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No Gorillaz Thread? The new Album is dope guys, and I just watched Saturn Barz in VR - awesome.
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The Gorillaz are now less a band and more a platform to shill celebrities on. None of the characters resemble who they used to be and the studio makes a habit out of shitting on Jamie's ideas whenever he suggests the Gorillaz do anything with their canon or animation (i.e.: 50% of why anyone gave a shit about them.) Now their sound is lazy, autotuned and the exact same thing rather than experimental or alternative.
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>>91123048
Yeah that 360 video wasn't honestly amazing. And I've liked every single song so far. This is a good one.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MBF0ErjMOc


People just miss the "golden years"
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THE BATH
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Bunch of fags in here.

I had the songs in my head for days, I can't fucking stop.

Anyone has the leaked songs?
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>>91123116
ok
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>>91123643
Wait they all leaked?
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>>91123048
>The new Album is dope guys

it's not even out yet
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Music is pretty bad senpai. Music video was a huge step-down and not enjoying the lazy generic autotune. The models were oddly lazy, like PS2 era graphics. The pizza face especially looked like a generic version of one of those face reading apps.

The Vince staples track and Andromeda were pretty good though, if the rest of the album stinks at least I have two new tracks to enjoy

>>91123291
>Shaun Ryder being a weirdo drunk on stage

wow what exactly is your point? You can even hear Damon trying to yell ITS DARE over Shaun's autistic melt-down trying to save the last leg of the concert.
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>>91123048
>The new Album is dope
>dope
Will you millennial shits learn to speak properly?
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Also in other news... New Little Dragon soon. Hope they get another feature.
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>>91123116

I wish this shitpost wasn't so true.
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>>91123922
I don't think there's older people than 35 in this board anon.
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Where to get the non-censored VR version?
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>>91123996
That is good news. I listened and really enjoy little dragon because of plastic beach
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Is there a plot for this album? What's going on?
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>>91124204
No, just like s/t and dd
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>>91124149
Hell yeah same. I'm going to their show next month.
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What would you look for in a Gorrilaz cartoon?

Would you want it episodic where they write/perform songs in every episode?

Would you want it where its a stylized retelling of the lore?

Would you want it in the semi-realistic style of Stylo/Do ya Thing?

How would you want Noodle and Cyborg Noodle to interact?

Would Murdoc be written as just an asshole or a misunderstood genius?

Who would act as recurring minor characters?

What's an idea for an episode?
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>>91123856
the cgi is lo poly, its a pretty popular artistic choice people have been utilizing a lot in the last 4-5 years, nothing to do with laziness
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>>91123856
This >>91125343
I can see how people think this was anything but intentional
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>>91125395
It's pretty obvious when you look at the worm and his drawn blurry mouth.
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>>91125395
>>91125458
I meant 'I CAN'T see'
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Saturnz Barz would improve tenfold without Popcaan and auto tune bullshit, prove me wrong
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>>91123116
The characters and the virtual band conecpt are MASSIVELY underutilized I'll give you that
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>>91124031
I am and saying something is 'dope' is something I used to say in high school during the 90's when I was still a stoner.
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>>91125203
2D looks ready to suck some cock.
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>>91125650
Are you black? This may be the trickle down effect in action.
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I think the lack of hype was a marketing mistake on Gorillaz part.
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>>>/mu/
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>>91126064
>lack of hype

???
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>>91126064
I think if Damon were a smarter person they'd have loads of money to spend on cool marketing shit, more cartoons, and bomb ass tours. But instead they fizzled and came back twice now.
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>2D and Murdoc may as well be husbands now
>2D exists solely to look as gay as possible
>Murdoc went from a greedy selfish dickhead manager strategist only in it for the cash and broads to le gross man
>Russell formerly the straight man is now literally C-Lo Green
>Noodle went from the band's daughter and designated soldier to a literal Lindsay Lohan style coked up whore

I'm glad you didn't live to see this, Robot Noodle.
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>>91125395
>>91125458
>>91125512
Don't really care unless it was statement on how fucking awful autotune is. I've only liked low-poly when it's used deconstructively, or it fits a general aesthetic. It would have been nicer if each of the three apparitions had a different art style, instead of 10 seconds in Maya pizza, low poly worm, and low poly arm thing. All the other assets are well designed or hand drawn then warped to work in the 360 view. It would have been better if the whole inside of the house got a sort of Gumball treatment.

To me, it just looks like they had to go ahead and use the placeholder models instead of finalized ones to meet a deadline.
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Are they still canonically a band or are they just a group of friends getting into scooby doo adventures?
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>>91123856
>Music video was a huge step-down
What. It's definitely some of the best 2D animation yet in a Gorillaz video.
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>>91125520
>This song would improve without most of the song
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>>91126302
Still a band,
Though I don't know if they returned to the Pre-Plastic Beach convention of music videos just being music videos or whether or not they had a reason to check out a haunted house.
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>>91126302
I think the plot this time is they're going on a trip/or searching for home, through space. Like Damon said, they're transitioning
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>>91126307
Not really, the 2d stuff is alright, but it's no Stylo, or what Rhinestone Eyes would have been, or On Melancholy Hill, or basically anything from Plastic Beach.
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>>91126619
I didn't care for any of the videos in Plastic beach. This one blows them all out of the water with the 360 version.
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>>91126619
>It's no Stylo
Which was 3D?
Rhinestone eyes wasn't finished so you can't say that. And it is just as good as On Melancholy Hill.
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>>91125631
I agree with this, they have been really underutilized and its such a shame.
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>>91126047
White guy from a white Canadian suburb. Used to wear jean jackets, listen to grunge and industrial, and play hacky sack like a stereotypical white suburban 90's kid.
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>>91123788

WILL SOMEONE ANSWER THIS MAN'S QUESTION, I'M CURIOUS TOO
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>>91125631
>>91126721
It's very very expensive to do on the level Gorillaz is doing it. I don't even know where Gorillaz got all the funding it has but I can't see another project getting this much funding unless a rich person thought it was a good idea. Japan has an easier time with this because their culture is embracing of animation.
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>>91123788
>>91126874
I saw clips of them. Look up recent Gorillaz threads they've been posted in there.
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>>91126665
>360 meme
Wow it's really impressive that they managed to make something that game jam devs do in an hour.

>>91126686
2 minutes of original animation positioned in a 3D animation = Dirty Harry's music video =/= 4 minutes of original animation positioned in a 3D environment

>>91126686
Stylo's animation is far better than the 2D in this video. Also yeah, I can say if Rhinestone Eyes had the same effort that Melancholy had it would be their best music video they ever made.

>>91126887
Damon Alburn between Demon Days and Blur is a very rich man. And Warner invest a good deal of money in them.
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>>91123048
Question never answered in last thread. 2D has a reason to stick with Murdoc do to Stockholm Syndrome, but why does Russ and Noodle?

Also someone has claimed that Murdoc is like a father figure to Noodle. Where does that come from? I highly doubt it.

Side note the wiki said that Robo Noogle might still be around, think we will see her again?
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>>91126936
When did Russ get shrunk is a better question.

Every lore point brought up by Plastic Beach got dropped after they spent all the money on Stylo, so don't expect anything much in the way of any call backs from that era
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>>91126928
>Dirty Harry's music video
Not nearly as well animated as Saturnz Barz. The only thing that was animated in it was 2D. The kids just blinked and stood still.
>Stylo's animation is far better than the 2D in this video
If you like 3D sure. That's not being argued right now. Rhinestone Eyes wasn't made so you can't make that argument no matter what.
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>>91126936
They seem to have fun together. That's all the reason needed. Plus Noodle doesn't have any home to go to other than the band.
Murdoc isn't a father figure. None of them probably are. It's a very strange situation. They're probably more like brothers. Noodle wasn't that young when she showed up.

>>91126990
Russel shrunk down over time since he wasn't swimming in the ocean anymore.
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>>91126997
Someone needs to rewatch Dirty Harry, or just the MTV cribs thing they did, pretty sure that had loads more actual animation than Saturn. And standing still and moving slightly is what the characters do for over half the video in Saturn, not really helping yourself out on that one.

>>91127018
Wasn't she like 10 or something in phase one?
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>>91127045
>the MTV cribs thing they did
You need to rewatch them because their animation was really not great at all.

> standing still and moving slightly is what the characters do for over half the video in Saturn, not really helping yourself out on that one.
Have you even watched any of these videos? Comparing Saturnz Barz's animation with Dirty Harry is just retarded. Watch them again.
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>>91123048
More white people need to listen to popcaan
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>>91127179
Yeah, and you're acting like the animation in Saturn is comparable to Motorcity, the animation isn't any better than Plastic Beach era, and is comparable to Phase Two. Just because they saved up enough money to have Koreans do their tweening doesn't suddenly mean the music video is their best work ever.

>>91127206
Just listen to Future, both put in the same amount of effort to their mumble autotune rap.
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>>91127286
>you're acting like the animation in Saturn is comparable to Motorcity
What are you talking about?
>Just because they saved up enough money to have Koreans do their tweening
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>>91127360
He's gotta win the discussion no matter what.
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Who are bigger stans? Eminem fans or Gorrilaz?
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I'd like a Gorillaz cartoon on adult swim or mtv.
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>>91127681
Stans?
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Love all 4 songs I got. Well, I don't love Ascension. But I still enjoy it.
Listening to them on repeat now, I can't get them out of my head.
Need more videos.

DO MORE FUCKING G BITEZ YOU FUCKING FAGGOT JAMIE
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>>91127723

>mtv

Please no
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WHY THE FUCK IS THERE A PIRATE RAPPING ON SATURN BARZ?
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>The Boogie Man, Cyber Noodle and 2D's ex won't ever be mentioned again.
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>>91126259
If they age Noodle would be almost 30 now. And she, at least, has obviously been aging as time goes by.

It's natural for a concept dependent on the character being a literal child to change as they become middle aged anon.
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>>91127540
Yeah, sometimes when autism speaks you just gotta let it talk until it tires itself out.
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>>91126408
Yes.

Damon's vocals were pretty good.
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>>91126307
The animation by itself was good. The video was just not very impressive outside of that.
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>>91128161
Everything that we know from Do Ya Thing is considered to be non-canon now, which is a shame.
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>>91128768
Does it matter anyways? They hang out in an apartment and nothing else.

I'M THE SHIT
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>>91128768
even when it was released Do Ya Thing didn't line up with canon, if anything it was to be considered a dream 2D is having
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Lets be honest, gorrilaz was best around this time.

This was also their best album and they might never be as good again.
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>>91128857
>even when it was released Do Ya Thing didn't line up with canon
It did, though, before The Book Of ___ character stories were released. Even Russel retained his gigantic size.
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So was the album leaked?
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>>91129431
No
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Dude, what if Daft Punk did a collab with The Gorillaz?
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>>91129513
likely more interesting than the ones featured on this album, but I think they don't like playing with non-rappers anymore.
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>>91123048
Album would be better if there was less rap in it. Far too inundated with niggermusic to be proper gorillaz
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>>91129513
If you had brought up that idea 17 years ago sure, nowadays not so much
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>>91128807
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH
I DO IT CAUSE I'M CONVINCED
I DO IT CAUSE I'M THE SHIT
I'M NEVER ON THE FENCE
UH
I'M NEVER ON THE FENCE
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH I'M THE SHIT
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>>91123643
I only have Busted and Blue
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>>91128921
That's one of the best albums of all time so it's not too bad.
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>>91129513
There's nothing Daft Punk can do that they can't do already
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>>91129537
I didn't know Noel Gallagher was a rapper
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Are any songs playing on the radio? I don't listen to the radio so I don't know.
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I love Saturn Barz and Andromeda and like Ascension and We Got The Power. As for Hallelujah Money... well, I like the lyrics. I don't find the actual music all that memorable, I think that black dude with the Henry Spencer haircut is some sort of spoken word artist but his contributi9lon to that song is in that weird spot between spoken word and actual singing where it seems a bit awkward to me.
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>>91128020
THE BATH
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>Mfw GOOD TIMES GOOD TIMES GOOD TIMES GOOD TIMES GOOD TIMES
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>>91130339
It won't be on the album so don't worry.
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>>91130647
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[Start Saturn Bars]

HAHA WAYOI
DERELYENGOINDA WASTAH HAHAHA
[WHERE THE FUCK DO BEGIN?]
CHOP
ALL MOI LOIF
ME EFOV ME ONES SO ME AFFA MOVE SHAHP LIKE ME KNIFE
ALL MOI LOIF
ME PRAYES SAY WHEN ME GET WEALTHY AMAH ON ME WIFE
ALL MOI LOIF
DEHS DIS TING FO SMIFF IH BE A KILLA JUS LIKE RODNEY PRICE
ALL MOI LIFE
NAH ALL MOI LIFE

WAN TEH KYOBI SUM BOI DON KNOW ME
DEY OMMER OF DEM CAN BELIEF AH GRANDMA NJOY ME
NO AH FEW POPCAN SONGS AH I'M FEELIN NOMI
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>>91130795
>White person's first time listening to raggae
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>>91128921
This and this.

The last album had tracks more fitting for a G-sides album and it has way to many collaborations. The songs were missing the Gorillaz flair that the old albums had and by the sounds of it this new album is turning out the same way (But I do like Andromeda).

Demon Days was Gorillaz in its prime if you ask me
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>>91130806
Actually Gorillaz first album made me start downloading Dance Hall stuff in my PSP (original) when I was in school. I also enjoy the rastah shit on gta. I actually really like Saturn Barz. Just think it's funny.

I an I be a rude boy, femme boi?
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>>91130843
>Phat PSP
Blessa blessa

This shit was fire as a kid man
https://youtu.be/tOhf4YRLrt4

Yeah, Saturn Barz production is great, and since I enjoy some reggae myself, I love it.

Andromeda is just a lovely chill piece

Ascension is hype, but the lyrics are dumb imo

We Got The Power is cool, but not my favorite.
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>>91123996

Will this be the album where they finally have a good song?
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>>91125203
I imagine it'll be like Class of 3000. Just with Gorillaz characters.
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>>91130817
>>91123048
C-Sides when?! I just want the track from the Russel PB trailer.
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>>91131332
Didn't they already release that one?
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>>91123643
live version of saturnz barz is stuck in my head for days now.
>>91123788
1.ascension
2. stobelite
3 saturnz barz
4 momentz
5 submission
6 charger
7 andromeda
8 busted and blue
9 carnival
10 let me out
11 sex murder party
12 shes my collar
13 hallelujah money
14 we got the power
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I want to nut in that Noodle.
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>>91133218
That's just the (incomplete) tracklist. He's probably referring to the actual album
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>>91123048
Where's the album. I checked spoty and there was just single shit.

Also most of the singles kinda suck.
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I miss the more organic sound of the first two albums and the varied guests and styles.

One of the best things about Gorillaz was seeing styles and features that you wouldn't think would ever work end up working in a great way.

The new album just feels like perfectly fine written modern pop and rap, but nothing overtly exceptional or boundary pushing.
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>>91133433
The album comes out next month
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>>91125203
I was fine with it just being little shorts like the ones we've already gotten. No real story, just whatever random bullshit you happen to be coming across.
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>>91123048
I kind of want them to make a finished video for 5/4 with the updated designs.

We only have the animatic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lWKt4vxOdg

They've already had Murdoc do full frontal and Youtube has an age filter so there's nothing to hide anymore. Plus the lecherous rock star shtick works better when he's older.
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>>91128921
Plastic Beach is just as good, if not better. I may be biased though because I saw the Plastic Beach tour live

>>91131332
Not official, but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SklXnYX_l1Q
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>>91134615
Sea-Sides is ok, but some of the tracks are fanmade while others are from different albums entirely Apple Carts is from Dr. Dee and Solider Boy is from Topley-Bird's album using a sample from Snakes & Ladders, a scrapped song from phase 2
It's a shame because I believe Damon once said that there's at most 2 hours worth of plastic beach material that he hasn't released
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>>91134615
>at most 2 hours worth of plastic beach material that he hasn't released

What a fucking cunt
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>>91134780
meant to reply to >>91134706
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>tfw no liberated woman sitting in my lap
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ITT: not muh

Is that really what you guys want? the same thing we already had? Don't get me wrong, I love DD and PB, but the thing I enjoy so much about Gorillaz is that their music is always about experimenting and trying new things, every album is totally different from the last, with different musicians, music genres and styles. Even the songs on a single album are totally removed from each other, yet have an overarching theme, binding them.
When they announced that they were gonna do a new album, my first thoughts weren't "oh boy, I hope they'll make something like demon days again" My first thoughts were wondering what the fuck I was going to be in for and waiting to be surprised by the band
So far I'm really hyped by what they've released already
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OFFICIAL ALBUM RANKINGS

DD >= PB > Self Titled > Humans(Thus far)

THUS GOD HAFT SPOKETH ON HUMANITY
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>>91136549
Would you rate humanz better or worse than The Fall
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>>91136608
I literally forgot that album exists, it's becoming the Invisible Wars of this band. I would say:

DD >= PB > Self Titled > Humans(Thus far) >= The Fall

I do like the experimentation on The Fall but it's not something I can just put on and know I'll enjoy.
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>>91126259
>>91123116

it's kinda ironic how they had a song knocking generic pop groups and how they don't want to be like them yet they pretty much are slowly becoming another generic pop group
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>noodle’s a little bit tired ‘cause it’s just gone past her bed time, and um, we was watching zombie movies and she got really tired so she can’t come she’s only 10

>Even though I’m the youngest, you could say I’m the big sister of the band. I comfort 2D when he has a bad dream, and Murdoc when he has a bad trip. I calm Russell down when he gets angry about the world’s problems.

>Noodle’s mood was resigned and quiet, a doleful disposition that Russel picked up on.To lift her spirits, Russel bought her a jetpack from the store Tokyo Hands, which seem to take her mind off her nomadic existence for a while

why cant we get more cute moments like these
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>>91138465
Because the writer of gorillaz isn't currently with the band
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>>91131104
I will fight you
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>>91137524
>they had a song knocking generic pop groups
when? what song?

And the four new singles are definitely more pop orientated than their earlier music, but they're not generic.
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I'm loving what we've got so far this phase, but damn am I sad that they haven't made any effort to top Demon Days musically or aesthetically.

Demon Days = D-Sides > Gorillaz > G-Sides > Plastic Beach > Humanz (as of now) > The Fall

Also why is it that Murdoc's aging backwards? Is this part of the immortalism? I was hoping he'd have a more horrifying design.
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>>91138465
Because Noodle has grown into a fag smoking trashy 25 year old. Which isn't weird considering her influences.
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>>91142642
>haven't made any effort to top Demon Days aesthetically.
They tried with PB
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>All the characters from Kong Studios, before it was ruined, were frozen in a freezer, including Noodle's pets.
>2D's dead corpse is STILL on his Kong Studio bed.
>Cyber Noodle isn't even acknowledged after Murdoc was picked up in the ocean.
>Paula Clark hasn't done shit since she fucked Murdoc behind 2D's back
>Murdoc turned his crow into a fucking statue.
>we'll never get an interactive site like Kong Studios and Plastic Beach again.
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>>91128921
Brian "DJ Dangermouse" Burton is a genius producer. Everything he touches turns into a good album.
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>>91142406

I'm pretty sure the fact that they send the most like pop music is why they released them as singles in the first place.

And even then... you can't tell me they don't sound like Gorillaz songs except maybe for Ascension.
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>>91142815
I wouldn't hype up Dangermouse on this album. This was his first time producing something that wasn't from his bedroom and he admitted that damon helped him out a lot during the production
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>>91142865
what does a Gorillaz song sound like please educate me
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>>91142757
>Paula Clark hasn't done shit since she fucked Murdoc behind 2D's back
>Paula mattering ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=288QlF_v1og
>6:43
Quoting the eternal words of Jamie
"Who the fuck is Paula"
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>>91143021
She was the front guitar player before fucking Kawaii Uguu showed up.
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>>91143042
Try reading the entire post next time anon
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>>91143021
Fucking remember the lore, fuckboi.
>>91127459
Before Noodle showed up, the band was called Gorilla.
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>>91142406
not him but he probably meant Superfast Jellysfish
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>>91143021
>planned tv series
>planned movie
Fucking get off your ass Jamie, and do something.
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>>91142929

Well, many of them are composed of two kinda different styles that compliment each other, you can hear that in Clint Eastwood, in Dirty Harry, in Stylo, in Empire Ants and also in Saturn Barz. There are also Albarns vocals which have a bit of a sleepy, ethereal quality to them which lend a certain contrast to those of wh9ever they're working with, if they don't take center stage, like in Andromeda. They're also that lush but also somewhat detached sounding instrumentation lending the songs a bit of a otherwordly quality. And that's kinda contrasted by these more straight forward hip hop beats that have always been a pretty big part of their music.

Of course they've also made a lot of songs that don't exactly fit into that scheme but most of the ones we've heard seem to fit in pretty well with their work as a whole.
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Tbh of the five songs I've heard, Andromeda is the only one I've given a second listen to. None of them compare to anything on Plastic Beach in my opinion.
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>>91123048
Shouldn't this be on >>>/mu/
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>>91143525
Not at all.
Gorillaz has always been /co/.
Better discussion here than /mu/ anyway.
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>>91128921
It's still good, but part of that might be the nostalgia of the void it filled in our teenaged youth.
At least that's how it's felt. Every album is different, so it feels weird to try comparing them.
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what was the worst retcon or dropped plot point?

>noodle was trapped in hell, but not really, she just faked her death
>russel taxidermy animals vs kong studio demons
>ocean bacon
>murdoc went to hell to rescue noodle, but not really, he was just drunk
>russel and noodle rescue 2d from the whale, except they didnt
>noodle eye scar
>the entire do ya thing video
>2d and noodle zen bond, whatever that means
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>>91123048
because they're a meme band and the album is taylor made for reddit
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>>91125203
>How would you want Noodle and Cyborg Noodle to interact?
romantically
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>>91136182
I liked The Fall you fucking fan boi cuck. Not every case of not liking things is not muh. It's just not very fucking good. Change is fine but not every change is good. This new stuff? Not so good. You understand?
>>
>>91136182
this
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>>91123116

This is true.. like, who in Saturn Barz is Noodle, or Russell or Murdoc? You dont know..

The only album where each of these characters had a role was the self-titled first album. After that, they've just been characters to put on music videos. I guess thats their role now. Being the band's music video characters.
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So uh.. the band just kinda got back together like nothing happened during Plastic Beach?

No android Noodle, no gigant Russel, no kidnapped 2D, etc?

Theyre so damn inconsistent with these things.
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>>91128921

Nothing Gorillaz do will ever top DD. Just like nothing Daft Punk does will top Discovery.

>>91129513

And the music video aired on Toonami.

MFW
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Just some peppermint tea for me
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>>91123643
The songs are cool and all but nothing to write home about.

Maybe the other ones will be better, that jamaican accent in that clip was hard to understand
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>>91133218
link to charger:https://my.mixtape.moe/lxzwbs.mp3
saved for obvious reasons
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>>91145224
>Theyre so damn inconsistent with these things.

i mean murdoc has always been an asshole but with plastic beach he kind of crossed a line. if they ignore that I'm gonna be pissed. I mean if at least they make a little mid-life crisis joke or if they explain it with the fan interpretation of noodle being his sort of morality chain
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My dick aches for her lads.
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Well, I'm downloading a bunch of Gorillaz songs right now together with some ELO songs too.

What are you guys listening? I'm looking for something new
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>>91149673
Your dick would have to be either insane or gay not to ache for phase 4 Noodle.
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>>91149755
get the new Charli XCX and some Yukiko Okada.
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It's fucking real.
ALL MUH LIFE
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>>91149814
I thought Phase 3 Noodle looked great too, but Phase 4 she's more developed.
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>>91149755
Flaming lips, mr. scruff
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>>91146967
>hard to understand
I couldn't understand a thing, to be honest.
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>>91143117
Read the post directly above yours
Fuccboi
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what did she meant by this.
all of it
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>>91142406
>>91143181
i was going say rockit but that one works too

rockit's video is basically them walking through a clipart wasteland over a bunch of zombified headshots of various popstars with the message "REJECT FALSE ICONS" at the end
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