Characters that benefited from a portrayal that wasn't faithful.

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>>93646521
There are more of these than one would initially believe.

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>>93646581
Then again, you could post half of the MCU, and it would apply.

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The most obvious one but you could probably make the argument that Ledger's overtly serious portrayal created this new trend of people trying to out do each other of how "dark" and "crazy" the Joker can be with little thought put into the actual character. But counter-counter argument is you could say this was a on going process since A Death in the Family and The Killing Joke.

Space-Dad

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>>93646748
Tumorplanet

>>93646521
You can argue if Star-Lord was faithful to the Claremont era Star-Lord, since he was suppose to be an adventurer Han Solo type of swashbuckler and Englehart's version was a jerk and MCU Peter portrayed both versions perfectly.

He wasn't faithful to Giffen's interpretation but at that point that character was older and jaded so they weren't going with him.

The only problem is that comic Star-Lord and comic Tony didn't benefit from those portrayals but that is the fault of the comic writers flanderizing the MCU characters and not being able to capture what made them great.

>>93646652
Totally agree, MCU Falcon is the best.

A lot of Disney characters.

>>93646652

>Then again, you could post half of the MCU, and it would apply.

Pretty much everyone except Thor and basically all of the villains.

>>93646652
Unironically this. MCU Sam is fucking great

>>93647067
Thor always sucked though.

>>93647067
Loki, Kingpin, Cottonmouth, Ronan, Purple Man, Ego, Winter Soldier.

>>93647067
Loki, Kingpin, Cottonmouth, Ronan, Purple Man, Ego, Winter Soldier.

>>93647177
>>93647191
Fucking mobile.

>>93647177

>Ronan
>Improved

Go fuck yourself.

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>>93647177
>Ronan

>>93647311
Why did I type Ronan?

WHY DID I DO IT TWICE

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And honestly several other dc chars as well but you get the idea.

>>93647100
MCU Falcon is mostly just 90% Mackie being charming as hell and 10% the Russos pushing him because they find Mackie charming as hell.

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Yes and no. I like MCU Star-Lord, but I fucking love his old costume that isn't just riffing on firefly and the comics don't seem to understand how to play him, it's just MEMES MEMES MEMES every few minutes and it's unbearable, not in a good way.

>>93647791
No joke, that is a sick fucking costume. Like WWI German Rocketman.

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>>93647852
It's like 90% of the problem I have with meme-lord. I really like the gotg movies, but here you have one of the single best superhero costumes in creation, and it's one of the things lost in translation from books to movies. It's probably never coming back, either.

>>93647791
Yeah but let's be honest, the actual character of DnA Star-Lord was riffing on Mal Reynolds even harder than the MCU version's costume. Whereas the movie version winds up feeling like more of a distinct entity. A character that, by emulating the heroes of his childhood, winds up transcending them and becoming his own man.

>>93647960
Like I said, it's mostly the costume.

>>93647960
>winds up transcending them and becoming his own man.
He's still a 30 something year old man child defined by his childhood and time on earth. If anything we'll see that growth in ol. 3

>>93646521
It's a shame it fucked up comics Star Lord.
>>93646639
It's a shame this fucked up comic Iron Man too

>>93648300
>It's a shame it fucked up comics Star Lord.

nobody cared about comic star-lord before giffen/dna and nobody cared about him after, it's a lateral move at best

>>93646521
I watched Vol 2, and by the end he seems to be growing to resemble what he was in the comic before Bendis got his filthy hands on hi.

>>93646521
I like Meme-Lord, but I have to say that I still prefer the original Han Solo/Mal Reynolds esque Star-Lord.

>>93648351
You know anon if you don't read comics and you have no intention of doing so, the least you can do is broadcast that to everyone immediately so we don't waste time trying to discuss them with you.

Or, in short...
>>>/tv/

>>93648942
wtf are you on about? are you suggesting that people give a shit about the 70s star-lord or the bendis one? he was plucked from obscurity for about 40 issues of material and then fell to mediocrity, hardly anything was "ruined" because hardly anything was there to begin with

I swear you dna kiddies are the worst

>>93646639
Isn't comics tony really close to movies tony?

I'm sorry, I don't read marvel much.

>>93649137
He's not all that far off, he just has RDJ's flippant mannerisms. Comic Tony is more suave and serious.

>>93646581
Not really.

>>93646652

I fell in love with Falcon in TWS. I remember wishing that Finn from TFA was portrayed more like Sam.

>>93648237
Guy must have had a fucking photographic memory to memorize even half the things he did at his age. He was like, what, eight when he got abducted in the movie? Eleven? And he can just rattle off famous painters, TV stars, celebrities, movies, episodes by scene, right on the fly.

There wasn't really a good way to get Annihilation Star-Lord without making Nova first, or having a Nova-like character to fill-in for him, either way a straight adaptation wasn't really possible. Pratt fits the character really well and the overall characterization isn't all that different from the DnA Peter. So yeah, I'm actually pretty cool with MCU Star-Lord.

>>93648300
>It's a shame this fucked up comic Iron Man too
>the crossing
>everything that went since Civil War
Shut the fuck up, fucking poseur.

>>93649039
>I can't dont therefore others probably don't either
>because everyone has the same taste as me

>>93647067
Blonksy was great up until he Abom'd.

>>93649385
Yeah all the reference kinda ruin it considering his age

>>93647177
>Ronan
Fucking shills I swear.

Kingpin, Loki, Bucky and Purple Man were already good in the comics. I wouldn't call the movie ones an improvement, but an acceptable/good AU versions.

>>93646768
>>93646748
It did add more characterization to Ego so yeah this one applies.

>inb4 616 ego gets retconned into having been the master of the sun

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>>93647067
>>93647177

>>93649573
It would've been a lot funnier actually if he mixed up his references or made more shit up to sound like he knew more about Earth customs than he did, but I feel like it'd fly over the average viewers' heads.

>>93649573
>>93649752
This makes for a good joke in Infinity War actually.

I remember someone posting something like this in another thread:
>Drax: "Why didn't the Avengers call up earth's mightiest hero Kevin Bacon?"
>Tony: "Quill just what the fuck have you been telling these people?"

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>Becomes the only memorable thing about the new movies

>>93649534
>missing the point

I didn't say I don't like the 70s stuff, but it's not as if he was some beloved character with decades of established history behind him. there's a reason he only got a handful of stories before Giffen pulled him from the dumpster, and that reason is cause nobody gave a shit

>>93649752
>It would've been a lot funnier actually if he mixed up his references

Isn't that sort of what's going on with the Footloose reference? He doesn't recall the character's name, so he instead refers to the actor as the protagonist. You can even see it on his face.

>>93649801
Who's this chick?

>>93649877
>I can't read filenames

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>>93646521
The tragic aspects of Wade weren't as fleshed out, but this version (mostly) got rid of "le randum XDDD" Deadpool that most non-readers were familiar with. I hope DP2 goes a bit further with the meta humor, that was some of the strongest material in the first one.

>>93649913
There were definitely some waypool moments, but it wasn't NEARLY as bad as it could have been.

>>93646521
He benefitted from the fact that maybe casuals would've find Claremont Star-Lord, unlikable, and DnA Star-Lord too complicated.

He killed the comic character though, so I say Star-Lord lost in the long run.

>>93646581
>>93649913

These 2 benefited by not taking much influence of their modern comics counterparts, but they are still a step down from when they were at their best in said comics.

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>>93650015
No fuck you

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>>93650030
>>93650015
I'm actually not sure which one I like better. I kind of miss the original penguin as a sort of smug, genteel, FDR-esque Bond villain.

I kind of like what they did in the animated series, though.

To use Shakespeare analogies, if the Joker is Batman's Iago, the Penguin is Richard III.

>>93649992
>He killed the comic character though

Wasn't that DnA's doing? If anything the movie plans just ensured his resurrection, he'd probably still be dead otherwise.

>>93646696
Are you sure Death of the Family was a super-serious Joker portrayal? Isn't that the one where he meets the Ayatollah and gets made an Iranian Diplomat?

>>93647880
>>Beaver Rocket

How can you even see past that hideous thing and notice Star-Lord's helmet? Why can't Marvel artists draw something that looks like a fucking raccoon for once?

>>93650086
And I should amend that by "the animated series" I meant "the animated series: season 4"

>>93650089
>muh DnA
You're so fucking retarded, you keep spouting shit you heard just to spite the 10 vocal DnAfags in /co/ despite being so fucking ignorant about what actually went down in the comics.
Literally off yourself.

>>93649992
>He killed the comic character though, so I say Star-Lord lost in the long run.
Don't worry anon.

Once the bubble bursts Marvel will bring back the Annihilation version in a sad attempt to acquire more readers to the dying Guardians of the Galaxy franchise.

>>93647791
We see that costume with the Ravagers, so maybe in a future movie?

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>>93650202
>despite being so fucking ignorant about what actually went down in the comics

I have no idea what you're sperging over but you really ought to stop projecting.

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I liked him in the cartoon but I don't know about what he's like in the comics.

>>93646652
CHECK STATUS: CUT

>>93650030
>Gotham
Neck yourself

>>93649913
Wish they kept the deleted scene in that Mexican cancer clinic since having Vanessa see him massacre a bunch of people is a better reason to keep away than
>muh scars

>>93650301
Way, way more convoluted.

>>93650299
Of course you don't just like you don't know what "projecting" even means, stupid mongoloid.

>>93650202
But... DnA did kill him...

>>93646521
ITT Normies

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>>93650348
Uh-huh, whatever you say pal.

>>93648026
There was nothing to be faithful to in the first place.
TAS even kept the ice puns which comprised like 90% of his character

>>93650086
I don't think they are really comparable.
Burton's Penguin was a major reinvention to the character. It had it's positives and negatives, but it's responsible for cementing some of Penguin's best traits as a character nowadays.
Gotham's Penguin is more faithful to the comics, but the character is reduced to Joker with mommy issues and a funny walk.

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>>93650235
>Once the bubble bursts

>>93650430
Hello, anon. I'm future.

You don't get to bring economical successful capeshit flicks after 2020.

>>93650112
Your thinking of Death in the Family

>>93650462
>You don't get to bring economical successful capeshit flicks after 2020
The future is CIA

>>93650462
>economical
stop attempting to use large words, Billy.

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Can't believe nobody's posted this yet. This movie singlehandedly redeemed this character.

>>93646696
>created this new trend of people trying to out do each other of how "dark" and "crazy" the Joker can be with little thought put into the actual character
This had been going on ever since TKJ.
Ledger's Joker is like a combination of everything that's terrible about The Joker into a single portrayal.
What he did was just popularize the idea that Joker needs to engage in moronic and edgy speeches about anarchy half the time.
And make Joker cosplays 100% more popular than they were before

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>>93650506
Good point, anon. While we're at it....

>>93650506
Comic Steve was one of the blandest non-characters in all of comics.
Movie Steve was Chris Pine doing whatever he wanted.

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>>93646521
Both of them

>>93650506
Because it helped give something for casuals to focus on, meaning higher visibility to casuals and more solid characterization. He was pretty much written out of the stories prior to the New 52, and Trevor, Agent of A.R.G.U.S. died a slow agonizing death. So maybe he won't just fade away once Rucka fucks off.

>>93649655
Lex Luthor?

>>93650667
Are you using the term "casual" to mean "fans of quality acting?". Because I think you are, intentionally or not.

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Kind of sort of. The whole point of the redesign and the run was to reinvent the character of Catwoman because she had stayed a fairly flat femme fatale for most of her existence. It does't act like older runs never happened, but she's not exactly the same character, either.

>>93650552
Catwoman was actually pretty faithful to the comics version, apart from the stitched costume.
Even the idea that she might have actual "nine lives" was used several times.

>>93650493
You're a dense guy.

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>>93647311
sort of mad ronan is denigrated to shitty villain status

I had fun with the movie though, so whatever

>>93650799
Better. Try and keep it to six letters or less, you're less likely to make yourself sound stupid.

>>93650677
>obsessed with hero
>successful scientist turned businessman
>bald
Yeah, why not.

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>>93650506
>implying

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Should depictions of characters be always as faithful as possible to the source material ?
When is it okay to deviate from it ?
People seem kind of split on this issue

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>>93650838
You crack me up, anon.

Protip: Tune it down a little. You're coming off as trying too hard.

>>93650853
I think they should always be as faithful as possible... As long as there's something there to be faithful to. A lot of comic book supporting characters are just empty husks with no consistent characterization.

>>93650829
>fucked up Ravenous
>became emperor of the Kree
>fucked up one of Thanos generals
>fucked up Crystal
Ronan had a good life.

>>93650853
There's no flat answer since what was good about a character's comic depiction is subjective, anyway.

Take Captain America's costumes in the MCU. They tried to update it to something a little closer to what it actually looked like for the avengers (without actually doing the weird chainmail look) but the fact of the matter was that the ragtag WW2 soldier look was just better and makes him look more like a soldier out of time, so they went back to it.

>>93650677
I'd pay good money to see a power-armoured bald Luthor yell I WILL DISINTEGRATE YOU at Superman.

>>93650853
Just make sure to get the core aspects of the character and you're good to go.
Reinventing a character only works if said character is dull as fuck, like Carol for example.

For all the shit Star-Lord gets he's not too far away from the DnA version. The comics, in the other hand, flanderized him into a dumb buffoon though.

>>93650829
Well he definitely started as a power-hungry whackjob in the silver age, but I'm just miffed they killed him so early and precluded any further development. And before he even got to menace Mar-Vell and Carol, no less.

>>93650960
More like:
>"hmmmmm, yeah, yeah, i-i will evaporate the hmmmm super man!"

>>93650980
The evaporation cue is when Superman reads the label on his jar of urine.

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>>93650853
Depends on how they are in the source material and how is the medium they are being adapted to. Like when there's a drastic tone shift, or the character needs to take on an expanded role, or the character is simply underdeveloped.
Sometimes adaptations are necessary for giving characters some much needed characterization, like >>93648026, >>93650015 or pic related.

There's no flat answer and obviously there are a ton of bad examples of synergy but sometimes deviations are necessary, especially for comic book characters who change all the time and often without a defining art direction.

>>93650015
This portrayal ruined Penguin for ages.

>>93650030
This is the correct choice.

>>93650899
Don't forget that Ewing also used the Black Vortex to give him a Penance Stare-like power and judge everyone.

>>93647067
I'm hopeful for Vulture to break that trend. Everything I've seen of this portrayal has me impressed.

>>93651670
What impresses me is how Keaton went from starring an oscar winning movie that shat on capeshit to playing a capeshit villain for an easy check and in both he plays a manbird.

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>>93650853
Its not a clear answer, as it depends on the character. Some have way more to work with than others.

I just think whoever is adapting a character need to be mindful with how they approach that character, as that will inform what they are like for a whole generation.

>>93651726
>oscar winning movie that shat on capeshit

I probably missed something, but Birdman seemed more like an actor having an existential crisis rather than a critic on capeshit.

>>93649913
I'm still annoyed that they made him a mutant.

I also didn't like that he was a crazy 4th wall breaker from day 1, I prefer it when he gets that way after he gets his powers.

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>>93646521

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drone bird>talking to birds

>>93654217
i mean talking to birds is a little out there but animal husbandry, understanding how to communicate with and handle an animal is a pretty cool ability that's a little understated in a lot of modern action shit

falcon having an attack falcon would be pretty sick

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Need I say more?

>>93654217

I like old 70's Birdman Sam, but he would stick out like a sore thumb in the cape commando universe that the Russos built for Cap so I'm totally okay with MCU Sam.

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>>93654460
nope, you right

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>>93654469
Do you think this looks good? Personally I'm getting male stripper vibes from this costume

>>93654583

>Do you think this looks good?

I think it looks good when you read the comics from the era, where everyone had costumes like that and everything was drawn with the brightest possible colors.

I'm not saying fashion is timeless, but if you read a bunch of 70's/80's Cap you really don't notice it or think it sticks out.