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/ourgirl/ edition

>Upcoming Releases:
http://www.swbooks.net/updates/release-2017.htm

>Out This Week:
Poe Dameron #13 (April 19)

>Star Wars: The Last Jedi trailer
https://youtu.be/-AIH28G2YRo

>Star Wars: Rebels - The Final Season
https://youtu.be/-b7GAhnVwhA

>Battlefront 2 trailer:
https://youtu.be/Kae-JjbLsgA

>Download links: (Check here for new Rebels Episodes + Books, Comics, Films, etc)
http://pastebin.com/nWsKtSya

>Canon Guide:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1t1KovH_1GYLDTAe3yrleeWiuzwulm670o_anQqr5Rcg/pubhtml

>Legends Recommendation List:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/147N5EgCnZmcPaDYvnGQwl9cn7BhBroFb7mD2C4cmWb0/edit?usp=sharing
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Post cute SW pics.
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>"It is vital we demilitarize our government so that a galactic war cannot happen like this again."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Post /ourgirls/
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>>91732886
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>>91732913
>tfw never a tea party with Ashley and Droids
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Best edition
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>>91732924
>you will never have cupcakes with Ashley and Clones
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>>91732876
Some one should have filled her in on the tragedy of Duchess Satine the pacific.
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I want Andi to shove a replica lightsaber up my ass.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__gLIyeQYDU

Do you remember, /swco/?

Have you forgotten?
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>>91733016
That's not canon, you stupid faggot. Make a separate thread for your shit.
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>>91732968
WHY EVEN LIVE
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>>91733016
>Have you forgotten?
I'd have to know what it is before I could forget about it.
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Is the TFA Lego Star Wars game any good?
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>>91733043
>Ashley and Andi will never take turns sitting on your face and slapping your balls while laughing at you
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>>91733076
Yes
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>>91733076
I liked it. It has bonus missions that fill in some details between RotJ and TFA.
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Is anyone interested in doing a Clone Wars/Rebels watchthrough? I really want to get into these shows but hear that the first seasons of each (first two-three of Clone Wars) are hard to get through unless you have someone watching it with you.
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>>91733192
have sex
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Can you name a single Rogue One quote from memory?
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>>91733216
im a disabled recovering fatty, i will never get laid in my life.
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>>91733240
THIS A REBELLION INNINT?

OI FOOKIN REBEL!
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>>91733192
i mean, i dont see why you'd have a problem watching them, they're not that bad at all, plenty of great stuff in fact.

But sure, we have a cytube and watch Star Wars together sometimes.

>>91733240
>LOIES. DECEPSHUNZ.
>Rebellions are built on hope.
>We'll take our chance... And the next... Until we win, or our chances are spent.
>Careful not to choke on your aspirations, director.
>[Chopper noises]
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>go to SWCO
>wait in line 10 hours to get into 40th anniversary panel
>they cut the line at my friend and I
>go outside
>find some rando
>ask him if he wants to buy our tickets

easiest $200 I ever made. Galactic Nights was good tho and made the trip worth it.
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>>91733240
THE CAPTAIN SAYS YOU ARE A FRIEND

I WILL NOT KILL YOU
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>>91733318
*interview intensifies*
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>>91733240
WE STAND IN THE MIDST OF MY ACCOMPLISHMENTS NOT YOURS
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>>91733240
Corvette five, locked on target.
Prepare for impact.
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>>91732886
>>91732913
>>91732968
Why is Ashley so cute?
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>>91733240
ARE WE BLIND?

DEPLOY THE GARRISON
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>Dress like Twi'lek
>Jiggle your boobs in front of Jabba statue at Celebration
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*corrupts thread*
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>>91733252
Go to a dominatrix. There are people you can pay for this.
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>>91733240
>Well, we have to start somewhere.
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>>91733499
and Rian Johnson says a scar across the bridge of your nose looks "silly".
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>>91732968
CUTE
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>>91733240
BOOGALEH
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>>91733014
Jesus Christ could you find a more stereotypical feminazi? Her face just screams, "I AM GOING TO DIE ALONE SURROUNDED BY CATS AND SAPPY DYKE LITERATURE."

>/co/mblr will defend this
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>>91733494
>dress like Jabba
>juggle your boobs in front of a twi'lek statue
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>>91733581
She doesnt have an undercut so she could be more stereotypical
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>>91733240

>LIES
>DECEPTION
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>>91733532
That one looks fine because its clearly a claw mark from some giant paw that scratched his face up
A lightsaber cut that somehow went around the eye and up the nose doesn't make a lot of sense. Its not like a plasma blade would follow that path, it would just cut into the skin and burn right through
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>>91733240
Don't choke on your aspirations.
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>>91733581
How bored are you?
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>>91733581
She's not shown any feminazi views at all, in the years of her being a social media representative of the franchise.

Also, she has a boyfriend.
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LAAAUUUUUUUUNNNCHHHHHHH
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>>91732876
This is one of the worst things by far in canon. Doesn't make sense at all and only exists to justify the shitty reboot of the status quo.
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>>91733518
You called?
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>>91733581
>>>>/r9k/
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>>91733240

>It's power to create problems has certainly been confirmed. A city destroyed. An imperial facility openly attacked!
>It was Governor Tarkin who suggested the the test.
>You were not summoned her to grovel, Director Krennic.
>No, it's-
>There is no Death Star. The Senate has been informed that Jedha was destroyed in a mining disaster.
>yesmylord.
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>>91733841
This whole scene was stupid and made no sense.
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>>91733240

"Your father would be proud of you Jyn."
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>>91733240
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>>91733866
Not an argument
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>>91733581
t. Anthony Carboni
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>>91733959
I met Anthony Carboni last week at Disney World. He was nice.
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>>91733494
she did that?
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>>91732766
But she's drinking our tears. How is she our girl?
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>>91733841
>There is no Death Star.

How the fuck does Darth Vader not know about the Death Star? He watched it get built.
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>>91734058
Filoni causes those tears, but he is still /ourguy/
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>>91733943
We were having an argument?
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>>91733727
With all the snowflakes we have right now, it's not so far fetched to think they'll somehow make it happen one day. Zero military, I mean.
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>>91733866

It was there mostly for the fandom, and likely also because Gareth and the production wanted to blow their wads for making a movie that had Darth Vader in it.

But in universe it was basically Krennic answering to the one guy who had a direct line to the Emperor because he was busy with dismantling the Senate. It's almost kinda beautiful if you think about it. He trolled Krennic by having him answer to basically a secretary for the situation, and he trolled Vader by making him the secretary of the situation. Sheev sleeved two of his high ranking minions simultaneously in one event.
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>>91733697
/co/ has been dogshit all day, did you expect anything less?
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>>91733727
Blame JJ.
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>>91734079
Not sure if you're serious or not. If you are, do you...understand context? Of course he knows about it. But Death Star was still a secret weapon by then. No one in the Senate and the public should know about it until it's fully functionnal. Hence Vader's comment.
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>>91734163
>Not sure if you're serious or not.

He's not serious. It's low-grade shitposting.
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>>91733499
*Removing Corruption*
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>>91734058
This. She's clearly a feminazi cunt out to destroy Star Wars like Kathleen Kennedy.
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What the fuck was his problem?
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>>91734108
>It was there mostly for the fandom

Why is that a good thing? It's not.
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>>91734270
OI
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will he show up in rebels?
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>>91734278
BOSSK
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>>91734278
NOT AGAIN DENGAR
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>>91734284
Would be great, I'm quite fond of his character, but I kind of doubt it.
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>>91734270
There's absolutely no problem with Bossk.
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>>91734284
Not in the middle enough
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>>91734284
>AGE 26

Jesus Christ.
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>>91734277

I was telling you why it was there. Not whether it was good or bad.
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>>91734270
What problem?
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>>91734270
Who the fuck was his girlfriend?
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>>91734357
Ezra.
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>>91734298
WHO'S
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>>91734284

Probably, but in a minor capacity I imagine. There will probably be a Fulcrum transmission and then Dave or Pablo will probably say later in the Recon that it was Cassian.
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>>91734323
Fighting Battle Droids from the age of 6 will do that to you.
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>>91734357
In the context of the actual quote, Dengar was teasing Bossk about walking into a bar with Ventress
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>>91733240
I could probably do the whole krennic/vader dialogue because Rogue One was like Rebels Season 2 to me. I'm just here for Vader, and I'll sit through the rebels doing rebel things but that doesn't nearly interest me as much asDarth Vader
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>>91734394
>Cassian Andor
>Fighting Battle Droids
you fool
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>>91734461
>you fool
I've been trained in your Jedi arts by Count Dooku
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>>91734013
Fuck off Carboni
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>>91732876
It makes sense that she would come to that conclusion after the entire galaxy had basically been at war since the Clone Wars.

Fun fact: Just because a fictional character does something doesn't mean the person who made them thinks it's the right thing to do.
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>>91733581
I can't imagine how bitter and resentful you must be to look at someone's face and have THAT be your reaction.
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>>91734277
T.autism
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>>91734284
I bet he will. Same with K2. People like those two a lot and I bet Diego and Alan would be happy to come back for it. It'd probably be a filler episode but you need those occasionally.
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>>91732968
Fixed
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>>91733240
>"Rogue One, may the Force be with you"
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>boba argument last thread
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>>91733240
"Are we Blind, Deploy the Garrison!"

also

"Did you know that wasn't me?"
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So... What do you guys think they have in store for Luke that's enough to Mark Hamill to low-key voice his displeasure every change he gets?
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>>91734734
>not Brazzers in aurebesh
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>>91733240
Blue Leader Standing by
Gold Leader Standing by
Red Leader Standing by
Cham Syndula Standing by
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>>91734865
>"Did you know that wasn't me?"
LOL SO RANDUMB XD!!!11!11
Seriously though, I didn't like the character but I did like that line
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>>91733240
>Be careful not to get too ambitious and choke, Mr. Krennic
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>>91734900
Instead of flips and lightsabers and shit he'll just be the wise mentor figure of the movie.
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>>91734917
Fuck that would have been perfect. I don't know if my m$paint skills are strong enough to make that tho
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>>91734917
>>91734963
Gib me 5 minutes
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>>91735007
standing by
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>>91734900
I think he probably hates the "started a new Jedi order only for it to get killed off and now he's back to being the last Jedi again, only with more depression"
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>>91734923
theyre called the ghost crew because theyre all dead by rogue one
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>>91733411
because she is genuinely happy to be involved in star wars and it shows
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this is a better thread so far, let's learn from our mistakes this time around
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>>91735445
Nice work anon. Fuckin' saved
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>>91735445

Very nice.
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>>91735445
superb
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>>91735445
Do you have the logo by itself too
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>>91735445
what is brazzers anyway
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>>91735510
Nigga just cut and paste that shit
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>>91735519
Anon your gender is showing
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>>91735519
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>>91735510
Go nuts friendo
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>>91734246
>german
>hasn't captured bonadan yet

Cringe
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>>91734270
FUCK WOOKIES.
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>>91735563
Thanks, I'll put it to good use in the future
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If the phantom hadn't been a shit film would people still reject the way it looks visually? I'm talking design wise and ignoring the usual shitting on cgi.
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>>91735563
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>>91735680
I dunno but I thought Billy Zane did an alright job given the material he had to work with
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>>91735680
The what?
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>>91735445
Sheeeit
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>>91735701
>twi'lek in clone trooper crop top armor
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>>91735680
oh fuck, i meant the the phantom menace
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>>91734284
>tfw no Dark Forces style game with Cassian and K2
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>>91735701
doing god's work
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>>91733240
I am one with the Force and the Force is with me. I am one with the Force and the Force is with me. I am one with the Force and the Force is with me. I am one with the Force and the Force is with me. I am one with the Force and the Force is with me. I am one with the Force and the Force is with me. I am one with the Force and the Force is with me.
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>>91733411
She just is.
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>>91735805
Last one I promise
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>>91735810
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>>91735519
oh god, it's finally happening
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>>91735732
10/10, anon
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Anyone else hopeful that BF's story will be good considering that it's co-written by the guy who wrote Spec Ops?

Or will it just be about a strong independent sympathetic woman fighting against evil male Rebels?
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>>91735847
>Not Blacked in Aurebesh
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>>91735680
>>91735788
Well you're asking the wrong guy because I quite like the movie.

But visually, TPM has always been critically praised for its visuals. It still has some of the best in the entire franchise. Anybody who denies this is deluded.
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>>91735932
Make it so
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>>91735920
>it's co-written by the guy who wrote Spec Ops?
I have a painful feeling it will be a whole "fascism is BAD" message. Not saying Fascism is good or bad but Spec Ops was really heavy handed about messages.
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>>91735887
Is hwat habbenin?
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>>91735979
I'm getting old.
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>>91735920
I think it's gonna be pretty good. There was an LSG member at the Celebration reveal who said that BF2's story is spinning out of Lost Stars/Shattered Empire, and judging by the trailer, the game will be following that general vein of tone and action. I think it will be pretty good.

The fact that they already confirmed a playable Luke mission has sold me already.

>one of the only canon stories of Luke being a true Jedi
>And you get to fucking PLAY it

Only a fool would pass it up.
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>>91736002
>There was an LSG member at the Celebration reveal who said that BF2's story is spinning out of Lost Stars/Shattered Empire,
>mission is to recover Ciena's wrecked TIE
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Is there a Star Wars girl better than Ashley?
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>>91736106
Carrie because she actually fucked fans
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>>91736066
I'd love that.

They showed this shot of Jakku in the trailer

>that falling Star Destroyer
Looks exactly like the Lost Stars cover art. Coincidence?

Either way, I am excited.
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>going through my old star wars toys looking for all my old clones and mangos
>find these
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>>91735942
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>>91736144
I'm gonna need a citation for that, preferably in the form of photographic and/or video evidence.
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>>91736106
Jenny Nicholson

even though she likes pastel-colored miniature horses
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>>91736195
Your letters are backwards m8
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>>91736195
>Poor Little Scoundrel Boy
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>>91735445
How can she be so cute?
isn´t she old?
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>>91736173
You actually got me thinking with new canon they made Endor very chaotic. You had Blade Squadron fucking shit up, Sloan losing her shit on ISB, Thane straight up not giving a fuck, Ciena going ham and Poe's mom wrecking everything. BF could give a face to all this chaos.
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>>91736251
either I somehow managed to screw up installing a font or the font was wrong
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>>91736339
They're in order, just reversed,. Probably the font.
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>>91736308
They already did, kind of.

Battlefront 2015 had free DLC set on Endor after ROTJ, where the forest is partially on fire, and there's a huge crashed ship in the distance with its shields flaring on and off.

Was one of the more spectacular things from that game. Hopefully they'll revisit the idea in the BF2 story.
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>>91736396
messing with the font, they reverse when I type in caps
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>>91736302
>isn´t she old?

She's only 35. That's technically still young.
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>>91736144
>implying me, Pablo, and a strapon-wearing Andi Gutierrez didn't make Ashley airtight last weekend in Orlando
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>>91736195
Good work
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>>91736308
I like the new Endor stuff. It's more ''believable''. In the EU they just go away to fight soul stealing dinosaurs.
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>>91736302
If you're like, in the 3rd grade, then yeah she must seem old.
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>>91736233

>spoiler
>implying that's a bad thing
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ARE WE BLIND????
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>>91736687
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>>91736687
Shota anon. No.
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>>91736687
How old do you think you have to be to be a teacher?
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>>91736744
he is too old to begin the training.
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>>91736483
Almost twice my age
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>>91736687
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>>91736798
Like 40.
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>>91736687
What are you doing, anon?
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>>91736849
I think 22 is the bare minimum.
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>>91736817
So? My girlfriend is 10 years older than me
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>>91736687
You uh are aware you need to be 18 to post here right?
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>>91736687
It's a good thing /ss/fags already left
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I like rogue one more than ESB
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>>91736687
>inb4 SS fag comes in here and tries to erp with a real little boy like he did last time (WHICH IS EXTREMELY FUCKING ILLEGAL BY THE WAY)
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Added a major one for ESB.
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>>91736687
Hello, young man.
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>>91736687
BAN'D
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>>91736869
I had a teacher in high school who was 23, fresh out of college.

All he ever wanted to do was be a teacher. By the time I graduated, he had quit.
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>>91736687
My shota senses are tingling.
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>>91736687
Hello there
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>>91736899
Me too, but I don't want to get into any arguments about it
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Would you worship Ashley's feet after a brisk jog?
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>>91736949
He can go teach English and hang out with sexpats. That is where the real money is.
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>>91736936
Please don't. There is a real chance that this is an actual child and you're attempting to even jokingly try and talk with him in an erotic manner which is at the worst illegal in some form or at the least extremely fucking creepy like going up to a little girl saying shit like "Hey sweetheart wanna sit in my lap? I would love to feel your skin honey."

This thread doesn't need your pedophile garbage.
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>>91736936
>>91736988
>>91736994
spoke too soon
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>>91736949
Happens a lot these days. Each generation just gets worse.
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>>91736881
I hope shes not twice your age
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>>91736943
It's in the rules. You get banned for admitting you're not 18.
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I refuse to believe a middle schooler made it to this hellhole.
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>>91737033
I was just havin a giggle m8, I wasn't going to take it any further

This website is for 18+, only a fool would believe shota anon is real (even if its funny to pretend IMO, shota anon led to some funny shit last year)

The only reason I posted at all was because people pointed out that /ss/fags hadn't posted yet. I had to go and google her because I never even had any pictures of her
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>>91737081
I wouldn't be surprised at all if a ton of people on 4chan are middle-schoolers. Most are smart enough not to say it, though.
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>>91737081
You do realize this is one of the most popular websites right? Plus the edgy reputation attracts kids. I first found this website when I was like 11.
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>>91737097
>I had to go and google her because I never even had any pictures of her

Ah, so you're just a newfag?
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>>91737141
Nope, been here since TCW season 5. My Star Wars folder is 3GB big, but I somehow didnt have any pictures of /ss/ (even though I quite like her)
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>>91737119
Most of 'em tend to hang out around either /v/, /b/, or /pol/. They want to be part of the ebin ma may culture.
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>>91737081
I started in 9th grade.
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Have any anons here actually purchased any of Ashley's designs for their girlfriends?
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>>91737081
Moot made this shithole when he was 13 dude
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>>91737081
Came here when I was like 14. Was not once accused of being a newfag ever. I tried to stay polite, and only posted sparingly.

I told my friend about the website, who was obnoxiously loud about it in public, leading to some autist shouting about me about how he could DDOS me if he wanted.

I lurked for over a year because I was scared I would be hacked (I think this is a good thing, newfags would be a lot less obnoxious if they lurked moar)

It's been 3 years since I could actually post here legally. Where the fuck did the time go.
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>>91737217
>girlfriends
You're funny a guy anon. Real fucking funny.
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>>91737264
What? You don't have a girlfriend?
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>>91737141
>Ah, so you're just a newfag?
so not having shit taste in waifus makes you a newfag now?
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>>91737272
We're a general made up of autists. I'd reckon only a small percentage of us have girlfriends.
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>>91737217
Haven't had a girlfriend in years. As if I cared.
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>>91737334
But I'm always assured by the people in this thread that the only autism comes from /tv/ and without them this thread is always 100% great quality good times.
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>>91737334
The trick is to find out what kind of autism a girl has.

They're not so different when you break them down to science. But lets stop this is NOT /r9k/
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>>91737375
There is bad autism, and there is fun autism. It really just depends on what you focus your autism on.
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>>91737236
>Moot made this shithole when he was 13 dude

15, actually. 4chan was born in 2003. He was 15 then.
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How many padawans and clones did Shaak Ti molest?
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>>91737491
wh-whats your f-favorite star wars m-movie, anon?
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>>91737491
>How do you know I'm not 18 and I didn't just flunk a bunch of times?

If it was that bad I think you'd either not have the intellectual sophistication to post on the internet. Or you'd have a serious disciplinary problem.

Either way, no body who can't make it past middle school would still be there by the time they're 18. You'd either be in a school for retards, or juvie/grownup prison.
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>>91737491
>How do you know I'm not 18 and I didn't just flunk a bunch of times?
Because you'd be to embarrassed to admit you failed seventh grade six times.
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>>91737491
See you in five years kiddo.
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>>91737599
Well, they could be retarded...
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>>91733727
Really? I think it's perfectly fine and in character enough to justify it.
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>>91733240

SAVE THE REBELLION....


SAVE THE DREAM!
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>>91737543
Revenge of the Sith or Return of the Jedi, I can't decide.
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>>91732766

Man, I welcome female protagonists but when people do that LOL UR TEARS XD shit I wish they'd change their minds.
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>>91733841
desu this scene should've been with Sheev and Vader should've been saved for the final scene. He's not necessary for this scene at all and I get that they wanted to use the same costume design as A New Hope for continuity which I respect but it honestly looked like such shit in this scene. Plus James Earl Jones' voice is either just not up to par anymore or they fucked up the filtering of it, but it sounded noticeably off to the point where my dad asked me if JEJ was dead because it sounded like a different actor.

Plus imagine if the hallway scene was the first time we see Vader in the film? It'd have made that scene 10x better.
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>>91734277

Why is it a bad thing?

Why the fuck can't some of you autists just enjoy a fucking movie for once?
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>>91734323
Isn't Jyn supposed to be 20 and Rey supposed to be 19?

neither of them look that age, especially considering Felicity Jones is in her 30s
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>>91737491
Farewell, shotanon. May we never see you again.
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>>91734270

Other than having a hate bonerfor Wookiees, Bossk seems like a pretty chill guy.
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>>91734900
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quomfw84ufA

he talks the same way about George that he does about JJ and Rian if you remove the context like all those videos have.
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>>91737713
>Implying you won't still be here when he gets legally unbanned
I know I will
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>>91735935

>I quite like the movie.

My nigga.

It's my favorite of the prequels.
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>>91737751
We need a Sheev version of this.
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>I missed an underage kid

Anyone got screen caps of what he said? I'm curious based on the replies. I don't see blatantly underage posters often
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>shotanon was real
>anons were actually flirting with him as /ss/ posters
Bruh.
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>>91737720
>Other than having a hate bonerfor Wookiees, Bossk seems like a pretty chill guy.

Is the hateboner for wookies even a thing with him anymore? I thought that was EU. I seem to recall him being pretty not-triggered around Krrsantan if I'm remembering correctly.
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>>91737773
Goddammit forgot pic.
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EC characters you want to see in an anthology movie?
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>>91737697
>Why the fuck can't some of you autists just enjoy a fucking movie for once?

Because I tend to prefer good movies. Why don't you?
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>>91737819
Clearly you don't.
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>>91735935
Oh yeah TPM by far is the best looking prequel, but that might be because of the 1080p shot/reverse-shot (>inb4 RLM shill) that bogged down the following 2 films

on just visuals alone:
>ESB (obviously it looks objectively dated but it blows my mind that it came out in fucking 1980, it looks timeless in most of the non-CGI scenes)
>RO
>TFA
>TPM
>ANH
>ROTS
>ROTJ
>AOTC

Return of the Jedi is such a fucking drop in quality. This thread has a lot of comparisons to how downhill the cinematography went from ESB to ROTJ:
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=262012
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>>91737543
>>91737657
>favorite SW movie
>RotS or RotJ
Did Shotanon have good taste?
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>>91737803
EC?
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Can I post?
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>>91737778
Just check the desu.
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>>91737864
I think it's extended canon. I have heard that term thrown around /tv/ but never here for some reason

>>91737879
No
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>>91737879
Depends. are you another shotanon?
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>>91737879
>>91737895
>>91737902
You guys kept saying I was gonna get banned and I'm right here.
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>>91737930
WTF mods...
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>>91737787
This is like the third time it's happened. What did you expect?
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>>91737787
ssfags need to be decapitated just like their shitty waifu.
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>>91737895

Probably because /swco/ doesn't believe in using such a term. There's just canon or non-canon.
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>>91737683
They just wanted to have a scene where the lowly underlying grovels before the real big bad in his big scary evil fortress surrounded by lava but we supposedly to keep being reminded that Star Wars is a fantasy film
Also I don't understand why Vader would spend his time chilling on the planet where he pretty much killed his wife by breaking her heart/choking her to death and also where he lost all his Limbs and was set alight. There's also the issue that he has to wear his thick leather space armour life support suit on a planet entirely covered in lava
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>>91738008
I think it's fine. It's a quick way to differentiate between the legends EU and the new "EC". Plus, there really isn't a way to describe the books, comics, and other non movie canon without grouping the movies in with them too
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ST is not canon
>>
/OUR
GUY/

https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/855582704280129536
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>>91738038
>Plus, there really isn't a way to describe the books, comics, and other non movie canon without grouping the movies in with them too

Because there shouldn't have to be. The movies should be grouped in with them.
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>>91737803
Isn't that the lady from Crystal Skull for a moment I thought that was a Pryce cosplay
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>>91738013
>Also I don't understand why Vader would spend his time chilling on the planet where he pretty much killed his wife by breaking her heart/choking her to death and also where he lost all his Limbs and was set alight
To remind him. Vader uses his pain to fuel his rage. The more he thinks about that day, the more bitter he becomes with each passing day, and the deeper he sinks into the Dark Side. Vader's anger and devotion to the Empire were the only things kept him going, until Luke showed up.
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>>91738094
Got news for ya
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>>91738038
>Plus, there really isn't a way to describe the books, comics, and other non movie canon without grouping the movies in with them too
Yes there is one, CANON. Please don't be an "only the movies are canon" anon.
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>>91738098
>>91737803 this is a perfect example of a situation where you might need to reference them without the films.

If he just said "star wars canon characters" people could have easily replied with Bosk, Watto, etc. Without knowing what he actually wanted
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>>91738099
Yea it is. Looks just like her though, doesn't it?
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>>91738097
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>>91738008

The official terms are "Canon" and "Legends"
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>>91738134
I would never be. But I think it's necessary to have a term separating non-movie material when it's necessary
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>>91738150

No, they/we would've replied with characters who exist in all canon materials. Not just the films.
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>>91738187
the actual official terms are "aspergers" and "autism"
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>>91738192
Lucasfilm disagrees.

It's just "Canon".

Leeland Chee used to have Canon tiers, and the term "Expanded Universe" to acknowledge non-movie stuff, but that is completely scrapped now.

If something is Canon, then it's canon, there's not really any need for more terms.
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>>91738205
But if the OP didn't want to include movie characters, than there would be a clear missunderstanding.

What is the big deal? It's literally the same thing but with the word "extended" Infront of it
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>>91738097
based Rian
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>>91738187

I don't think Freemaker Adventures (which isn't canon) qualifies as Legends material given that it was made after Legends was established. 'Canon' and 'non-canon' are the more accurate phrasing. Legends is just a category of non-canon.
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>>91738265
The EU contradicted itself 27 times to Sunday, anything non-canon might as well be lumped into the same category. Legends is just the fancy word for non-canon.
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>>91738245
>It's literally the same thing but with the word "extended" Infront of it

Because then it implies a kind of lack of legitimacy and denotes it to being regarded as 'less than' the films. Which it isn't. All canon materials apart from the films are equal to them. Keeping it all in one term reinforces this. Otherwise it might as well be another EU.
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>>91738038
The purpose of the canon reboot was to streamline it and make every bit of Star Wars as canon as everything else. There are no more "tiers". The original six movies are on equal level as all of the cartoons, books, comics, and everything in between.
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>>91738097
Still not denying it'll be a rehash of esb
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Personally I'm glad the canon is the way it is now. Even when I was younger I wasn't sure how to categorize the EU because it was hard for me to imagine it taking place in exactly the same universe as the movies, especially since the EU was kind of like the Wild West where anyone could tell the Star Wars story they wanted and get it published. I just accepted the EU as something standalone. Like, there was no way I was ever ready to believe Han and Chewie fought a bunch of zombie Stormtroopers like a year before A New Hope took place.
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>>91738305
>Legends is just the fancy word for non-canon.

Legends is a sub-devision of non-canon as it is basically a re-name of the EU. Any non-canon materials produced after George dictated the EU as Legends is just simply non-canon.

See Freemaker Adventures and Force Arena. Neither are part of Legends, but are clearly non-canon.
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>>91733240
>Save the rebellion. Save the dream
>Get me a hammerhead corvette!
>LIES, DECEPTIONS!
>Be careful not to choke on your aspirations... Director
>I am one with the Force and the Force is with me
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>>91738461
Canon today is how I always wanted the EU to be. Hell, it's how everyone wanted the EU to be.

If I told 10-year-old me that characters in the cartoons and comics I was reading were going to show up in a new Star Wars movie, I would have shit my pants
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>>91738447
https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/724717081804050432

>For the record, the NYT could print a rumor that the opening crawl will be yellow & I wouldn't confirm/deny.
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>>91733240
"Does he look like a killer?"
"No, he looks like a friend."
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>>91733240
>Don't choke on your aspirations, director.
>ARE WE BLIND? DEPLOY THE GARRISON
>It's not a problem if you don't look up.
>Does he look like a killer? No, he has the face of a friend.
>Are you kidding me? I'm blind.
>I'm one with the force and the force is with me.
I think I might be able to rewrite the script from memory actually.
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>>91738097
Rian is just damage controlling, he has absolutely no control when Disney is calling all the shots.
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>>91738582
Lemme guess, you're the same guy who said Filoni was lying about finishing Rebels too
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>>91738596
No?
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>>91738623
Alright.
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>>91733240
I am the force and the force is with me.

Is probably one of the most quotable lines of the entire saga.
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>>91738685
40 years and 8 Star Wars films and you think that's one of the most quotable lines of the entire saga?

and isn't it "I am one with the force" not "I am the force"?
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>>91733316
>easiest $200 I ever made
>sat in line for 10 hours
That's only decent money, anon.
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>>91738008

Nucanon and EU you fucking shill.
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>>91738745
Not that anon, but the correct quote is definitely up there in the people's collective conscious now.
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>>91738765
*Canon and *Legends, sorry if this triggers you
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>>91738685
You're only saying that because he said it over and over and over in multiple scenes. If he only said it once nobody would remember it.
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>>91738745
>and isn't it "I am one with the force" not "I am the force"?
It sure is. I was even thinking that, but I mistyped that.

And yes, I think it's one of the most quotable lines, because it's designed to be. It's basically an intentional rehash of "may the force be with you." It's a phrase perfect for quoting because it doesn't need context, and it was said like a hundred times in the movie.

Nothing will ever reach "may the force be with you" or "I am your father," but I think this one will stick around a lot longer than anything from the PT, despite the recent uptick in prequel memes.

That's not an anti-prequel post, btw. I just can't think of anything as blatantly memetic as the RO quote.
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>>91738765

maybe 1 out of 20 people in /swco/ use 'nucanon' (why I don't know. It's not catching). On the whole, everyone just says canon.
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>>91738798
And if no one had ever said "may the force be with you" no one would remember it.

What's your point?
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>I have complete creative control
>puts in a Hoth rehash scene

What did Rian mean by this
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>>91738798
Not an argument. "May the force be with you" was said multiple times throughout the franchise.
On top of that, the phrase isn't just something he says, it has meaning. Especially in his death scene. And the scene right after.
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>>91738853
I suspect the first act of the movie will be an ESB homage, Luke training Rey, while the Resistance is attacked by the Walkers.

But then shit is gonna get flip-turned-upside-down and the rest of the movie will be Rian's wild ride, some actual new steps in the franchise.

I don't think anybody could be retarded enough to remake ESB after the criticisms of TFA.
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>>91738918
>I don't think anybody could be retarded enough to remake ESB after the criticisms of TFA.

You have to be tone fucking deaf to even make a teaser implying it is.
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>>91738820
I feel like every other line in ANH and ESB (especially ANH) is so deeply etched into our culture that there's no point trying to compete with that. That line in RO felt like an attempt in recapturing that and that's why it's repeated so many times. I really wish they gave up trying to force new quotes to become popular like "may the force be with you" has and just let it happen on its own.

But then again with modern meme culture I don't think any film stands a chance in general at having that sort of effect. Like, when the most quoted scene of the last 5 years is the TDKR plane scene you know times have changed.
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>>91738918
>Luke training Rey
This is going to happen no matter what.
And people are still gonna complain about it.
I bet it'll be the only similarity with ESB. But it literally has to happen.
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>>91738941
Luke training Rey was a given, and there was one single shot of some Walkers (lets face it, they were gonna be in the ST somewhere)

I don't think that's enough to write off the entire movie as an ESB rip-off.

I think once the first act is done, the movie is probably going to take a very different direction
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>>91738979
>I bet it'll be the only similarity with ESB.

Outside those walkers.

And Finn meeting a dude in a fun cape on a fancy opulent city.
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>>91738983

And I'm not willing to give Johnson the benefit of the doubt. I gave Abrams the benefit of the doubt, despite many people telling me not to. I'm not going to get burned again.
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>>91738596
Filoni is finishing Rebels. To the best of his ability under the constraints of cancellation with a smaller number of episodes to do it in. Fucking dumbshit.
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>>91738941
Did anyone know that TFA was going to be pretty much a remake of ANH from the teaser trailer alone? Or even the 2nd trailer? Not counting people who followed leaks, I don't think it was until we saw Starkiller Base on the poster that it dawned on everyone that it might have the same plot as ANH.

I don't think there are any scenes in the TLJ teaser that take place after the first act, save for maybe the shots of Rey and Kylo Ren with their lightsabers out at night, which probably take place in the 2nd act.

And none of the leaks or rumors about TLJ make it seem like a remake of ESB the same way TFA was a remake ANH. If anything it sounded a lot weirder and different, which is the opposite of what the teaser showed. Even the scene where we got the spy pics of Dubrovonik with all the aliens in tuxedos was left out of the teaser. And nothing about BDT or Laura Dern.
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@91739009
Oh hello again
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>>91739032

That's the point. TFA at least TRIED to look new and original to some extent. TLJ isn't even that.
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>>91738528
>Implying this is a new thing
>Who is Aayla Secura?
>Who is General Grievous?
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>>91739059
THAT MEDICAL FRIGATE'S NOT GONNA LAST VERY LONG
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>>91739092
>*snaps at the little neck part*
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>>91739092
THAT MEDICAL FRIGATES GONNA BLOW
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>>91739059
FUCK OFFFFFF REEEEEE THIS TARGETTING COMPUTER IS FUCKING SHIT I CANT FIND THE LAST TIE BOMBER
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>>91739007
>Everyone constantly talking about how TFA is a return to classic Star Wars from the moment production starts
>Everyone constantly talking about how Rian Johnson is taking Episode 8 in a new and weird direction and how different it's going to be from the moment production starts

It's one thing to have no faith in Treverrow after Jurassic World but Rian Johnson was getting nonstop praise from people working on the film with emphasis on how different it's going to be. I don't know why you expected JJ Abrams to come up with something new when literally every film he's made has either been a reboot, remake, or homage.

>inb4 but Mark Hamill blinked "it's gonna suck" in morse code last week!
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>>91739085
Ok, you got me, sort of, but;

>Who is Aayla Secura?
Lucas only put her in for her design that he saw in a portrait, he liked her

>Who is General Grievous?
Completely different character to the guy that showed up in the 2003 cartoon

It's not the same as having actual canon stories, you know? But I admit that yes, to a much, much smaller extent, there was some acknowledgement of the EU in the prequels.
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I don't know why everyone is saying the Crait battle looks like a Hoth rip-off.

Crait is a salt planet, not a snow planet.
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>>91739085
Grievous is a case of an EU outlet getting to use him first, though. He was already revealed as an upcoming villain in Episode 3 even before his appearance in Clone Wars.
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>>91732766
>Fuck the fanbase n sheit.
d r o p p e d
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>>91738849
We must dissent

But seriously, corvettes are underrated. Bigger than a fighter, smaller than a cruiser, just the right size for a comfy military ship. I hope we see smaller ships get play in the TLJ space battle, not just Star Destroyers and StarHawks
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>>91739075
>TFA at least TRIED to look new and original to some extent.

Not really. It tried to look as OT as it possibly could. And it failed. The things it tried to do the same were shit, and the things it tried to do different were shit. That's probably why Rogue One looked as good as it did. It looked more like a Star Wars saga film than TFA did. It's like they took what JJ did and said 'That, let's not do those things', because Rogue One did all the same shit right, and all the different shit right.
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>>91739075
anon I think they're keeping some of the new stuff close to their chest, at least until the theatrical trailer

I wasn't impressed by the TLJ teaser either but I still have faith since we know about a lot of new stuff they didn't show in the trailer like pic related
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>>91739085
>>Who is General Grievous?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBOoZ5Tuh2o
you fool
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>>91739185
Is that a real horse they put funny ears on or is it an actual prop they made?
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>>91739118

It's not that Johnson hasn't been saying stuff, but then you have to remember Driver invoking ESB before hurriedly backtracking.

You can say that he's just that good but I won't buy it. It took fucking weeks for people saying TFA wasn't that good to get any real traction, and months for the opinion to become widespread even as a minority opinion. Even if the movie is the worst in Rian's career people will be so desperate for a good Star Wars movie it'll probably be a year until people say that.
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>>91739150
cuz rebels vs what looks like AT-ATs

I don't think it'll be like Hoth at all in the finished movie and I'm super tired of seeing the "ESB rehash!" argument on here over at over but the trailer really made it look like Hoth 2.0

I'm pretty sure there was an interview with Rian afterwards where he even said that it's not like Hoth but the circlejerk was too strong and people either forgot about it or never saw it. I'm gonna go look for it, I remember seeing it but I could be mistaken
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>>91739135
>Completely different character to the guy that showed up in the 2003 cartoon

Not only that, but Greivous was created by Lucas. The movie version has always been the true version. The gennedy version was just looking at film concepts and not knowing much about the character beyond that he's a bad guy cyborg that uses lightsabers.
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>>91739150
It's the imagery of airspeeders shooting towards a cluster of walkers on a pure-white planet.
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>>91739230
yes they had a giraffe fuck a horse so they could get a combo with long legs but a short neck and then they stuck silly ears on it
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>>91739245
The AT-ATs are the Empire's main battle vehicle. Any large scale ground op the Empire or First Order takes will involve them.
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>>91732766

>FANBOY TEARS

Can someone explain to me why this exist? Showing complete contempt over your fanbase has never been a good thing and never lead to anything good either, being so smug and even proud of it makes it even worse, the level-headed people that supported you might end up thingking you aren't mature enough to handle backlash and the people that hated you will only have more reason to do so, so why would anyone do this?
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>>91739299
>my first attempt to bait didn't work, let me try it again
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>>91738948
My Star Wars waifu.
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>>91739287
Re-read my post, I don't think it looks like a Hoth rehash but I was explaining why people think it does.

Although you'd think after 30 years they'd look a little different but everything in the new movies looks like it's only been 5 years since ROTJ
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>>91739178

I wasn't wowed by Rogue One either. I'm probably being a bit too harsh on it due to bitterness admittedly, but it's just not that great a film to me. It was an overly large cast of thinly developed characters redeemed only by a spacebattle that by the end went too far in the other way(And feasible or not, you have to admit the ramming was fucking ridiculous).

I think people were just doing the same thing all over again. TFA was so disappointing when the hype wore off that they latched onto a movie that was better but not really great. Once that hype inevitably wears off people will latch on to Last Jedi because there's a fucking desperation in the public consciousness that this thing people grew up with not end on a bad note.
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>>91735448
I wasn't aware star destroyers could operate in-atmosphere like that.
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Does anyone else get bored by space battles?
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>>91739313
the ships look completely different and the walker silhouettes are very different
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super off topic but I just saw this thread on TFN:
http://boards.theforce.net/threads/lord-of-the-rings-music-gosh-i-love-it.4526505/page-4

what the fuck happened to film scores in the past decade? In the span of 2 years we got TPM, AOTC, the first 2 LOTR scores, the first 2 Harry Potter scores, and probably a ton of others that I'm forgetting

I can't think of any films in the last 10 years that come anywhere close to those soundtracks. Baffling to me, especially considering that John Williams and Howard Shore are still alive and working.
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>>91739363

Not personally, they're my favorite part.

I think a big part of the issue is that the space battles as they appear in most media are kind of repetitive. There's no real emphasis on wider tactics so much as things zooming around.
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>>91733240
>ARE WE BLIND DEPLOY THE GARRISON
>MY ACHIVEMENT, NOT YOURS
>Oh, there's Lyra, back from the dead
>Trust goes both ways

Tons more. I only saw it twice too
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>>91739363
Dice, if you don't have Droidekas in BF2 I swear to fucking god.

And no skimping out on the Hailfire Gunship either.

Get to it, you only have a few months left.
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>>91739395
I really liked Man of Steel's music
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>>91739363
The Battle of Scarif proved to me that Star Wars space battles can still be new and interesting.
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>>91739385

Yeah, they look like B Wings.

That's the thing, the only things that aren't 8 retreads are 9 retreads. It's like saying this isn't a rehash because the A wings show up a film early.
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>>91739385
nigga stop wasting your time arguing with someone who agrees with you god damn

>>91739363
everyone says the space battle in RO was the best in the series and I guess from a visual standpoint yeah, but there's literally no one on either side that we care about fighting in that battle. I'm pretty sure the only character we even know is Raddus, everyone else is on the ground. I never understood why they kept cutting to the space battle when none of the people fighting in it were introduced.
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>>91739357
Well now you know
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>>91739451
>but there's literally no one on either side that we care about fighting in that battle

> he's a characterfag
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>>91739451

They wanted to show off their new VFX toy and justify the money they spent farming effects and layouts out to third parties.
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>>91739395
>"I did think LOTR music was alright, but if it even gets an oscar nom, I will be flabergasted."

lel
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>>91739307

Im not who you thing i am, i don't even know who is the person in OPs pic, i saw the mug and i wanted to ask that question in general, not just this particular case, knowing how fanbases are and knowing how annoying fanboys can be, why fan the flames and expose yourself like that just to give the middle finger to the people buying your shit? Its not going to end well.
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Hoth is the most boring part of the OT and how it can captivate anyone boggles my mind
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>>91739528

Not involved in this discussion, but you aren't wrong.

I mean there isn't really a reason to piss people off unnecessarily.
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who was in the wrong?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2Jn0ZihMgw&feature=youtu.be
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>>91739578
Both are cancer, whoever wins we lose
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>>91738100
That's some dumb shit. Good thing it's only your interpretation and not at all canon.
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>>91739505
>tfw we will never get a 3 hour Star Wars film that's as epic as the LOTR films
>instead we get 2 hours of ADHD nonsense smashed together with nothing memorable except for things reused from the OT or PT

as poor as the pacing was of TPM (especially the scenes on Coruscant holy fuck does that movie slow to a stop) I'd be lying if I said it didn't introduce a ton of memorable characters and places for just being 2 hours and 15 minutes long
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Anyone else find it weird that there's someone with the normal-ass name of Jon Vander in Star Wars?
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>>91737704
American movies m8. It is normal for them to cast a 33 year old as a 15 year old.
Yay America.
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>>91739599
Can you provide a reason as to why it's dumb?
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I like this guy

Is it true he wrote 8 and 9?
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>>91738949
>I feel like every other line in ANH and ESB (especially ANH) is so deeply etched into our culture that there's no point trying to compete with that.
How many lines is that really, though?

>May the force be with you
>I am your father
>Do or do not...
>Never tell me the odds
>I've got a bad feeling about this
>I find your lack of faith disturbing

I'm not sure what else there is. And that's from some of the most famous movies of the past 50 years.

>But then again with modern meme culture I don't think any film stands a chance in general at having that sort of effect. Like, when the most quoted scene of the last 5 years is the TDKR plane scene you know times have changed.
I think you're right, but there are exceptions. TDKR might be meme'd to hell, but a handful of lines from TDK are pretty famous quotes still.

>Why so serious?
>Wanna know how I got these scars?
>Some men just wanna watch the world burn

I think "I am one with the force" could hold up there, to be honest.
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>>91739653
I mean, Rian says that like it's ludicrous, but look at JJ and TFA...

That being said, I have way more faith in Rian.
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>>91738100

Sheev ordered hum to build that castle there.

I shit you not, that's the actual canon reason.
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>>91739505
I wish we could see what Michael Giachinno can do with more than fucking 4 weeks to compose the entire score for a Star Wars film. Rogue One definitely has the weakest score of the films, but taking into consideration how long he had to write the music it's really impressive.

IMO him and Howard Shore are the only composers that I think could replace John Williams when he dies as the composer for Star Wars. I don't think they'd be as good, but they'd definitely come as close as possible to Williams' level compared to anyone else
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>>91739707
>Rogue One definitely has the weakest score of the films

tfa, aotc and tpm besides fates
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>when some street-lothrat steals your jogans

feels bad man
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>>91739696
does Sheev live on Coruscant?

Does he sleep in a bed? Does he sleep at all? Come to think of it I don't think we see any of the OT characters sleep at all outside of being in a bacta tank
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>>91739693

That's the thing though. You have faith. You haven't seen the movie. Faith only goes so far.
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>>91739751
Maybe you should've go around showing off your jogans like that you little slut
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>>91739395
>I can't think of any films in the last 10 years that come anywhere close to those soundtracks
How to Train Your Dragon
How to Train Your Dragon 2
Tron Legacy
Oblivion
James Cameron's AVATAR
Rogue One
The Dark Knight
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>>91738367
>All canon materials apart from the films are equal to them.
They say that to make fans think their favourite stuff is 'important' but be serious here. The films are STILL 'more canon' than anything else and the ongoing films shape the franchise in ways that no side material can.
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>>91739764
YOU MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS EMPIRESCUM
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>>91739758
>does Sheev live on Coruscant?
Not only does he live on Coruscant, he lives in the Jedi Temple
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aotc soundtrack being memorable is a fucking meme. no normie can hum a single theme. I can't even think of one
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>>91739395
There are great non orchestral composers.
>Trent Reznor
>Mac Quayle
>Cliff Martinez
>Junkie XL (he does both)
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>>91739653
Rian wrote 8 and is writing the story treatment for 9
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>>91739796
I dont give a fuck about normies.

Normies can only hum the main theme, and the Impirial march, so by that logic most movies have shit soundtracks.

Anakin's Betrayal is probably the best song in the series and no normie would hum that on the spot
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>>91739742
>aotc and tpm
>weak scores

The entirety of the PT was Williams' best work. The motifs and ambiance pieces were phenomenal across the board.
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>>91739419
I liked the song with the drums
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMvDTVQ4Goc
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>>91739796
You don't remember Across the Stars?

Granted that's literally the only song I can remember from AotC but it's a memorable one for sure.
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>>91739742
>TPM
First off, you can't just say "besides fates" because that alone makes it a top-tier soundtrack.

Secondly, even without that caveat, it's a great score.
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>>91739696
That certainly seems like something Sheev would do. Make him live on the planet where the worst day of his life took place, to remind him of how much of a fuck up he really is.
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>>91739758
>I don't think we see any of the OT characters sleep at all outside of being in a bacta tank
Is Leia laying down when Luke comes to rescue her in ANH? Or am I picturing Spaceballs right now?
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>>91739395
Well they're havent been many big similar fantasy films that are that good. There are lots of good recent scores, just different style stuff. Look at Sicario or The Grand Budapest Hotel. And what about Tron Legacy anon?

Also I quite like the Rogue One score but I think it's much more effective listening to the album, compared to how you hear it when you're seeing the film.
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>>91739813
Oh I don't disagree with you with those guys being great (especially Trent Reznor) but I don't think any of them would fit doing a Star Wars film
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>>91739287
>The AT-ATs are the Empire's main battle vehicle
Aside from Rebels, no. It's a simple troop transport. They Empire is too varied to have a main attack vehicle.
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>>91739779
The difference being that communication is happening such that there won't be a situation where the films NEED to override other canon. They're intentionally staying away from that because they know where the films are going.

In the EU, they could do pretty much whatever they wanted, regardless of what a future film might do to that story. Now, books and comics are only allowed to touch stuff that films won't.

It's like the Marvel TV shows. They're 100% canon, even though they're not as important as the films, and they've been given explicit instructions as to what they have to stay away from.
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>>91739561
I know this is bait but the PT spoiled me with ground battles. The OT is a bit boring with how tame it is.
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>>91739788
>he lives in the Jedi Temple
Some people might think this is dumb, but I think it's classic Sheev. There's just something about taking the home of your hated enemy and making it your own that really add insult to injury. He probably had all the council chairs converted into to toilets.
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>>91739758
>does Sheev live on Coruscant?

Yes. He seldom leaves it.

>Does he sleep in a bed? Does he sleep at all?
Considering how powerful with the Dark Side the Clone War and the Empire has made him, sleep very well might be optional for him and Vader.

>Come to think of it I don't think we see any of the OT characters sleep at all outside of being in a bacta tank
Yes. We've seen it happen at least three times in the PT and a couple times in TCW, once in Rogue One and once in the OT.
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>>91734284
26?? I'm the same age as Cassian but he's a badass rebel spy. End it now, please.
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>>91739742
>TPM and AOTC
>weak scores
People may think the movies are weak but that does not extend to the OST.
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>>91739796
>Confederacy theme
>Across the Stars
>remixed in R1

>no normie can hum a single theme
Do you know how long it can take for some themes to become pop culture hits? You have kids that can hum Jaws but have never seen the movie.
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>>91739758
>>91739931
I could be wrong but I think in the EU we saw Vader asleep in The Lost Command (comic miniseries)
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>>91740026
the Jaws theme is the worst example you could have used considering it's basically 2 notes repeated faster and faster
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>>91740079

That's the EU though. That doesn't count.
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>>91740079
Was he... in the suit still?
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>>91740026
>Confederacy theme
Where?
>Across the Stars
Two similar notes to a completely different piece is hardly a remix.
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You've got ten seconds to tell me how we fix the Star Wars franchise.
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>>91740277
We make everyone gay
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>>91740277
decanonize the EU
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>>91740277
We make everyone futa
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>>91740277
Fire Kathleen Kennedy. 100% the problem.
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>>91740341
>decanonize the EU

That already happened like four or five years ago.

Actually, truth be told, the EU was never canon to begin with. George never cared for it and always did what he wanted regardless.
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>>91740442
>That already happened like four or five years ago.
It'll be 3 years in four days
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>>91740474
Oh, do we have any celebrations planned?
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>>91740277

Republic doesn't fall, jedi don't die offscreen.

We get an original protagonist who isn't a brunette with a bad attitude.
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>how do you want your cinematography?
JUST
FUCK
MY
SHOT
UP
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>>91740587
What's wrong with either of those?
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>>91740654
I don't think it could work as a straight adaptation with a film for each book, but if they took some creative liberties (ie: no Yisalmari or whatever they're called and no Luuke) then they could definitely do it as a single film or maybe in 2 films.

Sebastian Stan is the perfect age to play Luke 5 years after Endor too, and it doesn't hurt how much he looks like young Mark Hamill.
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>>91740587
It's really funny when you take a step back and think about Mark sitting there next to a fucking doll doing those scenes.
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>>91740770
the bottom one is a massive downgrade from the cinematography in ESB

this was linked earlier in the thread:
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=262012
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>>91740654
Depends on if he survives Rebels or not.

It's looking 50/50 right now.

If he survives Rebels, then yeah, I can predict more Thrawn books.

If not, then I guess we'll be sitting through another month of "CANON IS SHIT, WASTED THRAWN REEEE FUCK YOU AND YOUR FEMINIST AGENDA"
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>>91740859
>another month
kek, that's cute, anon

We'll be getting that forever no matter what happens
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>>91740857
This just screams of pretentious armchair critic shit to me.

I don't see how the cinematography of most of those shots is any worse.

Then there's also the unfair comparison, such as the shots of Vader and Luke walking up the stairs, being compared with the dramatic shot of Vader in the smokey room where he needed to be illuminated with dramatic lightning.

Like, no shit the shots are going to end up the way they did.

I prefer ROTJ, feel free to ignore me for being biased if you wish.
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>>91740857
Ah, I think I get what he's talking about.
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>>91740859
He'll probably survive, get re-assigned to the Unknown Regions, maybe even goes back to the Ascendancy. Just so that the Story Group has him to use again. Probably exactly that, an alternate/retelling of the old trilogy, this time in the new Canon. There's still plenty of a gap between Aftermath and Force Awakens, though they'll probably wait until after the sequel trilogy is complete because even though there is a story group, movie canon comes first. Once the movies' timelines and history is done, then the gaps will be filled in more, just like the old EU
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>>91740912

The cinematography of Vader vs Luke on the second death star is fucking phenomenal.

Every single piece of the scene was rehearsed to hell and back, machined out from scratch for this sequence, and lit to match. You could probably make a good ten to twenty page breakdown of just this one shot. This is the fucking magnum opus of the OT.
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>>91741028
The only part of the movies that is prioritized is that nothing else released will spoil the story.

Bloodlines is a very important book regarding Leia, the Resistance, First Order, and even Episode 8. Rian Johnson himself helped Claudia with it.

They can have important stuff release before he ST is done, alongside the movies.

But it depends. If they want to do a Thrawn book that will go into details about Snoke, for example, then yeah they'll have to wait, simply because they don't want to reveal a mystery set up for normies in a movie, to a few thousand people who read the books.
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>>91741070
That's how I feel about the Mustafar fight too. Both of those fights are in the shadow of ESB, but I feel like the choreography, cinematography (at least, a lot of the time), music, emotions, everything was superior to the ESB fight.

I'm a sucker for huge climactic ends to arcs, so ROTS and ROTJ will always be my favorite movies with my favorite fights.
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>>91741112

I don't really feel Mustafar in the same way to be honest. By which I mean it goes on for half an hour similar to the Endor fight, but it cuts between two duels instead of a duel and different types of fights elsewhere. After a while the escalation feels less like they're just trying to keep interest.

It has a lot of really cool moments though. I'll give it that.
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What is the Force?
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>>91741233
The power of IMAGINATION
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>>91741233

A quasi sentient energy field covering the universe, connecting every living thing and piece of matter.

How this lets you shoot lightning is beyond me.
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>>91741294
Is it a god?
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Zack Ryder was at Star Wars Celebration. Rate his haul.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUox6UOeM7k
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>>91741233
Space magic
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>>91741233
The power of FUTA
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>>91741351
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>>91741309
>funko
intothetrash.jpeg

I mean, I guess if I had a big shelf collection like that, it would be kinda neat...
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>>91733016
Little late, but that scene and music is still god-tier in my book. Happy with Star Wars as it is now, but KotOR 2 holds a special place in my heart.
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>>91734375
YER
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>>91741709
BOYFRIEND? CUTE BOYFRIEND?
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>>91736186
I also have that Revan!
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>>91741309
I don't know who that guy is, but he seems like he's having a good time, even though my first impression was turned off. He's self-aware, and doesn't pretend to be something he's not, basically admitting he doesn't even know who Thrawn is.

Also, he takes his toys out of the box, literally ripping the cardboard up. I hate toys that are displayed in boxes, so that earns some points for me.

He may be a normie, but I like him.

Also, I can't really rate his haul ...
it looks like he just bought literally every funko.
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>>91739653
What if he's not ironic
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>>91739528
>>91739299
The way I see it. They're doing me a favor. I can just drop Star Wars and do other shit with my time. I'm only upset that this whole "fuck the fanbase" motto became vogue when I probably needed this shit sooner. I'd rather spend time a gym than waste anymore attention with these assholes.
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>>91741299

It's not treated as such but it fucking weird. The Force is treated as if it has a will of it's own, but it's not treated as a god. Similarly saber crystals are similarly portrayed as having a will of their own, but not sentient.
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>>91741814
>nobody took my bait so let me pretend to take the bait in hopes that someone else will take it too
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>>91741846
um... what?
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>>91741814
If you're the kind of person that cries about this then you're exactly the kind of person they're mocking.
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>>91741525
KOTOR 2 makes me wonder a little. It feels like something Disney's going to have to do sooner or later, something involving it.

The OT is just a fairy tale in space. The PT is about the fall of a civilization. They can both sort of make do with the cosmic questions of the Star Wars universe staying in the background. But now Disney talks about movies for decades. They talk about the Star Wars universe as a living, breathing world.

Well, how does that world work? And what about the most obvious difference between that world and our world: the Force? How does THAT work?

Disney's going to have to answer questions similar to the questions KOTOR 2 raises if they really plan on building an ongoing universe out of Star Wars. They're going to have to build a metaphysics, a framework of a supernatural reality. They're going to have to answer cosmic questions about this world.
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>>91739742
>Not liking Augie's Great Municipal Band
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>>91741879
Not entirely sure on how you mean that, but I'd definitely like something as "dark" as TSL back in the day. A real in-depth look into the mythos surrounding the Force.

I suppose the lore's a bit different now. I'm still unsure if it was Lucas or Disney that decided Darkside vs Lightside was even real or not. What the fuck even IS the current canon stance?
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>>91741814
>I'd rather spend time a gym than waste anymore attention with these assholes.
Well at least you're bettering yourself.
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>>91741878
I put up enough with this shit from Marvel when Captain Nazi isn't cutting it, and Video Game Developers blaming "entitled" fans that don't buy their buggy games. Never seen this shit done in other mediums. Though to be fair, these geek hobby content creators are made up failure writers/directors who couldn't cut it anywhere else.
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>>91741968
It's one person jokingly holding a mug that says "fanboy tears" not some manifesto on why they hate the fans. Calm down.
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>>91741922
Well, here's something for you.

Kreia posits that the Force is some capricious god, crashing whole civilizations together in its ebb and flow. She more or less lays the blame for every galactic catastrophe at the feet of the Force and its "will." She essentially says the Force is responsible for the deaths of untold trillions.

How do you answer that charge in a satisfying way? Especially because in the PT, the Sith believe the Force is "with" them, and there's some evidence they're right?
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>>91742020
I could see a counter argument being made that the Force has no real WILL outside of what sentient life makes for it. She should be blaming the collective unconsciousness of society.
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>>91742073
Ah, but that's got you agreeing with the Sith. The Sith believe in shaping the Force to their own ends, don't they? Or some of them do.

At the very least the argument leads you down a Sithy path. If the Force is uncontrolled and unguided, it needs a master. It needs a handler.
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She deserves everything that happened to her.
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>>91742139
Sion would look fucking terrifying in Unreal Engine.
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>>91742122
Either way, it's HER shitty opinions that tend to fuck up the galaxy, I've noticed. So simply disagreeing with anything she says is probably the best way to go.
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>>91742186
I'm not so sure. She has an ulterior motive all the time. She is a Sith Lord, after all. But truths can be told in the service of a lie. I don't think all of Kreia's doubts about the Force go away once you defeat her. I think that's part of the point of the game.
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>>91742211
Oh, the game is meant to be thought-provoking and ambiguous, but let's be clear here. Up to (and sometimes including) the Exile, EVERY ONE of her students has become a Sith Lord.

That's no exactly a spectacular record as far as Jedi Teaching goes. I'm not seeing tenure in her future if I'm the Pre-Mando-Wars Council.
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>>91732766
>Poe Dameron #13 (April 19)
Poe Dameron is the worst in SW universe, lame lazy and stupid...
"Go away BB8, I'll save everybody" he didn't save a soul.
"I´m not telling you shit" He spilled the beans.
After the crash...did he look for Finn or BB8 in the closest fucking town? "nah... I´m going back to the base". Where were BB8 and Finn? In the closest fucking town!
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>>91742250
Well, let's dare to be blasphemous. What if the Sith are right?

Or, rather, what if neither side is truly right, but the Sith come closer to the truth? Pretend for a second that the Jedi aren't the default heroes of Star Wars. Evaluate their teachings and philosophy on their own merits. Does it stand up? Does it fit with the universe as we know it, with the Force as we know it? I'm not so sure. If you take the Hero nametag off the Jedi, are they so good, in the end? Or, rather, are the Sith any worse?

Or, most of all rather: do the Jedi have the best approach to a relationship with the Force?
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>>91742289
Jedi
>pro-peace and harmony, even if unfair to some
>emotions make you do stupid shit
>detachment from worldly affairs, unless it threatens us

Sith
>pro-conflict to root out weakness no matter who gets hurt
>emotions are good and you should do dru-feel good. You should do what feels right, no matter who it hurts
>Rule the Galaxy, Fuck the Police

Still feels like, maybe, despite some flaws, the Jedi are more correct than the Sith in some respects.

If the Force IS collective unconscious, then the Sith want to harmfully manipulate the natural balance, while the Jedi just want to prevent it from fucking up too many people in the process.
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>>91741922
>>91741879

Lucas decided all the lore on the Force, in fact they dabbled quite a bit into it in TCW before Disney even showed up.

Generally speaking, there is always a dark side presence. Always the temptation to fall.

Actually using the dark side, that is effectively a cancer on the force, it's bending the force to do unnatural things.

The force is "in balance" when Sith (or another big dark side force) is mucking about with the dark side too much.

Not sure where the Nightsisters stand in all this, but considering their planet seems dead and they keep to themselves, I don't think they're really affecting much anymore. Oh, and they're dead.
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Okay, so question. Did Maul truly care for Ezra? I believe yes he was using him. But by the time Rebels happens Maul seems like a truly different person.

I really personally believe that Maul saw something in Ezra. Maybe a way of redeeming himself. Maybe if he weren't so blinded by hatred for Obi Wan he could have turned.

I mean I don't even think Maul wanted to kill Obi Wan either. It just seems like he convinced himself that's all he has left.

Idk what do y'all think?
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>>91742439
>The force is "in balance" when Sith (or another big dark side force) is mucking about with the dark side too much.

Uh, did you mean "out of balance" there?
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>>91742464
Yeah, I was going to write "in balance when there are no Sith [...]" but I changed the wording halfway through the sentence and forgot to go back and fix that. My bad.
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>>91742439
Well the whole point is that we should be willing to question Lucas' setup. Does it work? Is it coherent? Are there parts of it that don't make sense?

Half of what makes KOTOR 2 interesting is that it drives nails into some of the ways Lucas' cosmology doesn't make sense. Lucas' ideas on the Force may need some tweaking in the future of the franchise.
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>>91742447
I think Maul did care for Ezra, or at the very least wanted to care about him, but ultimately his desire for vengeance or at the very least closure over came him
Maul was once so powerful he actually forced Palpatine to get off his throne and handle something himself for the first time in the entire Clone War, but after losing his brother, going on the run for decades and having to come to terms with just how much he'd lost trying to be the Sith he never truly was changed his outlook significantly
I don't think he ever saw Ezra as a means to redemption (hell I'd argue one of the main reasons the two of them ended up fighting was Ezra's belief he could save Maul when Maul himself didn't WANT saving) but he did see him as a potential ally to help fight Sidious, even just as a ultimately futile gesture of revenge
For a Dark Sider to genuinely consider someone a friend and an ally, that's a huge step and a big change I hope is applied to other Dark Siders in the new canon. But it came too little and too late for Maul
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>>91742497
Lucas' ideas definitely need some tweaking. Not to say they aren't good ideas, but the perception that the Dark Side is some kind of cancer on the Force is more than a little limiting in terms of story telling
The Force is nothing if not cribbed directly from Taoist philosophy, but whenever the Dark Side shows up for some reason people still insist on trying to apply an Abrahamic morality that insists there is Evil and that it must be destroyed for Good to prevail. The Force would make a lot more sense if, in objective terms, the Dark Side was seen through Taoist eyes as the coalescence of the unpleasant aspects of reality that never the less must be confronted and ultimately accepted as real, but not wallowed in.
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>>91742497
Well I heard that when Lucas saw what they were doing with Kotor 2, he explicitly told them it wasn't a true interpretation of the force. That they could release the game, but unlike Shadows of the Empire, he wouldn't really consider it "real Star Wars".

In some aspects of Star Wars, they've challenged Lucas's ideas, but a lot of the time they treat his word as law.

Does Lucas's view on the force make sense? I think so. Generally speaking Lucas believes very much that the human soul can be corrupted. That if you let greed and hate into you, that this will negatively affect you and those around you. He wrote all this with personal experiences in mind, and he talks about it a lot in interviews and public speeches.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCP2SGTIz28

The story of Anakin Skywalker basically showcases both aspects of the force. You have the selfless hero, who was kind and brave. But as he starts to become greedy, attached, vengeful and untrusting, he utilized the dark side, until he ultimately feel completely. George was trying to show that even good men can change completely for the most honest reasons. I've seen people talk before that Anakin's fall was specifically based on love, from Lucas's own experience with divorce, in which when he was completing the OT and building his IRL Empire, he lost the woman he believed he was doing it for.

Then you have the redemption at the very end of the saga, in which against anything established in the lore before, Anakin comes back from the light in a huge selfless act to save his son.

Ultimately, to Lucas, the light and the dark sides of the force were just fantasy stand-ins for these bigger themes that he was trying to tell.
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>>91742656
>>91742497

cont:

So when Kotor 2 did some controversial stuff (specifically with Kreia) it goes against the ideas that Lucas was trying to convey, that the light side truly does represent compassion, love and honesty, and is ultimately good. It's just the "evils" of human nature that are bad, and that dabbling in it even a little is a bad thing.

>>91742447
I do believe that Maul was fond of Ezra, much how he was genuinely caring for his brother. He could have let Ezra die, and take the Holocron for himself, but he kept Ezra with him, intending to train him. And by this point, it wasn't even tradition because Maul had given up his Sith title.
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>>91742656
>>91742672
cAnon, this is mostly unrelated, but...

I like you.
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>>91736881
t. Ezra Bridger
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>>91742656
>>91742672
So the Force IS a god, then. At the very least it is a moral arbiter.
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>>91742656
>Then you have the redemption at the very end of the saga, in which against anything established in the lore before, Anakin comes back from the light in a huge selfless act to save his son.

However, wouldn't that also imply that the dark side and the light side is something that comes out of each individual in his own conscious decisions rather than an outside force corrupting and bending them? The thing with greed, lust for power, etc. is that they are easier as you delve into them. You do a harmful thing, but you get away with it, even benefit from it. So you do it again and again and before you know it, you are a scumbag who keeps hurting the people around himself.

So it would be more about accessibility of power and how that can warp your perception of yourself and the world around you. Not an addictive substance per se. Similarly, what is Kylo's "call to the light"? His own repressed guilt and doubt or really some higher metaphysical "good" tempting him? In RotJ, we see Luke using the Force offensively, to delve into the dark side disciplines. But that didn't corrupt him by itself. It was making that big step after the little steps and striking at Vader in fury. But that was his reality check. He stepped back and revealed himself to be firmly on the light after all. Meanwhile in a similar position, Anakin murdered Dooku, by his choice and his own alone. The Jedi Order was so passive and withdrawn that it led to their downfall. Obi-Wan and Yoda were so entrenched in their belief that the dark side is something that must be wholly avoided, something irrevocable you can't let go of, yet Luke proved them wrong over and over again.

So, perhaps we don't have to necessarily see the dark side itself as something inherently destructive. The dark side grows from selfishness and agression, but also allows for proactivity and flexibility. What is necessary is to find one's own center, one's own responsibility.
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>>91742975
I would say it's a natural force, at least from what we know of it at this point.

There's talk of it having a will all of its own, but I don't necesarilly believe that any God is pulling the strings.

Moral arbiter is a better term. A natural force that tries to nudge the Galaxy towards peace in a universe where good and evil are legitimate forces of nature. "The Force Awakens" was according to Pablo, literally the Force nudging Rey into action in the wake of Snoke stirring up the dark side again.

But there could be more to things that are just unknown. I have not finished the Aftermath Trilogy, but I remember something in the first book about Sheev speculating that the dark side had some kind of original presence from outside the known Galaxy. (If this was ever expanded on, then I am not yet aware though)

Then there was also the Celestials in TCW, the Force physically appearing to Anakin, able to talk with him. So perhaps the Force DOES have a greater conscience?

>>91743248
You make some interesting points. While greed and selfishness will push you to the dark side, obviously this will only go to a certain extent for non-force sensitives. Unlike Vos or Anakin, the gamblers and scoundrels of the Galaxy don't go into drunken dark side frenzies.

So I think, and especially for force sensitives, the influence of the dark side is both internal and external.

As for Luke and Kylo, well they are the most interesting characters in this discussion because as you say, they effectively contradict what we know and have seen with the force.

Kylo's "call to the light", and Luke being able to be a little dubious in ROTJ.

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>>91743248
>>91743426

I'll quickly address Kylo and say that his "call to the light", I think, is a brand new thing. I think it's something that hasn't been fully explained yet, and is less to do with him succumbing to the dark side, or being influenced by it. Although that is basically up in the air for fans to speculate on right now.

Luke however, we know a bit more about, so he presents two answers for us.

The first answer is mostly to do with storytelling. When ROTJ first released, fans basically knew nothing about what had happened since Empire Strikes Back, which had ended with Vader trying to get Luke to join him. Even as Luke lay there wounded in the Falcon, he responded "Father...". Then suddenly, Luke shows up in ROTJ and what is the first thing we see him do? Walk into Jabba's Palace, cloaked entirely in black, and choke the guards. At this point, we'd also barely seen any force powers either, with Vader's signature choking ability being the only major display of the dark side of force powers. Then in the climax of the movie, we have Luke give into his rage after Sheev was persuading him to turn on his father and join the dark side. I believe that it was widely intended for the audience to believe that Luke was going to fall, as to make Luke's rejection of the dark side much more surprising and impactful. Luke realizes he was making a huge mistake by giving in to those temptations, and he rejects it, inspiring his father by showing him what it means to be a true Jedi. So from this angle, we can see that perhaps while using the dark side in very small "necessary" doses wont kill you, it's still the Jedi way to ultimately reject it.

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>>91743248
>>91743426
>>91743430

HOWEVER, you are also right in that maybe the dark side isn't inherently destructive. The Jedi banned attachments, but most people wouldn't call attachment to a pet, or sibling harmful in any way, right? In a way, this was the point, to show that honest feelings can go to far, that passions can become destructive. The dark side is just a fantasy representation of this. Luke (and even Anakin and Ahsoka before him in TCW) is show using the force to choke threats. Did that immediately turn him evil? Of course not, Luke and Ahsoka never turned at all, despite using that ability. Choking someone physically wouldn't turn you either.

It's not the Jedi way though. Jedi aren't supposed to use the Force for offense, it's a bastardization and perversion of your abilities, and why the Sith doing it is considered a cancer on the force. But that's where the interesting connection between Anakin, Ahsoka and Luke is formed. Ahsoka quit the Jedi, thus not following their rules so strictly. Anakin of course completely fell.

Now Luke in TLJ claiming to want the end of the Jedi? We'll have to wait and see what that really means, or if the quote is grossly out of context. But maybe he knows something we don't about the Force. I don't really think Luke is evil, I don't think he ever would be. The entire point of his arc in the OT was to reject that, so Luke turning would be the nail in the coffin for the ST to me. So instead I am choosing to believe that Luke is trying to find a new way to balance the Force. He has already shown in ROTJ that bending the rules a little could do good. Can't exactly save your friends lives and then save the Galaxy, if a Gammorean put an axe in your back. Qui-Gon was similarly a bit rogue-ish, gambling (and cheating!) in order to help free a slave boy.

So even when trying to stick to the light side, it's not always so simply black and white, and I think this will be a big point in TLJ with Luke.
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>>91743480
I think my personal problem is the idea that the Dark Side is somehow a "cancer on the force", that its somehow unnatural or a perversion that must be wiped out entirely. Those passions, those negative feelings and emotions are very much a part of life, and if the Jedi truly believe in a continuum that unites all living things they must accept that inherent negativity without wallowing in it. Sectioning themselves off, refusing to recognize these things as very real and very necessary is what ultimately lead to their destruction. Anakin was just a focal point of this failure, but it was an inevitability created by the rot within the Jedi's disturbingly literal (to the point I refuse to believe it was unintentional) ivory tower.
As for Kylo, I think he's ironically got the opposite problem to Anakin, in that Kylo is desperately immersing himself in the Dark Side but he's just not cut out for it, he's too empathetic too wallow in that negativity forever, whereas Anakin had too much anger and negativity tied to his background to really thrive with the Jedi who constantly immersed him in the Light.

I do hope that the line about "its so much bigger" isn't just referring to the idea of the Light and Dark sides of the Force but to approaches to the Force in general. With Palpatine and Vader dead, and the Jedi whittled down to one man who didn't even finish his informal schooling the galaxy entered an unprecedented post-Jedi, post-Sith age. Its long past time that people started trying new answers to old questions about the Force
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>>91743563
>I think my personal problem is the idea that the Dark Side is somehow a "cancer on the force", that its somehow unnatural or a perversion that must be wiped out entirely
I agree, and I don't think the dark side necesarilly needs to be wiped out either.

You have the Bendu, and the Nightsisters. They mostly kept to themselves, they didn't seem to affect the balance of the force at all.

The Knights of Ren seems to be screwing around for quite a while before the Force decided to "awaken", or whatever.

As you said, passion, love, greed, they are human traits. I don't think people falling for those things is necesarilly going to throw the Galaxy into chaos like Sheev and Snoke did.

I saw a graphic someone made that showed the dark side existing quietly, much smaller than the light side, but still balanced. It can never truly be gone, because as you say, some of the influences of the dark side are very natural. And it's not until a significant disruption like Sheev throws it out of balance. I think that was a very simple but generally satisfactory explanation.

>As for Kylo, I think he's ironically got the opposite problem to Anakin, in that Kylo is desperately immersing himself in the Dark Side but he's just not cut out for it, he's too empathetic too wallow in that negativity forever, whereas Anakin had too much anger and negativity tied to his background to really thrive with the Jedi who constantly immersed him in the Light.
Yeah, this is what it seems like as of now. I've heard rumors and leaks suggesting that Kylo is actually destined to serve the light, that the force is trying as much as it can to intervene and stop him turning. Interesting idea, but it doesn't even need to be that complicated for the idea to work.

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>>91743563
>>91743666

>the Jedi whittled down to one man who didn't even finish his informal schooling
Yep, Luke tried to rebuild the Jedi on nothing but salvaged Holocrons, an old mans diary, and a few months doing backflips in a swamp. If it wasn't for his incredible inherited powers, he would have gotten nowhere. And thanks to JJ, it still got screwed.

But now it seems Luke IS trying something new. I don't think they're going to pull the "grey Jedi" thing because Pablo's been vocal on that. But I do think that maybe Luke will be like the Bendu, truly attempting to be in the middle, even if this means possible conflicting with Leia. I believe that this is what Hamill was upset about regarding Luke in TLJ too, but that's just my own theorizing and predicting.
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>>91743673
I think you might be right about Luke, just judging by some of his comments about TFA Mark seemed to think he was going to have a more directly heroic role alongside Leia, rushing about to save Han and stuff
And, for what its worth, I kind of like that Luke ultimately failed for more or less the exact same reason that his mentors both failed the Jedi Order. There's a distinct poetry to it, and of course it further reinforces the lesson of learning from history that permeates the whole Luke-Kylo-Jedi Order story thread
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>>91743480
Although at the same time, couldn't you make the argument that the scene where Luke chokes out those guys is a hint at his internal conflict for the movie? Unlike Qui-Gon, who gambles and cheats, but ultimately isn't hurting anyone (except Watto, who at least gets something out of the deal), Luke was outright making clear just how threatening he could be rather than going for mind tricks or less overtly violent methods. In this way, as in your previous post, it shows that Luke is walking a dark path where little moments wherein a person might try to justify using the Dark Side to their advantage might lead to them taking a leap off the slippery slope over time.

While not everyone can be a paragon in an imperfect universe, that doesn't mean it isn't something worth pursuing in itself.

With Kylo, it's something fascinating. In a way, he probably better represents what a person would be like if they straddled the line between the Light and the Dark Side. In contrast to Legends' Grey Jedi, Kylo is conflicted to the point of seeming borderline schizophrenic, as well as relatively ineffectual compared to the Jedi and Sith of old.

The other "balanced" figure, the Bendu, was also shown to be indifferent to things, which while not necessarily bad in itself, also meant that he was willing to stand by and allow evil to flourish. In addition, the series seemed to also suggest that despite his air of enlightened superiority, he was at the end of the day kind of a selfish asshole.

If anything, balance might be similar to Yoda's trials in TCW and Luke's in ROTJ where they had to acknowledge their own darkness (thus throwing off the false pride of thinking yourself beyond your personal faults) in order to achieve their goals.
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>>91743852
>While not everyone can be a paragon in an imperfect universe, that doesn't mean it isn't something worth pursuing in itself.
Yes, but there comes a time where that simply isn't an option. You need an insight necessary to see what sort of action is appropriate for any given situation. When to push and when to give. When to force and when to let go.

The Order surrendered that freedom of choice when they locked themselves in their doctrine. Cannot dabble in the dark side at all. Must serve the Republic at all costs. Cannot get close to other people at all. As they strived for their ideal of goodness, they became slaves of the thinking in absolutes (the irony intended by Lucas himself). The world isn't a simple place and cannot be sharply divided in black and white. They reduced the decision making process to a simple binary question of complete opposites, when the reality calls for more variation in thinking, case by case basis.

As you bring up Kylo, I'm thinking how he also reflects that mindset, but from the other side. He believes that the dark side path is the correct one with a religious zeal, similar to how the old Jedi Order approached the light side and wanted to expunge everything else. Yet that adherence limits him, goes directly against his own instinctual understanding of right and wrong and that causes an internal conflict. We have someone who isn't freed by the dark side, quite the opposite.
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>>91743705
Yeah. I'm not very happy about how Luke's Jedi have been handled. Especially how we've seen basically nothing of them.

But we also can't pretend like the Jedi were flawless either. The Order failed, in part, because they made mistakes and lost their way.

If what they've done to Luke is an attempt at getting him to set up something better, then maybe it could end up working out for the best.

At the very least, it opens up a new story, something people should be grateful for after TFA.

>>91743852
>couldn't you make the argument that the scene where Luke chokes out those guys is a hint at his internal conflict for the movie?
Yeah absolutely, like I mentioned in one of those posts, I believe that they were trying to convince the audience Luke could turn, by showing him acting more like his father.

And yeah, Kylo is interesting because we haven't really seen someone conflicted in such a way.

As for Bendu, I think that was the intention. That being in the middle shouldn't really be considered a bad thing. Even if you don't jump completely into the dark side, you still show uncaring and selfish beliefs, and allow evil to rise. I think this is possibly how Luke will be in TLJ.

Also;
>balance might be similar to Yoda's trials in TCW and Luke's in ROTJ where they had to acknowledge their own darkness
Very good point. Most Jedi were probably too busy trying to suppress their emotions to acknowledge and accept their darkness. Yoda was nearly 900 before he had to face that trial, because the Jedi had become so detached from being natural and emotional people. Probably one of their biggest shortcomings.
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>>91744047
>That being in the middle shouldn't really be considered a bad thing
*or a good thing, I meant to add

>>91744039
>As you bring up Kylo, I'm thinking how he also reflects that mindset, but from the other side. He believes that the dark side path is the correct one with a religious zeal, similar to how the old Jedi Order approached the light side and wanted to expunge everything else. Yet that adherence limits him
I don't think I really thought about it like that, that's a good point
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IMO the two best theories so far on what happens with Kanan and Ezra:
>Rebels ends exactly in the R1 scene where Mon Mothma sends Organa back to Alderaan to wait for Obi Wan. Kanan and Ezra go with him.
>Both of them basically fake their deaths. We know that Lothal wasn't fully liberated before R1, only that the TIE factory was destroyed. Ezra and Kanan will stay behind as lowkey protectors of Lothal. Which might be a reason why they are nowhere to be seen in OT.
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>Rebels ends exactly in the R1 scene where Mon Mothma sends Organa back to Alderaan to wait for Obi Wan. Kanan and Ezra go with him.

Genuinely the worst possible way of killing them off, and judging by Filoni's justification for Kallus surviving Zero Hour it's not one they'd likely consider, thank god.
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>>91744433
What was his justification for that? I've heard a lot of people mention it but I've haven't heard what he actually said

And yeah, ending Rebels with the Ghost crew literally staring down the barrel of the Death Star would be awful, and a huge tonal whiplash moment for very little gain. There's nothing wrong with Ezra and Kanan surviving, its not like people would take it on themselves to start canvassing for potential Jedi trainers for Luke
Hell the new canon comics would indicate that Luke himself is torn between trying to be a normal Rebel fighter and his Jedi training
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>>91744469
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2017/03/28/star-wars-rebels-dave-filoni-discusses-kallus-arc-mauls-fate-and-more-of-season-3s-big-storylines

"Once you say we’re going to turn him and he’s going to act as a Fulcrum, there is a debate about, “Do we kill him or should he make it out.. Should we kill him off?” But it didn’t feel right. It would be pretty sad that this guy that was a bad guy actually turning into perhaps a good guy… Why should he pay a price for that good thought? That didn’t seem like it would be communicating the right story point. You have to be careful now because a lot of people think in storytelling, “We’re going to do what’s not typical and we’re going to go against the grain!” But if the purpose of doing that is because we’ve never seen it before or to be sensational, why are you telling that story? What’s the benefit to killing him off? It would communicate the message that he tried to change and he died and nothing came of it. You’d have to have a purpose for his death. It’s kind of a long answer but it felt like his character could serve more in the future, in a positive way, especially for the viewers watching."
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>>91735089
But Phoenix Squadron is called by name in ANH though.
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>>91744741
>But Phoenix Squadron is called by name in ANH though.

Wait, what?

Is this actually serious because I don't remember this at all.
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>>91744806
Mentioned in the intercom
https://youtu.be/0kxPJ_DLS-E?t=25s

It's true, all of it.
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>>91744826
You have autism

but a good kind of autism
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>no matter how many inconsistancies it has
>No matter how much random bullshit is in it
>Star Wars Commander will always be considered canon
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>>91744865
I thought stuff like the freemium games and BF1 were considered 'canon authentic' rather than actual factual "The Rebels engaged the Empire in a game of Capture The Flag on Sullust" canon
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>>91744887
I believe Commander has some sort of campaign with an actual story in it though.
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>>91744826
It's almost certainly just a weird coincidence but I'll accept it.
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>>91744887
They are for the most part, but Commander still considering that, recanonizes zombie stormtroopers, among other random bullshit.

Plus it has nonsense like inconsistancies droid model numbers and things that simply shouldn't exist in SW canon and doesn't ANYWHERE but this game
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>>91744924
>Fun!
>In my video games?
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>>91744906
I just looked it up, a mercenary outfit pissing off Jabba then being forced to pick between the Imperials or the Rebels seems pretty in keeping with the universe. Shame they start on Tatooine but that's what choosing a known planet will do for you
>>91744908
Its probably a bit of intentional canon welding on Filoni's part. The Starbird symbol is at the core the Phoenix Squadron's story, and it wouldn't surprise me if someone remembered that call out over the intercom and suggested the name
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>Gar Saxon, Ima-Gun-Di, and fucking KOTOR characters are in galaxy of grinding before a regular fucking luke
wuh
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So I'm watching Star Wars the Clone Wars, and I'm wondering how this guy's huge nose and the fact that he works for the Banking Clan both managed to get into the show.

Seriously, jewish hate much?

Also my favorite part of the 2008 movie was when the ship rolls over and Ahsoka's floppy headtail thingies hang over.

Also goddamn this show pushes a lot of interspecies breeding.
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>>91744957
But it's not even fun. The act like normal stormtroopers but are canonically zombies
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>>91745054
>Stop liking ideas I don't like
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>>91745065
You can like the shitty ideas, I can't stop you from doing that, but I have just as much right to call them shit as you do to blindly love them
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>>91745073
Wow dude you're cool do you fuck all the bitches with those objective opinions?

just calm down and let people have fun
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>>91745043
that guy in the back
is he a delphidian?
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>>91745086
Why do you keep thinking me having a negative opinion about something devalues anybody else's fun? Yes, go have fun playing Commander. I don't care what you do, but it's not going to convince me zombie stormtroopers have any place in canon
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>>91745043
Man, TCW knew how to use it's style. Everyone looks interesting.
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>>91745054
When you say zombies what do you mean? Because they had classic "walking dead, hunger for flesh" shambling undead in the old canon, is this a similar thing or just something like the Decraniated, severely wounded people who are converted into flesh-droids and used as slaves? (canon according to the Rogue One visual guide http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Decraniated)
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>>91745043
Stereotypes turned into aliens are part of SW fun
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>>91745159
Literally death troopers from the eu
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>>91745196
Are they called Death Troopers? Because there's some implications that the reason the black commando bodyguards Krennic has with him in Rogue One are called 'Death Troopers' is because he's done some work on cybernetically reanimating necrotic flesh, but that just might be Death Troopers having some Dreadnought tier cybernetics crammed into half dead bodies before being thrown into the front
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>>91745166

I realized one night.

That Barriss is the worst stereotype of all. Worse than the Twi'leks being standins for poor people.
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>>91744908
Filoni probably named them Phoenix Squadron because of that clip
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>>91745166

The only thing Barriss did wrong was not using enough explosives.
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>>91745233
I honestly can't remember. The answer is probably on the wook
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>>91745233
"Early on in his rule, the Emperor demonstrated a keen grasp of the importance of symbols - recasting ancient icons of strength and unity from the Republic and other cultures in a new and powerful Imperial light. As such, the name of the death trooper stems from a rumored project from the Advanced Weapons Research division, designed to animate necrotic flesh. Though the troopers do not appear to be derived from this scheme, the use of the name gives them a macabre reputation among the Imperial ranks." - Rogue One Visual Guide

They're not actual zombie troopers, but the name is inspired by them in-universe.
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>>91745303
Its not a matter of enough, its a matter of where
Barriss' worst crime was not hitting up the damn library first and figuring out where the weak points in the Temple are
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>>91745367
Ah neat, I wonder if thats a nod to anything except for Death Troopers (the novel that is). A plan to reanimate dead flesh with cybernetics sounds a lot like the Lazarus Project from Mass Effect, but it also sounds like some versions of the Cybermen from Doctor Who. Probably the latter is more likely, if it is a reference at all
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>>91745378

...which is kind of funny, because her introduction is being able to memorize 200 fucking junctions in a tunnel network.

Guess the Dark Side makes you sloppy.
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>>91745166
I want to fug that Mirialan
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>>91745493

>willingly fucking xenos
You realize that your near human children will never be normal, I hope.
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>>91745399
>>91745378

>she stops wearing the burka when she starts being a terrorist.

What did Lucas mean by this?
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>>91745509
>he doesn't want to breed these qts
>he doesn't want to shove his face in yellow titties.
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>>91745509
t. holonet /pol/

Mirialans are just yellow humans.
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There's a thread on this board asking is Ren is a virgin

which one of you fuckers did this
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>>91745653

Yeah, and then you just say 'oh twileks are just weird color humans', and then bam you get weird skin colored twi'lek kids like that Clone that was fucking a twi'lek.
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>>91745700
Humans being able to produce offspring with twileks was completely asinine
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>>91745719

You think that's bad, Hondo asked if Boba was 'one of his'!

This fucking rock skinned fucker was thinking he could produce a kid with whatever the fuck Aurra is.
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>>91745745
>>91745745
>>91745745
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