I knew CBR was far gone, but not THIS far gone. Yikes!

>>88644804
Kek how delusional can those faggots be?

Still pissed that Captain Marvel artist could be arsed to change the reflections in the eyes from where they lazily copied and rotated one.

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So 2012 was to comic books what 2007 was to video games?

>>88644804
They're right if you remove the 'golden' from the title.

>>88645178
Nah. I'd be sooner to blame it on the first Civil War. Which started in '06.

What happened in 1986?

Maybe they just got more attention (especially by the kind of people who look stuff up on the internet instead of actually reading them) due to the release of the Avengers movie? I don't think anything else of note really happened since 2012.

>>88645460
Watchmen DKR 1st DC reboot

>>88645486
Carol became Captain Marvel in late 2011 so that Kamala could become Ms. Marvel in 2012. Then we got loads of progressive bullshit following.

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>the Mayans said the world will end in 2012
>they were right

>>88644804

>end of 2016
>talking about 2012

Why? Even as clickbait this fails so much

Stop shilling for them. No one important takes them seriously.

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Okay, I fixed it.

>>88645486
When KSD's Captain Marvel came out she was the only woman who had a solo comic at Marvel.

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>>88645659
The American Heart Association says that much salt is bad for you

>>88645659
I hate comic progressiveness, but this is a bad edit. Not really convincing at all

>>88644804
What happened to CBR? I used to post there but got banned for disliking a SJW change in a comic.

I know you guys hate SJWs or whatever but I think they have a point with the bit about creator owned comics. This is mostly word of mouth but the only people in my age group (20s) seem interested in is creator owned stuff.

>>88644804
They're not wrong though. You just don't realize it because you didn't start reading comics until 2012 yourself.

>>88644804

https://archive.is/uNrJp

Here is the article.

>>88647100

>article cites carol corps and bitch planet

Ah, yes, the year when MARKETING told you something was good but it actually wasn't.

>>88645659
The Walking Dead is responsible, not Saga.
TWD exploded in 2011/2012, even overtaking DC as #1 bookstore publisher in the latter year, and it basically helped kill Vertigo and usher an era where creator owned takes an even bigger piece of the pie.

BKV doesn't even want Saga to be adapted ever.

>>88647054
Yeah

Anyway OP's image is pretty correct
>synergy is now prevalent before and after movie/show comes out
>trade sales are higher than ever, especially for creator owned
>there's more than just 1-2 token female/black/whatever writers
>big two tried with New 52 and Marvel Now to renumber/reboot to try to appeal to non comic readers
Calling it "golden" is debatable but no doubt 2011/2012 did start a new era of stuff

>>88647178
>and it basically helped kill Vertigo

That didn't kill Vertigo. The change in creator contracts during the 00's did, combined with DC deciding to fold back in DC characters who'd been under the Vertigo banner for a while (Constantine, Swamp Thing).

>>88647282
>helped kill
People realizing they could make more money elsewhere helps while having full rights
Now only exclusives who are ok with not writing elsewhere and new writers who would flop even worse elsewhere are the only ones they can get

>>88647100
Last ditch effort to get "most ironic comment of the year", huh?

>>88644804
The shitters really didn't do any reading up, did they?

If anything, House of M was the jumping off point for the tripe we see now. "Boom" this isn't.

>>88647390
Also, the talent just isn't there anymore. During Vertigo's golden days it had incredible creators working for them. In the last 5 or so years I haven seen that many creator owned series that were truly god tier.

>>88644804
I went and checked CBR. The only really good articles there now are the ones that had been running on that Comics Should Be Good blog. They should really just ditch CBR soon.

I also find it funny that one of those articles I liked, G. Kendall's retrospective on Wizard, actually finally got to the point where Wizard had a really notable downturn. Coincidentally, CBR's took a notable downturn this year.

>>88647563
Read "The Mission" if you have low blood pressure. It'll be sure to raise it.

>>88645746
So, was that before the "progressive" crap with the female Black Panther and Ghost Rider?

>>88647623
Link, pls. My Google is broken.

>modern Carol
>>>>>>>"""golden age"""

lmao

>>88647733
http://www.cbr.com/tag/the-mission/

>>88645586
Kamala was 2014

>>88647623
I read some of them. Some articles like the argument for making Iron Fist Asian are ludicious but it didn't raise my blood pressure. The Cooke tribute was a nice article.

>>88644804
I see a lot of feminists talking about how this is their golden age of comics on twitter, the sales argue with those claims

>>88648386
The problem is that since Disney bought Marvel, the higher-ups don't give two shits about sales. Only the movies and merchandise- which allows SJWriters to do whatever they want.

>>88644804
If by "golden age", you mean "the age when I finally woke up, realized cape comics are garbage, and switched to reading indie comics", then yeah.

>>88648427
>which allows SJWriters to do whatever they want.
Even promoting pedophilia by pairing Gwen up with Miles. God, what a glorious age of enlightenment we live in.

>>88648386
Trade sales do

>>88648427
My question is what will the comics do if they lose all their fans and when the merch money stops coming in from Disney?

>>88648459
Are the trade sales better?
From what I understand the trades aren't selling that great either

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>>88648429
>woke

>>88648479
Squirrel Girl did so good in trade it got a standalone OGN

>>88645613
We're all in hell and everything is on fire.

>>88648560
>Squirrel Girl did so good in trade it got a standalone OGN
That bothers me, but if it's what people want to buy then they can buy it. I for one have not supported a Marvel book in months

>>88647673
>female Black Panther
Dark Reign
>and Ghost Rider
Fear Itself.
Both happened earlier. Also,
>>88645746
>When KSD's Captain Marvel came out she was the only woman who had a solo comic at Marvel.
Yeah, after they shitcanned X-23 four months earlier.

>>88647178
>BKV doesn't even want Saga to be adapted ever.
Not that anyone ever would. With that much sci-fi/fantasy shit that's going on there, the budget would hit Jungle Book 2016 levels easy, and no-one is gonna risk that much for a book that's not even that well known outside of geekdom.

>>88647178
Yeah, it's just kind of a shitty era.

>>88648429
>muh indie books are rlly good guize!!!! meme
Most indie books are utter trash.

>>88645613
True.

>>88649043
>implying most dc/marvel comics aren't shit too
nigga you far to selective in your cynacism

>>88645766
for real.

>>88648723
It'll happen eventually. Don't kid yourself.
>>88649043
Not really.

>>88649043
60% indie comics are shit
90% corporate comics are shit

>>88649043
Yeah, unlike the brilliant masterpieces we get from DC (REBOOTS REBOOTS REBOOTS) and Marvel (EVENTS EVENTS EVENTS.) So unpredictable and clever. Oh man, maybe next year they'll retell Superman's origin for the 37th time.

>>88649164
I never said they weren't. But the fact of the matter is, indie trash is mostly just as shitty as "corporate" books, yet get fellated because "NOT MUH DC TEE HEE"

>>88649242
Yes really.

>>88649304
>REBOOTS REBOOTS REBOOTS
Casual, casual, supercasual.

>>88645178
But Halo 3 was good

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>>88649288
>100% indie comics are shit
>98% corporate comics are shit

Fixed it for you

>>88644804
the delusion inthe comment section...

>>88644804
Well, Golden Age of comics sucked so they're right.
>inb4 pulpfags
Pulp was only good in novels, comics were shit. Deal with it.

>>88649507
Well """"meme'd,"""" """""contrarian"""""!

>>88649437
>100% indie comics are shit
>100% corporate comics besides DC are shit
Fixed that for you.

>>88649686
>implying the majority of Rebirth isn't shit

>>88649585
>not liking Golden Age ""comics"" is "contrarian"
Go on and tell me how great WW2 propaganda or shitty pulp stories were.

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>>88649864
you've clearly done your homework.

>>88649864
>"""""contrarian""""" tries to prove he's not """""contrarian""""" by being more """""contrarian"""""
what did you mean by this?

>>88649997
Are you trying to prove me right?
>Plastic Man-fags
>not cancer
Pick one.
>>88650034
>Golden Age fag is assblasted

>>88650225
>""""unironically""" use the words fags, cancer, "pick one" and "assblasted"

You sure do a """good""' job pretending you're not """""contrarian""""", """""contrarian""""".

>>88648457
How old are they?

>>88650399
Spider-Gwen's writer said that she's 19.

No one knows for sure what Miles' age is but it's assumed he's still high school age.

Ironically, people were bashing Frank Cho's Spider-Gwen cover and claiming Cho was sexualizing a minor.

>>88650438
That's not so bad.

>Big 2
>Oh look we have women writers

>Indies
>Here is a comic that mentions penises and vaginas that won 30 eisner awards for some reason.

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>>88645162

>noticing details about the reflection of a character's eye

>>88645586
She didn't. 2012 is correct.

>>88650368
>he's still assblasted

>>88650534
Can we agree that women should never be allowed to be writers, artists or do anything that requires even the tiny bit of actual intelligence?

>>88650637

No

>>>/r9k/
>>>/v/

>>88648655
Yeah, I almost asked about the X-23 book (with Lady Sinister!) and female Bullseye.

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>>88650637

>>88647166
That's literally what marketing is.

>>88650637


you are the cancer.

>>88650802
Women are, judging by how awful their books are.
>>88650713
>2016
>still using old memes
>>>/9fag/

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>>88644804
I don't think they saved comics

>>88645832
progressiveness is the good part, it at least interesting when robot has cocks on his screen or whatever but the simplistic family drama that is taking forever to unfold is not interesting. kid The will died for is not doing anything interesting and while its mildly amusing to watch characters trying to find secrets of life in a book by a degenerate, it has its limits

>>88650965
I dunno man sales are pretty high compared to 2010 and 2011, creators can leave the big two after a while, and there's a lot of tv shows and movies about big two and non-big two comics

>>88651027
>but the simplistic family drama that is taking forever to unfold is not interesting.

The problem is that Alana and Marko are sourrounded by people that are infinitely more interesting than them. An exiled robot prince with PSTD, a mercenary that used to date a spider lady and is considered amongst the best, a high level bureaucrat that got demoted and adopts her ex's kid... all those are better than "Romeo and Juliet, but with shitty personalities."

>>88651027
Progressiveness for its own sake is pointlessly hedonistic. Its the problem i have with most gay characters. Love or hate kidnighter the fact that he was gay or had entire pages where he was fucking a dude added to the character without making it the only focus. However, he's been the only person to get that kind of treatment every other gay character is safe, boring, and one note. Which brings down gay characters as a fucking whole and minority chqracters as well. It' just setting the trend to checkmark a list of sanitized one dimensional characters who bog the story down.

>>88650637
What about men that used to be women?

>>88649845
Fuck off shill. Rebirth is one of the single biggest breaths of fresh air the industry has ever seen. They're combining top tier talent with best-in-class editors and the end result is high selling, low cost, genre-defining masterpieces for everyone from casual to hardcore, upper class to lower class, far-right to centrist, and everyone in between.

If every comic publisher was even a quarter as good as DC Rebirth has been, then the comics industry would start to rival its contemporary media sin profitability and popularity. Basically, Marvel and all these Literally Whos like "image" and "IDW" are dragging everyone else down while DC is the only one doing anything to keep the industry a float.

Remember that the next time you think to open your shill mouth and try to imply that Rebirth is anything less than a revelatory experience.

Seriously, when will being a Marvel shill become a bannable offense? All they do is shitpost up and down the board with their blatant bait. I'm fucking sick of the fact that anytime anyone remotely criticizes Marvel, the shills start pouring in to go "b-b-but DC" and spew nothing short of blatant libel. It's like they WANT the comics industry to fail.

>>88651064
Izombie is only none big 2 comic I know that has a show and they changed everything. The fact that archie is getting a show and there will be an emoji movie just shows they are latching on to anything. The CW is known for trying to milk everything and keeping shows alive long after they should die.
>sales
you don't think that is a boost from MCU or more people are of that age? given some of the retarded events we have seen over the years I don't think its the big 2 writing.

>>88651243
Lucifer also got a tv shit

>>88645098
Very. They live in a bubble.

It's hilarious how they try to justify the falling sales, mainly because they keep trying to shove there ideology down the readers throat

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>>88651227
They to should be kept away. We do know that men are better at everything, event at being women but it does not work the other way around.

>>88651297
>falling sales
But they're going up, what is this meme that comic sales are down?

>>88651229
>Rebirth is one of the single biggest breaths of fresh air the industry has ever seen.
how brainwashed do you have to be to eat up this shit? Rebirth is a fix for the problem that they themselves made and as always it involved shorthand writing made out of butchered versions of older stories

>>88651272
Lucifer the tv show has nothing in common with the comic other than having a character named mazikin. you may as well be watching Dominion or any other show with Lucifer in it or any other buddy cop drama where a character has magic powers that help them solve crime for example forever (2014). Im guessing that is why you said "tv shit"

>>88651315
Overall sales maybe going up due to more comics than in previous years but most progressive comics have been tanking. Feminists don't buy products talored to them.

>>88651331
>>88651229
>>88649845
>>88649686
Samefag marveldrone detected. Hope you're having fun.

>>88651401
Lucifer and izombie aren't anything like their comics but they're still good shows.

>>88651461
No. Get better taste.

>>88651243
>Izombie is only none big 2 comic I know that has a show
There is also TWD and Outcast.
Lucifer and Preacher if we count vertigo.
And there are various of upcoming TV Series based on no big two comic, like Scalped and Harrow Count.

>>88651461
>Lucifer
its not a good show but im enjoying it mostly because of Tom Ellis, db woodside, Lesley-Ann Brandt and Rachael Harris.
>izombie
is a good show. it has a niche and its filing it well. regardless all of this is besides the point, the questions was
>are a few shows "based on" non-big two comics connected to a supposed increase in sales and can we thank the new 2012 writing methods when the works shows are named after predate these methods and even if they did not the shows have nothing to do with those comics
>

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>>88649369
>Halo was good

>>88646722
I used to go there all the time but there was just too many queers and that 7 years ago. hate to see what it looks like now

>>88651315
Because Marvel is doing a good job of obscuring its actual sales figures right now with "free" issues and loot-crate nonsense.

What golden age are they talking about? When it comes to Marvel and DC, they're controlled by incredibly shortsighted individuals. When their books aren't being used as political soapboxes the content is dictated by what was in a movie. And let's not forget about the annual event cycle they love so much.

The article fails to realize that the majority of people still don't care about actual comic books. A good film/television adaption may spark interest but they don't bring in new fans.

It's hard to argue with it's point about Image's rise. Lightening struck twice for them with TWD and Saga. But I hate to give the publisher too much credit since most of what they release dies after the creative team gets a gig at Marvel and DC.

>>88644804

2012 probably was the start of a new comic age but I probably wouldn't call it gold. Maybe new Bronze?

>>88651948
It should be called the Pyrite age.

>>88651948
we already had a bronze age
I think we've reached the 'feet of clay' part of comic history

>>88651948
The Garb-age.

>>88644804
Everything after 2009 has been a death spiral for the big 2

>>88651948
Modern Age. Whatever the "current" age is is the Modern Age.

In hindsight, it'll probably be the Digital Age.

>>88652696
Sounds good

>>88652696
The Garb-Age Ape?

>>88648429
so that's when you came to /co/? lol newfag

>>88650613
Sure thing """""contrarian"""""

>>88650544
Artist, autism. Same difference I guess.

>>88650637
>Can we agree that women should never be allowed to be writers,
Nah, I fucking love FMA.

>>88649369
not the point, halo 3 made more money than any movie did day 1 that was a first time for a game, then cod4 broke the record again right after halo, then gta 4 after that

Well, I agree about Fraction's run on Hawkeye.

While CBR is more than likely incorrect in what they believe to be the point of origin for the "Current Comics Boom", there is a precedent that has been built up over the past several decades in that every twenty years or so results in a new Age/Era of comics. I haven't updated the following charts in a little over a year, but they're what I've found as helpful splitting points in discussions.

This one is DC-centric:
>The Golden Age (New Fun Comics #1 - Showcase #4)
>The Silver Age (Showcase #4 - Green Lantern #76)
>The Bronze Age (Green Lantern #76 - Saga of the Swamp Thing #20)
>The Dark Age (Saga of the Swamp Thing #20 - Kingdom Come #1)
>The Modern Age (Kingdom Come #1 - Today)

And here's Marvel:
>The Golden Age (Marvel Comics #1 - Fantastic Four #1)
>The Silver Age (Fantastic Four #1 - The Amazing Spider-Man #121)
>The Bronze Age (The Amazing Spider-Man #121 - [circa 1980s?])
>The Dark Age ([1980s?] - [1990s?])
>The Modern Age ([1990s?] - Today)

>>88658178
>>The Silver Age (Fantastic Four #1 - The Amazing Spider-Man #121)
>>The Bronze Age (The Amazing Spider-Man #121 - [circa 1980s?])

Change ASM #121 to Conan #1; Conan #1's usually cited as an early Bronze Age comic.

>>88658061
It says that Fraction's Hawkeye paved the way for Vision, which is totally not true. I doubt King used Hawkeye as a template or inspiration.

Hawkeye and Saga alone are enough to have a strong basis for the argument of 2012 as a turning point. (also Avengers movie)

/co/ thinks it's horrible because part of it is appealing out beyond the usual comic fanbase

>>88657874
It's shit, though.
>>88651227
>>88651300
This is degeneracy and they all should be gassed.

>>88651715
>izombie
>is a good show.
I hate this meme.