“DC made a film that apparently isn't terrible!”

OH MY GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD

>>92979966
>Someone on /co/ makes a thread similar to ten others

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OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD

Aw fuck it, let's talk about Rogue One!

>>92979966
Was what they said about Wonder Woman's origins true? If so, this was one of the most informative episode I seen from them. It was super interesting.
Also, nice double dubs.

>>92980134
AT-ST's AT-ST's

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>>92979966
OH MY GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWD!

>>92980254
Yeah, most of it

>>92979966
That was accurate reaction for everyone when the reviews came out.

It was complete anarchy and hype.

>>92980254
They forgot to mention that the dude was a fetishist and super into femdom stuff, which is why Wonder Woman would always get tied up and restrained.

>TenCent Pictures
Who's the obligatory Chinese actor/ actress they shoehorned into this one?

>>92980134
I CLAPPED WHEN I SAW THE THINGS I ENJOYED IN MY CHILDHOOD

>>92980386
He was super into femdom, but he would make HER get tied up?
Shouldn't that be the other way around? Make her tie up other men? I mean, I imagine she does that anyway, since she has a lasso.

Jay is my man-crush.

>>92980612
Rich Evans is best RLM.

>>92979966
>Plinkett dies because Rich refused to see this DShit
good to know at least ONE person there is loyal


>>92980392
there... isn't one actually

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>LET'S GO SEE IT
>kicks the tv onto the ground

I'M CUMMMMMMMMMIIIIIIIIIING!

>>92980134
It was very cool when the Star Destroyer BTFO of the rebel ships and Vader went on a rampage.

>>92980589
Her weakness was being tied up with her own lasso by a man

>>92979966
>>>/tv/

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>>92980433
This argument always fucking annoyed me.

The film literally takes place a few days before ANH. Why the fuck wouldn't there be AT-STs, AT-ATs, X-Wings, TIE Fighters in the film? That's what the armies used during the Galactic Civil War. That's like getting pissed at a WWII movie for including B52 bombers or some shit.

It makes sense to be annoyed with obvious fanwanking like the Mos Eisley guys, but come the fuck on.

>>92981372
B29 bombers, my bad.

>>92981372
protip: RLM is for people that want to have the right opinion but are too insecure to form their own

>>92981119
RLM hated that Vader scene.

>>92979966
Why are frogs raining from the sky?

>>92981412
Absolutely, and it pisses me off to see this fuckin' shit regurgitated all over the goddamn place.
>>92981413
Fuck them, that was the best scene in the film.

>>92981372
There's nothing wrong with enjoying it.

Just don't clap at it, you retard.

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>>92981412
this

>>92981372
The point was that those things didnt supplement a story with actual content. They WERE the content.

>>92981475
No?
The content was how they got the DS plans.

Pay attention.

>>92981412
Truly they are the 4chan of Youtube.

>>92981372
They've also made arguments how things like the Star Trek movies should be made for the fans and not have retconned elements so the layman can understand what's going on but then get pissed off that Rogue One depends too much on you being a Star Wars fan to appreciate it and that a random movie goer wouldn't like it.

Turning their passion of critique and movie analysis into a full time job has fucked with them, which I imagine would've happened to anyone. When you voice 400 opinions, there's gonna be a handful of contradictions.

>>92981473
>make fun of pitiful sheep who can't form their own original thoughts
>use ancient unfunny memes

?

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>>92981490

>>92981449
the Vader scene, much like the rest of the movie, is straight out of the PT

>>92981538
I think the real lesson is never take reviews as gospel, just as opinions of a people who don't have to be consistent or make sense.

>>92981119
Very cool.

>>92980254
They got most of it right yeah. Forgot about his bondage fetish though. Granted, he sneakily made it so it looked like it's a metaphor about women in society being restrained or whatever. But really, he just had a bondage fetish.

>>92981560
Certainly got you to reply though, didn't it?

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>>92981565
How was it prequel-tier? Because he used a lightsaber?

>>92981565
So excellent?
If TFA was "straight out of the OT" then give me more PT, please.

>>92981372
If they hate Rogue One for Fan Service then why did they like TFA favorably?

>>92981372
Because the entire point of the movie was to capitalize on people's enjoyment of those things. The reason why they set it in that time period was precisely to cash in on that nostalgia.

>>92981538
>They've also made arguments how things like the Star Trek movies should be made for the fans
What? They hated the second movie for having too much fan service, even Jay who doesn't care about Star Trek could tell what the winks and nods were supposed to be. They liked the third one for being more of it's own thing.

>>92981634
this
TFA was wank city.

>>92981614
basically a lighstaber scene to have an awesome lightsaber scene, with no contribution to the plot or characters.

>>92980134
IT B R O K E N E W G R O U N D

>>92981637
see
>>92981634
TFA was way worse on the nostalgia front.
>>92981640
Watch their TNG movie reviews you fool. THey whine about Nemesis not having young Picard have hair and how disrespectful it is to the fans.

>>92981640
I meant the original Star Trek TNG movies for the Plinkett reviews, not the reboots. Mike was the one who said he didn't like that Rogue One wasn't a good standalone story because it depends too much on outside info, but as Plinkett, said the opposite for Star Trek TNG movies back in the 90's.

>>92981669
And how is that a problem?
Star Wars is entertainment, is it not?

>>92981685
TFA had way less instances of "REMEMBER THIS THING FROM THE OT?!?!"

>>92981634
TFA had some really cringe worthy moments of fanservice, but it managed to be a good movie in spite of that (because it copied an existing good movie beat for beat).

>>92981685
>THey
There is no THEY in the Plinkett stuff. That's just excessive nitpicking from Mike for comedy.

Do you really think he has deeply passionate opinions on Ghost Dog or Baby's Day Out?

>>92981746
wrong
Did you even see the film?

>>92981705
it's just a soulless cashgrab move, like the prequels

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>>92981753
>but it managed to be a good movie in spite of that
nope
TFA was an abomination.

>>92981771
So Mike actually likes the PT?

>>92981753
>TFA had some really cringe worthy moments of fanservice
The only one I remember hating was the joke about trash compactors, but I haven't seen it since it came out.

>>92981791
not an argument
TFA most certainly not have any kind of "soul".

>>92981796
TFA is a competently made film that takes absolutely no risks whatsoever. The character dynamics do work well but they're too quirky and quippy for /tv/ so it sucks. Even RLM admits that it's a functional film. Seriosuly, there's nothing wrong with Finn, and at best Rey is too competetent for a character that we know so little about. But they do have personalities and character dynamics as opposed to Some Kinda Rogue One Skwad.

Rogue One does more with its premise, but fails to be a competent standalone movie with compelling characters.

It's simple as that.

>>92981782
TFA had the old and busted versions of stuff from the OT, the only real moments of REMEMBER THIS? were the Millennium Falcon and Anakin/Luke's lightsaber.

Meanwhile RO had
>nonsensical Ponda Baba and Evanzan cameo for no fucking reason
>Zombie CGI Tarkin
>OMG DARTH VADER SO COOL!
>deaged Leia
>Rebel base on Yavin IV
>Bail Organa for a bizarre bit of PT nostalgia

>>92981816
I'm literally not arguing about TFA at all, I'm arguing that RO is just as bad as TFA, if not worse.

>>92981746
>Millennium Falcon out of fucking nowhere
>Han and Chewie and C-3P0 photobombing the goddamn frame
>Remember the Falcon's cannons?
>Remember the game they played on the hologram table?
>Remember Darth Vader?
>Remember all those times Luke fought Darth Vader?
>It's like the Death Star, but bigger.
>Trash compactors!

I could go on.

>>92981801
The biggest one I was thinking was "Chewy, we're home." and the whole thing with the Millennium Falcon just happening to be there (along with the aged characters still in their outfits from 30 years ago!)

I understand it's a movie and suspension of disbelief is required, but that whole bit stretched it to the breaking point.

>>92980254
They got it slightly wrong with why he wanted a matriarchy. He wasn't into women being stronger than men necessarily, he thought the world would benefit from having women in charge because they were apparently more peaceful and nurturing. It's a pretty common thread in early feminist writing overall. Why do you think love gets brought up so much with Wonder Woman?

>>92981413
So?

>>92981634
>>92981753
TFA is essentially a Marvel movie. It's okay and refuses to aim any higher then that by pure committee design.

>>92979966
>company loyalists can no longer call their reviews invalid because 'Marvel shills'

Feels good.

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>>92981883
>TFA is a competently made film
Again, no.
The lead actress can't act, the story is nonsensical, the writing lets every character down (Finn could have been interesting, escaped-brainwashie and all), and JJ manages to get bad performances out of good actors (Hux).

Also Fisher can't move her fucking face and was to straw that broke the camel's back for this shitfest.

Last Jedi is already dead.
http://fandom.wikia.com/articles/mark-hamill-doesnt-like-luke-written-last-jedi?li_source=LI&li_medium=wikia-rail

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>>92981678
the english language doesn't have a word for the intense emotion of "oh fuck that was way funnier than I thought it was gonna be" that Jay feels right after Mike says that

>>92981696
There's a difference between needing foreknowledge to get the most out of something, and not being able to enjoy something at all without something else existing.

You can watch Aliens without seeing Alien and enjoy it, though you might appreciate it more if you saw the first one. You cannot enjoy Rogue One without having already watched an enjoyed A New Hope.

>>92981961
I think that's to hard on TFA. Let's be real, A New Hope takes literally no risks. What makes ANH work is the charm of the characters and the work that went into bringing the distinct blue collar wild-west rusty future of the OT to life.

Empire is the only masterpiece in Star Wars. Fact. ANH is a fun and important film, RotJ is a fun film, ROTS almost realizes the potential of the PT, TFA copies ANH without the creative charm, R1 is a trainwrek drenched in fanservice.

Clone Wars (both series) were pretty good, as were the games. That's about it.

>>92982067
>You cannot enjoy Rogue One without having already watched an enjoyed A New Hope.
>You cannot enjoy ESB without knowing ANH

That's not an argument, dummy.

>>92982067
>You cannot enjoy Rogue One without having already watched an enjoyed A New Hope.
Movies have finally become Big 2 comic books.

>>92982074
>ROTS almost realizes the potential of the PT
>almost
ROTS is the best SW film.
TPM is on par with ANH.

>>92981216
Again, wouldn't that make his fetish maledom?

>>92982074
Man, I like TFA but saying R1 had more fan-wanky stuff is just wrong.

>>92982074
>R1 worse than TFA
your taste is suspect

>>92982074
>a new hope takes no risks.

You know it was such a fucking box office risk they made a NOVEL finishing the story because they were absolutely sure it'd bomb and they'd never get to finish it?

>>92982117
/tv/'s meme defense of the PT is getting pretty tired.

>>92982010
You're really overstating how bad Daisey Ridley is in this. Rey is an everyman character with muh secret potential, it's a tale as old as Hollywood.

The plot has holes, but it works, and honestly unless you're The Dark Knight Rises very few films have plotholes large enough to detract from cinematic quality.

The characters could have been more complex, as it stands they worked. They had actual interactions that worked well, and weren't complete clones of OT characters.

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>>92980757
>good to know at least ONE person there is loyal

>reviews a movie he hasn't even seen because of some pitiful contrived reasons.

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>People really wait for Red Letter Media videos to know how they must feel about some movies

>>92982067
What is inherently wrong with a franchise having a continuation in storyline?

Like, really, what is actually wrong with that? How is that a bad thing from a narrative or storytelling standpoint? Books, TV shows, comics can all be serialized, but movies is pushing the limit? Even ancient Biblical paintings require you to know the context of it to fully understand what's going on.

>>92982097
>You cannot enjoy ESB without knowing ANH
But you can though. In fact that would have been a much better example. Empire is a good movie, even if you have no idea what's going on. In a vacuum, Rogue One is a bad movie.

>>92982074
ANH was a huge risk at the time. Sci-fi wasn't nearly as popular before Star Wars as it was after.

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>>92982148
You can't boil a single human down to a meme.
I'm not part of a collective, i'm my own person.
I went through my Plinkett phase.
But then I started thinking for myself.

>>92982174
Nothing. The problem is when your franchise relies strictly on the fact that it's a franchise, instead of a series of good, connected works.

>>92982168
It's so pathetic.

>>92982175
>In a vacuum, Rogue One is a bad movie.
Source?

>>92982168
I've read /tv/ threads where they play their videos in the background just so they feel like they have company.

>>92982197
maybe not every single human being, but a human being who spouts meme opinions from /tv/, sure.

>>92982074
ANH today would not be a risk, but that's only because ANH took a risk decades ago and paved the way for Sci-Fi to become the norm.

>>92982074
I want you to respond to this
>>92982145

>>92982141
I enjoyed R1 ten times more but it just isn't a piece that works. It's all flash and no substance.

>>92982130
TFA had more MEMBAH TIE FIGHTAHS moments, but R1 has literal fanservice, a lot of moments that only exist for spectacle. A lot of "holy shit look at the huge ships blowing up for some reason", "holy shit darth vader", "holy shit look at these guys being badasses" without ever justifying why all this cool stuff is happening.

Thus use to be a Wonder Woman thread, now it's a Star Wars thread, when it should really be an Alien: Covenant thread.

>>92982240
>but it just isn't a piece that works. It's all flash and no substance.
No, this describes TFA.

>>92982168
Their videos on popular movies come out within a day or two of the film being released. A lot of people will see the RLM video before they actually see the movie.

>>92982249
THEY CAN BOTH BE BAD

>>92982239
Why? He's been sufficiently proven wrong and clearly isn't responding because he realizes he fucked up. Are you really so desperate that you need him to admit it?

>>92982289
But they aren't both bad.
R1 is a good example of SW in minor, while TFA is the trainwreck that people pretend the PT is.

>It was Shnoke he shedushed our shon

>>92982202
That makes no goddamn sense. How do you "rely on being a franchise"? That sounds about as dumb as the argument that using TIE Fighters is fan service rather than just being accurate to what Star Wars has.

>>92982239
I didn't day that ANH wasn't a risk. I'm saying that the story structure of ANH is pretty clear cut for the standards of the time. It's well made, but the script isn't this fucking marvel of a script. It's just pretty good, tightly done, it holds up today. Empire is a screenwriting masterpiece, but not ANH. It influenced everything, but it was also influenced BY everything.

The risk came from the trappings of sci-fi and the work put into realizing the vision of Star Wars.

>>92982168
I watch them because they are funny. It's that simple.

>>92982310
That guy detected.

>>92980589
You have no idea of how much catfighting and women being tied up and dominated and tickled by other women etc etc. was in the comic. Besides, magical virgin birth to the queen of dyke island?

WW was part his wife(and her girlfriend)part him.

>>92982325
>I didn't day that ANH wasn't a risk
>>92982074
>Let's be real, A New Hope takes literally no risks.

really made me think

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>>92982277
Well you can't always get to the theaters soon enough. But you still want to be able to speak authoritatively on a film, even if you haven't seen it. So just find your favorite reviewer(s)'s opinion on it and present it as your own.

>>92982249
How? Everything in TFA happens for a reason, fanservicy and pandery as it may be. The story isn't wasteful, everything is either for the story or a retarded cocktease for future stories.

>>92982368
>Everything in TFA happens for a reason
Yeah, fanservice.
>dude the millenium falcon is here and han solo is like five feet away in space

>>92982347
I meant specifically with regards to story. ANH is a straightforward plot, TFA rips off that straightforward plot.

>>92982399
You tried.

>>92982397
The Falcon is pandery, but it's there to get them to meet Han Solo, who is there to talk to Kylo Ren and die and set up both Kylo and Leia's importance in later stories.

It's retarded, but logical.

TFA isn't the most creative movie in the world by any stretch. But you people seriously insinuating the prequels are better need take a shotgun mouthwash, because that is literally, and I mean literally, an indefensible opinion.

>>92982314
RO is a dumpster fire
>pretend

>>92979966
>capeshit film thread
>derailed
>not bt company wars, but star wars autism

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>>92982419
>and Leia's importance in later stories.
But Carrie Fisher FUCKING DIED LMAO!!!! THEY REWROTE EPISODE NINE TO CUT HER OUT LMAO

>>92982317
>How do you "rely on being a franchise"?
When you make a bad movie that only makes money because it's part of the franchise. AKA Rogue One.

>>92982432
>because that is literally, and I mean literally, an indefensible opinion.
(not true, by the way)
George Lucas is an excellent filmmaker.

>>92982444
how all live action threads should go, desu

>>92982445
That's what you get when you try to ride Marvel Cinematic Universe bullshit on coked up actors from the 70's.

>>92982450
>When you make a bad movie that only makes money because it's part of the franchise.
That describes TFA though.

>>92982445
>Implying they can't just CG her

The Force Awakens is decently made but incredibly derivative. Rogue One meets the bare minimum requirements for being watchable. If you think either of them are great movies, you're wrong.

>>92982476
They already said they aren't doing that.
God bless cocaine.

>>92981372
You're looking at it in a narrow way. WHY was the movie set days before the first movie? Exactly so they could do tons and tons of fan-service.

It doesn't matter how they got the Death Star plans. It's a sideshow. And that might be OK on its own if it was an interesting side show. It's not.

>>92982482
>The Force Awakens is decently made
pffft
Mike could tear it a bigger asshole than he did the PT.

>>92982354
I'm just saying, no one is "waiting" on RLM videos to form their opinion, when they come out so quickly after the movie.

>>92982455
Lucas is a visionary. He pictures these incredible high concept settings and stylings.

He just can't write for shit, and he can't run a project of the scale of Star Wars. He needed direction, and yes men didn't give him that.

>>92982502

Naw, the PT is worse, memer.

>>92982500
>who cares what happens after Luke saved the galaxy, that's a sideshow

>>92982455
He was thirty years ago, sure. But every criticism lobbied against TFA and RO can be applied to the prequels and amplified.

>Nostalgia bait
Every fucking major scene from the prequels is an inferior riff from the original trilogy, except for the scenes that manage to be even fucking worse.

>Bad acting
Nothing comes close to Anakin or Padme's acting.

>>92982535
well we didn't get that, did we

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>>92982476
this

death means nothing to based disney

>>92982502
Doubtful, since he loves it for whatever reason.

>>92982535
>who cares what happens before vader was evil
>who cares what happens after Luke blows up the Death Star
>who cares

You keep making all this retarded /tv/ false equivalency between R1, TFA, and the PT that does not and will never work.

>>92982535
Correct.

Star Wars was a one-shot (mostly) competently blown up into a trilogy.

>>92982503
Okay then, they don't "wait" for the videos to form their opinions, they just watch the videos to form their opinions.

>>92982519
>and yes men didn't give him that.
This is the worst meme.
He had as much control over ANH as he did the PT.
Carrie Fisher script polished TPM.
He had a co-writer for AotC.
Spielberg came in for certain RotS sequences.

Lucas WAS NOT trying to do it himself.

>>92982519
>high concept
that doesn't mean what you think it means

>>92982548
>Nothing comes close to Anakin or Padme's acting.
Carrie Fisher in TFA is far far worse.

>People seriously defending Jar-Jar
>People seriously defending sand
>People seriously defending NONONO YOU WILL DIE
I mean TFA is bad, but it's not PT bad.

>>92982548
>But every criticism lobbied against TFA and RO can be applied to the prequels and amplified.
No?
Look at TPM versus TFA.
They both mirror ANH, but only one ends with a LITERAL DEATH STAR TRENCH RUN.

>>92982569
Not even remotely true. Look up Sliver of the Mind's Eye, you fucking philistine.

It was at the very least envisioned as a trilogy from the beginning.

>>92982601
>I mean TFA is bad, but it's not PT bad.
It's much worse.
Hux's speech is worse than anything in the PT.

>>92982615
>but only one ends with a LITERAL DEATH STAR TRENCH RUN.
>He forgets that ten year old Anakin, randomly climbs into a space ship and takes part in a death star run rehash.

Shut the fuck up.

>>92982580
The PT combines influences of Catholicism with retro 50's futurism and Southern westerns (a la Gone with the Wind) and noir themings set to the fall of the Roman Empire. There's nothing else in sci-fi like the PT, which makes its failures so painful.

>>92982601
/co/ isn't /co/ without forced as fuck contrarianism just for the sake of it.

>>92982656
Yeah, a homage. Not a LITERAL trench run. There's no trench in TPM.

>>92982663
>which makes its failures so painful.
But it didn't fail. You must unlearn what you have learned.

>>92982598
Decades of Cocaine abuse deadened he fucking face, there's no way to refuse her a part, and no way to make her act properly.

Even then, her role in TFA was minuscule compared to the amount of time dedicated to Anakin and Padme.

>>92982663
no, I'm saying you need to look up what high concept means because it literally does not mean what you think it means.

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>>92982668
Holy shit you're actually defending the PT. Stop. Please fucking stop.

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>>92982702
>no refutation
as expected

>>92981883

>takes absolutely no risks whatsoever.

But muh black stormie and muh female lead!

>>92982668
oh, ok so as long as they don't literally show a ship flying down a trench its ok to have rehash a scene from the OT, nevermind that the entire scenario is mind numbingly stupid compared to either one of the equivalent scenes.

>>92982746
>nevermind that the entire scenario is mind numbingly stupid compared to either one of the equivalent scenes.
Please, enlighten me.

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>>92981490

>>92981561
>>92982763
Have a you if you're that desperate.

>>92982756
>now this is pod racing

>>92982725
Who claimed those were risks? Having a protagonist that's a storm trooper is one of the few things that I would call different for SW movies, not a risk.

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>>92982720

Calling what the PT did homages is an insult to generations of filmmakers. TFA had the decency to be upfront about its pandering, but the PT straight up copies the OT time and time again in its retarded quest towards pottery.

It's just a fucking failure. I'm not sure what you wanna hear, do you want me to start spamming the text of the Plinkett reviews? The failure of the Prequels is a known quantity, one that's been discussed for almost two fucking decades. Whatever good the PT had to it is soiled by all the bad.

Stop, anon, you'll hurt yourself.

>>92982776
Only one of those is a (you) for me but I appreciate it

>>92982789
What's bad about that?

>>92982633
How?

>>92982812
dumb phoneposter
Good news is that you're probably young and can still save yourself.

>>92982633
He was supposed to be a fucking blow hart poser too big for his britches.

While Anakin was supposed to be showing emotional depth and sensitivity.

>>92982845
His insane lack of grasp on what he is supposed to be doing in that scene.
It's like JJ just said
>YOU'RE EVIL- ROLL FILM

>>92982841
Nothing man, I was just testing you the entire time. Nice to see a another true believer in these parts :^)

>>92982873
>He was supposed to be a fucking blow hart poser too big for his britches.

>it's bad on purpose

Tarkin was too big for his britches. Hux was just bad acting

>>92982915
>it's bad on purpose
I never got this kind of response. Everything on film is done on purpose. If anyone didn't like any of those things, then they would be bad on purpose.

>>92982860
Star Wars “The Phantom Menace” was the most disappointing thing since my son. I mean, how much more could you possibly fuck up the entire backstory to Star Wars?! And while my son eventually hanged himself in the bathroom of a gas station, the unfortunate reality of the Star Wars prequels is that they’ll be around… forever. They will never go away. They can never be undone.

If someone who’s under the age of like 20 says his least favourite film in the series is “The Empire Strikes Back” because it was “the most boringest one”, then I suggest you shut this review off right now before I carefully explain how much of a fucking idiot you are. So where do I possibly start? Nothing in “The Phantom Menace” makes any sense at all. It comes off like a script written by an 8 year old. It’s like George Lucas finished the script in one draft, like turned it in, and they decided to go with it without anyone saying that it made no sense at all, or was a stupid, incoherent mess.

I guess at this point who’s gonna question George, or tell him what to do? He controls every aspect of the movie. He probably got rid of those people that questioned him creatively a long time ago. (Han Solo getting tortured)

I also think that everyone just assumed that a Star Wars prequel would be an instant hit, regardless of what the plot was. Really… how hard could it be to screw up? It’s like screwin up mashed potatoes. You boil the water, you pour in the packet.

Number 1: The Characters

The biggest and most glaring problem with the Phantom Menace is the characters. This is like the most obvious part of movie making, but I guess I gotta explain it when talking about this turd. (Jar-Jar stepping in turd)

So let’s start at Movie Making 101 shall we?

You see, in most movies the audience needs a character to connect with. Typically this character is called a “Pro-ta-gawnist".

>There seems to be a bit of confusion over what is a role model and what is entertainment.

Yes, yes there is.

>>92982915
Tarkin was career military leader with decades of experience working for the galactic establishment

Hux is a 20 something who appears to be number two in a rogue organization trying to reestablish a dead empire.

1) Tarkin was not too big for his britches, his britches were the proper size on him considering his position

2) Even if he was equivelant to Hux, expecting a character that is older to act the same way as a character that is much younger is stupid.

I'm not saying Hux's actor is as good as Tarkin's because he's not. But Hux isn't bad, his speech was overblown on purpose. Look up speech's given by real white supremacists after the election its the same kind of over boisterous posturing. If you happen to be a stormweeny and that comparison offends you look up south american strong men giving speeches, same shit.

>>92982445
There had to be a moment, after Fisher's death, when one Disney executive looked at another and said "Fuck! We killed the wrong one!"

Now they have to move on with their franchise with neither Leia or Han.

>>92983028
When you’re in a weird movie with like Aliens, and monsters, and weirdos, the audience really needs someone who’s like a normal person like them to guide them through the story. Now this of course doesn’t apply to every movie, but it works best in the sci-fi, superhero, action, and fantasy genres.

I picked a few examples to illustrate this point: Marty McFly, John McClane, Billy Peltzer, Sarah Connor, Neo, Charlie Bucket, Peter Parker, Cliff Secord, Johnny Rico, Rocky Balboa, and Kevin Bacon.

So in addition to being like an everyday kinda schlub, usually the pro… prutugunist is someone that’s down on their luck, in a bad place in their lives, or someone who everything just doesn’t always go perfectly for them. Eventually they’ll be confronted with some kind of obstacle or struggle that they gotta deal with. If we like them, we hope they succeed. The drama in the film is the result of us rooting for them against opposition. Eventually our prumurmrurm will find themselves in the lowest point where it seems like all is lost, but eventually they’ll pull through and conquer whatever force opposes them. It’s satisfying when our hero gets ahead from where they started off at. They make like a change. This is called an “Arc”. Often too, they’ll get the girl in the end as icing on the cake.

Now I need to explain that I don’t think that all movies should be the same, or conform to the same kind of structure, but it works well in certain kinda movies. So unless you’re the Coen Brothers, David Lynch, Paul Thomas Anderson, Stanley Kubrick, Alfred Hitchcock, Lars Von Trier, David Cronenberg, Gus Van Sant, Quentin Tarantino, John Waters, Wes Anderson, Sam Peckinpah, Terry Gilliam, Martin Scorsese, Werner Herzog, or Jim Jarmusch, you really shouldn’t stray away too far from this kind of formula.

>>92982915
Tarkin's britches fit immaculately, he couldn't have predicted space magic being his downfall when the only known living space magic practitioners were on his side.

>>92983083
Especially if you’re making a movie that’s aimed at children, and has a cartoon rabbit in it that steps in the poopy. This is all of course completely applicable to the original Star Wars film, and the character of Luke Skywalker. This was accomplished even without all the wonders of modern CGI.

Now with all you’ve just learned, in this video that I have made for educational purposes, I want you to tell me who the main character of “The Phantom Menace” is.

I can tell you it’s not the Jedi. They were just on some kind of boring mission that they didn’t really care about. Plus they were fucking boring themselves.

It wasn’t Queen Amidala, cuz she was some foreign Queen who the movie was certainly not really about specifically either.

You might be thinking that it’s Anakin, cuz he was like a slave and saved the day at the end by accidentally blowing up the starship, but the audience doesn’t meet Anakin until 45 minutes into the movie. And then the things that are happening around him are pretty much out of his control or understanding.

If a protagonist has no concept of what’s goin on or what’s at stake, then there’s no real tension or drama… without that there’s no story. So the conclusion is that there isn’t one.

Before the movie opened I was really excited to hear that Scottish actor “Ewan McDonald” was going to be playing Obi-Wan Kenobi. I thought that was a great choice, and he’d be perfect as the lead of this movie. But he wasn’t really… He just sat on the ship and complained a lot.

So YOU may like the characters, y’know, if you’re stupid.

>>92982873
I mean let's be real here, it was supposed to be a nazi analogue. They even had the banners and everything.

>>92983079
>literally only have Luke now
>didn't even give him a line in the last movie
probably kicking themselves over that

>>92983113
Number 2: The Story

The second biggest problem with “The Phantom Menace” is the whole story and the way it was told. It’s almost mind boggling how complex the awfulness is. From the very start of this movie I could tell something was really wrong. Just by the way it started.

It opens with some boring pilot asking for permission to land on a ship that looks like a half-eaten doughnut with the doughnut hole in the middle… What the fuck is that?! Then two cloaked figures walk into a room in a completely flat angle. They sit down in a conference room, drink tea, and wait to talk about a trade dispute with something that looks like my ex-wife.

While they eventually do get to the ball-numbing, mindless action that the fan boys crave, I found myself utterly bored already.

Compare this fecal matter to the opening of the original Star Wars.

You see, a guy named William Shakesman once said “Brevity is the soul of wit”. This just means don’t waste my time. You keep it nice and simple. (George examining a Dexter Jettster model) I said stop wasting my time… STOP IT!

>>92982624
I own that book.

A surprisingly good read.

>>92983143
Alright slowing down for now need to go on to work on crap. Feel free to cont. from here, I'll start again in the morning if this crapshow's still up.

>>92983118
Obviously. Only the first order aren't nazis, that was the Empire. The first order are modern day Stormfaggots and other neonazis convincing themselves that they're going to start a fourth reich, even though it'll never happen.

>>92983134
And it's pretty obvious Luke will die in Last Jedi.
"The Force Awakens the Last Jedi"
The last Jedi being Rey.

Why does Luke even need to teach Rey? She's already perfect.

>>92983103
He also couldn't have known his shiny new space station had a flaw designed into it.
:^)
I liked that detail from rogue one,
even if the movie wasn't amazing.

>>92980254
he was a bondage fetishist who allegedly based wonder womans designs on him and his wifes live in dominatrix. he was also an early feminist who thought world peace would be achieved through male submission to women because women were more loving and empathetic and he used wonder woman to propagate his ideas. modern wonder woman is a complete slap in his face

>>92983229
it was a nonsense explanation explaining something that didn't need explaining

another thing RO has in common with the prequels

>>92983184
Kylo Ren's borderline worship of Darth Vader smacks of the modern-day Hitler romanticism prevalent among untermenschen Stormfaggots.

>>92983227
Luke is the last Jedi, Rei is going to be something different.

I really hope they don't kill Luke though. All three of them dying in canon is a bit too much of a downer for me.

>>92983321
he even looks like one of those meme images

>>92983298
It didn't need explaining but it wasn't nonsense. It was a nice little detail. It didn't add much to the original, sure, but it didn't detract anything either.

>>92983340
Like what, exactly?

In any case, the Jedi are already destroyed.

The Council was killed in the Prequel Trilogy; their teachings are lost.

Luke is, at best, someone who stumbled upon a Bible and declared himself a Catholic.

>>92983340
They are both the last Jedi. The Spanish and French titles show that they are using the plural Jedi not the singular

>>92983456
"Grey Jedi" is the going theory. We'll have to wait and see though.

>>92983558
The Grey Jedi are indecisive faggots.

Pick a side, you fence-sitting wankers.

>>92983558
Grey Jedi is the worst fucking meme and I hope it dies with this movie

it won't and I will still be mad

>>92980254
They completely missed the bondage stuff and how the author believed women should dominate men worldwide.

>>92981600
He wasn't that sneaky, brother.

>>92983176
I really love how this worked and the PT memer left

>>92983610
I hope they aren't called Grey Jedi. I hope whatever they are called isn't fucking stupid.

Other than that we'll have to see.
>>92983638
Holy shit, I forgot this was a WW thread.

>>92983456
>In any case, the Jedi are already destroyed.
>The Council was killed in the Prequel Trilogy; their teachings are lost.

did you forget about the fact that the end of RotJ several of them came back as ghosts?

>>92980589
His wife was a domme that convinced that they should adopt a pretty young woman that caught the wife's eye. She would tie them both up and do stuff to them.

A lot of the things she would say were quoted in old WW comics, like something about "Every good woman needs a strong master or mistress to control them" and stuff like that.

>>92983668
Is that really what happened?

The Force Ghosts stuck around and, what, gave Luke a crash-course in Jedi theo-philosophy before fucking off back to the afterlife?

>>92983658
grey Jedi were always just Jedi who left the order and didn't fall to the dark side, but some idiot decided they should be an actual separate thing that used both the dark side and the light side

the whole concept is retarded

>>92983743
Ok. I thought people were talking metaphorically about it.

I think Rey will fall between the Light side and the Dark side, but I don't think she'll be a "Gray jedi" because she's never been with the order to begin with.

>>92983728

Is that more or less plausible/sensible than them just showing up one last time to smile and chuckle at the fact the empire was destroyed?

>>92983743
That and they also decided that the "lost history" of the Jedi actually involved some semi-divine species gathering all the original force sensitive members of the various species onto one world and teaching them the "true path" of the force that is balance with the light and the dark... and then for some reason the perfect members of that order were all killed by the Jedi and the dark Jedi, who then fought a civil war that caused the creation of the Sith.

>>92983862
well one is canon and one is actual fanfiction bullshit for now

>>92983848
Honestly, I always figured their appearance at the end was symbolic of their having achieved peace in death following Luke's victory over evil, not a literal pseudo-haunting.

>>92983898
I thought that Gray Jedi were canon now? I could have sworn that they were in a few comics and books.

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>>92983658
I can't read. I didn't leave, I just have trouble reading. I'm working through those posts, gimme a couple hours.

>>92983910

you could maybe assume that from the OT but then in the prequels they had the whole thing about Qui-Gon learning to communicate from the afterlife. Yet another thing to blame the prequels for I guess.

>>92983932
it's literally just fanfiction, people consider Jolee Bindo and Qui-Gon Gray Jedi despite them both being clearly just regular Jedi who dislike the Order's rigidity

>>92981936
course now we know better. Female leaders are as heartless and power hungry as males!

>>92983970
Well, you're opinion may be shit, but I'm sorry for your dyslexia.

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>>92983983
why would you assume that when Ghost Obi-Wan has full-on conversations with Luke and Yoda before that

>>92983983
I haven't seen the prequels.

Everyone always told me they were terrible.

>>92984027
They are, Third one is somewhat watchable to be fair, though still pretty bad.You should see them anyways though, just to experience it. But only if you've seen the original trilogy hundreds of times.

>>92984018

>ghost obi-wan comes back or the sole purpose of guiding Luke on his quest
>after the empire is destroyed he can finally rest
>he departs to the after life along with Anakin and Yoda

>>92984086
the point where he stops being symbolic is when he talks to Yoda

>>92984008
b8'ed

>>92984182
Wow, how will I ever recover now that you made me display empathy.

Don't you fags already have a Star Wars general thread? Get out of here.

>>92979966

WONDER WOMAN WENT ACROSS NO MANS LAND AND I CLAPPED!!!

>>92984351
no

let all live action threads henceforth only become Star Wars threads until the mods finally fucking ban live action from /co/

>>92979966
HAHAHA ALL OF DC'S WARNER BROS' MOVIES ARE SHIT BE SURE TO BUY DISNEY'S MARVEL'S RDJ'S GOTG2: THE QUIPPENING ON SALE THIS FALL!

>>92984559
How many dollars do you think Disney paid them? I bet it was A MILLION

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>>92984351
I think this goes to show how terrible the discourse is over at /tv/

>>92984909
it's either contrarianism about bad movies or literal, unironic pedophilia

as much as people like to claim /pol/ or /v/ are the worst boards on the site, /tv/ is just as cancerous as /pol/ (all the shitty "/pol/" memes that are endlessly reposted on active boards come from /tv/), and just as contrarian as /v/, with its own special sprinkling of pedophilia and meme-rot on top.

/tv/ is a fucking cesspit and I'm stunned the mods are so lax about it infecting other boards.

RLM are the only online reviewers I can stand to watch.

I'd also kill to hang out with them, seem like fun guys