How's Your Webcomic? #347

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>>89816991
Scrub Authors GOODIE Bag
Here’s a short list of sites that any new webcomic artist or writer will find handy:
>*-Struggling to find that perfect FONT? Create your own using this link;
http://www.myscriptfont.com/

>*-Don’t forget to brush up on that ANATOMY:
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
http://www.quickposes.com/pages/timed

>*-What’s a list without some reference STOCK IMAGES?
People: http://senshistock.deviantart.com/gallery/
Scenery: http://www.shutterstock.com/

>*-Here's a big fat compilation of CHARACTER DESIGN REFERENCE:
http://www.pinterest.com/characterdesigh/ (surprisingly not a typo)

>Links to get a rough WEBSITE started up:
Easy to use tumblr webcomic theme: https://www.tumblr.com/theme/39018
Do’s and Don’ts for starting a site: http://pastebin.com/kNR2W5mV
>Contact sheet if anyone wants to put information down, like their site and webcomic:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwfOSHXfrgvcf--PkPz9jXL6p5RqIsrYvXYwgQpgT3k/edit#

>DISCORD CHAT going on,
Ask for an invite in the thread.

>Wise words from John Cleese:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xPvvPTQaMI [Embed]

>Invisible Ink:
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_1.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_2.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_3.pdf

>Paper Wings
http://chrisoatley.com/category/podcasts/
https://web.archive.org/web/20140625035030/http://paperwingspodcast.com/

>Fonts for your webcomic on Blambot:
http://www.blambot.com/

>Writing Resources:
http://www.cienciasecognicao.org/rotas/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Robert-McKee-Story.pdf

>Guide to promoting your comic:
http://miss-melee.tumblr.com/post/143483233951/

>Comics for makin' comics!
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/9pf1nwwa92lbp/Comics_for_making_Comics

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+draw+comics

>>89816991
63ing is always a good time had by all.. I've done it before but maybe I should do it again

>>89817124
you dont have to its just a prompt

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Hope it's okay to repost shit.

>>89817637
typically if you posted something at the end of a thread there's no reason not to repost. in your case your updates are slow so I guess it's okay

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>>89817637
Most recent page right here.
If you like it, you can read it at http://circlejerk.de

>>89817637
i would recommend adding the top of the halucipede in panel two like its crawling up his shirt, change the sound effect from slurp as centipedes dont have tongues maybe nibble? and keep the centipede on the sweater or falling down on panel 5
>>89817675
i chuckled.

>>89817813
>i would recommend adding the top of the halucipede in panel two like its crawling up his shirt, change the sound effect from slurp as centipedes dont have tongues maybe nibble? and keep the centipede on the sweater or falling down on panel 5

Good idea, I'll see what I can do.

>>89817813
>>89817875
Oh, by the way, the reason why you can't see the centipede in the last panel is because he completely entered Kevin's body, so the "slurp" sound isn't a bite, it's... whatever noise it would make having a centipede slipping right through your skin. I can add a little hole on Kevin's throat in the last panel to make it more clear, though.

>>89817675
I didn't notice the demon's expression last time, it's fantastic
>>89817637
this is a nitpick, but since hallucinate has two Ls, shouldnt halucipede also have two?

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Some stupid troll comics my friend and I made in high school.

>>89818015
You're right, I'll have to change that.

>>89818005
Oh that makes sense. so the problem there is that there's no clear visual way to depict a centipede entering his neck, unless it was more than halfway in, because your eye doesn't readily see "a centipede burrowed partway in" as different from a normal centipede.

>>89818038
did you go to highschool back when people said 'japanese anime' ? because if so, how'd you get such good digital art done back then?

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>>89818103
hell if I know, reddit gave us a lot of shit so we had to quit. I guess we only made something a mentally challenged 16 year old would funny.

>>89818349
I guess I don't get the jokes, but I feel like most of the ingredients of a good webcomic are there. you should try to make more

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>>89818482
Yeah, it's very non-sequitur and some comics were just downright offensive not funny. Our writing was very hit or miss as edgy high schoolers.

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>>89818789
A friend and I have been coming up with some characters for a webcomic series. It involves, two girls beating the shit out of random people After visiting the sticky links, we haven't fleshed out a story arc completely which I know, could be helpful for foreshadowing, etc.

I just don't want to fail again, reddit was relentless to us in the past.

>>89818349
>anime is for pedos
>tumblr is for emo girls
>actually watched Drake and Josh
There's no way this shit can exist beyond the year 2001. I'm amazed we can even see your images instead of actual TV static where a jpg should be.

>>89818789
the sad thing is, I like nonsequiturs and 'ta-da!' endings, it's just that they get so tired so quickly and basically require the rest of the comic to really shine in order to be worth reading.
>>89818900
what sticky links?
>>89819155
seriously, right? this art is amazing for how old it HAS to be. i can't believe the files are this large, they would have taken forever on dialup

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>>89819358
>this art is amazing for how old it HAS to be.

>>89819482
in terms of digital quality. comics simply didn't look like that in the early 00s

>>89819358
>sticky links
I meant the writing resources resource in the original post. Anyway, I think I'll just stick to drawing requests. I'm too stupid to write and want to focus on drawing.
>>89819155
I think we posted these around 2005-2006. dial-up. Thankfully dial-up wasn't largely in use by then.

>>89819678
Oh I get it. With your lack of punctuation I actually thought you were saying your characters were beating people up after visiting the links, and I was like, the links in this thread?

>>89819155
>tumblr
>2001

What underage posters actually believe.

>>89819542
not true
skill level of the average webcomic hobbyest, maybe

>>89820266
oh yeah good point, that was the anachronism there
only now that we know it was made in '05, i'm not sure. tumblr wasn't a thing yet, but people had stopped saying 'japanese anime' or talking about drake and josh at all

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For that redraw activity last thread to the anon who asked... was a fun exercise

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Check out my webcomic, /co/! It just got an update!

A boy falls in love with a girl. He is mysteriously gifted with her phone number. He calls her and finds out that she likes him as well. But the next day, she doesn't remember the confession. The girl he called is not the same girl he fell in love with. In fact, she doesn’t exist in this universe at all. She is the girl’s alternate universe counterpart, who likes his own alternate self. Hijinks ensue as the two tell each other their darkest secrets to conquer the hearts of their other selves.

See: http://www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/keit-ai/list?title_no=36825

>>89820905
so you're not the original guy of that comic? because the lines look similar. I forget.
the word bubbles are a bit confusing, but otherwise this is great

>>89821007
No I'm not the artist, he posted it last thread, there was a prompt to draw each other's panels

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>>89816991
Finished part 3 of my webcomic a few days ago.

Working on part 4; hvaen't touched it in a few days. Work's been a bitch. people are fucking stupid, especially vendors we work with.

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>>89821283
Page 4 WIP. Hardly touched in a few days but should be faster for me to fix and rework.

>>89820958
god damn you this is actually a good comic
could you be more self-aware when you post it though, and not try to act like it's your original idea?

>>89821207
well you did a good job and you matched it nicely as well.

I should have participated in that, I just didn't feel up to it

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>>89820958
FiNDZzz

>>89820958
Stop posting that because it's already a thing.

https://www.fictionpress.com/s/3206139

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>tfw you're stuck on the writing and decide to watch some shows for inspiration but you end up just watching a bunch of shows and not working on your comic

Anime and Manga have been a big influence in my project but I'm certainly doing my best to make sure direct elements don't seep in. I've all but ironed out every direct influence, back then I might as well have been stealing.

Currently Binging on Blue Exorcist

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>>89820958
How many times has this been posted on this general exactly?

Even if you reword it everyone remembers what it is.

>>89821888
>be a teenager
>Trying your best to sort through anime, videogames, etc
>it's hard as fuck to tell what's a trope (mysterious tuxedo guy with a mask and roses, schoolgirl-uniform-themed magic wielder) and what's an individual unique character (50s-americana-themed lad with psychic powers, sumo robot)
>clumsily make your own characters hoping it's all unique enough or at least parodies
I'm still gonna make that shit someday. My ideas are too funny and good. especially the delusional girl who only thinks she's a magical girl

>>89822043
This is the first time it's been an actual webcomic

>>89822045
yeah, that's my problem as well, eventually i expanded my horizons and have a bunch of influences in American comics as well.

>>89822170
we're lucky to have the internet now at least.
and sometimes a ripoff can turn more unique over time.
my favorite thing is to let a character branch out and start homaging other characters until they're half a composite and half a running gag

>>89822233
One character I've spent the most time on is meant to be the opposite of a typical shonen hero

Finally started working on mine. Here's the WIP of my first two pages. It's a dream that kicks off the main character's story arc. The recurring dream sequence will all be in this artstyle but the rest of the comic is in a slightly simpler style so I can make it a little faster, since this takes a couple hours too long for my comfort. Wanting to update two pages twice weekly like this.

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>>89822451
Woops forgot to change it to RGB instead of CMYK

>>89822451
>>89822483
well now this will be an interesting comparison.

>>89822483
nice artsy fartsy bullshit

>>89822538
How so?
>>89822659
As I said, dream sequence. The actual story proper is about a cartographer mapping a bizarre, uncharted land and his adventures in the wild.

>>89822483
Artsy. Your comic had better explain this right quick, boyo.

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>>89822746
That would be giving things away too quick, though!

>>89822733
it would appear that going from cmyk to rgb has resulted in an overall lowering in saturation
i know that doing the reverse removes a lot of shades of bright blue and some of the more subtle browns...

>>89820958
Isn't this plagiarism? Did he even ask permission from the original maker of the copypasta?

>>89823300
you cant own a concept

>>89822906
I don't care about random shapes and colours, though. Doesn't make for a very interesting read without a plot.

>>89823939
Well again, there's an actual plot, this is just a dream. The very next panel is him awakening in his home, a towering seaside windmill.

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>>89816991

im pretty close to being done with this page
i made a tumblr earlier today but havent posted anything yet, i dont even remember how tumblr works, i havent had one since 2013 and early 2014

im going to launch this webcomic after i remake page 1, and maybe the cover page, and choose a host site, its either going to be comic fury OR line webtoons! havent decided yet!

also, encase anyone missed it i already have the next 8 pages done including this one all the way to page 10: >>89811061
>>>89811061

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>>89824142

i have notebook sketches of each character and their accessories, they each have there own unique coffee cup, lighter/matches, backpack/purse, and umbrella and ofcourse there own special goth girl grill, the main theme of the comic, oh and they all smoke the same brand of cigarettes ofcorse and all drink black coffee

>>89824015
does it end up being prescient in retrospect?

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>>89824270

will this madman ever be stopped?

>>89824281
Yeah it ties into a specific point about halfway through the story, and then again near the end.

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>>89816991
Yesterday i uploaded 2 new pages to my "choose your own adventure" webcomic. Barely passed 24 hours and already 6 people voted. That just doubles last week's votes.

Also, i've got a question. The universe of Arkanoth is something a bit complex, that needs some explanation, but i don't want to go like mangas that spend 20 pages explaining how thing works, but i also don't want to throw things without info knowing that this kind of narrative (the 1 or two pages per week where readers decide) doesn't allow me to explain things easily. Would be TOO TERRIBLE to add parallel pages on the own world's blog that explain some of the complicated things? I did it with this update, added one page to explain a bit what Dungeoneerists are, you read it if you want after clicking on the link.

Anyway, any critique is really welcome, leave here the link to read from the start or go to the new pages:
http://quinmael.tumblr.com/post/157066148124/quinmael-another-arkanothadventures-update

>>89824602
just do some cute little 'ask' pages to get the exposition out
might be fun if it was its own character, a jaunty little archivist guy

>>89824709
Oh, good idea! I told people to send questions to explain anything they want to know as the story unveils.

Anyway, i kinda needed to add extra info to make the reader understand the importance of the book. Do you think i did too much and that i could have that info left for future updates?

>>89824905
nah i think that was fun
what you did is you put a tiny, ignorable link in the author comments section, where nobody is going to find it

>>89823404
regardless one shoud give credit where credit is due

>>89824961
Thanks. I'll try to find a way to make it more visible

>>89825127
and he did credit the meme

>>89825419
oh ok then cool

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Re-did this panel, didn't like the old one.

>>89826576
huh, i liked it, but I like this one too
you can post the other if you want, we've been looking a lot into redo-comparisons recently

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>>89826662
Sure

>>89826991
hmm, it's interesting, I like some aspects better before, but I can definitely see a lot i like about the new version too. Especially that fist bursting out of the panel, that is fantastic.

>>89818900
so basically FOIGHTIN ROUND THE WUHLD but with two girls instead of russel crowe? that could work. just ask yourself why they beat people up, and make it a story

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>when your comic is so bad even your mom is telling you to stop wasting your time

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>>89824142

redrawing page 1 now, im ready to just launch this thing already! Still havent decided on a host site yet...

original version of this page: >>89740772

it was super cartoony and no one liked it so i made up a better style and am doing it in black and white thanks to my haters because looking back on it now a few days later they were fucking right for once!

so if this webcomic blows up one day and has a huge fanbase i owe it to my 4chan haters who kept it real with me and told me it sucked and looked autistic and needed to be redone. thanks yall!

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>>89828889
did everyone die? im almost finished, just needs word balloons and some texture brushed i made my self to paint in the ground texture and stuff

this is a low 118 kb version, the image got to big to upload on linksys :/

ill upload the finished hd version tomorrow

>>89830101

texture brushes*

>>89830101
keep it up man, this is your best concept yet

>>89818349
I've gotta admit, this one is actually really funny

>>89824142
MY BACK, IT HURTS

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>>89830243

oh wow, thank you, thank you!

what do you think about this idea of having all the food being in color but everything else being in black and white? maybe the fire being in color to, maybe...

>>89830825
sir, sir, excuse me, these girls are dealing with their crippling goth girl depression in the best way they can, this is a serious comic about young teenage goth girls finding away to make it through the bleak and pointless days that add more and more depression and anxiety and other problems. show a little sympathy man, have a little heart!

they also grill a shit ton of hotdog and other bbq meats on there cute little goth grills! ^^

MY EYE, IT HURTS

>>89828635
Dammit. I would so watch a TV series about two girls shouting angrily in Australian and fighting 'round the world.

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>>89830969

painted out the ground and some grass and gave all the girls a shadow in the first panel, also made Lilly's lawn/beach chair see through

so i guess its pretty much done... still low kb version, hd version later on today, plus im launching this comic on either comic fury or line web toons

also rate my texture brushes i made! the grass one i made comes in handy a lot.

>>89831821
my jaw dropped to the floor and i almost cried, thank you, this is the first GGZ fan art i got cuz i just made this project up and started it like 3 or 4 days ago, its super brand new so i was not expecting this at all, thank you!

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>>89830969
I drew a log girl. Don't know her name but here ya go~

>>89821322
That is some dynamite panel flow. I hope for panel three the impact is super strong and shakes stuff.

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>>89831912

her name is Tiny Bird, but everyone calls her T-bird for short!

again thank you this is amazing! i was expecting anything like this so soon! 10/10 drawing!

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>>89831912
don't do this

>>89831980
Nah, I'll keep doing it

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>>89831980

in my defense, not only is that crop from 4 years ago, but it was part of a series of drawings i did in less than 2 days as part of a free give away of art on deviant art, none of the characters where mine and i wasn't very good with anatomy back then and just freestyled and made anatomy up back then but im much better now 4 years later here in 2017 man

also that autism quote was from a fake deviantart account someone from here made up just to troll me in a very hateful and but hurt way because i out trolled the trolls and that pissed the troll off into making a fake account with fake info, it was pretty funny though

some of those other quotes are mine and i really believed that stuff back then but i think i have grown as an artist and as a person since then

tl,dr: dont reply to the outdated dont reply meme. filter "dont reply" and you wont have to see this hater fail at being a hater which is really sad, lol

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>>89820905
damn, beat me to it

>>89747406
i did it too, and assumed the guy is made of metal.
>linework help
its a simple style so simple linework would do. thicker on closer things, thinner on farther, that kind of thing. mostly you just need to make your lines smoother and more confident.
dropping some basic shadows, cast and form, would really help bring it out. also establishing a value pattern. maybe even for organic things do a bit of cross-hatching

>>89828853
your comic sucks, sweetie. now come set the table for dinner

>>89831943
T-Bird isn't a very goth name.

>>89822659
>>89822746
>>89823939
God, no wonder I stopped posting here. Opacity in storytelling can build interest and stories can also be told abstractly. Just because you don't personally find it moving or interesting (though I would argue that's because you don't know how to read it in the first place) doesn't mean it's "artsy fartsy bullshit." You're the kind of dumbfuck who thinks when somebody says comics that they mean Marvel and DC.

>>89822483
To the artist - the 9 grid works well here. I like the juxtaposition of the grid with the ambiguity of image and color. It's literally the best thing I've seen posted here since I started lurking again a couple weeks ago. I also like your use of color here as symbolic rather than naturalistic. Folks here are rather ignorant about this kind if work, so don't take it to heart.

>>89833843
>Opacity in storytelling can build interest and stories can also be told abstractly.
Sure, but I'm not going to trust some random asshole on the internet to be able to do that well. If I see some bullshit like this from some nobody, I'm not going to assume they're one of the 0.000000001% of authors who know what they're doing, I'm going to make the safe assumption that I'm wasting my time, and then move on.

>>89833918
You're not educated in the medium if you think the percentage of artists who work in comics that can pull off this type of narrative is so small.

How is a nobody supposed to become a somebody - and how are we supposed to keep the medium fresh and viable - if the only ones "allowed" to do unconventional or challenging narratives are already established? It would suck to approach comics as though they were meaningless until approved or recognized by the old guard.

It's basically Shitpost: the series.

http://lastsporkintheuniverse.thecomicseries.com/

>>89833691

Are we having chicken tendies and mac 'n cheese again tonight?

>>89833843
>Opacity in storytelling
>stories can also be told abstractly
This is machine code. Hold on, let me get my buddy who's an expert in translating machine code.

OK, just wait a little bit, he's on his way.

He's almost here...

OK, he got here, now he's translating it. The result is...
>fuck the readers lmao I shouldn't ever have to explain everything those sheep should just know what I'm thinking at all times and if they don't then they're just plebeians who don't appreciate true kino that requires you have an IQ of 205 to even begin to understand if you aren't the one who's writing it in the first place

>>89831909
your writing is poo poo :( can you at least attempt to sound mature? any goth girl iv ever encountered either did the really silly rando thing or they were mature for there age...they didnt say retarded shit like that, and even if the chick did say shit like that you should establish her as someone whos into dark literature or something not just "duuuuuuurrrrrr how much darkness points have been added to your dark meter" right off the bat so i think shes stupid already.

>>89832163
fair enough, bones. I will work on a new one

>>89835292
I respect my readers enough to know they don't need me to hold their hand. Plus, in this comic's case, it appears that the abstractions in the dream will be contextualized later on - it seems to function as a prologue. Foreshadowing isn't an uncommon thing in storytelling...

>>89835454

It's Bones, the Village Idiot. Don't try to make sense of whatever it is he is trying to slop across a canvas and pass off as a comic.

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(Awaiting the resolution of some domain fiddlery, but in the meantime: a page!)

>>89833843
There's nothing wrong with pages in that style, but it's not a very good way to open your comic if you're producing for the web. Internet readers tend to be even quicker to push your work aside if it doesn't immediately engage them.

On top of that, the composition feels...not quite deliberate enough. It doesn't flow terribly well, but it doesn't seem to give an impression of being choppy and frantic either. Pieces like the falling figure into standing figure into same upside down isn't utilized in a striking way, the focus on figure in each seems arbitrary rather than choreographed. The contrast of the orange and blues is diluted by the orange being nearly all encompassing in page 1 but the blue sharing too much real estate with other colors in page 2. The eye being mirrored between pages ALMOST works, but lacks the impression of intent; I'd say being a clearly defined right eye both times instead of opposites or a more neutral eye is the culprit there.

This CAN work, but in a vaccuum it isn't striking.

>>89838412
I appreciate that you can explain why it doesn't work for you. I don't care if we have different taste - but I hate when folks dismiss something just because it "looks" like something else and don't think of why.

>>89838366
I'm just glad you're okay. too many good comics disappear

>>89839457
Thanks for the concern, anon.

Basically the issue is domain forwarding faff, but the tumblr root domain (and incorrect temporary one) are still working!

Unrelated: is anyone planning anything cool for their comic for Valentine's Day?

>>89839722
hmm, if I stay on schedule, I should have a comic out on vamlumtimes, but I don't think I'll make it a special one

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>>89838412
Hey anon, I'm the guy who posted the page. Maybe I can explain a bit.

>Internet readers
While this is true I would like to give my readers the benefit of the doubt, and hope they see where this is going. Obviously this whole endeavor was a major misstep from the reaction in this thread.

>the composition feels...not quite deliberate enough. the focus on figure in each seems arbitrary rather than choreographed.
I assure you it's very deliberate. 1 is a far shot, 2 is a medium shot, and 3 is a closeup (or blackout, to disrupt the flow). Panel 5 on page 2 will have a larger shadowy figure, it's still WIP.

>The contrast of the orange and blues
There is a general flow from yellow and harsh blood-red into a warm violet across the first page, which then continues in page two from violet to blue. The sun also transitions from blood-red into predominantly yellow. This is meant to show a progression within the dream from flashes of images and memories into a colder, linear narrative within the dream itself. This is expanded upon later, but I wanted to convey through color a sense of warmth cut between bad memories into a nightmare, which is why the shot scheme reverses as well across the pages and 1s become 3s. It narrows in further with each subsequent row.

>The eye being mirrored between pages
This is also intentional. The shot of his right eye is a reoccurring motif and, if you follow the comic, you'll see the format is played with to reflect his mental state from the colors to the shot distance. It's always hit right eye for story reasons which will be revealed on page 174 I believe. The entire comic is fully mapped out at 188 pages. Every image in the first spread is explained and detailed further in the story, which is about a cartographer mapping a surreal, uncharted land while quietly stalked by the demon which resides there. I hope you'll stick around for it though! And thanks for actually going into detail about it, I appreciate the feedback.

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For the other redraw request last thread... anyone else want an anon's take on one of their panels?

>>89840335
holy shit I fucking love it. it's gorgeous! And they all actually lead into each other!! I'm gonna study this, I think I can learn a lot
Ima put this on the fanart page, uhh.. I don't recognize you right away, what's yer handle to credit you with?

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>>89840401
Sure, you can put Vela. I haven't posted anything here, just lurking, as I have yet to start my comic (still practicing/working on story) but I have some stuff up on tumblr (ilisvela)

>>89841453
awesome, ima check your tumblr out and I'll add a note about that too. I hope you start your comic soon because this art is the good hot apple pie right out of the oven.

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moon doggos: what is geometry addition

camera quality wasn't the best on this one, my apologies

>>89841453
hey this might be my imagination, but it kind of looks like some of your art has been stretched vertically. is it possible you're working on a bad aspect ratio or something? have you tried looking at your art on another computer, or printing it out?

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Newspaperanon again. Just finished this week's strip

>>89843228
hehehe, I chuckled.
i'd reverse those word bubs positions though, so the first one in each panel is on top.

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>>89820958
He actually did it! The madman!

>>89843301
Thanks! If even one person gets a kick out of my comic then it's all worth it

I tried reversing the positioning of the word balloons but it kept coming out weird and hard to read. If I could I would move both characters around so that it would be easier to place their word balloons

I watched an episode of Hunter X Hunter (fairly far in) and was actually kinda mad to see a child character was able to effortlessly beat 40 strong men. Granted, this is a work of high fiction, I'm unable to "suspension of disbelief" (for the life of me I cannot figure out a different way to say that)

After that moment I decided to make my fights more believable, that includes characters not being able to fight for lengthy periods of time or should a character find him/herself fighting more than 2 foes alone, no matter the difference in skill level (aside from perhaps civilian class), the first priority would be to flee.

While some characters might discuss tactical advantages to drawing out fights by avoiding the use of their best skills out of the gate, most characters with any combat training will concede that it is important to end a fight as quickly as possible.

>>89843820
>I am unable to suspend my disbelief

>>89843989
Yeah, just doesnt sound the same to me

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>>89843478
>>89843228
> I tried reversing the positioning of the word balloons but it kept coming out weird and hard to read.

It's even harder to read and kills the punchline with the balloons in the wrong order. While Left reads before Right, Top reads before Bottom.

>>89844017
Thanks Anon! I'll make sure to fix this asap

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>>89843478
I didn't have any trouble

>>89843820
how big a kid? kids DO have superior speed and endurance, if he knew how to hit all the weak spots I could see him taking out a couple.. and if he was super trained in martial arts, I mean..

in any case, that's good. anytime you see something in fiction that rubs you wrong, fixing it is what makes your work feel like it had someone involved who cared

>>89844132

it wasn't a weakpoint deal, this kid could actually fight and defeat these guys like they were paper.

The roster of the first few chapters of people who have had training but zero fights outside of the dojo, while another character has been getting into fistfights their entire life.

>>89844324
yeah without knowing any other details, that sounds unrealistic. the kind of thing the story should acknowledge, and get the reader interested in the reasoning behind, not just accept

>>89844407
I know it's further in an anime, but it seems like the kind of thing that Context wouldn't fix for me

I'm working on the art, but all I want to do is write the story, not draw it. How do you artists do it?

>>89842837
Hmm do you have a specific example? I draw on an iPad but I've seen it on the computer too, I haven't seen any stretching. Unless you mean like body proportions, yeah I tend to make legs/arms too long especially when I'm not looking at some reference. I'm working on anatomy though so hopefully I can fix that

>>89844463
Japan does this with Light Novels, look into it

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>>89844098
great edit there friend

>>89844459
well sure there is, he could be an anomaly in some way, a prodigy, a young bruce lee, or something supernatural or inhuman. that's what makes fighting shit fun. but you have to balance it right so it always feels believable. Every hit, every bit of physics should pull you in, not take you out. that's how I feel anyway, and I've been choreographing fights in my head my whole life.
>>89844522
well it's subtle, it just looks like maybe your aspect ratio is just slightly off, or that you've been resizing without preserving it, or something. Everything looks a little oddly elongated but only vertically. it's not just limbs being long but faces look narrow. when I take a picture like this redraw, or your most recent sketch dump, or the guy with the sword and round shield, and squash it vertically by a good 15-20 percent, it looks a little more normal.. but it's hard to tell, since the proof would be in something diagonal looking wrong, and not much here is diagonal

can you just draw us a circle or square, eyeball it so it looks roughly equal in every direction? maybe it's just my imagination

>>89830969
bones, dude
youve nailed something great here

fucking yes!!

>>89833764
it is when you understand that T stands for Traumatized and bird is slang for female

>>89844804
and besides, being that it's basically a gigantic rain-causing raven, the thunderbird is easily one of the most goth kinds of birds.

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>>89831909

well, i launched it on line webtoons: http://www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/goth-grill-z/meet-the-goth-grillers/viewer?title_no=62112&episode_no=1

instantly regret it though, because something about linewebtoons just doesnt feel right...

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>tfw comic will never get popular because the arts trash
>major comic artists can poop on a page and it'll become popular instantly
Its not fair

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>>89846287

hmmm... theres no "new comics section" how is anyone supposed to see anything thats not supper popular?

i looked all ove ther front pages of the website and there is only the most popular webcomics on display, theres no "new updates" or "new comics posted" thingy at all. thats like a basic function. fuck linewebtoons, its a website for people who are already super popular and have a huge following and make millions off there webcomics already, its not for new webcomics, man fuck linewebtoons.

im moving this comic to comics fury

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>>89846432
>>89846287

i deleted it, fuck linewebtoons, that place is a garbage host site, its literally the worst webcomic host site i have ever seen for new webcomics and new users alike, like holy shit wtf? fuck that place, its garbage!

>>89846287
I will be real with you bones, only because you've matured enough to be able to use this knowledge.

This comic, as it is, will not be super popular. The concept might be good, but your art isn't quite there yet. You don't need to be super good at art, but the art needs to be consistent and have nice looking shapes (consistency is your biggest weakness). The fact that you can evaluate yourself and face your shortcomings now means you can move forward. This comic is not the end goal, it's a stepping stone. You will keep doing it and learn a lot in the process, just don't get your hopes up. It's part of the journey, not the destination, and I hope you don't get discouraged. For every comic that you make the art/writing your main focus, you'll get better and better.

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>>89833392
>>89820905
They both look sick, saved.

Here's a bit better and slightly colored version, I should have the completed first page in a few days.

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>>89846287
>>89846432
>>89846527

launched it on comic fury: http://ggz.thecomicseries.com/

ah, thats better, home sweet home, comics fury is the best webcomic host site on the entire internet!

i will slowly upload pages to keep my comic on the front page of the website as long as possible, just like the good old days, feels good man

>>89846651
you're gonna beef up those lines later on, right?

>>89846432
>theres no "new comics section"
there is though, also a "discover" section
popular comics will have spots in the genre tag and "recently updated " section and you can search by genre
dont want anyine else getting confused

>>89846972

no, they dont, and no, discover is not what you think it is, its shit and garbage and i wont waste another second on that terrible website, do you work for them or something? why are you defending that place? do you have a super popular webcomic on there or something? good for you anon, good for you...

Daily reminder posting here means you'll never make it
>all popular webcomic artists either never posted here or left this place in the dust

How do I get over the agonizing realization that people I know will see my comic? I'm not very good with expressing myself. I've only ever posted "safe" stuff (generic pretty illustrations, nothing with any themes that would worry people) on my social media. I can't just hide because someone I know always manages to find my newest tumblr/Instagram/whatever account. I don't want to just water my story down either, though. What do? My brain keeps telling me not to post it at all and just store it forever in my secret sketchbooks, but something else is telling me to just put it all out there.

>>89847100
it's not like this organization, thread or board has any integrity or character, or else this would be a go-to place to advertise your webcomic and get free 10+ followers/people that are looking foward to your stuff.

>>89847112
>I can't just hide because someone I know always manages to find my newest tumblr/Instagram/whatever account.
how? are you putting your real name on shit?
anyway, start liking what you're doing enough that when someone else dislikes it, you dislike them instead of yourself.

>>89847112
well if its seperate from your social media fuck it do it anyways. if they dont like it they can just stop
ive got a friend who couldnt follow me because i keep reblogging underage incest porn. were still cool though

heres my problem
>have story idea since high school
>touchy themes
>make new friends who experienced touchy themes
god i dont want them to see it. i dont want to interveiw them. and i dont want them to think im fucking it all up

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>>89844712
This is freehand without reference - does it look off?

>>89846939
Yes, completely redone.

>>89847357
>>89844712
And that weird sword guy with random items is definitely way off - no reference and I made intentionally large boots, so i know there's a bunch of things off with that one.

>>89847275
No, it's more like social media some way, some how will find a way to recommend me to other people. I can only assume it sparks from me following people that people I know IRL also happen to follow, then I'll get a message like "Anon! I had no idea you made a new account! I'm going to follow you and like all of your stuff!"

I don't even know if I'm worried about them not liking it. It's just that my comic would be so personal, and I don't know if I can bring myself to just share that with people I know. Yet I'm totally fine with sharing it with strangers on the Internet....

>>89847340
you're insulting them by treating the subject like a deletion just because it happened to them. It's real, it happened.. if you don't depict it it's like you're saying no it didn't happen.
that said, you can drop them a line and say like "hey I just wanna let you know, what happened to you, there's a part in my comic that has that, I don't want you to get bummed out if you'd rather not be reminded of that" and they'll appreciate the warning

>>89847357
the circle kinda does, but the squares look perfectly equal. I guess it was just my imagination.
I have known 2 or 3 artists who genuinely have their monitor set wrong, though, so I know that can happen

>>89846651
I'm the one who drew that first one - wow this looks amazing with your colors, I love it

>>89847548
never thought about it like that but youre right. i was too focused on thinking the other way. this is great advice, thanks senpai

>>89848107
also whatever you do don't write your friends into your comic, at least not as couples. they break up sometimes.

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>>89847091
>has a search bar
>app has discover category "others" which list the unknown comics
>can search whats popular for what demographic
>search sort by pop, likes, or date
>search comics by weekday updated or genre

objectively just dont like misinformation

>>89848186
oh of course. wait..did you do that?

>>89848354
forgot to add
>also lists new and upcoming ones in "new releases"

>>89848425
oh, only twice.. with plans for a third and fourth time with the new matches of the first one. he's had some bad luck. good thing i dawdled. sad thing is I had a clever way to work it in.

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>5 hours left for a fanart submission thing
>using it also as practice, put my all into it
>i hate everything about what im doing
pep talk please

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>>89848354

Thats way to many hoops to jump through, fuck all that shit, its a terrible webisite.

>>89846915

made a banner for my brand new GGZ project and freshly launched webcomic ^^

>>89848729
The only motivation you will ever need: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXsQAXx_ao0

>>89848729
focus on the basics/fundamentals

Have this in mind next time you pick up a pencil:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md0hESCYFK0

>>89849104
God what is that bug eyed creature on the right? Why can't you match the style to the left chick which is acceptable?

>>89848729
Fanart doesn't have to be perfect, anon. it's appreciated no matter what.

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anybody else draw stuff for really far ahead in their story when they're bored? I do it quite a lot even if I will redraw it when I get there

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>>89849355

consistency is the flaw that haunts me eternally

becoming a famous and professional artist is like having a deadly level 99 charazard dragon blocking my path and my consistency skills is a level 1 grass type pokemon, just... fuck y life up senpai

>>89849819
I try not to since I'd just have to redo it, but.. once in a while, yeah. I usually plan to reference some of the 'this is what they'll look like in the future' art later on, when that future becomes the present.

>>89848729
attend a life drawing class? Sounds generic, but worked wonders for me. Focus on accuracy; speed comes with time

>>89850183
good advice
not likely to help this anon looking for a pep talk for a project that has 4 hours left, but still good

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>>89850183
>life drawing

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>>89849388
can I ask an honest question? Am I a big bag of dicks if I don't? I mean, "A" for effort an all, but some of the things I've gotten is kinda like that awkward gift your aunt gives you, and you know it's going to just collect dust but you take it anyway because it'll hurt feelings or whatever.

>>89850574
not a liberal arts drawing class

>>89850599

Its not like you're forced to hang it on your refrigerator, or frame it and hang it on your wall.

Just thank the person, and move on. Its that simple.

>>89850599
>>89850654
this, you should appreciate the effort, you don't have to actually love the art. you don't even really have to put it up on your fanart page, but unless you're getting literally dozens of submissions, you probably should. Just tuck it away in some corner of it, you don't have to look at it again.

>>89850362
well I also heard some advice in the comic book industry. Something like "if you don't get it right, don't worry about it too much. Just finish it. Do better next time"
Sounds like good advice to me

>>89850752
that sounds good to me
and I would add "you can't do better next time til you finish the one you're on"

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>>89850728
"you don't have to look at it again"

I will if it's in my favorites D:

and now I just realized I don't even favorite some fan art.

>>89850908
yeah you don't have to favorite it. Just tell them you appreciate it, that's a little pat on the head.

though i never look at my favorites anymore

>>89851931
Wow, what a cutie! I think she's my kinda hero. Her sword's a little short, but that's okay, this monster doesn't seem too aggress-

>he
wha? anon, you've gotta cut it out with the sexy hips poses and the lower-torso binding that gives this lady such an hourglass figure if you don't want everyone to get rrrrl confused.
also your english is really bad, so I don't understand the whole post, but what, this village requires EVEYRONE to be a warrior? there's no bakers in this village? no farmers? who made those clothes?

>>89852306
It could be Spartan style, where the citizens are trained for battle but obviously have day jobs as well. Or just the men battle, or his family is a line of warriors.

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>>89851931
>male
>cute
>ass that wont quit

anyways the dialogue of the second panel is unnecessary

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hey can I just say thanks again to everyone who shoved me into raising the canvas size? I'm enjoying drawing larger so damn much, even if it was hella 'kward at first.

>>89854176
I find this strangely appealing. there must be some pun on 'trap' you could use instead of 'lifequest' which really isn't going to stick in anyone's memory.
not that guy, but in that panel, looking at the sword suffices, it needs no words.
also be careful with some text getting really small

>>89854176
just remove the speech bubble in that panel
and have the motion of him getting his sword really fast, ending in what you have
maybe i can redline some for you another time

>>89854421
this is quite cute

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>>89854533
>cute

>>89854649
yes. cute. nothing too wrong here
you know what this means right? i expect you to keep getting better senpai

>>89854742
im liking it so far
and yeah of course, i can help out tommorrow

>>89854925
will do!
>>89854742
alright let's see... it's about.. a kid.. going on a quest.. his village kicked him out.. he wants to prove himself but at the same time change their minds about the paradigm that sent him out in the first place.. he's been rejected.. banished.. he's kind of a wimp but he's trying to survive.. via combat.. cmon.. ehh.. Tourist Trap? I'm sure I'll come up with something later

>>89855623
>tourist trap
Might be one of the first puns of yours that I've laughed at

>>89855880
that you know of!

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thanks for the pep talk senpaitachi
ill only be able to submit the lineart but really this is my best yet

I banged out some prototype character designs for a thing that might be a thing at some point

It's about a dowdy nerd-girl who finds a library bulletin board ad for one of those cheesy afterschool youth reading clubs, but SURPRISE it's enchanted to only be visible to teens with latent magical/psychic potential, and instead of reading they fuck around with their powers under the scant supervision of a guy who roughly looks and acts like the lovechild of Gandalf and Willy Wonka. Hijinks ensue, etc.

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>>89859063

>forgot pic

Every time

>>89859063
i like the fuckin-around part. that's a lot more believable than immediately fighting crime.
and the mentor guy sounds like a load of fun. I'm imagining Mr Magorium somehow

>>89859085
oh fuckin cute. yeah I like this style.
this is like, what Mystery Train should have looked like.

>>89859105

Thanks. Originally it was going to be more of a sort of structured tutoring thing, but then I thought it would be more fun if it were more like a sort of mystic arts and crafts camp - i.e. less rigorous instruction and more fun activities/field trips and mostly self-directed projects.

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Finally back to working on Lido.

>>89859249

Tell me about your comic fampai

Those poses and expressions are dripping with personality

>>89859249
nice to see old dudes back again, I miss some of the comics

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>tfw comic's stagnation has left me feeling powerless and directionless

>>89859356
Thanks!
The basic premise so far is that Ellen and Michael went on a hiking trip and found an odd light in the woods, which transported them to a different forest and changed the time of day. I can't reveal too much at this point, but it's going to be a fairly long fantasy story. I've been working on it for something like a decade on-and-off.

http://lidocomic.tumblr.com

>>89859499
I really appreciate it.

>>89859249
not gonna lie, I forgot about you. still hella glad you're back
>>89859954
a 'trap' is a boy that looks like a girl
a tourist trap is a roadside attraction meant to gather tourists and their money, usually people intending to travel somewhere else but it gets them to stop along the way
because this 'trap' is traveling, he is sort of a tourist. it's actually a pretty weak pun

>>89860074
gay as fuck

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>tfw you are eager to start your comic, doodle for about 10 minutes, fail spectacularly, then give up and go back to browsing 4chan

>>89860638
kill yourself degenerate

>>89820958
Already a thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcVGDV67L-g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_rz1bluG_k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLUjMWRCzic

>>89860909
xdd edgy

>>89860557
>tfw feelsguy could just actually post for crit and get better
>tfw you want to help him get better

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didnt get very creative with camera angles this time, even though it kept pecking at my mind to do so.. but I still love this one. Lotta good times with Hel. yet another villain foiling themselves (too bad it's not terribly visible, but hopefully everyone gets what happened). anytime I draw some shit I've never drawn before, it's a good day

>>89861278
you are feelsguy
your comic does not exist

>>89860909 gets deleted
>>89820958 meme spam is still up

wtf mods?

why is the trap boy comic deleted?

What happened to the vigor mortis main site?

>>89864534
it not there anymore or something?

>>89864534
As mentioned earlier in the thread:

>>89838366
>Awaiting the resolution of some domain fiddlery

>>89839722
>Basically the issue is domain forwarding faff, but the tumblr root domain (and incorrect temporary one) are still working!

If I want to make a living out of webcomics or character design, is it good to learn indesign? My mom thinks I should take some courses to learn it.

>>89865206
Photoshop or Illustrator would be a better choice for general drawing.

Indesign is for assembling things like flyers, magazines, comic books, etc.

>>89865291

Thats what I thought, i have some indesign textbooks at home, but its so confusing to me. So much more complex than using something like photoshop or mangastudio. Maybe it just me and I dont understand the material. Total indesign newb here.

>>89865206

InDesign is more for desktop publishing stuff - book and magazine layouts, basically. Industry standard for creative illustration and concept art was Photoshop for a long time, but the attitude may have changed somewhat in recent years with software like Illustrator and Paint Tool SAI slowly gaining more traction among the more stubborn studios.

Unless you're "download more RAM"-tier computer illiterate, software courses aren't gonna teach you anything you can't find for free online. You really have to be a vicious autodidact to succeed in comics, anyways.

Man, are these threads dead as fuck these days or what? Was there a mass exodus or something? Last time I was a regular here we had almost reached shitpost critical mass.

>>89867282
It's Sunday afternoon, people might be off doing stuff. Like working on their comics instead of shitposting.

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>>89869284
Yes

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>>89869535
I'm cleaning up pages and makimg a task list.

>>89869535
whoa, dildonic. very nice
that planet though has equal shading on both sides, it makes it look flat.
>>89869605
ditto those ... eggs? the ones in the air, other than the one below the A. the ones on the ground are fine.

>>89870349
Thanks, I'll fix that shit.

I've just started learning how to seriously draw. Proko was recommended to me, so I started with that. Loomis seems a bit advanced right now. I'm THAT new. Now he seems to really like the overhand grip, but I'm nervous with how that will translate to a tablet, which is what I plan on doing 90 percent of my art with when I'm good enough.

tl;dr - is Proko and the overhand grip good if I want to make comics on a tablet, or should I stick with tripod and find a different 'teacher?'

>>89847100
Are there any good comic artists who left this place behind? All I can think of is the one who made that comic about demons in winter land.

>>89871413
tripod? overhand?
I've never gone in-depth on grip before, I think everyone has their natural comfortable grip, and what matters is how you move your wrist (and something people often neglect, your elbow)
I can tell you a tablet handles roughly the same as pen and paper, unless you were trying to literally color with the side of it, the way you might with a colored pencil. there are some tablets that can handle angle, I'm told, but most are just a pinpoint and pressure, so the important thing is working on pressing and releasing your pressure in as smooth a manner as possible.
>>89871447
she comes by every so often.

>>89871413
I had to google that shit, do not fuck up your future with some overhand autistic monkey grip

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>>89871596
>I can tell you a tablet handles roughly the same as pen and paper, unless you were trying to literally color with the side of it, the way you might with a colored pencil.
That's what Proko is teaching (Versus tripod being the way you write.) so it sounds like I should try a different class that focuses on a different grip if my goal is using a tablet well. Dynamic sketching seemed like it's up my alley, but I'm not sure about dropping 700 bucks on a class. Any other recommendations?

>>89871668
the fuck would you spend money for? If you can't commit your own time and dedication to learning all the free shit there is on youtube and everywhere, dropping $700 is not some magical solution

Question for artists. How long did you/should you practice anatomy before starting to stylize your art? How did you know it was time?

>>89871736
Can you recommend me some of the free shit? That's exactly why I'm asking. I have no experience, so I can't tell the garbage tutorials from the actually helpful ones. Proko and Dynamic Sketching were both recommended to me, but the former uses overhand grip and the latter costs money, so I need other options.

While before I have stated that I wish to avoid trope heavy characters, I think I'm doing alright if this one is the closest.

She (names aren't finalized yet, i'll call her Yumi for the time being) was the third born and only daughter of a wealthy family. When Yumi was 8, both of her parents died in a tragic vehicle accident. The elder son would be named the head of the estate and use his family's assets to start his own law firm. He would act as the custodian to Yumi's Trust and effectively cut her off. The middle brother would be in agreement. As the years go by, she would come to view this act as a betrayal and blame her weakness in the family on being a girl.

Soon after her parent's died, Yumi would one day meet Oko, who had just been disowned by her own parents because of her powers, and the two became fast friends. As the years went on, they became closer and She became romantically infatuated with Oko, yet unable to confess her feelings out of fear that their friendship might end.

Oko had always been straight forward with Yumi about her powers, but one day Yumi began developing powers of her own. Fires would start around her when she got mad. To control herself, Yumi sought to learn a martial art. Among her few remaining fond memories of her past, she recalled her love of samurai movies and wished to learn Kendo. Her brother supported the idea and allowed the use of her trust to enroll.

By the start of the comic, she'll have a basic control of her powers, at least enough not to start fires unless she wants to. She'll have a slight amount of disdain for her being a girl, so she opts to not wear more feminine clothing despite her face unmistakably being that of a young woman's. She'll also hold a bias against men.

>>89871668
>700 dollars
christ on a crocodile, how rich are you? poor in sense, clearly

>>89871668
Udemy, look around for sales and deals, never pay more than 15 bucks for ANY class

>>89859249
did you ever finish the vampire comic? I'm glad you're back to working on Lido but I liked that one too

>>89872162
Thanks, that looks pretty good. Other than that, any other general tips, or am I just too in my own head and I really just need to start practicing anatomy by copying pictures until I can get it right on my own?

Hey does anyone know the deviantart of that guy who had some comic/art about these characters that were "artist creations" like actual artists fighting it out with their OCs / imagination battling? not sure if it was his or part of a contest... I think he posted something in one of these threads but I can't find it

>>89872684
warm up on the tablet as if you were warming up in your notebook, then just keep going, focus on form for now, ill locate a website that works perfectly for gesture drawings

>>89872684
Gesture is the most important part of drawing anatomy, all of the individual parts could look perfect but not come together correctly. Starting with the gesture trains your eyes how to look at the form, and the detail comes later.

https://www.quickposes.com/en

>>89872805
that does sound slightly familiar.. I don't think he posted much before leaving, just a few designs.

>>89872881
Thanks, that'd be a huge help. I am noticing quite a bit of improvement just from finding a picture I like and trying to replicate it, but I know that if I don't have the foundations down and I'm not, say, holding the pencil right or something, then I'll absolutely hit a wall sooner rather than later.

And regardless, that doesn't help me too much when trying to draw from my imagination. Take away reference pictures and I can barely draw a recognizable cat.

>>89872995
Just keep drawing, you'll eventurally find whats more comfortable.

Also, don't fear using references. All artists do it. They had a bunch of concept artists from Bethesda try to draw a horse without any references, was horrid.

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>>89872995
>>89873059

The horse picture in question, wasn't specifically Bethesda artists like I thought but they are paid artists.

>>89873059
in fact memorizing can mess with you, if your memory starts to drift, and soon you find yourself drawing an animal 'the same way you always did' but with a major mistake you never realized because you were pretty good at it in the first place and didn't think you needed references

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>>89873059
>>89873154
>Also, don't fear using references
My big stumbling block right now is knowing when I'm going TOO far with references. I get using references, but at what point does it just become copying an image?

Like plz no bully, this is one of the first things I drew when I got my tablet, and I know I'm not good yet. Also I'm color blind. this is literally just me redrawing two pictures I got from google and tossing a shitty background on it. Is that relying too heavily on references? Or is that normal?

>>89873294
never outright copy the picture, a good example is that this hand holding the sword doesnt look right, so ill look up various pictures of people holding objects, compare them to my drawing, and use the information i learned to fix it. Maybe it was the wrist configuration, so seeing how a wrist moves when the hand is holding something is important.

Maybe the dog in your picture wants to play, dogs have that body language so you can look up the pose.

>>89873294
well see, just because you aren't pulling the reference from your imagination doesn't mean you aren't still using it. a 2d image requires imagination to understand how all its parts fit together. you should be able to rearrange those poses in your head, once you get good and practiced at it

the cat's better than the dog, but this is a fine work with your first tablet. i uh.. i think the scale might be off, and the kitten is on a further-back plane than the dog, and obviously the background was just a space-filler. but the important thing is you did a fine job using the references, now try a few more different poses and see if you can extrapolate one yourself.

also, colorblind huh? were you going for realism? because the sky is a shade off, and the kitten is a completely alien color, but the rest is accurate. you'll probably have to learn to eyedrop

>>89871789

I did both at once, and just let each naturally inform the other.

>>89817675
Is that a yellow Nerd with wings?

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>>89849104

i made this early this mourning and couldn't post it until just now because at home on linksys the 4chan captcha thingy kept crashing my internet

i already finished this page a few hours ago but forgot to put it on my usb stick so here is the wip version of page 4 :/ now i have to wait until tonight when i come back here to my grandparents house to upload the finished page everywhere i need to upload it to. :/

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>>89873294
This is the single greatest tutorial on the subject of using references, Save it, Favorite it, Go to Deviant art and thank the one who made it.

>>89873474
>>89873376
Okay, okay, I see what you're getting at. Kinda like getting enough reference material in your head that you have an imaginary model to work with, or using images more like legos.

As for the color, skies and grass will never be right for me, so I've decided to just let it be there, but the cat I eyeballed from a reference image of a bengal that I can't find again, so that's not supposed to be that alien. I can never get droppered colors to look right, but if it's that bad, I'll work on that when I get to a good place with the actual line work.

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>tfw you dream of the day your comic will have fans chattering excitedly over what happens next but with each passing day the realization that you're basically too retarded to create something noteworthy becomes more and more apparent

>>89871789

both at the same time famz

>>89873614
actually your grass is right, it's just oversaturated
it's funny, they say the stripes on things like cats and such is supposed to be camouflage, and most of us go 'well that stands out, it's a totally different color', but .. for their colorblind prey, it makes them blend in perfectly. You colored the cat the same color as mint ice cream, when it should be the color of peanut butter or so. I guess you can't distinguish those, but maybe you could keep a list

or just be weird and enjoy the special attention a colorblind webcomic gets

>>89873453
>>89873748
So you're saying that an artist's "style" is really an effect of how they perceive what they're drawing, not something consciously crafted?

>>89873853

"Style" in the sense of visual identity in one's art mainly boils down to personal interest. A style enables someone to draw more of the things they like drawing while minimizing what they don't. "Stylization" is a related concept, but not entirely - all art is, on some level, stylized.

>>89873853
mm.. I think it's more about preferences in geometry
like, we have words in our language for square, circle, pentagon, but we don't have names for 'the approximate shape of a forearm or shin with calf' or 'the kind of angular shape of a hinge joint' and correspondingly, we're always winging them. especially since anatomy is never perfectly regular anyway. so to some extent you have to put in your own taste.
hell we don't even have a name for the two-cornered oval shape of an eye. what most people do is draw the top arch one way, the bottom arch another way, and decide how they best enjoy connecting them

>>89873853

i have no idea what kind of mumbo jumbo your talking about, but now that i think about it I think i tried to make up unique drawing styles before i taught my self anatomy with books, youtube, google, and real life study

>>89874084
>>89874092
>>89874174
Thanks for the responses. I think I understand a little better. It basically is something you want to happen naturally, as you learn how to draw things more correctly.

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I'm just going to dump what I got done.
Rip it shreds /co/mrades.

>>89874446
Fuck the second page is too large.

>>89874446
>landship up
fufufu
I like this, i love a seinfeldian conversation with rabbits, but I've gotta criticize some of the choices.. that kind of hatching really messes with the fur patches, making them look more like part of their head has been eaten away. also going by the 10th and 11th panels or so, you're trying to make big pupils in the eyes, but almost every other panel just looks like creepy empty eye sockets
basically all together they look like zombunnies, and I assume they aren't actually meant to be zombunnies. everything else is great.

>>89872507
It's not done, just on the backburner for now while I progress a bit in Lido. If inspiration strikes I'll probably doodle out some pages, but it's not going to be super regular.

>>89838366
The thing I notice is
That your characters never have any sense of personal space like aren't they annoyed at how close they are to eachother at all times?? Sorry if I'm being nit picky but i noticed that about your pages although you have improved on the layouts of the pages, I'm digging the face shot at the bottom, your getting good at when to present different types of shots and there placements, just work on how the characters physical interaction, I'd be annoyed if people where that close to me every damn sec and that's not being anti social.

>>89875756
it is in my book
if i die and people are STILL pretending touching is something to be avoided, i'm double-killing myself.

>>89875786
Not them, but I think there's a difference between "touching each other is fine" and "LETS RUB OUR ELBOWS TOGETHER AT ALL TIMES." Sometimes you gotta just back the fuck up.

>>89875951
if you're bumping into each other, yeah. that is annoying. that is 'dog won't get out from behind my ankles' annoying.
In this case it just looks like a cramped office building. I seem to recall our corridors never had space for two people to walk abreast

>>89869535
>>89869605
This is india ink, righ?.
Set the program you use to scan them to B&W (not grayscale) and they will come out super crispy.

>>89875786
>>89875951
Touching is fine , I'm just saying you gotta use physical interaction at the right times it should convey something , you can't just draw like that cuz it's easier for you lol reminds me of the damn gang green gang off of power puff girls, I'm just trying to help out the artist just something I NOTICE

>>89876176
I'm sure the artist would be smart enough to let the reader in on the fact that the corridor is cramped may even make a joke out of it but you shouldn't draw it cramped for the hell of it, let those motherfuckers breath a bit

>>89874546
Holy shit. Thanks. I have a bunch more pages but like I said. They're too big to post here.

>>89876307
so shrink them down? you'll want to do that before posting anyway
>>89876294
i think if i was painting in watercolor i'd be trying to make everyone as large as possible, even if that means crowding them in a little, so I didn't have to try doing tiny details in watercolor

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>>89876389
>>89874446
Alright page 2 then.

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>>89876532
Page 3

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>>89876582
Page 4
I forgot to ink this page. After a day of inking I was too tired to ink it. I'll do it later though.

>>89876186
If you're going to ask that the artist pay more attention to their character spacing, could you at least bother with proper punctuation?

>>89876532
Your character's pupils are so damn big it's hard to tell where she's looking or how she's emoting.

IF they were just dot eyes it'd be one thing, but you're putting in sclera that's hard to even see in some panels.

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>>89876615
Got lazy with the background here, but I think it looks better. I'm not sure.

>>89876617
i dont think that's a valid complaint
>>89876186
haha, or the Populars. or the sisters in the loud house. i love crowded-together cartoons

>>89876665
I was trying to imitate how eyes look like in actual rabbits. I have trouble towing the line between looking like actual rabbits and making them emote.
Thanks for the feedback. Should I give them just dot eyes or make the pupils smaller?

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>>89876673
Final page of the chapter.
Don't forget guys. Rip it to shreds. any flaws in a story are like tumors. Unless treated quickly they only grow until they kill the whole body.

>>89876744
Hm, maybe make the whole eye black and add a consistent shine or pupil depending on the character? The all black with no detail is where it gets into zombie territory. The little sliver of white on the sides in panels 3, 5, and 6 here >>89876673 really helps make it look more lively, though I do also like all black with the shine in panel 4

>>89876873
this. all-black rabbit eyes should have some shines in them
or you can leave a crescent of white around, as if theyre just huge black pupils. i like that look too

>>89876794
so far it's just cute, is it going to just be a slice of rabbit life? I like it
just make sure when you resize this for putting online, you shrink it down to 1000 wide or so. might wanna test that now, make sure the test is all still readable (should be)

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>>89873472

And here it is, the finished page, uploading it everywhere now

what do you think of the super awesome explosion I made? pretty cool huh?

official website: http://ggz.thecomicseries.com/

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>>89876873
>>89876950
Like 3 and 4 or like 2? Just for visual confirmation.

>>89877045
By 1000 wide you mean pixels right? And may I ask how many long.

>>89874446

creepy bunny is creepy, if that was your goal then congrats!

>>89876532
hmm... why is the bunny super cute now? wtf? is it supposed to be cute or creepy?

>>89876582
creepy again on page 3

>>89876615
>>89876673

now cute again

holy fuck man make up your mind faggot! lol

>>89877317
2 is best just make sure we see the whites consistently

>>89877309
The grey scale give it good sense of atmosphere. But the way the panels are laid out hurts the pacing of the joke. The sudden explosion would have more impact if the narration on the top page didn't spoil it.

>>89877317
2 3 and 4 are all good. 2 is the most underutilized, so i'd like to see you make that work
if you were going with 3 it'd be best to make the eyes a little bit more oval, so they read properly.

>>89877317
Seconding 2 being the best. 3 is in second place if you don't like the white slivers for whatever reason.

Consistency is the key. Either make sure you can always see the whites, or always see the shinies (barring mindbreaking, of course.)

And if you're having trouble with emoting, eyebrows help a ton with that. 3 with good eyebrows might beat 2 with no eyebrows.

>>89877472
I had no idea it looked creepy. I've been drawing these bunnies for so long that I never even noticed. They're suppose to look cute, I guess.

>>89873472
>>89877309
>this mourning
I hope that pun was on purpose.

Also, getting a real nice nostalgia boner from this. Reminds me of shit like Lenore.

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>>89876794
Alien language when your bunnies already look like ayylmaos.
You just have to draw a little white around the pupil, they look creepy with out it.

>>89877364
you silly goose, you don't pay attention to the length. anyone can just scroll.
for example your page 2 is currently 2352x4200, so once you make it 1000 wide, it'll be 1000x1786. your program will do that automatically.

>>89877667
solid black eyes without shines are always really creepy unless they're perfect circles, and then they have to be below a certain size

>>89877587

i was afraid of that but without the narration the empty road with the way i painted it with texture brushes make the whole page look like shit.

the only way to get rid of the narration and not make the page feel empty and useless is to draw a car parked beside the road... which i dont feel like doing right now, i feel like going to the next page already! just bust these pages out back to back until the first chapter is finished and then maybe give linewebtoons another chance since its designed for comic chapters instead of single comic pages.

>>89877536
I see what you mean. It also has a lot potential for expression. I just fear that it'll make them look too human.

>>89877612
The advise on 3 is duly noted. I plan on introducing more rabbits so having feedback how to make different eye shapes work is a great help.

>>89877616
On eyebrows. How much eyebrow do you think I can get away with while remaining rabbit looking.

>>89877692
Thank you for the advise. Fun fact on that language. It can actually be translated.

>>89877700
Oh I never thought of that. I just wanted to keep the length consistent incase I ever wanted to print it or something.

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>>89877674

i had to google what lenore was, it looks like a creepy comic? cartoon? i never heard of it.

goth girls are cute, CUTE! not creepy! Goth girls make being depressed and sad sexy as fuck! the black clothes and black lipstick they wear represents the black darkness of there lifes, they are like shadows to the world that they exist in. They smoke cigarettes to blacken there lungs and drink black coffee so they can be have black darkness on the inside and the outside! I love goth girls!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFwYJYl5GUQ

>>89877734
Thanks for the tip.

>>89877833
i would make them integrated with their head. like, an eyebrow-bulge, rather than a line or extra hair
except for an elderly rabbit, then you can add more bushy brows.

you should check out Scurry, their level of humanization of mice is freakin perfect

>>89877911
ah, if you want to print it, then you need to start keeping the aspect ratio consistent. Right now it's too long and narrow.
I forget the preferred aspect ratio of a comic page but it's roughly 4:3 yeah? like 8.5x11 inches

>>89877750
You don't have to go and fix it. Just keep pacing in mind for you future pages.

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>tfw your comic has more updates than actual readers

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>>89878021

you realize thats like 99% of the people in here right? including me! maybe 1 person has as many and maybe more but here in /hyw/ i seriously doubt it

where all in this together anon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdHTnpgpLDc

>>89877977
Thanks for the comic recommendations. I'll be sure to take note of how they humanize the rodents.

>>89878004
Thank you sir. I'll note that down for future reference. Can an image of that size be posted as well?

>>89878021
Don't get discouraged. We're all failures.

>>89878155
once you resize it down to 1000 wide or so it's perfect for posting.

>>89877932
Your love for goth girls is admirable this is a project you should stick with and improve upon. Study goth girls as much as you can in different forms of entertainment ! Stalk one even lol jk jk (maybe find one on social media tho?) What I will say is that I lurk here and some people do give you some shit nit picky advice just because it's you while others sometimes give you legit good advice , I hope you get better at figuring out which advice is which because I know after to much shit advice you may feel like we're just being assholes. But just be patiant and learn who's advice to take we're not all trying to be dicks to you (although there are some) I'm the guy who commented on your writing btw....I want you to succeed brother