being sent to discuss whether a group of people are breaking the law or not. Who else would be able to answer the questions better? A lawyer? I have a lawyer friend that I could send as well. Just because I don't send my "official" ambassador doesn't mean what I have done is illegal.

Just because Valorum hasn't sent his official ambassador doesn't make what he did was illegal.

Once again secret =/= illegal.

>>93662118
They sent Jedi you fucking idiot.

>>93662193
>The main question is why didn't Valorum bring in the Jedi when Padme was accused of lying? Why didn't he at least suggest bringing them in? It would only have helped Padme's case. Valorum, although a weak leader, does genuinely want to help Padme. Even Palpatine admits that Valorum WANTS to help, but then goes on to say that Valorum has little real power to actually help.
Because it would reveal that Valorum went behind the Senate's back and secretly sent Jedi as ambassadors. The TF, Naboo, and Valorum knew of the Ambassadors but the Senate did not. Hence why the crawl states that the Jedi were dispatched in secret.

>>93662198
>Any gap is major.
Nope.

> Everything prior to TPM is a problematic assumption now when before it wasn't.
It was never a problematic assumption and the EU being officially declared noncanon changes nothing.

>Which explains totally why they keep delving back into it.
Just because the EU needed to be completely purged doesn't mean that elements from it cannot be reused or repurposed for canon.

Like I said, it all needed to be purged. There was no way to just keep some and not the rest. With it all being noncanon, now stuff that is salvageable can be properly salvaged.

>Clearly they have, or we wouldn't have having this discussion.
We're only having this conversation because you can't understand a film made for 12 year olds.

>Strawman,
Your post was a strawman, correct.

>and there's no canon to follow that covers the events in question,
Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace

>because they're ignoring it
They're not ignoring anything.

> in favor of filling in years that don't need filling in.
They're filling in multiple years in multiple time frames that need filling in

>>93662371
>>Everybody knew that the Chancellor was sending ambassadors
>>Jedi
>Source?
>>All the major players (Nute Gunray, Palpatine, Valorum, and Padme)
>You really should watch the movie. They knew they were sending ambassadors, not Jedi. They were all extremely surprised to discover they were Jedi. Are you honestly pretending to be retarded?

I have stated all of this. I'm not disagreeing with any of what you just said. What I am asking is how was sending two Jedi instead of normal ambassadors illegal?

secret =/= illegal

>>93658134
>Shoretroopers beyond Scarif

My dream come true

>>93662400

Did the post you tagged state that Valorum didn't send Jedi? What are you arguing?

>>93662193
>The main question is why didn't Valorum bring in the Jedi when Padme was accused of lying?
Because if he did, it he would have to explain to the senate that he sent in Jedi behind their backs. Dude, are you serious right now?

>Why didn't he at least suggest bringing them in?
Because they were deadlocked and it wasn't the politically correct thing to do? Deploying troops without congress would warrant a lot of questions wouldnt it?

>Even Palpatine admits that Valorum WANTS to help, but then goes on to say that Valorum has little real power to actually help.
He literally maneuvered Valorum into a position that made him look extremely weak and cowardly. ANYTHING he did would've ended badly for him? Did you miss Mas was in his ear the entire time?

>>93661625
Did they both enjoy pegging?

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>>93661625
Ezra has a better femboy ass.

What the fuck was Darth Nihilus's deal?

>>93662154
They're just games though. Battlefront 2's story was shit and definitely not canon but it was still fun to play.

>>93662433
Because the movie implies sending the Jedi without Senate approval is questionable. The fact that Valorum ignores them completely should reinforce that.

Is this the same guy that didn't know the vote of no confidence was a real thing, and got BTFO the other night?

>>93662432
>Because it would reveal that Valorum went behind the Senate's back and secretly sent Jedi as ambassadors. The TF, Naboo, and Valorum knew of the Ambassadors but the Senate did not. Hence why the crawl states that the Jedi were dispatched in secret.

Valorum didn't go behind the senates back to send ambassadors. The senate knew he sent ambassadors. How could they not know? The TF knows, Palpatine knows, Padme knows... why would any of those parties keep that a secret?

The part no one knew about was that instead of sending regular ambassadors, Valorum sent Jedi. He secretly sent Jedi. He didn't secretly send ambassadors.

What I am asking is why didn't Valorum at least suggest that the senate hear testimony from his two ambassadors who were sent to Naboo?

You all keep saying because he did so illegally, but nothing in the movie states that having Jedi act as ambassadors for the Supreme Chancellor is illegal.

>>93655671
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEX5uB7f33I

>>93662542
>Because the movie implies sending the Jedi without Senate approval is questionable.

It does not imply this at all.

The fact that Valorum ignores them completely should reinforce that.

A character acting like an idiot does not "reinforce" anything. It just proves that Lucas has to have the good guys act like idiots in order for his story to work.

>>93662605

That third line should also be greentext

>>93662562
>Valorum didn't go behind the senates back to send ambassadors.

While the congress of the Republic endlessly debates this alarming chain of events, the Supreme Chancellor has secretly dispatched two Jedi Knights, the guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy, to settle the conflict....

>The senate knew he sent ambassadors.
Then why were these supposed ambassadors never brought up in the Senate? Why did no member ask for their testimony?

>How could they not know? The TF knows, Palpatine knows, Padme knows... why would any of those parties keep that a secret?

While the congress of the Republic endlessly debates this alarming chain of events, the Supreme Chancellor has secretly dispatched two Jedi Knights, the guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy, to settle the conflict....

>The part no one knew about was that instead of sending regular ambassadors, Valorum sent Jedi. He secretly sent Jedi. He didn't secretly send ambassadors.

While the congress of the Republic endlessly debates this alarming chain of events, the Supreme Chancellor has secretly dispatched two Jedi Knights, the guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy, to settle the conflict....

>What I am asking is why didn't Valorum at least suggest that the senate hear testimony from his two ambassadors who were sent to Naboo?
Because the ambassadors were never officially sent, and revealing them would reveal that Valorum was a corrupt Chancellor who went behind the Senate's back

>You all keep saying because he did so illegally, but nothing in the movie states that having Jedi act as ambassadors for the Supreme Chancellor is illegal.

While the congress of the Republic endlessly debates this alarming chain of events, the Supreme Chancellor has secretly dispatched two Jedi Knights, the guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy, to settle the conflict....

>>93660884
They've established several times in Rebels that Stormtrooper armor is shit compared to Clone armor

>>93662605
>It does not imply this at all.
You're bad at watching movies.
The opening crawl implies that Valorum bypassed the senate.

>>93662605
>Chancellor bypasses the senate
>completely normal
1/10

epic trollin bro

>>93662670
It's pretty clear he's pretending to be retarded at this point

>>93660902
Sending the Jedi as ambassadors waan't necessarily illegal, but bypassing Senate procedure at a time when the Senate bureaucracy was shoving procedure down Valorum's throat would have implied that the corruption swung both ways. It would have suggested that Valorum had no confidence in the political process which the Jedi were normally separate from, and that the Chancellor's will trumped that of the Senate, which would have turned him into an emperor - which was Palpatine's endgame under circumstances where it wouldn't necessarily be seen as so terrible a thing.

It's all stuff that wouldn't have been as contraversial in a better time, but because Palpatine had the Senate wrapped around his finger he made it out to be a potentially bigger issue than need be. It's kind of in his saying that the Chancellor should never have brought the Jedi into the situation.

>>93662801

I guess my issue is that Valorum sending Jedi is never brought up at any point. The senate KNEW he sent ambassadors, so why didn't anyone ask what they saw? Someone even suggest a commission be sent, yet no one asks for testimony for two people who were already sent.

What you just said would have made a better story. That would have been great if a senator would have asked for testimony from the Chancellors ambassadors, found out they were Jedi, and then Valorum is stuck having to answer why.

>>93662670
>While the congress of the Republic endlessly debates this alarming chain of events, the Supreme Chancellor has secretly dispatched two Jedi Knights, the guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy, to settle the conflict....

Evading the dreaded Imperial Starfleet, a group of freedom fighters led by Luke Skywalker has established a new secret base on the remote ice world of Hoth.

Opening crawl is not always 100% accurate.

My point still stands that everyone knows that the Chancellor sent ambassadors. No one knew they were Jedi. Nowhere in the movie does it state that Valorum sending Jedi as ambassadors is illegal. So why not use them to reinforce Padme's claim that her planet has been attacked?

>>93662752

He didn't bypass the senate. Everyone knew he sent ambassadors to discuss the blockade.

>>93662935
>The senate KNEW he sent ambassadors, so why didn't anyone ask what they saw?
>>93663040
>He didn't bypass the senate. Everyone knew he sent ambassadors to discuss the blockade.

While the congress of the Republic endlessly debates this alarming chain of events, the Supreme Chancellor has secretly dispatched two Jedi Knights, the guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy, to settle the conflict....

>>93662554
probably because he cant stop posting >secret =/= illegal
as if that were an indefatigable argument

What's the /swco/nsensus on the Screaming Citadel arc?

>>93663006
>Evading the dreaded Imperial Starfleet, a group of freedom fighters led by Luke Skywalker has established a new secret base on the remote ice world of Hoth.
>Opening crawl is not always 100% accurate.
That's completely accurate though.

>My point still stands that everyone knows that the Chancellor sent ambassadors.
No, the TF, Naboo, and Valorum knew of the ambassadors. There is no evidence anyone else know, and the crawl states the contrary.

>No one knew they were Jedi.
No one besides a few parties immediately involved know the ambassadors were sent.

> Nowhere in the movie does it state that Valorum sending Jedi as ambassadors is illegal.
While the congress of the Republic endlessly debates this alarming chain of events, the Supreme Chancellor has secretly dispatched two Jedi Knights, the guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy, to settle the conflict....

>So why not use them to reinforce Padme's claim that her planet has been attacked?
Again, because the Senate did not know ambassadors were sent and revealing so would cause an entire mess of its own.

>>93662935
>The senate KNEW he sent ambassadors
Source? Only the TF and the Naboo knew about it. Because they were trying to settle it before it escalated.

>Someone even suggest a commission be sent
The only thing anyone knew was the Trade Federation blockaded the planet. Not launched an invasion force, captured the planet and tried to kidnap its queen. Padme came there making wild claims. Not even the Trade Federation wanted to launch troops, it was on Palpatine's orders. They were terrified of even doing it on legal grounds. They TF senators are genuinely shocked Padme would've even made such a claim because it was BOLD move by Gunray. Did you watch the movie?!

>What you just said would have made a better story
Too obvious, anon.

>>93663160
Pretty neat, had some amazing Luke moments. Larocca's art is still lame though.

>>93662935
I think the fact that they'd asked for a commission to be sent long after the fact implies that they in fact did not know ambassadors had already been sent. And it wasn't just Jedi, but a Judicial Corps cruiser and crew. No one asked about that, either. From all of that, including the fact that the only people who met the Naboo party on the landing pad were Valorum and Palpatine, means to say that the Jedi mission was secret even from the squabbling Senate.

I honestly don't believe Lucas is as bad a writer as most people here think. It's just that a lot of us have been brought up to see holes in things that aren't directly filled from moment to moment. Sure, there are things that aren't addressed in the movie itself but it's not the movie's responsibility to be completely and obsessively thorough on details. It would have helped some of us here, clearly, but sometimes it's better to link things together by yourself. After all, that's what lets the storyteller know you're actually paying attention to the story.

IF EVERYONE KNEW VALORUM SENT AMBASSADORS WHY WOULD NUTE GUNRAY BLOW UP THE FUCKING CONSULAR SHIP AND ASSASSINATE EVERYBODY? THAT WOULD RAISE A LOT OF QUESTIONS IF THE "DIPLOMATIC" ACTIVITY WEREN'T ALREADY ILLICITLY SUSPECT

>>93663160
should have been better, could have been worse

>>93663160
Wasn't that bad. I enjoyed it

>>93663189
Yeah definitely preferred Aphra's artist. But it added some great depth to both characters.
>>93663232
Me too man, loved the Queens prequel-esque design. Pretty satisfying imo.
>>93663220
I just really like the establishing of the Queen as an immortal. Hoping to see her as a villain across eras.

>>93663219
>After all, that's what lets the storyteller know you're actually paying attention to the story.
>actually paying attention to the story
number 1 reason arguments about the franchise exist, nobody fucking pays attention and is either an insufferable braindead fake fan normie or an intentionally obtuse troll complaining about things they don't like

>>93663393
that brainbug infecting the random villager was the most pointless batshit shaggy dog ending, and easily the worst part of the arc aside from disgusting yucky yuri kisses

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>>93654871
>phase 1 ugly in tcw
>phase 1
>ever ugly
Something doesn't add up here....

>>93663470
>disgusting yucky yuri kisses
You have to be 18 to post here

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This thread deserves to be tossed to a toothy tentacular vagina monster.

>>93663160
Started off cool and became awful obscure EU comic tier.

>>93663537
With an erection, apparently

>>93663503
there was always something intangible about phase 1 armor that didn't sit right with me and I pretty much always preferred every other type of armor (even tcw version) to it, but lately having realized that Phase 1 is basically the most retro art deco zeerust Rocketeer Buck Rogers Flash Gordon golden age scifi fanwank possible I've come to appreciate the AOTC clones a lot more

>>93663537
We're on topic talking about TPM, not arguing about RL politics, or retarded waifus

How much spice was Sienar in when he designed TIEs?

>>93663537
this is the one SE change that always bugged me, the gaping toothy sphincter hole was a lot more chilling and thrilling than the cgi clam beak thing that didn't even fit all the way around the mooks it consumed

>>93663589
there's literally nothing wrong with (canon) TIE designs

>>93663589
>short-range snub fighter
>powerful engines
>very agile
>powerful laser cannons that rip through shielded craft and corvettes

>>93663606
It's a ball turret with wings that has shit shields

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>>93663627
And?

>>93663470
I actually liked the sequel bait. It was implied from the getgo anyway with "Book I".
Yuri smooch was one panel. I liked it.
>>93663562
I disagree. Obscure EU shit can be god awful. This was actually a satisfying story that introduced some great designs, and a new villain that can comeback in every era if they wanted.
I get where you're coming from though, it wrapped up a little too clean. No loose threads aside from her ressurection.

>>93663627
It not only keeps up with X-Wing's but can destroy them in one volley. And from what we've seen, groups of TIEs can cripple larger vessels. See Rebels and Rogue 1. They're short-range carrier based starfighters, not long range reconnaissance vehicles like Rebel ships. Completely different doctrine.

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>hating on based TIE fighters in 2017
Trump was a mistake.

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>>93663698
Exactly, Empire fighters are like Axis aircraft, Rebel stuff is like the Allies'.

Most TIE fighters are like the Bf 109 or A6M Zero, with the TIE defender and Advanced being experimental wunderwaffe like the ME262. Meanwhile the letter wings are more like P51 Mustangs and P38 Lightnings

>>93663736
>Praising a shieldless ship that sounds like a dog howling

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>>93663608
This.

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>>93663589
Exact quantities vary depending on the model, but we can assume they were extremely high.

As was the man himself.

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>>93663791
Why do you do this? Attack people's inoffensive opinions to stir up a flamewar in the face of evidence to the contrary in the form of the movies? Are you gonna call Y-wings useless slow bombers next?

>>93663828
You're right. Pay it no mind. Just me being a harmless smartass.

Also, can't seem to get that webm out of my head.

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>>93663791
Sorry, can't hear you behind your bitch shield and enhanced ability to run away from the battle.

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>>93663847
This webm? Or the Bassett Hound TIE howl on the /wsg/ YLYL?

>>93663866
The basset hound one.

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>>93663828

Never understood why people disliked TIEs in old canon. They got the Stormtrooper treatment of 70's era mooks. They're pretty decent at what they do just not to Heros.

TIE/In are excellent short-range starfighters with powerful guns. They're meant to be used with interceptors and powerful destroyers, corvettes and frigates. The Empire just underestimated Rebel starfighter tactics because they were using Clone War era tactics during the Civil War. You can see this in the movies too. Big destroyers with snubs as screens? Screams CIS tactics. Rebels didnt need big cruisers or destroyers, just long-range Incom fighters with capital ship busting torpedoes and concussion missiles.

>>93663828
You should post the gif of the TIEs fucking up the Rebels too. Quite a few X-Wings and Y-Wings get fucked

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>>93663903
They did need big cruisers though, that's one of the Rebellion's mantras, it's just that they didn't place pretty much all the focus on capship vs capship battles, recognizing the value of long range independently operable space superiority fighters coming from mobile bases (e.g. American Carrier Doctrine)

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>>93663935
I don't have any of those gifs because they're self evident if you actually watched the movies. R1, ANH, and ROTJ all show the TIEs succeed in their intended role and fail when out of their element. But unfortunately there's a huge, nearly impossible to shake bad meme from Rogue Squadron that the Y-wing and B-wing are useless slow dedicated bombers that can't do jack shit so I keep these around.

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The subject of Cavan Scott's story has been revealed

http://tinyletter.com/cavanscott/letters/the-cavletter-018-my-star-wars-from-a-certain-point-of-view-story

>Thanks to my lovely editor at Del Rey books, I'm allowed to reveal both the character and scene my own story is based on.

>I shall do so through the medium of action figures.

>My character is...


>Yup, that's right. It's Obi-Wan Kenobi. I can't tell you how excited I was to get the greenlight to tell this story.

>Entitled 'Time of Death', it focuses on the moment when Darth Vader's lightsaber strikes old Ben down on the Death Star, and is told completely from Obi-Wan's POV.

>You know how they say your life flashes in front of your eyes when you die? Well, now imagine what would be like for a Jedi.

>I can't wait for you to be able to read 'Time of Death' and the rest of the From a Certain Point of View stories when the book hits shelves on 3 October.

>>93664053
Now, if we can just get a dooku book by Luceno, we'd be fucking set

>>93664053
That sounds dope as fuck

>>93663058
>>93663160
>>Evading the dreaded Imperial Starfleet, a group of freedom fighters led by Luke Skywalker has established a new secret base on the remote ice world of Hoth.
>>Opening crawl is not always 100% accurate.
>That's completely accurate though.

So General Reiken wasn't in charge of Echo base, Luke was? Luke, a lowly commander was in charge? Not the General?

And when Luke, who apparently was in charge now, went missing, only Han and Leia were worried? Not every single person at the base who apparently served under him?

>>93664053
>Obi-Wan post-ANH
Jesus Christ, who fucking cares? Stop dicking with OT-era shit already. Give us what happened between TPM and TCW already.

>>93664232
>Riekaan
It was obvious Leia was in charge anyway. He looked to her for everything.

>>93664243
It's the ANH 40th anniversary book you mong

>>93664232
Shhh sweetie it's okay, we understand, you can't into movies, we have a board that welcomes people just like you, you'll fit right in and your feefees won't get booboos.
>>>/tv/

>>93664232
>So General Reiken wasn't in charge of Echo base, Luke was?
General Reiken was hardly a leader, he kept going to Leia and co. for leadership

>And when Luke, who apparently was in charge now, went missing, only Han and Leia were worried? Not every single person at the base who apparently served under him?
Which is why the Rebellion sent out an extensive search party as soon as the weather wasn't a fucking blizzard?

>>93664243
>Obi-Wan post-ANH
It's in ANH you fucking retard. Learn how to read

>Jesus Christ, who fucking cares? Stop dicking with OT-era shit already. Give us what happened between TPM and TCW already.
This is the fucking ANH 40th Anniversary book you fucking retard.

>>93663058
>While the congress of the Republic endlessly debates this alarming chain of events, the Supreme Chancellor has secretly dispatched two Jedi Knights, the guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy, to settle the conflict....

Do you not know how to read. Everyone knew he sent ambassadors. The fact that he used JEDI as AMBASSADORS was the secret, not the ambassadors in and of themselves.

And he clearly didn't do it in secret because Nute Gunray is in no way surprised that they showed up. The TF wasn't worried until AFTER they found out the ambassadors were Jedi.

And before you say only the TF, Palpatine and Padme knew, IF the Trade Federation knew that the Valorum had done something illegal, why didn't they fucking say it? They could have fucking destroyed him in front of the senate.

Unless they wanted Valorum to remain chancellor because Valorum isn't strong enough to fight them politically, but then you have to ask yourself why would Valorum send Jedi at all if he knew it was career suicide? It seems like there is a lot of stuff going on that isn't explained i.e. people have filled in the gaps of a shitty script with their own headcanon.

>>93664232
I don't understand why this is relevant to my post..

>>93664053
>Tfw we will probably finally get to know what it feels like to become a Force Spirit

>>93664389

I tagged you on accident.

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>>93658190
man, this issue is really stupid. they really jumped the shark with this shit.

>Super Quills that can pierce armor
>magic shit mixed with sulfer and some spare dynamite that can destroy an AT-AT when ignited

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>>93664097
This. Dickriding Obi-Wan is something no one fucking wants more of.

>>93664385
>Do you not know how to read.
Do you?

>Everyone knew he sent ambassadors. The fact that he used JEDI as AMBASSADORS was the secret, not the ambassadors in and of themselves.
No, the secret was that he sent ambassadors. Hence why it says that the Senate was debating the events.

>And he clearly didn't do it in secret because Nute Gunray is in no way surprised that they showed up. The TF wasn't worried until AFTER they found out the ambassadors were Jedi.
He did it in secret from the Senate. Only Naboo, the TF, and Valorum knew.

>And before you say only the TF, Palpatine and Padme knew, IF the Trade Federation knew that the Valorum had done something illegal, why didn't they fucking say it? They could have fucking destroyed him in front of the senate.
Because the TF is just as corrupt as he is and they though they could easily manipulate the ambassadors into a deal.

Naboo and Valorum hoped that this would end the conflict.

>Unless they wanted Valorum to remain chancellor because Valorum isn't strong enough to fight them politically, but then you have to ask yourself why would Valorum send Jedi at all if he knew it was career suicide?
Because if the Jedi succeeded, it would put him in favor even though he did it behind the Senate's back. It would show that he can make decisions that are good and beneficial.

> It seems like there is a lot of stuff going on that isn't explained i.e. people have filled in the gaps of a shitty script with their own headcanon.
The film explains it plainly and clearly, you're the only one who doesn't seem to understand.

>>93664483
I want this book too you faggot

I'm excited

>lightsaber crystals bleed
I prefered Sith alchemy, it makes the Sith seem more like their own thing.

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>anthoni takes a fucking plane to work

>>93664608
Sith Alchemy is still a thing, and bleeding the crystal is also a Sith thing.

What's the problem exactly here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL6OPMp4IUY

>>93664569
This. Can't we want it all?

>>93664564
>The film explains it plainly and clearly, you're the only one who doesn't seem to understand.

Let us say you are right. Let us say, just for the sake of argument that NO ONE knew that Valorum sent ambassadors, not the TF, Palpatine, Padme, or anybody else except Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan. Where does it state in the movie that this is illegal or unethical?

How is Valorum sending ambassadors ( Jedi or otherwise) to speak on his behalf directly with the Trade Federation Viceroy who has blockaded Naboo illegal or unethical?

>>93664636
Sith have to loot crystals off of Jedi instead of making their own crystals.

>>93664638
man these are sucky

where the fuck is hera
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>93664638
Stormies looking a little derpy there, but otherwise not too shabby

>>93664689
Well the Sith are all about using perverse unnatural uses of the force. Taking a crystal and breaking its connection to the Jedi it chose is pretty much perfect.

What is the Other M of Star Wars?

>>93664638
And suddenly I get the feeling we'll get the Ahsoka short last. Then again, maybe it's too soon to comment on that.

>>93664647
>Let us say you are right. Let us say, just for the sake of argument that NO ONE knew that Valorum sent ambassadors, not the TF, Palpatine, Padme, or anybody else except Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan.
That's not what I said. Your first sentence was fine but I'm not saying no one knew. I'm saying ONLY the TF, Naboo, the Jedi, and Valorum knew of the Ambassadors.

The Senate clearly didn't know because they were busy debating the events and didn't ask for testimony from them. Hell, like >>93663219 said(and you ignored) they even ask for a commission to be sent so they clearly didn't know Ambassadors had already been sent. Like the fucking crawl states, Valorum sent the ambassadors in secret while the Senate was busy endlessly debating shit.

>Where does it state in the movie that this is illegal or unethical?
The. opening. crawl.

>How is Valorum sending ambassadors ( Jedi or otherwise) to speak on his behalf directly with the Trade Federation Viceroy who has blockaded Naboo illegal or unethical?
Because it bypasses an entire section of the government completely? Checks and balances ring a bell?

The US President can't just declare war or appoint Ambassadors or members of the Cabinet. They are nominated, and then the US Senate has to confirm them.

Same situation here. The Chancellor cannot just send Ambassadors, he has to go through the Senate.

>>93664777
TFA?

>>93664797
The Ahsoka/Hera episodes are the only ones people give a shit about, because there's much less freedom to expand the stories of the movie characters right now