Agents of SHIELD Live Talkback

Assuming this looks like shit because I have to post it on my phone from work so help me keep it bumped kind anons.


Upcoming eps:
4x19: "All the Madame's Men" (Apr 25th)
>Daisy finds herself teamed up with an unlikely partner. Meanwhile, Aida prepares to put her ultimate end game into effect

4x20: "Farewell, Cruel World!" (May 2nd)
>The clock is ticking for Daisy and Simmons to get the team out of the Framework, but not everyone is ready and willing to leave.

Bit early isn't it?

Hopefully we get some more Elizabeth Henstridge ass shots in this episode. Like how she's gotten an ass now, guess she's been working out or something

I'm starting to think Hydra being in charge isn't only because of character life paths changing.

I think Aida needed a dictatorship type regimeso she had a strong hand to keep things running how she wants.

>>91657868
I usually try to post about an hour early for mahvel discussion

Soon.
TFW still at work and can't watch it live that much

At least I'll have this thread

>>91658418
Honestly as long as this is up half an hour before hand it's fine.

Last thing we need is 2 threads again.

>>91657942
i know right. they are really showing it off.

>>91659295
Maybe we could get some Daisy like fanservice soon, like her going around in underwear

FITZ TIME

Here we go.

So, my TV is going bonkers and doesn't want to show pictures anymore, which is the good stream?

>>91659430
Evil Fitz is best Fitz

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>Squidmobile

>>91659516
I don't know, I was pretty partial to Dain Bramage Fitz.

>yfw based Black Ward is back

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I wonder if this show will make it a fifth season or anything after a fifth season?

Why would Hydra bother with a ONE LIMB CUT OFF board when TWO MORE TAKE ITS PLACE?

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mmmm tortured Skye never gets old

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>>91659590
>>91659516
>not indiana fitz
Maybe short lived, but sweet.

>>91657841
>not everyone is ready and willing to leave.
Skye felt in love with Ward.exe

>Hydra can't find SHIELD
>Mac can

Or is Aida prolonging the magic?

>>91659686
More like Mac won't delete daughter.iso

Matrix Coulson is a pretty good shot.
Are they substituting muscle memory for the skill download stuff?

Also,
>weird itch, like hives
lel

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>Like Hives

Blunt Simmons best Simmons??

oh shit, the Luke Cage doctor

>Hydra Hyde serum

Simmins is going to fuck everything up

>>91659640
I hope to God it gets renewed

>hyde may
Yes pls

Goddammit, I keep forgetting this is on. What have I missed.

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WE HYDE NOW

>>91659734
Motherfucker, that IS Burstein, isn't it?

Hey I remember this guy as Jemma's boss in S2

>Peppermint
I remember this too

>>91659757
Oh I can only dream.

It would be nice for him to be in this arc.

>>91659734
I'm not sure that was the same guy.

>>91659757
It'll make a man out of her.

>>91659763
>>91659734
Different guy.

>>91659640
I want LMD Ward and evil Fitz. I get this vibe that Fitz's dad will show up at some point.

How much did I miss?
>>91659816
The Doktor is kool

>>91659784
>pops in to liberate Daisy from Hydra, reveal she's Inhuman.
>doesn't realize the bullshit he's gotten into with this arc

>>91659816
yeah no way Fitz isn't ending up being really messed up by all this

>Mace.exe doesn't into cheesy

Not muh Patriot.

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>>91659795

B R O O K L Y N
R
O
O
K
L
Y
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Simmons is annoying as fuck

>Son of a Plumber

Mace is the American Dream. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d1RL_dgJIs

Was that seriously a reference to Elizabeth Warren?

>>91659910
You mean cute?

kek fucking Radcliffe

So it all turns out that everyone regrets NOT being a fascist.

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I want to lick Madame Hydra's/Aida's Boots

>>91659942
Just like real life!

BASED RADCLIFFE

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C'mon, take the blue pill Daisy... take it... yeah, no.

>Son of a plumber from Brooklyn

Supeor Mario Mace!

>>91659960
I'm jealous of her affection for Fitz. I'll gladly accept my robot overlords if she loved me like Fitz

>>91659988

*Super

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>he's going to have to watch his daughter be deleted

mac's gonna stay

OH FUCK THIS IRISH BASTARD

Fitz Sr.?

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Karnak to show up and kill Aida

Fitz's dad made him a Nazi? Some anon(s) called it.
>>91659988
>>91660015
superiore*

So that's why Fitz is evil? So he can get along with his dad? Why not just make his dad good?

Check out Whitehall in the Hydra history book! I love all the little text references, but then again I dig alternate history stuff.

>>91660088
Yep, saw that.

>>91660037
Every character I like who is also black is doomed in the MCU. Why?

>>91660076
Cause his regret isn't "my dad wasn't good"

>>91660076
Because Good Fitz wouldn't cotton to unethical scientific experiments in the name of his robot goddess.

>>91660049
Sooner than I figured

>>91660076
because that wouldn't be EVIL

>>91659723
IBF Mack makes a LMD spark plug to download her into and keeps her in secret only for her to turn evil, or even be Aida plot twist season five cliffhanger.

Has Fitz's father been in this before? I recognize the actor but I don't know if it's from Shield or another show.

>>91660111
Discovery requires experimentation, and normal Fitz wouldn't play ball

>>91660147
He was on Gotham for a bit

FUCKING GRIFFIN

>>91660137
He would shoot Robot Sparkplug on general principle.

Lion paws! Bakshi again! So many callbacks this arc.

>>91659640
I'm banking on a shortened fifth season for next spring, since we have Inhumans in the fall.

I can't feel bad for Radcliffe.

He's an idiot and if anyone deserves an eternity of computer torture, it's the futurist who can't stop with the stupid schemes.

>>91660147
the actor has been around in movies and tv

usually as the designated Irish hardass

Fuck you Daisy

>>91660137
>lmd sparkplug
Wasn't there a human in one of the transformers cartoons that was secretly a transformer in a human disguise? I think I remember something from tfwiki about that.

was Fitz's dad legit Hydra in the real world

>>91660266
I think he was just an abusive dick

>>91660076
He regrets not knowing his father.

>>91659942
Coulson regretted joining SHIELD.
May regretted killing the inhuman girl in Bahrain.
Mace regretted not being a real inhuman/a real hero.
Mac regretted his daughter dieing.

We don't know what Fitz' regret is yet. Probably something to do with his dad.

>>91659960
I'd let her dom me

>>91660266

He was buddies with Radcliffe. That should say everything.

what a comfy body bag

>>91660288
Kinda looks like he regrets knowing him here, even if he can't admit it because of years of psychological and physical abuse.

>>91660301
We've known since earlier this season. It's that his father wasn't a part of his life

OH SHIT BLACK WARD

TRIPP

BLACK WARD!

Black Ward!

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WHAT!!!!!!!!??!?!?!?!?!?!??!

TRIP

Guys LMD land might not be so bad if we just kill Madame Hydra.

Fuck, Tripp.exe.

LMD please. His death was beyond unnecessary.

>>91660099
well, you just got one back

BLACKWARD IS BACK

>>91660164
Oh ok now I remember.

May's steroid face is kinda hot

So is May gonna become a strength junkie a few episodes from now or have that heart attack they warned Mace about?

WE /MS HYDE/ NOW

DANGER

DANGER

WE'VE ENTERED A TWO WARD WORLD

THE NARRATIVE IS UNEQUIPPED TO DEAL WITH A REALITY WITH MORE THAN ONE CONCURRENT WARD

IT'S THE BEST OF TWO WARDS

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>>91659612
I didn't want to have hope, but I'm so glad now.

>>91659644
Delightful

Faustus method?

Ah, back to the old Compliance methods.

>>91660584
no this is Whitehall's procedure, but he might have improved Faustus' method

>>91660418
Now what happens should Lincoln enter in as well?

Whose regret made Ward a good guy? A resistance in general makes sense to make Mace happy, but Ward as we knew him would never join it so Ada must have intentionally changed him for some reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8

>>91660625
I think Whitehall actually called it "the Faustus Method".

>>91660630

Daisy

>>91660628
That doesn't happen unless Daisy loses her spine.

>>91660630
I don't think he falls under that rule since he's just programming. I think that's just how the world formed around him.

GeicoXGotG

>>91660630
perhaps May enjoyed the idea of Ward and Daisy being happy together?

or perhaps she planned to cuckqueen Daisy later on

>>91660630
That's just how the world worked itself out. Ward was only circumstantially evil afterall.

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>>91660380
Feels great.

>>91660678
She's not part of it though, she broke in from the outside. Jemma was fucking dead.

>>91660630
Think about it. Ward was loyal to Hydra under Garrett. But he could have died in Cambridge, or during another event. Without that influence, Ward could have had a change of heart. In this simulation, he found it in Skye

>>91660630
RAM Ward is a consequence of Hydra winning. We'd probably have gotten a cameo from Bill Paxton by now if it wasn't Game Over, Man.

>>91660630
Daisy regretted that she couldn't convince Ward to be good more than Lincoln dying.

>they didn't tell May they are brainwashing kids

and now Hydra goes to shit

May's gone soft! Soft!

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>All these cameos
This is the last season isn't it...

>>91660752
Daisy just hijacked the existing Framework AI Skye.

There were no regrets to fix, she was just a bot.

>>91660797
They're a few episodes shy of syndication so I hope not

>snap out of it may
Saving a kid fixes May's regret and she snaps out of it?

>mace gets to die a hero
Oh no, his regret fucked him. A pretty good way out though.

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No

>>91660797
Not until Fury, Maria and Hyde come back.

Press F to AMEEEEERICAAAAN DREEEEE-EEEAM.

Final shot is Mace's body chucked into a dumpster, calling it now

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Press F to pay respects

F is for Patriot.

>>91660802
Unless Jemma regretted not dying, I guess you're right.

F
uck, my stream died

WESKER NO

hell be fine

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>>91660875
F
I didn't realize how much I liked him until now.

>Dying outside of a season finale

It won't stick

F
;_;7

>>91660925
Same.

>>91660930
Didn't save Tripp.

>Loreal Hydra Commercial

>>91660930
Plenty of characters have been killed before a season finale

>>91660925
He's been great all season.
I hope Aida has a bot copy they can put in an LMD.

Wait, there's two of her? I assumed she uploaded herself. So I guess that could mean she doesn't know it's Hydra in there. Maybe the only parameters she gave it were to fix everyone's regrets and for her to be in charge, and that's what the framework spit out.

OH FUCK, TIME TO CRASH THE BUILDING WITH NO SURVIVORS

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>>91657750
so did they dropped the Inhuman subplots or what's going on?

>>91660436
LMD WARD AND LMD BLACK WARD

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Looks like Daisy is about to shake things up.

Haha virtual-HYDRA is fucked.

>>91660979
Entirely possible she's in both at once. She has a quantum brain afterall.

>>91660831
Well her regret was not saving that other kid soo

>>91660979
I think she created a Framework copy of her self, that was more human and wants Project Looking Glass to basically bring her framework self to the real world

>>91660979
>Wait, there's two of her?

LMD Aida and Madame Hydra are operating in parallel.

She's not a person, she's a computer program with a convincing robit body, and a dose of Necromancy.

Who stoked for Fitz as head of Hydra next week?

So is the real AIDA different from the one in the framework? She was surprised to see Mace die

AND FUCK YES THE SQUAD IS BACK, DAISY IS BACK

>>91660992
Nope, Inhumans are basically still mutants lite and now enemies of the state in the framework

>>91661052
>>91660979
Aida redemption once her (eventually) regretful Ophelia and Aida are synthesized?

>>91661062
Did Aida ever know that they could die if they died in the Framework? Maybe that was the backdoor that Radcliffe was talking about.

If Aida didn't know they died IRL if they died in the Framework she might have to change everything.

>>91661062
>quake and trip finally united
Bittersweet.

>>91660831
>>mace gets to die a hero

And in the next episode, we see that AIDA pressed the button for the defibrillator, zapping him back to life to torment him some more.

>>91661200
Has any important protagonist died this season? If not, I double Mace is coming back. I can even see it helping justify the Framework as "real" to Jemma, who can then help put Sparkplug into an LMD.

>>91657750
>InHumans Mini series is now in production and set to air later this year on ABC.
>Cloak & Dagger is in production and set to air later this year on Freeform (ABC Family).
>New Warriors Series has been greenlit for Freeform. Squirrel Girl is set to be a main character.

Any word on whether the Runaways pilot was greenlit or not?

>>91661149
>If Aida didn't know they died IRL if they died in the Framework she might have to change everything.

Android AIDA took a lot to justify killing Radcliffe (His body at least). Framework AIDA doesn't seem to give a shit. If they are separate entities, then perhaps that violation of her programming, in such an unambiguous way, would convince her to unlock them from the framework.

Any webms of the stinger? The whole "shit is about to go down" face that Daisy had was great

>>91661317
What if Framework Aida is the first one that read the Darkhold and got decapitated?

>>91661317
What if Framework AIDA is actually just the Darkhold? And Looking Glass is the Darkhold trying to free Cthon?

>>91661247
Yup, Jemma is getting attached to the love and joy that Mack have with Sparkpulg... she willl not let her die im sure.

>>91661436
Could be cool. I so desperately wanted to see the High Evolutionary in something but alas

>>91661305
Haven't heard anything, but I think an anon posted casting stuff in the thread last week.

>>91661470
I wanna know the extent of data in the framework. Theoretically, they could bring back Ward as a good guy, Tripp, Patriot and Hope by putting their digital brains into the LMD body. But then would they want to?

>>91661470
She'll download her into Mac's phone. He's gonna rename her Siri.

>>91661528
Agents with super strength

>>91661528
>But then would they want to?

FUCK NO. Once Mack is back in his own mind, he's going to take his shotgun axe and destroy every. Single. Robot out there in a blind rage over losing his cyber daughter.

>>91661563
I was hoping for Agent Cheesecake, but Marvel stopped being fun once Quesada took over.

>>91661317
>If they are separate entities

I'd think they have to be. Otherwise AIDA could just reprogram the framework to have it do whatever she likes it to do. She could have all the heroes imprisoned right in front of her.

>>91661568
Wile Fitz will off himself for all the things he did.

>>91661604
WHo is agent cheesecake

Didn't watch it yet, but will we get a Chocolate Ward and Vanilla Ward team up?

>>91661969
Next week.

>>91662017
Sweet. All we need now is Limey Ward and we'll get the original Ward trio

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>>91661946
An LMD. Useful for crowd control and infiltration. I'm guessing she doesn't get out much any more.

Hi, where are the episobes?

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>this fucking episode

wowwweeee

What does AIDA's robo-pussy feel/taste like?

>>91663751

rubber and lubricants

>>91663751
Batiatus just stuck a Fleshlight in there and called it a day

>>91661032
That's been overclocked by the Darkhold

>>91657942
We need a shot of Chloe and Elizabeth's bums together. It's hugely important.

>>91661039
I dont think it's just going to bring her into the real world.
I think it's going to be an overwrites real reality kinda thing, So mac can keep his daughter and Good Ward can escape into the real world.

>>91659644
Fear (Ch)thong Before All Others

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Damn, this season has been good as fuck

>tfw tripp

>Mack's actor was born in 1970
>he's almost 50 years old

This blew my mind

>>91663751
It's like licking pennies

>>91665139
am I living in the framework

Literally tearing up at the end pls don't be dead mace you are the hero the MCU needs

>>91665267
Google "Mandela effect"

Have fun never sleeping

>>91665824
>people have bad memories

Not that spooky

>>91665687
I guess he's never going to get to notify all of those families that their loved ones are dead.

>>91660797
This show doesn't end until the marvel movies end, it's a straight up marketing tool now

Reminder that Daisy in the real world has been shot in the shoulder and the leg and is half-dead from battling the LMDs.

>>91666440
but what are seconds IRL compared in the Framework though?

>>91666488
Framework is a lot slower.. I dont remember how much slower. Go back to the ep that Aida kills Radcliff and he complained about the time when she brought him out but I don't remember how long he said.

>>91666611
I think Radcliffe said that he "lost track of time" while in the Framework and didn't know 24 hours in the real world had passed.

It's entirely possible that time is "fluid" in the Framework, so that days, weeks, months, even years go by without the real people realizing it.

I mean, Coulson's memory changes are probably the biggest of the bunch, being that he never joined SHIELD in the first place. That's a good 20-30 years that just got info. dumped into his brain before Daisy and Jemma hacked into the Framework. It's possible (if not likely) that the Framework just supplements the info. by filling in the gaps with quantum computing and Darkhold magic to handwave away the "unimportant" bits.

I suspect we're going to get most of the cast out at the end of the season, and while it'll have been a few months for them in the Framework, it'll only be like 3 weeks in real-life, and that some MCU event just occurred (probably GotG Vol. 2) or we see a teaser/plot thread of an upcoming MCU movie (probably Captain Marvel by introducing Carol to the audience as she's interviewing for Alpha Flight).

>>91667151
>I suspect we're going to get most of the cast out at the end of the season, and while it'll have been a few months for them in the Framework, it'll only be like 3 weeks in real-life, and that some MCU event just occurred (probably GotG Vol. 2) or we see a teaser/plot thread of an upcoming MCU movie (probably Captain Marvel by introducing Carol to the audience as she's interviewing for Alpha Flight).

Am I missing something, why would Carol be interviewing for alpha flight the Canadian super hero team which is like half mutants?

>opening credits spoiled Tripp
Damn it.

And even after a few episodes, I just can not get used to Madame Hydra acting like a normal, emotional person without Aida's perfect robot diction. Props to the actress though.

So anyone else figure Darkhold quantum tech super science/indistinguishable from magic means the framework is an actual alternate reality and not a simulation?

>>91667596
Because after two decades of not being able to get a successful relauncb/getting Bendised, Marvel went ahead and renamed SWORD Alpha Flight fter Secret Wars.

Puck, Aurora and Sasquatch are still around, but they apparentlyrics forgot that Walter can turn back into a human.

>>91669144
>The framework is actually a snowglobe in hell
>Season ends with them destroying Aida and the Framework crashes
>Giant silhouette of Mephisto is in the sky
>Ghost Rider shows up again

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>>91663751
pain

>>91669401

Yeah this was a bit weird and random. Was it ever explaines why SWORD is called Alpha Flight and now Wakandan but has the Canadian Alpha Flight's members?

>"I honestly don't know what kind of man I'd be without you, Father."
>"That's why I'm here, Son."

Fitz is so fucked when they get out of the Framework.

>>91670314
>Overcoming brain damage
>To no get mental fucked
Fitz's suffering is just too juicy

Based episode.

>>91669144
Yeah I've been thinking that recently. I think the Darkhold/framework simply allowed them to either create their own alternate reality, or to grab hold of and irrevocably change an already existing one

>>91669575
New Alpha Flight is a Joint Canadian/American/Wakandan initiative.

Just now starting to get caught up. Are any of the main superheroes mentioned? We're they also Killed with that helicarrier targeting system from WS?

>>91671878
They didn't take power in WS. Instead they did a takeover by political means using fear of Inhumans, with Mei's greatest regret was preventing it. Now it might not be very plausible, but I think it's implied that AIDA wanted to fuck with Ratcliffe so she might've nudged it a bit.

There was some good explaination how Tony Stark might've died in a cave, or never went to the cave and remained an idle playboy, Captain America probably being frozen, Thor being a hobo and Loki never making a deal to invade Earth.

>>91671878
Hydra took over before the Avengers formed

RIP, best boy. But sort of predictable. It'll be more impactful if they kill of someone of the core cast.

>>91661890
Yeah poor Fitz is going to be so messed up after this

>>91670314
Or he'll go full Ward on his father.
Closure.

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>>91662133

What about oniichan Ward?

>>91661013

Wait, if she uses her powers does that mean she'll use them in real life? Probably not but still.

>>91661470

Yeah, doesn't hope exist in the real life?

Mack is just getting to be the dad he wants to be instead of the bastard he is now.

Ironically, in the framework he is even more MIA as a father to his real daughter.

>>91661890
This is the main reason I doubt this show will get renewed. They wrote themselves into a PTSD-ridden corner.

>>91675787

Hope died in the real world, that's why Mack went to be with his ex-wife right after screwing YoYo.

>>91663751
It vibrates.

>>91674813

I think that's natural for scotts.

Is it me or is the thought of Mace dying in the framework kind of like going down like a punk?

>>91669453
Oh, shit. Is that how they'll break out? Like they try and try and fail at every turn. And then a glowing fiery portal opens and Robby just walks out?

>>91659644
I'll never get tired of this picture

>>91675907
Yeah, he was saving a virtual kid, literally died for nothing.

He didn't believe Simmons, so of course he would try, but Coulson knows this isn't real, he shouldn't have even bothered to go to that building.

>>91671645
>>91669144
>>91669453
>>91675970
FUCK, I hope you're all right.

From the start it has bothered me that ADA was capable of creating accurate alternate versions of people she never met. Yes, SHIELD has a lot of files on Ward and Tripp and others, but I don't think that'd be enough. The offer to "bring back Lincoln" felt empty because of this.

But if the Framework is not just the Matrix and instead somehow a pocket dimension in hell, or whatever realm the Darkhold gives access to, Ward, Tripp, Hope, the potential Lincoln could be the souls of the originals.

And bringing Robbie back for the finale would bookend the season nicely. Not to mention the possibility of bringing back Ward, Tripp, etc, maybe even giving Mack his daughter back.

>>91660625
The captions said the voice belonged to Bahkshi.

Calling now that Trip and Mack are gonna become black buddies and once Mack gets his memories back, he'll entrust cyber hope to his cyber bro before returning to the real world.