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What are they, /swco/?

>>88745246
Really angry.

>>88745256
I just wonder if they're corpses animated by the Force like puppets, or if they actually bind the souls of sisters who die and keep them handy in case they ever need them.

But yeah they're really super pissed off. Definitely not intelligent like the Nightsister apparitions.

>>88745246
About a 5/10 if I get drunk enough

>>88745281
Dude, that's someone's great great great great great great great great grandma you're getting a boner over.

Just had a cool thought. I assume Luke's Order wasn't as intertwined with the Republic as the prequel Jedi were since that partially led to their downfall. What if in Episode 8 Luke is trying to work with the First Order to seek a diplomatic solution to the conflict and it appears as if he's a traitor? Like what if him and Rey are going to meet a contact on a planet and all of a sudden a TIE-Fighter lands near them. Rey attempts to attack the pilot but Luke restrains her telling her that his contact was a Moff in the First Order that wants to see a peaceful solution to the conflict at hand. Then for the rest of the movie and Episode 8 (along with a lot of EU stuff) you could have Luke trying to use morally righteous Moffs to subvert the First Order into being more like the peaceful Imperial remnant from the EU.

>>88745288
Well, 5/10ths of a boner anyway.

>>88745246
All of your previous waifus have now been replaced by zombie nightsisters. We apologize for the inconvenience.

Please enjoy your new waifus.

>>88745289
All the morally righteous Moffs were demoted/reprogrammed into being Force-Insensitive Darksiders.

>>88745298
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s

>>88745289
No, they weren't. There just weren't enough for them to have any function as peacekeepers. Bloodline had Luke fucking off away from everything else to raise his new Order in peace, which of course never came to fruition. This actually disturbed people before they found out that they were the kids of Vader since Leia was running for Super Senator and Luke was the head of a new Jedi "cult". After the revelation they were really not happy.

>>88745289
Does the First Order even have enough shit to Moff over?

>>88745307
Come on, Vader, we know you've considered this with Padme.

>>88745309
Whether or not to build their Mofference rooms bigger than the Empire's.
But not just slightly bigger, like REALLY bigger.

>>88745309
Yep. They have some fair bits of the Unknown Regions. They have resource worlds, factory worlds, etc. Still nothing like what they had as the Empire, of course, but they make due.

Also according to Bloodline some of the Senators and their worlds were considering leaving the New Republic and joining the FO. Mind you this was before the FO was public knowledge. It was a planned coup by a woman with connections to the FO and fellow like minded asshole senators in her pocket, but we never saw what came of her plan.

>>88745318
It would be an interesting story. To see just how far his grief would take him.

>>88745289
>in 8 and 9 Finn inspires Stormtroopers to rebel against the First Order
>Episode 9 ends with with reverse Order 66 where a bunch of Stormtroopers arrest the Tarkins and Huxs of the First Order and a new Supreme Leader announcing the creation of a constitution
>the First Order becomes like the Roman Empire where they basically go around fighting criminal enterprises and building hospitals and schools for Outer Rim worlds

>>88745337
>Vader II: Comic Boogaloo
>Wherein Vader hunts down Sabe, the decoy of the long ago Queen of Naboo
"H-hey, if I offered you a bunch of credits would you put on this Padme outfit and shake it a little."
"Sure, if you promise not to sob in your helmet like last time."

The Ghost team should have been the ones to get the Death Star plans

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>>88745366

>>88745375
They were already present during the battle. We didn't need them on-planet. Do you really want them to all die that badly?

>>88745289
That sounds pretty neat, I'd watch it. And it's plausible too, given that Johnson pitched the Centrist/Populist split in the NR and is planning to build on that in VIII.

We know that not nearly all Centrists are fascist hardliners like Hux and whatshername from Bloodline. I could easily see the Core worlds like Coruscant supporting the FO to get back the position they had in the GR and the Empire, while also not being on board with the Unknown Region's FO Orwellian insanity.

And Luke's Jedi being actual scholars, ambassadors of peace, diplomats, instead of the Republic's stooges - perfect.

But realistically, I just expect Luke to deal with Kylo's bullshit, while all the galactic heavy lifting goes to Finn and the Resistance.

>>88745383
Yes.
>Zeb getting blown up by a grenade
>Kanan getting shot after hitting a switch
>Hera raging out after seeing Kanan die and going down in a blaze of glory
>Ezra and Sabine dying in each others arms as the planet explodes

>>88745289
A Jedi order that was about keeping peace between galactic forces instead of siding with one side would be great, but we can't have that because it goes against the OT.

>>88745451
SO does that make Rex K2?

>>88745474
Of course. Old clones taking on Stormtroopers will always be great.

>>88745275
>>88745246
Well with Bane they established that Dark Siders can root themselves to a place after death, and the witches are definitely a dark side organization
that combined with all their weird potions inherent to their planet its not surprising that they can have spirit animated corpses or possessing spirits

http://www.tmz.com/2016/12/28/debbie-reynolds-dead/

>>88745504
>Well with Bane they established that Dark Siders can root themselves to a place after death
Bane was an illusion created by the Priestesses, though. He wasn't an actual spirit of any kind.

>>88745201
So just yesterday i finished my marathon of the PT and OT.
What should i watch next? (episode VII and RO aside) What is the chronological order of the cartoons?

>>88745529
aw really? i took it as sort of a perversion of the force ghost concept they were exploring in those eps. rather than excepting yourself and reaching a point of zen so that you can transcend your death and live on as a spirit you hold on to your corporeal point of death full of denial and negativity and become rooted to it existing as a haunting specter as opposed to the light side free wandering spirit

also as a clue to the greater plot of the clone wars and the nature of the Sith

>>88745564
watch the cartoons in production order

>>88745564
Clone Wars acts as a great in between for Eps 2 and 3 and Rouge One fits snugly RIGHT before Ep 4 and is a really great companion piece in that way

>>88745573
>>88745564
watch the prequel cartoons in production, don't watch droids or ewoks

>>88745564
http://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-the-clone-wars-chronological-episodeorder

>>88745504
Bane was an illusion, not real. They weren't even subtle about it, Yoda flat said he was dead and gone to his face which dispelled him. It was a test. That's why when "Bane" was defeated it opened the way for Yoda to progress.

Besides, the Jedi were aware of the Rule of Two and felt the Sith were extinct. They knew Bane was dead. They would hardly have helped him "bind" himself to a new location.

Now Nightsisters, on the other hand, appear to have bound some of their sisters to a location, but they knew ways of the Force the Jedi and Sith didn't and were masters of manipulating Living Force. Even then the Nightsisters weren't Dark Side, they were neutral. They could rely on the Light and Dark Sides, and trained to use the Dark without succumbing to it. This is evident in how they behaved. They COULD be quite dark, but among their own kind they still had love and loyalty, things the Sith have no place for.

>>88745611
>Even then the Nightsisters weren't Dark Side, they were neutra
see THAT sounds like bullshit. Maybe its a 'not all nightsisters' things, but Asajj and Mauls clan were deffo darksiders. Ventress explicitly says as much when training Vos in the book, their ultimate text was to kill a force using beast using the dark side.
they just communed with the dark side and weren't all Sithy about it going around trying to grow their power and by creating imbalance by being dicks

>>88745573
>>88745582
>>88745584
>>88745600


Thank you all. The fact that CW had a movie made things more complicated, i suppose Rebels is more linear.

Also:

>Don't watch droids or ewoks

but these things are no longer canon right?

>>88745723
I'm fairly certain they're not canon, but a lot of the stuff i them still is, if that makes sense

>>88745723
Watch 2003 clone wars first so you know where TCW draws inspiration from

>>88745584
>don't watch droids or ewoks
Yeah, good point. Those are Youtube curiosities, not something to dedicate large amounts of time to. Other than that, production order.

>>88745723
>but these things are no longer canon right?
Who gives a toss? Stuff worth watching is worth watching, canon or not.
Those aren't worth watching though.

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some of these pages have been updated, but there isn't even any info about it on wookieepedia or anywhere on the internet I've found

so far I've only spotted this one difference, but it's safe to assume there could be more I've missed. I only noticed this one because I was searching for the last page of the updated issue while having the old comic open.

i'm not sure how i'll be able to continue living on normally from here on out

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Cinda Tarheel standalone movie when

I know TOR is not good but i liked how Jedis reacted to Light Side Siths, they really don't expect it

>>88746111
Who?

>>88746323
What is their reaction? I've not played TOR.

>>88745611
So how did the Jedi know about Bane and the Ro2? I assumed they thought the Sith were wiped 1000 years before.

>>88746436
The EU had a Sith lord going mad trying to reconcile Jedi and Sith teachings, leaking a lot of Sith secrets to the Jedi and destroying a ton of Sith holocrons and relics in the process.

I don't think that it was explained in the canon yet. They are probably waiting for a TOR movie or a Bane standalone.

>>88746381
They are really confused , not sure if if you a good guy in the Sith Empire or if you are messing with their minds. They really believe everyone in the empkre is a monster and you are completly shattering their expection

>>88746436
>lame_bane_joke.jpg

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The Jedi had Jedi Starfighters even before the Separatist Crisis. So this means they used Jedi Starfighters for Jedi business and Republic transport for Republic business. Makes sense.

So good to see Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan again. I can just hear their voices.

>>88746607
I'd pay extra for an Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon spin-off. They wouldn't even have to de-age Neeson and McGregor too much, they're in great shape.

It's a shame that barely anyone touched the TPM era even in the old EU. I've always been fascinated by it, the delusion and denial of the gilded age, hiding a rotten heart beneath. You have the extraordinary corruption, conflicts popping up everywhere and the tensions brewing, the Jedi being smug bastards. Everything is shining and perfect at the first glance, but only just barely masking the absolute decay beneath.

Tell me again, why do we need a Han Solo spin-off?

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Was Sheev a good ruler and politician?

>>88746748
He was a good friend.

>>88746748
no
he put all his eggs in one basket with the death star and nearly destroyed the empire

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>>88746696
> I've always been fascinated by it, the delusion and denial of the gilded age, hiding a rotten heart beneath.

> Everything is shining and perfect at the first glance, but only just barely masking the absolute decay beneath.

Tfw the aesthetics of the Prequels were the literal visual definition of nostalgia and seeing the past through rose colored glasses but it's not "lived in" enough for OT purists

That was the point. The aesthetics of the OT was the reality of the future they lived in, whereas those of the PT were the fantasy quashing the reality into a subservient position. That said, I'd live in the Prequel era, no doubt.

>>88746748
A masterful politician, certainly. But as soon as he could rule without his hands just barely tied by the Senate, he became too complacent for his own good.

>>88746748
Putting everything he had on the Death Star was his biggest mistake, and not noticing that Vader was getting conflicted over the Dark Side was his second biggest

>>88746844

Well, to be fair, actual rulership was never his primary interest. The Empire was only ever a tool to an even greater end. His concern with politics only ever lasted when it served him best.

>>88746832
This, we never saw the Republic and Jedi in their prime, we saw them during their final dying years.

>>88746995
I hope we get some anthology movie set before TPM about the Jedi.
I really just want a fun casual adventure about some new Jedi with a story that doesn't really have a big impact as a whole, just something small and personal. Would be comfy.

Hello is this the hyperautism thread?

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>>88747086
Yes, may I take your order?

>>88747064
>just something small and personal
This in general would be neat. It doesn't have to be saving the galaxy every time.

>>88747144
I'd like a plate full of prequel defender greasy sweat, some boiled sperging EU autism and a side order of cartoon waifuposting. And as a drink, Lucas' tears when he realizes that he sold his '''baby''' and he hasn't directed a barely decent film in almost 40 years.

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Post cute boys.

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>>88747236
>>88747064
That's called a TV show episode.

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>>88747371

>>88746111
Who?

>>88746696
>Tell me again, why do we need a Han Solo spin-off?


We don't need it.

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What is he, /swco/?

>>88747944
The man who jobbed to a teen girl, that's who

>>88747359
mad

>>88747944
a jew

>>88747944
A moron.

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>>88745289
>>88745353
Please christ my body needs this.

When is next Rebel episode?

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>>88747955

>>88748051
The noble descendent of a proud warrior people

>>88745353
>the First Order becomes the Fel Empire from Legacy
Man I can dig it.

>>88746489
>TOR movie
Tell this guy he's dreaming.

>>88748049
January 7th

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>>88748051
>>88748085
not mandalorian

>>88747969
Who is?

>>88748221
Yes she is
It's canon
Just like Boba Fett
:^)

>>88748169
>>the First Order becomes the Fel Empire from Legacy


It would be awesome but i guess JJ will be triggered to see his own invention disappear.

First order is just here to make people think Galaxy's political situation has changed.

>>88748169
>>88748273

Nobody who matters when it comes to decision making read the EU.

>>88748221

What a nice .gif you have there anon. Gr8 for memes.

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why does she look like a monkey

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>>88748425
I don't see it. I say she looks more like a chipmunk

>>88748425
I always called her hamsterface but somebody posted an image edit of her with rabbit ears chewing on carrots I wish I saved it

>>88746881
considering the second got him killed, I'd say that was his biggest mistake.

>>88748425
Her lower face looks like it projects further than her upper face

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Just popping in to remind everyone that Mike Stoklasa is a pleb of the highest order who turned off 'The Lobster' halfway through because it was "boring".

>>88748554
GOd I love this pic

>>88748554
Someone is extremely asspained

>>88748581
>can't have the wrong opinion or it's asspain
gee whiz mister!

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>>88748604
It's asspain if you attack someone out of the blue for having a different opinion
Clearly you felt strongly enough to post about it without any sort of prompting

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>>88748631
>attack someone
Mike Stoklasa will never read that post.
I'm merely providing a PSA for my fellow anons.

>>88748694
And what was your motivation for doing so?

Asspain

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>>88748726
No. You see my friend, when people post Plinkett, they are ignorant of the fact that he can't appreciate the medium that he claims to know enough about to critique.
(That's not even getting into RLM's movies).

So, out of the goodness of my heart, I wander the boards educating people about the dangers of ignorance and the closed-mindedness it brings.

>>88748794
And so the Prequelfag reveals himself

They're bad movies
Everyone thinks so

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>>88748850
>And so the Prequelfag reveals himself
If you're just figuring that out now then u'ore pretty stupid, m8.
My fisrt post was transparently pro prequel.

>>88748850
>They're bad movies
>Everyone thinks so
hmm

>>88748794
>he can't appreciate the medium that he claims to know enough about to critique.
can you back that up with empirical evidence?

>>88748902
Yes. Watch his Rogue One and TFA reviews back to back.

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Dave...

>>88748917
those are opinions, ones you don't agree with, those are not facts.

what evidence do you have that he doesn't have a grasp of general knowledge of the medium? please give specific examples.

Meh.

Give it a break people. Better a quiet thread than more RLM shitposting and OT vs. PT wankery.

>>88748946
>please give specific examples.
Watch his Rogue One and TFA reviews back to back.

Here's how this conversation is going to go.
I'm going to keep repeat the above sentence, and you're going to keep pretending it doesn't describe exactly what you're looking for.

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>>88748953
This tbqh famalam.

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>>88748897
People have emotional ties to Star Wars
There will always be people who overvalue how they feel over any sort of critical consideration

They're bad movies.
The dialogue, acting, and plotting are all rubbish.
Even for the so called "Good one" of RotS

I know you've over-invested in the series, so any criticisms will be excuse away as "Well Sheev WANTED it that way and he's a super mega genius who is a God at the Force", but for everyone else.
They're bad.
Really bad

How can you defend a movie that has a line like "From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!"

>>88748425
She would make a great MCU Squirrel Girl. Or Kitty Pryde.

>>88748976
Those are not specific examples. You're just saying you don't like his opinions. These are not facts, that is you saying "not muh"

If you cannot meet the burden of proof there's no reason for me to talk to you.

>>88748850
Anybody have the Pablo Hidalgo tweet where he says about half the population prefers the OT, and half the population prefers the PT, divided based on age groups (older or younger than ~30 or so)?

>>88748997
>They're bad movies.
nah
And you can never prove it, because the films themselves just don't support that hypothesis.

>>88749015
>These are not facts
Yes they are.
The video evidence contains the proof of my claim.

>>88748930
I want R2 to play the message again either in E8 or in E9.

Maybe Kylo is trapped with R2 somewhere and it's one of the things that brings him back.

>>88749042
Then give examples of it, don't make other people prove your claim.

>>88749063
>Then give examples of it
But why?
What's my motivation?

>>88748997
t. favorite character is luke for a cookie cutter reason of muh hero's journey

luke is boring as fuck

>objectively bad
drink a tall glass of acid my man!

I was more excited during those movies than I ever was for the OT. For example, even though it's ridiculed as over the top, I always felt so anxious when anakin went to find his mother than massacred the tuskens. whole sequence was intense Tbh

>>88749052

If it happen, everyone will shit on that scene because it's fan service.

>>88748850
>They're bad movies
>Everyone thinks so
LMAO ok kid

>tfw binging Star War lore youtube videos
Its making me nerd out too much. Making me want to write shitty fan fic and shit.

>>88749071
To prove your point and not sound like a faggot.

>>88749071
look bro, i agree with you but you sound like a massive twelve year old faggot

>>88745723
Admiral Screed, a character who first appeared in droids, is canon again thanks to Aftermath and Tarkin. At most he was a mook tier admiral.

>>88749090
Not so much fan service as a tribute to Leia. Which would be appropriate because R2's dead too.

Maybe a hidden holo recording of classic Leia moments R2 was around for. All in response to Kylo saying shit about his mom.

>>88749101
>>88749104
Whose the more homosexual? The fag, or the fag that follows him?

>>88749116
>Whose
*who's
blame it on the alcohol

>>88746607
Makes sense as Jedi were expected to drive off space pirates from time to time

>>88748997
>"From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!"
What about this is worse than OT dialogue?

>a death mark's not an easy thing to live with
thanks captain obvious

>>88749115
>as a tribute to Leia

So it is fan service.
And really, who cares about the Midget in Artoo? If he would have died during the OT filming, they would have taken another instead, without giving any tribute or somethinjg.

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>>88749157
That's GENERAL Obvious to you.

Also need I remind the prequel hater that Harrison Ford is renowned for having said to George Lucas on his scripts for the Star Wars movies "You can write this shit George, but you can't say it."

>>88749027
Pablo's job is literally, and I mean literally, to shill Star Wars
That's the man's job.
He's never going to say "Oh yeah well people think those ones are shit" He'd get fired.

>>88749028
Are you crazy?
There's so much.

The dialogue is god awful. Full of lines that expressly state what a character is feeling (e.g. everything Anakin says when he's fighting Obi-Wan, or when he's talking to Padme)
The characters act in bizarre ways
Like why did Sheev get captured by the army he controls? Did he plan on crash landing and risking his life like that? What if Anakin died on approach? What if someone else was sent to rescue him?
Why did Anakin protest to Mace killing Sheev when Anakin himself killed Dooku in the same manner? How did Anakin go from "I'm so conflicted about the Dark Side. Could Sheev be right?" to "I will kill all the children personally".
Why did Mace only bring 3 dudes to go bring in the Dark Lord of the Sith?
Why did Yoda know Chewbacca? Was Chewbacca trying to tell Luke about the Jedi the entire first movie?
What did it mean that Padme "lost the will to live"? Doesn't she have twins to take care of now? Doesn't she care about them at all?
Didn't Leia in RotJ say to Luke that she remembered her mother? How is that possible?

They're. Bad. Movies.

>>88749222
And it shows.
The OT has wonky delivery of awkward lines EVERYWHERE.

>trash compactor scene
*cringes*

>>88749244
wew my lad

I'll leave you with this.

>Very beautiful, but... sad.

>>88749157
>>a death mark's not an easy thing to live with
Because we don't know what a "Death Mark" is
So we need to be told that it isn't "easy to live with".

But we already know Anakin is angry about the Jedi.
We don't need to be told what his point of view. For fuck's sake he just killed a bunch of kids.
Yeah, I think we get the point that he doesn't like Jedi anymore

>>88749252
>>88749244
talk about cringe, you write like an autistically screeching tumblrina

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wish I hadn't left my Legacy comics in my room at school desu, really wanted to read them over this break

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>>88749278
>Because we don't know what a "Death Mark" is

How many layers of irony are you on?

>>88749309
Just download them

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>>88749293

>>88746607
I wonder how many examples there are of Yoda's speech patterns fucking up.

>>88749278
Are you legitimately retarded or are you just baiting? I was thinking you were just baiting earlier but not being able to deduce that "Death Mark" means that Han Solo is a wanted man with a price on his head (which is what he had been saying not seconds before in that same movie and complaining about the entirety of the last movie) seems to imply you have a severely stunted grasp of reality in a way that is either indicative of functional autism or dysfunctional down's syndrome.

>>88749278
>Because we don't know what a "Death Mark" is
That's a lot like saying "We don't know what a 'Texas Chainsaw Massacre' is"

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How would you make a canon Star Wars online game work?

>>88749386
I wouldn't.

>>88749349
He usually talks "normally" when hes just palavering about but does the whole backwards subject thing when he's being extremely formal or is putting on a face. It varies at times throughout the prequels, TCW, and Rebels though not to the extent that it does in ESB and ROTJ

>>88749386
Kill everyone who read the EU then don't do it all.

>>88749349
It's pretty inconsistent in the movies too.
https://youtu.be/dVcW11GoBD0?t=2m30s

>>88749410
>don't do it all.
But do some of it?

>>88749386
just make battlefront 3, the real way

>>88749386
I'd take the opportunity to carve my name in the history of Star Wars by helping to define the new canon's old republic era. Its the best time in the history of the story for conflict that wouldn't directly effect the movies. Its all about what they'd let me do and what they wouldn't. One thing I'm certain I'd do is reel in the immense amount of power some of the Sith and Jedi had. They shouldn't be so powerful as if they were gods which I'm learning alot of characters were.

>>88749429
No. Use the money for the game to kill EUfags and call it a day. Maybe have a drink and a cig after.

>>88749099
Link some friend. I need to kill some time.

>>88749422
AOTC is so sexy.
l love the GAR aesthetic.

>>88749432
Wrong kind of online game I think. He means an MMO

>>88749458
I'll have to write it first. But I may end up browsing these threads now. Maybe in the future.

>>88749410
kys

>>88748425
i think it's hot

>>88749461
mah nigga, II and III were top
A E S T H E T I C

>>88749422
>Sir, I have 5 special commando units awaiting your orders sir.
daily reminder that commandos were canon already in 2002

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>>88749556
I really didn't like the interiors on Coruscant
It looked to cheap
Like, look at the "door" they're walking to

>>88749562
But is he talking about ARCs or the guys from Republic Commando?
Were they ARCs too? I forget.

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>>88749252
It does. Watching them after Rogue One and TFA helps it show even more. Even the Yoda puppet, as beloved as it is, hasn't aged well in regards to animation and manipulation. It's become obvious that it's a puppet, in or out of context. The Episode I puppet cements this even further.

Though it's hard to care.

>>88749461
>>88749556
though I may like the OT more in general, there's something so fetching about Phase II clones and the fantastic aesthetic dynamic between Venators, Acclamators, Arquitens, and Consulars against Munificents, Providences, Recusants, and Lucrehulks, its perfectly World War II tier with the uniform down to earth industrial aesthetics of American GIs and Shermans and P38s against angular fascist futurism of stahlhelms, Tiger tanks, and Fw 190s.

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Begun, the Prequel Wars have.

>>88749605
>Rogue One and TFA
Are very "preffesional" movies, but as someone who hated TFA and enjoyed R1, think the fact of the matter is that Lucas was my X-Factor.

I enjoyed R1 like I enjoy Iron Man.
I enjoyed Lucas's films the way I enjoy 2001 mixed with a dash of John Carter.

>>88749593
think you posted the wrong webm pal
>>88749604
ARCs were different IIRC

>>88749625
You are nearly twenty years late for that one.

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watch out, comfiest star wars vidya coming through

>>88749604
EU he was referring to RCs, not sure if they changed that.

>>88749593
>>88749654
He meant to post the one where the exit of Palp's office is a matte, ignoring that the very next shot is from inside that space.

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>>88749664
Is that this?
Because I agree.
Tied into the books and comics of the time, too.

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>>88749654
>>88749671
Uh yeah, sorry.

>>88749666
RCs are canon, thanks to that one episode of TCW (witches of the mist I believe) where they show up. It's boss, sev, fixer and scorch

>>88749696
That's the one. Dat arena mode

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The reason to describe the plot in only the hedgiest and dodgiest of terms isn’t so much to avoid spoilers as to avoid giving away the only thing the movie’s got. I wouldn’t have wanted to know the great twists of “Psycho” before seeing it for the first time, but, even after having once seen it and knowing all of the script’s tricks, the pleasure of watching it again (and again and again) is nonetheless undiminished, and possibly even enriched. The hearty sentiment and the breathlessly clever plotting of “The Force Awakens” are delights, but narrowly limited delights. There’s pleasure within measure, but no uninhibited joy or terror, no ecstasy, no unmanaged passion. The secrets of the movie are the secrets of its plot; the mysteries are purely narrative, not at all visual, symbolic, metaphorical, or experiential. Nothing of the true force of the cinema.

>>88749593
I did upload this one on accident, but look at Anakin's head

For some reason they morphed two shots together.
Maybe Christensen smirked or something

>>88749651
Yeah, same. Star Wars, at least pre-buyout, always tended to go against the grain of whatever passed for "professional" filmmaking at the time and regardless of your idea of quality entertainment, got more out of me than most anything else.

>>88749734
I never really noticed how much the prequels resemble kabuki until recently

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>>88749734
For the millionth time, if shitty matte paintings bug you, pick a different movie franchise.

>>88749759
Hellfire Tank OP

>>88749735
Don't forget Gregor too.


Hey, /swco/, I've been bored lately and have been playing around with an outline/concept of an updated Old Republic setting. Once I like where it is at can I post it here or is that not a thing?

>>88749664
Multiplayer was goat. Still play it from time to time with my relatives, always going one v three and just managing to pull out wins against their hordes.

>>88749776
There's a huge difference between using a matte painting for something impossible to recreate and using a matter painting for a hallway where the characters will be in in the next scene

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>>88749764
>Maybe Christensen smirked or something
That's because Sheev just told him about the true secret technique of Sith power.

>>88749764
Damn, that's well done. If i'm looking at his face I don't notice it at all.

>>88749775
Jorge is a low key Weeaboo.

>>88749800
It's a visual representation of Anakin falling to the Dark Side

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>>88749791
Have some more. I have even more, available on request.

>>88749790
>using the AT-ST infinite shield cheat
good times

>>88749221
Are you the salty prequel hater? Because I'm starting to get a feel for you in these threads.

>>88749775
That seems to have been what he may have been going for. A lot of the composition in shots do more to resemble traditional theater staging than conventional cinema. Costume design, too.

Prequels were and are still the highest bar for costume design, imo.

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>>88749605

I just realized people here not only like the prequels, but some genuinely dislike the OT. What the fuck?

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>mfw I thought Yaddle was a joke name for what I thought was a terrible Yoda puppet in Episode 1 but recently learned was really a completely different character, but who's design was originally intended to be of a young Yoda

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>>88749851
>A lot of the composition in shots do more to resemble traditional theater staging than conventional cinema.
I noticed this a while back.

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Is there not going to be a mid-season trailer?

>>88749625
>MFW people still argue about Prequels being good or bad
Jesus christ who the hell cares
The worst part is how boring these arguments are

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>>88749884

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>>88749884
>but some genuinely dislike the OT.
You tried this last thread and it didn't work there either.
I don't need to tell you the definition of insanity, do I?

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>>88749884
>but some genuinely dislike the OT.
never visit /tv/

>>88749884
That isn't true in the slightest.

The vast, VAST majority here like all 6 of Lucas's movies, and Rogue One.

TFA is the only Star Wars movie that is generally unfavorable here.

>>88749935
That's a good rule to go by in general.

>>88749840
The first scene with Han and Lando talking is fine and so is the Endor landing.
The only one janky is with Lando on his own

It's still pretty weird that George uses a matte painting instead of, I don't know, extending the set 10 more feet, or cutting the shot early so you don't need so fill in the gap

>>88749884
that's right. you are alone. go away. you don't belong here.

>>88749940
>people hate TFA more than the prequels
What world am I living on?

>>88749921
I didn't, but you actually sound mildly insane and paranoid.

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>>88749839
Anakin stood no chance. He was up against a Sith Memester and Troll Lord, after all.

>>88749965
This one. Step out of your bubble. Casual.

>>88749956
Make me faggot.

>>88749965
The warped hivemind of an autistic gathering of tasteless retards.

>>88749965
A world with common sense.

>>88749965
Reality. Lucas made each movie with a purpose that contributed to the franchise, that wasn't to just fellate ANH endlessly.

Now drop this shit. People have opinions.

I you don't believe in Ring Theory then you don't deserve to post in this thread

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>The reason to describe the plot in only the hedgiest and dodgiest of terms isn’t so much to avoid spoilers as to avoid giving away the only thing the movie’s got. I wouldn’t have wanted to know the great twists of “Psycho” before seeing it for the first time, but, even after having once seen it and knowing all of the script’s tricks, the pleasure of watching it again (and again and again) is nonetheless undiminished, and possibly even enriched. The hearty sentiment and the breathlessly clever plotting of “The Force Awakens” are delights, but narrowly limited delights. There’s pleasure within measure, but no uninhibited joy or terror, no ecstasy, no unmanaged passion. The secrets of the movie are the secrets of its plot; the mysteries are purely narrative, not at all visual, symbolic, metaphorical, or experiential. Nothing of the true force of the cinema.

>Nothing of the true force of the cinema.

>>88749904
Yup. Then Padme literally walks in from stage left, only to start heading back the same way. I think they were definitely meant to be viewed more as stage plays than movies. The dialogue, composition, placing, everything implies it.

>>88750001
I "believe" in it.

Not so much that the theory itself is how Lucas planned out the movies, but that he did put an incredible amount of effort into the storytelling, and visual storytelling, contrary to the RLM bullshit that he winged it with no care or effort.

>>88750001
The prequels being top tier films has nothing to do with that very confirmation bias filled Theory.

Yes, i'm aware that your post is bait.

>>88749996
Lucas made each movie to make fucking money
That's why he said shit like "Jar Jar was the key to all this"
Because of merchandising,

The PT and the new movies have the same sin. The desire for money
The difference is that George acted on what he thought would make cash and Disney acted on what a giant focus group thought would make cash.

>>88750030
>bullshit that he winged it
I mean... He kinda did
He hammered out each script in like a week

I mean fuck, he made the AotC script a clusterfuck because his fat finger pressed an F instead of a D and he thought "Hehe, this is better"

>type out a whole long thing of how Yoda speaks, give examples and break downs.
>realize there's no point in it.

>>88750034
This.
The fact that the originals relied so much on Shakespear and the prequels looked so much like kabuki really says more about Lucas' lack of actual talent in the medium. He just got lucky with his genre choice and the amount of effort he put into it.

>>88750034
No design in Star Wars has ever, EVER been made with merch in mind.

Dead serious.

Lucas himself has said that toys will made and sell no matter what designs they end up going with, so he has never had to worry about the marketability of stuff.

The idea that Lucas made the movies to sell toys is one of the most ignorant and naive misconceptions spread on the internet.

>>88750034
edgy
George has been an artist since his student film days.
Jar Jar was the key because he was the first digital main character that is supposed to interact with live actors for the whole movie.

who here is actually autistic

desu this is the least autistic general on the 'chan and yet it's ridiculed as a very autistic one. Have those people even BEEN to /vg/ or /int/??

>>88750065
>EVER been made with merch in mind.
E W O K S
W
O
K
S

>>88750062
>really says more about Lucas' lack of actual talent in the medium.

You haven't seen American Graffiti or THX 1138.

>RLM shit
>anti-PT crap
>TFA contrarianism
>The Ring Theory bullcrap

Drowning in the rivers of shit here. Do half the people here even like Star Wars, period?

>>88750094
THX gets more credit than it deserves and making a teenage angst movie isn't really that hard.

>>88750052
>He hammered out each script in like a week
Changing the script till the last minute=/=starting it at the last minute.
But you knew that.
Also, he had a co-writer for AOTC.

>>88750090
Nope, the original concept was Wookiees, but they had trouble making that work.

Unless you're going to tell me that having more Wookiees was to sell toys too.

>>88750060
do. or do not.

>>88750094
There's a big difference between things you do as a young artist trying to prove yourself and a bloated millionaire who has done nothing for decades

Art needs adversity in order to be good.

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>>88750034
Nice headcanon nerd

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>>88750107
I l-like it. It's a fun universe.

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>>88750126
oh boy
You're part of the subset of people that just minimizes achievements to fit your distorted world view.
Wish I could help.

>>88750132
>Art needs adversity in order to be good.
Source?

>>88750107
Mention orange buttcheeks and people will line up.

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Did someone say orange?

>>88750151
sshhhh.....he needs this to justify his continued existence!

>>88746436
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Bane#Establishing_the_Rule_of_Two

> The Jedi learned of Bane's new philosophy and, while defeating Bane himself, falsely believed that they had destroyed the Sith forever. However, Bane's plans continued through his apprentice.

>>88750107
For me all the movies are about the same in quality, with some slightly better than others.
There's really no need to get so bent out of shape for any of them. None of these movies are worth it.

>>88750190
buttcheeks?

>>88750128
>starting it at the last minute.
But he did start it at the last minute...
Have you seen the behind the scenes stuff?

The Prequels were really slapped together

Do they feel like tight stories to you?

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>>88748425

>>88750190
c-can we have Sabine's buttcheeks as well?

>>88750224
>Have you seen the behind the scenes stuff?
Have you?
Because you're not convincing me here.

>>88750224
>Have you seen the behind the scenes stuff?
I've seen dozens of hours of it

>The Prequels were really slapped together
No, they weren't, at all, in the slightest

>>88750248
>No, they weren't, at all, in the slightest
How can you say that when there's so many flabby plot point sticking out unresolved and unfinished?

Like what was the relationship between the Trade Federation and Palpatine?
What were the details of this "Prophecy of the Chosen One"? What did it say? Who made it? Why should we believe it?

Who really ordered the Clone Army? Where was Sifo-Dyas? Why did Jango hire an assassin to assassinate someone when he himself assassinates the assassin he hired to assassinate? If he was covering his tracks, why use something that can be traced back to him?

These are not tight scripts.

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>>88750245
Sadly I don't have any Sabine pictures.

You'd think "Jailbait Boba" would be really popular, but the entire community just kinda ignored her.

I blame her cookie cutter personality. Filoni is usually great at fleshing out characters and making them not feel cookie cutter, but Sabine is certainly the laziest character they've ever had in his shows.

They just shrugged and said "yeah she has this backstory where she is smart and strong so sometimes you'll see her beat up stormtroopers, or make something explode" and have struggled to develop her further since then.

>>88750293
>If he was covering his tracks, why use something that can be traced back to him?
You CANNOT be this stupid.
I don't believe it.

>>88750296
Maybe she's just a boring person

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>>88750296
>>88750245
Got your back, anon. Sexiest thing in my arsenal. Grab it now before the mods find out.

>>88750293
>Like what was the relationship between the Trade Federation and Palpatine?
Palpatine was the puppet master. Gunray knew he was working for the Sith, and was convinced that following Sheev's orders would lead to a Seperatist victory in the war. Manipulation, force induced or otherwise, was clearly a factor.

>What were the details of this "Prophecy of the Chosen One"? What did it say? Who made it? Why should we believe it?
We don't know, and you have no reason to believe it. The Jedi believed it, but look where they ended up.

You can choose whether ot not to believe it, based on the fact that Anakin does in fact eventually redeem himself, and was able to become a Force Ghost.

In the Prequels, its left ambiguous, intentionally.

>Who really ordered the Clone Army?
Dooku and Sifo

>Where was Sifo-Dyas?
It's left a mystery in the movies, expanded on in TCW. (Don't give me any "it should have been in the movie" shit, TCW is canon and came directly from Lucas, and Star Wars is a franchise told like a serial, it should be expected that mysteries could be brought up and resolved in the future. Like Maz and her "story for another time" shit with Luke's lightsaber, which is much more frustrating IMO)

>Why did Jango hire an assassin to assassinate someone when he himself assassinates the assassin he hired to assassinate?
Padmé was a high profile target, Jango wanted his track clean. He was being payed a fortune, so why wouldn't he spend money on a shapeshifter to get the job done for him?

>If he was covering his tracks, why use something that can be traced back to him?
You really think he knew he could have been traced? Of course he didn't.

>>88749807
Low key?

ANH is just a Kurosawa movie in space and the word Jedi just comes from Jidai Geki, the Japanese name for movies in the Samurai genre.

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>>88748425

>>88750317
You better believe it sister, he's been this stupid the past several threads he's been baiting in. Just when I thought this board and these threads couldn't get any worse a dedicated trashposter /tv/ crossposter newfag from reddit or tumblr showed up a few threads ago spewing the most horrendously shit opinions without end.

>>88750381
>>If he was covering his tracks, why use something that can be traced back to him?
>You really think he knew he could have been traced? Of course he didn't.

BZZZTT

The real answer is that Jango used a traceable dart on purpose because it kick started the clone wars.
Obviously told to do it by Dooku.

>>88750293
>Like what was the relationship between the Trade Federation and Palpatine?
You mean the whole plot of The Phantom Menace?

>>88750442
I was under the assumption that it was a happy mistake for Dooku, that he and Sheev never intended for the Jedi to find shit out so soon, but they ran with it.

>>88750381
>Gunray knew he was working for the Sith
Why?
He was all about the cash.
And the Separatists didn't exist yet in TPM

The Prophecy is too important to be left up to the audience to judge. It defines all the Jedi's behaviours. It's just poor storytelling to have everyone running around dong things you don't understand.
All it needed was Obi-Wan going "Master, what's this Prophecy?" and then it'd be cleared up. Now we'd understand what was at stake and why.

I'm going to give you that shit about Sifo-Dyas.
A movie should stand on its own.
You can personally like how the movies are part of a vast web of connected material, but that's your opinion. I'm judging the movie by itself on its own merits.

As for Jango, why didn't he use just a blaster instead of a unique dart?
Even if he thought that the Jedi would never recognize it, it's pretty stupid to take that risk
And having a stupid antagonist isn't that compelling

>>88750296
The problem with Sabine is that they started with a cookie cutter and are trying to make that interesting, rather than making an interesting character and then disguising them as a cookie cutter.

>>88750442
Then why did Jango hire another assassin to kill Padme?
Why not kill Padme with the dart and go with that?

Like, if the assassin escaped, wouldn't that mean Dooku's plans were foiled?

>>88750296
I agree, Sabine had a lot of potential beyond "gurl power" but she doesn't even maintain that, she's a totally squandered non-character who could be killed off without affecting anything or anybody.

They've had numerous episodes dedicated to development for her that could have saved her but every time they just fall flat for her character while doing a great job at fleshing out the rest of the world around her. There is either an inability or unwillingness to make her genuinely worthwhile across the 6 or 7 episodes she's had to herself and the rest she's been a major part of.

If we're lucky and the creators have any sense, they'll hook her up with Ezra and/or have her unite Mandalore or something, anything to make her interesting later in the season that we were supposed to be getting the season before, and the season before that. This whole darksaber thing set up at the end of the midseason finale bodes well, but given the history so far, they'll probably wind up wasting her again. It's a true shame.

>>88750442
>>88750473
It had to have been a happy mistake

Obi-wan was lucky he knew Dexter, because not even the jedi temple lab robots could identify the origin of the dart

>>88750517
I just realized another EU continuity error: in my favorite game, Star Wars Bounty Hunter (ps2 and gamecube) Jango Fett uses kaminoan saberdarts...well after Kamino's location had been erased from the archives and well before he had ever been brought to Kamino by Darth Tyranus (dooku)

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post your helmet

http://www.rogue-one.co.uk/helmets/

>>88750107
I like parts of the old EU and some of the movies. It's the universe I find most fun and interesting.

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>Starts out as a nuanced character who may or may not have some biases against clones
>Has his own way of doing things different than other Jedi we've seen
>First three episodes set him up very well and he even starts to gain respect for Rex
>Last episode turns him into a big racist saturday morning seperatist who is also a dark jedi

Disappointing. Zygerrian Arc was really cool though. Excited to watch more today.

>>88750069
Why make a key out of puke and cow diarrhea though?

>>88750442
This probably isn't a good discussion to stop into, it's already pretty angry, but...

>The real answer is that Jango used a traceable dart on purpose because it kick started the clone wars.
>Obviously told to do it by Dooku.

I don't know about that. It worked out in the end for Dooku and Sidious, and I don't doubt they engineered the discovery - Sidious assigned Obi-Wan and Anakin to watch over the queen, after all - but the cooperation of Jango to the depth you're suggesting doesn't, I think, hold up. Did he really expect the bomb to fail? Or Zam? If he knew truly expected the dart to be traced back to him he'd have been planned and prepared to move out much sooner. Wouldn't have left his armor out in the open in the next room or had to tell Boba to pack his bags.

It helps to remember that the dart wasn't identified by the technician droids. It was traced because Obi-Wan happens to know a dude who runs a 50s style diner who also happens to know all the obscure weapons of the galaxy...apparently. Without Dex this would have been impossible. Was Dex part of Sidious' conspiracy?

>>88749309
>tfw u took advantage of that "every SW Dark Horse digital copy" sale they did on i think new years 2014

ah well, i had money to waste and it's convenient to have quick access to a library like that

also i finally read Legacy 2 recently, pretty good

>>88750486
>It defines all the Jedi's behaviours.
wut
not at all

>>88750296
How could they fix Sabine?

>>88750596
>gets proved wrong
>moves the goalposts

really makes you think

>>88750296
>>88750486
didn't like her at the start but I've been warming up to her since S2.

And I kinda get the feeling they're doing something with her and Ezra and I am happily going to go on that ship and sail it.

>>88750486
>Why?
He wants cash

>He was all about the cash.He was all about the cash.
Exactly? What, did you think Sheev told him "oh by the way, we're only using you to gain power, we're gonna kill you after" or something? Gunray knows what he wants, and he knows that he'll be filthy rich, no matter the state of the Galaxy after the war.

>And the Separatists didn't exist yet in TPM
Correct. In TPM, Sheev was getting Gunray to invade Naboo to create a crisis he could use to gain political power in the Senate. Sheev is not only manipulating th Trade Federation and their droid army, but also working his way up the ranks politically. Best way to rule people is to trick them into thinking they need you.

>The Prophecy is too important to be left up to the audience to judge
I disagree. Like I said, the end of Return of the Jedi gives you the answer to whether or not the prophecy was true.

>It defines all the Jedi's behaviours.
Correct. One of the biggest misconceptions about the Prequels is that the Jedi were supposed to be considered right in their mentality and actions, when in actuality they were deeply flawed and pushed themselves towards their own downfall. Yoda realizes this, but far too late.

They STILL haven't told us what that prophecy was. I don't think the EU ever did. Perhaps there is a reason for that, I don't know.

>A movie should stand on its own.
Not a series like Star Wars. Is Rogue One a bad movie, just because it ends with the plans reaching the Tantive IV, and ending on a cliffhanger? A serialized franchise like Star Wars will usually contain the story and answers you seek in some movie or cartoon somewhere. As far as the movie "standing on its own" is concerned, all that matters if if the movie was entertaining in the story it told.

Leaving stuff open for future entries is perfectly fine IMO. If you absolutely can't accept the movie like that, and have to judge it entirely on its own, then you shouldn't be surprised when it seems unfinished.

>>88750595
so if sabers' colors come from force aligntment of an individual, how the fuck Krell has lue and green at the same time?

>>88750595
I sort of agree, but i think they did a good job with having his fall be a catalyst for stuff in later seasons (i thought he got name-dropped like twice in the Netflix season as a reason the council was witch hunting dark jedi and why Clone/Jedi relations were souring)

>>88750506
>Then why did Jango hire another assassin to kill Padme?
That would make the bait too obvious.

>Like, if the assassin escaped, wouldn't that mean Dooku's plans were foiled?
No, because then he could have just done it himself, at the risk of the Jedi not falling for it.

>>88750625
the same person has been doing this for entire threads for the past week at least

>>88750635
they've teased that ship since 2014 but haven't made so much as a single direct overture in that direction, let alone any real move, and Ezra has all but forgotten about her existence except for the time he got worried when she was at Skystrike Academy recruiting Wedge

face it, Ezra is getting blueballed forever

>>88750606
It kinda does
Why does Qui Gon make a big deal of taking Anakin?
The Prophecy
Why do the Jedi clash with Qui Gon over Anakin?
The Prophecy

Also, if the Prophecy didn't exist, then Anakin would never have been taken from Tatooine, and then he would be on Naboo during the communications black out, and then he wouldn't have been able to destroy the control ship, thus saving the day

Mechanically, it's a big part of the plot that we never understand

>>88750558
Not necessarily an error

the thing about video game canon was that although the story itself is continuity canon, the gameplay mechanics themselves don't have to be. Either that, or he was using some other similar darts. Probably just a gameplay thing though.

>>88750595
M8, the signs were there from the beginning that Krell wasn't exactly all that good. He sent troops on a suicide mission.

Not my fault if you ignored them. Your disappointment is on your own ignorance of the character's actions.

>>88750648
Saber colors only change when the crystal is attuned. Not just willy-nilly when a person's force alignment changes.

>>88750661
>That would make the bait too obvious.
How?
Her ship was already blown up and a decoy was killed

If she was killed in bed by a dart, would everyone think "Hol up. I think this isn't a real assassination but actually bait"

Anakin would still be motivated to find the killer

>>88750595
I was somewhat disappointed by the Dark Jedi reveal too. But I was hoping they would use this reveal to establish distrust between the Clones and Republic officers and the Jedi. It would explain why so many were willing to carry out Order 66. The brain implant plot was introduced later, though.

>>88750473
>>88750517
>>88750601
Again, if it were easy it would raise too much suspicion.
If Dooku didn't erase the archive info, it would be too obvious that they want the Jedi to find the clones.

By making the Jedi really work for it, it makes the clone army seem less sketchy.

>>88750648
They don't normally swap colors. Ahsoka had to "purify" the ones she obtained.

Apparently Kyber crystals don't like being used by Dark Siders and shoved into their lightsabers, so they have to "break" their spirit and corrupt them, creating the red color. Ahsoka "healed" the ones she obtained from Sixth Bro.

Once they're actually installed in a lightsaber they really have no say in the matter and can no more rebel against a Sith then they could stop non-Force Users like Grievous from using them, sometimes to kill the Jedi with their own blade, with the very kyber that called to them as a youngling.

>>88750090
>>88750130
It was more like George felt Wookies had been established as pretty tech-savvy through Chewbacca when his idea behind the battle in those scripts was the whole "Primitives beat the crap out of the technologically advanced invaders" thing.

So he just made short and cute versions and flopped the name around and voila, Ewoks.

Also, Luke teaching his friends what his experience with Yoda taught him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJTsQEoIcvA

does anyone have TFA director's audio only, plox

>>88750675
I dunno, two awkward "hugs" in the past 2-3 episodes seems like a step in the right direction.

Plus that duel they had with her possessed by the Nightsister.

Help. My shipping glasses are on. Fuck. Help me.

>>88750678
>that we never understand
what's to understand???
Their is a prophesy of one who will bring balance to the force. Qui-Gon, the unorthodox Jedi, believes it.
The council doesn't.

>>88750697
see
>>88750717

>>88750648
It's not because of alignment, it just happens when bonding with the crystal

https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/788452351363342336

>@cephalopodas: can I ask what the canon in-universe reason for different colored lightsabers is? I've seen so many different explanations lol

>Pablo: nothing beyond the color emerges when the gatherer first bonds with the crystal.

>>88750595
Sucks too, since he's pretty hot.

>>88750748
*there
jfc time for bed for me

>>88750486
>And having a stupid antagonist isn't that compelling
shame about kylo ren

>>88750728
Dude I don't blame you, I've been wanting that ship to sail for a long time considering how OBVIOUS it is, but it just doesn't seem like it's getting out of drydock. With luck Filoni and co. will write it in when the season continues, but chances are it's not going anywhere.we still haven't see Kanan and Hera bump uglies, I know this is a cartoon but come on give us some fucking action

>>88750706
O66 had to have been something like the brain implant thingy. Simultaneous galaxy-wide event down to the T - too open if it was free will.

>>88750692
his fighting style is built around using two glaives tho, so it would make sense for him to construct both at the same time

>>88750723
So when the Death Star (s) exploded...does that mean there are angry angry kyber crystals floating around space? Maybe orbiting Endor and Yavin?

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>>88750506
>Then why did Jango hire another assassin to kill Padme?
>Why not kill Padme with the dart and go with that?

He probably counted on Zam fucking up enough to get the involvement of the Jedi. He probably could've gotten Padme dead pretty quick, and thus her murder investigation would be under local authorities. You really think Tan Divo would've traced the dart to Kamino?

He needed to draw out the Jedi. Deliberate botched assassination attempts would've probably drawn suspicion from the Jedi. Jango needed an amateur who thought she was actually killing a senator. Use that, get a Jedi in the open and then he has an excuse to throw the clue practically right in front of the Jedi's faces.

>>88750808
>He needed to draw out the Jedi. Deliberate botched assassination attempts would've probably drawn suspicion from the Jedi. Jango needed an amateur who thought she was actually killing a senator. Use that, get a Jedi in the open and then he has an excuse to throw the clue practically right in front of the Jedi's faces.
Exactly what i've been saying.
I don't understand why this is too hard for people.

>>88750783
I wonder if they've ever done it while Chopper watches.

>>88750808
>and thus her murder investigation would be under local authorities
How would her murder be under the local authorities by her attempted murder would be a Jedi matter?

Why would the murder of a senator be local problem but the murder of a local be a Jedi problem?

George wanted Jango to look cool.
That's why it went like it did.
There was a cool chase and then Jango one ups them.
That's why.

>>88750785
Yeah, you're right. I was wondering how they would explain that one. I thought Palpatine might orchestrate events designed to shake public faith in the Jedi. Maybe secretly spread theories among the military about Jedi orchestrating the conflict to take power. Which wouldn't have been too unbelievable, given that Dooku was a Jedi and so was Sifo-Dyas. But that would still have made the success of Order 66 too uncertain. If even a few clones are unconvinced, then it's all ogre for Palpy.

>>88750717
For what it is with I never said it was easy, nor did I question it was their plan. After all it worked out beautifully for Dooku. He even managed to use the invasion as an excuse for Poggle to turn over the Death Star plans to him so he could deliver them to Sidious. I wonder how Poggle felt about that later on when he ended up working on the weapon for the Republic, but it is clear he didn't blame Dooku.

All I'm questioning is Jango's direct involvement in the way suggested. Jango was just another catspaw, he wasn't a co-conspirator. Keep in mind that their plans are so complex, and rely on so many variables, that the Sith often do not have concrete plans as such but are constantly adapting. TCWs has several of Sidious' failures, which we sometimes see him turn to his advantage. The captured Force babies, the Zillobeast, even his early capture on Naboo that was thwarted by Obi-Wan and Anakin. Not to mention their reaction to Fives and Sifo-Dyas, their fear Yoda was on to something when he showed up on Moraband of all worlds. Even Anakin's defeat at Mustafar wasn't planned but worked out in the end for Poppa Palpy, at least up to that certain point in ROTJ.

If it wasn't the saber dart it would have been something else, and the erasure of Kamino was a suspiciously sloppy job given the "gravity shadow" made it clear the planet was still there. While that scene with the younglings does make Obi-Wan look like a nitwit, frankly I always saw his coming to Yoda as more his concern that someone tampered with the archives at all.

>>88750848
>if even a few clones are unconvinced
But a few clones weren't convinced, and the order was still successful.

>>88750107
I'm just here for the (you)s.

I take a screenshot and send it to my friends to show off. "Nerds" will never learn to stop sucking muh dick

>>88750846
>George wanted Jango to look cool.
>That's why it went like it did.
>There was a cool chase and then Jango one ups them.
>That's why.
nope
All you do when you reduce like this is just prove that you don't care about the truth and are here to push an agenda.

>>88749841
>the salty prequel hater?

Nope sorry mate, i love those movies too.

>>88750692
>Not my fault if you ignored them. Your disappointment is on your own ignorance of the character's actions.

There were also hints he was a very effective general. Stop acting so defensive because of my opinion.

>>88750760
Makes you wonder about Ahsoka's blades. Was their new white color a product of her changed personal "alignment" since the war or a mere product of her purification technique and thus nothing to do with herself?

I know the real world answer is Dave wanted something fairly unique (we'd only seen blades like that so rarely before) and also an indicator that she was no longer a Jedi even if she hasn't forsaken all she'd learned.

>>88750622
With the D.

Sheev says that Mace coming to arrest him for Inappropriate use of the Force was actually the Jedi's attempt to take over the Republic
The people don't know this so they go along with it.
When Anakin is fighting Obi-Wan, he tells Obi-wan that the Jedi were trying to take over
But Anakin was there when Mace and Sheev were fighting. He'd know that Sheev's bullshit about why the Jedi attacked was a lie.

So why does Anakin believe that the Jedi were trying to take over when he was there during their "attempt" and knows that it was really over trying to stop Sheev "It was me, Jedi! I was always me!" Palpatine

>>88750846
>How would her murder be under the local authorities

Because it happened on Corsucant.

> by her attempted murder would be a Jedi matter?
Obi-wan and Anakin's presence was (as by direction of the council and Palpatine) to protect her, not investigate. Obi-wan very clearly states this.

>Why would the murder of a senator be local problem but the murder of a local be a Jedi problem?
What local was murdered?

>>88750867
>suspiciously sloppy job given the "gravity shadow" made it clear the planet was still there.
What the fuck is wrong with you.
If Dooku erased every body that was effected by Kamino's gravity then it would be even more obvious just at a causal glance.

Again, the intent was never to hide Kamino.
Just put on a good show.

>>88750888
>(you's)
not canon

>>88750931
People have said that you need to specifically bond with it for the color to change.

And there doesn't seem to be any actual reason to ever bother doing that.

>>88750622
Make Satine come back to life, then have them do lesbian things.

>>88750648
>so if sabers' colors come from force aligntment of an individual


I have always wondered. Is this stupid thing a request by Lucas Art, or something that E.K Johnston created by herself?

>>88750801
Kybers ARE very hard to destroy but not impossible. I don't know if when they explode they explode completely or if they leave fragments.

Similar note, I wonder, if stars indeed have kybers at their heart, what this meant for Starkiller Base. Did it leave the kyber "hearts" behind? Or was the energy it consuming actually a means of draining the Force from the kybers inside?

>>88750951
>What local was murdered?
Zam

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>>88750945
I swear these are so low effort they're not real questions.

>twisted, by the dark side, Skywalker has become. The boy you trained, gone he is- consumed by Darth Vader.

He's obviously drunk on the dark side by the time he chokes Padme.

NEXT

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What the FUCK was his problem?

As much as these discussions are on the same old topics, it's so much better than the bickering from earlier in the thread. Proves that we can still be civil when opinions differ.

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>>88750989
>Zam was a Coruscant local
epic headcanon

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>>88750867
>even his early capture on Naboo that was thwarted by Obi-Wan and Anakin.

That wasn't so much a failure. That entire conspiracy was meant for Anakin, just like the battle of Corsucant and the shit that went down on Ryloth years later.

>>88750997
So he doesn't remember Mace's confrontation with Sheev?
Is that what you're saying?
And that's why he believes the Imperial propaganda?

>>88750958
Once they are in use in a lightsaber no, I imagine not, except of course to purify ones the Sith have corrupted. I wonder if the purification is because they then wouldn't want to work in any new sabers she built or just the general bad Sith juju.

It definitely takes more than Dark Side acts to corrupt a crystal or else all that youngling blood would have washed away that blue color from Anakin/Luke's saber.

>>88750923
>There were also hints he was a very effective general
When? We only ever see him devise ineffective and wasteful strategies.

>Stop acting so defensive
Stop projecting

>>88750931
Maybe they lost color over time. How long was it between TCW and Rebels? 20 years? Maybe lightsaber colors fade when used by people with a changed alignment or something - re-imprinting or something?