Marvel Rebirth Confirmed

>So here’s how you don’t throw the baby out. You give characters like Miles Morales, X-23, Ironheart, Sam Wilson, Amadeus Cho and others more discernible identities – or in some cases, return them. The Generations poster should give some indication about where Marvel is headed. As is the return to making X-Men prominent again, and bringing back a bit of the old mutant dollar to comic book stores. Consider that a dry run for everything else Marvel has planned.

>And while Marvel characters will remain political – in that they always have – there may be not so much wearing it on the sleeve. And for those worried about Secret Empire, retailers are assured it will be politically provocative but not partisan.

>There are outreach plans, Marvel mentioned the Archie Comics plan as a way to try and get people who don’t go to comic book stores hooked on reading the Marvel movie characters in comics form, but there are plenty more to come. They say they want to make retailers money, to keep the market healthy and blame DC Comics returnability for tying up retailers cashflow for low fourth quarter sales.

LOL at that last sentence. It can't possibly be because nobody was coming in since NOW2 was a dumpster fire. Of course it's fucking because of DC.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/02/16/state-marvel-comics-comicspro/

>>89976233
>It’s not just Steve Rogers having been replaced by Sam Wilson as Captain America, but that it’s every major character being replaced at the same time.

This was a big problem, they went too hard on that shit. Characters get replaced for a year or two all the time but you can't do everyone at once. Should have kept it to just Thor, that was their big success.

>>89976282
>And for those worried about Secret Empire, retailers are assured it will be politically provocative but not partisan.
So Spencer goes on a full on political tirade and alienates both traditional readers and the people he's trying to pander to. Did they finally realize Spencer is the king of making nobody happy.

>yfw Archie gets enough money to bring back Mega Man and give X his own book

>>89976233

How does the Generations signify anything other than this is the next wave of heroes and the mantle is forever passed to them?

>>89976282
>and blame DC Comics returnability for tying up retailers cashflow for low fourth quarter sales.

Yeah I'm not buying any Marvel no matter what they do. They're such faggots

>>89976403
>I don't even know the plot of this event but I'm still going to complain
lmao

>>89976233
whats marvels plan for x-men and wolverine though

>>89976233
>Make Mine Marvel Again
My sides!
>DC Comics returnability for tying up retailers cashflow for low fourth quarter sales.
Fucking stop! My fucking sides!

>>89976403

Rich is just speculating. Marvel will double down on this SJW shit as long as Muslim SJW Sana Amanat is the Director of Content and Character Development for Marvel Comics. ALL of these changes were her ideas. Axel saw that Ms Marvel did ok so he gave her the reins to everything and she fucked it up all at once.

>>89976596

How do they even have the audacity to blame DC? If they were blameless they wouldn't need their own rebirth

I'd be fine with Cho as Hulk for the foreseeable future.

Cho is the culmination of Pak's YEARS of work with Hulk.

>>89976630
Obviously since DC offered some returns they couldn't use that money to order as many ultra high demand Marvel Comics as they potentially could to satisfy the legions of fans who now are deprived of their copy of Marvel Comics forever. DC is such a terrible company and clearly wants the direct market and loyal customers to suffer.

>>89976233
>“Make Mine Marvel”
It sounds like one of those doll tv commercial you used to watch as a kid. "Make Mine Marvel! She cries as a kid and you have to change her nappy! Look at her cute little eyes!"

>>89976871
your casual is showing.

>>89976233
If this came from a legitimate love of Marvel's history with promising new and well established creators at the helm I'd be excited.

But this clearly a grab for sales with the same writers who've dragged down quality, just on different characters.

>>89976970
I know what it really means, but it's probably the first time I've seen it out of context and it looks completely different like this.

>>89977238
They use it out of the original context all the time.

My favorite variation is "Make Yours Marvel." Sounds awful.

>>89976667
It really depends on how he's written though. Chulk in his own book or in Nova is perfectly fine. But him in Champions or Ghost Rider is awful. He's very, very writer-sensitive.

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>>89976282
>You give characters like Miles Morales, X-23, Ironheart, Sam Wilson, Amadeus Cho and others more discernible identities – or in some cases, return them.
So Miles Morales is going to return to the cancerous shithole that is the Ultimate universe?

>>89977294
>But him in Champions
But Champions are shit all-around. Chulk himself isn't at fault. That falls entirely on Kamala the bully and Waid.

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>DC on Rebirth: Guys, I know we've strayed from things. But we're going to make it up to you. Let me tell you what we're going to do... We're going to make the comics you want! We're going to give you more of them! And we're going to make them cheaper and returnable for a little while! It's going to be AMAZING!

>Marvel on Rebirth: Fucking DC, AM I RIGHT?

>>89976233
Sounds interesting.

>>89977338

We can only hope he just gets killed off

>>89977384

>>Marvel on Rebirth: Fucking DC, AM I RIGHT? Here's our new batch of #1's only $5.99 plus tip

>>89977294
>He's very, very writer-sensitive
Expand this to everyone in Marvel universe right now and you have pointed out about 80% of Marvel's problems

Step on a Mine, Marvel!

>>89976233
>Make Mine Marvel

No. Please don't.

ResurrXion was the first sign of this. Marvel biggest problem is still a lack of good writer though and putting Benis on everything.

>>89976282
>blaming dc

Fucking faggots

>>89976282
Marvel: blaming DC Comics since 1961.

>>89977377
>Kamala the bull
That sounds hot. I thought Kamala in champions was the preachy straight man.

>>89976233
UNDO OMD #

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>>89978225
You take your elseworlds and like it!

>>89976282
what's their excuse for when the DC comics stopped being returnable at issue #6?

>>89976282
>the Marvel movie characters in comics form
That sounded so... repulsive.

>>89978410

They don't have one. They keep lying about it as if DC comics are still returnable

>>89978000
You can't step on a mine you stupid asshole.

You enter them, that's how you dig stuff out of them.

>>89978410
Listen here you little shit. DC is scamming stores with their returnability baloney. They might as well be putting a gun to store owner's heads and forcing them to not buy Marvel's beloved superior output. Just look at the succss of our movies!

>>89978448
I know right? They've just given up.

Marvel writers are losing their minds because they see the movies getting all this good press but they can't get any.

>>89976282
>There are outreach plans, Marvel mentioned the Archie Comics plan as a way to try and get people who don’t go to comic book stores hooked on reading the Marvel movie characters in comics

What? I don't get how Archie is going to be doing this?

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will Robbie Reyes stick around though? Because I actually like him desu

>>89978378
Slott doesn't write Spider-Man.

The book says Spider-Man, and the characters used familiar names, but it's never been a real Spider-Man book. Who cares what that fucking hack thinks.

>>89978632
they brought him back once, I don't see why they wouldn't try a 3rd time after this ongoing gets cancelled stop

>>89978598
Digests.

>>89977338
Miles has a huge amount of potential. A problem with Spider-Man going back over a decade now is that there's a need to keep him close to his roots as a young guy with lots of struggles that young people have, despite being over 30 years old, but longer-time fans want to see him grow up and become more mature like he was in the 80's and 90's.

With Miles, there's the potential to eliminate that issue, with Peter being allowed to grow up while Miles stays as the young guy relatable to teens and young adults, and add Peter as his older mentor.

The two problems so far are 1) Bendis is in complete control and he's too much of a simpleton to do this correctly (though ironically, back when Ultimate was first starting he seemed like the natural fit) and 2) a huge number of fans absolutely refuse to accept Miles whether he's well-written or not, whether it's because of MUH PETER or the fact they perceive him as a forced diversity character.

I think if they could find the right writer who can balance fun superhero adventures with the kind of drama that made Spider-Man famous, there's a chance those annoying fanboys will eventually accept him.

>>89977294
That's been a problem with Cho his entire existence. He really is Pak's character through-and-through. Pak really should be the one writing Champions, though, not Waid.

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>>89978410
I'm guessing the returnability is in place for new "Rebirth" titles. But since most all of them are already well past the cutoff and there's few new "Rebirth" series, it really doesn't impact much. Pic is from Big Bang's report this week.

>>89978677
Just have him with that skin disease Micheal Jackson had and have him become white.

>>89978677
>Miles has a huge amount of potential.

There really isn't. We have no need for multiple spider people running around, it's just stupid. Literally /no one/ wants young Peter, just look at Spidey.

>>89978684
>letting stores purchase more stock with no risk
>leads to selling a lot

FUCKING DC scamming these stores!

>>89978731
>Literally /no one/ wants young Peter, just look at Spidey.
For almost 20 years now I've been hearing casuals bitch and whine about Peter being too old, and it's reflected in the comics, with Ultimate Spider-Man being so popular. Casuals want everything to be like the movies, simple and close to the origin stories. Just look at the newest movie with Peter being younger than he's ever even been in the comics.

The problem there being that casuals don't want young Spider-Man, they want young PETER.

>>89978744
I know just look at Mosaic. Too much DC lead to not enough space for the book so no bought it cuz they were scared of buying the last one.

>Bring back all the white male legacy heroes
>keep telling the same kinds of tired stories with the same handful of mediocre writers and have everything be geared towards events and movie and tv synergy


And the sad thing is people will actually fall for it

>>89978175
DC: gets tricked into making $1.00 100 page comics because Marvel president rumors they're going to 80 page format, loses most of their non-cape formats, loses much of their share to Marvel, handles it manfully.
DC: Absorbs Wildstorm, discovers Garth Ennis is depicting Stan Lee as a sexually depraved midget with a Hitler moustache, cancels well-selling book and hands rights back to Ennis

Marvel: Throws tantrum over something Paul Levitz said and refuses to do crossovers ever again, blames DC for their own creative stagnation, burns books whose movie franchises they can't get back

I'm only sorry Perlmutter quit before Disney could fire him.

>>89978922
No it was Paul Levitz who refused to do DC crossovers with Marvel as long as Quesada and Jemas were still there.

>>89978663
Marvel needs Archie Comics to print digests. They can't negotiate deals with prin–

oh my christ
Marvel's depending on AC to distribute their own IP now

hahahahahahahahaha

>>89978979
And neither are now. Also, source.

>>89978995
Mr. Quesada is convinced that some good old-fashioned gloves-off rivalry will be good for business. “I liked it when the two companies hated each other,” he said. “It made it better for the fans. You know, if you like DC, then you hated Marvel. If you like Marvel, then you hated DC.”

“What the fuck is DC anyway?” Mr. Quesada said, stoking the fires. “They’d be better off calling it AOL Comics. At least people know what AOL is. I mean, they have Batman and Superman, and they don’t know what to do with them. That’s like being a porn star with the biggest dick and you can’t get it up. What the fuck?” (Paul Levitz, DC’s president and publisher, declined to comment for this story through a spokesperson.) https://www.google.com/amp/observer.com/2002/04/as-the-139-million-spiderman-debuts-in-movie-theaters-joe-quesada-the-trashtalking-editor-in-chief-of-marvel-comics-spins/amp/?client=ms-opera-mobile&espv=1

>>89976233
>The Spectacular Spider-Man – and the return to a down-on-his-luck Peter Parker
god dammit, why the hell are they returning to this completely dried up well?

>>89978922
Dont forget Jim Shooter's tsundere rivalry with DC where he'd call writers and tell them they were buying DC and would be fired if they didn't do what he says, and their influence in the industry collapse in the 90's.

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I'm glad it's over.

I just wish they could have been kicked further before they realized their mistake.

>>89979079
Because "we want the Rebirth audience."

The problem isn't legacies, it's that Iron Man, Spider-Man and all of that has gotten stale. Riri as Iron Man is still just Iron Man, just like how Miles was still just Spider-Man. Just take obscure characters and make them more focus to big time things. Iron Man and Cap fighting Hydra is stale. Spider-Man vs. his rogues has gotten stale. The X-Men has been so watered down that's it's a miracle it's still alive right now. Just come up with new stories that aren't the source of convoluted storytelling like the Inhumans are.

>>89976233
>They say they want to make retailers money, to keep the market healthy and blame DC Comics returnability for tying up retailers cashflow for low fourth quarter sales.


Jesus Christ man how fucking scummy can one company be. I used to read and by Marvel but it's just ran by lying pieces of shits and I will not pay $1 for their products.

>>89977384
>We're going to make the comics you want!
Still waiting
>And we're going to make them cheaper
And then half their line went back to 3.99. Also I heard some shops are boycotting the 3.99 titles. Top fucking lel, as if they're getting 2.99 comics from other publishers...

>>89979079
Don't worry. I'm sure they'll go to the opposite end of the spectrum and make him a drunken shirtless one armed hobo with a rope belt this time.

>>89979083
Yes but Shooter didn't interfere with cross-company books happening.

>>89979027
That's a story about Marvel refusing to work with DC, not DC refusing to work with Marvel.

>>89979102
They also tried that and it failed spectacularly. Foolkiller was hands down the best thing to come out of Marvel NOW 2.0 and it was one of the lowest selling. The only thing that sold worse was Solo, another "bscure characters and make them more focus to big time things."

People don't WANT new characters or new ideas. They want the same old same old except with slight differences to keep up the appearance that things have changed.

>>89979126
>a drunken shirtless one armed hobo with a rope belt this time
Ennis is coming back to Marvel?

>>89979098
Except with Rebirth they used the prior Superman who was married and then gave him a kid. And Batman's approximately the same as New 52.

Seems like Marvel has this really terrible perception of what Spider-Man should be.

>>89978922
Marvel: trying to destroy the industry every 20 years.

>>89979147
Because there was no real push for them. Those books just appeared and there was nothing to distinguish them from Deadpool. Have your main line Avengers book introduce new ideas. OH WAIT, YOU HAVE NO MAINLINE BOOK BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS SO BROKEN!

>>89979027
>>89978922
>>89979083

And Marvel telling stores to destroy Green Lantern comics for rewards.

Why is Marvel so fucked up?

>>89978782
the people bitching about peter being too old is a just a very small, very very vocal segment. Old married to MJ Peter use to have 5 monthly books that each sold better than anything young Peter ever did

>>89979147
But that's going to lead to a crash. People are only excited for this stuff because of the possibility that it will be turned into a movie. That's the only reason people make hype anymore in stuff in comics, because of the possibility it will become a film.

>>89979102
It doesn't help that Marvel is going over old stories. Who was hyped about another secret wars or another civil war?

>>89979147
Except that's bullshit. The reason has more to do with Marvel not really getting a handle on their shit. You don't deemphasize the X-Men so you can push Inhumans no matter who has the rights. And if your main line is subpar no one's gonna care about the smaller titles. Ms Marvel did well at a time when Marvel wasn't so drastically changed as it is now.

>>89979147
I wouldn't say giving Foolkiller, Solo and Mosaic titles at the same time was a good idea. Marvel still has characters like Ghost Rider, Shang Chi, Omega The Unknown, FF.

Sides, when they aren't putting out stale same old same old they completely miss the point of the characters like Dr. Strange without magic and with a giant axe instead, the new young Ghost Rider or snarky talky Man Thing.

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>>89978870
>[Steve Englehart crying in the distance]

>>89979135
>Yes but Shooter didn't interfere with cross-company books happening.

Not until the first JLA/Avengers. After that went nowhere they stopped doing Marvel/DC crossovers.

>>89979027
>“It made it better for the fans. You know, if you like DC, then you hated Marvel. If you like Marvel, then you hated DC.”
HohLeeShit What a faggot.

>>89979222
Going by sales a lot of people.

>>89976347
>whore

Jokes aside. Is the mighty thor good now?

>>89979296
Nope.

>>89979234
>snarky talky Man Thing
wut

>>89979272
>Going by sales a lot of people
Figures don't lie even if you do

>>89979323
R.L. Stine version of Man-Thing

>>89979323
*sigh*
They hired the Goosebumps guy to do a miniseries, about how he's he wants to be human again and has some wacky Hollywood adventure. The solicit emphasizes how snarky & talky he's going to be. "Cynical wit", that kind of thing.
Writing it out brings me pain.

I can't wait for this to bomb somehow.

>>89979222
There was a good bit of hype for Secret Wars. Civil War, not so much.

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>>89979378
>>89979372

>>89979027
Does Quesada have even a single good opinion?

>>89978684
>DC allowing stores to order heavy on the first few issues without worrying if they'll be stuck with them
>Marvel tries to force stores to order BIG by using their insane incentive based variant ordering system
I wonder which company actually cares about stores?

>>89979421
You ever read Man-Thing last run? JM DeMatties', from the 90s.
Doing so makes it hurt even more.

>>89979079
It's not replacing the main series, it's just another solo title for Peter

>>89979457
Oh shit, he wrote Man-Thing?

>>89979222
Secret Wars had hype around it because people assumed it would give Marvel a reboot. And the fans of Hickman were anticipating a conclusion to everything he'd been leading up to with his Fantastic Four and Avengers runs.

>>89979179
What the fuck? Source please

>>89979467
Yeah, it was great...but canceled.

>>89978677

you're literally delusional, nobody wants Miles. let it go. You're better off bringing in 2099 miguel in.

>>89979509
It was something along the lines of "hey retailers, send us the covers of those Blackest Night tie-ins that sold little, and we'll send you a free Deadpool variant cover!"

>>89979548
Retailers – for every 50 stripped covers of the following comics from the below group sent to Marvel, you will qualify to receive one FREE Fear Itself #6 McGuinness Variant. The 50 stripped covers can be any combination of the comics listed in that group and all submissions need to be received at the Marvel office at the address below by Friday 8/12/2011. [...]

FLASHPOINT ABIN SUR THE GREEN LANTERN #1
FLASHPOINT BATMAN KNIGHT OF VENGEANCE #1
FLASHPOINT CITIZEN COLD #1
FLASHPOINT DEADMAN AND THE FLYING GRAYSONS #1
FLASHPOINT DEATHSTROKE THE CURSE OF RAVAGER #1
FLASHPOINT EMPEROR AQUAMAN #1
FLASHPOINT FRANKENSTEIN CREATURES OF UNKNOWN #1
FLASHPOINT GREEN ARROW INDUSTRIES #1
FLASHPOINT GRODD OF WAR #1
FLASHPOINT HAL JORDAN #1
FLASHPOINT KID FLASH LOST #1
FLASHPOINT LEGION OF DOOM #1
FLASHPOINT LOIS LANE AND THE RESISTANCE #1
FLASHPOINT PROJECT SUPERMAN #1
FLASHPOINT SECRET SEVEN #1
FLASHPOINT THE OUTSIDER #1
FLASHPOINT THE REVERSE FLASH #1
FLASHPOINT THE WORLD OF FLASHPOINT #1
FLASHPOINT WONDER WOMAN AND THE FURIES #1
Like the Blackest Night comics, these Flashpoint titles came with a promotional item (in this case, pins). I suppose it's a boon to stores who over-ordered these titles. But at the same time, ripping up comics on principle raises my hackles, even if a few of the above comics were godawful (looking at you, Grodd of War). Anyway, the whole ugly enterprise seems ripped right out of this Mr. Show sketch.

>>89979548
Wow, I mean I dont really like DC at all but that is just petty

>>89976233
>the deal with Archie Comics

Yo Marvel pick up Tom DeFalco (he's currently writing for Archie Comics) while you're at it. A Mayday Spider-Woman book would be rad.

>>89979509
>Marvel To Trade 1 Comic For Every 50 Destroyed DC Comics

>Holy sales war, io9ers! Marvel Comics is offering retailers a rare issue of its new mega-event Siege. The catch? Store owners have to send Marvel 50 torn-up DC Comics titles.

>In a move seemingly out of Norman Osborne's playbook, Marvel is offering comic book stores a special Deadpool variant cover of Siege #3. All retailers have to do is send in 50 covers of any of the six DC titles tied in with DC's winter Blackest Night ring promotion.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/5448637/marvel-to-trade-1-comic-for-every-50-destroyed-dc-comics

Then six months later...

>Marvel to reward comic shops for ripping up DC comics again

>Remember how Marvel gave retailers limited edition covers if they physically destroyed Blackest Night promo comics last year? Well, the House of Ideas is up to the same shenanigans with Flashpoint. For every unsold 50 DC covers ripped off, stores get access to an undefined special sale and a limited edition comic.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/5824968/marvel-comics-to-reward-comic-shops-for-ripping-up-dc-comics-again

>>89979565
Mind you, the reason Marvel did this was less as a fuck you to DC and more because they wanted to do market research on how many extra unsellable issues a LCS was willing to buy to get bonus incentives. This would then of course lead to Marvel realising that that number is "a lot" and went deep down the incentive variant rabbit hole.

>>89979565
>>89979548

ripping the covers is standard practice for returning shit.

this was a hilarious promotion and i can't believe people got butthurt over it

>>89979601

That is smart business but phyrric victories aren't going to get them back where they want to be. They need to do a writing contest and farm writers.

>>89979621
Quesada pls

>>89979522
Nah, you get young spiderman, black spiderman, mom spiderwoman, asian spiderperson and reilly and you are gonna like it, yes?

>>89979621
>ripping the covers is standard practice for returning shit.
>this is what marvel shills actually believe
lol

>>89979632
>They need to do a writing contest and farm writers.
Yeah, because that worked out so well for DC. Such great writers as Bennett and Tynion.

>>89979621
>ripping the covers is standard practice for returning shit.

This. There's a reason why books say not to buy them if the cover is missing

>>89979633

*jack off motion*

if you just admit the hate is irrational then you don't get into these arguments

>>89979640
>>89979621
Why don't comic shops rip the covers of all those overshipped Marvel books, and see what happens?

>>89979122
Yeah $4 is pretty much the standard now.

Even smaller companies like Actions Labs does $4. Pretty sure Oni Press and Antarctic Press are $4 too.

>>89979296
Jane is consistently the most boring part of her own book.

>>89979650
>>89979653
Here's your cent, faithful shill.

>>89979654

they aren't returnable and no one is offering anything for it?

>>89979640
>>ripping the covers is standard practice for returning shit.

No that is true.

What isn't is someone offering returnability for a competitor's product.

>>89979661
Only way to lower prices is downsize the staff and comic line.

>>89979646

better to build a crop of new talent than rely on their old stuff that hasn't been working.

>>89979296
Ironically the good parts of her book just point out how it should just be Thor there.

>>89979296
Dont listen to >>89979321 & >>89979663
Jane's book is way better than when it first started, she's an amazing Thor

When was the last time Marvel had a good marketing idea for their comics?

Off the top of my head, all I remember is that #.1 idea where they would have an issue divider helping new readers know "this is your jumping in point for a new story arc."
I thought that was actually real nice.

>>89979727
She still sucks.

>>89978677
>a huge number of fans absolutely refuse to accept Miles whether he's well-written or not
Fuck off. Miles could actually decent when penned under certain writers. The reason we fucking hate him is because he has zero personality, broken powers, powers he never uses, and nothing to distinguish himself from Peter other than he's black and nowhere near as intelligent. Also his supporting cast are fucking terrible both in terms of writing and as people (Ganke can get fucked).

>>89979730
They still do that, when some series go into a new arc theres a #1 put on the cover

>>89979666
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stripped_book

>>89979743
That would require Bendis to actually use whats left of his brain, will never happen, Sad!

>>89976282
>As is the return to making X-Men prominent again
Continuing with the same line up of characters from the last year, continuing to use the much-despised O5, having the writers of your two biggest books be Cullen Bunn (much as I like him) and fucking Guggenheim, letting other books squander under Literally Who writers and Dennis Hopeless (most of which are obvious stealth minis like Foolkiller blatantly was) and having arguably the two biggest "name" guys (Robinson and Pak) writing C-list ancillary books that will get no attention.

It's completely pathetic that, in Marvel's mind, this is returning the X-Men to prominence.

>>89976233

Get the writers that worked on thunderbolts that weren't bendis, and new excalibur, all had great stories.

>>89979637
>mom spiderwoman

For a second I thought you were talking about Julia Carpenter... then I remembered that Jessica is a mother now, and experienced a brief moment of incoherent rage.

>>89979800
Why dont you like Jessica being a mother?

>>89978677
>a huge number of fans absolutely refuse to accept Miles whether he's well-written or not
He hasn't been written well yet, though.

>>89979027
>“They’d be better off calling it AOL Comics.

OH THE IRONING

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>>89976233
>the return to a down-on-his-luck Peter Parker
HAVE NO FEARS WE'VE GOT STORIES FOR YEARRRRRRRRRRRRRS

>>89979793

Who would you have write X-men? I like bunn and I also like untraditional x-men teams, but they're banking on nostalgia which is why when they do resets, they go back to bread and butter setups.

>>89979824
He has.

People just don't like that a negro is spiderman. Petty.

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>>89979378
>*sigh*

>>89979842

>Scene in..

>It's a shitty apartment

>Fade from black in as a tv is flickering but you can't see whose on the couch

>two guys on opposite ends

>both in masks

>one in his boxers

>it's DP and Pete both being broke again living in a shitty apartment

2 broke guys.

>>89977338
Getting rid of the Ultimate Universe was a mistake. The big problem is that Miles needs to be taken away from Bendis and the Ultimate U should be a place for an established name or two and some rising star type writers. So make Ultimates the main book written by Ewing, let Hastings write Spider-Man, I'd have Bunn do Ultimate X-Men and then a Defenders book that's less street level, more "lesser" characters in odder situations maybe under someone like DeMatteis.

>>89979848
Then link the story where Miles was "written well" its never happened

>>89979842
With marriage after marriage after marriage to anyone not MJ including Flash Thompson. Who knew that all that bullying in high school was just homoerotic acts of dominance?

>>89976347
I agree, it ws the fact we got a dozen new Legacies in what? 3 years? less?

Once in a while is fine. Everytbody at the same time is stupid.

>>89979848
If he has, it sure as hell hasn't been in anything Bendis has written with him.

>>89979845
Gerard Way, Nate Powell, Kurt Busiek

>>89979842
They should have Spider-Man get the infinity gauntlet and get from Hell his wedding album back.

BRING BACK THE MARRIAGE, MARVEL.

>>89979813
BECAUSE JULIA ALREADY HAD THE 'SINGLE MOTHER SPIDER-WOMAN'-ANGLE FUCKING COVERED!

>>89979921

I liked Arachne, she didn't get enough love.

>>89978782
Casuals don't usually buy books.

You want Young Peter because of the movies? Have Marvle put out a "Untold Tales" of sort with the Adventures of Spider-Man When He Was A Boy

>>89979915
I'd rather the current Parker just be Mephisto in disguise and the real Parker stuck in hell all these years.

>>89979893
>>89979910

Every book he has been in. You are just still ass mad he replaced ultimate spiderman.

>>89979975
Bendis, nobody is believing this

>>89979975
Oh. You had me thinking Miles had made an appearance in some book I missed where he wasn't a total bore but you were actually planning on tricking me all along. That is rude, anon.

>>89979975

So it's the people that don't like him's fault that he isn't written well?

how in any world does that make sense.

>>89979952
They did. It was called Spidey.

>>89979873
I apologize for nothing.

>>89980005
I forgot to mention: In-continuity.
It's actually important to Casuals that the stories are "real" and not the "watered down kiddy version"(even though Marvel Adventure Spider-man was miles better than almost everything in the last 5 years)

>>89979908
Miles came about in 2010, and I just kept going from there, but this shit didn't start getting out of hand until like 2013.

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I hope Carol gets another relaunch out of this, I'm enjoying her current series though

>>89980091
Miles was fine in the Ultimate Universe.

It's bringing him to 616 at the same time as they had Sam Nove, Cap Falcon, Ms. Marvel Khan, Ghost Driver, CHulk...

>>89979921

I'm still salty as fuck over how Grim Hunt utterly shat all over Mattie Franklin and Julia. That fact Slott only kept on taking steaming dump after steaming dump on Julia afterwards only enraged me further. Then, as if to rub salt in the wound, along comes Hopeless(truly an appropriate name) and says he wants to write a book about Jessica, and the challenges of single mom AND and Spider-Woman...

>>89979079
Because people have been complaining about Parker industries for years.

>>89980145

>Liking androgyny-man

Sup' fag.

>>89980178
At least you have Mattie Franklin being revived in Silk right now

>>89976233
Waitwaitwait.
So have they announced a new Fantastic Four ongoing or not?

>>89980145
You get two carols. Pre drunk carol I think.

>>89980275
Of course not.

>>89980250
Just because most artists dont know how to fucking draw does not make Carol any less ladylike

>>89979079
Because Peter being a poor man's Tony Stark was such an "inspired" direction to take the character...

>>89979997
>>89980003
>>89980004


Too bad. Now buy the comic.

>>89979913
OK, how about people that actually work for Marvel.

>>89979483
Fuck reboots. Marvel's appeal is founded on continuity.
What SHOULD happen is time starts moving forward again. Characters age. Changes stick. But hey fat chance when all they are now is an IP farm.

>>89980321
How about reaching out and not recycling the same shit over and over again?

>>89980318
Ever since Miles was created I have stopped reading Bendis comics, no matter who they star

>>89980301
Shitfuckingdammit OP you rused me!
HOW DAYUH YOU

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>>89980270

>>89980338

>What SHOULD happen is time starts moving forward again. Characters age. Changes stick. But hey fat chance when all they are now is an IP farm.

that's kinda what was happening. but people gotta have the characters from when they were kids

>>89980349
OK, but then that becomes a bigger problem regarding all Marvel books than just "t-they're not treating the X-men with the respect they deserve!" If the problem is Marvel as a whole, then obviously X-men would also be hurt by working within those constraints but it's not like that franchise is being singled out. You can't say it's a specific attack on the X-men franchise when the same complaints could be levied against every Marvel franchise.

>>89980384
It's more because it did happen suddenly and at the same time for way too many characters- and many develompents were just stupid or badly written.

>>89980387
Oh I'm not, I just threw those names out there so I'm not sure what the previous posts were about. But Marvel has done worse with other properties, such as Inhumans. Totally ruined them.

>>89980270
But I don't read Silk. Why would I, after her introduction and appearances in ASM and Spider-verse utterly soured me on the character?
Also, do you honestly believe that resurrecting a character in current Marvel is a good thing? At least dead characters are, mostly, safe character derailment/assassination.

>>89980384
I think it would have helped if the replacements weren't bad and Marvel didn't antagonize their fans.

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>>89980302

Hey bro, I understand, you like a little adam's apple in your wo-man.

Does it come complete with a surprise dick too?

>>89980431
At least they're putting Ewing on them now. He's the one person I trust to fix that trainwreck.

>>89980270
>>89980446
Isn't Silk getting cancelled anyway?

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>>89980465
Who would be surprised?

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>"hurr durr Marlel is shit because SJWs they should go back to basics"
>reboot happens
"Hurr durr Marlel doing the same old superhero shit so boring"

You all are fags honestly

>>89980535
Ewing is on Royals only. All the other Inhuman books are still going to be dumpster fires.

>>89976233
they can rebirth, unbirth and abort their shit as much as they want
After their little "lets shit on our readers and pander to people that don't even buy our shit" episode, i am not touching that shit ever again

>>89979509
DC is like the brother who realizes he doing wrong and tries to fix things while Marvel is that fucking edgelord who do shit because he can and then blame everybody for his shit.

>>89980542
Inking is a fucking lost art.

>>89979122
>Also I heard some shops are boycotting the 3.99 titles

First I've herd of that. Source?

>>89980617

i saw a thing about that on i think bleedingcool? didn't read the article

>>89980545
The complaints seem to stem more from the writers (or lack thereof) than anything else.

>>89980617
It was one shop that wanted to boycott the $3.99 titles on account the digital versions would be $2.99.

>>89979743
As a super casual who has never read Miles's books, I can say that I really liked him in Ms. Marvel and Gwenpool. In the first one he was kind of a smug asshole at the science fair, and in Gwenpool he bounced off Gwen's insanity.

>>89979122
>And then half their line went back to 3.99

Digital versions are still $2.99, and the $3.99 floppies come with a digital code now.

>>89980545
People were expecting more of a Rebirth-scale apology and gesture. Apparently all we're getting is a trademarked annual repackage and insencere reader outreach with the same creatives that people have been frustrated with recently.

>>89980545
Marvel wrote their new legacies worse than how the WWE pushed Rey after Eddie's death, why would you go to bat for that garbage?

>>89980545
When was last time marvel was back to basics. Honestly. 90s?

>>89980776
Because that's how people like him always argue.

>CHANGE IS GOOD! ALL CHANGE IS GOOD. YOU PEOPLE ARE BACKWARDS FOR WANTING OLD STUFF!
>But this change is poorly done.
>CHANGE IS GOOOOOOOOD. BECAUSE IT'S CHANGE!!!!

>>89978731
>no one

Which is why Spider-Man's getting Status Quo reset #1724 right now.

Spidey's most famous stage is in high school/college, adult spidey is only liked by the serious fans.

>>89980813
Heroes return and somewhat few years ago.

Been many changes since 1985 to up.

>>89980890
>adult spidey is only liked by the fans that actually buy comics

FTFY.

>>89981008
I know that this isn't Marvel, but Harley Quin is a character fucking dominating sales right now who is better known for her appearances outside of comic books than anything she's done inside comic books.


S Y N E R G Y can work, Marvel's just incompetent at everything.

>>89981074
She's turned into a Deadpool clone

>>89981074
Harley Quinn is also basically out of countinuity, uninvolved in any event and selling specifically to a completely different crowd

It's more a Image book with DC characters than a DC one

>>89981074
That's because Harley Quin isn't a comic character to begin with.

>>89980693

Why boycott on something you wont get money for anyway?
Digital should be cheaper than print. A lot cheaper

>>89980586
Rosenberg is on Secret Warriors, and he's shaping up to be one of Marvel's best new writers. Kingpin (the mini and the ongoing's first issue) has been great. The writer on Black Bolt is new so I have no idea how the writing will turn out, but it's got Christian Ward on art so the less dialogue the better as far as I'm concerned and there's no character better for "less dialogue" than Black Bolt.

The fact that none of the inhumans books actually have the word "inhuman" in the title combined with actually solid creative teams makes it seem like Marvel realised how horribly they bungled the inhumans franchise and are trying to salvage it by putting people that actually give a fuck on the books instead of the last minute Fraction replacement of Soule who just wanted to write about his OCs and Medusa or Ellis' "6 issues in a year and a half." I imagine they'll all do horribly in sales with Black Bolt obviously being a stealth mini, but they're actually sounding pretty good from what we know. Secret Warriors might suck because the team seems extremely editorially chosen and I'm not sure how good Rosenberg will be on a team book, but there's at least some optimism for the line.

X-men part of Ressurxion just seems like more of the same old shit, and frankly, until they bring back Cyclops and exonerate him of the fucking mutant Hitler rhetoric once and for all, it's hard for me to care even if the X-books are good. Far as I'm concerned, Scott is the main character of the franchise. He's been there since day one.

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>>89976398
>tfw MvCi crossover book

>>89981148
>>89981074

I better example for a charachter built on synergy is Superman

>>89976667
I'm fine with Chulk as well and I really wish Bendis didn't kill off Banner in CW2. Pak's giant "fuck you!" to the event tie in was pretty good. It's also one of the few legacies that has some basis.

Problem is that almost no one other than Pak can write Cho without turning him into a giant chad. Waid is the worst and seems to think that the character is a complete idiot.

>>89981074
>Character from a cartoon is more well known from her appearance in a cartoon.

Wow, next you're gonna tell me that water is wet.

>>89981074
Current Harley Quin is also basically an entirely different character from the one Tim and Dini created.

>>89981217
No, Superman was built on the Comics Code. You can hate it all you want, but it really did turn Superman into the character we know and love today.

>>89981159
The point is that LCSs don't want digital undercutting physical because then they'll just buy digitally. Diamond actually had a policy of not selling any books that were cheaper digitally than physically which is partially what caused the price lock.

I guess that policy isn't around anymore though.

>>89980586
God willing, the character he kills will be Medusa.

>>89980709
Miles' biggest problem is Bendis and Bendis will never let his ongoing go.

>>89981174
I'd be a lot more enthusiastic about RessurXion if they got rid of the fucking O5... and if Quire was thrown into the fucking sun as well.

>>89979883
no joke, if the context was a tad different, I'd read that

>>89979883
i'd read that for sure

Quick!

Name a creative team that would actually get you excited for this event!

>>89981388
I agree. I'm hoping Blue is basically just a Magneto book, since I could always go for more Bunneto but I do not give a flying fuck about the O5. I never gave a fuck about Bobby and especially don't care about Bobby's gay adventures, Angel was only ever interesting when he became Archangel but I don't want to see yet another "Angel becomes Archangel" or vice-versa plot ever again, and I grew to dislike adult Jean and loathe Teen Jean. I actually have no problem with O5 Beast and O5 Scott is fine but not at the expense of adult Scott.

>>89981622
Ewing & Kubert

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>>89981622
Kurt Busiek and Yusuke Murata on ASM.

>>89981174
is this copypasta?

>>89981622
It doesn't sound like this is an event. Just what their next relaunch after Secret Empire is going to be called. So now we can update the post NOW 1.0 line annual relaunch names as:
>Marvel NOW!
>All-new Marvel NOW!
>Avengers NOW!
>All-new All-different Marvel
>Marvel NOW!!
>Make Mine Marvel! (Again)

>>89981259

Yes. A lot of Superman mythos comes from the radio play

>>89981728
That would hinder the progress of the OPM manga, no can do anon

>>89978982
it's not that they need archie to print the digests. it's that Archie has been printing digests for decades and has the built-in distribution network and pockets in big box stores, newsstands, and book stores.

marvel's letting archie do what they do right: print digests and sell them in a market outside of comic shops. while archie struggles to get a lot of other things done right, they do have that part on lock, in an area that DC and Marvel have mostly abandonded

>>89981622
Peter David and Stefano Caselli on ASM.

>>89978677
>though ironically, back when Ultimate was first starting he seemed like the natural fit)
Because Ultimae was an alternative.
All New All Different Marvel is an "this is all you get, if you don't like it, get the fuck out".

>>89978498
Fucking miners ruining this board

>>89979793
>>89981634
What's unfortunate is that the space filled up by the O5 in X-Men Blue could have easily been filled by other mutants instead. Maybe it could have even been used to showcase some lesser-known mutants. A team book centered entirely on the O5 just feels like a waste.

Also why the lack of New Mutant members in ResurrXion? They'll be getting their own movie so I would think Marvel would do something to tie in.

>>89981622
don't taunt me with things that will never happen.

>>89980813
there was a push post Siege to return to basics

>>89979921
That's another thing that pisses me off about how Marvel has handled things. They throw low tier characters under the bus and erase them in order to score a temporary media blitz.

Like how Kamala is the first Muslim. Monet and Soorya don't count. Or how Silk is the first asian american female. Jubilee? Who the fuck is that?

>>89982219
Because they're probably waiting until closer to the movie to bring out a big ol' New Mutants #1. I'm honestly surprised they haven't had Legion unretcon himself out of existence.

>>89981744

I don't know how successful this relaunch is going to be. It's being met with nothing but skepticism and apathy

>>89982111
And get the fuck out people did.

>>89976282
>>There are outreach plans, Marvel mentioned the Archie Comics plan as a way to try and get people who don’t go to comic book stores hooked on reading the Marvel movie characters in comics form, but there are plenty more to come. They say they want to make retailers money, to keep the market healthy and blame DC Comics returnability for tying up retailers cashflow for low fourth quarter sales.
Wow. Fuck Marvel. Fuck them so much.

>>89981813
>it's not that they need archie to print the digests. it's that Archie has been printing digests for decades and has the built-in distribution network and pockets in big box stores, newsstands, and book stores.
That's what I'm laughing at. They literally need help getting back into newsstand distribution.

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>>89982254
>They throw low tier characters under the bus and erase them in order to score a temporary media blitz.

Hey at least they're still alive.

>>89982254
marvel has been burning down it's continuity, one of it biggest strengths, the tight interconnected world coughexceptxmencough since disassembled.

The ol' New Come strategy

>>89983675
New coke

>>89979839
This.

>>89983675
>>89983762
When will get Marvel Classic?

>>89976233
>>89976282
You can make all the claims that you want, Marvel. I'll believe you're good to your word when I see it.

>>89978870
They had years to make their legacy characters interesting. Miles has been around for almost 5 years, and everything interesting/significant that happened to him was lost with the Ultimate verse. Kamala lost steam ever since Marvel only saw her as Dollar signs and pushed her into avengers/champions.

They have no one to blame but themselves. Both Marvel and their dumbass readers.

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>>89979581
Well now you know how shit Marvel is

>>89985104
Agree.

>>89979646
Yes? Bennett's Bombshells book was popular.

So what would it REALLY take to save Marvel? Because for me; pandering to nostalgia isn't going to be enough (although it will probably be financially successful enough to warrant be called a success)

>>89985104
>MAKE JOHNNY BLAZE AGAIN

Sure, if they remove all the stuff they took from danny ketch as well.

>>89980270
Joke's on you, Mattie just turned into a bag of flour.
Source: Silk #17

>>89976398
If this is what it takes then go for it. Maybe it can revive the Boom comic too

>>89981820
I would buy this book based on the names attached alone. Plus Caselli is a treat to look at.

>>89981813
And watch them somehow fuck it up. Because it's Archie.

>>89985189
No idea what would save them at this point. I do know that they'll call it a success even if it flops.

>>89976347
This. Legacy characters only work when their establishment is reasonable and organic. That's why Whor has been hated, yet no one ever went after Rhodey as Iron Man. Marvel took that problem and stretched it to every major character who wasn't "diverse."

>>89976233
as someone who gave up comics in my late teens and then returned to them in my mid/late-20's, i will never understand the constant need to reboot. is this a sales driven thing? are sales that bad? can these sales be bad due to the constant shuffling, reshuffling, and then rebooting of stock characters? it's almost as if storytelling is secondary to the product/comic.

>>89985427
Yeah. Kamala's got way more diversity brownie points to her than Thorina, yet they made her existence and role as Ms. Marvel really organic and interesting, without stepping on anybody's toes.

>>89979793

X-Men need a hard reset. At this point it's the only way.

>>89985526
It's a relaunch.

Honestly i just want retro versions with legacies.

>>89979079

Because the current run is fucking shit

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>>89976233

I was always stunned that SJWs couldn't see through this shit. They should have felt insulted. Instead of adding diverse characters that ride on their own merits they just swap out an already popular character. That clearly says "we want the SJW bux but don't actually have any faith a minority character can carry a book."

Everybody loves Luke Cage. Imagine if instead of his long history he just appeared one day, Hawkeye died, and then he was Hawkeye. That's exactly what they've done with all these half baked diversity swaps.

I am 100% for more diversity in comics but the teams behind these books need to actually DO THEIR JOBS and come up with new diverse characters while pushing already existing ones on their own merits. How anyone at Marvel approved shit like that Whor/Absorbing Man panel absolutely blows my mind.

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>>89985920
>How anyone at Marvel approved shit like that Whor/Absorbing Man panel absolutely blows my mind.

Ike doesn't want to pay for competent editors.

>>89985604
Speaking as someone who's fairly young, only got into comics a year ago and grew up watching the first 3 X Men movies/Wolverine movies;

Getting into X Men was so goddamn fucking confusing. No MCU kiddies have the slightest inkling to what the fuck's going on in the comics. Total reset is the only option.

>>89986003
I LIKE IKE

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>>89985920
And whats worse is they don't push the characters who take a name that actually work. like Robbie Reyes as Ghost Rider works cause there are literally.. fucking thousands of ghost riders. And Robbie gets shit on all the time in his books rather than put on a fuckin pedestal.. i just don't get it. Also Sam for the Nova books, he makes sense cause he's a NOVA, its not like iron man or spiderman where there are known fleets of the fuckers... And Sam gets shit on as much as Parker used to. Only two characters that came out of this with me liking the changes or atleast the people under the masks.

>>89986009
Xmen need a culling.


Told many people that cable and etc was fucking with a simple concept.

>>89986070
>Xmen need a culling.

No, no, NO!

Too many mutants is not their problem right now.

>>89986095
It is. I long for the days of pre 85 xmen.

>>89980318

Kill yourself, Benis.

>>89986070
I actually like Cable as a character and Cable and Deadpool was great but shit, his existence/purpose just fucks up everything and gives me a headache. Does he fix multiple timestreams? Does he just fix alternate realities/universes? Is everything linear like in DC and in the MCU? Who fucking knows? Fuck the timetravelling shit, just make him a regular mutant in a fixed timeline. Sure, he can be from the future, like Bart Allen or something, but not all the fucking other crap.

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>>89986036

You can fuck off too, you decrepit old vampire.

I hope Stan consumes whatever it is that passes for your soul now that someone's caught your image on film.

>>89986246
Removing the fact that he's the son of Cyclops and clone of Jean Grey that was transported to and raised in another dimension kind of takes the fun out of the character

Here's an idea: Have people on the internet write a monthly. It will be posted online and the most popular comic(with caveats of content, like nobody fucks for 10 pages or shits on babies even though that'd be hilarious) by vote will get drawn and published. I'd buy that.

Odds on Slott being off Spider-man?

>>89978632
I don't see why not, Miles, Khan and that kid nova will stick around for sure, I think all that's going to happen is they stop having 50 year old white guys try and fail to pander to tumblr

which can be fucking fixed by fucking hiring new writers

>>89986485
If the Spectacular book sells more than ASM consistently than it's guaranteed. We wont get another chance to slay the beast after that.

>>89986485
That all depends on how Spectacular Spider-man does.

>>89986480
I don't see this working. Trolls could tip the scales and make a shitty comic really popular. Or Marvel tips the scales and makes it so a normie-friendly comic (Blaquafina, the First Asian Mermaid Superhero) wins.

>>89986523
>>89986513
Wait, what the hell is Spectacular Spider-man if it's running at the same time as ASM?

>>89986551
Written by a different writer, focused on Pete in New York as opposed to INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS SHENANIGANS

>>89986571
Is it the same businessman peter? Or what the fuck ever.

I just want Slott off spider-man.

>>89986551
One is about Peter Parker, one is about Chris Chan if he had a lot of money.

>>89986480
Whatever happened to that /co/ anthology?

>>89982550
I think that's a problem that will bite Marvel in the ass. Marvel's constant erasing of continuity (mainly before the first Civil War) is going to lead to more repetition, while depending on the films to carry them is going to run out. Marvel is burning out the candle at both ends and is going through content faster than they can create. Want to know what's telling? We don't have an Ant-Man book anymore. And all the other MCU spinoff characters have been rebooted how many times now?

>>89979442
didn't you know? Spencer said that because they ordered a lot, they now have more back issues to sell to customers. Couldn't do that if they're returnable now do they? That's literally his justification.

>>89986036

You're an idiot then

>>89986330
>>89987077
>booty blasted Clinton voters hating on BASED IE

Sad!

>>89979250
That can't be right, they were still doing crossovers like Batman/Daredevil in 99-00.

>>89979457
DeMatties book made me a fan of Man-Thing.

>>89987155

Didn't vote for Clinton, Ike.

Still, fuck off you detestable jew.

>>89986705
We dont knew Antman nit when we have his daughter as the new Wasp.

>>89979845
>Uncanny X-Men
Greg Pak; big adventure, classic style X-Men stories, characters like Cyclops, Emma and Wolverine are on this book.

>X-Men
Mark Waid; no politics, let him just write big superhero stories. Cannonball should be leading this team.

>Generation X
Max Bemis; proven himself on both Worst X-Man Ever and Foolkiller as a good writer and a teen/youth book would need a fresher voice. Mix a few generation of mutants (no shit like Eyeboy) plus a new character or two.

>X-Factor
Christopher Hastings; something slightly closer to PAD's first go around with the team. Government team, more character focus, slightly offbeat situations.

>Acolytes
Cullen Bunn; basically more Bunn writing Magneto. Replacement for X-Force.

>Excalibur
Al Ewing; Brit-based book, very off beat and weird. Doesn't really interact much with the rest of the line so it can be an X-book without being "yet another X-book".

>>89986003
>had ironman not been a success, marvel would be long dead.

>>89987647
If only

>>89981622
dna into cosmic again

>>89986595
They're not ready to take Slott off of ASM, but they're launching a new Spider-man book written by Chup Zdorskie that is being marketed as a new flagship Spider-man book. If it doesn't sell as well as Slott's Amazing Spider-man though then all hope is lost for no more Slott.

But ASM is basically going to be the Slott containment book while Chap Zardtsky gets his shot on a Peter ongoing.

>>89987324
His daughter is Stinger and neither of them have books.

>>89987336
>modern Waid
>X-men
>no politics
Is this a joke? It's a franchise literally tailor made for stories about discrimination.

>>89976347
>Thor, that was their big success.
Except everything about that book is utter trash, if I was freezing to death I would not burn it for heat, because then it would have value.

>>89980463
That and if Marvel didn't decide to replace half their character roster at once

>>89976282
>X-23, Ironheart, Sam Wilson, Amadeus Cho and others more discernible identities – or in some cases, return them. The
>X-23, Sam Wilson and Amadeus Cho
>more discernible identities
What kind of filthy casual talk is this shit? Why am I expecting bertter from bleedingcool

>>89985427
>That's why Whor has been hated
Who are you trying to fool?

>>89991225

I thought whor was hated for being strangely weird feminist propaganda, a la 'mansplaining' in wonder woman.

>>89991285
Do you know why that page exists? Because people kept bitching about Thor now being female, so that page was made as a way to mock thouse people.

>>89991301

Which doesn't make sense either, since both creators are attacking people that buy comics in deference to people who do not.

>>89991312
No they are attacking stupid people who did stupid things.

>>89991321

you're assuming stupid people don't buy comics or it wouldn't backlash onto males who would sympathize with said stupid males, or be used as evidence of a disconnect from business/artists and the fanbase.

Does that sound plausible or do you think it's a good idea to attack your fanbase?

>>89991321
>Why is she called Thor? Thor is a name, not a title. When Beta Ray Bill picked up the hammer he didn't change his name to Beta Ray Thor.

Listen here you fucking sexist

>>89991321
Yea how dare people want to know why she became Thor or why it purges her chemo. Stop asking questions you... Man.

Ah such a nice standard for discussion. Insult those wanting to know more and blame all of it on a microscopic minority of sexism.

Worked for Ghostbusters '16. Cept it didn't.

>>89991334
>do you think it's a good idea to attack your fanbase?
It can be
>>89991361
You know that everyone has called Thor out on that, even Jane herself is telling him that was stupid.
>>89991371
>why it purges her chemo
They explained that, how about you start reading the answers.

>>89991409

Well sales of that comic are in the cancellation zone already so, I guess it didn't work out attacking their fanbase this time.

>>89991433
Thor isen't close to cancellation zone

>>89991445

Mighty Thor is in low 30s.

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>>89991409
>do you think it's a good idea to attack your fanbase?
>It can be

>>89991463
Look at the Sonic fanbase

tell me that they aren't worth attacking

>>89991409
It makes no sense other than to be that shitty reveal that Nick told Thor which set about this self fulfilling prophecy. "Thor and or The Power of Thor will kill Jane Foster."

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>Steve spends two years as the Red Skull's buttboy
>gets job back immediately

>Sam spends two years actually doing his job as Cap
>gets fired

>>89991481
>When transforming into Thor it purges her body from things not part of the human body
>Chemo is not part of the human body
Don't move the goalpost here, you wanted to know why it purges the chemo and it was explained to you long ago.

>>89991479
>Attacking a fanbase that will fanatically buy your products, no matter how shitty they are
I hope you never have to run a business.

>>89980003
he was in ms marvel. completely a different character but well written.

>>89991491

>Siding with illegal immigrants against the U.S border patrol
>doing his job

I don't think Hydra cap is only one that got mind jacked.

>>89991497
Also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNJ6dFwh8a4

>>89991494
>Power of Thor somehow doesn't see cancer as something that shouldn't be there.

>>89991529
You don't know shit about cancer do you? Cancer is not a foreign attack on your body, it's a natural and vital part of your body going out of control.

>>89991529

Cancer is in a sense out of control mutation.

Which is why they stress eating thing that help maintain cell balance.

If you get pancreas cells growing inside your lungs, or lymph nodes, guess what happens to you. Your bodies defenses don't recognize it as in wrong place and grows unchecked, killing you.

>>89991463
A writer shouldn't be required to treat his readers like a bunch of sensitive toddlers who need a safe space.

If one fucking panel is enough to make someone drop a Marvel book they otherwise enjoyed, then they weren't true fans to begin with. They were crybabies looking for an excuse to feel like victims.

>>89991513
>I saw a superhero protecting people from murderers and I'm triggered and offended

Ha ha, can you imagine being this fucked in the head.

>>89991582
when you insult readers and cause them to leave, marvel intern it's on you. i jsed to read quite a marvel books but almost all of them are dead to me. I'd rather read chuck austin than any iteration of modern x-men.

>>89991614
And what about moments when the readers insult them? Are they going to sit there and take it?

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>>89991513
>Sam helping some immigrants is somehow worse than Steve trying to destroy the entire country

/pol/tards are at it again.

>>89991632
Yes. That's how it works throwing a tantrum only shows you have no intention of improving. Understand what the issue is and fix or don't and be less petty about it.

>>89991582

>the irony of this post

coming from champions of the victim olympics.

>>89976233
Panic mode reversion of shit to the same old thing it's always been

This is why comic books are an inherently inferior and creatively dead art form

Seems like Marvel is half-assing this. I don't see anything in OP's article about them knocking it off with the endless relaunches and events. In fact, it looks like their solution is another fucking event.

That's attacking the wrong problem. If all the legacy heroes had been absent from Civil War II it wouldn't have been any less of a trash heap. They just would have had the original Captain Marvel acting ridiculously out of character instead of Carol.

Until Marvel cools it with the events and relaunches it's not going to matter who's wearing the Iron Man armor or whatever, people aren't going to want to read them.

>>89991638

>Liberals think its okay to subvert the government

ha ha indeed. let all the illegals in, it will only be good for who?

>>89991676
Hey, I'm not the guy tearing his hair out over a single panel in an Avengers book from last year. Nice projection you've got going there, though.

>>89991674
>throwing a tantrum
Think of it more as a jab
>>89991690
>Whatever it is you are think it's ok to destroy the government
And illegals or not they where about to get killed, can't let them be gunned down like that.

>>89991698

yeah and why are you defending feminism if I'm the one projecting?

>>89991681
No its why cape comics are a dead medium. Alan Moore was right.

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>>89991690
>he thinks joining Hydra and attempting to destroy the US government is somehow not subverting the government

Apparently the horrifying prospect of a superhero being nice to a Mexican made this kid forget what words mean.

>>89991716

I agree but this argument has been had and he could have sent them back.