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OP is a pretty cool guy and a fag at all
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TTG is great.
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>>91404645
These threads are a shallow excuse for meta-bitching.
In other words, redundant.
How'd I do?
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>>91404696
He said unpopular opinions.
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>>91404645

/co/s ability to turn on comics and cartoons on a dime is annoying as fuck
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>>91404696
its a good way to say what you think without resorting to shitty bait threads
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>>91404730
It's far easier to say something is shit than to explain why you like something
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Creators should think of commercial success of their shows first and MAH DEEP LORE second. It's not networks that make rules when great series get cancelled after one season.
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steven universe is a glorified webcomic with instances of real talent.
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Daredevil show is just a shitty attempt to imitate the feel and characterization of Miller's run while lacking the talent to pull it off properly.
It's not all that different from Kevin Smith's much maligned run.
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>>91404645
I'm not really liking Steven Universe and Star Vs as fully as I think I should. They both seem hollow, cluttered with pointless filler eps, and the characters don't have good chemistry. They lack good plot or characters like Samurai Jack, Avatar, Gravity Falls, and Adventure Time do. Just can't get into them.
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>>91405037
This is quite possibly the most popular opinion on /co/. I think you misunderstood OP.
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Sometimes I feel that /co/ has some of the worst tastes in villains I have ever seen.

For the record: I don't think that only good villains are sympathetic villains or that evil sociopaths can't be interesting. It's the examples of villains that /co/ likes disgust me. Fuck Toffee in particular. The only good thing about him is Michael C. Hall's voice
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Zoophobia was an alright webcomic and if those assholes on Tumblr and the Bad Webcomics Wiki hadn't been trying to dig into Viv's personal life she might be more willing to listen to criticism.
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I understand the character Wonder Woman better than anyone else in the world. I am her biggest fan. I have read every Wonder Woman comic book in existence. I have explored the depths the of this character, I have walked through her psyche, I have witnessed her innermost self. I have observed aspects of Wonder Woman that no one else is aware of, and I know this because I have not seen anyone else talking about these delicate intricacies of this character. The world is not ready for some of the more complex ideas she embodies, and so I contain this divine wisdom within myself. I'm doing you all a favor really. One cannot approach the depths of intimate knowledge I have of Wonder Woman. I exist on a separate plain of understanding than any other mere comic book fan. You cannot approach my levels of awareness.
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>>91407171
Not sure if it's an unpopular opinion or not, but Bad Webcomics Wiki seems like a shitty place to learn about webcomics and shouldn't be given the time of day by anyone
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>>91407397
Yeah, but I probably masturbated to her once, so there!
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I love niggers
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Disney is pure fucking evil and ruining movies
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>>91404645
Adult Party Cartoon is good, as was Breezy.

Bojack Horseman is also good, but not nearly to the extent that it's cracked up to be. It doesn't hold a candle to Moral Orel, which actually knew how to combine comedy and drama.
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>>91404645
I hate cartoons with that 'tumblr webcomic' art style. Unfortunately, it seems literally every cartoon is using it, and I just won't watch, no matter how good it is.
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>>91404645
Steven Universe used to be good
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>>91404645
Cartoons are for children no matter how many retarded adults happen to watch them.
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>>91404645
Post-Frozen Disney is falling into a routine and Frozen 2 will be the low point of the second renesance
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>>91404645
Star vs. the Forces of Evil is extremely overrated and without shipfags would be absolutely nothing.
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>>91407547
That's not even an opinion.
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>>91407508
/co/'s dicksucking of Moral Orel is kind of ridiculous at times. Only the back half of the second season and the third season even come close to living up to the lofty praise. The rest is kind of average.
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>>91404645
I've never liked Samurai Jack and still don't.
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>>91407580
You spelled Adventure Time wrong.
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>>91404645
I like King's Batman
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>>91405825
/co/ has shit taste in pretty much everything.
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>>91407529
For me SU season 3 was some of the best stuff i saw on tv all decade but everything before it has too many dry and slow moments between the good stuff and everything after it is Flanderized that i can't recomend it to anyone.
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>>91407508
I'm the other way around, I don't think Moral Orel was as deep or profound as everyone on here seems to hype it up as, it had its moments in the last season and it was certainly worth watching but a lot of it kind of missed its mark to me, in fact, I think a lot of it was just melodramatic. The character Clay that people on here talk about as "One of the most evil characters in fiction" just came across as overly cartoony to me and I couldn't really take him that seriously.

I think Bojack gets roughly the amount of praise it deserves, maybe a little bit more than warranted, but I think that's just because it's a new show and people are excited about it.
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People need to stop posting on /co/ when they're horny. How many waifu/lewd/fetish/basically porn threads do we need?
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>>91407719
As many as there are steve universe and samurai jack threads.
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>>91407719
But only young men post on 4chan... right?
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The Smurfs and Alvin and the Chipmunks were never good.
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I don't give a shit about comics.
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>>91404645
Spiderman Homecoming looks like ass and doesn't deserve the praise it gets
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>>91407769
No, some are old, but all pretend to be female. /co/ has an awful obnoxious amount of faggotry, thanks to /cm/.
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Avatar the Last Airbender is a 10/10, I acknowledge that the Lionturtle is an ex machina and don't really care. The romance is written well.
Steven Universe is a good show. Star vs is also a good show. Steven Universe is better.
I like to stream over downloading.
>>91407719
this
>>91407781
I don't hate you Boco. In fact I sometimes look forward to seeing you around.
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>>91407796
Well if 4chan is male-only, how do you expect them not to post when they're horny? I mean, /r9k/ says men are always horny!
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>>91407807
Shut up Boco.
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>>91407807
Man, I agree with you on all points except for liking Boco.

Maybe we can't be friends after all.
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Dick Grayson is the worst member of the Batfamily. He's an uninteresting hypocritical slut who does nothing of importance. Jason> Damian> Tim> Dick is the order of how interesting they are.
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>>91407397
And your point is?
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>>91407815
Well, if /r9k/ told you to fuck a bridge, would you?
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>>91404696
>These threads are a shallow excuse for meta-bitching.
Are those wrong? This board has gone to shit because of all the bullshit. Besides, everytime someone tries to make an actual meta thread they get deleted, even though Hiro said it was fine.
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Jason and Damian add nothing and need to be retconned.
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>>91407877
>Tim> Dick

I cannot accept this
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>>91407877
>Damian above anyone
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>>91407877

I admit that Jason has come a long way and Damian may suit some people. But Tim fucking Drake??? How is he more interesting? He doesnt even have the looks to back him up.
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>>91404645
Cartoons are better than animus.
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I have more Marvel on my pull list than I do DC

I come to this bored solely for the comics as most of the cartoons Fandoms on this site have been less than desirable to converse with
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>>91407966
Whatever animus is, maybe.
Anime? No fucking way.
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>>91407877

I agree with everything except Damian above him. Damian is annoying and useless add on. Jason is my fave robin . Speaking of Batfamily shit characters: Helena B in the nu52. Just a slutty spy with no depth or personality that she use to have.
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>>91407995
>not knowing animu

Pleb
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I hate The Loud House . it is the most repetitive, poorly drawn and the most cringe worthy show that Nickelodeon ever produced.
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>>91407877

This is truly an unpopular opinion in the mainstream, but I think the robin fanbase is divided enough that it might not be a unpopular opinion overall.
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>>91407807
>I don't hate you Boco.
Thanks for keeping on topic.
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>>91408063
It's not poorly drawn.
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>>91404645
Kubo, shota Aku and shota Jack need porn..
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Love and Rockets is really underwhelming.
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I don't understand why dc and marvel fans are at each-other's throats over each and every single little thing.
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Rick & Morty really isn't that good. It's mostly just crass humour inelegantly married to sci-fi cliches. Futurama pretty much did everything it tries to do a million times better.
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>>91408277
Blame crossboarders/secondaries for the console wars. Most, if not all, of that shit comes from moviefags.
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>>91407897
That's irrelevant. Stop changing topics.
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I also think that there needs to be some kind of quality control in the animation industry so things like Monster Trucks and Norm of the North stop showing up in theaters.
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>>91408277
Its all /tv/. This shit didn't happen until recently. When all of those Batman movies nobody argued. When the first wave of Marvel movies came out nobody argued. When even the shitty movies started to come out like Green Lantern nobody cared.

But now the moment BvS and Skwad comes out it turns into nonstop shitposting.

/tv/ ruins everything.
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I like Tara Strong. Good range of voices, good to her fanbase, constantly showing off her knockers
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>>91408458

Well, at least with Monster Trucks the studio knew it was shit ahead of time.

Although why they didn't just dump it on DVD who knows.
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As a comicfag who doesn't watch SJ, I don't mind all the threads about it. Same with Steven Universe.

Star Vs. makes me mad. I don't know if it's because of the art style, the countless threads or the cancerous cuck/trapposting.

Not /co/, but related to what I just wrote: Trapfags are the most obnoxious fetishfags in this site.
>IT'S NOT GAY IF IT'S X
>MUH FEMININE PENIS
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>>91404645
internet animation isn't some "movement" that's "saving cartoons". It's actually the cancer that's helping kill them
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>>91408505
I think it's the art style, I used to hate the show before I got through season 1. Still triggered by cuckposting.
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>>91408489

I don't think that's an unpopular opnion
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>>91408277
Checked em.

It's a rivalry thing, and people who pull both and enjoy both treat that rivalry with laughter and smiles. However, there are people who are loyal to a single company and feel the need to tear down whatever it is that they are against. THEN you have the real problem, which is posters who migrate from /tv/ and /v/ who don't read either comics and just start company wars for (you)s. The best thing you can do is just ignore them and continue to enjoy whatever it is you happen to be reading. You'll find a thread or two every now and again where company wars are a non-issue.
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>>91408688
You wouldn't know given the amount of angry kids that go "REEEE PONIES". Whats equally hilarious is her acting slutty on twitter or facebook or whatever is somehow a bad thing on this board.
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>>91408740
t.brony
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>>91408688
See what I mean?
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>>91408762
Case in point
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>>91408796
But I like Tara strong tho I just hate mlp.
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Sticc > Thicc
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Steven Universe and Rick and Morty hate threads are just as bad if not worse than the fanbases they criticize. In SU's case it's a bunch of people bitching about fandom shit and posting screencaps from tumblr, which is something that tumblr would do, while in Rick and Morty's it devolves into meme posting and "reddit and memey" spouting, which feels terrifically like a reddit-tier circlejerk. Furthermore, fans of SU are aware of its problems and recently have been criticizing the fuck out of the show themselves, while just spamming memes and calling Rick and Morty reddit isn't an actual criticism of the show itself, so they don't actually accomplish anything. The fact that threads of this nature have been going on for months now is growing pretty thin, and some people are starting to apply the same treatment to any currently airing or recently ended show that they don't like.
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Rick and Morty is the best show on television ever, it has the best art style, plot, music and themes.

Jack, SU and Star fags can all go fuck themselves because their pathetic shows don't even compare to it.
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I don't really care for all the waifuing this has had on /co/, I legit like this shitty movie.
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>>91404645
I like mlp and i'm actually looking forward the movie this year
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The entire concept of wifu a shit.
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I wish more alt-comics guys could talk about comics without being snotty assholes looking to start shit.
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>>91407633
That's people in general.
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>>91407693
>The character Clay that people on here talk about as "One of the most evil characters in fiction" just came across as overly cartoony to me and I couldn't really take him that seriously.
And none of the characters in Bojack have that problem?

>>91407693
>I think Bojack gets roughly the amount of praise it deserves, maybe a little bit more than warranted, but I think that's just because it's a new show and people are excited about it.
Bojack received more attention and accolades in its first year than Orel ever has. Bojack also had more viewers. Bojack is practically mainstream while Orel is a cult within a cult, it isn't even a success on Adult Swim.
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>>91407589
And does Bojack Horseman live up to that praise? They're ostensibly the same kind of show, except one actually gets credit for it.
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>>91407547
>tfw anon is so stupid he can't even read the threads OP
What's next, water is wet?
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>>91404684
Don't even joke like that.
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I fucking hate any show that tries to do the "strong female protagonist" bullshit. Making them anything other than damsels or a sidekick that stays out of the action is a fucking joke.
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>>91409962
>>>/pol/
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>>91407580
>>91407602
For me, it's both.

I really wanted to like Adventure Time too but it's clear someone on board has relationship problems and is projecting them in the damn show.
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/co/ faggots should scare off newfags more so we can maybe have less retards and low quality posts around here.
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>>91404645
/co/ has pleb taste, most threads are capeshit or CN.

People that use reddit and tumblr as buzzwords are worse than the people they mock.
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>>91410031
b-b-but /co/ is wuuuv ^_^
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>>91409962
Wholeheartedly agree and I'll even go further: women are always boring characters in any work of fiction.
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>>91410031
you should kill yourself, to be quite sincerely transparent with you, phamilia
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>>91410131
Now that's what I wanna see
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Main character romances are legit the most boring things ever. I like secondary character romances because at least they're more like an appetizer instead of something that (usually) gets in the way of more interesting things.

Totally not bitter that every time I ship something in any form of media it sinks...
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>>91410221
>getting into shipping
That's your problem
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>>91404645
Bomb Queen is a good fun comics.
Ultra is great.
Mark Waid is overated, his Ka Zar and FF were terrible comics
Kirby's design of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants is Liefeld level garbage
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After all the mud that it's been dragged through by fangirls and show creators, Zutara as a concept deserves one good crack at the idea.
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>>91408729
>people who pull both and enjoy both treat that rivalry with laughter and smiles
Yeah, I'm just fucking annoyed because I can't discuss anything without the thread derailing into company war shitposting.

/co/ truly went to shit in the last 2 years. I honestly don't know why I come here anymore, the comic discussion is absolutely terrible. The problem is, I can't find any other forum on the internet where it's better, seems like comic book fans are inherently autistic retards for the most part.
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>>91410221
Shipping in all forms is complete and utter garbage
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>>91404645

I really hate the PC direction Marvel is going.
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>>91409962
>>91410096
We need to allow female characters to wear as skimpy outfits as they do in anime.

Children should be taught early that women are just pieces of meat to lust over.
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All females are idiots who lack the intelligence to create anything valuable.
If something is written by a woman, it's 100 percent shit.
>inb4 muh Jane Eyre, muh Frankenstein
Total trash compared to even the most mediocre stuff male writers created.

>>91410415
We don't need female characters at all.
And anime should be wiped off the face of the Earth because it's all shit.
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I didn't like the ending to Life is Strange. It ignores the rest of the story's internal logic in order to force a tragic ending. I was not demanding a perfect happily ever after, but I was at least expecting a reasonable conclusion that made any goddamned sense.

And yeah, I know this has fuck all to do with comics or cartoons, but nobody else on this board gives a shit about them. So why the hell should I?
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>>91410415
>>91410458
>>>/pol/ is that way.
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>>91410538
You mean >>>/r9k/
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@91409962
@91409990
@91410096
@91410415
@91410458
@91410538
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>>91410628
Is this your first thread?

Like, ever?
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>>91410516
Everyone thought it was shit
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>>91410628
Treating (you) like it's an ebin upboat is one of the biggest problems that modern 4chan has.
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>>91404645
I like dipping my food in the milkshake it came with
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>>91410678
>>91410820
Not that anon, but y'all niggas are taking some weak ass bait.

Pic related, it's (you)
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>>91407911
What does Tim add exactly? At least Jason has the whole anti hero thing going for him,
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>>91410391
Hardly an unpopular opinion.
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>>91407904
Yes, they are wrong, and those threads get deleted due to violating global rule 6
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>>91410318
>not coming here for cartoons
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>>91410307
Pretty sure you'd need a full reboot of the entire Avatar franchise before anyone touches it with a 10-foot pole again.
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>>91407904
>Besides, everytime someone tries to make an actual meta thread they get deleted, even though Hiro said it was fine.
Nine times out of ten people just use the "Hiro said we could" excuse to post some fucking stupid bait or make absolutely retarded demands of the board/mods that will never happen. In every board I've seen try to make meta threads using that rule it's always to make some fucking awful shitpost.
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>>91404645
I enjoyed Moana much more than Zootopia
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I still like Marvel and always will. I loved shit like Spidey, X-Men and Hulk. Grew up with em, were my first ever comics.

Marvel have made some shit decisions, but I'm hoping they do a Rebirth-type thing somehow and fix it.
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>>91411982
I feel the same way about DC. Of course I don't feel any disdain for Marvel fans nor do I understand the whole Marvel vs DC debate.
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>>91411853
Haven't seen it yet but I've been told there isn't much moaning in it. How veracious are these claims?
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The Golden Age, socialist, "Man of the people," take on Superman is one of the best versions of Superman and it fucking kills me that it's hardly ever utilized in the modern age, when many of those values are still relevant today. We didn't get nearly enough of Golden Age Superman shenanigans in Morrison's Action Comics. DC should really put out some kind of ongoing featuring that kind of Superman putting corrupt politicians and businessmen in their place and whatnot.

>>91407781
Is this really all that unpopular?
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I really like Wiccan. Though not when Gillen is writing him. Is hating Gillen's writing an unpopular opinion?
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>>91412030
Yeah I actually don't understand the level of autism required to do company wars. Rebirth has been fucking amazing and has made a Batfag like me love Supes to the point I might now be a Supefag.
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I enjoyed Son of the Gun more than The Metabarons. The art wasn't as good but I felt the story was better.
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>>91407781
Complaining about shows made for toddlers is absolutely pathetic.
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Original Teen Titans Robin was one of the most compelling and coolest super heroes ever.
>Obsessive work ethic
>Supreme fighting ability
>Extremely logical (unless Slade makes him go into stalker mode)
>Has all the coolest shit

It's sad what they did to Robin in Teen Titans Go.
They took everything that was good about him and flandarized it, then shit all over him every episode.
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Kyle Rayner is shit. His only real character trait is being long-suffering, but come on, all superheroes put up with bullshit.

Conversely, John Stewart's stoic military man routine is what the GLC franchise needs.

Loud House is no better than The Show That Must Not be Named. In fact, it's even worse because of the sheer amount of annoying, one-note characters.

Camp WWE worked if only for one reason: Vincent Kennedy McMahon.

The Looney Tunes Show was cancer. You can tell it started out as a planned generic sitcom on TBS, there was zero creativity involved.
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>>91412177
All they did was give everyone beast boys personality.
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>>91412036
Well not much moaning but..
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>>91412177
He was the biggest male Mary Sue I've ever seen. And I've seen ATLA, obviously.
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I always hated 90% superheroes. heroes reminds me of celebrities. and I only read the comics for the villains
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Most comic books are convoluted messes that need to be ended as soon as the character dies.

The characters should age real time and death should be permitted.

Alternate universes are great and should get more consideration for movies and cartoons.

Most political messages hidden in cartoons these days are too ham fisted.

The 90s and 80s have been a true bane to creativity.
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>>91412451
>80s have been a true bane to creativity.
that was the glory days of comics though
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>>91412445

My man.
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>>91412451
Anon, you can end any comic at any time just by not reading further.
Haha just kiddng.
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>>91412177
To be fair, they flanderized everyone.
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>>91404669
People on /co/ are only hating on Samurai Jack season five because normies like it and keep making memes with each new episode
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>>91412720
Extreme hate threads are usually the work of one anon.
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>>91412066
So you want Superman to be a soapbox for liberals?
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This was one of the worst Punisher runs.
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> Fear Itself is a genuinely decent Thor & Cap arc and among the better events we have gotten. Great art, cool designs some good tie ins (the grey gargoyle stuff, bucky's return epilogue issue) No notable mischaracterizations or anything offensively bad like many other events.
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>>91409843
>And none of the characters in Bojack have that problem?
Not really, none of the characters are cartoonishly evil mustache twirlers in the way Clay was, sure he was given some back-story that was well written but it didn't really justify how over-the-top his character was, and I just couldn't take him seriously. I think if in the third season, we saw a scene where Clay rapes a baby, at that point, I would have just thought "Sure, why not". The characters in Bojack for the most part feel at least realistic and act reasonably.

>Bojack received more attention and accolades in its first year than Orel ever has. Bojack also had more viewers. Bojack is practically mainstream while Orel is a cult within a cult, it isn't even a success on Adult Swim.
That isn't really the fault of either show, sometimes great shows become popular and get the attention they deserve, and sometimes they go by unnoticed, it's pretty much a written rule for animated shows for a target audience of above 15 that isn't Family Guy, there's a huge list of great shows that were just never fully appreciated and I'm surprised that Bojack is getting enough attention. At least on /co/ Moral Orel has its share of fans who give it plenty of praise, I wouldn't have watched the show if I hadn't heard so much about it from here, and after the few episodes I had caught beforehand just seemed like the typical "Let's make fun of Christians" brand of "edgy" humour people thought was rebellious in the mid-2000s that I don't think ever was and fortunately Moral Orel was able to overcome.
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>>91413039
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoW08MConp4
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I watched the original Samurai Jack and liked it. But I want /co/ to shut the fuck up about Samurai Jack. Fucking 12 threads at any given time all sucking its dick.
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>>91412177
Wow, I got two double 7s in the same thread. What are the odds?
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>>91410031
Yeah, because that worked so well for /a/...
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>>91413323
1/10000
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>>91413323
Thanks for reminding me

Fuck dubs, trips and any other type of get. Also fuck anyone who treats them like they are the best thing ever to the point that they come into threads just to mention that you got them.
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>>91410031
Fuck off /@/
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>>91412066
Have you read the novel "It's Superman!" by Tom De Haven? Because I think you would really like it, and I loved it.
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>>91405130
Based on all the SU threads and how you can get banned for no reason in them. It's a minority opinion, not unpopular.
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>>91413403
what happened with /a/? since i started watching older anime and stop caring about seasonal show i don't go down there since 2014
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>>91408486
>/tv/ ruins everything.
I came here to post this.

But this is not an unpopular opinion I don't think.
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>>91413629
It's shit because they're stupid enough to think that whole Boku no pico defense actually works, it doesn't.
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>>91413704
well, the board have been seeing a rise of ironic weebs since 2012. i can only imagined how it is today since ironic weebs are at their peak. the otaku culture being in the state it is today doesn't help either
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>>91404645
Teen Titans go and Powerpuff girls 2016 are better than Samurai Jack and rick and morty
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>>91413277
Movies and cartoons bring all the lazy illiterate spergelords out.
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I think adventure time is better than it's ever been and enjoyed breezy
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/co/ is getting worse and worse. The mods keep deleting threads and posts even when they follow the guidelines
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>>91414726
I agree. I think it's much better than anything else on Disney/Nick/CN right now.
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>>91408952
Rick and Morty is mostly viral marketers jerking each other off. Harmon is an egomaniac who probably saturates it so he can feel at ease
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I like watching VO Buzz Weekly.
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>>91415643
>4chan is getting worse and worse. The mods keep deleting threads and posts even when they follow the guidelines
yup, i concur with you
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I like some Nick Spencer's work and even agree on some of his points that he rants about on twitter
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>>91415753
>>91415643
I'm sure they weren't cancerous shitty samurai jack threads.
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>>91415643
It sucks because I know of no other place to talk about cartoons and stuff without it being constant dicksucking.
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>>91404645
I think Beast Boy and Raven should not be together.

Anyone with even an ounce of relationship experience knows that opposites do not attract, especially if they have been hostile to each other for years.
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Hiroshitmoot needs to do something about the mods of this shit board, its literary no "no fun allowed" irl
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>>91416233
>"no fun allowed"
please tell me your definition of "fun"
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>>91416223
They're teenagers of the opposite sex. Snarking at each other somewhat isn't exactly uncommon.
Now, if they were actually hostile, you wouldn't see all those deep "platonic" moments between them.
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>>91416223
It's definitely one of the most cancerous pairings. It was zutara before zutara.
>>91416260
More samurai jack threads probably. Or maybe he's that obnoxious faggot that keeps making gargoyle threads.
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>>91416317
No they can be "platonic" all the hell they want but the way they get onto each others nerves shows me that they are not fit for each other and anything they would have would not work out in the end, which it didn't IIRC
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>>91415643
If you want a real hoot go into the archives, look for a drawthread, and look at how many requests they delete that adhere to board rules. Or even just threads in general, sometimes they get bonked for seemingly no reason at all.
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>>91416362
>More Samurai jack threads
>MORE

Fuck right off
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>>91416472
BB and Raven is one f the WORST ships ever. Beast Boy is annoying and already obsessed with Tera anyways, and I honestly cannot imagine Raven being interested in any ordinary earth man. She would he more likely to date some cosmic superintelligent being like pic related.

I would like to see a version of the Teen Titans where BB is even younger, like around 12 or 13, and Raven steps in to be more like a big sister to him, because he's kinda the baby of the group who has trouble keeping up with the others. She would become his support without going into all kinds of weird, sappy emotions.
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I dont like Black Cat, at all. Shes a low rent Catwoman, another fling for Peter, and mostly popular because shes fap bait
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>>91404645

>Flanderisation of characters is called out often incorrectly, and is an incongruous term at best as no-one can quite agree what Flanders core traits are, what is character progression, and what episodes buck the curve.
>The only three major flaws of Steven Universe are the season 1 outfits, the hiatuses, and the crew's decision to keep townie and monsters in different episodes
>Mabel acted exactly as a 12 year old would do, she's not evil, she's just naive and exactly as strong willed as you'd expect a 12 year old in paradise to be
>Gravity falls ending was never going to give ALL the answers, and that's honestly a good thing. All it takes is one lame reason, and the lore can get ruined (see X Files and the ever changing intentions of the SAME group of aliens).
>TTG isn't terrible, but it really doesn't warrant the love CN gives it.
>Beast Boy is shafted in everything he's in, and I'm really glad he's not in the mainstream DCEU
>MoS was perfectly fine. The crystal lore was actual kryptonite to the Superman series anyway, the lighting was fine and yes, people do have to die in a superman film or else there's zero damn stake.
>What's more unbelievable is that the Kryptonians didn't cause more damage
>Ironheart's concept isn't terrible, just take Izuku Midoriya's pathos and slap it onto her if you really can't write a fucking protege story
>Scooby Doo 2 Monsters Unleashed had the best actors for Shaggy and Scooby we will ever get in a live action film
>Zutara was always an awful ship, literally anyone else Zuko could end up with makes more sense.
>That being said, it'd be great to see Aang go full Elliot Rogers on the fire nation
>Moana was extremely overhyped; it's about as good as Atlantis, if not worse
>And I like Atlantis
>The new designs for Raven are sub par
>Hellboy has had stupid arcs too (see where he's the heir to the Briton throne), and I'm genuinely sad that the movie universe isn't getting a followup
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>>91404645
superheroes are overrated
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>>91404645
Each earth should get it's own set of new gods and they shouldn't be treated like an untouchable sacred cow.
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>>91416791
>Ironhearts concept isnt terrible
Except it is, worse even, flat out lazy. I don't mind Stark taking on a protegee, but the "I made a suit on a dare in my dorm" shit is dumb, and she could have been a cool character without putting on a suit to begin with. As of now, shes another pet character of Bendis
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>>91404645
Anyone who thinks that it's new that Marvel has just become progressive is kidding themselves. Their books have always had a liberal edge to them. I mean, Jack Kirby made Black Panther because he thought it was messed up that black people weren't being represented in comics. The X-Men under Claremont morphed from being weirdos with powers to allegories to racism and homophobia. Captain America has always been for the 'American Dream' and has been pretty accepting of things that went against the norm. Iron Man had a clear narrative of how corrupt the Industrial Military Complex was corrupt.

My point is that Marvel being progessive isn't a problem. The problem is bad writing and priorities. I mean, compare America to God Loves, Man Kills as horrible as that may be.

Although they try to tackle similar issues, GLMK is miles better as it tells a story before anything else while America just spews a political agenda before telling a story.
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>>91416958
>how corrupt the Industrial Military Complex was corrupt
Goddamn it I am an idiot.
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>>91416940
Whats wrong with having the New Gods, and old, exist outside the multiverse anon? I mean I like elseworld stories as much as the next guy, but even I wouldnt want an endless stream of slightly different Darkseids being written. Moreover, having an infinite number of god characters is rather boring
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>>91416472
I'm not familiar with the comics, anon, but even from this single page (and other snippets I've seen) I can tell these are very, very different characters.
As for getting on each others' nerves, I'm afraid not every relationship can be as perfect as that of Robin and Starfire. People are different, anon.
>>91416679
>he's kinda the baby of the group who has trouble keeping up with the others
I have to question whether you even watched TT.
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>>91417031
Lol, if you get on peoples nerves enough there won't be a relationship. Even the cartoon they were at odds constantly.
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Star vs the Forces of Evil is currently the best ongoing cartoon right now. Sorry Jackfags, I don't give a shit about him running around with tumblr yoda on his back talking to himself and slicing up bugs or robots. Sorry SUfags, I don't give a shit about lesbian silicoids plotting to invade or fighting for Earth. Sorry ATfags, I don't give a shit about Finn crying about being friendzoned.
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I love Tank Girl and Jamie Hewlett, but Gorillaz fucking suck. They're a poor man's Handsome Boy Modeling School.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYaqZ9r3K14
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>>91417103
Honestly, for all the criticism I personally have of the new season, SJ is in a league of its own. Have you tried watching it (original or new season)?
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>>91417103
Star vs is insanely overrated. It's not bad, just painfully mediocre.
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>>91416679
Maybe not that cosmic being but I can see her going for a super intelligent being on par with Brainiac 5.
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>>91417184
For an early 2000s cartoon, perhaps.
For a 2010s cartoon, which it obviously is, it's rather amazing.
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>>91417161
Yes anon, I have. I didn't say it was a bad cartoon either, certainly worthy of second place in terms of a show with an ongoing arc, but it's the same plot it's always been. Jack needs to get back to the past and kill Aku. I don't really care to seek out the episode and talk about it in the sticky with all the other crossboarder/normie scum, but I'll usually grab the Jack episode later and watch it out of nostaglia if anything. Star on the other hand seems to be developing into something much grander, it certainly feels that way from the season 1 finale to the season 2 finale. There is also much better character development and interaction, I don't know what this faggot here >>91405037 is talking about unless he just meant SU and added in Star to throw people off his trail. The characters in Star especially the titular ones have been developing immensely and the interaction between the cast is stellar.
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>>91417102
But being at odds doesn't mean you hate each other! Their personalities inherently clash to some extent, but as long as their connection runs deep they could be in a fulfilling relationship.

Plus, there's always the possibility one or both of them will grow out of their personalities.
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Mr.Enter isn't shit because of his opinions, he's shit because his presentation is obnoxious and loud.

RWBYfags can no longer use the excuse of good character design and music to justify liking it unironically. Red vs Blue is the only good thing RT is producing and it deserved more praise than RWBY.

I think it's okay to like Star Vs for the Starco/Jarco aspect and it's annoying to see people discredit the show because of it. The cuck jokes are getting old though.

Samurai Jack has officially reached that point on /co/ where criticism is not allowed. It'll be treated as 'reddit garbage' the moment the season ends, just like Rick and Morty last season.

Alex Hirsch not wanting to work with Disney any longer does not excuse the fact that Gravity Falls was rushed and terribly suffered from not having a third season.

Clarence would be confirmed for a 90th season by now if the artstyle was as half as appealing as Loud House's.

/trash/ is a better /co/ than /co/.
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>>91417320
I'm not saying they hate each other but I am saying being at odds makes them incompatible. They have little in common and as I have said before opposites do not attract.

Lets be real the only reason they were put together is they were the only parring left in the show. The only other regular male in the show was Cyborg.

Beast Boy should have been with Terra personality wise, with the exception that she betrayed them of course.
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GR15 set a dangerous precedent for why /co/ is so bad today. If you bitch and whine enough, the mods will cater to you and you'll get what you want, regardless of sense. Even though GR15 was inevitable.
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I never liked SU even in season 1.
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>>91417477
So who should Cyborg have been with?
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Frank Castle is one of the most heroic characters in the current MCU.
All of the other capes are more concerned with
selfish bullshit like their public image than they are with actually helping people.
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>>91404645
I actually dont want to know about Rick's past with his wife and Beth. I just don't think its necessary and I want Adult Swim to get back to more episodic scheduling
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I found the original Samurai Jack boring, what with it's unstructured narrative and dull protag with each episode summing down to "Jack does cool things".

So far the new show looks better with an actual set end and more focus on Jack's character.
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>>91417639
Buzz Buzz buddy!
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>>91404645
AT only gets better the later it goes. Season 6 is the best so far.
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>>91417802
Do you mean season 7?
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>>91417439
>Mr.Enter
Agreed. He doesn't seem to understand how real people talk, which is especially jarring when he tries to make jokes. Feels like he's trying and failing to imitate some other critic.

>I think it's okay to like Star Vs for the Starco/Jarco aspect
Sure, the show definitely thinks so. It's a little disturbing how many people pleasure in Star's misery, but I kind of get it. Probably a lot of Gravity Falls backlash went into it.

>Clarence would be confirmed for a 90th season by now if the artstyle was as half as appealing as Loud House's.
I'm not really sure about this. The artstyle certainly plays into it but I also think people are dismissive of Clarence (the character) and dismiss it as another boring SOL about a wacky retard. Also, Loud House's artstyle isn't all that great, other than the comic aesthetic.
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I enjoy Rick and Morty and Steven Universe.

I occasionally purchase Funko Pops because they are more affordable and they have some characters I like.

EU Star Wars stuff (mostly the comics and games) were pretty good and I still like them.

Legend of Korra wasn't that bad.
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>>91417841
they're about equal imo, they both have some of my favourite episodes in the show.
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>>91417955
>EU Star Wars stuff (mostly the comics and games) were pretty good and I still like them.

It took me far longer than it should have to realize you didn't mean "European Union". I was wondering if there was a whole other set of Euro Star Wars comics I didn't know about.
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I like Snyder's movies.

Thought Dawn of the Dead was amazing. Everyone was gay for 300 when it came out. Really enjoyed Watchmen, MoS, and BvS and while I recognize their flaws still willing to defend them all.
Suckerpunch was meh but still unique enough to be interesting.
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>>91417439
>/trash/ is a better /co/ than /co/.
No it isn't and I question people who believe that if they even been in threads other than their main general threads.
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>>91417680
>unpopular opinion

This is the general consensus on /co/ literally every time The Punisher comes up.
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>>91418059
I prefer s7, but it's nice to see s6 get some love. Criminally underrated season.
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>>91416625
/co/ should become /sj/ but allow the occasional off-topic non-SJ thread for old time's sake.
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>>91418165
the tower is one the best self-contained character arcs the show has ever done, and I think is the beginning of its use of tarot symbolism? But yeah I really love s6 as a whole too.
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>>91418388
but yeah s7 has varmints, stakes, and hall of egress, all of which are really great too.
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Best Villain of the past 30 years coming through.
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I enjoy Captain Hydra and Nick Spencer's set up for Secret Empire
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>>91418497
Don't forget Flute Spell.
My favourites of s6 are EftC, The Tower, Little Brother, Is That You, and You Forgot Your Floaties. I liked the Comet too but everyone seems to hate that one.
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>>91418629
yeah I loved the Comet, but I'm really into all of Moynihan's episodes in s6 and s7. He seems to be a big sticking point for people who don't like late AT.
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>>91413603
Never heard of it, but I just ordered it off of Amazon. Thanks, anon.
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>>91412915
That's exactly what Superman was when he first started out.
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Western comics should always have a closed universe and never create cross over events.
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>>91418500
that's not unpopular
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Hunter Zolomon's comic counterpart should wear a costume similar to CW Zoom's
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>>91419668
One event every ten years would be okay.
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EMH is the best capetoon.
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>>91417146

ugh, 10/10 I cringed hard
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>>91413039
Thank you, anon. Finally someone agrees.
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Spider-Gwen's costume looks like absolute dogshit.
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>>91410516

I hated it as well, but I get what they were trying to do.

They wanted to ram home the whole Butterfly Effect theme about how actions can have unintended consequences. On paper, Max accidentally causing the Storm seems like a natural conclusion to that theme.

But they way its handled feels hacky and transparently emotionally-manipulative for several reasons.

> 1. The characters never really take the Storm seriously until it's here. As a result it suddenly appearing feels forced despite the fact it was foreshadowed since episode 1.

> 2. The story's climax is Max confrontation with Mr. Jefferson. Everything after that feels like an overly-long epilogue.

> 3. Max's sudden realization that the Storm is caused by her powers and that she needs to sacrifice Chloe comes out of nowhere and feels forced.

> 4. The Storm calls into question why the fuck Max was even given these powers in the first place, and the story has no real answer.
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I don't know why /co/ never talks about Dreamkeepers, it's not any worse than half the webcomics that get posted here. I think the sparkle/rainbowdog characters turn people away.
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Bendis and Johns are the same person
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>>91409707
~except me, of course~
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Daredevil>Iron Fist>Luke Cage=Jessica Jones
The MCU shows are more interesting than the movies.
Every DC live action show is shit, though Arrow was once good.
MoS and BvS are better than every MCU movie, though SS is garbage.
Bendis is a great writer on street level heroes.
Damian Wayne is a terrible character and only tolerable in Tomasi’s Batman and Robin
Ed Edd and Eddy is a terrible show with horrendous voice acting, a vomit-inducing artstyle, and irredeemably grating characters. Same goes for American Dad
Pixar hasn’t made a decent movie since the first Toy Story.
The Incredibles is disgustingly overrated and a genuinely awful film that doesn’t even look as good as Pixar movies that came before it.
Inside Out is also incredibly overrated, but looks nice and is merely mediocre.
Zootopia is just okay.
The new MvC and Injustice games look terrible.
I find r34 utterly repulsive, doubly so if it's characters I care about
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How to train your dragon was way better than Toy story 3
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>>91410737
I liked the game. I didn't like the Sacrifice Arcadia Bay ending, though. It was undeveloped, but the fandom LOVES it purely because Chloe gets to live. Fucking Christ, learn to kill the things you love sometimes and stop being a bitch.
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>>91410516
Since we're doing that
I have a feeling that Nicolas Winding Refn is the only person who can actually make horror movies (with the emphasis on "horror") these days, not the same bags of old tricks we've seen thousand times before (hi, Paranormal Activity, Conjuring, Sinister and the rest of the same derivative boring shit with slight alteration to fool casual horror fans into thinking like they're not watching the same dreck they've seen thousand times before over and over), dramas with horror flavor (nothing wrong with them, I loved We Are What We Are for instance, but it's not really a horror movie. At least not in my opinion) and unfunny horror comedies. Neon Demon and Starry Eyes are some really good shit.
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>>91421229
I liked Luke Cage much more than IF, but I kind of agree.
Jessica Jones is one of the most overrated (outside of 4chan) show and every single "professional" review I've read praising it reads like it was written by an easily impressionable 15-year old. Oh, and Kilgrave is just a terrible and an unbelievably overrated villain even on 4chan.

>>91421229
>Arrow was once good.
No.
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>>91407719
As many as our libidos desire. And unless they make /eco/, you're stuck with us.
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>>91421751
It would be a disaster, just like /aco/.
We need to get rid of all the degenerates first.
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Patreon is cancer and has helped to destroy webcomic culture and internet artists
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>>91421793
/aco/ would be fine if the mods on /d/ hadn't thrown a shitfit and shunted all the weird fetishes there. Jap Moot needs to talk to them.
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>>91416791
>>The only three major flaws of Steven Universe are the season 1 outfits

Hold on, nigger. I'll give you Pearl and Amethyst, but Season 1 Garnet is vastly superior to her season 2 design.
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>>91421229
>insults EEnE
Congrats, you're the first person to hurt my feelings in this thread.
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>>91404645
While it isn't without problems, Legend of Korra is better than what /co/ makes it out to be.
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I still enjoy SU, even if the past few episodes were kind of trash.

Haven't been able to keep up with the new Samurai as much as I've wanted, but I really do enjoy it so far, with few qualms.

I like it whenever we get Godzilla threads, even if I'm not even really sure if that's our sort of thing.

Lapiven is best SU ship and anyone who says otherwise is a fag
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>>91410516
That's not unpopular. Here's an unpopular one.

Chloe and Max make an absolutely fucking awful romantic couple. They'd be completely dysfunctional and would never make it together.
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>>91412284
Not really. They did a good job in the Slade arc of showing how these components of Robin can drive him too deep down a rabbit hole if he's not careful. His intensity and fixation on solving a problem were portrayed as having troublesome implications.
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>>91421229
>Ed Edd and Eddy is a terrible show with horrendous voice acting, a vomit-inducing artstyle, and irredeemably grating characters.
I will never for the life of me understand the love it gets.
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A Zutara direction with proper buildup would have made Avatar better.
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>>91423393
It's among the greats for precisely timed slapstick humor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bIrW0VhTx8
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>>91404645
All live action threads should be banned and shifted to /tv/.
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>>91423367
One minor flaw that isn't even a real flaw doesn't change that.
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>>91404645
Mark Wade is not evil and probably actually a pretty cool guy.
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>>91404645
Watchmen is fedora shit.

Most britbong writers are only occasionally worth reading and American writers are historically much better.

Manga is better than comics overall.

Batman Adventures was the best Batman comic ever.

Superman Adventures was the best Superman comic ever.

Frank Miller's 21st century output isn't even that bad. Like half of it is actually worth reading. The only outright indefensible things he ever did are DKSA and Holy Terror.
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>>91404645
All Punisher adaptations are garbage.
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>>91404645
The Nu52 should be completely undone and not just bits of it with Rebirth.

Superman should wear trunks again
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>>91404645
Over the Garden Wall was bad.
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>>91423434
not a remotely unpopular opinion
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>>91423434
I agree honestly.
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>>91409354
Muh African American
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I hate SU
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>>91424517
That's not an unpopular opinion. Mods just don't give a shit about /co/ or what people here want.
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>>91417439
>/trash/ is a better /co/ than /co/.
This is a good one. Moving zootopia and loud house threads there because they turn to porn is like banning guns because some people use them for crime. It should say some pretty strong things about the moderators when they ban the threads instead of watching them and actually moderating them. But doing their job is too much work I guess and its easier to just arbitrarily come up with new rules
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>>91427976
Does questioning the mods get you banned?
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Our mods are incompetent retards who should all kill themselves.

>>91428536
Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.
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>>91407693
Clay is more of a "ordinary evil" kind of bad guy. Which kinda make everything worse, since it is the most realist kind of bad guys...
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The idea of shipping is fine, it's always been around.
But the fact that people actually fucking argue and get upset about which cartoon character should fuck who is the most retarded thing I have ever seen in my life.
Why the hell can't people just keep it in their heads?
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>>91407877
I'm a Timfag, but I can understand why some people would perfer Damian. Still why the fuck is Jason on the top?
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>>91417439
>RWBYfags can no longer use the excuse of good character design and music to justify liking it unironically. Red vs Blue is the only good thing RT is producing and it deserved more praise than RWBY.
Kill yourself. Season 3 was great.
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>>91404645
Steven Universe sucks
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>>91404645
>I liked MoS
>I think Clay Wonder Woman origin is fucking retarded, less in line with Greek Mythology (despite Greek Mythology being just as colorfully retarded)
>Fucking hate Damian Wayne
>Batman isn't that cool
>Garth Ennis Punisher is hit/miss and super inconsistent because Garth wants to be as edgy and insert as many opinions as possible and put it in place of storytelling all for rhe sake of jerking that sweet punisher cock into his
>Edgy superheroes are actually autistic
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>>91404645
Pretty much every cartoon airing right now is trash.
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>>91429607
>I think Clay Wonder Woman origin is fucking retarded, less in line with Greek Mythology (despite Greek Mythology being just as colorfully retarded)
Explain
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>>91429665
As in --
I think Wonder Woman being an organic child born of Zeus makes more sense than her being a clay-person. Though I like Donna Troy being a clay person moreso.
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>Brian Azzarello is a talentless retard
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>>91408493
Budget. The damn thing cost $125 mil. No way they can just send it to DVD without someone going bankrupt.

Also:
> TMS is not the "savior of animation". (sorry if famicunt comes in because of this)
> Rooster Teeth as a whole sucks, not just RWBY.
> Korra would have worked much better as a full-fledged series from the start and not a constant barrage of 12-13 episode mini seasons.
> Seasons 4-6 are the only seasons of The Simpsons I can enjoy fully.
> SatAM is worse than Underground in everything but visual design and animation (and some of the voice acting).
> Agreed that Enter isn't inherently bad, but he is obnoxious as fuck.
> First three seasons of FG, while not horrible, are not as great as others here make it out to be.
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>>91417439
you can like something unironically and still be aware it's fucking terrible
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>>91417439
>Alex Hirsch not wanting to work with Disney any longer does not excuse the fact that Gravity Falls was rushed and terribly suffered from not having a third season.
Not having an extra season is not an excuse for bad plotting. Extra season would just add extra bad plotting.
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Futurama was never even close to being as good as peak Simpsons and is vastly overrated. There are a couple of brilliant episodes but the average quality, even before the movies, was only decent at best.
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The industry would be a better place if the Big Two collapsed.
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>>91404645
I don't really like samurai jack and I think it's ridiculous how it gets to have like 10 threads open while other shows only get 1
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>>91429607
>I think Clay Wonder Woman origin is fucking retarded, less in line with Greek Mythology (despite Greek Mythology being just as colorfully retarded)
Literally based on the Greek myth of Pygmalion and Galatea you ignorant fuck. The people on the internet and in our society in general who talk the most about mythology are the ones who know the least about it. If you knew mythology the way I do you would not have said something that stupid. Having born of clay makes the character, taking that component away is the equivalent to having Krypton not blow up, or letting one of Bruce Wayne's parents live, it completely breaks the core concept of the character that makes her who she is.
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>>91404645
I will never understand all the sadistic/masochistic threads with Star vs
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>>91405825
I have always thought as much. I personally like well done force of nature style villains.
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>>91429357

>great

The S3 finale contained a super predictable death and gave the main character some new crazy OP power from absolutely nowhere. Better fight scenes don't excuse the fact that RWBY's plot is a cliched mess unless they did fix things in S4, because after that trainwreck finale I quit watching.
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>>91430504
It doesn't "get" anything. People want to discuss many different aspects of it, so they start threads.
You should feel free to start another thread about your favorite show as long as it's not a general.
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>>91429632
It's really pathetic that is an unpopular opinion, but you're quite right anon.
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There is no meaningful difference between anime and other cartoons, or manga and other comics. They can be compared directly and each series judged good or bad based on their own merits. I can understand liking material from a particular country because you enjoy that particular foreign theme or a particular studio, but liking or disliking anime because "it's anime" is just stupid.
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The 2000s had worse cartoons than the 2010s
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>>91430504
I actually like this because it's the way that boards operated for years before generals. Granted, no show should be forced into only one thread. I can deal with people talking about shows that I don't like.
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>>91404645

I like Rick & Morty and think it's funny
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>>91432095
Decent cartoons are outliers. Decent anime isn't.
>>91432560
GTFO with that shit taste of yours.
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If 4chan truly wanted to separate itself from reddit, the (you)s should be removed.
People aren't posting what they actually think, they're posting the most controversal opinion so that they can get the most replies.
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>>91432642
Would you prefer i take my shit taste OUT of the unpopular opinion thread and into the rest of /co/?
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>>91432707
>implying there's anything wrong with that
>implying there's anything wrong with contrarians
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>>91432757
No, I'd prefer you talk about it. Sounds like you missed out on many of the best cartoons ever.
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>>91404645
>MLP FIM is a good show, although nowhere near as great as the horsefuckers tend to think it is
>John K hate is a little undeserved. He should criticize his inability to finish projects not some belief that he fucked Katie Rice, seriously it's like SJWs who try to dig up dirt about someone they don't like to make him seem like a rapist or something.
>Steven Universe is a disappointing show with great talent but wasted on filler and shitty storytelling
>We should get rid of the Animators Union which has driven so many jobs away from America and into Worst Korea
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>>91432794
To be fair, I live in Quebec, so most of the cartoons I grew up with were Canadian and it sounds like the whole world is pretty much in agreement that those are awful. The only cartoons I really liked were 90s cartoons, as well as Spongebob and Duck Dodgers.

I didn't start coming to /co/ until I got into more modern shows like SU, Young Justice and Gumball. I realize typing all of this out though it's a pretty skewed perspective.
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>>91432707
This is the dumbest shit I ever seen.
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I like Ashi and look forward to seeing what they do with her.

I'm also fine with any of the potential relationships between her and Jack.
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