/swco/ - Star Wars Comics & Cartoons

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What is she, /swco/?

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>>93387670
Comfy thread?

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What is she, /swco/?

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The shield was never down, only weakened.

>>93387670
Hey guys! I've been out since february. What did I miss?

>>93387768
Kek
Aphra is all ethnicities at the same time

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>>93387796
You missed the great Shieldgate.

>>93387796
Do you even OP

>Star Wars: The Last Jedi trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB4I68XVPzQ

>Star Wars: Rebels - The Final Season
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b7GAhnVwhA

>Battlefront 2 trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q51LZ2HpbE

>>93387814
She's the ultimate minority inclusion character. Each and every minority represented, and the alt right doesn't get mad because she's also white.

>>93387843
I don't get it

>>93387670
HOLY SHIT! Final season?!

>>93387875
The shield is still visible after it supposedly went down. So it didn't really went down.

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>>93387814
Which makes her the perfect waifu

>>93387870
Again, 10 years between TPM and AotC.
Obviously Palp could not be traced back to Maul.

I don't see your issue.

>>93387906
Which means? I haven't seen R1 yet.

>>93387994
what are you doing here mate

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So the ultimate puzzle of Star Wars, and by extension the human Psyche- is what causes a double standard?

The prequels and the OT both have plenty of contrived writing, but only one group has these contrivances constantly mentioned.

Now, a PT hater might say "all the OT contrivances can be explained", but as shown in the last thread and so many before it, so can PT quibbles.

So WHY? WHY the double standard?

This is a very incomplete list, just typed it up from memory a few weeks ago.

The new movies should've done Aphras story
I like her 1000 times more than Rey

Reminder that Anakin never once went against the prophecy. Him turning to the dark side was part of bringing balance to the force since the corrupt Jedi had ruled for millenia. It was time to tip the scales.

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>>93387994
HUGE SPOILERS FOR ROGUE ONE

>>93388011
Getting back into SW.

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>>93388079
t. Sheev

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>>93388114

>>93388017

This is in no way meant to discredit the PT or any sequels, but I felt like Star Wars (alone without any companion films) presents a galaxy that has incredibly advance technology, but not perfect technology.

The Millennium Falcon heading away from tatooine sets up a tense scene revolving around Han having to make precise calculations so that the ship doesn't crash into anything in hyperspace. This could also imply that hyperdrives maybe aren't as accurate as they would later be established in subsequent films so Han has to take EXTRA measure not to crash sense the ship is being rocked by laser fire.

Also, Star Wars by itself doesn't have Rogue One leading into it which means the circumstances involved around Ben getting the plans was a last ditch effort on Leia's part and not the plan from the get go.

I know this doesn't explain everything, but a lot of the contrivances with Episode IV stem from retcons as opposed to actual problems with the film itself.

>>93388017
this is so retarded, did this person watch the movie?

obviously they didn't want to deliver plans to Obi-Wan, they wanted to deliver them to Bail Organa

Ben doesn't kill himself, if he could defeat Vader he would have done that

stortrooper aim is just a classic bad guy goons aim in every movie ever filmed

Leia going ot Yavin, and no lifeforms aboard are stupid, yes.

Hyperspace lanes are a thing, you can't just jump around, especially not with such a massive station. We don't know how fast does the Death Star laser recharge, maybe it'd take longer to fire twice

>>93388103
you should start by watching star wars movies

>>93388155
>I know this doesn't explain everything
You're right, your post didn't even address anything in my image.
Rogue One has nothing to do with why the Leia mission is contrived.

>>93388114
I do not work for Sheev. I will prove this to you by explaining why Sheev had to go:

After a few decades of dark arts practice, it was time to tip again. The Sith rule was much shorter since Sheev was a lot more totalitarian compared to the Jedi Order, but it was necessary to make up for the lost time that the dark side had experienced under the Jedi rule.

>>93388103
Watch Rebels Season 3 and Rogue One, THEN come here - don't spoil your own enjoyment. Also read Thrawn, and catch up on the comics - is you start now, you may make it just in time for Luke and Aphra's wedding.

That last bit was a joke.

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Post lewd.

>>93388079
>Kills all the Sith in the end just like obi wan said
Prophecy fulfilled

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give victories please

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>>93388255
*block your path*

>>93388190
I have seen all but that one (assuming TFA doesn't count). I want to start by getting the SW feel back, and to do that I feel like I need to bask in the aura of the community.

>>93387768
I'm 65% sure they're doing this on purpose so that, if she ends up in a live action spinoff movie down the road, they're not pegged into casting an actress of any specific race for the role.

>>93388170
>obviously they didn't want to deliver plans to Obi-Wan, they wanted to deliver them to Bail Organa
Has nothing to do with the point.

>Ben doesn't kill himself, if he could defeat Vader he would have done that
He could have very easily backed up onto the ship.

>Hyperspace lanes are a thing
Never stated in the movie.

This is about QUALITY of filmmaking, not later additions to the universe by other people.

>>93388212

You mentioned the Death Star not coming out of hyperspace in a good position to fire on Yavin IV.

I explained why that wasn't a mistake in Star Wars by itself, but now clearly is since sequels have essentially changed how hyperspace travel works.

>>93388079
>Not knowing that the dark side is an unbalance in the force
George said so!

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>>93388274
Not a Sith, neither is Kylo Ren, ergo the prophecy does not apply to them

>>93388317
>I explained why that wasn't a mistake in Star Wars by itself
No, no you didn't.
This is exactly what I mean.

>>93388274
Unironically this

>inb4 Snoke isn't a Sith

It's true - he's not - but he and Kylo fulfill the exact same narrative and thematic purpose of the Sith, which makes the prophecy worthless anyway. If the prophecy was just about the downfall of one specific order of dark siders, then why was it even worth noting? It's obvious the original intent in the prequels was to have ROTJ be the decisive conclusion to the saga via the prophecy, and any sequel was going to collide head-on with that intent no matter what they did.

Which is part of why the whole prophecy subplot should have never been included.

>>93388355

Then what was the point of the prophecy? Dark Side people are still out fucking shit up.

>>93387796
Ezra is a confirmed buttslut

>>93388097
>"Spies"
>People that storm a tower during a battle, kill anyone in their way, and broadcast a signal in broad daylight are "spies."

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>>93388253

Is s3 finale as good as s2's?

>>93388366

Did you even read what I wrote?

I said the scene in STAR WARS where Han is getting ready to jump into hyperspace is a tense scene where it is established that hyperspace travel takes a lot of time and calculations. You can only take certain paths through space. This means that the Death Star may very well not have been able to exit hyperspace anywhere else other than exactly where it did.

This has basically been changed since TFA and later R1 because people just throw themselves into hyperspace willy-nilly and always come out okay.

>>93388370
>any sequel was going to collide head-on with that intent no matter what they did.

Well, the original EU had total non-force-users as the big bad guy post-ROTJ.

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>>93388317
>but now clearly is since sequels have essentially changed how hyperspace travel works
It's not even new, watch the TCW arc with Aayla and the pacifist lemurs, where they jump into Hyperspace from the atmosphere.
Also the death Star is thousands of times more massive than any ship, the limitations are much higher.

>>93388377
A prophecy, misread may be

>>93388441
>It's not even new, watch the TCW arc with Aayla and the pacifist lemurs, where they jump into Hyperspace from the atmosphere.

Anon, STAR WARS came out in 1977. Clone Wars cartoon IS new.

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>>93388370
Two things: Lucas had no intentions of making sequels after ROTJ, or at the very least he wasn't thinking about those when he introduced the whole prophecy business
Secondly, and far more importantly, while LF are making steps to widen it up a little now even in-universe if your a Force sensitive with or without a Lightsaber the natural assumption is you are either a Jedi or a Sith. The Jedi and the Sith are the two largest Force using groups in Star Wars, a prophecy that says one of those two philosophies will be destroyed is well worth noting, especially for Jedi as their order has been fighting the Sith for generations

>>93388453

I always felt like that line was included because George Lucas basically realized that the way he was defining the word "balance" isn't how anyone else would describe it.

>>93388377
You can't destroy the Dark Side anymore than you can destroy a certain part of the ocean or kill a path up the mountain
They had an entire arc in season 6 of The Clone Wars of Yoda confronting that fact

>>93388548

Implying I watch cartoons.

>>93388427
It's not, I have a feeling that it will be considered the high point of the show

>>93388496

The prophecy is fucking pointless and adds nothing to the story anyway. The audience already knew what was going to happen in Return of the Jedi. It's not like saying Anakin was the Chosen One and then having him turn his back on the Jedi was a twist ending.

>>93388583
Pretty sure similar stories have turned up in the comics too, and if you haven't read those then I genuinely wonder why you're here
And besides, my point is you can't defeat the Dark Side, only accept that it exists and then refuse to surrender to it

>>93388481
Don't move the goalposts. According to you, risky hyperspace jumps were introduced by the sequels, when in reality it happened years before the sequels.

>>93388627
George said you can so fuck off nerd!

>>93388643

You said it's nothing new. I saying the point it was introduced is closer to now than the beginning meaning that your example is new too.

>>93388583
Regardless of what you watch or not, The Clone Wars is just as canon as the movies and is therefore an entirely valid source for backing up arguments. George used the show to tell the things that he couldn't in just three PT movies.

>>93388370
>which makes the prophecy worthless anyway

Not actually.

>If the prophecy was just about the downfall of one specific order of dark siders, then why was it even worth noting?

It wasn't. It was about eliminating what was behind putting the force out of balance, which just so happened to be the Sith. The entire point of destroying the Sith was because they were the ones using an apparatus to intentionally throw the Force out of balance to give them an enormous well to draw power from. When the Sith were destroyed, said apparatus was therein not being used to keep the Force out of balance. And what'smore, the aforementioned apparatus was, by Darth Sidious' design, destroyed in the event of his death.

What remains of said apparatus, now in the hands of Snoke, has come nowhere even as close to what the Sith had done to throw the force out of balance.

> It's obvious the original intent in the prequels was to have ROTJ be the decisive conclusion to the saga via the prophecy
Agreed.

>and any sequel was going to collide head-on with that intent no matter what they did.
Not necessarily. You can have a Star Wars movie and not have a galactic wide threat or arc. There were countless small scale interplanetary wars all the time. You could take any of those and make a movie out of one.

>>93388307
>Has nothing to do with the point.
it has everything to do with the point saying that they've sent plans to ex military leader with a bounty on his head instead of the alliance leadership

>He could have very easily backed up onto the ship.
lol, sure he could just slowly walk backwards past that line of troopers

>>93388307
>Never stated in the movie.
never stated in the movie that you can just jump around, quite the opposite, it's said that it's extremely hard and dangerous to navigate in hyperspace

>>93388722
The year is 2017.

Star Wars began in 1977.

If you break that into thirds anything between 1977 and 1990 would be "old"

1991 to 2004 would be middle.

2005 to 2017 would be new.

>>93388724

Because he doesn't know how to write well.

If you need a cartoon to explain the gaps in your movies, then that means your movies don't stand up on their own.

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>>93388114
He's Frank now

>>93388724
>The Clone Wars is just as canon
No it isn't, it wasn't written by George

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>we're still arguing about the fucking shield gate

>>93388853

When Palpatine dies, just throw him in the trash.

>>93388853
Go back to /r/prequelmemes

>>93388864

Because people refuse to admit that it was weakened but never went down completely.

>>93388860

It is canon, it just shows how awful Lucas is at crafting a movie in that he needs multiple seasons of a cartoon to fill in the gaps of his films.

>>93388853
I'd vote for a guy named Frank. I could have space beer with a guy named Frank, if I'm being frank

>>93388887
>It is canon
Only to awful smelly nerds, not to adults who knows that cartoons are for kids.

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>>93388887
>the cartoon that has hundreds of episodes filled in characters better than three movies
>Shows how awful lucas is

(you) must be baiting

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>>93388806
>>93388887
>single movies in an ongoing series don't hold up if you take them out of the series
stop the presses

>>93388887
>Lucas utilizing a superior storytelling medium means he is bad at making movies
???

>>93388934
>>the cartoon that has hundreds of episodes filled in characters better than three movies
>>Shows how awful lucas is

I didn't say the cartoon did a "better" job.

I said the cartoons are necessary to fill in blanks from the movies.

Sifo-Dyas was dropped and needed to be filled in later for example.

If the cartoons had been released WITH the movies, that would have been one thing, but they weren't. They were an afterthought once Lucas was doing episode III because he realized he filled episodes I and II with nonsense that wasn't necessary and ran out of literal time unless he wanted to make episode III three hours long.

Good job ignoring my argument, replacing it with a different argument, and then saying my conclusion doesn't match your new argument.

>It's a "/tv/ poster gleefully boasting that the cartoons are non-canon shit for babbies, and everyone still responds" episode
Huh, its been a while since I saw this one

>>93388429
At no point it is said in the movies that you can't enter or exit the hyperspace from the atmosphere. Only that you need precise calculations for a successful trip, otherwise you risk exiting too close or even inside of a star of another celestial body. 99% of the time pilots enter and exit the hyperspace at safe distances from massive objects according to precise calculations. But in TCW they initiated the jump by accident, almost ending up flying into a sun and eventually crushing on a planet at a random location. In R1 they took the risk, because there was no time to complete the calculations - better to POSSIBLY be stranded in deep space or crushed by a supernova than CERTAINLY be crushed by the debris. I forgot what happened in TFA, but I presume they took a huge risk jumping into the atmosphere, it payed off but it could have not.

>>93388788
Jesus christ, you can actually feel the pure unrefined autism through the screen.

>>93389014
TJ, get out of here

>>93389014
Sifo Dias was not a major mystery that absolutely had to be answered in the movies anon.

I'm sure theres stuff left out/unresolved from the OT too that weren't necessary.

Lucas got around to wrapping up the mystery eventually, and unless you're a turboautist that thinks Cartoons don't count, you should be fine with it. Not using this to retroactively bash Lucas for not concluding the mystery in 2005.

Lucas always treated the franchise as a series of serials anyways

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>>93388017
does the last act of A New Hope take place in real time? the whole movie is paced so well that it almost feels like it

>trench run
>Luke is the last X-Wing left
>Vader and 2 other TIE Fighters on his ass
>Artoo gets hit
>"use the Force, Luke. Let go."
>"you've turned off your targeting computer, what's wrong?"
>Vader about to shoot down Luke
>Han and Chewie to the rescue
>Vader get BTFO
>"you're all clear kid, now let's blow this thing and go home"
>Luke fires, missiles go up the Death Star's anus
>Tarkin orders the DS to fire on Yavin
>BOOM

>mfw that entire sequence of events happens in 22 fucking seconds

IMO regardless of what you think of the prequels, George Lucas gets a free pass for life having made A New Hope. That movie is so fucking good I almost can't wrap my head around it. It's like when you realize that The Beatles released their first album and broke up in the span of seven years. Everything they ever did was done in seven fucking years. Madness.

>>93389014
>the cartoons exist to expand on characters that they couldn't put in the movie

what a fucking shocker, in other news, water is wet, and killing yourself is a solution

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>>93388302
This program is known to be rather unreliable by itself sometimes. And it's supposed to analyze photographs, not drawings and low-res 3D models, so it's even less accurate in this instance.

Of course, how Aphra is drawn varies from artist to artist, but that she has Asian features is a common occurrence in most artstyles (and, if I'm not mistake, was confirmed by someone in LSG). So that she is at least partially Asian is out of the question.

https://vid.me/ZPot

has anyone seen this? the ending is funny but Lucas talking about coming up with ideas for future films with Kathy is interesting. It's from 2012 though so I don't know if that was before or after they decided to not use his ideas (according to the Art of TFA they already had the main beats to TFA's story outlined by the end of 2012 but I don't know when exactly in 2012 he said this)

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>>93388868

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In that latest Maul issue, why did the Trandoshans have digitigrade legs?

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Oh shit, Vader will be coming back in Doctor Aphra #12.

He's not going to finish the job, r-right?
Filoni isn't involved in this in any way, right?

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>>93389871

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>>93389774

Artist probably saw TCW Trandoshans and likely did what he thought was a 'realistic' take since TCW style was deliberately cartoony. Probably didn't even bother to look at TESB archive images of Bossk.

>>93389907
NO STOP YOU MONSTER
SHE IS OUT OF YOUR REACH

>>93389907
GET OUT

>>93389229
????
What does that have to do with the post you replied to?

Also, I always thought that Lucas (or Williams) missed a trick by not having the music swell/get excited when they cut to the Millenium Falcon in from of the sun.

>>93390047
*in front

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>>93389954
>>93390019

>>93388782
>>Has nothing to do with the point.
>it has everything to do with the point saying that they've sent plans to ex military leader with a bounty on his head instead of the alliance leadership
No, this is completely ignoring the point in the image.
And you know that.

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>>93390081
YOU WILL NOT TAKE HER FROM MEEE

>>93390081
NO PLEASE
NOT CHELLI
I'LL DO ANYTHING

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>>93388887
>it just shows how awful Lucas is at crafting a movie in that he needs multiple seasons of a cartoon to fill in the gaps of his films.

>>93390169
>>93390147
>that one guy on the crew that would kill off clones that another guy liked when he made him mad
Holy shit the entire fucking crew for star wars the clone wars was demonic

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reposting this because I want to start a discussion about jedi prince and start a flamewar about how new canon is better than eu even though I like the eu :^)

>>93390756
pls no

>>93390756
The EU just wasn't as cohesive and had lower lows. (e.g. Jedi Prince)
Most of the mainline EU is no worse than canon.

In all seriousness, don't think they are going to kill Aphra off, at least not yet (although I suspect it depends on how the sales are going).

Personally, I'd like to see her at some point after ESB or ROTJ, if only because I want to see her reaction to the fact that Luke is Vader's son (provided she is still alive and he is willing to talk to her at all).

Come to think of it, why hasn't she figured it out herself yet, between Vader's particular obsession with Luke, and the mission to interrogate Padme's mortician? I mean, Thanoth did, IIRC, didn't he?

>>93390756
Falseflagging much?

>>93390894
>>93390806
but I actually like(d) jedi prince

>>93390968
I liked it as a kid, mostly because of the pictures I think.

>>93390876
>mission to interrogate Padme's mortician?

all that says is that Luke is Padme's kid, and if she's old enough to remember the clone wars, Anakin's kid too. She still has nothing connecting Vader to Anakin

and I don't believe Thanoth knew about Luke, did he? At that point the empire didn't know the identity of the pilot that blew up the death star.

>>93391247
>and I don't believe Thanoth knew about Luke, did he?

No, he only figured out that Vader was Anakin.

>>93387768
A Mary Sue

>>93387914
You and your kind all deserve to die.

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>>93391707
I agree, white male on Asian female is a pathetic stereotype indicative of shit taste and weeaboo upbringing.

>>93390876
They should she's a Mary Sue that's ruining Star Wars

>lol smarter than Vader
>lol gets more attention and spotlight in Vader's own series
>lol can shit Sidious to his face and walk away

>>93391774
Vader has never been the smartest person in SW, anon.

>>93391774
>I haven't read the comic and dont know what the fuck I am talking about: the post

>>93391807
I was about to post
>I'll take shit that never happened for $200 Alex
but your post works just as well

>>93391767
Chang pls

>>93391874
I'm white and think Asian girls are mostly ugly and unappealing with a few exceptions, blacks and Asian men are welcome to them

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>>93391774
Okay now sir you can fuck off
Rey is a bad character
Aphra isn't a mary sue.
>lol smarter than vader
how? He ends up almost killing her anyway, I doubt he cares if she survives so she didn't really outsmart him, she barely escaped with her life
>lol gets more attention and spotlight in vader's own series
No he's gotten the most attention, Aphra is just an important character in the current arc and also a popular character
>lol can shit Sidious to his face and walk away
Yeah no she told Sidious the truth and he was so proud of Vader he let him handle her, which was basically assuring her death (him of course either not caring or not aware that she narrowly escaped that death)

Aphra is a patrician waifu and you need to delet your post

>>93387713
ugly as fuck

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Amateur drawfag reporting back from last night's thread with my humble offering of cancerous shitposting.
Sabine Wren: the face of cyberbullying.

>>93392110
star wars needs more sports bras

you are doing god's work

>>93392168
Thank you, kind anon.
I tend to agree - I copied it wholesale from other r34 of her.

>>93392110
fucking 10/10

>>93392110
Totally would

>>93389186
>Sifo Dias was not a major mystery that absolutely had to be answered in the movies anon.

The Sifo-Dyas, Clone inception, Kamino being deleted from the archive was a huge mystery that Lucas himself talked about in the commentary for AOTC back in 2002.

He spoke of how important it would be and how it would be dealt with in Episode III.

He didn't get around to until the Sifo-Dyas episodes of the Clone Wars which was what, 12 years after 2002.

Just because he retroactively fixed the problem doesn't mean there was never a problem.

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>>93388441

For you.

>>93389715
Please someone photoshop Frank Reynolds head onto Captain Phasmas body.

"After I lower the shields, just throw me in the trash"

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>>93392253
>>93392299
Thank you!
I wasn't sure about the busy background so I made one that's a little simpler, too.

>>93390756

I think old EU was bad because it contradicted itself constantly.

I think new canon is bad because it's been playing it safe. I do not want to read about OT characters anymore. They've been in books since 1978 for fucks sake.

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>>93392301
>He spoke of how important it would be and how it would be dealt with in Episode III.
????
It was already explained in AotC.
I understood this as a little kid.

Obi Wan talks asks Mace and Yoda about Sifo-Dyas and says that he was under the impression that Sifo-Dyas was killed before the time of the ordering of the Clones
When Obi-Wan says the name Sifo-Dyas BUT BEFORE he says that he was under the impression that he was "killed before [he date of the ordering]", Yoda and Mace echange dark looks and we don't know why until the next line when Obi Wan says the "killed before that" line- thus filling the audience in on why Yoda and Mace looked at each other darkly- they knew Sifo-Dyas couldn't have ordered it due to him being dead.
They then tell Obi-Wan that the council never authorized that order.

SO in conlusion, while not iron clad enough to be immune to later retcons, it's clear as of 2002 that the Jedi know that Sifo-Dyas was dead before the clone order date, and that someone erased Kamino from the archives.
When Yoda fights Dooku he senses the dark side in him, when before they just thought he was a political idealist.

They now know that it was Dooku who erased the archives, and allude to the fact that they know that the clones are risky to use inMace, Yoda and Obi's final discussion in the council chambers.

>I have to admit that without the clones it would not have been a victory.
>Victory? Victory, you say? Master Obi-Wan- not victory.
>The shroud of the dark side has fallen.
>Begun, the clone war has.

They know that the whole thing is shady as fuck, but what Plinkettfriends don't seem to fucking get IS THAT THEY N E E D E D AN ARMY NO MATTER WHAT.

So yeah, it's understated enough that it could be retconned if need be, but it's not a plothole at all.

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>>93392110
>>93392423
I love this

>>93392589
>but it's not a plothole at all.

2002 Lucas says he will answer a mystery he set up.

2005 Lucas says he figured that once the clones started killing the Jedi people would realize that Palpatine was behind everything.

NONE of that answers how exactly the whole Tyrannus, Sido-Dyas, Jango Fett, Sidious conspiracy played out.

Even Lucas talked about how it was a mystery. If your argument is that it wasn't a mystery and didn't need an answer then you are disagreeing with Lucas himself.

>>93392662
The issue isn't so much that it doesn't need an answer, but that it's not the huge plothole people like to present it as. The movie skips a few steps as far as how it all played out, but for the purpose of the story the mystery of Sifo-Dyas himself was less important than the mystery of who was behind the entire conspiracy.

You ever wonder what it'd feel like to get your dick sucked by a Rodian?

>>93392589
>They now know that it was Dooku who erased the archives

Knowing Dooku has gone to the dark side does not equal him deleting Kamino from the archives.

Now the audience knows that Dooku is Tyrannus, but the Jedi don't.

No one knows even by the end of Episode III who deleted the archives or what Sifo-Dyas had to do with any of this.

Was Sifo-Dyas killed by Dooku?

Did Sifo-Dyas die in an unrelated incident and Dooku just used his identity?

It was originally answered in Labrynth of Evil which came out around the time of Episode III, but was retconned by Clone Wars.

Either way, Lucas realized he couldn't weave it into his movies so he abandoned it.

You can't use information that we have now and act like everyone knew back in 2002.

>>93392750
Are you offering something here, anon?

>>93392750
You ever wonder what it'd feel like to get your dick sucked by a Pa'lowick ?

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>>93392330
I don't know if this is quality enough but I tried

>>93392749

Then why introduce it in the first place? Why waste screen time on something that you're just going to leave open ended?

Why even make up the name Sifo-Dyas? Why not just have Dooku use Qui-Gons name? Then everyone would be thinking, "Well Qui-Gon WAS a maverick. Maybe he did order it."

>>93392662
>NONE of that answers how exactly the whole Tyrannus, Sido-Dyas, Jango Fett, Sidious conspiracy played out.
While it would be interested to know how it all went down, it's not really something that needs to be explained for people to understand the story. We know Sidious is ultimately behind it, Dooku was part of it and he hired Jango. Sifo-Dyas ends up being a false end because the fact that a Jedi was involved is what stalls the investigation. Rather than dig further they're presented with a dead end they have no way of figuring out.

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>>93392776
>You ever wonder what it'd feel like to get your dick sucked by Max Rebo?

>>93392806
Perfect

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>>93392769
I'm just saying, man.

There's probably some great suction there...

>>93392807
>Why even make up the name Sifo-Dyas? Why not just have Dooku use Qui-Gons name? Then everyone would be thinking, "Well Qui-Gon WAS a maverick. Maybe he did order it."
Qui-Gon was an actual important character and bringing up that he ordered a clone army ends up complicated a character who was fairly clear cut.

Changing it to a no-name Jedi gives the Jedi Council a "wait, what the fuck, that doesn't make sense... does it?" moment and throws a wrench into the trail they were following, but doesn't ask the audience to rethink an existing character.

>>93392808
>While it would be interested to know how it all went down, it's not really something that needs to be explained for people to understand the story. We know Sidious is ultimately behind it, Dooku was part of it and he hired Jango. Sifo-Dyas ends up being a false end because the fact that a Jedi was involved is what stalls the investigation. Rather than dig further they're presented with a dead end they have no way of figuring out.

Listen, I know I'm not a professional writer, but if you come up with some convoluted shit like this that ultimately adds up to nothing and is never even mentioned again, that is some pretty lazy writing.

>>93392833
It's always sunny is one of my favorite shows to discuss on this site because of how much fun people have with it.

>>93392662
>NONE of that answers how exactly the whole Tyrannus, Sido-Dyas, Jango Fett, Sidious conspiracy played out.
That doesn't need to be answered though.
It's pretty fucking clear in AotC that the Sith are behind the clone army.

>then you are disagreeing with Lucas himself.
Sure? I'm just looking at what's in the movies.

>>93392749
this too

>>93392759
What are you going on about?
Everything that needed to be answered was answered.
None of that shit is relevant and stuff like this
>Now the audience knows that Dooku is Tyrannus, but the Jedi don't.
>No one knows even by the end of Episode III who deleted the archives or what Sifo-Dyas had to do with any of this.
is based on absolutely nothing in the films

>>93392807
They didn't leave it open ended you dunce.
THEY DIDN'T MAKE UP THE NAME SIFO-DYAS
HE WAS A REAL JEDI THAT DIED OVER TEN YEARS AGO

>>93392808
this

>>93392864
>that ultimately adds up to nothing
It adds up to the Jedi finding and using a puppet army you absolute failure.

>>93392864
In what was is it convoluted? I just told you how it works.

>>93392857
>Changing it to a no-name Jedi gives the Jedi Council a "wait, what the fuck, that doesn't make sense... does it?" moment and throws a wrench into the trail they were following, but doesn't ask the audience to rethink an existing character.

But putting a question in the audiences mind means they get engaged with the movie.

Mentioning someone who we have never met, introducing a mystery angle that is never resolved, how can you defend story choices like this. It wastes screen time and adds up to ziltch.

>>93392911
>introducing a mystery angle that is never resolved
But it is. I don't know why the existence of Sifo-Dyas somehow makes you completely forget that we know the whole thing was a giant cover for Sidious. It's not rocket science, dude.

>>93392911
>It wastes screen time and adds up to ziltch.
It gives the Jedi pause, stalls their investigation, and leads to Obi-Wan following Jango in order to get answers. For the purpose of the story it's actually important that the Jedi not actually uncover the mystery.

>>93392904
Convolution doesn't magically vanish just because a few people understand the story lines.

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>it's another SIFO-DYAS IS A HUGE PLOT HOLE GUISE episode

>>93393001
To be fair it is an unresolved mystery (in the movies at least) but it's definitely not a plot hole.

How the fuck is this prequel discussion still going from last thread?

I've been gone for hours.

Although admirable can we talk about something else?

Like why don't we talk about best girls and why it's Boop?

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>>93393029
Best girl discussion is unproductive, as the one true answer is already known. Further debate is pointless.

>>93392904
>In what was is it convoluted? I just told you how it works.

First off, convoluted means complex. Regardless of whether it "works" or not has no bearing on whether it is complex or not. Learn what words mean.

Secondly, what you told me is YOUR GUESS. The simple fact is that all of this was brought up in Episode II, but never went anywhere or was even mentioned in Episode III.

>>93393063
pfffthahahaha

Don't be mad momma! Aphra's just a babe.
-Ziro the Hutt

>>93393067
>YOUR GUESS
It's not my guess, it's what's in the damn movie.

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Who are these guys?

>>93393067
>Secondly, what you told me is YOUR GUESS
But he described what's literally in the movie. Jango was hired by Tyranus, who turns out to be Dooku, who turns out to be working for Sidious, who is pleased at the beginning of a war and says everything is going as planned. I don't know how much more you need it to be spelled out for you.

>>93393027
Sifo-Dyas anon here, I never said it was a plothole. I'm saying it's unresolved which imho is lazy story telling.

Why haven't you downloaded Force Arena /swco/?

>>93393100
OC Donut Steels. The skull one is specifically the artist's self-insert OC.

>>93393100
Mandos: basically the Sonic recolors of Star Wars fandom.

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>>93392814
>10 fingers
>10 simultaneous dicc succings

>>93393120
You guys are confusing what happened in the movie with the writing itself.

We DO NOT KNOW how Sifo-Dyas was involved.

Lucas said it was a mystery that would be answered and then it wasn't. This makes it OPEN-ENDED.

It's lazy story telling to introduce elements that progress the plot, but just get brushed aside afterward.

>>93393063
.t ziro
you fuckin momma's boy

>>93392864
>Sifo-Dyas ends up being a false end because the fact that a Jedi was involved is what stalls the investigation. Rather than dig further they're presented with a dead end they have no way of figuring out.
>>93393120
>But he described what's literally in the movie. Jango was hired by Tyranus, who turns out to be Dooku, who turns out to be working for Sidious, who is pleased at the beginning of a war and says everything is going as planned. I don't know how much more you need it to be spelled out for you.

Then how was Sifo-Dyas involved? If it's answered in the movies then tell me.

>>93392110
>>93392423
This is great anon

honestly you're not that bad of a drawfag

you should consider doing more drawfag stuff here

>>93393168
>Lucas said it was a mystery that would be answered and then it wasn't.
But it was. Even Lucas himself considered the revelation of Palpatine ordering the clones to be a satisfactory enough answer to the mystery. You're throwing a bitch fit over an unimportant detail in the story.

Knowing who Sifo-Dyas was and just how he was involved is nice for trivial reasons but it's not at all crucial to the story, nor to the conclusion. You keep being told this but keep playing these weird mental gymnastics about how because the exact mystery of Sifo-Dyas's identity isn't resolved somehow the entire larger mystery is unresolved.

>>93393204
>Then how was Sifo-Dyas involved?
It doesn't actually matter. That's the point we've been trying to make but you keep ignoring. Sifo-Dyas himself isn't the important part, Sidious being the one behind it all is. The only genuine importance Sifo-Dyas himself has to the story is to confuse Obi-Wan, Mace and Yoda.

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Guys, you're never going to convince him. This isn't the first time he's been here arguing in weird sperg circles, either.

>>93393229
not only that but he specifically made an arc of TCW to appease idiots like these but he refuses to accept it, he's like shieldgate anon continually refusing to accept any other possible explanation but his own perception, he insists on being angry for the sake of being angry, so fuck him and stop replying

>>93393246
>It doesn't actually matter. That's the point we've been trying to make but you keep ignoring.

So first it was answered, bu now it doesn't matter? Nice job of moving the goalpost.

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>>93393303
that's not moving the goalpost, moving the goalpost is when one person makes a dumb statement, that statement is refuted by another person, and then the first person goes "nuh-uh that doesn't count"

guess which one you are

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>>93393283
>he's like shieldgate anon

In his defense, shield gate anon turned out to be right.

>>93393303
I'm not moving any goalpost, dude. The answer to the larger mystery- who is behind the clone plot- is answered. The very next line in the post you're quoting says exactly what I and others have been trying to tell you: Sifo-Dyas himself isn't the important part, Sidious is. We know Sidious is behind the entire thing, that's the part that's resolved. You keep getting hung up on Sifo-Dyas when he's not the important part.

The mystery of Sifo-Dyas matters as much as Lando's maneuver at the Battle of Tanaab or the bounter hunter Han & Chewie ran into on Ord Mantell

That is, to say, IT DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL

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>>93393336
the entire crux of shield-gate anons argument was that the shield was up after the shield gate was destroyed, and that the shield gate had nothing whatsoever to do with the generation of the shield, the "shield is visible/its not atmosphere" argument was a tangential distraction from this initial fallacious assertion, so assuming that article is correct, it's irrelevant

>>93393222
Thank you! I can't make any promises, as free time tends to be a bit scarce for me these days, but I'd love to. Particularly as I'm on a bit of a semi-lewd to lewd Sabine phase at the moment.

>>93393329

George Lucas invented an entire subplot about a Jedi named Sifo-Dyas that was somehow interwoven into the creation of the Clone Army and ultimately the end of the Jedi Order and then never went anywhere with it and you all think that's perfectly acceptable writing?

This is why people have a hard time watching the prequels because stuff like this never leads anywhere. Why even introduce it as a mystery, No one in-universe ever figures it out, Hell, apparently no one even looked into it. It's literally never brought up again.

>>93392911
>introducing a mystery angle that is never resolved
It's resolved in the very same film you mongoloid.
see
>>93392589

>>93393000
Doesn't it? You seem to be in the minority as far as not understand goes.

>>93393027
>To be fair it is an unresolved mystery
NO.
see
>>93392589

>>93393067
There's nothing to explain in ROTS.
We already know everything we need to know.

>>93393098
>>93393120
this

>>93393123
It's not unresolved at all.
see
>>93392589
Sifo-Dyas was just some Jedi that died awhile back whose name they used.
Case closed. This is in the movie. Sifo-Dyas died before any of this shit went down.

>>93393168
>Lucas said it was a mystery that would be answered and then it wasn't.
But it was.
Sifo-Dyas was just a jedi who died before all this shit went down whose name they used.
This is all in the damn movie.

>>93393204
Sifo-Dyas was just a jedi who died before all this shit went down whose name they used.
This is all in the damn movie.

>>93393229
I would actually argue that Sifo-Dyas' identity IS resolved. He's just some council member who died before the clone army was ordered. Palps and Dooku just used his name.
This was always clear to me in AotC.

>>93393303
It was answered, but it doesn't matter. It's not relevant to Sidious' plot beyond the central point of Attack of The Clones which is forcing the jedi to use the army.

>>93393346
this

>>93393400
The subplot wasn't about Sifo-Dyas, it was about the creation of the clones. We know who was behind their creation. I don't know why you're having trouble with this.

>>93393384
Alright, yeah. Just whenever you get the chance or see/think of something you wanna draw here go ahead

I'm up for semi-lewd to lewd sabine

and if it involved ezra doubly so

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>>93393384
draw qt scout trooper fuccbois getting perved on by bara rebel girls

>>93393400
>and then never went anywhere with it
see
>>93392589

IT'S RESOLVED IN THE SAME DAMN MOVIE YOU GOD DAMN DEAF FOOL

Reminder that the Force is Female and Luke Skywalker is just as evil as his father.

>>93393400
see >>93393382

>>93393400
Not the other anons, but it got brought up in TCW. I don't give a flying fuck if it wasn't in the movie. I see Star Wars as the overall saga. If something is answered in canon material, then I am fine with it. Especially considering this particular mystery was answered by Lucas himself before he left the franchise.

ROTS is not any worse for not having the Sifo Dyas. In fact the movie may have ended up being bogged down and cluttered if he had been.

>>93393437
Ah but we learn in TFA that Luke has undergone a personal change.

Therefore, it is now correct to say that zhe is not as evil as zher father.

>>93393400
>never went anywhere with it
well aside from it being made perfectly clear in both AOTC and ROTS that it was a plot by Palpatine and Dooku, George went out of his way to specifically and autistically delve into this """"""loose""""""" thread in episodes of tcw to explain exactly who sifo dyas was and what he was up to and why he got involved, even though Sifo-Dyas' character is entirely unimportant outside of the two lines he is mentioned in

>>93393383
>and that the shield gate had nothing whatsoever to do with the generation of the shield

I never said that. All I said was that the shield was still up after the shield gate was destroyed and all of you kept saying that it wasn't.

THEN when I showed pictures of the shield in the final shots of the movie involving the Tantive IV, everyone said that it wasn't the shield, but was some sort of Aurora Borealis.

I called BS again and found proof and now everyone is acting like I was trying to say something else.

Every person in here who said the shield wasn't still up/the blue aura wasn't the shield were wrong.

>Sifo Dyas debate and Scarif Shield Gate debate are happening concurrently right now
Anybody want to argue about Boba Fett while we're at it?

>>93393435

If it's resolved in AOTC then why did Lucas even refer to it as a mystery?

If I'm wrong about it not being answered in AOTC, then so is George Lucas.

WHOA GUYS WE FOUND OUT WHO BIGGS IS BUT TANK NEVER CAME UP AGAIN IN ANH OR ESB

THAT'S LAZY WRITING RIGHT THERE WHY BRING UP TANK IF YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO RESOLVE WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM

>>93393400
Lucas literally says in the Attack of the Clones commentary that Sifo-Dyas will play an important role in Revenge of the Sith and that the mystery around who he is would be explained. But it wasn't.

Plus his name was originally Sido Dyas and was only changed because Lucas hit the "f" key instead of the "d" key when typing it. Lucas decided to keep it with the new spelling (I want to think that he was too lazy to retype it because thats funny as fuck in my head but it probably was just a creative spark) and changed the character from just being Sheev using the shittiest fake name ever to being a Jedi Master or something. I don't even know for sure who he was because it's never explained.

>>93393470
Buddy don't try to brush that off, I know the tricks you were up to when you first shitposted that stupid argument over a month ago and brought it up again several threads ago. Only in the third thread you shitposted in did we get sufficiently distracted from your main argument that we stopped trying to wring concessions from your stubborn idiot mentality and started trying ancillary arguments to further shame you.

>>93393450
>In fact the movie may have ended up being bogged down and cluttered if he had been.

A good writer would have been able to include it without the movie being bogged down.

>>93393502
But he himself changed his mind about it and regarded the revelation that Sidious was behind it as a good enough conclusion, hence coming to the same decision that the rest of us have: Sifo-Dyas himself isn't the important part of the mystery.

>>93388017
It's very easy
PT is shit while OT is not that's how it goes.

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>>93393499
Wait was Sifo Dyas space asian?>>93393273

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Kamikaze pilots attack US Ships at Pearl Harbour

Anakin flys His Ship into The Separatists navy

who are the good guys

>>93393515

I'm not the person who was in here months ago, only the anon from the past few days.

And I was right.

The shield was still up.

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>>93393537
>kamikazes
>pearl harbor

>>93393429
Fuck it, I've got a few hours free. Shoot me some suggestions.
I'll be upfront, though - I take an age and a half to complete anything, so it's outside odds anything's getting finished tonight.
Bonus points for cheesecake-y and meme-y.
There was an idea that made me chuckle a couple threads ago - Sabine tied up and forced to watch ezra and ss make out. I thought it was cute, but I'm on the fence - I'm slightly allergic to ss-posting, and don't want to encourage them too much.

>>93393499
changing his voice to be the voice of the guy who played Jango/the clones was fucking retarded and the interview with Jeremy Bulloch and Jango/Boba's actors from Episode II was the cringiest shit at Celebration this year. Bulloch is trying to answer the questions well and tell stories while Morrison is trying too hard to be cool and the Boba actor is just generally being awkward. I couldn't get through the whole thing, it was too hard to watch.

>>93393523
>But he himself changed his mind about it and regarded the revelation that Sidious was behind it as a good enough conclusion

Then why include an answer in the Clone Wars if ROTS was good enough?

>>93389871
He'll probably throw her out of the air lock again then have to gunman blow up her corpse just to be sure or just force

>>93388626
This basically.
The whole chosen one of the force doesn't really add anything to the prequels or to Vader's character but instead ends up degrading them. Honestly it should have never been included and I wouldn't shed any tears if Disney retcons it.

>>93393526
I don't agree with the sentiment, but the simple fact is that no bashed the OT when it was released. Those movies won awards.

The PT got I think one nomination for makeup in ROTS.

>>93393502
The only "mystery" is who exactly sifo-dyas was, which apparently hardcore turbonerds were interested in, even though his character is totally irrelevant because he's just a patsy false id assassinated to cover tracks, which was implied in AOTC and made explicit in TCW.

>>93393503
fucking kek, meanwhile whatever happened to max rebo? another mystery for autistland yard

>>93393537
which one happened before declarations of hostilities and which one happened after

>>93393541
>I'm totally not sock puppetting right now
>btw I'm right about my original argument even though I didn't make it ;^)

>>93393552
how about drawing non-lewd things, like starships or custom troopers

>>93393553
Temuera voicing Boba is pretty much the only reason I don't completely hate Boba now.

It made 100% sense continuity-wise, and Temuera sounds way cooler than Bollock.

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>>93393552
>Sabine tied up and forced to watch ezra and ss make out
I like that

something with Hera and Ezra would be great too, with Hera lusting after Ezra or something

>>93393572
the chosen one prophecy establishes Anakin as a special outsider who must always be kept at arm's distance and treated with simultaneous respect and fearful hatred, which leads to his dysfunctional behavior

in other words Anakin is Thrawn as depicted in the new noevel

>>93393555
Because, as has been explained to you before, there's two mysteries at play here. The larger mystery of the creation of the clones, and the smaller mystery of Sifo-Dyas's identity. The larger and more important mystery was resolved. TCW needed to resolve the smaller mystery, which wasn't important to the overall story but was notable enough to be addressed.

This has been explained to you repeatedly but you seem incapable of listening.

>>93393574
Different times, different standards

>>93393572
The Chosen One prophecy is still very much canon, and always will be

Really if you want to go the "writer said one thing but changed his mind, BAD WRITING!" path, Leia being the "other" Yoda mentioned is a genuine example of Lucas introducing a mystery only to resolve it in a completely different way than he originally intended.

>>93393555
Because TCW was the perfect format for worldbuilding like that.

For goodness sakes, there was a TCW episode showing an Angel on the moon of Iego, span out of a single line of dialogue in TPM.

>>93393572
>Honestly it should have never been included

I always look at it from a writing perspective. It is clearly something that Lucas thought of when he was writing TPM in the nineties so what made him think he needed it? And why make Vader, who was just a Jedi turned Sith, into Space Jesus?

It felt like Lucas was trying to add unnecessary epicness to the prequel films when they didn't really need it.

Did Anakin NEED to be some sort of prodigy/demigod/whatever in order for the story to play out. No.

The fact that TPM came out the same year as The Matrix didn't help either what with Neo being The One.

>>93393552
something lewd or semi-lewd with Maul and Ezra next to SS's bisected body

>>93393631
There are a billion ways to do that without the prophecy bullshit.

>>93393591
The original voice was famous character actor Jason Wingreen, who in many respects I prefer, but Temuera Morrison is just too cool and it adds such great continuity that I can't help but love it
I hate Dee Bradley Baker desu

>>93393574
>but the simple fact is that no bashed the OT when it was released. Those movies won awards.
how can you be this wrong? They were absolutely despised by postmodernist Socialist Realism edgelords who couldn't stand sincere idealism and morals, and invariably lost awards to "respectable" genres

take for example the infamous Oscar snub of 1977 when Star Wars lost to a shitty Woody Allen romcom, Annie Hall

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>>93393555
Becuase of people like you who needed it spelled out for them I assume.

>>93393519
I don't follow your logic because it posits that not elaborating even further on a resolved plot point is bad writing.

>>93388626
>>93393572
>>93393679
>>93393682
see
>>93393631
>the chosen one prophecy establishes Anakin as a special outsider who must always be kept at arm's distance and treated with simultaneous respect and fearful hatred, which leads to his dysfunctional behavior

Also pic related from the mid 1970's.

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>>93393541
>The shield was still up.

>>93393682
>There are a billion ways to do that
Name 687

>>93393692
>but Temuera Morrison is just too cool and it adds such great continuity that I can't help but love it
You my nigga

>I hate Dee Bradley Baker desu
You aint my nigga

Take a leaf out of Lucasfilms book with what they decided for BF2; Why not both?

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>as time goes on, I grow to sympathize with and understand his decisions/ideas more and more

Anyone else feel the same way?

>>93393682
>hypothetical superior alternatives exist so that means what we got is shit
that's called the nirvana fallacy you stupid fucking plebeian nigger

>>93393576
>>btw I'm right about my original argument even though I didn't make it ;^)

I made MY argument a few days ago and was correct about it.

Just because I and some other anon made similar arguments doesn't mean we're the same person.

I honestly never said the shield gate wasn't powering the shield. I only made the case that the shield was still up after the Star Destroyer crash.

For as cocky and arrogant as lot of you are, you lack some pretty basic understanding of the English language.

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>>93393734
I always did. I just get more and more tired who think this this nigger
<------
has good taste in film.

>>93393734
There's still stuff I disagree with but I think a lot of recent developments have made me realize he had a better understanding of what he was doing than a lot of us realized.

>>93393692
>Oscar snub of 1977

Star Wars still won seven awards.

How many did any of the PT win?

>>93393734
I never stopped believing in Lucas.

He was too good for Hollywood, too good for it all.

>>93393733
Honestly I think Morrison for Jango/Boba and Baker for the clones was a perfect decision. Jango and Boba are old edgelords. The clones are all young, bright-eyed soldiers.

>>93393758
thank you. I actually fucking hate this guy. he's such a pretentious twat.

>>93393744
>Just because I and some other anon made similar arguments doesn't mean we're the same person.

the way you continually

refuse to even consider the possibility

that you might be wrong and others

might be right while ignoring any evidence or arguments they make because they might

dispel your claims

means you are probably the same

fag

also

identical

reddit

spacing

>>93393758
*of people
so tired I typed too fast

>>93393767
>oscars
Daily reminder that they don't even watch half the movies they are giving awards to.
You're on /co/, you should know this.
They admitted to not watching a lot of the animated entries last year.

>>93393743
this
Fallacies are all the Lucas haters have left it seems.

>>93393743
I'm saying what we got was shit. It's completely unnecessary .

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>>93393758
>think this this nigger has good taste in film.

Really? What's Ahmed's favorite films?

>>93393700
>Also pic related from the mid 1970's.

The Son of the Suns prophecy was dropped from Star Wars and ultimately the OT completely.

My point still stands that not in 1977, 1980 or 1983 was here any mention of a prohpecy.

It wasn't until the nineties that this was introduced to the franchise. Why?

>>93393760
Lucas was autistically passionate about what he did. He always took immense care in what he was doing, and the stories he was telling, even if it didn't always translate perfectly to the audience. He was also always pushing Lucasfilm and ILM to its absolute limits to keep Star Wars breaking new ground in special effects, so that Lucas could truly tell the stories that were in his head. This was true across all 6 of his movies.

The meme that he was half-assing it and didn't care needs to die.

>>93393787
>proper formatting is reddit and therefore bad

Clearly the worst meme of 2017.

>>93393815
see
>>93393700
>>the chosen one prophecy establishes Anakin as a special outsider who must always be kept at arm's distance and treated with simultaneous respect and fearful hatred, which leads to his dysfunctional behavior

>>93393820
I saw him in an IBM commercial the other day and did a double take, I'm not used to seeing him in something completely unrelated to Star Wars.

>>93393700
What does this have to do with anything?

>>93393767
>The Phantom Menace was nominated for three Academy Awards: Best Sound Editing, Best Visual Effects, and Best Sound Mixing (Gary Rydstrom, Tom Johnson, Shawn Murphy, and John Midgley); all of which went to The Matrix.[168][169] The film won Saturn Awards for Best Costumes and Best Special Effects,[170] the MTV Movie Award for Best Action Scene,[171] and a Young Artist Award for Jake Lloyd's performance.[172] It was also nominated for—among others—the BAFTAs for Visual Effects and Sound,[173] and the Grammy Award for Best Score Soundtrack for Visual Media.[174]

>Following suit with the series' previous installments, the Academy Awards nominated Attack of the Clones' Rob Coleman, Pablo Helman, John Knoll, and Ben Snow for Best Visual Effects at the 2003 Academy Awards, but the award ultimately went to The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers.[55] Natalie Portman was also honored at the Teen Choice Awards,[56] and the film received an award for Best Fight at the MTV Movie Awards.[57]

>Despite being the prequel trilogy's best reviewed and received film, it received fewer award nominations than the previous films. It became the only Star Wars film not to be nominated for an Academy Award for Best Visual Effects; however, it was nominated for Best Makeup (Dave Elsey and Nikki Gooley), losing to The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe.[84] It also won "Favorite Motion Picture" and "Favorite Dramatic Motion Picture" awards at the People's Choice Awards,[85] "Hollywood Movie of the Year" award at the Hollywood Film Festival,[86] Empire Awards (Sci-Fi/Fantasy Film),[87] and the Teen Choice Award for Choice Movie - Action.[88] It also was nominated for Best Score Soundtrack Album at the 48th Grammy Awards in 2006.

>>93393825
>Why?
Because it's a part of Anakin's fall.
see
>>93393833
>>>the chosen one prophecy establishes Anakin as a special outsider who must always be kept at arm's distance and treated with simultaneous respect and fearful hatred, which leads to his dysfunctional behavior

>>93393778
100% true

Also, as Sam Witwer said, the voices are now the ones that resonate with fans on an emotional level. Boba/Jango from the movies with Temuera who we actually interact with way more intimately than Boba.

And then the younger Baker Clones who fans bonded with for the past 9-years, who fans have actually shed tears for

>>93393849
see
>>93393855
>>>>the chosen one prophecy establishes Anakin as a special outsider who must always be kept at arm's distance and treated with simultaneous respect and fearful hatred, which leads to his dysfunctional behavior

>>93393743

He's not saying it's shit BECAUSE other things exist.

He's saying it's shit because it's UNNECESSARY.

The reading comprehension on this board is terrible.

>>93393778
There's a part of me that's still bothered by Baker doing an Australian accent for the clones but I've also gotten so used to that voice for the clones.

>>93393879
>He's saying it's shit because it's UNNECESSARY.
But it objectively isn't.
see
>>93393874
>>>>>the chosen one prophecy establishes Anakin as a special outsider who must always be kept at arm's distance and treated with simultaneous respect and fearful hatred, which leads to his dysfunctional behavior

>>93393767
>>93393850
because comment too long

>As did every film of the original trilogy, the film won the Saturn Award for Best Science Fiction Film.[89] Williams also won Best Music. The film was nominated for ten Saturn Awards overall, including Best Director and Best Writing for Lucas, Best Actor for Christensen, Best Actress for Natalie Portman and Best Supporting Actor for Ian McDiarmid.

>>93393825
>>93393879
>it wasn't in the OT therefore it could not and should not exist
AHAHAHAH OH MY GOD YOU WERE AN RLMFAG THIS ENTIRE TIME NO WONDER YOU SHITPOSTED ABOUT THE SHIELD GATE IN ROGUE ONE, YOU THOUGHT IT WAS AN ACTUAL PLOT HOLE

>>93393787

Want to know a secret?

I've never been to reddit. Not once in my entire life have I ever looked at that website.

And it's funny how you say I was the one ignoring evidence when all of you ignored the fact that shield was still up in the final shot of the movie.

>>93393552
Thrawn, Tarkin, Vader, and Kallus bullying Minister Tua about her hat

>>93393791
>They admitted to not watching a lot of the animated entries last year.

Last year.

1977

pick one

>>93393892
>the chosen one prophecy establishes Anakin as a special outsider who must always be kept at arm's distance and treated with simultaneous respect and fearful hatred, which leads to his dysfunctional behavior
>mfw people keep giving my thoughtful star wars insight (you)s with additional greentext arrows

I'm really glad somebody appreciated my opinion <:3c

>>93393900
>it wasn't in the OT therefore it could not and should not exist
When did anyone actually say that? I'm beginning to doubt that anyone here can actually read.

>>93393922
I provided an instance where they were lazy and irresponsible.
All you're done is assume oscars are indicative of quality.

"Gravity" won SEVEN Oscars for fuck's sake.

>>93393929
Because it's true.
It's so obviously true that it astounds me how hard some people like this guy
>>93393943
are dancing around it.

>>93393892
>But it objectively isn't.

Disagreeing with him is okay, but don't put words in his mouth. Your argument about what he said was wrong. You said

>hypothetical superior alternatives exist so that means what we got is shit

Which wasn't what he said.

Once again, the reading comprehension on this board is terrible.

>>93393952

At least I'm providing sources to back my claim.

What do you have?

>>93393905
>And it's funny how you say I was the one ignoring evidence when all of you ignored the fact that shield was still up in the final shot of the movie.
he says, while ignoring all the canon sources contradicting this claim
http://www.starwars.com/databank/hammerhead-corvette
>Indeed, they were the key to the Alliance's victory at the Battle of Scarif, as a Hammerhead Corvette was used to drive a Star Destroyer into Scarif's shield generator.
which you conveniently and suspiciously refused to respond to every time an example such as that was brought up

>>93393943
>says the prophecy is bad in one post
>gives the reason that it wasn't mentioned in the ot to support his claim
>ergo, syllogistic logic dictates that the order of his thinking was that, because they were not in the ot, they are bad
literally philosophy 101 you double nigger

>>93393975
I'm not the guy who made the fallacy comment though.

>>93393991
>>says the prophecy is bad in one post
>>gives the reason that it wasn't mentioned in the ot to support his claim
>>ergo, syllogistic logic dictates that the order of his thinking was that, because they were not in the ot, they are bad
>literally philosophy 101 you double nigger
this

>>93393989
If you like Gravity, I got nothin' for ya.

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>the state of this thread

>>93393975
>There are a billion ways to do that without the prophecy bullshit.
>states hyperbolic hypothetical
>claims what we got is shit


you


need


to stop


reddit spacing


and learn
to read instead of projecting your own mental deficiency onto others

>>93393991
>literally philosophy 101 you double nigger
So basically you're putting words into his mouth?

test

>>93393991
>literally philosophy 101 you double nigger

What I am saying is that Lucas either A) invented or B) reinstated a previously unused idea of their being a prophecy about Anakin Skywalker. Lucas even went so far as to lie and say he wrote a story which he refered to as THE TRAGEDY OF DARTH VADER in a interview. Coppola was beside him when he said it and called him out on it.

I'm saying I think it's weak writing NOT because it wasn't in the OT, but because it was something that came out of nowhere and suddenly had great importance for Darth Vader in the PT.

The reason the OT got mentioned was as a reference, not as my final argument.

You anon's seriously need to learn how to read.

>>93394041
>prophesy was good
wew
What's next?
Are we gonna claim that whatever shits out of Lucas's mouth is great?

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>>93393991
>which you conveniently and suspiciously refused to respond to every time an example such as that was brought up

It's in the movie.

I have a screencap from someone in the production of the movie stating that the blue aura IS the shield.

If someone else says differently, they are wrong. Look at pic related. It's in the last shot of the film before the credits.

>>93394061
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllogism

>makes claim
>refuted
>says he never made that claim
I have been breaking up my arguments into little pieces in order to prove you wrong and you, with your sub-infantile intelligence (for at least a child understands after you spell things out to them), continue to come back for more punishment. Fascinating.

>>93394098
>impugning the creator of the franchise he claims to be a fan of
let's play spot the eufag

>>93394136
that's not the argument, the argument is that the shield is down and the shield gate generates the shield, stop trying to distract from your initial claim

>>93394061
>So basically you're putting words into his mouth?

They do that a lot here.

>>93394167
>that's not the argument, the argument is that the shield is down and the shield gate generates the shield, stop trying to distract from your initial claim

My initial claim was that the shield was weak enough for the plans to be transmitted thru, but strong enough to be seen with the naked eye.

If you are referring to something someone else said a month ago, THAT WASN'T ME.

>>93388079
i actually think disney is gonna make it so Rey is the real chosen one and anakin is the false prophet like those leaks said.

>>93394167
>impugning the creator of the franchise he claims to be a fan of
>let's play spot the eufag
>You have to love every single thing about the franchise and suck it's creator's cock to be qualified as a fan
>implying I am a Eufag
Retard go back to sucking Lucas's cock.

>>93394167
>>makes claim
>>refuted
>>says he never made that claim

Made a claim that the shield was still up at the end of R1.

Was told that it wasn't.

Made a claim that the blue aura was the shield.

Was told that it wasn't.

I was right on both counts.

>>93388079
>>93394221
Will the chosen one be like the Matrix/avatar and there's multiple ones reincarnating?

>>93394231
>>You have to love every single thing about the franchise

No, you just have love everything about the PT and Clone Wars in here. They bash the OT and new releases all the time.

>>93394233
>wasn't replying to shieldanon on that subject
>outs himself as the anti-prophecy ot purist
lmoa

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I love how his spacing gives him away every time.

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>>93394077
>it was something that came out of nowhere and suddenly had great importance for Darth Vader in the PT.
What you described is called a plot point.
You are literally mad that a star wars movie has a plot that has new elements that weren't in the OT.
Good fucking lord.

And as for the Tragedy of Darth Vader, I don't know why people got so insane when Lucas retcons the OT with the PT when he retconned ANH with Empire and the Anakin and Darth Vader aren't actually one person thing.
When he wrote ANH, he had in mind that they were two different people.

THE STORY WAS *ALWAYS* IN FLUX

>>93394098
As opposed to arbitrarily disliking things?

>tfw this place still gets triggered about the plinket reviews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI&index=1&list=PL5919C8DE6F720A2D

I am loving the fact that for THREE DAYS I kept posting pictures of the shield still up after the Star Destroyer crash and everyone kept saying "No, that's not the shield." "No, that's some atmospheric anomaly." "Why can you only see it on the horizon if it's the shield?" "Endor had a shield and it was invisible" yada yada yada

I finally found some proof and suddenly everyone is saying, "Well that wasn't even the argument. Some other guy said something about the shield gate not powering the shield and we know you're the same guy. We all knew it was the shield.

You guys suck.

>>93394291
I'm pretty sure he's doing it intentionally because it's all the rage among shitposting circles to reddit space ironically. He's doing it to get a rise out of us and accuse him of reddit spacing, so that he can respond with "dude proper grammar and thought separation" even though he does it after every single fucking sentence (i.e. like a redditor). This kind of autism is a recent phenomenon that affects all boards.

>>93394286

I said I was the same person a long time ago.

>>93394291

I'm not trying to hide anything.

I only said I wasn't the guy who said the shield gate wasn't powering the shield because I'm not him.

>>93394308
>What you described is called a plot point.
Yep a shitty plot point

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>>93394388
>because I'm not him.

>>93394308
>What you described is called a plot point.
>You are literally mad that a star wars movie has a plot that has new elements that weren't in the OT.
>Good fucking lord.

But in this case he added something to the HISTORY of Star Wars even though it is never brought up again. It's pretty goddamn important to the overall saga now and yet the middle three episodes never even mention it.

>>93394356

I've never been to reddit.

>>93394355
>We all knew it was the shield.
no one has ever admitted that, they just changed the subject back to the original argument after you had changed the subject to the atmosphere

>>93394418
>and yet the middle three episodes never even mention it.
gee maybe it could be because they were made 20 years before?????????? or do you really not comprehend that they cant just remake older movies to fit in everything revealed in newer prequels? Which is ironic, because you seem like the kind of person that hates the special editions

>>93394412

>discredit a good argument because someone else made a similar argument that was mistaken
>keep assuming that two people are one person so you don't have to admit you were wrong

>>93394441
It doesn't actually matter whether you've been to reddit or not, you express distinctly reddit-style opinions in a distinctly reddit-style way in a clear attempt to stand out instead of maintaining anonymity.

>>93394465
>gee maybe it could be because they were made 20 years before?????????? or do you really not comprehend that they cant just remake older movies to fit in everything revealed in newer prequels? Which is ironic, because you seem like the kind of person that hates the special editions

My ENTIRE POINT is that if Lucas was a good writer, he could have made three films set before the OT that actually fit into the narrative without introducing random prophecies that are never mentioned again.

>>93394515

>call somone a redditor
>eventually have to realize that he has never been to reddit

OH WELL, DOESN'T MATTER

>>93394522

(cont) You all will bend over backwards trying to defend him.

>>93394390
>a shitty plot point
Source?

>>93394418
>>93394522
Again, he retconned important things within the OT such as Anakin being Vader and Luke and Leia being related even though they kissing in prior movies because he made it all up as he went along.
Star Wars is never finished, and OT babbies don't get it.

And besides, the prophesy dovetails cleanly with the OT when Vader redeems himself.

I don't get your issue. At all.

>>93394390
>Yep a shitty plot point

If George Lucas had crafted a good PT, he wouldn't have added shit that apparently has great importance to the OT, yet is never mentioned or even referenced.

>>93394522
>he could have made three films set before the OT that actually fit into the narrative without introducing random prophecies that are never mentioned again.
>without introducing
>new things are bad
hello jj

>>93394588
>Luke and Leia being related

This is another shitty idea from Lucas.

>>93394560
you of all people should be familiar with deflection, shield-anon ;^)

>>93394604
>new things are bad

They are when they don't mesh.

Naboo, Kamino, Republic destroyers, Jedi Interceptors, Jedi trials, Forbidden love. These are all things introduced in the PT that mesh just fine.