January 2017 Comic Book Sales Report - Top 100's

> 63. HAL JORDAN AND THE GREEN LANTERN CORPS #13 (DC)
> 64. EXTRAORDINARY X-MEN #18 (MAR)
> 65. UNSTOPPABLE WASP #1 (MAR)
> 66. CIVIL WAR II OATH #1 (MAR)
> 67. THANOS #3 (MAR)
> 68. INFAMOUS IRON MAN #4 (MAR)
> 69. DAREDEVIL #15 (MAR)
> 70. GREEN ARROW #14 (DC)
> 71. ALL NEW WOLVERINE #16 (MAR)
> 72. CHAMPIONS #4 (MAR)
> 73. DEADPOOL THE DUCK #1 (MAR)
> 74. SPIDER-GWEN #16 (MAR)
> 75. GREEN ARROW #15 (DC)
> 76. ALL NEW X-MEN #17 (MAR)
> 77. UNCANNY AVENGERS #19 (MAR)
> 78. MOON KNIGHT #10 (MAR)
> 79. AQUAMAN #14 (DC)
> 80. DAREDEVIL #16 (MAR)
> 81. PUNISHER #8 (MAR)
> 82. GUARDIANS OF GALAXY #16 (MAR)
> 83. HULK #2 (MAR)
> 84. AQUAMAN #15 (DC)
> 85. JESSICA JONES #4 (MAR)
> 86. RED HOOD AND THE OUTLAWS #6 (DC)
> 87. REBORN #4 (MR) (IMA)
> 88. AVENGERS #1.MU (MAR)
> 89. JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA KILLER FROST REBIRTH #1 (DC)
> 90. DEATHSTROKE #10 (DC)
> 91. AVENGERS #3.1 (MAR)
> 92. BATMAN BEYOND #4 (DC)
> 93. JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA THE ATOM REBIRTH #1 (DC)
> 94. US AVENGERS #2 (MAR)
> 95. JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA VIXEN REBIRTH #1 (DC)
> 96. SUPERGIRL #5 (DC)
> 97. BATGIRL #7 (DC)
> 98. DEATHSTROKE #11 (DC)
> 99. BATMAN TMNT ADVENTURES #3 [only the returnable issue in this chart] (IDW)
> 100. JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA THE RAY REBIRTH #1 (DC)

>Finally, Dark Horse Comics' Serenity: No Power in the 'Verse #4, based on Joss Whedon's film Serenity, was their top book of the month at #133.

Sauce: https://www.previewsworld.com/Article/190578-Exclusive-Januarys-Top-100-Best-Selling-Comics

TOP 100 GRAPHIC NOVELS
Based on Total Unit Sales of Products Invoiced in January 2017
> 1. BATMAN TP VOL 01 I AM GOTHAM (REBIRTH) (DC)
> 2. KILL OR BE KILLED TP VOL 01 (MR) (IMA)
> 3. FLASH TP VOL 01 LIGHTNING STRIKES TWICE (REBIRTH) (DC)
> 4. SUPERMAN TP VOL 01 SON OF SUPERMAN (REBIRTH) (DC)
> 5. SAGA TP VOL 01 (MR) (IMA)
> 6. JUSTICE LEAGUE TP VOL 01 THE EXTINCTION MACHINE (REBIRTH) (DC)
> 7. PAPER GIRLS TP VOL 01 (IMA)
> 8. STAR WARS HAN SOLO TP (MAR)
> 9. GREEN ARROW TP VOL 01 LIFE & DEATH OF OLIVER QUEEN (REBIRTH) (DC)
> 10. BLACK MONDAY MURDERS TP VOL 01 ALL HAIL GOD MAMMON (MR) (IMA)
> 11. GODDAMNED TP VOL 01 THE FLOOD (MR) (IMA)
> 12. WALKING DEAD TP VOL 01 DAYS GONE BYE (IMA)
> 13. STAR WARS TP VOL 04 LAST FLIGHT OF THE HARBINGER (MAR)
> 14. NIGHTWING TP VOL 01 BETTER THAN BATMAN (REBIRTH) (DC)
> 15. AQUAMAN TP VOL 01 THE DROWNING (REBIRTH) (DC)
> 16. BLACK PANTHER TP BOOK 02 NATION UNDER OUR FEET (MAR)
> 17. SUNSTONE OGN VOL 05 (MR) (IMA)
> 18. AVATAR LAST AIRBENDER TP VOL 14 NORTH SOUTH PART 2 (DAR)
> 19. CHEW TP VOL 12 (MR) (IMA)
> 20. GREEN LANTERNS TP VOL 01 RAGE PLANET (REBIRTH) (DC)
> 21. MONSTRESS TP VOL 01 (MR) (IMA)
> 22. HARLEY QUINN TP VOL 05 THE JOKERS LAST LAUGH (DC)
> 23. WOLVERINE OLD MAN LOGAN TP VOL 03 LAST RONIN (MAR)
> 24. NEIL GAIMANS FORBIDDEN BRIDES SLAVES DREAD DESIRE HC (DAR)
> 25. ONE PUNCH MAN GN VOL 10 (VIZ)
> 26. MIGHTY THOR TP VOL 01 THUNDER IN HER VEINS (MAR)
> 27. AMAZING SPIDER-MAN WORLDWIDE TP VOL 04 (MAR)
> 28. RENATO JONES ONE PERCENT TP SEASON 01 (MR) (IMA)
> 29. HARLEY QUINN HC VOL 06 BLACK WHITE & RED ALL OVER (DC)
> 30. DESCENDER TP VOL 01 TIN STARS (MR) (IMA)
> 31. INJUSTICE GODS AMONG US YEAR TWO COMPLETE COLL TP (DC)
> 32. PAPER GIRLS TP VOL 02 (IMA)
> 33. HORIZON TP VOL 01 (IMA)
> 34. TEEN TITANS GO TP VOL 03 MUMBO JUMBLE (DC)
> 35. LOVE IS LOVE GN (IDW)
> 36. STAR WARS DARTH VADER TP VOL 01 VADER (MAR)
> 37. GRAYSON TP VOL 05 SPYRALS END (DC)
> 38. HELLBLAZER TP VOL 15 HIGHWATER (MR) (DC)

>>90050490
>> 1. US AVENGERS #1 (MAR)
Rekt

Ewing is the best writer in the comic book industry right now.

>>90050524
Yeah, I'm sure the 50 variants had nothing to do with it.

> 39. WICKED & DIVINE TP VOL 01 THE FAUST ACT (MR) (IMA)
> 40. PROPHET TP VOL 05 EARTH WAR (MR) (IMA)
> 41. WOLVERINE OLD MAN LOGAN TP (MAR)
> 42. SAGA TP VOL 06 (MR) (IMA)
> 43. SEX CRIMINALS TP VOL 01 (MR) (IMA)
> 44. EAST OF WEST TP VOL 01 THE PROMISE (IMA)
> 45. I HATE FAIRYLAND TP VOL 01 MADLY EVER AFTER (MR) (IMA)
> 46. BEOWULF HC (MR) (IMA)
> 47. GREEN LANTERN HAL JORDAN TP VOL 01 (DC)
> 48. HARROW COUNTY TP VOL 04 FAMILY TREE (DAR)
> 49. MARCH GN BOOK 03 (IDW)
> 50. BITCH PLANET TP VOL 01 EXTRAORDINARY MACHINE (MR) (IMA)
> 51. UNCANNY X-MEN SUPERIOR TP VOL 03 WAKING FROM DREAM (MAR)
> 52. SCARLET WITCH TP VOL 02 WORLD OF WITCHCRAFT (MAR)
> 53. MORNING GLORIES TP VOL 10 (IMA)
> 54. BATMAN THE KILLING JOKE SPECIAL ED HC (DC)
> 55. BATGIRL TP VOL 03 POINT BLANK (DC)
> 56. MY LITTLE PONY FRIENDSHIP IS MAGIC TP VOL 11 (IDW)
> 57. BLACK SCIENCE TP VOL 01 HOW TO FALL FOREVER (MR) (IMA)
> 58. WOLVERINE ORIGIN COMPLETE COLLECTION HC (MAR)
> 59. PUNISHER MAX COMPLETE COLLECTION TP VOL 05 (MR) (MAR)
> 60. ALIENS DEFIANCE TP VOL 01 (DAR)
> 60. HOUSE OF PENANCE TP (DAR)
> 62. INCREDIBLE HULK EPIC COLLECTION TP FUTURE IMPERFECT (MAR)
> 63. OUTCAST BY KIRKMAN & AZACETA TP VOL 01 (MR) (IMA)
> 64. LEGEND OF ZELDA LEGENDARY ED GN VOL 02 ORACLE SEASONS AGES ( (VIZ)
> 65. DEPT H HC VOL 01 PRESSURE (DAR)
> 66. STARFIRE TP VOL 02 A MATTER OF TIME (DC)
> 67. DEADPOOL WORLDS GREATEST HC VOL 01 (MAR)
> 68. CAPTAIN AMERICA SAM WILSON TP VOL 03 CIVIL WAR II (MAR)
> 69. MMW INVINCIBLE IRON MAN HC VOL 10 (MAR)
> 70. PROMETHEUS LIFE AND DEATH TP VOL 01 (DAR)
> 71. A-FORCE TP VOL 02 RAGE AGAINST DYING OF LIGHT (MAR)
> 72. SAGA TP VOL 02 (MR) (IMA)
> 73. ABE SAPIEN TP VOL 08 DESOLATE SHORE (DAR)
> 74. GREEN ARROW TP VOL 07 HOMECOMING (DC)
> 75. WALKING DEAD TP VOL 02 MILES BEHIND US (NEW PTG) (IMA)
> 76. RAT QUEENS TP VOL 01 SASS & SORCERY (MR) (IMA)
> 77. SUPERMAN BATMAN SAGA OF THE SUPER SONS TP NEW ED (DC)
> 78. BATMAN DEATH AND THE MAIDENS DLX ED HC (DC)

> 79. MY LITTLE PONY PRINCESS TWILIGHT SPARKLE TP (IDW)
> 80. BLACK PANTHER TP BOOK 01 NATION UNDER OUR FEET (MAR)
> 81. AMAZING SPIDER-MAN WORLDWIDE HC VOL 01 (MAR)
> 82. WALKING DEAD TP VOL 26 CALL TO ARMS (MR) (IMA)
> 83. UNFOLLOW TP VOL 02 GOD IS WATCHING (MR) (DC)
> 84. THIEF OF THIEVES TP VOL 06 (MR) (IMA)
> 85. JACK KIRBY FANTASTIC FOUR ARTIST ED HC (NET) (IDW)
> 86. STAR WARS LEGENDS EPIC COLLECTION TP VOL 01 NEWSPAPER STRIPS (MAR)
> 87. SPIDER-MAN 2099 TP VOL 05 CIVIL WAR II (MAR)
> 88. WATCHMEN TP NEW ED (DC)
> 89. BATMAN ARKHAM MANBAT TP (DC)
> 90. MAE TP VOL 01 (DAR)
> 91. RED ONE HC VOL 02 UNDERCOVER (MR) (IMA)
> 92. WALKING DEAD COMPENDIUM TP VOL 01 (MR) (IMA)
> 93. CATWOMAN TP VOL 06 FINAL JEOPARDY (DC)
> 94. IRON MAN EPIC COLLECTION TP BY FORCE OF ARMS (MAR)
> 95. SAGA TP VOL 05 (MR) (IMA)
> 96. WOLVERINE TP WEAPON X UNBOUND (MAR)
> 97. CHECKMATE BY GREG RUCKA TP VOL 01 (DC)
> 98. WOLVERINE BY DANIEL WAY COMPLETE COLLECTION TP VOL 01 (MAR)
> 99. MICKEY MOUSE MYSTERIOUS MELODY HC (IDW)
> 100. SAGA TP VOL 03 (MR) (IMA)


Sauce: https://www.previewsworld.com/Article/190579-Exclusive-Januarys-Top-100-Best-Selling-Graphic-Novels

WHY IS VENOM SELLING SO WELL?

ARE VENOM READERS RETARDED OR SOMETHING?

Also, "Champions" is already needing a relaunch. Good job, Waid.

Where is captain marvel #1?

>>90050590
32nd, behind fucking Dr. Aphra #3

YAAS QUEEN!

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>>90050620
>be marvel wonder woman
>#1 issue just manage to get to 32 spot

Well

>>90050490
> 34. HARLEY QUINN #11 (DC)
> 41. HARLEY QUINN #12 (DC)

Aww. FUCK!. #11 is up 4 postion compared to December, but #12 is in the same as in December, whic is good thing. I want this series to keep dropping

>>90050694
Meanwhile. 72 Ms Marvel #50 $3.99 Marvel 25,309 http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2010/2010-02.html

>>90050490
> 24. VENOM #3 (MAR)
>This is Marvel's strongest newest ongoing right now

Why?

> 28. UNWORTHY THOR #3 (MAR)
Ireallywish you weren't a limited series.

> 29. WONDER WOMAN #14 (DC)
> 30. WONDER WOMAN #15 (DC)
> 32. MIGHTY CAPTAIN MARVEL #1 (MAR)
Who was it that said that they didn't want Captain Marvel to be their WW because they wanted Carol to be a hero that actually sells well?

> 19. DETECTIVE COMICS #949 (DC)
> 20. FLASH #14 (DC)
> 21. SUPERMAN #14 (DC)
> 22. FLASH #15 (DC)
> 23. SUPERMAN #15 (DC)
This is interesting, I'm counting Flash sliding down to Superman levels to be more likely than Superman suddenly getting a spike up, then again Multiversity shenanigans.

> 45. AVENGERS #3 (MAR)
Christ will this book ever sell Justice League levels?

> 55. AMAZING SPIDER-MAN RENEW YOUR VOWS #3 (MAR)
Eh, honestly I dropped this shit.

> 59. GREEN LANTERNS #14 (DC)
> 60. HAL JORDAN AND THE GREEN LANTERN CORPS #12 (DC)
> 61. BLACK PANTHER #10 (MAR)
I guess the black bump is gone

>>90050569
I think people are just holding out for Eddie.

>no Blue Beetle
Giffen needs to stop being given the character(s), espacially when he has explicitly displayed disinterest in writing the character again in the past.

The book is slowly becoming JL3K1/Sugar and Spike team-up

>>90050543
Sssh, let him have his fun. Reminder that Ultimates Squared debuted at terrible numbers. Ewing fans need a ray of hope. Even if it will slide down by pretty likely more than 50% the next issue.

>>90050490

DP is hanging in middle of the pack with most of his books, and yet almost all of the jan/feb issues of DP have been not great save Mercs and it didn't even stay in top 100, not good news.

well I suppose the filler writers for kellypool book weren't completely terrible.

maybe they weren't wrong, look how many people bought Femthor(whor) sitting at 35. Apparently we do want diversity.

>>90050694
Hi, I am Nick Spencer and would like to say that Captain Marvel #1 was a huge best-seller in digital sales, in fact, the biggest seller ever. I won't show numbers, but believe me.

>>90050826
>Baiting this hard
Either way, we already see the Comixology Rankings and Mighty Captain Marvel didn't place shit.

>Deathstroke at 90
I really hope the Titans crossover gives it a decent bump if nothing else.

>>90050520
>TOP 100 GRAPHIC NOVELS

So if it wasn't for the two SW trades, Marvel wouldn't have ANY collections of TPBs in the top 20. I knew their trades didn't sell well because they just seemed to be.a zip up for their floppies down to the stupid 'coming next' pages right in front of the identical covers of the next issue, without any variants, pencil art or other bonus content, but this is a real surprise.

>>90050798
>Ultimates Squared
I agree that it's a dumb name for a title and that's why it's doing so poorly. But you're just jealous because Foreman is actually pulling out his A game instead of phoning it n like he's been doing the past few years and the book is actually amazing.

>>90050826
Spencer really sounds like Trump when he is trying to promote marvel

>>90050870

Isn't that usually the case though?

>>90050569
>WHY IS VENOM SELLING SO WELL?

Hype for Venom #150 aka Eddie's return.

>>90050569
if you look at the Venom fansite, they actually like it. I have no idea why.

>> 1. US AVENGERS #1 (MAR)
>> 94. US AVENGERS #2 (MAR)

Worse than champions... Ewing can't save marvel

>>90050886
> Foreman is actually pulling out his A game instead of phoning it n like he's been doing the past few years and the book is actually amazing.

Is the book solid? Yes. Is Foreman in his A game? Dubious. Is his colorist shit? Absolutely. Sorry, I can't appreciate his art if his colors look jacked.

>>90050717
This month's issues had Joker on the cover. a bump was inevitable.

>>90050918

I was looking at that too, so you could say without the variants, it fell pretty hard, or is that just because it had such a short selling time when the second issue sales were counted, maybe it would have better numbers with Feb counted?

>>90050524
Refer to this
>>90050918

>>90050930
Oh yeah, I forgot. Guess this motnhs issues are going to keep dropping

>>90050928
It's more than solid and the last couple of issues Foreman has been at his best.

>>90050936
According to that logic every bimonthly rebirth book would've bombed harder than champions

>>90050936
>Short selling time
You're an idiot. These numbers are what were shipped to retailers. Feb numbers would be lower since those are reprints like reprints always do. Ewing doesn't sell.

>>90050490
>>90050496
>All X books in the top 100 while phoning it in
>No shithumans, not a trace of them
Marvel utterly BTFO

>>90050980

I have ignorance when it comes to the industry but I was just putting out a hypothetical, asshole.

>>90050967

So then it was just on merits of the issue/writer itself and not duration nor anything else?

>>90050980
Continuity porn cameo Ewing doesn't sell...
Ewing selling was always a meme

>>90051002
Is apologise for the offensive anon, probably there was zero demand for USA avengers and #1 orders were inflated by variants requiring to order 100 of the regular cover, #2 to #5 will accurately reflect the real sales of the comic

Out of curiosity, I have print subs for a few things from Marvel. Are they counted in this? Or do they not count since they're not through a comic book store?

>>90050928
>>90050886
>>90050963
>Talking about abysmal sales and how Ewing can't sell a book
>Brings up the artist and says that you're just jealous without acknowledging any of the previously established points
Marveldrones.

>>90051002
>Thinking writer/artist actually affect this
Sure if you're Grant Morrison and Jim Lee (or anyone in a similar super star status) but no, it depends on hype, market climate, overships, and how many fucking variants it has. USAvengers #1 for example has 50+ Variants.

>>90050490

> 1001 variant covers
> Gives Free copies away
> Only 3 out 10 books in the top 10

Marvel doesn't learn right?

>>90051066
They have majority market share loser.

Say what you will about Aaron, but he sells.

Except for Spider-Man, naturally, the two Thors are the best seller solo heroes from Marvel.

Maybe "Avengers" could get closer of the top 10 if Aaron was the writer.

>>90050490

>No Nova in the top 100.
>Yass Queen! Carol is in the top 100

Feels bad guys.

>>90051071

Yeah but it doesn't seem equal by numbers if you're counting dollars/books shipped or sold as a way to gauge that.

Since they're not similarly priced, and it seems like marvel does a lot of gimmicks to get their numbers up or am I looking at the wrong? If you're counting numbers that shops never asked for to increase their share of the market..then how can you count it just because they do?

Sounds like shell game economics to bone up their numbers.

>>90050861
I just dropped deathstroke myself. the writing has been all over the place.

>>90051071
Imagine if DC sold their books at 3.99 instead of 2.99... Wanna do the math?

>>90051112
>Dropping the best twice-monthly Rebirth book right now
Your loss :^) Come back when you're smarter maybe you can appreciate it then.

>>90051117
But they're not, because they're stupid, making Rebirth a failure. Spencer is right. Only Didiots price their book at $3 when the market shows that they're willing to accept $5<

I am actually worry about Ewing guys, once royals and Rocket Racoon fails, will marvel just kick him out?

>>90051141
Yet they are changing prices in some books, yet Marvel is losing more and more every month.

You know how Marvel has this crazy numbers?
> Free Comics for LCS - included #1 like Champions and Mosaic
> Huge amount of Variants - see the drop from USAvengers #1 and #2

Their numbers are fake as shit while DC is proving having solid numbers month in month out

>>90051126
I don't think I can just be smarter? 2dum4stroke

>>90051071
>>90051092
>>90051112
Marvel has more books in the market and they are more expensive, so all in all they gain more money and are probably happy with it.

But yeah, Marvel doesn't seem to be able to gather a lot of interest in one book, except for Spider-Man, and just because it is Spider-Man.

>>90051084
>Maybe "Avengers" could get closer of the top 10 if Aaron was the writer.

I would read an Aaron Avengers series if the team was made up of Asgardian characters.

>Thor/Odinson
>Sif
>Fandral
>Hogun
>Volstagg

>Angela, Sera and Leah recur as unofficial members.

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>>90051085
Carol's a better character so good.

>>90050717
that means that its going up and stabilized at its current numbers you anon

>>90051117
>Imagine if DC sold their books at 3.99 instead of 2.99
Shops are already boycotting their titles that went from 2.99 to 3.99, so...

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> 1. US AVENGERS #1 (MAR)
> 94. US AVENGERS #2 (MAR)

Wow, this shit must be an unbearable read for it to be dropped like a bad habit. #2 should be in the 10-30s or so, not nearly flopping off the top 100.

>>90051141
Man, Spencer straight up called Marvel readers "zombies" when he said that.

And the guy is a fucking hypocrite, too.

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>>90050490
>1. US AVENGERS #1 (MAR)
>94. US AVENGERS #2 (MAR)

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>>90051214
Damn

>>90051194

That's a man, baby.

>>90051231
are they? The only similar thing I know of is the article in Bleeding Cool that says that he's NOT boycotting.

>>90051231

> source my ass

>>90051231
Source?

>>90051194
By that logic, Dr Aphra is a better characyee than her

>>90051245
>>90051232
This seriously embarrassing.

>>90051268
>>90051273
bleeding cool

>>90051265
read it again

>>90051289
Show me.

>>90051265
>>90051268
>>90051273

I believe only one store is doing it so far.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/02/16/on-boycotting-dc-3-99-titles-and-the-lowest-marvel-sales-in-years/

>First, there was the news that DC Comics are increasing the price of their monthly titles to $3.99, including a Buy-Physical-Get-Digital code – but keeping the ComiXologfy price at $2.99. And Vernon is taking action.

>"As a response to the unequal pricing of DC’s online versions of their monthly $3.99 line, I have decided that these books will be available for subscribers and special order only. I cannot support books where DC’s mindset is to eliminate us as main sellers of their product."

>>90051298

see
>>90051302

>>90051286
Remember when you used to complain about how all the good titles aren't selling well and only the crap is selling well? Oh my how the tables have turned dc baby. Look at all the titles in the top 20, USAvengers shits on all of them and you know it but now suddenly /co/ cares more about sales than quality.

>>90051071
kek

> In November, Marvel Comics was top publisher with a 38.08% dollar share and a 39.46% unit share. In December, Marvel slipped on the amount of dollars, though increased unit share with a 36.73% dollar share and a 40.50% unit share, as a direct result of specific sending out of extra copies of comics, for free, to bulk up a retailers order and get counted on the unit share chart – but not the dollar share chart.
> "kek lets send out more free comics and lose money for it so we can say we have more comics out than dc and our #1 are great"


They are genius!

>>90051302
>>90051289

must have been this article
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/02/16/on-not-boycotting-dc-3-99-titles-and-the-lowest-marvel-sales-in-years/

>>90051312
>ONE fucking store that in fact isn't boycotting at all, but selling to subscribers.

Fuck you.

>>90051332
>but not the dollar share chart.
And they still won the dollar share too. So what's your point?

>>90051316
>Remember when you used to complain about how all the good titles aren't selling well and only the crap is selling well?
I was?

>>90051363
Marvel comics are literally at the least a dollar more expensive than DC comics. They always were gonne win that.

>>90051316
USAvengers #2 must be really good, because I didn't find the first issue good at all.

>>90051378
Most likely. What were you doing in February 2016? Or February 2015? Be honest. Where you celebrating Marvel btfo'ing DC in sales?

>>90051245
there's only one thing for Ewing to do
Nudist Beach episode in the Savage Lands

>>90051392
>They always were gonne win
It's good that you know.

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>>90051245

>>90051363

by sending more out they're ballooning their dollar share by trying to out produce units, not by selling them.

So you send out 10, number 1s a month, knowing it will get more units sold for that month and act as if the brand or property itself is doing the selling instead of using psychological issue number 1 as the selling point.

I bet if you adjusted units = units sold based on another baseline or go by money share of how many comics that dollar share is spread across you would see what they're arguing better. Flooding the market to win and using gimmicks isn't selling it on the basis of the individual book or the writing/art..its business gimmicks.

>>90051363
> Selling for 3.99
> Having more titles

What you expected? Point being every single month you see Marvel doing stupid shit that is killing their fanbase to the point they don't even care about event
IF they didn't spoil the real numbers you would see a much closer Market Share with Marvel taking the Dolar Share only because they have more titles and they sell it higher price.

While DC is making each month more and more money for equal amount of sales.

>>90050490
>8. MONSTERS UNLEASHED #1 (MAR)
So, since nobody will ask, I will: where are the second and the third issues? They didn't even make to the Top 100?

>>90050490
I´m glad that marvels sjw push is continuing to fail hard

>>90051449
those came out February.

did USAvengers #2 even get storytimed?

>>90051449

It fell out of the top 100 by issue 2 most likely. It was never going to stay considering that book is based on next generation sjw characters.

>>90051395
>USAvengers #2 must be really good, because I didn't find the first issue good at all.

it got some hype on twitter because people think Golden Skull is based on Trump.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/01/20/notice-inauguration-day-weeks-comic-books/

>And in USAvengers, described The Golden Skull in… certain terms. Not paying people he hires. Making promises he doesn’t keep. And thinking he’s clever.

>But it wasn’t just repetition of key anti-Trump speaking points, their Captain-America-from-the-future Danielle Cage had some other political points to make.

>The Euro-Crash? Well, we know that Trump is opposed to the European Union… anyone else fancy an analogy?

>>90051449
You right, we didn't even check that event.

How many tie-ins were released in January? I only can find this two
42. SPIDER-MAN DEADPOOL #1.MU (MAR)
88. AVENGERS #1.MU (MAR)

>>90051316
>Look at all the titles in the top 20

yeah mostly comics white white male protagonists that stare in comics free of sjw crap

really glorious

>>90051468
it did.

>>90051481
This isn't true.

Detective Comics has lesbians and trans and is selling well.

>>90050490
I know it's only because of the variant gimmick, but it's still nice to see a Ewing book that high. Too bad it's going to plummet after the first issue.

>>90051399
>What were you doing in February 2016?
I wasn't in /co/.

>Or February 2015?
Wasn't reading comics.

>>90050870
Black Panther is in the top 20

Is the bookcans list out?

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>>90051316
I want whatever drugs your on because you're fucking delusional as hell.

>>90050569
Oh, pipe down. You all ready know they're going to kill Sasuke off in like 3 issues for Venom 150.

>>90051480
>How many tie-ins were released in January?

January:
Avengers 1.MU
Spider-Man/Deadpool 1.MU

February:
All-New X-Men 1.MU
Champions 1.MU
Doctor Strange 1.MU
Uncanny Inhumans 1.MU

March:
Guardians of the Galaxy 1.MU
Totally Awesome Hulk 1.MU

So no ghost rider in the top 100 ?

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>>90050490
> 33. SPIDER-MAN #12 (MAR)
> 72. CHAMPIONS #4 (MAR)

>>90051316
>People pointing out the drop on the book pertaining to it doing really bad
>Bring in DC because
Marveldrones

>>90051608

Just let it in bro, let the failure waft under your nose.

>>90051617
I'm surprised Miles book is outselling Champions

>>90051608
spot 72 isnt that bad, that mean your book is doing 30-39k

>>90051635

Spidey brand is a much better brand. Same reason you can sell just about any kind of nonsense you want under starwars.

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> 72. CHAMPIONS #4 (MAR)

Nice flagship book, Waid.

>>90051635
Because Miles' book is called "Spider-Man". Literally just because of that.

>>90050490
Spam of old DC characters and fucking Venom
I don't know why I'm still reading comics, shit taste nostalgifags will always rule and ruin everything

>>90050490
>61. BLACK PANTHER #10 (MAR)
Nice can these fuckers finally get rid of Coates

>>90050490
Yaass Queen is ranked 32! Boohahaha!

What a glorious moment to watch that shitty and hilariously pushed down to our throats character named Carol Danvers, receiving the praise it deserves.

>>90051667
What the fuck were you expecting? Mosaic?

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>>90050490
>> 2. BATMAN #14 (DC)
>> 3. BATMAN #15 (DC)
>> 4. JUSTICE LEAGUE POWER RANGERS #1 (DC)
>> 6. ALL STAR BATMAN #6 (DC)
>> 7. JUSTICE LEAGUE SUICIDE SQUAD #3 (DC)
>> 10. JUSTICE LEAGUE #12 (DC)
It is for you, my children.

>>90051640
>>90051657
It's overshipped

>>90051519
Oh it shows

>>90051558
Nice shitpost.

>>90051699
Dan you are mythical! Period!

>>90051749
It didn't when you assumed that I used to complain about sales since 2015.

>>90051699
Why is the Justice League brand so fucking powerful?

Seriously, why Avengers books don't come even close?

I am not baiting, I really want to know. I cannot understand.

>>90051812
kek savage.

>>90050490
>Captain Carol probably sold 60k
Yaas Queen Slay

>>90051832
Because JL is best and the most popular capeshit team of all time with great iconic stories and one of the best animated show, while avengers is bunch of shitty heroes who became popular among normies only after the movie?

>>90051832
Because it has better and more iconic characters and heroes. The Avengers are a pure imitation of Justice League, with "heroes" that fight most of times each other, or other super hero teams like the X-Men, which is actually Mervel's premier team, but even this was ruined by the rat's company greed, because "not muh rights".

>>90051832
Justice League is an institution and has been for like 50 years, it has almost all of DC's A-Listers by design. Imagine if Avengers had Spider-Man, X-Men, Deadpool, and only the most popular of the current roster.

>>90051832
Batman.

>>90051832
That month because of events and a #1

>>90051935
what #1?

>>90051948
Justice league/ Power Rangers

>>90051948
#1+11

>>90051928

It would be selling better most likely. Problem is marvel doesn't have decent writers and the ones that handle some characters well don't use other well at all.

I'd like Duggan to try his hand at doing some bigger books but would hate to lose him on DP .

>>90051832
Marvel Universe doesn't benefit from a Justice League analog.
originally Avengers was a way to group together the characters who weren't popular enough to sustain a solo book at a given time but still had a fanbase that wanted more of them.

then retardation happened and Avengers become nothing more than overexposure for already popular characters which just drives away people who aren't interested in reading about those characters, and the characterfags hardly give a shit because it almost always reverts to the Cap and/or Tony Show no matter how much they swap around the rest of the roster, with everyone else just doing what they're told until they quit and never getting character development

>>90051935
Don't be delusional. Justice League even in its worse always outsold the Avengers. Marvel's most popular team has always been the X-Men, but Mervel ruined them too, by killing off the 2 most popular members, Wolverine and Cyclops, and Uncanny ranking now lower than the 40 best selling books.

>>90051674
It's still one of Marvel's highest selling ongoings. Marvel just isn't selling very well across the board

>>90050490
>2 Marvel #1's
>3 Batman books
>3 JL books
>TWD
>Spider-Man
Amaaazing.

>>90051985
I'm almost positive Bendis's garbage was outselling the Justice League

>>90051657
YOU SEE THE THING IS WAID

>>90051832
question, and I don't mean anything by this it's just a thought that popped into my head earlier today
how many of you actually prefer Justice League stories over the solo stories about your favorite members? in general, not specifically the current runs?

>>90052013
Only during the massive events and crossovers. Outside of these, normally the Avengers sold less than the Justice League and the X-Men.

>>90051928
>Spider-Man, X-Men, Deadpool, and only the most popular of the current roster.
isn't that the Uncanny Avengers minus Spider-Man? that's all the way down in place 77, below even Wasp and Deadpool the Duck

>>90052013
Ah and of course, Bendis's Avengers roster included Spiderman and Wolverine, who during this period were by far the most popular Marvel's superheroes, and this eventually boost their sales.

>>90051832
>justice league is a team the largely has the most popular comic characters of all time
>Avengers has a constantly changing cast made up non A-listers 90% of the time
Sure everyone knows cap but he isn't a spider-man or wolverine tier seller, so why would you expect a team with him and even less popular characters sell.

>>90052063

to be honest not really, and spiderman is back in Uncanny. as of next issue but really it's been at best a mishmash of characters but I agree in principle, my argument for problems of the book is you're dealing with a lot of the hydracap nonsense and the terrigen nonsense as the backdrop for the book with the team fighting over the various issues in the world and it isn't that interesting.

I mean Hydracap getting angry at mutant members because they're trying to keep their species from being wiped out is why he disbands the team. A lot of un-interesting background noise and focus of the book being on red skull..its frankly just not that interesting.

>>90052063
With exception of dead pool it is the mutants nobody cares about nobody actually buys a book for rogue and cable and a new character. I think Cap is gone now that he is old. Dead pool is already carrying like 4 other books.

>>90051974
Marvel has better writer right now.

>>90052132

Who?

>>90052130

Deadpool is spread way too fucking thin and is creating brand lag. I mean seriously Deadpool duck and all the other offshoot shit. Also his main book has serious problems right now, like last 3 issues have been boring.

The sooner they get to Stryfe and bring him back into modern fold, the better.

>>90052141
No one. The Marvel comics are still garbage for the most part. There are a couple of exceptions, but the majority are awful.

>>90052166

That was my point.

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>>90050490
>> 53. TEEN TITANS #4 (DC)
*content sigh*

>>90052141
Ewing, Duggan, Loveness, Aaron, Thompson, Spencer, Brisson, Rosenberg, Felipe Smith, Kelly

>>90052164
I dropped my deadpool pulls this month, I'm hard out

>>90052273

it wouldn't surprise me, duggan feels tired right now and all of the last issues have not been as good lately. Especially now that we have kellypool to compare to..and I mean finally killing off shiklah could be great so I have hopes, and stryfe.

So hold on anon.

>>90052260

Ewing is trapped on no name books, Duggan is spread way too thin and feels tired, not sure about the others but what little Marvel has, they're stretching these people out way too much.

>>90052260
>Loveness
which book are they writin rn?

>>90052130
Factually incorrect, Cable is one of the few mutants I'll buy a book for and Rogue has enough waifufags that X-men: Legacy was able to be a Rogue solo book for years.

>>90052260
>X-MEN
Who the fuck is Kelly?

>>90052348
Nova

>>90052374

Joe Kelly is doing Spiderman/Dp book anon.

>>90052331
>Ewing is trapped on no name books
>trapped
Considering he gravitates towards c-listers, "trapped" isn't really the word I'd use.

>>90052374
Joe Kelly, you pleb.

>>90052379
ah, kay. they're cool

>>90052164
>>90052311
>>90052273

Yeah, same. I tried to read Deadpool after Secret Wars and I just didn't like it as much as I was enjoying the series before SW/when Posehn was the co-writer.

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>>90052331
>Ewing is trapped on no name books
>Avengers
>no name
The man probably couldn't sell an X-book. Not to mention he always tries to fill books with no names. It's not even D-listers he puts in characters that few or no titles in their history.

>>90052384
>>90052413
Ah okay.

I thought you're referring to fucking Kelly Sue.

>>90052430

US Avengers, come on dude be honest with yourself.

In same vein as Great Lakes Avengers, might as well call them Canadian Avengers. Nobody gives a shit about affix titled Avengers books and by numbers people barely care about the main one.

Be honest.

>>90052430
>spending like a third of his Ultimates^2 panel time on a bunch of re-imagined New Universe characters
I mean, as one of the like 5 New Universe fans in the world, this makes me happy but I can't imagine it does much for the average reader.

>>90052331
>trapped on no name books
Are you one of those people that only read "important" comics with A listers? Because if so then you're an idiot. And Ewing is in line for the next big event after Secret Empire.

>>90052452
USAvengers is a continuation of New Avengers. "New Avengers" was the name of the flagship Avengers book since '05.

>>90052427

The issues were there before Posehn left. DP gets these stories where they're basically filler gap stories where they're plodded to space out events and increase book numbers but really there's nothing too them.

The valentines story, cap story, the one before that on last page with his daughter made that book somewhat better than a hot mess..and you had DP visiting Mistress death but really, you could see issues with this entire run so far going back to November.

>>90052452
New Avengers sold low too and that was the flagship book under Hickman.

>>90052485

I know but how many people are following the book and don't do it out of mere tribalism, I like Ewing but you're acting like that is enough in itself.

>>90052474

No I actually like oddball offshoots personally but the original topic of the posts was about what Marvel has and if he does get bumped up then that is fine but the point was about their bench depth.

>>90052459
The average reader would rather have 20 pages of Spider-Man and Wolverine sitting around drinking coffee than a good story with characters who haven't starred in a movie.

>>90052459
I'd never heard of New Universe until Ultimates^2 but I liked how he used these characters I've never seen before. they worked way better than Maker's goon squad in New Avengers

>>90052485
Remender's Uncanny Avengers was the flagship and its sales were under the regular Avengers.

>>90052516
>point was about their bench depth.
Exactly, and they have great depth. The point however was that Marvel has better writers.

>>90052516
That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying it's not a "no name book." Ewing isn't "trapped" on "no name books."

If Ewing was given Uncanny X-men, he'd fill the roster with New Mutants. If he was given adjectiveless Avengers, he'd bring back Rage, Justice, Firestar, and Jack'o'Hearts. Ewing just prefers working with non-a-list characters regardless of what book he's put on so it's silly to imply that he's somehow not being allowed to write "major" books.

>>90052427
I didn't even like deadpool during Posehn, dropped it after the first couple issue, I know people say it gets better after the first arc but I'm pretty sure it's just stockholm syndrome.

>>90052459
>spending like a third of his Ultimates^2 panel time on a bunch of re-imagined New Universe characters
>Makes a villain team with the likes of Angar Paibok, and Skar

>>90052604

oh I get what you're saying.

>>90050490
Now that Dick is selling as much as Harley, when can DC shill him to the heavens and back?

>>90052650

He doesn't have a vagina, anon.

>>90052669
But he has a hell of an ass.

He and Harley are the only "tumblr characters" that actually sell.

>>90050916
What? No they don't. The majority of the comments are pretty negative.

>>90052688

boipussy doesn't count anon.

>>90052589
>>90052589
Continue to be delusional. Marvel is milking Ewing so fast and so hard, that soon also will write crap, as the majority of their writers. Oh and Spencer is a shitty writer. And Aaron is hit and miss.

>>90050490
why is it all just capeshit? anything actually good, different or new in that list?

>>90052615

I think a lot of their storylines did better than usual because of Remender so once he was gone, they've had to plot it out on their own and have coasted a lot on it.

>>90050490
>JUSTICE LEAGUE POWER RANGERS
when i thought capeshit couldnt sink any lower it found a way

>>90052727
Spencer is hit and miss but so are most writers. When he's good he's amazing Superior Foes, The Fix, Hydra Cap us awesome too. Aaron is really damn good.

>>90052746
"Saga" is on the list.

>>90052727
Continue to be delusional
Ewing is the best writer at the big 2 right now

>>90052770
Hydra Cap is mediocre at best. Aaron wrote some of the worst X-Men comics in the history, or do we forget Schism?

>>90052799

dude you can't even hear what people are saying over your fanboyism.

You're acting defensive when he is telling you source of the problem and not that he dislikes ewing.

>>90052650
Correction. Harley is selling as worse as Nightwing.

It's no where close to how much she used to sell before.

>>90052799
Your opinion and in your dreams perhaps my dear shill. Priest is the best writer at the big 2.

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>>90052697
>boipussy doesn't count
GET OUT OF /CO/ AND NEVER COME BACK

>>90052830
Yeah, Harley has fallen.

>>90052840

In the land of shilling vaginas for sales, it doesn't anon, don't be deluded by it.

>>90052830
>Harley is selling as worse as Nightwing.
Nigga please.

They are outselling Marvel's flagship books.

>>90052850
Not as much as Batgirl.

>>90052874
Marvel is in pathetic state and they deserve it, but Harley isn't doing as well as she used to be before.

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>>90051729
OH GOD REALLY?

Fuck, and I thought this was already bad.

>>90052815
Oh fuck off they're not stretching him thin since he's still producing amazing stuff

>>90052837
Don't make me laugh

>>90052830
Her book is really bad and I'm not surprised that it is doing worse.

>>90052929
Truth is painful i know, to be accepted. Ewingfags are delusional. Priest is the best.

>>90050496
> 89. JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA KILLER FROST REBIRTH #1 (DC)
> 93. JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA THE ATOM REBIRTH #1 (DC)
> 95. JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA VIXEN REBIRTH #1 (DC)
> 100. JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA THE RAY REBIRTH #1 (DC)

Best Girl in the lead

>>90052979
Priest is washed up. And he was never that great outside of Black Panther.

>>90052799
Ewing is just Marvel's Johns.

>>90053014
Thanks for showing what a casual you are.

>>90053014
Anon please....The current Deathstroke is fantastic.

>>90053037
In Johns dreams.

>>90053014
Nope, he is better today than he was a decade ago. I think his time away from comics made him a more mature writer.

>>90053037
>>90053045

>>90053066
Johns fucking sells.

>>90052906
How Marvel can be in worse shape than DC beggars the imagination.

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>ctrl+F Hawkeye
>no results

>>90053077
Don't make me laugh, he's old and his best years are behind him and Death stroke is a retarded character.

>>90053257
>Death stroke

>>90053212
It is truly amazing.

Kate Bishop received Carol Danvers' level of shilling and can't remain in the Top 100 for two issues.

The only "new" Marvel character that can do it is Miles, and only because his book is named "Spider-Man".

>>90053098
The reason Johns sells is because his books matter. They affect other books in the DCU.
Inter-title continuity, where each title affects one another, doesn't really exist in DC anymore. All of the changes and consequences come from a handful of A-tier books and everything else just follows them.
Nothing in Wonder Woman's solo title is ever going to affect anything outside of her own book. But if Johns wrote WW, it would.

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>1. US AVENGERS #1 (MAR)
>94. US AVENGERS #2 (MAR)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>90053045
Deny however you want, Ewing and Johns both just write anime tier dumb mashups with some low effort meta shit.

>>90053546
>DC EWING! DC EWING!

>>90053257
Fuck you.

Priest is a better writer through and through PERIOD. He could actually write a novel, while Ewing's talent is basically "Hey, Marvel's current cosmic order is like this, and look this forgotten character".

So are those Nightwing , Red Hood and Deathstroke numbers good or bad? I can't tell and they are my fave rebirth books.

>>90054002

Nightwing is doing decent the other two are hurting.

>>90054002
We don't know without the numbers considering they've been dropping every month now, especially the double shipping ones

>>90054017

Did people expect much out of Deathstroke and Red Hood though? I actually think that Nightwing should do better, if not then just leave him in the Titans without a solo.

>>90054017
>>90054051

Dammit that sucks

>>90054002
Nightwing is outselling all X-Men books, and just being in the Top 100 is good enough for Red Hood and Deathstroke.

>>90054068

Yep. Wally shouldve got a solo before Dick.

>>90054002
You probably want to wait until the full numbers on Monday but since they are still grouped with the same books as they were last month they are fine. Probably finally settling in.

I mention the grouping more than the numerical rank because there were several more event books this month than last and Marvel's relaunches will have some of their books moving around until they settle too. But it seems like the ranks aren't much different either.

>>90054068
Deathstroke and Red Hood always maintained enough to hold a solo for 20 or more.

>>90050490
>36. TITANS #7 (DC)
>53. TEEN TITANS #4 (DC)
When will DC learn to stop pushing cartoon Teen Titans garbage? Nobody wants them and wants the book with Wally, Dick, and the less well known characters more.

>>90054105
>>90054095


Okay, thanks for the info.

>>90054124

They should keep Wally, Dick, Roy, maybe Donna and move Star, Beast Boy, Raven, Aquakid, and Cyborg to the Titans book.

>>90054068

But Nightwing does well solo. Why cancel his book , especially when he's a nothing character in Titans?

>>90054084
For reference, here are December's numbers:
>85. Red Hood and the Outlaws #5 32,860
>86. Deathstroke #8 32,530
>89. Deathstroke #9 31,519

>>90054002
Red Hood is doing good for a monthly. Nightwing is decent and Deathstroke is the worst selling double shipping book.

>>90054151
>putting cartoon Teen Titans and NTT garbage in with Titans
Yeah that worked out for the 2008 book

What they need to do is do NEW things, not rely on the cartoon and NTT.

>>90054124
It's good because it keeps the NTT/cartoon shit contained to one book while the other can explore non-80s stuff.

>>90054151
People like you are the problem. No one wants fucking Beast Boy, Raven, or Cyborg in the Titans book. They can fuck off.

>>90054166

Because you're talking to a wallyfag that is trying to prop up his princess.

>>90054174
>No one wants fucking Beast Boy, Raven, or Cyborg in the Titans book
False. People are clamoring for those three to get in with the big boys and be with their friends again, especially Cyborg.

They're almost as big a problem as DC keeping cartoon TT together in a TT book.

They should have let Way claim Beast Boy for Doom Patrol to save him.

>>90054169
That should do alright for 20-30 issues.

>>90054170
Yeah, all the monthly are suffering expect for a few who are doing well enough.

Deathstroke on the other hand look like it's going to be a monthly soon.

>>90054179

Its dumb though. Just gove both Dick and Wally solos. It doesnt have to be one or the other. Besides we need them both there to prop up the rest of the nobodies on the Titans team.

>>90054208
Literally no one wants them in the Titans book but you. They are cancerous characters who should be shipped off to limbo.

>>90054169
Not bad for Red Hood I think

>>90054170

Man, I hate that such a good Deathstroke book aint getting any attention

>>90054095

Nightwing is such a weird character for a solo book imo. I honestly didnt think he was very interesting to people, so his book is doing better than I thought. Poor x-books though

>>90054232
DC really need to do something to help the monthlies. They are suffering because of the double shipping.

>>90054247
I don't want them in the book either, dumbass.

Go outside of /co/ and you will see people screaming at DC to put them in the Titans book and get Cyborg out of the JL.

>>90054252
>Man, I hate that such a good Deathstroke book aint getting any attention

It's getting what you expect: A couple thousand extra readers and the characterfags haven't been scared off yet. That's good for Deathstroke. When you're not A-List that's success.

>>90054232

Why are the monthlies and DS doing so bad? Not enough promotion?

>>90054305
I don't think the price increase in April will help...

>>90054252
I am actually surprised that Deathstroke isn't doing worse.

The character has a fanbase, but they are almost all teenagers edgelords. I really can't see said fanbase digging the current run.

>>90054002
These are Diamond orders, right? Not including digital sales?

>>90054095
All X-Men books are currently bad. It's not really a great feat to surpass them in sales.

>>90054234

This is true. Nobody gives much of a shit about the rest of the Titans, so Dickfags who hate Seeley and desperate Wallyfags are holding that book up.

>>90054286

The fact that he gets this fr without Batman in every issue is surprising. I expect him to tank at some point though.

>>90054305
>>90054332
All books are losing sales.
http://www.comicsbeat.com/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-chart-december-2016-comic-readers-vs-retailer-incentive-variants/

Double shipping is nice because 2 60k books are better than 1 60k book and a C lister book about to get cancelled, but at the same time, double shipping causes sales decrease because people can't keep up or drop other books to accommodate the double shipping book.

>>90054002

Those guys are ok. Its Teen Titans, Batgirl, and Batgirl and the BoP that I'm worried about. I'm glad DC gave so much of the Batfamily outside of Tim their own books, but not sure if they can be maintained.

>>90054356
I would actually say it's the wally fans and people hoping for more rebirth reveal are holding this book up.

>>90054332
That's just how the current market works. People only buy the big characters. For everyone else as long as they stay above 20k they're doing fine. Do not mischaracterize their performance as bad.

>>90054354
Correct but you can generally estimate the digital sales as 10-15% of the physical ones. There's a guy who posts the weekly Comixology charts and you can use those to look for outliers there, but it's pretty rare.

>>90054208
They're characters with no stories to tell.
Well Raven has one story to tell -- the same one she always does only with worse art and shit pacing.

>>90054381

Why???? It seems pretty steady imo.

>>90054286
Dick Grayson leads a solo book since the nineties. He isn't very famous for normies, but the DC community IDOLIZES the guy. "Infinite Crisis" had to be changed because no one at DC wanted to kill Dick, just Didio, and the staff threatened to abandon DC if Didio insisted on killing him.

That ass has power.

>>90054234
>we need them both there to prop up the rest of the nobodies on the Titans team.
They're non-characters in the new DCU. Allegedly they have some version of their pasts back... but those are literally some version of stories told *35 years ago*. We need a reason for these characters to matter to readers NOW.

>>90054286
>>90054381
Dick has a lot of fans. Pre-Rebirth Grayson was selling the same tier as the non-Batman JL members for like two years. They even gave him the A-list price at 3.99. Don't underestimate Dickfags.

>>90054436
Yep. And The only Starfire story people care about is her fucking Dick, which wont happen with Dickbabs writers in charge.

>>90054410
Don't forget Supergirl and Superwoman.

Heck, I'm actually more worried about New Super-Man.

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>>90050490

>DC did everything to shill Damian's team
> They did everything to sink Wally's book
> They saddled the book with Booth and D-listers
>results in:

>36. TITANS #7 (DC)
>53. TEEN TITANS #4 (DC)

DC, please get the message. Titans surpassed Trinity this month too, it's basically the highest selling monthly now.

>>90054286
He's had a good selling book for 20 decades anon and was the most popular character in NTT when it was at peak popularity.

Also everytime CBR does one of the most popular character polls, he's usually right behind Batman and Superman at #3, and that's with like 1000+ comic fans answering.

So he's popular among comic fans, not so much outside since he's garbage outside of comics.

>>90054493
Starfire has potential for other stuff at least. Alien princess in an Earth book is already a mistake though. She should be in a cosmic series like she was pre-Flashpoint but they don't really have a place right now outside of GL books. You hope Hawkman's mini and the inevitable LoSH return might help that.

>>90054432
I wish there was some sort of agregate number that factored in Diamond + an estimate of digital + existing trade sales. (Which are hard to factor in as relates to overall series health, I know.)

>>90054425
I forgot about the rebirth reveal. But I seriously know some Dickfans that hate Seeley's Dick and claim that Titans is the one tru Dick. Not enough, since Nightwing is clearly doing fine.

Also one sad Roy Harper fan

>>90054398
Nope, this isn't a double shipping problem. ALL books lose sales issue to issue. Why do you think Marvel's books hardly go beyond #20 nowadays? Any book that sells +40k after the 20th issue can be considered a big success.

Look at Ms Marvel, a big success that now can't make into the Top 100. Marvel will relaunch the book and it will go to the Top 20.

>>90054526
All Star Batman is highest selling monthly.

>>90054512

I say those low sellers should stick around for diversity sake in the line up

>>90054512
New Super-Man was Jim Lee's idea and therefore has editorial behind it. It will be the Batwing of this launch lasting much longer than it should just based on the numbers.

>>90054512
>>90054599
Also I'll add the Supergirl is selling about where she always does. This launch has fallen faster though and they need to fix the art at least. The LoSH stuff should help if it's really sprouting from her book but they need to hype it up more if that's the case.

>>90054555
>Dickfans that hate Seeley's Dick and claim that Titans is the one tru Dick.

I saw the opposite. All Dickfags I've seen hate Abnett's version and buttmad that Wally is stealing the spotlight.

>>90054564
All books lose sales yes, but big events and double shipping make it worse.

Losing 0.8% per month was expected but if you look in the link rebirth books are losing upwards past 2-3% per issue, which is not normal but apprently is with double shipping.

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>>90054547
I'd also like getting a large sample of comic shop sales reports added to that as well so we can even compare how comics that get ordered a lot (seen on Diamond's chart) do in actual sales to customers.

The list on Bleeding Cool is sometimes useful but one thing I'd like to see is how well stuff sells regionally, like the old Comics Values Monthly charts.

>>90054637
>buttmad that Wally is stealing the spotlight.
It was so funny when one of the first interviews came out and said Wally was gonna be the leader lol
Kinda get their annoyance with that though since being a leader is all Dick has and otherwise he's useless on teams besides bring in fans

>>90054639
*bad events
Not big ones since usually those add to it, but CW2 was so shit it killed book sales

>>90054332
They aren't doing that bad.

From Harley to HJGLC are all doing around 40k while the rest of the monthlies are doing 30k-20k.

The whole comic industry isn't doing that well because a lot of comic stores have been closed in last few years.

>>90054547
I wouldn't mind it, but I don't really know how useful it would be. Ultimately the book needs to be visibly exceptional in digital or trades for either of them to matter unless it also has that editorial favor. If none of those things are true then the Diamond sales are what matter.

I have a hard time anyone that legitimately believes Marvel's books are better than DCs right now has actually picked up a DC comic.

>>90054666
>Kinda get their annoyance with that though

I mean, even the new Lazarus Contract has Dick's archenemy coming after Wally. It's expected to be bitter about this.

>>90054634
Ching is still on the book according to May solicits, which is disappointing.

>>90054532
Yeah it's a shame Starfire's solo ended as it did and was so.. light on content.

She and Donna have the most potential for stories IMO and DC doesn't do enough with them since Kori is stuck wanting to fuck Dick and getting sad when bat editorial won't let her and Donna is stuck doing nothing but having origin stories.

Real talk: Should just be Wally and Dick solos with the occasional crossover arc and no Titans book. Roy, Donna, and Garth and toil away as side characters in their franchise's ongoings.

>>90054695
>From Harley to HJGLC are all doing around 40k
Man...

>>90054779
Dick and Wally need a Brave and Bold book.

>>90054779

at least you're honest about your bias. While Barry just keeps on rolling by.

>>90054755
It is honestly baffling that DC is letting a book they're trying to get non comic readers on have such shit art.

Hell, with Titans being important you'd think they'd put somebody better than fucking Booth on it.

Meanwhile Red Hood, a character they've been content with being shit for years, get consistently good artists.

>>90054684
Amazon's Attack was another example -- sales went down for the titles involved. (And partially rebounded after, so it wasn't just a steep drop month.)

>>90054813
I feel like that would vamp sales from their ongoings, just do crossovers when you want that sort of hype.

>>90054815
I admittedly don't really care if Barry has a book or not.

>>90054813
>be best friends in canon
>don't have any moments together except for maybe 10 issues across 10 years
If only the Titans books weren't shit because I'd count those if they weren't

>>90054779
It won't hold up, dude.

Literally the main reason why Titans isn't doing bad it's because of its connection to the rebirth plot.

>>90054637

I think it just depends on where you visit. Tumblr seems to love Abnetts Dick, while CBR and reddit hate it. Thankfully CBR and Reddit are more logical than Tumblr ( mostly)

>>90054666

Yep. Dick has done jacksquat on the Titans. He's just there for a famailar face

>>90054884
It's not doing bad because Wally and Dick are popular characters

>>90054755
I feel like he would really be better for a horror book. Like the generally darker colors would suit his style more.

>>90054779

Might as well. No one gives a shit about Donna, Lillith, Roy, or Garth. Hell not even Abnett cares about Garth.

>>90050496
>> 100. JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA THE RAY REBIRTH #1

I'd just like to point out that this was really good, and I think the Rebirth trade dress is now hurting books.

>>90054825
Booth in on Titans because:

a) He is a big Wally West fan.

and

b) He HAS fans, despite his art. He is a charismatic guy on Twitter, so his presence on a book attracts some people.

>>90051400
I'd buy it

>>90054869

Sadly enough, Nightwing 15 was one of the best Wally and Dick interactions in years

>>90054912
You can literally remove Dick and nothing of value would be lost.

Wally has the advantage that he's connected to what's going with rebirth.

>>90054825

These companies really underestimate how important art is. Bad art really hurt the new PM & IF, which sucks cause the writing was good.

>>90054979
>You can literally remove Dick and nothing of value would be lost.
And? Characterfags still buy it even if they hate it.
Grayson should've taught you how rabid Dickfags are.

>>90054869
I wish Seeley dedicated an annual or something about their friendship. I'm tired of seeing them talking about lady issues. Every time they are together it's just

> muh linda
> muh girl of week

Seriously, focus on their relationship for God's sake.

>>90055015
I wish he'd dedicate an entire fuckin arc

>>90055015

To be fair, that was Abnett focusing on Linda and Nightwing's was a valentines issue. Abnett is the one in charge of Wally and Dick at one time, but refuses to give them hardly any moments together.

>>90055005
The guy has a solo. They aren't going to buy Titans just because he's in it if they didn't like it.

Besides, I have never seen anyone saying that are buying Titans because of Dick.

>>90054825
Lobdell seems to get good artists because they enjoy working with him. Could be he's a cool guy, could be he's good at networking.

>>90055068

How can he and Booth be Wally friends but ignore his relationship with Dick?

>>90055005
>>90055073
I feel like it's pretty much just people reading it for Wally.

>>90054410

Birds of Prey is mediocre trash. On one hand I want it to fail because of that, but on the other I really like NuHelena and she would be hurt the most from that

>>90054825
>Meanwhile Red Hood, a character they've been content with being shit for years, get consistently good artists
Yeah let's ignore the fact that some artists got famous because this "awfull" book. Poor them.

>>90055005

But Grayson was a good book. People aren't buying Titans for Dick, who barely exsists in it. They are buying for the biggest Wally book they can get.

>>90055153
There's just not really a place for her now other than BoP unless Seeley wants to use her. You could say they launch Checkmate or something but it would last maybe 10 issues if you're lucky. Not really a long term solution.

>>90055121
Easily. I like Roy Harper but ignore his relationship with Green Arrow all the time

So what Rebirth books do you think will be cancelled first?

Like Blue Beetle and New Super Man are selling poorly but editorial probably has their back, and DC will stop at nothing to make Cyborg a thing.

>>90055181
Ok salty Jasonfag, doesn't mean DC didn't put good artists on a book with shit writing

>>90055153
>>90055207

It baffles me that she isn't also a Nightwing supporting charcter. Dinah has Green Arrow, and Babs has batgirl. Helena could be like Tiger or even a damn neighbor.

>>90055188
I think he means how the characterfags bitched about Grayson and pretended it was ~problematic~ because Dick wasn't in a costume and didn't talk to the Batfamily besides Bruce.

>>90055217
Superwoman is my guess. We'll get one arc after Lois comes back and that's it.

>>90054825
>It is honestly baffling that DC is letting a book they're trying to get non comic readers on have such shit art.
Not like the writing is any better. Orlando is shit.

>>90055217
I don't think Superwoman will survive.