he's not that good

>>91476965
Who is good for you?

The world is a vampire

>>91476965
He is, though.

I can't read the average comic book anymore because the script always seems so sophomoric compared to Morrison's best scripts.

>>91476979
Brian Michael Bendis

Final Crisis was garbage and his Batman run was massively overrated.

Morrison's scripts always have me running to research whatever crazy shit he's spouting about. I learned about chaos magic and was inspired to learn tarot readings because of The Invisibles

>>91476965
His stories are great, but I feel like if he was as good as /co/ thinks he is, Hypercrisis would have made the comic universes real by now.

>>91476979
Yo mama

>>91476965

I'll always love his stuff, but the older I got and the more I've had to figure mundane and philosophical stuff out for myself, the more I get over meta-stuff. What he does very well is descriptions of abstract experiences, like the Invisibles issue where Jack Frost meditates in front of the Archon (a good description of the states of your mind during meditation).

In Supergods he often describes himself as someone that's trying to be cool. I guess even though he has a massive following now, he is still trying. His newer stuff feels like that. For me, not growing up in that regard is his biggest flaw.

He could be a new Robert Anton Wilson if he grew up, accepted reality a bit more and mixed his views with that.

He's been writing the exact same "comics are really real!" introductory metafiction story over and over again for decades. The big revelation in Multiversity was the idea that reading comics can be bad as well as good, and we are expected to actually take this as profound. His popularity is completely baffling.

He has his ups and downs. Sometimes he's very bad, other times he's very good, and sometimes he just makes no sense to anybody but himself and it's fascinating to see his ideas unfold.

I'm very much into All-Star Superman and We3 in particular. I also thought Flex Mentallo was a really fascinating concept that ended up being really inspiring, even if I had no fucking clue what was happening from scene to scene.

I think his meta stuff sort of peaked with Animal Man, though. Coyote Gospel and "I CAN SEE YOU!" are some good shit.

>>91477018
that's way too far, Morrison isn't even the best. Definitely a top 10 big 2 writer but he's not on the level of guys like Sim or Mignola.

>>91477241
Eh, I thought Multiversity was more of a criticism of editorial interference and fan overhype/overthinking.
But I agree he's redone Animal Man/Flex like 5 other times.

>>91477357
>Sim
Fuck off memelord.

>>91477044
I disagree.

>>91477400
What's meme about Sim? yea after like 219 there's only a handful or two good issues, but the whole front end of Cerebus is excellent.

>>91477389
You could dial it up or down to some specific issue or another, but the first few pages of Thunderworld + Ultra Comics are pretty clear about how people are reading/consuming comics "wrong."

>>91477450
Yeah shit like " whatever happened to happy endings" makes my eyes roll right out of my head.

>>91477450
Ultra is an obvious criticism of big 2 storytelling style though. Once the hero grows old and his story comes to an end, the only way to save him is to return him to status quo.
There's a reason why Ultra looks like and uses poses from Miracleman, with Marvel printing stuff (including a Morrison story) that hadn't been released yet at the same time.

>>91476965
Yeah, I still liked Wesley better, but at least he survived.

>>91477442
>muh lettering

>>91476965
Yes he is you absolute faggot
Why else would he be Numbuh 1?

>>91477610
Glad you don't have a real argument. And yea he is a good letterer, and his cartoonish sensibilities are a strength of the comic.
His prose sucks and his madness makes the comic unreadable after a certain point, but those are the only real negatives of the book.

>>91477654
But hey, isn't getting to read a man's descent into a schizophrenic breakdown something fascinating though?

>>91477654
>Glad you don't have a real argument.
I am lampooning the fans that Sim fans have to stoop to complimenting the fucking lettering to find good things about it.

>yeah he's a bad writer and he's insane but the words LOOK good

>>91477674
>prose is the same as comic scripting
Room temperature IQ. Doubt you've read the comic if you don't get my comments about his prose.

>>91477674
>I am lampooning the fans that Sim fans have to stoop to complimenting the fucking lettering to find good things about it.

If you think that lettering isn't a very important part of comics craft and worthy of praise when done in an exemplary fashion, then you're probably the kind of comics fan that doesn't think that inking matters.

>>91477712
>prose isn't writing
Walk in fridge temperature IQ.

>>91477728
pffft
Good lettering can't hurt, but it's ridiculously far down the line of "things that make or break a comic".

>>91477735
>Yea, it's totally fair to just outright call him a bad writer because two sections of a 300 issue comic use prose
>Let's just pretend the 99% of the comic that isn't prose doesn't exist

>>91477775
>let's just use hyperbole
ok champ

>>91477728
The guy literally hasn't read the comic, his opinion is worthless

>>91477790
>If you've read it, you have to like it

>>91477788
Hey you took us there by declaring him a bad writer, and "lampooning" (a form of hyperbole) from the start.
Maybe read the book. Or is a medium they use to teach retarded children too tough for you?

>>91477806
>Or is a medium they use to teach retarded children too tough for you?
I've been reading your posts this whole time though.
Think before you post.

>>91477800
>doesn't understand references to the comic when people make them
>expects people to believe that he read it

>>91477747
Bad lettering can fuck a comic pretty hard.

>>91477814
mate, 4chan is the premiere retard medium. Why do you think we're both here arguing about a comic written by a schizophrenic?

>>91477815
>>doesn't understand references to the comic when people make them
show me where this happened

>>91477828
Because you have a bad opinion and I be tryna' help a nigga get his shit 2getha?

>>91477816
Considering he doesn't realize that a ton of important scenes rely on Sim's lettering for their layouts, that Cerebus is as much a cartoon as it is a more traditional comic, there's no point in talking to him about it. Cerebus always brings out these retards.

>>91477816
see
>it's ridiculously far down the line of "things that make or break a comic".

>>91477847
see
>>91477849

>>91477830
Well for one you're talking about the lettering like it's just the words in the bubbles, where many times pages are defined by the lettering.

>>91476965
I've read a little of Morrison but nothing has particularly compelled me.

>>91477849
>>91477856
>see: you are dense as a brick building
Lettering becomes a lot more important when it moves itself outside of the bubbles.

>>91477883
What have you read?

>>91477847
Is Cerebus a... dare I say... casual filter?

>>91477875
>where many times pages are defined by the lettering
No?
If a comic is defining by its lettering a not its art, there be problems afoot.

>>91477894
>Lettering becomes a lot more important when it moves itself outside of the bubbles.
I disagree.

>>91477883
You're probably a pleb. It's terminal.

>>91477897
A comic is defined by it's drawn imagery, lettering, and script.

All three gotta work in tandem, and the "drawn imagery" part is a big simplification already. Coloring, inking, penciling, throw in mixed media and digital artistic methods and you got a lot of important stuff.

Shit, why am I talking about lettering as if that isn't part of the art?

>>91477896
Yeah, you're a pleb if you like it.

>>91477897
>lettering isn't a part of the art (especially when it's done by the layout/penciller/inker)
You may be too stupid to insult

>>91477936
>Shit, why am I talking about lettering as if that isn't part of the art?
Because when you put your ego aside, you know it's not.

>>91477947
You didn't read my post, because that response is a non sequitur.

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>>91477951
>I AM A HUGE FAGGOT PLEASE RAPE MY FACE

>>91477967
Damn, that writing is b-a-d.

>>91477967
Post Jaka's Story bedroom sequences.

I'm all about that Jaka's Story.

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>>91477951
>I AM RETARDED SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME CLEAN MY SHORTS

>>91477570
Compare the description of Dr. Sivana's plot to the Oblivion Machine. Morrison is not being subtle.

>>91477550
And he's been harping on that same point for years and years now. It was fine when that was just a small part of Animal Man's actual story, but he just keeps going back to that exact same well.

>>91477980
Is this supposed to be saying something?

>>91476965
I think has interesting ideas, but the execution is sometimes lackluster, specially in his more modern work.

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>>91477977
So you hadn't read the comic before?

>>91478000
That lettering is obviously part of page composition and "art" of a comic.
>inb4 "Nuh uh"

>>91478023
>So you hadn't read the comic before?
wat
I'm commenting on how bad that page is.

>>91478042
nah

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>>91476965

>>91478045
You seemed surprised. Rather than saying something like "See this is what I'm talking about when I say Sim is a bad writer" you gave a comment like someone who had never read him before.

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>>91478060
You see to be reaching very hard for a gotcha moment.

Let me illustrate my reaction with an example.

Someone has seen the JL trailer and thinks it's shit.
Someone else posts a still from the trailer in a thread somewhere, calling it good.
The original guy says
>damn, that looks like shit, fuck Zack Snyder etc
to get a rise out of the guy.

Simple stuff homie.

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>>91478091
>>>/tv/

>>91478108
Not even close to an argument.

>>91478116
Neither is "nah" when presented with visual evidence that lettering is comic art, but that didn't stop you

>>91478140
>presented with visual evidence that lettering is comic art
where did this happen

>>91478023
For a guy who obviously has a flair for type and a lot of spatial awareness, Sim's layouts aren't always the best

Morrison is for dumb people who think they're smart

Millar,Ellis, Milligan, Robinson, Jenkins and Ennis better writers just from the same time

>>91479039
Hard to call Millar "from the same time" when Morrison was literally his vehicle into the industry, have the become contemporaries due to their longevity? Of course, but they are not in the same way the others you mentioned are

>>91477389
>Multiversity was more of a criticism of editorial interference and fan overhype/overthinking
So was Seven Soldiers
So was Final Crisis
So was the end of Inc

>>91479021
Sounds like it's appropriate for you

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>>91479069
I just like to throw Millar in there for funsies
but seriously he wrote Superman >>>> Morrison does and is more successful overall
Millar's creator owned stuff has also been way more fun than Morrison's for the past decade

>>91479021
Morrison is for people who know they are dumb

>>91479039
>Millar
>Jenkins
>better writers than Morrison just from the same time

Fuck no.

It would be nice if Morrison wasn't the exact kind of person he advocates against.

>comics should be nice and fun and full of heroes for youth
>here is a comic about meta-fiction, philosophical debate, and with a main cast of mentally ill folk

his JLA is his best work and Waid/Kelly did it better

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>>91479229
dude like people thought of Superman and they thought of the atomic bomb so isn't your mind blown

>>91476965
Honestly?

He's a good writer in many respects but he has stagnated like nothing else. I recall being impressed by the first of his works that I read, which were Seven Soldiers and Invisibles, but after that everything else seemed to be repeating the same shit over and over, but with less finesse.

These days I find his work entirely masturbatory. He still appeals to hardcore capefags, though, because most of his work can now be summed up as "Superheroes are great, here are the things about them that are great!" "Why, Morrison, why are those things great?" "Because they're the things about superheroes that are great!"

>>91479264
>dude like if i generalize i'll look like I have an argument, dude dude

The only good choice on your list is Milligan. Are you seriously trying to argue that Jenkins (who I still think is a better Spider-Man writer than a lot of writers from the last 10 years), who imitates Moore even more than Morrison is better than Morrison? I don't fucking think so.

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>>91479264
dude don't criticize me cause like you're giving in to gentry, darkseid and black glove and like bad writers of our universe

>>91479242
>his JLA is his best work
Fuck no

>Waid/Kelly did it better
Bwahahahah. No.

>lets write about a comic about how comics should be about fun superheroes
>instead of writing a comic about fun superheroes

>>91476965
Hey Millar, why does your surname rhyme with one of Edinburgh's worst neighbourhoods? Hur hur

>>91479229
>>91479335
>>91479320
>>91479264
Are you upset?

>>91479349
Are you?

>>91479351
Ye radge, loon?

whats his best work in your opinion?

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>I'm so smart hurrr durrr but my work won't ever be respected by literary critics like Ware, Crumb or Eisner yet my comic books for kids aren't kid friendly either and I'm jealous of the success of younger writers like Millar, Bendis and Johns

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>>91479384
>an edgelord and the man who killed Marvel are better than a real writer

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>>91479413
those guys are, without a doubt, more successful

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ZOIDS was his best work.

>>91479473
>if you want to be successful, you must be forgettable shite
Another reason to like Morrison.

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>>91479481
>will never get respect of his indie darling peers
>will never see his stories adapted to movies for a bigger audience
>will never actually write fun comics
>never grow out of Moore's shadow

Moore's prose is better if not the best. Also Moore's sense of pacing is brilliant. Morrison's got nothing on Moore. Childhood is idolizing Morrison, adulthood is realizing how profound Moore's work is. Not even memeing.

>>91477357
>Mignola
Not really a great writer desu. Read earlier volumes of Hellboy and you'd realize they've aged a lot in comparison to earlier Morrison work.

>>91479580
>muh movies
>muh shallow definition of fun
/tv/ detected. Opinions discarded.

>>91479602
>profound
Yea, I fapped to Neonomicon too.

>>91479650
Morrison's work is as movie pitchy as Millar's

>>91479688
>if it doesn't have a movie adaptation, it's bad
Definitely /tv/. Have a nice day, casualboy.

>>91479658
And Morrison fapped in your face.

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>>91479745
Forgot the pic

>>91476979
Geoff johns

>>91476979
Literally has nothing to do with what OP said.

>>91479626
You should've realized John Byrne did the dialogue and that's why

>>91482677
considering there is so much "everything is shit" mentality on 4chan, and OP didn't give any reasons why he was bad, it kinda does.

>>91483534
Only for first volume. The horrible exposition to bland characters to poor plotting continue in even later volumes as well.

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>>91477142
They ARE real anon

>>91477728
>that doesn't think that inking matters
B-but it's just tracing!

>>91483672
How this meme called?