Why is fight choreography so terrible in western animation?

Post the gif, you know which one

Try wakfu and the new-voltron series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KOH2Ocy778&t=132s

Also have a (you)

>>92484561
Cause you're a weeb.

Stop posting obvious B8

It has no weight, the fan made gif showing the difference really illustrates it.

>>92484652
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1svl3qglJE4
If being a weeb means not being okay with shitty animation from a studio that most assuredly has the means to do better, sign me up.

Didn't you make this thread last week and with SU as your only example, you uneducated yellow guy?

Genndy Tartakovsky stuff is usually pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nQLiq3PkG8

>>92484561
>Complains about western animation as a whole
>Posts SU
I'm seeing this more often than I should

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>>92484922
Man why did Titan itself have to be weird, ugly CG? It looks so silly next to the show's beautiful 2D animation.

>>92484998
I think it's the same guy

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>he thinks the best fight scenes are shitty overly complicated show off anime fights

>not They Live style completely grounded street level fights with real high stakes
>not jackie chan style slapstick action that endears you to an underdog fighter
>not star wars style setpiece/scene specific fights that fit the story instead of the story being put on pause to wait for a fight scene
>not rocky style everything on the line fights where the protag gets beat the fuck down
>not saving private ryan style fights that are more like what serious fighting actually is, aka fucking wartime murder
>or at least die hard style fighting where the characters visibly get hurt and roughed up and arent uber duber suber men
>cant even handle a good chase scene or two that leads up to a short but good final fight


get some broader taste you fucking plebes

>>92484561
The choreography in Superman and Batman: Doomsday was pretty fucking dank. They clearly either did their homework or hired good help for several of the action sequences.

>>92485012
a man can only hear the word 'toyetic' so many times before he is driven to do terrible things

>>92485012
Laziness and greedy jews.hotel ssme reason why 2D mechas went the esy of the dodo in nipland.

>>92485070
Okay, where are those in western animation?

>storyboarders for a comedy cartoon written by "my feelings" anime fangirls has no sense of action choreography without tracing anime
Go figure.

Stop cherry-picking. Even LoK had some pretty top tier choreography, even if it was missing the flavor of authentic martial arts that peppered the original.

>>92485207
Nowhere.
Which is why I'm telling you to get some broader fucking taste than animation, which is incestuous as fuck, and understand the broader techniques of filmmaking.

>>92485313
>If you have a complaint about animation, that means you don't appreciate any other media.
Great post, dipshit.

>>92484561
Watch the '03 Clone Wars series. Or Volumes 1, 2, and 4 of RWBY.

>>92485205
>>>/drunk phoneposting/

>>92485207
>>92485313
There was literally Jackie Chan and Star wars cartoons that were very well recieved, you dipshits.

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>>92485440
Fuck, it's really obvious ain't it?

>>92485513
>Implying the fighting in Jackie Chan Adventures compares even slightly to an actual Jackie Chan fight.
Genndy's Star Wars was pretty good though.

>>92485513
Jackie Chan Adventures did have neat choreography on the rare, rare occasion that it had the budget.

>>92484561
Because western action animators are in a different clique then the one currently gate keeping the industry.

Spectacular Spider-Man had some top-tier fight scenes.

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>>92485391
>RWBY

>>92484561
I really liked that fight, specially since its rhythmically, even that electricity sphere in the background was on beat too, this was the peak in quality of SU, everything else went downhill from there, excluding singing episodes.

>>92485838
You got some thing youbwanna say nigga

>>92484922
this OP is cherry picking like a mother fucker

SU is bottom of the barrel no matter what cardinal direction you perfer.

>>92486177
Mate, you're the one cherrypicking here.

There are scant few good fight scenes in western animation. Genndy can do good stuff, but that doesn't mean there's many other great examples.

>>92486221
>NO U
Great argument there, champ.

>>92484561
Here's hoping OK K.O.! Let's Be Heroes can make up for its incredibly simplistic character designs with well-choreographed action sequences.

I believe in you, Ian JQ.

>Tons of posts deriding the OP for picking SU over some other, presumably better animation
>maybe one or two posts where anyone actually gives examples

>>92485070
All those kinds of fights do indeed exist in anime. They exist in western animation, too, though they're rarer and generally less well-choreographed.

Not every show is... I dunno, man, I can't think of any examples but I know what kind of show you're referencing.

>>92486285
That's what comes when you imply that everything is as bad as the absolute worst.

People see you for the exaggerating retard you are and consider it beneath themselves to give you the response due a fully functional person.

>>92486252
>you're cherrypicking by showing what most fights in TV animation look like!
>here, have an incredibly rare type of scene from a master animator and director as proof

Hurr.

>>92486102
I don't tend to watch post monty RWBY. And Mounty as animator was the epitome of weightless overly complicated fight scenes. Its weeb shit for weebs that only watch anime that air on toonami.

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>>92484561
Plebs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyM7LsOXQDk

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>>92486346
>>>you're cherrypicking by showing what most fights in TV animation look like!

That IS cherrypicking you dumbfuck.

>>92486325
This is such a weak fucking excuse.

>oh dude it would be so easy to prove you wrong that I'm not even gonna do it

If it's so easy, spend the 10 seconds writing a response of "NUH UH U FUCKING IDIOT" answering the SUPER EASY question instead.

>>92486463
That's entirely the opposite of cherrypicking.

Cherrypicking is choosing sources that are way out of the norm and trying to present them as examples of that norm. If you show what most fights in TV animation are like to show what most fights in TV animation are like, you are not cherrypicking at all.

Jesus Christ man, I thought you were being intellectually dishonest, not that you literally didn't know what cherrypicking means.

>>92486325
There have been at least 8 separate examples given. A baker's dozen if you could each of Genddy's works separately.

>>92486580
see >>92486646

>>92485835
This

Korea, pretty much
If Jeff/ Joe animated the scene themselves, it'd look a lot better and even then there's still the middleman of Korea inking and painting and possibly fucking up the timing

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>>92484561
Why'd you make my thread again
>>92484614
I got u senpai

>>92484652
>b8
>it's bait because I don't like it

Fucking newfaggots

>>92486847
Korea animated pretty much every animated show across the world, not an excuse

>>92487176
Not every studio is the same

>>92487574
And the fights looking like shot has nothing to do with the Koreans

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>>92488039
The people who worked on the scene in the OP are perfectly competent animators

>>92488165
But Garnet vs Jasper was a really shitty fight

>>92484723
Is this supposed to be superior to the original or is it an example of bad fight choreography?

>>92488165
Except that doesn't look very good

>>92484723
>a single fan of the show animates better than half of the actual staff
embarrassing

>>92488532
I think it looks good.
I can't think of a similar scene to compare it to though.

>>92488165
>Amethyst just bounces off of Pearls foot
>Pearl's kick looks like it barely connects
>good

>>92488617
What's the issue people seem to have with the original fight?
I don't know anything about choreography, but from my plebeian point of view the only glaring flaw in that fight was when Jasper turned into Sonic.

>>92484723
a lot of that looks like camera shaking

>>92488642
>I think it looks good.

I think Johnny Test looks good

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>>92488730
Unnatural and stiff choreography

>>92488165
this was the only scene of anything on this level and the actual finished product of this scene is shit also

>>92485070
None of those are good either.

>>92488836
Fine, what do you think is good?

>>92488816
I had to watch this a couple dozen times just to see if she was floating in the air or landing on Jasper's arm.

>>92488730
Its very stiff and retarded choreography. Has no sense of weight.
The garnet vs Jasper fight looked like they weren't even fighting, just bouncing around without hitting each other.

>>92484614
>>92487094

Every time someone mentions the bad fights in SU it's always the Smokey Quarts vs Jasper, does anyone remember the god awful fight animation from Crack the Whip? Specifically when Jasper fights Amethyst?

>>92488792

It is. Probably to conceal the low fps. But the flow and viewing angles still look like a massive improvement over stuff like >>92488816 to me.

>>92484614
>>92487094

Every time someone mentions the bad fights in SU it's always the Smokey Quarts vs Jasper, does anyone remember the fight in Crack the Whip? Specifically the god awfully animated Jasper vs Amethyst fight?

>>92488826
I have other easily-accessible gifs from the same episode and others
>>92488711
If you knew anything about animation, it'd actually better to not draw the moment of impact on punches and kicks. Makes the impact snappier.
I can't slow it down at the moment to see if that's what's going on.

>>92489526
Except it looks like there's no impact at all

>>92487094
Why is only one of them moving in slow-mo?

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>>92489412

>>92488816
That gif is slowed down.

>>92491097
Is this unedited? I don't remember this scene looking so bad.
Or Jasper so cute

>>92485012
It's supposed to look otherwordly like how Galactus is CG in Silver Surfer TAS

>>92492113
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duEOJV78TXA

>>92484561
You mean a show made by SJWs has bad fight choreography? Colour me shocked!

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>>92486400

>>92488165
That looks bad though

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>>92492387
>show made by SJWs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecZo2tSP83w

>>92491097
Yeah, that moment especially was absolutely terrible. The fight wasn't good in general, but I would have taken the second half of the episode more seriously if they didn't have that shitty jojo reference.

>>92492421
How does it look bad? It's not amazing, but it is certainly better than the majority of fight scenes in the show.

>>92492652
What Jojo reference? If you mean the rapid punching, that's just standard lazy fight stuff.

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>>92487094
Why does every "SU fights are bad" thread predominantly feature a clip of one second of an intentionally goofy character fighting?

>>92488711
They are super-strong you know.

You gotta stop cherry picking the steven universe shit, it's getting real old.

>>92492687
Yeah, I meant the rapid punching.

>>92492812
Because fuck context, fuck you, you expect me to actually WATCH shows before making fifty threads about them? Fuck you.

>>92492985
Can you point us to some really good Western animated fight scenes?

>>92492812
The "goofiness" isn't the problem. The shitty animation is the problem.

>>92487094
>>92484561


>>>/vp/32556105

>>92493222
Then there are worse examples.

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>>92493165

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>>92493059
That's not even the actual JoJo reference from SU.

>>92484561

You're not looking at the right cartoons.

>>92488816
Why doesnt Jasper just grab her limbs?

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>>92493165

>>92484561
Most who have a lot of competency in that department are likely working for the big movie studios or in vidya. The west just doesn't produce as many animated tv shows that utilize those skills, and what you don't use you don't develop.

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>>92493165
Everything in Crisis on two earths
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avkfP75pyGc

also most Timmverse fights.

>>92484561
Because it's Steven Universe.

>>92484561
This fight had a really nice coreography. It just got shitty cuz they were singing meanwhile.

>>92493165
Read the fucking thread >>92486431

>>92492438
>I want to tear down gender norms and educate kids on sexual consent
>not SJW af

>>92493564

What episode is this from?

Also, which anime has good fight choreography? Most anime fights are boring as shit, they just tend to be much more focused around fights than western shows, doesn't mean the action in them is better.

For every gem like Cowboy Bebop and Fate Stay/Night, we have dozens of Narutos, which despite being literally battle cartoons feature the most boring, needlessly slow-paced action scenes ever.

If I watch something like Young Justice I'm guaranteed to get at least a couple of good action scenes every episode, and not have to wait fucking 10 episodes for one power-level wanking monologue-fest fight.

>>92492812
>Build up a villain
>She's jobbed in a goofy comedy scene and killed off

>WTF WHY DONT PEOPLE LIKE THIS?

>>92492919
So?

>>92493650

Best post.

Batman Beyond had some nice fights, and a killer OST to go with them.

Justice League/JLU was pretty awesome too.

>>92494459
Dragon Ball

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>>92494438
>I want to tear down gender norms

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>>92494612
Forgot the webm

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>>92494459

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>>92494459
>>92495160

>>92495160
>>92495271
None of these is good.

>>92484638
The Dofus movie has some god-tier fights.

>>92495357
Horrible bait

>>92494151
I maintain that the choreography itself was good, but the animation, while timed to the beat, was a tad clumsy due to weird timing, animation-wise.

I've noticed this for every single CN original show, pretty much all the Korean studio does is inbetween frames. However, they do it so robotically.

>>92484561

Fight choreography is fucking amazing in Samurai Jack, but I will concede that it's usually shit in western animation.

Mainly the issues are weight and timing and the fact that western animation doesn't actually try to make their fights look good or cool.

>>92494688
>constantly cutting and jumping around, most of the action is characters throwing and dodging balls of light while floating around in impossible ways

This is the problem with trying to claim an action scene is good or not, most people's primary criteria is whether or not its cool and not technical questions like is the animation being used to give clarity to the scene or is being used to obscure the scene

also if we are just gonna do action scenes like this any argument for fluid or natural human movement being important gets thrown out since they are doing such inhuman things anyway

Didn't we JUST have this thread?

>>92496650
With the same picture in the OP too.

>>92484561
>fight is a song
this will never not be retarded

>>92496803

Fighting should never BE a song no, but I love the shit out of fight scenes when the music is heavily and properly incorporated into them.

>>92496803
Somebody hasn't watched Symphogear.

More action anime comes out every season then western action shows come out every year. Better odds of something good showing up.
Don't need to worry about censorship quite as much, longer heritage of action scenes to draw upon.

>>92496616
>while floating around in impossible ways
How is this a problem? They can fly

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>>92484561
CHECKMATE, WEEBS!

>>92492113
That entire episode looked bad.

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>>92497949
I'm just going to point out that this scene was animated by a Jap from Trigger before any newfags that don't know about this meme show up and all scream about how you're a retard.

Anons, I challenge you to draw a fight scene with a shittier choreography than any SU fight. You can do it with stick figures in paint or with fucking masterclass art in flash or w/e the fuck. Just try it and see if you can beat the kings of shit animation.

>>92495160
>>92495271
>doesn't even post the Lee/Gaara fight
That's literally the only good fight in Naruto's 15000 episode history.

>>92484561
Because western art colleges teach students that it's okay to cry and go to a safe space when things get too hard instead of learn and grow from it like a real person does.

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>>92498284
>tfw hated SJWs since they started being a thing but the memes like "safe space" and "triggered" are getting pathetically overused

>>92486400
fucking faggot lol

>>92497949
it's just a 5 sec clip

>>92498114
yeah i remember trigger, they did the animation where they clicked and dragged that one character off the cliff.

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>>92498816
>mirin

>>92496732
Link it

>>92498869
Not really a fan of KLK but wasn't that a comedy scene?

>>92499041
Yes, but humor is lost on most autists.

>>92495160
>>92495271
>No Kakashi vs Obito
I have only seen a solid 3 episodes of Naruto but I have to admit that shit was good

>>92499336
Zabuza arc had good fights. And was the best arc in Naruto!

>>92487094
I swear that clip is a reference to Cowboy Bebop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6nmTundSn4&ab_channel=GavinClendenin

>>92499041
It's painfully obvious as well.

>Why are most fight scenes in any form of media bad?

Fixed that for you OP.

>>92499509
>fat yet floaty character flip-kicks opponent head over heels

The hit at 1:09 is similar, I agree, but it's not close enough to say for sure.

>>92499509
Looks about right to me. And makes sense given the anime influence of SU and other current cartoons.

Also, I'm not gonna pretend there's no such thing as bad SU animation - there certainly is a fair bit - but god do some fuckfaces love to shit on this show.

>>92493059
What? That's been in anime forever. Looked more like DBZ punching to me.

>>92488816
It was a song
>>92488165
You can't please /co/, they know better and are never wrong about anything they don't like because of the fan base, even though they're still part of some other cancerous fanbase.

>>92486275
Garnet Universe doesn't make me too hopeful and that was had the better animated fights in SU besides Pearl briefly defending against Connie.

>>92500487
>It was a song
And?

>>92500510
It was less about being a sweet fight and more about being a choreographed dance

>>92500437
>DBZ punching

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UmEch1eRXo

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>>92487094
Oh my god.

>>92500612
>"the fight is bad because is more about choreographed dance"
>there isn't any actual choreography
Ok

>>92500487
>It was a song
So? There was nothing stopping it from being timed better than it wound up being.

The problem's that SU has shitty animators/storyboard artists and the Korean studios have no idea how to work with what they're given. Which is funny as both studios, SIMP and Rough Draft, have worked on action cartoons before and even during the run of the show.

>>92500809
I meant like, them moving to the song more than there being any serious choreography, AntiSU-kun
>>92500925
Maybe the artists were stopping it.

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>>92484561
I think the problem with western animated fight scenes is that they don't have the budget for it.
>>92487094
>>92491097
>>92492372
This show in particular, from the handful of episodes that I've watched because a friend wanted me to get into it, doesn't seem like it's actually meant to have any kind of elaborate fight scenes in it. Most of the time it's people standing around and talking to each other, with a large focus on explaining the setting and story through verbal dialogue. Combined with the quarter hour episode format and an emphasis on having the episodes based almost strictly around dialogue I have to assume that Cartoon Network has it as one of its cheaply produced shows akin to We Bare Bears and Adventure Time.
When I think of cartoon series with really good fight scenes in it they are either high in production quality or have the action take center stage. Avatar the Last Airbender is a good example of this because it had both going for it. All of the various "bending" techniques used live martial artists whose movements were then translated by hand into the show, though you don't always need this level of production to get good results.
Samurai Jack Seasons 1-4 also have excellent fight scenes in it, but it's not because of the actual fighting but the flow in which fights are carried out and the variation in framing and focusing makes watching Jack in action visually stimulating. If you were to watch, say the fights between Jack and those basket robots from Season 2, you'll notice that not much is actually going on in the fight itself but the episode supplements it by having it drawn out and having several dozen different shots of the action over the course of the episode, something that Avatar the Last Airbender does to a lesser extent.

>>92485313
In other words, you have nothing to actually contribute to the thread and just came in here to talk down to strangers over the internet

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Just like everything Steven Universe, it's drastically different depending on the storyboarder. It never gets great, but there's some fun fights in there like with Ocean Gem and with the Steven vs Amethyst fight. Joe and Jeff should do all the fights really, but somewhere along the line, they started giving major moments over to the people who should be bound to just making filler, and we end up with shit like the smokey quartz fight which is just the most disappointing shitshow ending you could have given Jasper, and extremely awkward shit like Crack the Whip which was supposed to be Stevonnie's first ever use in combat and people end up having the air physics of an episode of Musashi Gundo.

>>92497979
Dude like every other episode looks bad. It's a given since Rebecca confirmed that she has never enforced quality control from the start.

>>92484638
No, thats even worse.

Heres some good fight choreography.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9GBkqyr6vk

>>92492919
So is superman but dc doesn't make his attacks look like Dookie in recent shows now do they

>>92492985
At this rate showing anything from Steven Universe in a non-positive light will be considered cherrypicking.

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>>92484922
Even worse then the OP.
>>92485012
Dude, we debunked that, this is beautiful 2D animation as Titan is garbage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsQrKZcYtqg.
>>92485553
It was not.
>>92485835
It did not.
>>92501138
Get that brown and those crayon box colors out of the industry!

In short read this, it will save your life one day.

>>92498114
Actually it was just one guy from Trigger, not the studio itself. And he didn't do this scene, he did the later scene with the butterfly.

>>92501272
So are you going to post a good example now or what? Because that one you posted is very slow and lacking in energy.

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>>92501453
I'm not playing this game with you.

>>92501407
>"look ma, I'm shitposting!"

>>92501453
Everything from Korea is slow and lacking in energy, is you and fast and full of energy go watch this instead.

http://www.supercartoons.net/cartoon/720/daffy-duck-the-great-piggy-bank-robbery.html

>>92501478
This is /co/ not /v/ though, nobody's playing games here.

>>92501483
No, I'm not, you never use crayon colors in cartoons.

>>92501494
This brings up a good question. Why is it that Korean made garbage is considered western cartoons?

>>92498114
That's not true. He only animated the song sequence.

>>92501483
Nah, it's just TMSfag again.
>>92501407
Neck yourself TMSfag.

>>92501421
>>92501528
Quit spreading such a blatant lie already, you guys are still this salty that Studio TRIGGER worked on Steven Universe after all this time or what?

>>92501526
You have to ask Moon Jae-in about that, he is trying to flush out the outsourcing and build up Korea's manhwa industry to match that of Japan's anime industry.

>>92501546
Nope, you're way off.

>>92501421

Hori contributed to more than one scene in the episode, according to the crew:
http://jeffliujeffliu.tumblr.com/post/149390072121/new-episode-of-steven-universe-this-thursday
The butterfly sequence is obviously where he did the most work, though.

https://youtu.be/8TFAGAyLzcg
PLUS ULTRA!!

>>92501677
And he still didn't do the fight scenes in the episode

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>>92501697
>Dub
Holy crap, I had no idea it was that bad.

>>92496803
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x37t6vd

>>92501697
>Villain has a power that resists the heroes power
>Hero still beats him using his original power, just lays it on even harder than the villain can take
Will fucking never get old

>>92501947
Fixed.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1z5zgx_tweety-bird-ep-03-a-gruesome-twosome_fun

>>92484561
>japs has tons of sentai to watch and get inspiration off
>a director that works on sentai shows does some work with the pretty cure series
It's not that hard

>>92501697
>All Might is Major Armstrong
Nice

>>92502029
So you're saying it has nothing to do with budget, production quality, runtime, series focus, context, or anything like that, it just banks on the director's experience?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x34qyeq

>>92484561

Because american animators don't know a thing about martial arts.

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>>92484561
I think you clashed the two bait titles together shitstain.

>>92501137
They're not moving in sync with the song either

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>>92502300
I just leave this here.

>>92501407
This is really sad, dude. Seek help.

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>>92504065
No it is not, it's happy.

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>>92503895
They pretty objectively are. The punch sounds are synched up with the beat of the music. It's actually not a fight scene I liked at all.

Pic related is a much better one from the same season.

It's like any show, some fights are good and some are less good.

>>92504111
Fixed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7T-a4jmZy8

>>92497949
>>92498979
This looks bad. Every action looks overly smooth, no wind-up or cool down to any swing or jump. No weight to either character. That's something I'm noticing a lot in this thread, SU seems to have no sense of weight to its characters.

>>92494688
I have to assume you posted this as a joke. This is awful. I'll never understand why people still remember this shit fondly.

>>92504170
Jokes on you, those ones were by a completely different japanese anime studio to any of the other ones, known for smooth and choreographed animation. Which makes it pretty clear that you're just talking shit.

>>92504170
Heres good fighting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoRLIFCqfVg

>>92504213
Joke's on you, I don't care, it's not good animation.

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Almost any fight in Last Man.
The series is half street fighting and half supernatural abominations, it is to be expected.
Sadly, no good video available on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ6CPq0H8IU

>>92504445
We don't talk about that, it's a insult to the industry.

This on the other hand is something worth watching.
http://www.supercartoons.net/cartoon/959/bugs-bunny-buckaroo-bugs.html

>>92504470
how so ?

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>>92486463
>Showing what most fights in TV animation look like
>showing what most fights
>most fights
>most
>cherrypicking
golly gee willikers mister you sure are making me use the heck out of my chuckle pointers this fine mornin for some of that good bait

>>92504488
If you watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5N9JnOJjZI you will understand.

>>92491097
I bursted out laughing when I first saw this, and just realized how much they don't care, but why make a show with fighting if you want it to be about dancing in the first place?

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>>92504170
>I'll never understand why people still remember this shit fondly.
Because even with bad animation, the fights are actually pretty good. Also, the soundtrack. Watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD7eiBXMNT8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfKifI_IJzY

It's barely animated but the fight is good

>>92484614
You mean Jasper vs smokey or that fanmade animation of Jasper vs Garnet with actual weight

>>92504540
I did, but I don't get it.
C'mon anon, god gave you a mouth (and fingers), express yourself.

>>92506488
He's just shitposting. He's making the claim that all modern animation is bad and the only valuable animation is Tex Avery/Looney Tunes/Popeye. He's been posting all throughout the thread. Just ignore him.

>>92501138
Budget isn't the problem, it's skill

>>92493165
>>92484561
when studios care about animation you get good stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XkK1pjVd3Y

>>92504111
No they're not because you can audibly hear punches NOT synced up. Rewatch the scene

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I think the final fights of bunny kill part 2 and 1 are the best on the internet.
>Fast paced but you are able to tell what is happening
>characters use the environment to their advantage and actually have to worry about other hazards
>music is in sync with the action
>tension and a sense the fight could go either way despite cartoony style

>>92506993
Bunny kill 5 to be specific

>>92504073
Maybe I'm an absolute pleb but what's wrong with the COD color? The grays and browns fit the tone the series is trying to go for

>>92507133
Ignore him already, this is just the same assmunch that always shitposts this basic color theory crap across the board

>>92484561
Western fights are awkward bar brawling

Eastern fights look amazing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKUWEy8ASGY

>>92501353
i allways forget how funny popeye is

>>92497949
Huuuuuh no, that wasn't done by TRIGGER, TRIGGER is CHOPPY AND KEY FRAMEY AS FUCK! Out of all Jap studios they could have gotten, they have to go with TRIGGER cause "Muh Westaboos".

The rest is still Korean shit as always.

Then again they traced over UTENA Animation once.