>Batman, Lex Luthor set this up! I won't fight you!

>>92928107
>I understand, lets go stop him together

>>92928139
I'm glad we didn't have our titular fight, instead playing a clever trick on the audience and being true to our characters

>>92928107
>Fuck you alien, i have spergs

"shoot's kryptonite"

>>92928107
He was in the process of saying that, and then gor interrupted by Batdickery.

>>92928268
>Fuck you Aryan, I have -bergs
What did he mean by this?

>>92928305
and then proceeded to fight him anyway

>>92928305
>Superman so slow he can be owned by Batdickery trying to explain something extremely simple
Its natural selection at that point.

>>92928178
>>92928139
>>92928107
>he really thinks Batman would have listened


its like youve never read Batman before.

>>92928321
well yeah, batman was a killer bent on killing him

>>92928349
>Worlds greatest detective
>Not listening

>>92928364
Superman's plan was...what again? Try to explain something to him, then just kill him.

Because immobilizing him would have done fuck-all for the situation.

>>92928364
real good written supes wouldn't have lifted a finger

you can even have the dumb "Martha" thing at the end, but Superman fighting back at all was stupid

>>92928382
>pretending Batman isnt the most headstrong, self-assured person in comics


again, its like you never read Batman. This is the same man who had a way to kill every member of the Justice League

Let's be honest though. The fight it's based off of was pretty stupid too. Only this one had an even dumber reason for it.
>Muh 1% chance

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>>92928409
>real good written supes wouldn't have lifted a finger

Its like you've never read Superman before

>>92928404
Explain it to him, force him to listen, if he wouldnt then immobilize him.... why dont you think immobilizing would work? Are you dumb?

>>92928464
>I posted it again

>>92928447
>he really thinks it was because muh 1%

dude that was just a rationalization of his fear of Superman and his projecting onto him, it wasnt the literal reason. Or did you think all that shit about Batman being detached from humanity and all that guilt stuff was there for no reason?


Like the whole movie is about people projecting onto Superman, this is easy man.

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>>92928425
This is also the same man who in every other circumstance figures out that he's being manipulated before anyone else.

In this, he's literally being told that he's being trolled and goes on anyway.

>>92928480
Did you completely fucking forget why he was even there in the first place? Do you literally only remember that scene, you /tv/ piece of shit?

If he doesn't kill Batman, Luthor kills his mother. Its possible that with Batman's help they can avert that.

Immobilizing Batman does literally nothing for him. Its just a plot-induced stupidity, because immobilization still just leads to Superman having to kill him and at that point he may as well have heat-visioned him from across the bay while still standing in front of Luthor.

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>>92928485
>one guy reads comics and uses them as proof to why he likes BvS
>the other doesnt read comics and cant back up his opinions


hmmm really makes you think

Why didn't Superman just lazer Luthor and go find Martha?

>Why should I believe you? You're a threat to humanity.

>>92928571
Are you retarded?

>Immobilizing Batman does literally nothing for him

Uh, it would make Luthor think Batman was dead long enough to get his mother back. I mean I dont think Superman really had a plan beyond forcing Batman to listen, he was kind of fucked and knew it. Superman wasnt really in a position to be making plans anyway.

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>>92928612
He's only capable of appearing when Lois needs him, he has to find everyone else the old fashioned way.

>>92928571
>>92928404
>why didnt Superman have a autistically perfect plan while under immense pressure and on a time limit


jesus christ you are the worst

>>92928612
Lex told Superman that if his henchmen didn't hear from him then they kill Martha.

>>92928305
Its like a fucking cartoon setup where the character instead of fucking saying what he needs to say keeps saying "but..but...but..." its retarded, infantile, and patethic.

Honstely, its like the entire movie was written by the guy who wrotte Naruto or something. You are trying to justify some of the dumbest versions of these characters ever on live action.

>>92928675
You're telling me Superman couldn't find a woman in an hour?

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>>92928659
Sorry for expecting Snyderman to act like Superman in a Steelman movie.

>>92928675
Yeah but Superman can hear a fly shit in China, why couldn't he just listen for her heartbeat or something?

>>92928525
>This is also the same man who in every other circumstance figures out that he's being manipulated before anyone else.


Uh not really. Did you never read OMAC Initiative? Dude got played hard. Batman isnt a god man, he makes mistakes. And this is a Batman who had been retired for years and was somewhat crazed with guilt.


Read some more Batman, stuff like Batman Year 100, Batman Shaman, or the Strange Apparitions arc.

Also like
>>92928614
said

imagine being such a fucking contrarian gremlin that you're an apologist for this dogshit

>>92928687
>>92928695

Anon, you don't understand. This Superman only has powers when the plot calls for it.

Sure, he hears Lane have a sharp intake of breath and suddenly appears from the other side of the world already in full costume. But in order for the climax to happen, he had to suddenly and inexplicably lose that power!

>>92928695
>>92928687
this Superman cant, infact it was made explicitly clear in this universe that he really really needs to concentrate his super hearing for it to work well.


There was even a cut scene where he tries listening around the city for Martha but there is too much noise.

>>92928107
>Batman, LexDUUMM DUM DUM DUM DUUUMM

>>92928722
>This Superman only has powers when the plot calls for it.
>This Superman

>>92928703
Referencing a fucking Rucka story doesn't help your case any.

>>92928722
>Sure, he hears Lane have a sharp intake of breath and suddenly appears from the other side of the world already in full costume.

When does that happen? In the beginning? Because he was specifically watching Lois from space then. When Lex pushes her? He was already flying back from the mountain and heard her scream....

>>92928727
What scene was this? I don't remember a scene like that

>>92928734
Other Supermans gain extra powers. This one just loses core ones.

>>92928754
>Can watch Lois from space and hear her scream from miles away
>Can't find his mom in the same city

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>>92928689
>hurr durr my one true anything

goddamn you are a pleb. Read some more Superman comics anon, the entire point of BvS is that he isnt infallible and makes mistakes.


Read For The Man Who Has Everything, Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow, some of Byrne's run, Kelly's run---heck read Secret Origins even. Your "muh superman" is sickening and only plebs thing there is a one true version of a character.


They are instruments, many different stories can be played on them.

>>92928659
In what way is "hold someone down" autistically perfect?

>>92928822
Your version is still the worst, m8.

It was a shitty movie with shitty visuals, directing, music, plot, and acting.

Skwad is rated higher.

>>92928749
>hurr durr this comic doesnt count because I said so

Okay how about Knightfall, a famous Batman story where he gets fucking broke? Or Court of Owls where they out keikaku him? Or that time Deathstroke kicked his ass? Prometheus? EVEN JASON TODD has outdone Batman before!

now where is YOUR comic proof?

>>92928822
>That pleb tier list
Embarrassing. And I like how you hedged your bets with "some" of the Byrne run so that you can preemptively disregard anything where Clark has a brain or charisma.

>>92928850
>cant keep supporting his argument of "muh one true Superman"
>has to change tactics
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

>>92928349
>thinks Batman is an idiot that could be easily manipulated into fighting Superman
>thinks when outright told this that he'd just ignore it and continue the fight
Go home Snyder.

>>92928884
>he FTMHE and WHMT are pleb tier
>he thinks Kelly is pleb tier


AHAHAHAHAHA okay, I bet you are a morrison dick sucker or something. Or what, Waid? Is that gunna be the hill you die on?

>>92928759
>There was even a cut scene
>cut scene

>>92928884
>Moore Superman is pleb tier


someone hasnt read Supreme

>comic book "fans" who think both characters are giant retards

>>92928803
>concentrating on a particular person in the middle of the desert and watching them is the same as finding someone in a busy city

You are so dumb it hurts to read your comment.

>>92928849
wut?

>>92928178
why did we even need Lex's plan? Bruce had a perfectly good reason to kill or at very least permanently maim Clark.

>>92928905
see
>>92928878
and
>>92928614
you inbred mongrel

>>92928939
>hurr durr my characters have to be perfect all the time, they can never be human and make mistakes and have emotional or logical fallacies


jesus christ batfags are the worst

>>92928970
A part of Bruce wanting to kill Superman so hard CAME from Lex's manipulations. The letters for example.

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>>92928939
>comic book readers not pointing out awful writing at every opportunity

>>92928614
But how does this argument suddenly go away after MARTHA!!!!?

>>92929018
It didnt, when he said Martha he started choking him harder. Because he thought the fucking alien god now knows his mom's name.


Goddamn at least remember the movie correctly.

>>92928349
Must I remind you that Superman originally found out who Batman is because Batman thought it was a good idea to change in a dark room with Clark in it and was literally caught with his pants down when the lights came back? To be fare, Superman was doing the exact same thing, but still.

>>92928382
you just dun understand lord Snyder's vision, cuck

>>92929250
exactly my point
>>92929297
nice falseflag, no one here is saying Snyder had some deep grand vision

>>92929047
>Goddamn at least remember the movie correctly.

Like all good people, we try very hard not to remember that valueless piece of shit.

>>92929325
>taking simple shitposting for falseflaging

Simmer down there, Nostradamus.

>>92929018
Lois and Clark explained everything to Bruce after he calmed down?

>>92928614
>well, you're a poopy head

>>92929372
>hurr durr its okay if I say things that are wrong

this is especially retarded when part of your reasons for hating the movie ARE the fictional bits you make up in your head.

>>92929508
Oh, I'm not the anon you were replying to. I just felt compelled to point out that BvS is objectively shit and anyone who mistakenly thinks they like it is human garbage. If your immediate reaction to BvS wasn't to recoil in disgust, you have some form of disability.

>>92929047
But it did. He didn't kill him, he even started working with him.

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>>92929006
>Reading comics at all and not just watching the movies like a normal person

>>92928382
TELL THAT TO ZOD'S SNAPPED NECK

>>92929680
But it didnt, it made him choke him harder, you are literally remembering wrong.

I can't wait for everything Snyder has established in his movies to slowly be erased by subsequent movies. It's already started with Wonder Woman, and Jenkins contradicting Snyder about Diana disappearing after World War I. Slowly but surely all his ideas are going to be reworked.

>>92928107
*shoots smoke grenade to lure you, even though you could blow it away or use x-ray vision*

>>92930415
it didnt contradict that at all you dumb ass

>>92930292
He choked him harder.....the stopped. Are you saying that Batman killed Superman?

>>92932175
Snyder said that Diana had lost faith in man by the time of BvS but Patty has since said that she didn't, she just helped from the shadows and was more of a guiding hand than a direct hero.
>based Johns and Patty may actually salvage the DCEU
>Snyder's legacy will be erased
I honestly get a little hard just thinking about it.

>>92928107
>>Batman, Lex Luthor set this up! I won't fight you!
Batman: You're a threat to this world, alien. Flash from the future told me so.
Lex: I just killed your mom, snitch.

>>92932301
yeah he stopped because of Lois, not because of Martha

>>92932398
source that because the movie sure as hell didnt say that

>>92928514
Oh yeah, but now that they have mothers' that have the same name that fear is suddely gone? Fuck that logic.

>>92932505
what? when he said his mother's name he just choked him harder dude. Come on, at least remember the movie correctly you dummy.

>>92928727
Cut scene bullshit. Source for this? I've seen this defense before but no sauce then either.

>>92932530
Dummy ;)
Lois said it was his mom's name ;)
Suddenly batman stops killing supes ;)
Hontoni bakaero ;)

>>92932592
yeah exactly, which shows Batman that Superman has not only an actual mother with a human name, but also sees Lois caring for him (and if you remember Flash from the future even TOLD Bruce Lois was the key). It shows to Batman that Superman ISNT the detached super god he thought he was and that actually he, Batman, was the detached crazed guy. It was a Hamlet moment.
It had nothing to do with their moms having the same name.


glad you are so but blasted doh

>>92932493
>the movie sure as hell didnt say that
Yeah it did.
>The real issue here is the final scene in Batman V Superman, in which Diana explains why she refused to enter the public eye (or the Doomsday battle) until the final minute. As she tells Bruce Wayne, the photo of her from 1916 was taken before “I walked away from mankind; from a century of horrors. Men made a world where standing together is impossible.”

Patty's response
>I think that there is potentially a misunderstanding between what it means to turn her back on mankind… there could be a difference between having people save themselves and knowing that people must save themselves, and even still, being optimistic and loving about them. I think that they were sort of more [synched] up, but we were aware that her snippet [in Batman V Superman] versus the story that unfolded, you know… there is a journey of time between.”
Based Patty and Johns hard at work undoing Snyder's mess.

http://screenrant.com/wonder-woman-movie-dceu-changes-explained/

>>92932566
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/04/08/zack-snyder-reveals-how-missing-scene-explains-pivotal-batman-v-superman-moment

also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRfpZD2ggx0

>>92932680
>Yeah it did.
No it didnt, I just saw it last night. If you are referring to what she says at the end, she means the present, as in 2017. Nothing in the movie says she helped from the shadows.
and nothing Patty says contradicts that either wtf you are delusional.

>>92932675
But none of that changes the argument that Batman himself was making throughout the movie as to why Superman was a danger and had to be stopped.

Snyder literally forgot about his own fucking central premise for their fighting.

>>92932685
That shouldn't have been cut then. A lot of superfluous shit would have been better on the cutting room floor than the final product.

>>92932717
>Nothing in the movie says she helped from the shadows.
I thought you were talking about the fact that she talked about how she walked away from humanity.
>nothing Patty says contradicts that either
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Whatever you say Snyderfag. His legacy is already being dismantled.

>>92932675
>which shows Batman that Superman has not only an actual mother with a human name

But... didn't he already know that? He even mocked Clark at one point about his mother telling him that he was going to be someone important. And five minutes on Google should have told him Lois was into Superman.

>>92932764
what the fuck are you talking about YOU were the one who brought up her helping from the shadows you stupid idiot, right here
>>92932398
and you cant even actually point to anything Patty said, in fact in her quote she said there was a misunderstanding to what SNYDER said, in that she is defending what HE said.

>>92932718
no you idiot see
>>92928514
are you so dumb you forgot what i said not even two posts ago? it wasnt REALLY about the 1%, batman is just rationalizing his fear and projections, because the ENTIRE movie is about people projecting onto superman.

>>92932675
>hamlet moment
That moment is so contrived. He just says martha outright. He doesnt even get to scream SAVE MY MOTHER first before her literal name for context, exposing it for the contrived bullshit that it is. Lois being there doesnt make any sense. Comparing this moment to shakespeare's best work is a fucking joke and an insult.

>>92932797
No he didnt know that, he just knew that he HAD parents and was mocking the idea that they said he was special (because he thinks they are also aliens). Remember, the world KNOWS he is named kal-el. So of course Batman assumes his parents are aliens with alien names. Not named shit like Martha.


Also of course the world knows Lois was the first reporter to talk to Superman and is one of his favorite reporters, but Batman didnt think he had actual human romance.

>>92932837
He says "save martha" because Batman made it clear earlier (see >>92932867) that he thought Superman's parents were ALIENS. With names like Kal-El and shit. By realizing he has human parents his whole projected ideas of Superman being this detached god man goes out the window. If anything its Superman being smart, he knows that Batman wants to save innocent humans and hates his guts, so he gives him the name of one as a lead.

Its not contrived at all, it was set up throughout the ENTIRE movie, we see everything Batman feels guilty about and projects onto Superman.

>>92932837
>Lois being there doesnt make any sense

why? Superman fucking TOLD her where he was going and she sees shit going down at the kryptonian ship. The smart thing to do is to GO GET SUPERMAN.

God you are dumb.

>>92932925
Its a good thing they showed that's what batman figured out in the movie huh, instead of concluding it like some snyderfag

>>92932964
it was showed in the movie, very clearly, that Batman didnt think he had human parents or was a human in any real capacity. How did you not get this? Im sorry you didnt see it anon.

>>92928970

Batman wanted to off Superman to feel important again but was reluctant about actually doing it. He's only push towards it after the capitol bombing. That's also when he starts killing.

>>92932964
>concluding
>actually listening to what is being said and knowing context is some amazing deductive skill now

wut

>literally turned tragedy of the most popular and iconic comic characters into lamest joke
Why is Snyder directing JL again?

>>92932992
>>92928970
well not JUST to feel important, but part of it was to make his crusade on crime feel like it had an end to it, and another part was all of his own demons he put onto Superman that he thought he could defeat by defeating Superman (his guilt, etc.)

>>92932997
>a few idiots on a mandarin knitting board misremember a scene and cant understand context
>its the lamest joke ever!!!1

>>92932937
Yeah, but what did her being there serve? She's just there to tell bats that martha's his mommy's name. That's so stupid. Its something these two should have been able to hash out on their own. If it was literally any other moment before supes shouts MURTHA shes useless

>>92933063

She's there to save Superman's life and try to warm him that Luthor is doing something dangerous with the kryptonian ship.

>>92933063
What do you mean I just TOLD you what it served, her motivation was to tell Superman about the kryptonian shit going down and she did and he went and saved the day. Are you this goddamn stupid you cant follow the most BASIC plot beats?

> If it was literally any other moment before supes shouts MURTHA shes useless
No, because we already established that when Superman said that it made Batman want to kill him harder. AND Lois is a human that can vouch for Superman, Batman has no reason to believe him on his own.

>have TONS of greatest comic stories
>make shitty mix of questionable non-canon trash
Can someone please explain me, why? You don't even need to write or create something new. All you needed to do is adapt. I can't even convince my friends to watch dc movies anymore.

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Bruce in the entire movie was hating himself because he felt everything he did in his life, everything he did as Batman, was for nothing. Even worse he blamed himself for all of those he couldn't save or placed in harms way. He was so down and hating himself so much that he couldn't even see anymore a distinction between him and the criminals he hunted.

So Superman in his POV presented the same problem he did, but only a much larger scale. Superman was a guy playing a hero, much like himself, and much like himself everywhere he went he only seemed to make matters worse, because that's what the media showed Bruce. So Bruce was seeing him in Superman. The difference being that Superman could very well destroy the planet if he wanted.

So that's why the solution to Bruce was to kill himself trying to getting rid of Superman. This way he'd spare the world two problems. He'd potentially save the world of a lot of grief. What would happen if one day Superman woke up to the truth that what he does is for nothing? He could very well decided to end everything. Who knows. Either way following the news Superman was already fucking up things big time.

This is essentially what Batman arc in the movie amounts to.

>>92933261
Good summary

>>92933261

The other thing the movie approached is that Bruce believed that the very idea of heroism, or at the very least his brand of heroism (ie: vigilantism), was a lie. A lie that the bats made him believe. His life now after that realization is without any meaning, purpose or value.

This is theme of unchecked powers and self-perceived justice being called into question is something that permeates the entire movie. Just because you can or feel that you should do something, does the world really need your help? Are your actions really helping things? Or are you doing it just because you want or think you should?

BvS is not the best movie, but there are cool things there i feel people just ignore.

>>92933445

And the movie answered those questions, by the way. The message is that, yes, you should help. Specially if you can. Even if there happen to be unintended consequences. There are ways to go about it, but you should do good. Men are flawed, but they still can be good and do good.

That's why Wonder Woman was in the movie. To in part address that.

>>92928107
He tried that, Batman refused to listen. Were you not paying attention?

>>92928321
Yes, if you watched the extended cut (like Snyder intended but WB said no, we need to cut that to make room for JL setup) you'd know that everything Superman had to go on told him Batman was a brutal thug who sent men to prison with brands that got them killed. Yeah, BIG SURPRISE he didn't have a lot of patience with a guy like that.

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>>92933445
>Just because you can or feel that you should do something, does the world really need your help? Are your actions really helping things? Or are you doing it just because you want or think you should?

real noggin jogger, that

>>92928107
I watched BvS yesterday for the first time and while it's stupid as fuck, it's also pretty damn entertaining. Hell half the time it's entertaining because it's stupid, like Goyer's dialogue and Eisenberg's "performance".

>>92928675
Which... Seriously what exactly WERE his henchmen waiting for. I understand there was a timer and all but once you hear half of your crew obviously being taken down, you fucking kill the hostage.
And then when Batman gets to the Russian guy who goes "I'LL KILL HER I SWEAR, DON'T MAKE ME DO IT" and I couldn't stop myself from saying "just fucking do it already". """"Realisticaly"""" Martha should have died.

>>92928727
>this Superman cant, infact it was made explicitly clear in this universe that he really really needs to concentrate his super hearing for it to work well.
But he hears Lois banging on concrete cardboard whatever it is in the middle of his fight with Doomsday, when he's obviously got other things to focus on.

>>92928382
He's not even a goddamn detective, his computer is five times the detective he'll ever be.

>>92932675
>It had nothing to do with their moms having the same name.
Which is why at that moment there's a literal flashback to her grave with a zoom on "Martha Wayne" and to her death scene, with Thomas saying "Martha" because Batman's mom's name had nothing to do with it.

Why are there still so many dumbfucks who still defend Dawn of Justice?

>>92936808
She was like 200 yards away.

>>92936864

Because there are as many dumbfucks that got the movie wrong.

>>92933538
>Batman literally starts his ending speech with "men can be good"
Subtle.

>>92936856

"Martha" only made him snap and get angrier due to the PTSD episode it triggered.

>>92936888
But it was still in the middle of a cacophony of superpowered rampage and he wasn't focused on it at all.
I'm not saying it's necessarily stupid but it's obviously not a matter of concentration, or even distance since he hears her in Africa and then when Lex pushes her off from wherever he happens to be. It's a power that works mostly with Lois, and that makes sense with this Superman who's so obsessed over her.

>>92936891
>EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T LIKE IT IS DUMB

Every time.

>>92936907
Not really. It gave him a slew of emotions, most notably confusion. Yeah he chokes him harder but it stops him from stabbing him until he can understand why Superman said his mom's name.

>>92936922

I feel that the movie implied that Clark had become pussywiped.

Lex pointed out when he told Clark he had his significant other in his possession, that it was strange how Clark immediately jumped on it being Lois when in fact was his mother.

Then there are the bit where Lois feels conflicted about their relationship, thinking that maybe she's hindering Superman in doing his job as a hero.

Also, Superman way of dealing with criticisms seemed to be running to Lois.

>>92932487
Why the fuck would he believe Lois? Why would he not believe this isn't some last bid at self-preservation by Superman when he knows Supes already knows who he is?

>>92936927

Just look at the questions in this thread.

>>92936956

Because Batman was starting to see Superman as his father and since the whole thing triggered down memory lane he jumped on the chance of saving a woman named "Martha", kinda as if he was saving his own mother but nor really. That's how he decided to make his life feel important at that moment since he wasn't going to kill Superman anymore.

>>92928950
>busy city
Didn't they go out of their way to say fucking no one was in the city?

>>92936791
>hear guys dropping like flies
>it could be the guy that can bench press a building
>you have his mom at gun point
Martha was a bargaining chip.

>>92936948
The term "significant other" means your girlfriend/boyfriend, it was intentionally misleading from Lex. And he just "tried to kill" Lois.
But yeah in general he's certainly focused on Lois' a lot, sometimes to the expense of his superheroing, the movie makes it pretty clear that Lex uses that against him.

Also I don't think Amy Adams is a good fit. She plays the part well and is a pretty good actress, she just doesn't sell me on the overconfidence and cockiness that I expect from a Lois, and I think the script wasn't the issue here.

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>>92936956
>>92936993

BvS is essentially about Batman finding a new daddy and mommy in Superman and Wonder Woman. It's pretty gay.

>>92936997
Yeah because that went so well with the guy who doesn't even move at mach 3.
I can understand the self-preservation angle, but that just makes him a shitty henchman. Even then, someone comes to try to rescue her, you kill the hostage and go the fuck away, you don't just wait for the caped guy, whichever one it is, to have you in a mexican standoff. That's not how you do hostages.

>>92937015
>>92936948

I feel that Clark, a guy who was probably a huge virgin still at 33 years old, getting together with an even older woman and completely obsessed with her makes perfect sense.

>>92928178
Why are you such a fucking KILLJOY?
I came to the movie titled 'Batman vs. Superman'. I want. To see. Batman. Fight. Superman. I don't give a FUCK about your shitty comic book, I never read them. I want to see the fight.

>>92937108
Sure, I don't necessarily object to it in context, it's just.... there's something about it that bugs me, I'm not exactly sure what it is. Maybe it's just not that interesting?

>>92937140
Why are you even on /co/ then?

Go back to /tv/ and never return.

>>92937150

Amy Adams really suck at her role of being a dominant hot girlfriend.

She's too... what's the word? Plain? Nice? Submissive? I don't know, she just don't give off the vibes she could peg someone.

>>92937140
The fight istelf was mostly lame. I don't think Snyder is good with clever use of superpowers and gadgets, it's mostly a lot of punching.

>>92937164
I don't know if I would put it quite like that but yeah, I don't buy that Superman would be so subservient to a chick who basically amounts to a slightly more confident Pam from the Office.

Compare her to STAS Lois or Teri Hatcher and it's night and day in terms of presence.

>>92937164
The funny thing is that Amy Adams is actually pretty good at playing that role. Just that the script fucked her.

Much like Cavill and Supes

>>92937397
>The funny thing is that Amy Adams is actually pretty good at playing that role. Just that the script fucked her.
I don't think I agree. While the script has many issues it did give her the opportunity to play that part, there are moments where the character is written as confident/cocky Lois (notably the early Africa part and her interactions with Perry) but Adams just doesn't pull it off. Adams is good at playing other aspects of the character, but not that one, which I think is an important one.

Cavill I'm conflicted on, after MoS I thought he got mostly shafted by the script, but in BvS while the script doesn't do him any favors his facial expressions (notably concern, anger and sadness since it's what we see most of) are often a bit too cartoonesque.

>>92937473

>Cavill I'm conflicted on, after MoS I thought he got mostly shafted by the script, but in BvS while the script doesn't do him any favors his facial expressions (notably concern, anger and sadness since it's what we see most of) are often a bit too cartoonesque.

Cavill is good at being superficially charming and smug, that's really it.

It's why he was so well-cast as Napoleon Solo and Henry VIII's asshole best friend in The Tudors while stumbling everywhere else.

>>92928936
Whoop de do yet another Superman deconstruction. Haven't seen those before. Certainly never from Moore.

>>92931452
Well yeah. This is the same guy that throws a tracking device on something, then starts a huge unnecessary car chase (where he shoots at the truck with the tracking device risking its destruction) for no real reason, then uses the tracking device off camera anyway.

>>92937776
I had to facepalm when it showed the tracking device was by a complete stroke of luck undamaged while half the container had been blown away.

>>92932925
Even if Bruce thinks Clark's parents are aliens he should know they're dead since Zod told the entire planet that he was the only refugee on earth.

Moreover, Clark being human doesn't solve the issue of him being a threat. It makes it even bigger. And Bruce has no problem killing humans; he does it a lot in this movie.

>>92931452
This Superman doesn't have superbreath and he still can't see through lead

>>92937776
That fucking chase was the lowest point of the movie

Why Superman had to job so hard. It's not like Batman needed another push.

>>92928107
>...
>"fuck this shit, I'm not even going to talk to Buttman, I'm just gonna use my powers to locate my mother and save her at superspeed like I did with Lois at the beginning of this shitty movie, Lex is not even watching..."

Stop, my invincible enemy.

>>92937898
Why did they take Martha to Metropolis?

If Smallville is in Kansas and Metropolis is where New York should be, that's a distance of 1000 miles at least.

Why not take her further west or to a major metropolitan centre closer to Smallville.

>>92929741
>>>/tv/

>>92928107

>Wow! So your mother is called Martha? What a coincidence! Mine too!

>>92928645
Are you fucking retarded?

>>92928464
I think you missed the

>>92928107
How come he could hear Lois falling and fly fast enough to catch her but he couldn't hear his mom? She was next to a window for fuck sakes. I'm sure she said something like "holy fuck someone help me" superfag could have cleared that warehouse before anyone knew what the fuck was going on.

>>92928645
Luthor specifically asked for Batman's head. If you turn the TV on they're being very specific.

>>92936996
They were in an abandoned part of town, Gotham was not completely empty.

Why is it every time someone has a criticism it seems to be something that was expressly stated in even the theatrical version?

>>92932925
I don't feel like clicking every other response, and I agree with you guys, but even on a more basic level... when someone (anyone) was pleading for a lover's life in front of him he realized he'd become the killer who'd started his own journey. Bruce had become the very thing he wanted to stop.

I imagine throughout his 20 years in Gotham, especially after the viciousness spurred by Robin's death and Superman's fight with Zod, he witnessed very few people laying over one of the people he was beating, pleading for their life.

Add to that fact everything you've brought up and it almost completely explains why I don't understand the vitriol directed towards that scene specifically.

>>92933012
Almost like it was his Moby Dick... like the whale shape left in the dry wall during his fight with Supes.

>>92938775
>Metropolis is where New York should be
It isn't.

>>92928803
i thought that was reflective of how people often take their mothers for granted, which in this film became another variation on the theme of 'trying to do the right thing and failing', in this case because superman's attention was on his own interests, specifically his love interest, and he totally forgot about protecting his own mother.

>>92928107
>It's another autistic BvS thread where people argue over dumb shit from a dumb movie
I love watching most of these anons argue over a movie. It's better and more entertaining than the movie itself.

>>92939775
>>92932925
the thing that irritated me about the 'martha' line is that imo it was delivered wrong.

like, clark somehow has enough strength to keep his head upright and glare at batman but somehow he doesn't have enough strength to say KENT?

imo it would have looked better and been a better callback if superman were incapacitated much like bruce's father was at the start of the film.

instead, for some odd reason, some jackass thought it was a good idea to cut in the intro of the film directly into that scene, which is so incredibly, ridiculously, tastelessly, hilariously tacky that i think i literally said 'what the fuck' the first time i saw it.

for the record, i actually really like bvsu. it's not a perfect film, but it is miles above most capeshit.

>>92928514
>>92933012
>>well not JUST to feel important, but part of it was to make his crusade on crime feel like it had an end to it, and another part was all of his own demons he put onto Superman that he thought he could defeat by defeating Superman (his guilt, etc.)

that could have been better telegraphed.

batman seemed to hate superman for no clear reason, especially after it's made clear that supes' mo is basically to try to save people. the movie is really obvious about why batman would fear kryptonians / metas, but it really is not clear what batman seems to have against superman in particular.

i would have fixed this by giving batman a clearly personal motive against superman. i could do this with just two words; after the 1 percent speech, have batman stare at robin's desecrated uniform and say 'never again'

the viewers would instantly understand that the 1 percent thing is a red herring, because it doesn't explain one thing about why batman has an apparent mad on against superman; batman sees the threat of superman not simply as a threat to humanity but as a personal challenge, which is antithetical to batman's usual stoic demeanor, which thus sets up the audience's expectation for batman to come to his senses.

comic fans would wonder if this is a reference to jason todd, who you could argue batman might see as proof that even the best of men raised in the best of ways can still fall (i still think the original version of suicide squad called for damaged joker being jason todd).

the only clues that batman is off his rocker is the old black guy talking abvout how batman has changed, and alfred's sarcastic demeanor, which could be simply mistaken as colorful characterization.

>>92941518


>batman seemed to hate superman for no clear reason, especially after it's made clear that supes' mo is basically to try to save people. the movie is really obvious about why batman would fear kryptonians / metas, but it really is not clear what batman seems to have against superman in particular.

See >>92933261

>>92937164
i think the word you're looking for is 'safe'.

comic and cartoon lois transgresses boundaries as your prototypical witless female (tibs bedora), but amy's lois seems to have a core of vulnerability that doesn't quite fit.

it's almost as if the director were more focused on her character's role rather than on her motivations and persona.

this seems to be a common problem with all of snyder's films with the exception of maybe 300. his characters often overact or else act wrong, and the acting only seems to make sense from the perspective of their role or what the character looks like on the surface, and not from the perspective of the character being a logical, rational and emotional actor with rational self interests.

take zod for instance. i felt like michael shannon played zod like he would any other general despite the script clearly calling for a sociopath who takes power plays personally. i didn't feel like his acting matched his lines until just before the final battle.

another example would be jon from watchmen. jon is a god in denial, who is depressed because he wishes he were still a man and is only going through the motions, and this is clearly evident from his lines, yet his actor feels the need to convey this by overacting so severely that quite frankly it kind of ruins the film. it's unbelievable that silk spectre could be attracted to such an emo faggot, or that the us military can't see how unstable dr manhattan is, or that he would give himself a godlike body and a faggot voice, and it ruins the plot point that ozymandias is the only person perceptive enough to pick up the subtext of jon actually being depressed and capable of being manipulated.

there's more. loads more. snyder is good at understanding the purpose of a scene or a character but he seems really bad at directing characters somehow.

>>92928321
If someone was beating your ass, would you honestly try to stop and reason with them?

>>92928107
>I know Clark, I was able to deduce this a few hours ago, we need to put on a show, get me close to where your mother is being held and we can save her
>Thank you Bruce, I promise I'll pull my punches as much as I can
>heh, I wont.

>>92942611
...........fuck

>>92942567
especially if everything you've heard about him was that he is violent and can only be spoken through via fist.