‘The Batman’ Delayed as the Script is Rewritten From Scratch

>>90744860
>A day later, it was reported that everyone was happy with the latest draft. Affleck, Chris Terrio, and DC Comics writer and CCO Geoff Johns were among those who worked the first version of the screenplay, which reportedly featured Batman facing off against Deathstroke.

>While the internet’s knee-jerk response to reshoots and rewrites in general is to shout “Trainwreck!”, this actually sounds like good news. This means that Reeves, a talented director and a fine match for the Dark Knight, isn’t simply taking on leftovers – he’s actively involved in tailoring the film to his sensibilities. It’s not clear who is responsible for the new script quite yet, but this feels like everyone slowing down, taking a moment, and setting out to do this right rather than rush to meet a release date.

>At this rate, a 2019 release for The Batman sounds about right. However, the more important thing is that Reeves and Affleck aim to make a great movie, not hit a release date.

I can wait for it. Good things come to those who wait. Get well soon Ben.

Well this is going ok

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Good time for a REBOOT

>>90744987
I could go for some ReBoot right now.

>>90744876
>A day later, it was reported that everyone was happy with the latest draft.
I remember everyone calling Hughes a bullshitter for saying it was going to be rewritten when this happened. Funny how things turn out.

>>90744860

>>There are two ways to look at all of the noise surrounding The Batman, Ben Affleck‘s upcoming solo adventure as the Caped Crusader. One narrative is that Warner Bros. has no idea what to do with their DC comic book properties. The other is that The Batman is hitting speed bumps because everyone involved is actively working to get this one right and want to avoid disappointing fans who were let down by Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice and Suicide Squad.

Riiiight.

I wonder which one it is.

>>90744860
>Evans.png

>>90744860
>One narrative is that Warner Bros. has no idea what to do with their DC comic book properties.
>The other is that The Batman is hitting speed bumps because everyone involved is actively working to get this one right and want to avoid disappointing fans who were let down by Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice and Suicide Squad.

Right, because the Nic Cage/Tim Burton Superman movie was stuck in development hell because it was such a great undertaking.

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>>90745074
Got you senpai

>>90745089
Now post the BvS one.

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>>90744860
Was all this joviality before or after Ben checked into rehab?

>>90745089
Now post rich evans

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>>90745117

And The Flash STILL has no director

>>90745250
They'll bump it up now, won't they?

>>90745263
Not unless Harley Quinn suddenly becomes a Flash Rogue.
It's the Harley Quip universe til Batman dries out.

>>90745263
It's only lower to Justice League Dark in their priority list and even that has a director.

>>90745250
It's a hard gig, man. Imagine, how do you approach a whole movie with a character like that? How do you make a story with him interesting and accessible, while keeping the higher-ups happy?

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Unless Wonder Woman performs at the 600-700 million range and JL finally performs at muh Billion, I expect to see the Snyderverse to go bye-bye.

They'll find a less reluctant Batman, a less bald Superman, a Wonder Woman who looks like she eats regularly, and start off anew. People will pretend to miss Margot Robbie right up until there's footage of Nu Harley.
Will Smith will not be missed by anyone.

>>90745263
They ain't gonna do shit until Wonder Woman releases. If that does OK enough ($500+ million), they'll start getting more work done. Then Justice League does $1+ billion and WB will be right back on schedule.

>>90745396
I really really don't see either of those things happening tho.

>>90745362
Flash is literally Spder-Man with more SCIENCE. It'd be extremely easy.

>>90745396
Can someone post that screencap of all the Marvel/DC film score/boxoffice predictions?

None of these movies should be made. They need to re-evaluate the way they're making movies. They're all butt.

>>90745390

Will Smith's Deadshot will be lamented and missed in the same way as Billy Dee Williams' Two-Face.

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>>90744860
Gotta add that Dick

>>90745396
>Then Justice League does $1+ billion
I can say this with absolute confidence. I don't think that's going to happen. I can't believe I'm saying this but I really think we're at a point where I can't see JL doing a billion

As for WW, I have no doubt it will easily make back it's budget for a relative success but as for the overall turnout? I'll let this repost sum it up

>The week before Wondy is Pirates 5 and that will assuredly have a strong second week, no question. I mean, it's freaking Pirates.

>The week Wondy comes out is Captain Underpants which will assuredly eat up any major kids demographic, especially so if the movie turns out to be an actually good adaptation (In which case we may be looking at what happened with Secret Life of Pets beating BvS and SS)

>This leaves its sole competition in The Mummy remake which I doubt will do that well so really that second weekend will decide everything for the movie

>After that is Cars 3 and by that point we both know it's over. The audience is gone by that point, especially so by the following week of Transformers 5.

>So it essentially has two weeks to dominate and pray to god it doesn't get swallowed by Pirates 5, that Cap. Underpants doesn't hurt it too much and that The Mummy is shit. It also has to bet on Alien Covenant not having legs as well. Personally I wouldn't bet on those odds

>>90745576

Is there a way to make general audiences take robin seriously again?

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>>90744860
>Rumor

>>90745573
>Will Smith's Deadshot will be lamented and missed
lol Why would he, when you can watch almost any other will smith movie and get the exact same performance.

>>90745390
Let's be honest here.

Will Smith's Deadshot was the most charismatic MC of the DCEU so far.

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>>90745521
If this was even remotely true, WB would have been making big Flash movies back when Raimi was hitting it out of the park.

Flash is a superhero who is either using his powers correctly and auto-winning everything like a time control hero,
Or he's jobbing like a clown to bank robbers with 1930's ray guns and monkey-men.

With the inevitable, unavoidable trip down "Muh Evil Speedforce Clone". Because that never gets tiresome, even after the 50th time.

>>90745608
Give him a halberd and make him a killer.

>>90745521
You say that while we've only had 2 out of 5 good Spider-Man movies.

>>90745631

The same can be said for Billy Dee Williams as Harvey Dent. He did nothing, nobody cares. But some people pretend to. That's the point I was trying to get across..

>>90745661

But he's still "Dick" grayson; And he still lives with another man that he isn't blood related to. By american standards that's waaaaaaaay too gay.

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>>90745728
>oh hey! That's where I misplaced my Oscar. thanks Evans!

>>90745746
That meme hasn't been relevant since the 80s.

>>90744987
Too late DC is box office poison now

Not even Disney can save it

>>90745791
>my Oscar
M A K E U P
A
K
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>>90745791
Man, I bet Ben wishes he could time travel back to 2012 and start all over again from that point.
Adamantly refuse the Batman role.
Burn the script for Live By Night.
Put down the drink.
Maybe not cheat on his girl.

>>90745608
Don't. Make him quippy and funny and shit. Hire the hottest actor money can hire. Hail the whole thing as a comedy, throw in a bunch of romantic drama in the middle. Instant cash cow.

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>>90745838
>couldn't even win for makeup

>>90745060
could be both, seeing as the first one is a given

>>90745521
And yet 3 directors have departed over creative differences. If it was easy, It'd already be filming at this point.

>>90744860


Johns did a great job... Fucking johnsfags

>>90745826
>Disney
>saving DC
I'd rather have Snyder just making edgy hot garbage than have Disney make it forgettable bland drek that gets immediately forgotten after the next shiny toy around the corner.

>>90745899
Who?
BvS and MOS? Yeah, I agree with you, SS was better than them.

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>>90745899
>Only two American films even bothered with makeup. Again.
The only Oscar you can win with pancake powder and a can of spraypaint.

>>90745943
>If it was easy, It'd already be filming at this point.
No, thats what happens when you have a retarded studio that wants to be involved with everything. It has nothing to do with "being easy".

>>90745964
>forgotten


But it doesn't more than any other movie. I really don't get this meme. What are you guys even comparing it with? It's not like people still talk about (or talked more about) Fury Road or something like that.

>>90745964
>I'd rather have Snyder just making edgy hot garbage than have Disney make it a multi-billion dollar franchise
then I guess that makes you a retard

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>>90745791
>my Oscar
JUST

>>90745791
If only building a successful shared universe only required high quality face paint and prosthetic application skills. Alas it demands a bit more.

>>90746029
>Dr. Strange
>multi-billion
lol

>>90746073
>franchise

>>90746058
Hey, TinyCroc was pretty dope.

And they blew the CGI budget on Incubus' cutting-edge 90's sfx.

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>>90744860


This is what it happens when the consultant, produrcer, president and writer of the movie it's well known for not getting batman.

Does anyone has the picture the deathstroke actor post with the reading material Johns gave to him?

It only h ad one batman comic

>>90746106
>TinyCroc
Where did this meme come from? It's not from retarded faggots who wanted him to be cgi or something, is it?

>>90745964
Im with you

>>90746129
I don't know about that, but maybe put some prosthetics on his body to make it look a bit more proportional to his head.

>>90745899
How often are movies actually going for outstanding makeup effects? I can only think things like the original LotR and such, these days they rely more on CG I think.

>>90745991
>than have Disney make it a multi-billion dollar franchise
by making it so ridiculously inoffensive as possible. Rather not have focus test audience trash that just wants to laugh at farts.

>>90746129
I blame the Arkham games for starting the meme that croc should be this huge towering mutant crocodile.

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>>90746195
They are lucky to get more than two entries per year, they often have to pull in a foreign language film to make it three (as they did this year).

The big-boy Award is the highly competitive Best Visual Effects award (that Strange lost to another Disney film). The last DC film to get nominated there was The Dark Knight, same year as Iron Man (both lost).

>>90746207
sorry meant to quote >>90746029

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>>90746207
>by making it so ridiculously inoffensive as possible.
It's tru that Marvel can't touch WB's ability to make offensive cape movies.

>>90746127
This is a shop right? Please tell me it's a shop. I'm a massive casual about batman but even I know about "world's greatest detective".

>>90746207
>Rather not have movies that are loved by critics and audiences the world over
Then you deserve this shit enjoy your shitty non-union actors and direct to dvd movies because no one with any fucking talent is going anywhere near DC and no one is going to see this shit in theaters

>>90746207
>by making it so ridiculously inoffensive as possible.
As opposed to WB not having a single good movie that isn't Batman related or the first two Donner Superman movies?

>>90746073
Reading is so hard

>>90745608
You can't. "All men are molesters." Robin, as a true BOY WONDER, will never appear in a live action adaptation again because the marxists have a hold on popular culture and a good "Batman and Robin" picture would involve portraying male influence as a positive thing.

>>90746312
>that isn't Batman related or the first two Donner Superman movies?
none of those are good either

>>90745663
Spider-Man 3 and Amazing Spider-Man were alright.

>>90745643
>If this was even remotely true, WB would have been making big Flash movies back when Raimi was hitting it out of the park.

They tried. With Ryan Reynolds to boot.

You know the DCfriends have been well and truly triggered thoroughly when they crack out the Makeup Oscar and the Conspiracy theories, Marxist or otherwise.

I think our job is done here.
Til next week, when Apekino director demurs or people blame Wonder Woman's poor reviews on Trump.

>>90746298
>even I know about "world's greatest detective".
On this Earth the take is that he is green as fuck starting out. He is still ascending to Batgod status.

>>90746305
>Marvel
>good actors
the ones worth salt are playing villains and get killed off. RDJ cost enough.

>>90746453
>Til next week, when Apekino director demurs or people blame Wonder Woman's poor reviews on Trump.

you mean like Iron Fist?

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>tfw Batfag
>tfw this is the best news I've heard since Wayne cameo in MoS

Feelsgood.

They're actually realising how shit their movies are.

>>90746498
Yep.

I wonder how pissed Ike got. He's got a job in the Trump administration.

Finn Jones can kiss season 2 goodbye.

>>90745390
This, with all the delays and woes of The Batman and the gradual shift towards a Bat-centric universe, I'm half expecting them to just reboot everything with the next Batman film and start fresh.

>>90746511
PROTIP: BvS was also rewritten. By an Oscar-winning scribe.

We all know how that turned out.

>>90746305
So basically what I get with DC animated movies? That's fine. Sure there are hits and misses, but I don't mind them existing. That doesn't stop me from enjoying my comics, which something the marvel staff seemed forget to be doing. Why Mouseketeers think that all that matters is how much a franchise makes seems to be the only thing that matters to them.

>>90746583
I gave up on BvS when the fucking name was revealed.

Literally why the fuck would you do a vs movie in the second movie of your universe?

It's like Iron Man was followed by Civil war.

>>90746583
Was it a makeup Oscar?

Why does /co/ pretend to like BvS?

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>>90745525

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>>90745525

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>>90746806

>>90746646
Because /co/ literally can not help but respond to any and all bait, no matter how obvious said bait is. And then when you call them on it, they say "lolol i just wanted to see how retarded they are lolol".

>>90746646
It's /tv/ shitposters it's best to just ignore them

>>90744860
just fucking cancel the dceu already

>>90745390
To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if WW and JL both made a billion. BvS was a little short of expectations but it still made almost 900 million and Suicide squad was more successful than anyone expected financially. It seems like regardless of how shitty these movies are they still make money. Besides if they try another DC reboot now then I think it will finally destroy this Superhero movie shit.

>>90745791
>wins Oscar
>becomes an alcoholic

>>90744860
oh look, another smearing campaign to shape up the narrative and make people's mind up in advance

>>90746981
The only thing it'll destroy is DC the company and honestly that would be the best thing for everyone

They've proved time and time again that the fucking suck at literally everything

>>90747040
Oh look the only DC fan in the world is here to defend his shitty fucking company

Fuck off back to your reddit

>>90746462
He is a retard. even a 7 years old knows crime escenes have clues.

>>90747120

>>90746890
See what I fucking mean.

>>90747040
>smearing campaign to shape up the narrative and make people's mind up in advance

>There are two ways to look at all of the noise surrounding The Batman, Ben Affleck‘s upcoming solo adventure as the Caped Crusader. One narrative is that Warner Bros. has no idea what to do with their DC comic book properties. The other is that The Batman is hitting speed bumps because everyone involved is actively working to get this one right and want to avoid disappointing fans who were let down by Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice and Suicide Squad.

Pick one.
If this is anything it is literally giving WB the benefit of the doubt after WB has done nothing but demonstrate a predisposition to shit the bed.

The state of the DCEU

WONDER WOMAN
>Story by Zack Snyder, Geoff Johns and Jason Fuchs ("Pan").
>Written by Allan Heinberg ("Grey's Anatomy").
>Directed by Patty Jenkins ("Monster").

JUSTICE LEAGUE
>Story by Zack Snyder and Chris Terrio ("Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice").
>Written by Chris Terrio.
>Directed by Zack Snyder.

GOTHAM CITY SIRENS
>Written by Christina Hodson ("Shut-In").
>Directed by David Ayer ("Suicide Squad").

AQUAMAN
>Story by Geoff Johns and James Wan ("Fast and Furious 7").
>Written by Will Beall ("The Gangster Squad").
>Directed by James Wan.

SUICIDE SQUAD 2
>Written by Adam Cozad ("The Legend of Tarzan").
>Maybe directed by Mel Gibson ("Hacksaw Ridge").

THE BATMAN
>Story by Geoff Johns and Ben Affleck.
>Written by Chris Terrio.
>Directed by Matt Reeves ("Dawn of the Planet of the Apes").

THE FLASH
>Written by Joby Harold ("King Arthur: Legend of the Sword")
>No Director Attached.

GREEN LANTERN CORPS
>Written by David Goyer ("Man of Steel") and Justin Rhodes ("Grassroots")
>No Director Attached.

BLACK ADAM
>No writer attached.
>Maybe directed by Brad Peyton ("San Andreas").

SHAZAM
>Written by Henry Gayden ("Earth to Echo").
>Maybe directed by Justin F. Sandberg ("Lights Out").

JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK
>Written by Michael Gilio ("Kwik Stop").
>Directed by Doug Liman ("Edge of Tomorrow").

BOOSTER GOLD
>Written by Zack Stentz ("X-Men: First Class").
>Maybe directed by Greg Berlanti ("Life as We Know It").

LOBO
>Written by Jason Fuchs.

MAN OF STEEL 2
>No writer attached.
>No director attached. Matthew Vaughn ("X-Men: First Class") reportedly of interested.

JUSTICE LEAGUE 2
>Story by Geoff Johns and Zack Snyder.
>Directed by Zack Snyder.

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>>90747171
TDK and TDKR are the highest grossing WB movies of all time.
Not their highest grossing superhero movies, they are the most successful films they've ever produced.

So it's not entirely shocking that it's colored the exec's views of what super hero movies should look and feel like, even when that hero's appeal has nothing to do with pummeling psychopaths in back alleyways.
And they gave creative control to a guy who's a fan of the Nolan movies, and dismissive of the comics themselves.

It's just taken this long for them to realize that no one wants the rest of the Superfriends to be depressing and bleak.

>>90746981
>To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if WW and JL both made a billion.

Neither of those things are happening.

>>90747367
Not a single person with talent

>>90747382
>It's just taken this long for them to realize that no one wants the rest of the Superfriends
Could've just stopped there

>>90747488
Basically. The fact that they allowed supergirl to use superman, but batman can still never be used says a lot.

>>90746981
Wonder Woman is never going to make a billion.

>>90747444
I love the conceit that Mel Gibson, having restored his reputation in Hollywood, is going to follow up Hacksaw with a Woll Smoth/Harley Quip reunion.
"C'mon Mel-baby, it will be just like Riggs and Murtagh, except with funny costumes! Be a good goyim!"

>>90747382
>TDK and TDKR are the highest grossing WB movies of all time.
The production process of the Nolan triology was clearly different than that of the DCEU. Declaration of WB being predisposed to shitting the bed was intended purely for the context of productions related to the DCEU. Should have specified. Sorry for not having done so.

>>90744860

Didn't he just check into rehab too?

>>90746646
because its a good film

This is a good thing though.
A director that moves forward full speed ahead without wanting a script to be just right is how we got Man of Steel.

>>90747579
just checked out of rehab

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>>90747572
No, it's ok, I really wasn't trying to connect them. Just pointing out why those two films are considered the blueprint for their Superhero stuff, (and why Goyer has tenure).

>>90747579
Thought he actually completed rehab.

>>90747585
terrible movie though.
pity that audiences show up to see movies.

>>90746981
>WW
>Making a billion
Anon you have to be somewhat realistic here

>>90745626
>>90747040
>>90745060

Funny how the moment Marvel gets negative press like Guardians of the Turd joke and Spider-man Homecoming getting reshots its when a lot of negative DC rumors start to appear

>>90747677
>Just pointing out why those two films are considered the blueprint for their Superhero stuff, (and why Goyer has tenure).
Oh, I understand that, but you try to argue that WB completely missed the point of what made the Nolan trilogy successfully received critically and audiences, there will be at least a few anons that legitimately try to argue that the DCEU has nothing stylistically in common with the Nolan trilogy.

>>90747839
I predict $300 million, but only if it gets screened in Chink-land.

>>90745964
>I'd rather have Snyder just making edgy hot garbage than have Disney make it forgettable bland drek that gets immediately forgotten
Wow, this is 100% accurate on how I felt walking out of Dr Strange, and Ant Man. literally all the same fucking movie.

>>90747741
certainly the theatrical

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>>90747866
>It's funny how the moment those things that happen with nearly every movie happen, another report about bad news around a DCEU movie happen as though they haven't been every week since before the release of BvS.

>>90747866
Neither of these things matter to Marvel Studios, or fans of MCU films.
But please continue with your delightful meme about Marvel being scared and such.

>>90747870
If Lego Batman can't even get $300 million with China there's no fucking way a pile of shit like Wonder Woman will even get anywhere near half that

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>>90747888
>Dr Strange and Ant Man. literally all the same fucking movie.
Were you the potato sitting in the row behind me at Doctor Strange?

>>90747888
Is saying all Marvel movies are the same the default insult when you can't say anything else?

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>>90747963
Surely Wonder Woman won't repeat Catwoman's feat of -$20 million dollars.
Surely.
Though it would be amazing here on /co/ if it did.

Affleck's -$50 million dollar opus makes me want to believe.

>>90746806
Almost impressive how wrong they were

>>90748269
Well, they are the same people who argue the DCEU is good, so being wrong is something they are borderline professional at by this point.

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>>90745826
Man of Steel, BvS, and Suicide Squad all made enough money to keep getting sequels. They're still profitable even if critics don't like them so I wouldn't call DC box office poison.

>>90748269
To be fair everyone was thinking there's no way you can fuck up the concept of Batman vs Superman.

>MMMM BOYS

>>90747952
>Neither of these things matter to Marvel Studios, or fans of MCU films.
they made the guardians of the turd joke video private

>>90745964
THREAD, most Marvel Disney movies are just the same shit again and again

You'd think DC would chill for a while right now, while Marvel is having their worst week ever. Iron Fist is turning out to be a travesty, if the reviews are to be believed, yet this Batman news is going to overshadow some bad TV reviews.

>>90748805
>Marvel formula meme
Anon, go watch Winter Soldier, Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-man, Avengers, and Incredible Hulk. Then come back and tell me any pair of them are the same.

>>90744860
>Disney so ashamed of Iron Fist, and Emma and the beast, that they have to spread rumors of a movie that hasn't even began.

Jesus Christ.

>>90748968
not really, pretty much every superhero film has had multiple scripts put forward

>>90746285
>Marvel was doing soooo much better when Steel came out

>>90749002
>telling an anon to go watch a bunch of shitty bland movies
wow, poor game anon. Shame on you.

>>90747866
>like Guardians of the Turd joke
that's a real thing though. And so are the Reshoots. I'm pretty sure the reshoots are "Can we get RDJ for this scene?"

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>>90749002
>Anon, go watch Winter Soldier, Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-man, Avengers, and Incredible Hulk.

To put me asleep?

>>90749042
Sure, but the rewrites aren't the only bad news. There's been literally nothing but shitty things coming out about this production.

>>90749067
>>90749105
Look, I don't care if you like them or not. Use your time however you want. But I noticed that neither of you actually addressed the point at hand.

None of those are whatsoever the same as any of the other four.

>>90748014
>the potato sitting in the row behind me at Doctor Strange?
What happened, anon?

>>90746806
>88%
>1.7billion

Jesus christ. That's amazing.

Actually, I can't decide what's the best part. They got every single prediction so fucking wrong.

>>90749108
what? i never said that it was mate, but we were only talking about scripts.

>>90749136
>getting upset over a bait response
are you twelve?

>>90749340
Who's we? You responded to a post I made that was talking about everything going on this week.

>>90748968
DC has had several cinematic bombs, Marvel supposedly has one bad Netflix show. You can't really compare the two.

>>90749365
>upset
okay

>>90749366
this is the only news that has come out for the film this week.

or where you talking about iron fist?

>>90745637
>Will Smith's Deadshot is the only charismatic MC of the DCEU so far.
Fixed

>>90749380
DC is the only universe that has characters that appeal to ADULTS.

The Marvel films are good but if I ask my dad about them he would consider them to be kids films.

Compared with Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Star Trek, Game of Thrones, the Marvel Universe is no different than the Fast and the Furious franchaise.

Also Jessica Jones was shit and critics are shitting on Iron Fist, so I would say that they have TWO terrible netflix shows.

>>90749538
>DC is the only universe that has characters that appeal to ADULTS.
Jesus Christ, this is some top-tier delusion right here.

You think adults give any more of a shit about Batman and Wonder Woman than they do about Iron Man?

And you think Star Trek is somehow on a higher level too?

notice how most movie sites are not talking about Spider-man Homecoming getting reshoots

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>>90749538
>DC is the only universe that has characters that appeal to ADULTS.

>>90749538
>The Marvel films are good but if I ask my dad about them he would consider them to be kids films.

Anon, DC films were about two buff men in spandex punching each other before teaming up with a thousand year old Amazon princess to kill a cave troll

>>90749681
>You think adults give any more of a shit about Batman and Wonder Woman than they do about Iron Man?
>And you think Star Trek is somehow on a higher level too?

Yes, 100% that.

Star Trek, Batman, Superman, Star Wars, Lords of the Rings, those are part of pop culture while Iron Man, Cap and Guardians of the Turd Jokes are seeing maingly as Marvel films, kids films, etc.

That's why nobody expects a dance off in Star Wars, because they actually like it, they like the good stories behind Star Wars while stuff like GotG only success based on the movie pandering to adults with one liners

>>90749793
>while Iron Man, Cap and Guardians of the Turd Jokes are seeing maingly as Marvel films, kids films, etc.


More like avatar, it's irrelevant on the long therm

>>90749793
>Spider-man
>Iron Man
>not part of pop culture

Holy. Fucking. Shit. You're legitimately retarded.

>>90749699

Yes and they took the story seriously, the movie didn't had fight scenes every 5 minutes, every scene didn't end with a joke, etc.

The same goes with Suicide Squad, not affraid of dealing with adult themes, not affraid of showing the female body, characters being sexually active, SHOWING sad moments instead of just talking about them, etc.

That's why those movies appealed more to adults, because they were not affraid to take the material seriously.

Marvel on the other hand turns everything into a joke, most characters end scenes saying some one liner, dumb action scenes against random faceless goons every 5 minutes, too much shaky cam, the movie doesn't take its time to develop a plop, to develop bad guys, etc.

Logan was BRILLIANT, because like DC, they weren't affraid to go dark and tell having the main selling point to be: telling a good story.

Marvel Disney will never have the same amount of respect that DC and X-men characters get, only manchildren and literal children care about Marvel for real.

This coming from a manchildren that enjoys most comic book movies

>>90749793
>people will fall for this OBVIOUS bait.

>>90749932
Iron man? nope

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>>90749793
>Batman is for adults

>>90749932

Spider-man, yes.

Iron Man? Not at all. There was your flavor of the month references in other cartoons and stuff but beyond that people don't like Iron Man beyonf watching RDJ playing the character every couple of years

>>90744860
drunkWanda is kill?

>>90750001
Batman 66 is full on comedy and I can assure you that most adults over 40 have a nostalgia boner for that show.

>>90749987
>Solo lead of 3 movies
>3rd one made a billion dollars
>made more money than the 3rd Batman
>Lead character in 3 team ups
>all three made a billion dollars
>not part of the pop culture

>>90750029
Do you know why that is? It's because they were children when they saw it. Because it was fucking made for kids.

You're doing nothing to help your argument here.

>>90750006
And what part of Star Trek is so pervasive in pop culture?

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>>90750069
>Do you know why that is? It's because they were children when they saw it. Because it was fucking made for kids.


And that's the Batman experience for you, you love it since a kid and you love it as an adult even more.

Too bad that the also really old Marvel characters never appealed to adults like Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman have been doing since decades, if that were the case we would have got a 60s Iron Man show and Iron Man would have that same kind of nostalgia thing going on.

>>90749952
>telling a good story
Something that BvS and SS don't have

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>>90744860


The DC cinematic universe is a fucking joke.
They should just wait 5-10 years and reboot it after the stink has finally worn off

>Batman has appeal to adults (>>90749538)
>but only because it's made for kids (>>90750197)

What the fuck are you on about?

Also that's adorable that you think anyone gives a shit about Wonder Woman.

>>90750096
>And what part of Star Trek is so pervasive in pop culture?

A lot of ideas, designs, concepts, characters specially.

People are so familiar with Star Trek that you can say stuff like ''imagine something straight out of Star Trek or something...'' and people would understand what you are trying to say right away.

Is that kind of familiarity that Marvel Disney has failed to accomplish.

When a person is succesful on science, nobodoy says ''that guy is freaking Iron Man!'' but when a person does something amazing a lot of people go ''that guy pulled some Batman moves right there!'' or when you put your life at risk they say ''you are not Superman, you are going to get killed!''

Why? Because those DC characters APPEAL to adults

>>90750197
>a 60s Iron Man show
But there was

>>90750278
>Also that's adorable that you think anyone gives a shit about Wonder Woman.

The Wonder Woman 70s show its iconic as hell and known all over the world, it has been translated to most languages and it still gets good ratings when it airs on different networks, they created a comic book based on that universe alone.

Also merchandize wise Wonder Woman outsells ALL MARVEL CHARACTERS that are not Spider-man, also in comic books Wonder Woman outsells most of the Marvel Universe

>>90750293
>Is that kind of familiarity that Marvel Disney has failed to accomplish.
It's been 10 years. You're trying to compare it to a 50 year old franchise.

Also, people use Hulk and Spider-man in those contexts all the fucking time.

>>90750272
The next movie will be good! It can be fixed!

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>>90750197
No, nigga, the whole point is that Batman, as a whole, has changed the whole super-hero formula, same with Spider-Man (sorta).

You can do stuff like Lego Batman to pander to kids, and at the same time, reference loads of heavy, dark or even not so known stories of the BatGod.

Meanwhile, what happened with MoS and BvS was that they tried to paint a DARKNESS NO PARENTS OW THE EDGE story, while at the same time trying to go "hey, this movie is for everyone, go see it!" which ended up dissapointing A LOT of people (including myself, someone who loves both DC and Marvel comics and just wants to see a good movie), which obviously will end up as box poison..

But hey, keep going with those "intelligent" arguments about how Snyder "understands" greek novels, weird concepts, and shit that a teenager would be in a phase FOR A SHORT WHILE.

>>90750278

No, I was talking about the Batman 60s show while the other anon brought some goalpost about that not counting because they saw the show as kids

>>90750360
>Also merchandize wise Wonder Woman outsells ALL MARVEL CHARACTERS that are not Spider-man
First off: source?
Secondly: you just admitted that Spider-man is high-tier pop culture character.

>>90750272
DC's fucking chernobyl there's no going back to it after this ever

>>90750293
LOL
The Warner Drones are seething

>>90746012
It's basically a non-criticism that DCEUfags latch onto in desperation. No one really "forgets" Marvel movies, except for extreme casuals I guess who aren't into superheroes and probably only mindlessly consume other forms of entertainment as well.

I don't think they realize that people only talk about DCEU movies more on this board because people naturally accentuate the negative; MoS, BvS, and SS were all varying degrees of shit, so we all naturally love to talk about them more. The MCU is also a proven success while the DCEU has yet to really get off the ground, so it's like watching a trainwreck. A trainwreck garners more attention than a train running on the tracks as it should.

>>90750360
>Also merchandize wise Wonder Woman outsells ALL MARVEL CHARACTERS that are not Spider-man
Even the X-Men? I don't think so

>>90750430
>Secondly: you just admitted that Spider-man is high-tier pop culture character.
No one said otherwise

>>90750293
>People are so familiar with Star Trek that you can say stuff like ''imagine something straight out of Star Trek or something...'' and people would understand what you are trying to say right away.
>Is that kind of familiarity that Marvel Disney has failed to accomplish.
>When a person is succesful on science, nobodoy says ''that guy is freaking Iron Man!'' but when a person does something amazing a lot of people go ''that guy pulled some Batman moves right there!'' or when you put your life at risk they say ''you are not Superman, you are going to get killed!''
Remember when the president made a joke that we were building Iron Man?

Also, did you know that Hulk Hogan's name isn't really Hulk?

And have you never heard people compare kids jumping around on things to Spider-man?

>>90750456
>except for extreme casuals

You are clearly a casual.

Casuals and normies are not the same.

>>90750381
>It's been 10 years. You're trying to compare it to a 50 year old franchise.

Those Marvel characters have been around almost 50 years too, characters like Cap are almost as old as Batman and Superman, even Namor was created before Aquaman

And yet the DC characters are the ones that stood out for decades, why? Because, again, they appeal to adults.

While Marvel has only cared about making money since they started, that's why they don't have A SINGLE great book like Watchmen, V for Vendetta, All Star Superman, Sandman, etc.

Not even close

>>90750360
>Also merchandize wise Wonder Woman outsells ALL MARVEL CHARACTERS

This fucking delusion. Guess that's why it took 40 years for her to get a movie, huh?

This thread belongs on /tv/. So go.
>>>/tv/

>>90750484
>No one said otherwise
Might not have been you, but...

>>90750293
>Is that kind of familiarity that Marvel Disney has failed to accomplish.
>>90749793
>Star Trek, Batman, Superman, Star Wars, Lords of the Rings, those are part of pop culture while Iron Man, Cap and Guardians of the Turd Jokes are seeing maingly as Marvel films, kids films, etc.

>>90750535
Bad bait mate

>>90750456
>people only talk about DCEU movies more on this board because people naturally accentuate the negative; MoS, BvS, and SS


This.

And it is hilarious when the same people who say "well, they at least STILL talk about it" is the same kind that never shuts up about how they hate anything that isnt the MCU. Basicaly, if they say that the DCEU isnt forgetable because everyone never stops shitting on it, they have to admit the same for the MCU (at least on their point of view), because everytime that they speak against it they are showing that people "care".

Also, that is a very obvious bait.

>>90750528
>You are clearly a casual.
Nope. Not even remotely. Been a hardcore consumer of Marvel and DC comics for years now, been into the superhero cartoons, the movies, the video games, you name it.
>Casuals and normies are not the same.
They may as well be. Maybe casuals and normies may not necessarily be interchangeable terms but there's more than enough overlap in there to assume that casuals tend to be normies.

>>90750545
>WAAAAAAAAH! STOP MAKING FUN OF MY SHITTY FUCKING COMPANY
man you DCdrones are pathetic

>>90749365
> I was only pretending to be retarded.

>>90749538
> I only watch mature capeshit for mature manchildren like myself.

>>90750535
You realize the only reason anyone knows about Superman or Batman is because of the TV shows, Movies and cartoons that have permeated popular media for the past seventy years right?

Hell Wonder Woman and Hulk are only pop culture icons because of their 70s tv shows.

>>90750393
>Meanwhile, what happened with MoS and BvS was that they tried to paint a DARKNESS NO PARENTS OW THE EDGE story, while at the same time trying to go "hey, this movie is for everyone, go see it!"


That's the strawman version of what they did, the movie wasn't over the top dark, that would be a movie like Irreversible, Serbian Film, etc.

They never said ''its for everyone!'' if anything they clearly had a more adult audience in mind with BvS, dealing with politics, existential ideas, etc.

''waaaaah!!! That's pretentious hipsters shit!!!!'' not really, adult doesn't mean deep, it means not kid friendly, big difference.

>>90745608
Cast a cute actor to play him like Finn Wolfhard

>>90750484
>>Secondly: you just admitted that Spider-man is high-tier pop culture character.

I never said that, Spider-man sells more merch than WW because it appeal a lot to CHILDREN.

While WW sells merch to ADULTS

>>90750566
No one named spiderman, but anyway, he is sill not Batman or superman tier

>>90750607
>Maybe casuals and normies may not necessarily be interchangeable terms but there's more than enough overlap in there to assume that casuals tend to be normies.

No you dumbass, Casuals don't forget about the movies since they pretend to care just like call of duty or LoL fans

>>90750595
>And it is hilarious when the same people who say "well, they at least STILL talk about it" is the same kind that never shuts up about how they hate anything that isnt the MCU. Basicaly, if they say that the DCEU isnt forgetable because everyone never stops shitting on it, they have to admit the same for the MCU (at least on their point of view), because everytime that they speak against it they are showing that people "care".
DCEUfags are hypocrites without a hint of self-awareness? Who'd a thunk it?

>>90750654
So adults buy Wonder Woman action figures?

>>90750535
Exactly two DC characters have been pop culture mainstays since the 50s: Batman and Superman. They are, hands down, the most popular fictional characters in the American canon.

No one is disputing that.

But Marvel hasn't been making movies that whole time; they just started relatively recently. For decades, they were just comics and cartoons.

Spider-man, though, has been a global phenomenon for almost twenty years now, and Iron Man has been for a decade.

> While Marvel has only cared about making money since they started, that's why they don't have A SINGLE great book like Watchmen, V for Vendetta, All Star Superman, Sandman, etc.
Well done on moving the goalposts, and nice implication that DC isn't 100% profit-focused as well. Of those four books you've mentioned, only one is a mainstream cape book (though Watchmen, admittedly, has a large pop culture status because of what it did for the industry).

I wasn't even talking about quality of work though -- although I'd say Marvel has plenty of good books, but that's a different discussion. Spider-man alone has more pop culture recognition than Sandman, V for Vendetta, and Watchmen combined.

>>90750609
Only /tv/ people get so worked up on company wars. And this thread is about movies, there's a whole board for you lot to shit up. Get back when you want to discuss comics or cartoons.

>>90750705
No, clothes

>>90750524
>Remember when the president made a joke that we were building Iron Man?

Yeah because they were talking about creating something that resembles Iron Man. That's going out of your way to reference Iron Man, what I'm talking about is something like the idea of ''secret identity is just wearing glasses''.

We know which super hero does that, but when we talk about the super hero with anger issues, the one that's alcoholic or the american boy scout, most people would think about Batman first!

>Also, did you know that Hulk Hogan's name isn't really Hulk?

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There's been a huge influx of angry DCEU haters on this board as of late. I wonder what cause them to get so triggered. It's not like the DCEU is doing anything really different to get them to come here super butthurt.

>>90750654
Fuck, you DC fanboys are delusional.

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>>90750717
Yeah... adults....

>>90750654
I'm going to ask you again:

source?

>>90750676
Its a shame that the DCEU movies with them is so awful. They dont deserve it.

>>90750731
> DCEU haters

You mean normal people?

Sorry kiddo but when bad news keeps rolling out of Warner Bros and WW is looking more and more like another predictable trainwreck you'll forgive everyone for calling it like they see it. Sorry /co/ isn't your convenient hugbox.

>>90750712
>Thread about a comic book character's movie on the comics board
>Not allowed to discuss said comic book character's movie on said comics board

Really makes you think.

>>90750731
We're always here it's just there's thankfully hardly ever any DCEU threads

>>90750726
Yes, you -- again -- have succeeded in explaining that Batman and Superman are the most well known.

What you refuse to address, and keep deflecting, is that Iron Man, Hulk, and Spider-man are also pop culture icons. You did such a poor job at deflecting that you even forgot to delete a quote at the end of your post.

>>90750706
>Well done on moving the goalposts

That's not moving a goalpost, that's just explaining what's going with Marvel.

They only cared about money since they started, while DC cares about making money via telling good stories.

That's why DC movies happened first, because Marvel was a joke writing wise compared to DC even back then.

Hell, I even dare to say that a lot of what made Marvel popular is not that different from the bullshit pandering that you read in the current Marvel books, just not as annoying.

So yes, Marvel only caring about money its the explanation as to why their 60 year old characters never got popular until recently

>>90745826

Why does everyone keep saying this?

DC movies will continue to make their budget, so DC will keep making them. Easy as that. Michael Bay continues to prove that critical consensus doesn't matter as long as movies make money.

Are the DC movies true to character? Not very much.

Are they pointlessly bleak? I'll admit they are.

Do they have a legion of diehard fans who get annoying in their inability to see flaws? Probably.

But the vast majority of the audience DOESN'T FUCKING CARE about any of that. They don't know the source material, so to them, THESE are the versions of these characters that matter.

>>90750694
>No you dumbass, Casuals don't forget about the movies since they pretend to care just like call of duty or LoL fans
I've actually always seen things in a sort of 'multi-tiered' sort of way.

At the top of the pyramid, you have ultra-normies, people who would never want to go see a superhero movie (or play a video game for that matter), because it's seen as too 'nerdy'.

Then below that you have the normies who might watch the occasional superhero movie.

Below them, you have the uber-casuals, the sort who are dedicated to superhero movies and follow them on a decent level, but are ignorant to the comics and may never pick up a comic book ever.

Then deeper still are the casuals who kinda do the same, but also watch some of the cartoons or play the video games, have a slightly better understanding of the universe(s) and may pick up a comic or two.

Then beneath all of those, those with a deep appreciation for superheroes are the sad pathetic geeks, the type you'd find here or something.

That's just the way I've always seen it.

@90750726
>We know which super hero does that, but when we talk about the super hero with anger issues, the one that's alcoholic or the american boy scout, most people would think about Batman first!
Nope. Not doing this anymore.

>>90750739
>people going out
>socializing
>having active sex lives

Sounds pretty adult to me and I love that ''normies'' are getting into comics since I'm not a ''MUH SECRET GEEK CLUB!!!'' autist.

Having more fans of the things that you like is always good

>>90750825

Except that fatigue DOES become a problem.

Take a look at the final box office tallies of every Transformers movie. They peak at 2, then have diminishing returns on every movie from there.

>>90750739
Want fuck Asian Harley!

>>90744860
How is this surprising? Ben literally just got out of rehab.

>>90750888
Sounds like transformers fatigue.

>>90750825
>But the vast majority of the audience DOESN'T FUCKING CARE about any of that. They don't know the source material, so to them, THESE are the versions of these characters that matter.
This is actually exactly what I fucking hate about the DCEU. The audience isn't getting introduced to a version of the character(s) that is actually accurate to the source material, they're getting Zack Snyder's or David Ayer's shitty takes on classic characters like Superman, Wonder Woman, or the Joker.

>>90750739
what is the female equivalent of "chad"?

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>>90750803
Not him, but dude...why do you even care about this?

I mean, I know that you ae a shitposter and baiting, but I am really curious to see your reasoning: It still dont change the fact that the DCEU is horrible, had bad reviews, mostly underperform, and is seem mainly as a joke. It dont change the fact that its production is a mess, and that what is in OP might fuck things up.


And your entire line of thought feels stupid, considering that most people that are not insane, have no problem liking both companies. Instead, you act like a insane dog that has to lick the shit out of a WB franchine.

Capeshit of the Big 2 in general isnt even worth of it anyway. Pure autism.

>>90750789
>Iron Man, Hulk, and Spider-man are also pop culture icons

Iron Man is not. I have never said that Spider-man wasn't.

What I'm saiying is that DC characters appeal to adults more, yes Iron Man is ''iconic'' among man children and kids, but beyond that you will have to go out of your way to bring Iron Man into a conversation and it will be seeing as a dorky thing.

While tons of DC characters are perceived as part of the conversation already, part of life, etc not the latest dorky movie with one liners.

I mean, how many girls have been fucked while mentioning something about Catwoman moments before it happened? that says a lot about the impact of such characters

>>90750803
>So yes, Marvel only caring about money its the explanation as to why their 60 year old characters never got popular until recently
Alright, for the sake of this discussion, let's accept that all that shit is true.

As part of this back and forth, you (or some anon with similar posts) claimed that Marvel has failed to break the pop culture barrier. That only DC had characters that -- like Star Wars, Star Trek, and LOTR -- were part of the everyday pop culture awareness of the country.

But as you just said: "never got popular UNTIL RECENTLY." It might not have happened 50 years ago, but it finally happened. Iron Man, Spider-man, and the Hulk are all fucking huge from a recognition standpoint. The X-Men too, even though that's not MCU.

Do you think it's just a coincidence that Marvel has made over a billion dollars on 4 movies in as many years?

>>90750852
Yup, you're 100% right. Marvel is awful because they only make good movies that everyone loves (adults, kids, casuals, nerds), but DC is awesome despite terrible movies because they sell more Halloween costumes, Hot Topic merch and funko pop bobble heads.

>>90750825

>THESE are the versions of these characters that matter.

I look forward to murderbats being the norm in DC. Maybe he'll actually get some results.

>>90750852
>still no source

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>>90750773
>WW is looking more and more like another predictable trainwreck
Rumors, gossip, conjecture, and assumptions. Wonder Woman will save the DCEU.

>>90746627
Mouse niggers care about nothing more than what a movie makes. they forgot to enjoy comics, can't say i blame them, marvel funny books are shit.

>>90750852
Looking at box office sales I'd argue Marvel has the most fans unless you legitimately think the consolation prize of more toy sales somehow validates the movies you're trying to defend as "adult".

>>90750888
>Except that fatigue DOES become a problem.
call me in 10 years when it happens.

If anything movies like Deadpool, Logan and Suicide Squad are showing people that there are many different ways to direct a cape movie

Even Mel ''super heroes are for niggers and faggots'' Gibson got interested on directing Suicide Squad 2

>>90750983
Didn't BvS and SS have a ton of leaks that didn't look promising that turned out to be true? I know SS definitely did.

>>90750915

The characters are pretty accurate if you are not autistic.

>muh Snyder!
>muh Ayer
>muh buzzwords

autistic it is then

>>90750988
> but our comics are still good.

Why do DCEU fans always have to default on other media when defending their movies?

>>90750888
>actually believing the fatigue myth
Avengers crossed a billion dollars in 2012. They've continued to do it three times since. In that time, they also launched Guardians, which was a smash fucking hit.

Star Wars also just had another movie make a billion, and it'll do it again this winter.

Fast and the Furious have trended upwards for the last 3 films.

Fatigue doesn't exist.

>>90751058
That's because those are good or at least well liked movies where as Transformers and the DCEU are not.

>>90750946
>Not him, but dude...why do you even care about this?

For the same reason that you are here arguing about the same pointless shit.

>>90750951
>Yup, you're 100% right. Marvel is awful because they only make good movies that everyone loves

Not everyone, again, most adults don't seem to have the Avengers movies on their radars, let alone those characters.

While those very same adults can talk with you about Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, etc.

>>90751072
That's my whole point. There's no such thing as "superhero fatigue." Some franchises just get stale because they stop putting out quality.

>>90750773
Normies seem to think WW is the best looking DC movie yet. Also, Unless WB does something crazy again and let trailer amateurs edit the full movie, I think it will be harmless to critics. This is like the first female Superhero movie is decades. If they jerk off WW for 2 hours and have quips I'm sure it will get at least decent ratings.

>>90751000
>If anything movies like Deadpool, Logan and Suicide Squad are showing people that there are many different ways to direct a cape movie
Suicide Squad was just your typical 'ragtag bunch of misfits band together to save the world/whatever' that didn't really do anything especially original. Don't try to pretend like it was some ambitious, unorthodox take on superheroes, because it fucking wasn't. It should've been the Dirty Dozen or Inglorious Basterds with supervillains but it was just Guardians of the Galaxy: DC Edition.

I'm not opposed to superhero movies trying something different, as long as the outcome is actually good.

Although frankly, I really feel even still, we should be getting more traditional takes on Superman, Batman, WW, etc., because at no point beforehand has there ever been a live-action DC cinematic universe. To introduce the audience to these wildly different takes is just really weird to me.

>>90751077
>Not everyone, again, most adults don't seem to have the Avengers movies on their radars, let alone those characters.
>While those very same adults can talk with you about Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, etc.
What the actual fuck are you talking about?

Who do you think is spending a billion dollars at these movies?

>>90750957
>I look forward to murderbats being the norm in DC.

Most people don't know about the no killing policy that Batman has.

Most people don't know that Superman's powers work with the yellow sun either.

Batman kills in the 89 movie, no one cared, he killed again in the sequel, no one cared, he let Ras die in Begins, no one cared, he killed indirectly killed in BvS, no one cared beyond a small group of manchildren online

>>90751077
Do you have a source for any of this?

So far your argument has just been you claiming adults like this or that, but not this with absolutely no evidence what-so-ever outside of toy sales.

>>90751053
>implying I'm a DCEU fan.
DC has nothing to do with those movies. Sounds like your problem with the baiter.

>>90751109
> Normies seem to think WW is the best looking DC movie yet.

Source?

>>90751077
I'm going to tell you something that might shock you:

Most adults don't talk about Batman, Superman, or Wonder Woman either.

>>90750939
they're called Stacies where have you been?

>>90751157
>where have you been?
Tumblr

>>90751077
I love the way you put "etc" at the end of your list, as if there are any other characters that matter.

>>90751142
So you just arbitrarily walked into a thread about the DCEU in a discussion about the movies and started arguing in place of someone who was defending the DCEU?

>>90751008
BvS had retarded leaks. Stuff like Wonder Woman being human level and more like a spy, plus sleeping with Bruce.The only thing I can really remember being the same was the doomsday/ Clark kent dying thing.

>>90751038
>The characters are pretty accurate if you are not autistic.
Not really. I don't remember Superman ever having trouble speaking to the public and making his mission clear. I don't remember Batman killing left and right. I don't remember Wonder Woman ever fighting in WW1 and giving up on humanity.

It's crazy how before the DCEU, even if there were multiple different versions of these characters before, we all decided that they all shared certain traits that embodied them as characters, that were more or less universal to every different version of them, yet after BvS, that all just flew out the window.

>>90751077
>For the same reason that you are here arguing about the same pointless shit


Nobody is disagreeing that Superman and Batman are iconic and famous. We are saying that the DCEU is shit and considered shit, no better than transformers, apart that transformers doesn't underperformed as much.

What you are saying has no relation to it, it's deflection.

If anything, Batman and Superman, and even the actors, deserved better than what they are into.

>>90751189
BvS, fine. SS? Not so much. That movie's plot was leaked at least a month before it came out and a lot of early impressions were negative.

>>90751193
>don't remember Superman ever having trouble speaking to the public and making his mission clear. I don't remember Batman killing left and right. I don't remember Wonder Woman ever fighting in WW1 and giving up on humanity.

Different context, also Diana's mom did fought in WW back in the day (the 90's) and gave up on humanity.

>>90750995
>Looking at box office sales I'd argue Marvel has the most fans unless you legitimately think the consolation prize of more toy sales somehow validates the movies you're trying to defend as "adult".

The fist 3 DC movies made more than the first 3 Marvel movies.

And even then the difference is not that big.

Bvs made 850 million while not caring about China and not appealing to little kids.

Civil War made over a billion while appealing to China ( meaning that Marvel will only see like 10% of that Chinese money) and also appealing to kids and playing it safe.

If anything it goes to show that box office wise Marvel is not making that much more money, Suicide Squa alone made more money than Dr. Strange and that's a current movie with ties to Avengers 3 and Thor

The moment WB does a Teen Titans movie, the Avengers franchaise is going to (teen titans) Go!

>>90751311
>A Batman Spinoff
>Starring the Joker
Yeah, real impressive that it made more money than Dr Literally Who

>The fist 3 DC movies made more than the first 3 Marvel movies.
>Batman
>Batman vs Superman
vs
>Iron Man
>Hulk
>Iron Man

Real even comparison there

>>90751115
>Guardians of the Galaxy: DC Edition.

Exactly, Guardians of the galaxy but without being affraid of going dark, without being embarrased of being a comic book, without CGI main characters, fanservice that is not a buff dude without a shirt, etc.

Is taking that generic 'ragtag bunch of misfits band together to save the world/whatever' idea and giving it a fresh and more adult/not kid friendlty turd jokes feel to it

>>90751311
The first three Marvel movies weren't piggy backing on half a century of pop cultural icons and a shared universe trend started by the competitor.

Also, DC blew their load with their first three movies where as Marvel didn't even get to their payoff until Avengers.

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>>90751391
> Suicide Squad
> Dark

>>90751152
>Most adults don't talk about Batman, Superman, or Wonder Woman either.

They are familiar with the characters, concepts, origins, etc.

They talk even less about Iron Man, that's the whole point, they don't even know about the Mandarin

>>90751437
Proof?

>>90751311
>>Civil War
>>Appealing to kids
You DC fan boys will say anything won't you?

But you're BvS didn't appeal to kids but also didn't appeal to adults so that's a moot point.

>>90751181
>as if there are any other characters that matter.

Robin
Batgirl
Supergirl
Flash
Aquaman
Green Arrow (Believe it or not, girls want the arrow dick)
V(V for Vendetta)

>>90751391
GotG was such a better movie than Suicide Squad that I don't know even where to begin to tackle your 'points'. I guess you think SS was 'daring' or 'dark'? Watch more movies anon.

>>90751437
Your entire argument here has been nothing more than what Adults like or know yet have no evidence, anecdotal or otherwise, to back this up.

It's just you pulling claims out of your ass, projecting what you want to believe is true as fact.

Aren't the movie critics who panned the DCEU adults?

>>90751391
>without being affraid of going dark
Why is being dark any sort of benchmark? Do you really think GOTG should've been dark?

> without being embarrased of being a comic book
Neither was GotG. It may be the least embarrassed comic book movie of the decade.

> without CGI main characters
Yeah, shame they didn't get a real tree and raccoon to act in the movie. What a stupid fucking benchmark for anything.

> fanservice that is not a buff dude without a shirt
Wait... what point are you making here? You think Margot Robbie's tits are somehow different or less pandering than shirtless Chris Pratt?

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>>90751490
> That list

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

>>90751193
>Not really. I don't remember Superman ever having trouble speaking to the public and making his mission clear. I don't remember Batman killing left and right. I don't remember Wonder Woman ever fighting in WW1 and giving up on humanity.

Its a different movie.

''I don't remember Batman killing left and right''
That never happened and again, nobody cares if the scene involved bad guys being killed, even children are ok with bad guys being killed

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>>90751535

>>90751205
>We are saying that the DCEU is shit and considered shit, no better than transformers, apart that transformers doesn't underperformed as much.

thats not true, most people outside autism boards actually like most DC films, Suicide Squad got more people talking about the film than Dr. Strange or even Civil War

>>90751490
>Robin
Who people only know in the context of "Batman and..." They don't know who Dick Grayson is.

>Batgirl
>Supergirl
No different than Spider-woman as far as normies are concerned.

>Flash
>Aquaman
You really think they're on a tier above Cap and Iron Man? People think Aquaman's powerset is just talking to fish and swimming well.

> Green Arrow
Just no.

>V(V for Vendetta)
Even more no.

>>90751437
>>Adults are familiar with WW and her origin

OK now you're really making shit up.

>>90751569
>most people outside autism boards actually like most DC films
And most people outside of autism boards like most Marvel films. This might be a surprise to you, but the general audience is pretty easy to please.

Source:
>Reviews
>Box office

>>90751569
Based on what exactly?

The critics reviews and box office sales certainly don't reflect your claims and anyone I can talk to on the street doesn't seem to have too fond an opinion of the DCEU movies.

>>90751372
>>Starring the Joker
10 minutes of the Joker and the movie made like 750 million, you don't get that money just with 10 minutes of the Joker, specially not on multiple weekends


>Real even comparison there
So comparing Civil War with Iron Man, Cap, Spider-man and most of the Avengers is not fair comparason either

Or comparing any DC film with any Avengers film when it comes to money.

>>90746890

>>90751645
So making money is more important than being a good movie?

WB and DC's other problem is that they put so much focus on Batman and just making cash off the Batman franchise that they overshadow their other heroes.

Superman is comparable to Thor as a strong character. Whereas Thor is this self-assured cocky character that everyone loves, Superman comes off as an emo whiner. Did they not see Cavill in The Man from U.N.C.L.E.?

That's your Superman act right there.

>>90751645
>10 minutes of the Joker and the movie made like 750 million, you don't get that money just with 10 minutes of the Joker, specially not on multiple weekends
Look, I'm not going to deny that audiences liked it. But the Joker was a huge part of the marketing, only surpassed by Margot's body.

>>90751645
>So comparing Civil War with Iron Man, Cap, Spider-man and most of the Avengers is not fair comparason either
>Or comparing any DC film with any Avengers film when it comes to money.
Alright, how about we compare Iron Man 3 to DKR?

Do you think that the DCEU started from ground zero? They had three massive Nolan Bats films preceding them. The public didn't suddenly forget about these heroes because they rebooted.

>>90751674
>Did they not see Cavill in The Man from U.N.C.L.E.?
No one did

>>90751578
>No different than Spider-woman as far as normies are concerned.


hahahahahahaha

>>90751578
>You really think they're on a tier above Cap and Iron Man? People think Aquaman's powerset is just talking to fish and swimming well.
They are

>>90751715
>They are
Source?

Batgirl and Supergirl are only known because of the prefixes.

>>90751701
They waited for Batfleck to make him face of their franchise. Even gave him millions to make a gangster movie and then he lost them 75 million.

Now he wants out totally and the franchise is collapsing.

>>90751391
>without being affraid of going dark
pink ponies
> without being embarrased of being a comic book
That must be the reason why everyone had their iconic costumes throughout the movie. Or, you know. Just Katana and Deadshot.
> without CGI main characters
Is this such a turnoff? It's like a staple of modern american blockbusters by now.

Also, El Diablo's final form.

>fanservice that is not a buff dude without a shirt
Yeah, it actually innovated by expanding fanservice to to Margot Robbie's ass, AND buff dudes without shirts

I think we broke the autistic DCEU kid. That, or we can expect a monolithic wall of text shortly.

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>>90751778
>Source?


They had been popular costumes in halloween and parties for decades. Catwoman even more.

Black widow is a great example ofcultural irrelvance

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>>90751836
Do we have any hope left? How can DC wrestle this situation into a victory?

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>>90746831
>Gambit

>>90751531
What the fuck is that from, The Thing?

>>90751915
So halloween costumes are literally your only argument. Really?

>>90751915
and yet a movie with Black Widow will make AT LEAST twice as much as one with Catwoman

>>90751915
>source is a screencap from a 15 year old TV show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gr75OQabg0

Guess that proves it then.

>>90751970
AND TOY SALES!!!

Don't forget that only adults buy toys.

>>90751931
no and they can't

>>90751915
>Catwoman
>$100m budget
>$81m box office
Top fucking kek.

>>90752012
>Only adults by DC toys
FTFY. Marvel toys are for fucking kiddies

>>90751492
>GotG was such a better movie than Suicide Squad that I don't know even where to begin to tackle your 'points

Don't worry, you don't have one that can hold a candle since the movie is nothing but a bunch of one liners put together.

>>90751506
>Why is being dark any sort of benchmark?

They can have even more fun while going dark, dark humor, sexual characters, etc

>>90751506
>Neither was GotG.

It was an embarrasment for a comic book movie, way different.

>>90751506
>Yeah, shame they didn't get a real tree and raccoon to act in the movie.

Groot could have been practical effects instead of the walking turd that we got

>>90751506
>You think Margot Robbie's tits are somehow different or less pandering than shirtless Chris Pratt?

No, what I'm saying is that at least they ALSO show a woman showing skin, not just a bunch of dudes likes in the Marvel films

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>>90751590
>>>Adults are familiar with WW and her origin
>OK now you're really making shit up.

A lot of people know about lesbian island

>>90752080
Okay seriously, how old are you? Because there's no way you're 18 or older.

>>90748629
I remember when even the most overzealous of Marvel shills were readily admitting that BvS was probably going to make at least a billion easily.

>>90744860
>One narrative is that Warner Bros. has no idea what to do with their DC comic book properties. The other is that The Batman is hitting speed bumps because everyone involved is actively working to get this one right and want to avoid disappointing fans who were let down by Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice and Suicide Squad.
Those aren't mutually exclusive.

>>90751977

How can we measure a thing that will never exist to a thing that does exist and has more chances of happening again?

>>90745791
Fuck, you couldn't even find a pic where Evans actually looks sad.

>>90752113
If you were to ask most people what Wonder Woman's real name was they'd tell you it was Linda Carter.

>>90752080
THREAD, Marvel movies are just popcorn movies, as in forgetable

>>90752080
>Don't worry, you don't have one that can hold a candle since the movie is nothing but a bunch of one liners put together.

One of these two movies had a poorly structured narrative and even worse editing.

>>90752080
Ohhhhh shit. You're 15. Now I get it.

I'm just gonna say it Wonder Woman isn't really popular, people mostly know about her because her most famous depictions are with Batman and Superman.
Most people think she's banging one or both of them.

>>90752188
And Suicide Squad was this dark avant garde movie. Hell it even got an oscar for it's make up!