/swco/ - Star Wars Comics & Cartoons

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What is she, /swco/?

>>88385428
Okay OP... I'll trust you

karen traviss > dave filoni

stay mad plebs

>>88385470
Fuck you, Vaz.

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Does this bit in the opening crawl of ANH describe the events of Rogue One?

Rebels Recon Girl, Qt or not?

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>tfw no grievous gf

>>88385213

My issue wasn't really Anakin having a high midicholorian count being indicative of him being "the Chosen One", as that's effectively the same as Anakin being merely "strong with the force" or somewhat unusual in some respect. In terms of plot dynamics the two merely serve the same purpose: communicating to the audience that Anakin is a big deal and justifying it with diegetic/in-universe elements.

I rewatched Qui-Gon's explanation from TPM and in his interpretation (which I believe the film asserts as "right" or at least the standard understanding of midicholorians) he calls them the prerequisite for life as well as indicators of a connection with the Force. My basic issue with this is that while their presence does not change how the Force works instead it comes off as a little silly and a bit unnecessary, meaning that there was really no need to go into detail about the Force and biology.

That raises another question, however, mainly by what standard are we critiquing Star Wars? As science-fiction/fantasy, a hybrid genre, the line between "silly" and "serious" is often blurred. Ewoks are silly, Wookies are not, both are furry aliens. Ultimately this may end up being more due to a personal reaction, since midicholorians don't end up being particularly relevant in-universe itself.

That also opens up a whole 'nother can of worms: we don't know if the absence of midicholorians or their lack of importance in the PT is due to fan/creator backlash against their inclusion in the first place.

>>88385494
Who?

>>88385487
I would imagine.

>>88385487
Yes

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>>88385470

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New rough draft is in. Thoughts? Ideas? I'm thinking the design and layout is going to need some revamping

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>>88385506
You mean Grievous bf, surely?

>>88385494
Andi?

Yeah

>>88385515
Girl from OP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DdvEeemqPI

>>88385470
I miss her anti-Jedi, Clones did nothing wrong and deserve to be loved stance that she had.

>>88385494
Andi for QT.

Andi a cute.

A CUTE.

But I don't know what to think of the character based off of her.

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>>88385527
Just noticed I fucked up Cliegg Lars again

>>88385494
QT

>>88385527
wtf padme has a sister?

Vader has a sister in law?

Luke has a blood aunt?

>>88385428
I feel like this is just going to tempt to people to shitpost more.

>>88385546
Not a fan of the nose piercing.

>>88385568
You'll get it someday.

>>88385527
It's weird to think that Luke and Leia have blood cousins. I feel like Lucasfilm completely forgot about them.

>>88385586
They aren't on the Skywalker side so nobody cares

>>88385601
This.

If anything, they MIGHT get exposure in a novel or comic book

>>88385578
You mean "discuss" more.

But I believe in dudebro Vos

Even if he ruined Ventress

>>88385586
I would kind of be up for Leia figuring out she has relatives on Naboo, Luke might just not care. That is if they survived the Empire and didn't all decide to move to Alderaan.

There are huge Rogue One spoilers out on Reddit now

>>88385624
>retchid hive of scum and etc etc.

>>88385615
>Luke might just not care
Luke is a caring person. He would love to meet his family if he knew he had one.

>>88385615
Why would they go to Alderaan?

>>88385624
Whelp, time to abandon thread

>>88385559
Clones are loved and in fact did do nothing wrong
Mando iron is stupid as shit though

>>88385640
>retchid

Install spell-check

>>88385586
The only "canon" source that confirms Padmes relationship to the Naberries is Star Wars: Card Trader.
Then again, the Databank calls her Padme Naberrie and Bloodlines calls her Padmé Amidala Naberrie.

Lol Krennic's death is amazing if antaresdaha posts are real. Perfect follow up to catalyst

>>88385575
Deleted scenes of Attack of the Clones where Padme takes Anakin to meet her parents.

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>>88385644
You know, for those sick Alderaan cloud beasts.

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>>88385719
Spoilers leave

>>88385644
I hear Alderaan is quite beautiful this time of year.

The most beautiful thing you've ever seen.

>>88385687
I think the AOTC deleted scenes with them are still canon. If nothing else, they're seen in the funeral procession in ROTS.

>>88385757
nope

>>88385747
Don't you wanna have FUN?!!

>>88385757
I think I would base canonicity off of that scene rather than a deleted scene. We technically don't know if they're related, but given the intent of the deleted scene and their presence in a canon scene we may make an educated guess that they still are.

A S K P A B L O

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>>88385540

>>88385782
They're obviously Lucas' intention so it's extremely likely that the Story Group considers her cousins canon. This is on par with the Delegation of the 2,000 which technically doesn't appear in ROTS but is obviously canon since Lucas intended it to show the seeds that led to the Rebellion.

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>>88385827
Hell yeah.

>>88385827
># hot hot
>#hot bot
>#bot bod

>>88385837
I wouldn't go that far. It might be canon, we don't know. We only know what it was intended to be. Basing something's canonicity on a deleted scene is risky business.

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>>88385439
Rig Nema

>>88385509
I don't know if I agree with that, mostly because new canon has clearly pointed out that everything has midi-chlorians all the time as without them there isn't just no life at all in the wider sense, as in midi-chlorians helped create it, but you need them to live. Everyone has the Force within them, so everyone has midi-chlorians. As everyone living has the Force they can even use it, even Han, but subconsciously. Just because they have midi-chlorians doesn't mean you can consciously hear them or knowingly use the Force within yourself. Having more of them or less of them does not alter things. Force Sensitivity is key to using the Force.

It is, nevertheless, true that Force Users have far more Force energies within them but thus far nothing I am aware of indicates that this is achieved by simply having more midi-chlorians. If you could remove all midi-chlorians from a person they would die, but if you somehow increase them they don't necessarily become stronger.

Savage Opress would be the interesting case to study. We saw him being given a massive dose of Living Force energies (or what appears to be them) but we have no indication that this in any way added to his midi-chlorian count.

>>88385428
this is autism.
cut it out.

and fuck filoni

>>88385922
>and fuck filoni
Oh but I have

>>88385873
>We only know what it was intended to be.
The story group considers all of Lucas' intentions (unless they contradict canon) to be canon.

>>88385903
>new canon has clearly pointed out that everything has midi-chlorians all the time as without them there isn't just no life at all in the wider sense, as in midi-chlorians helped create it, but you need them to live.

That's pretty much what I was saying, midicholorians as a prerequisite for life aren't the cause of life. They're necessary components for life to exist, they're not sufficient for the creation of life.

In Savage's case, since he was the product of a Nightsister ritual (and they don't seem too terribly worried about midicholorians), I suppose his additional Force capability would be the ongoing effect of whatever it was Talzin did to him. That raises an interesting question if she is extending some part of her own existence or power into him, much like how she was able to hang around as a pseudo-physical force-ghost long after her body's physical disappearance, or if she's just using voodoo to metaphysically increase Savage's innate connection to the Force (ignoring whatever biological component might or might not exist).

>>88386025
In general, Nightsister magic raises a shitload of questions. Mace and Dooku have implied that it's heavily based on illusions but it's hard to take their word for it, especially when a lot of what they do has clear physical effects.

>>88386054
>It is magic, bitches, I do not have to explain shit

>>88386054
I have a headcanon theory that "illusion" is the Story Group's byword for concepts similar to "maya" in Hindu myth/religion, insofar as the real world is held to be maya or composed of 'maya' and ultimately illusionary. So the Nightsisters are able to effectively manipulate the physical world via distortions, the nature of the illusion is not that the image isn't real, but rather that the material they are manipulating is superseded by the underlying principles of the Force.

If this is similar to how it works in canon, then the key to undoing the illusion would be to realize how the Nightsister is working her art on reality rather than understanding that one's senses are deceiving one's self.

Not sure at all if this is how the story group actually understands Nightsister magic or if they are actually just basic illusions that manipulate a person's perceptive faculties.

>>88385644
"Its a long way to Alderaan"

>>88386054
It's clear the Nightsisters use the Force, at most they use an "aspect" of it not used by the Jedi or Sith (according to the latest Recon). To top that off we have Dark Disciple that goes into greater depths on how they acquire their powers, in this case by cutting part of a giant sea creature whose body is chock full of tasty Force energies which they have learned to extract before it can dissipate (become one with the Cosmic Force).

From what we've seen the Nightsisters may not actually draw on the Force from their own bodies as Jedi and Sith do, rather they utilize Force energies from other sources to perform their magicks. Be it energies from a fish monster, stolen from Force Sensitives like the Dagoyan Masters, or even vampirically drained while Talzin possessed Dooku's body. They are incredibly powerful but require a extremely powerful power sources to provide them these energies. Presumably they'd still require some degree of Force Sensitivity in order to tap into and direct these energies, but since they can create Force Users this wouldn't necessarily be a prerequisite anymore. Once they learn to create them in ancient times they can make any Nightsister able to use the power and don't rely on people being born into it. They still can, of course, but it is no longer necessary as long as any of them remain who can use the power.

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>Working titles for this episode included "Dark Blade of Dathomir" and "The Boy Who Cried Maul."

Ha! I wish they'd kept that last one even though I can see why they changed it.

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>>88385827
I cam get behind that

>>88386284
theres has reason there referred to as "witches".

It seemed more like they use the force like a tool in your hands rather then draw of it from within.

they take it and shape it rather then create it.

>>88386143
>ET EES MAJEEK

>>88386362
>Poor Little Sith Lord 5:
>The Boy Who Called Maul

IT'S PERFECT.

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>>88386422
What, as in Ezra booty calls up Maul?

Also in the phallic imagery in the rock formations behind them Maul is clearly larger than Ezra. Robowang is very much canon.

>>88386399
I don't mind the witch part personally given we have had other names for Force Users that aren't Jedi or Sith. The Dagoyan Masters merely rely on passive use of the Force for visions rather than using it for powers as the Jedi and Sith do.

>>88386498
I bet you anything Agent Kallus was assigned to author the debriefing reports on the Inquisitor's deaths. That meant he had to go through their personal belongings, and that meant he had to read and classify Seventh Sister's slash fanfiction about Maul teaching Ezra "the ways of the Dark Side".

>"Why's it called slash-fiction, Kanan?"
>"Because there's a lot of downward thrusts, Ezra, don't read it."

>>88386582
>Seventh Sister's slash fanfiction about Maul teaching Ezra "the ways of the Dark Side".
Good thing he has not yet discovered her self insert fanfiction, where she does horribly lewd, unspeakable things to Ezra.

Here's a little hint - someones butt is getting pounded and it's not hers.

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Is it safe to jump from The Thrawn Trilogy to the NJO?

My goal here is to get to post OT stuff published after the PT was released as soon as possible. So post 1999.

so wait:

did maul know anakin before he became darth vader? or did he know ahsoka before malachor?

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>>88386143

>>88386963
He knows Ahsoka. They fought during the last days of the Clone War on Mandalore.

>>88386963
>did maul know anakin before he became darth vader?
How is this relevant?

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>>88386963
I don't think he ever met Anakin prior to his becoming Vader, but he definitely met Ahsoka. She was leading the Siege of Mandalore and fought him face to face.

>>88386963
Anakin was watching from the ship when Qui-gon and Maul fought for the first time leaving Tatooine

>>88386924

I wouldn't. You should really read the Young/Junior Jedi Knights, X-Wing and Wraith Squadron, I Jedi, and the first few books after.

The NJO has a large cast, and unless you only want to read like five chapters of each book, and skip some entirely, to follow the OT cast you will be missing a lot of great stuff.

It's all worth reading, even the bad stuff, if only to appreciate the better. Don't rush. Pace yourself and enjoy it. At the time I didn't like the NJO because of how different it felt from other SW fare, but these days I look back on it fondly. Everything after it is the beginning of authors self destructing the setting because they couldn't let go of Luke, Leia and Han and pass the torch.

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>>88387061
>Ahsoka pulls off his pants with the Force revealing his robot legs
Geez, Poor Little Sith Lord truly is canon.

>>88387107
>Everything after it is the beginning of authors self destructing the setting because they couldn't let go of Luke, Leia and Han and pass the torch.
Why does 4chan have such a hate boner for Legacy of The Force. Lots of other people seem to like it.

>>88387206
Someone pissed off those 8 Jedi and Sith so badly that they're all teaming up against them

What in the hell did that person do

>>88387308
>Hondo and the No Good Rotten Terrible Very Bad Profit

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>>88387308
Told them that their waifus are shit, of course

>>88387321
And this time they won't let him pull the "you can't hate me, I'm a loveable scamp!" card.

Or so they say but they can't stay mad at Hondo

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>>88387225

...news to me, I had no idea my opinion was widely shared here.

As to why; they killed off 80% of the next generation, including both Solo boys, gave Ben Skywalker an antagonistic/rough relationship with Luke, took the guys wife, destroyed and rebuilt the New Republic several times, dabbled heavily in the stupid 'Grey Jedi' shit that was stupid when a bird-Sith taught it and is fucking stupid now Bendu, and basically made the OT trios lives hell from the NJO onwards.

Losing Chewie was acceptable, in the same way losing Han was in TFA. Losing a certain someone important was unexpected and tooks years of me not wanting to bother with the fandom to get over, but now in hindsight was a brave choice. The NJO I can enjoy for what it is. But fucking Swarm War Trilogy onwards was utter shit. I mean, fucking Daala as Chancellor? Really? The Legacy comics are the only thing after the NJO I can respect or like.

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>>88387508
>stupid ass next generation, especially the force kiddies
>Ben "wah Jacen wah" Skywalker
>MARA 'Sue" JAAAADDDDEEEE
>Lame ass Republic
>stupid 'black and white Jedi/Sith morality' shit.
>stupid ass torture bird
>Fuck leia, Fuck luke, han is cool
That motherfucka became one with the force fuck you and the gungan dick you rode in on.

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This ended abruptly as fuck.
Maybe it's becuase I knew one of the big deaths going in, but this trilogy was kind of overrated.

The first book was great, but the other two were more hit or miss.

Or maybe my first time reading a non stand alone EU story gave me fatigue.

Still 1000000x better than TFA of course.

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>>88387941

I-I'm sorry anon, whatever I said, whatever triggered that post, I didn't mean it. We can help you. Honest. Here, have a qt.

>>88387508
Who's the robot skeleton?

>>88388089
Homer Simpson, sir.

One of your Skeletrons from Sector 7-G

>>88388089
skeletor

>>88388089

You know, it's been like fifteen years, so I honestly don't recall. That said, it's likely a YVH Droid, or Vong Hunter-Killer, designed to counter the alien menace. Because when an alien invasion of borg-kliingon fuckers with torture boners invade your galaxy, even the Droid building corporations will lend a hand... everntually.

NJO was fucking awesome really. Jedi regularly got beaten half to death and near-mortally wounded in duels, versus dark-eldar-tyranids with snake-whips that could become solid-sharp-ended staffs that could bite. It was metal as hell.

>>88388165
yep

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/YVH-Series_battle_droid

>>88388015
>but this trilogy was kind of overrated.
I think part of the problem is that it's built this almost legendary reputation as being one of the best book series in the entire franchise, which is naturally going to make it feel like a letdown. I had the same problem, I bought into the hype and expect the trilogy to be this god-like masterpiece but in the end it was just alright.

>>88388199
>it was just alright.
Exactly.

I had much more fun with books like Dark Lord, Darth Plagueis, Yoda DR, Kenobi, etc...

>>88388165
>>88388186
Neato. They're pretty hot.

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>>88388033
>Twi'lek filth
>qt
Disgusting

>>88388186
>>88388253

Fuck yeah.

>>88388265

Oh, don't be that way. Bend her over the strategic planning table, have a few thrusts, and if she still isn't to your taste we have plenty of other flavors.

>>88388265
Come now, don't you at least find her dress to be artistically done? It can be artistically undone as well, you know...

Is it just me, or did they change the facial animations up in the newest episode of rebels?

Ezra and Sabine's eyes seem a lot bigger and everyone seemed to express more.

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>>88388306
>>88388386
Twi'leks are disgusting.

>>88388467
Wow I didn't think you were racist Thrawn
That's pretty uncool, it's 2BBY man, you need to get with the times

>>88388467
Indeed.

>>88388199
The reason it gets this reputation is because its the series that continued the SW stories and because it is very good. Its very well written, the characters are captured beautifully, the new characters are creative and expansive to the universe

Ill agree that the way many view them is a bit ridiculous, if you've kept up with the SW universe (IMO Legacy and Fate are the best. Legacy being the PT done correctly) you can probably list plenty of series that are better. But i can definitely see why it has that label.

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>>88388467

I'm deeply sorry, Grand Admiral. Does this please you?

>>88388585
>Legacy being the PT done correctly
meme
There's nothing wrong with the PT.

>>88388608
Lose the breasts.

>>88388627
Except for virtually everything. But whatever thats a laundry list of issues id rather not get into right now.

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>>88388698
>Except for virtually everything.
nah
They're not any worse than the OT.

>>88388728
Right.

>>88388585
>Ill agree that the way many view them is a bit ridiculous
The series as a whole and Thrawn in particular are so overrated that Zahn himself is tired of people building them up to such grand levels.

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>>88388728
Jesus, Maul, stop editing Star Wars. That's Lucas' job. Just look what you already did to this picture of the lovely cubist lady?

>>88388785
>Zahn himself is tired of people building them up to such grand levels.
I would be too.
They're fun reads, but Zahn is not the best EU writer out there.
Luceno, for instance, is better from a technical standpoint.

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>>88388608

>>88388015
>Still 1000000x better than TFA of course.
Oh, so you were just trying to make a b8 post.

>>88388791
cubism is a meme artstyle

Maul has good enough taste to realize this.

>>88388852
Not at all.

>>88388785
>Zahn himself is tired of people building them up to such grand levels.

Where did he say this?
Because he was pretty pissed off when LF erased the old EU and his novels and he has always had an ego when its come to his novels. Which include getting into it with Kevin J Anderson and Tom Veitch

>>88388891
>Because he was pretty pissed off when LF erased the old EU and his novels and he has always had an ego when its come to his novels. Which include getting into it with Kevin J Anderson and Tom Veitch
where2read about all this?

>>88388627
>There's nothing wrong with the PT
Holy shit. Sure, the PT might not be as bad as some make it out to be, but don't act like they're perfect. There are plenty of objective faults with it.

what were all the state policies of the empire organized as? "palpatinism"?

>>88388728
you inspired me to make something

Are there any rebellion characters so far that fought for the Separatists?

I've always thought that would be interesting, seeing as the people rebelling against the government were the bad guys the first time around.

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Daily reminder that Imperifus are best waifus.

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>>88388952
just noticed one of the eyes was a little off. this should look better

Ahsnoka

Ezrus is canon
fight me seventhsisterposter

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>>88388608

To this day I'm still stunned at the effort someone went to making the skintone and mottling match over her entire body. That some fucking dedication to making bunny-girl admiral Snackbar look just right.

>>88388983
>The Council? HA! The Council are my puppets! They may pose and posture, but where do they go for knowledge when they need it the most? The Council controls the Jedi, information controls the Council, and I control the information.

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>>88389021
Why fight when she can just join in an make it a threeway?

I'm sure Kallus wouldn't mind sharing his bottom-boy with a fellow Imperial.

>>88388891
>Which include getting into it with Kevin J Anderson
I don't think anyone liked Anderson

>>88389063
Kallus is rebel property now

>>88388905
Youtube has a video of him at awesome con on a panel and he discusses it. Daily Dot has a solid interview with him.
Im not sure if youve heard of it but the hashtag and fairly well funded attempt, called #GiveUsLegends was started and first funded by him.

K.J.Anderson and Veitch you'd just have to do some searching on.
Anderson had to do with the Jedi Apprentice series and something about it that Zahn didnt like or agree with or something... The guy had a massive ego, i remember an article one time where someone said that he told them he is the only one who should be writing SW books.And his feuds and things he has done really back this mentality up, which is why i'd like to see where he says he is tried of how ppl viewed his trilogy. Because i dont believe it.

The Veitch incident came from George Lucas saying that he felt Dark Empire was his idea of episode 7, not the Thrawn trilogy. Zahn took a massive issue with this. He even makes a bit of fun of the events in Dark Empire in.....i forget which book, but one of the duology books he wrote later.

>>88388949
>There are plenty of objective faults with it.
I mean, the PT is more internally consistent with itself than the OT is.

The OT is a patchwork mess. Good movies, but they don't really flow into each other at all.

The PT has a bit of the "written as you go" feel, but not to the extent of the OT.

The OT has plenty of bad lines/line deliveries.
The OT has plot points that are wonky as fuck.
The OT's visuals have aged too.

I maintain that the OT and PT are both equally uneven endeavours.

>>88388983
saved

>>88389105
Well in fairness to Zahn, Dark Empire is a bit of a mess. It does seem a bit more movie-like, though.

>>88389093
That's what the blue guy wants you to believe.

He is a double agent working for the Empire. His orders are to seduce Ezra.

>>88389105
>Im not sure if youve heard of it but the hashtag and fairly well funded attempt, called #GiveUsLegends was started and first funded by him.
Not sure how you fund a hashtag, but this is the first I've heard of him having any involvement in that.

Plus this: https://www.inverse.com/article/16658-star-wars-author-timothy-zahn-tells-expanded-universe-fans-to-give-up seems to contradict the idea.

>>88389105
>The Veitch incident came from George Lucas saying that he felt Dark Empire was his idea of episode 7, not the Thrawn trilogy.
I did some research a minute ago too.

Excerpt from interview-

>Did you ever speak directly with George Lucas?

I talked to him very briefly once many years ago for about 15 or 20 minutes.

>Had he read your books?

I don’t think he ever read the novels. But my trilogy was adapted into comics, and I’d heard he does read comics. It’s a visual medium. He’s a visual medium guy, movies and such. I can only assume that’s where he picked up the catching the force lightning on a lightsaber blade [in Revenge of the Sith]. Because I’d written that into Dark Force Rising. And I’m sure he pulled it from that, but probably from the Dark Horse adaptation. So I thought it was a cool idea and it would make a cool visual, and by golly it does. I don’t know what he thought about the books in general. They let me publish the novels, and they’re still printing them, and they’re still selling.

>>88389072
Anderson was never a bad writer, not great but mediocre.
His creativity and the characters he created definitely make up for that.
Tales of the Jedi to Redemption is mostly his work and thats easily in the top 10 of greatest SW arcs.

>>88389129
Nah, DR didnt become a mess until Emperors End.
1 and 2 were perfectly fine. 1 was fantastic.
And after the PT, i can definitely see how it actually does seem to be something more along the lines of what GL would have come up wtih. At least the first one, two and three probably not though.

>>88389153

To be fair, Zahn always was a little self important. His books, and his handling of his own characters, made it clear that he felt he deserved the final word on them. And I say that as a fan of Mara, and considering his works pretty much the most consistently good in the old EU.

>>88389105
>Im not sure if youve heard of it but the hashtag and fairly well funded attempt, called #GiveUsLegends was started and first funded by him.
It was not. That was started by a small but vocal group of assblasted EU fans.

>>88389142
It was an attempt at getting LF to give over Legends and allow its continuation. The hashtag was just the advertising vessel.

>>88389133
dark side Ezra is going to seduce Kallus

>>88388852
Lets face it, anything is better than TFA. I'd even go as far to say as the Holiday Special was better than TFA cause even though it used recycled ANH footage it still had a more original story than TFA.

Disney fucking shat on the entire franchise, handed the games license to EA to ensure that we never get a good Star Wars game again. Rebels is the only decent thing going, but that's only because it was a long-time planned project, way before Disney came into the picture, but they closed TCW (because OH SHIT we gotta stay away from the Prequels!) and rushed Rebels in before it was ready, hence why its decent and not as great as TCW.

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Hey, how come there weren't more people with their own droid armies?

And how come there weren't more manufacturers of battle droids? Not your B1s and such, just droids designed to be soldiers and do battle.

>>88389186
>considering his works pretty much the most consistently good in the old EU.
I see your Zahn, and raise you a Luceno.

All of Luceno's EU books that i've read were good to great.
Haven't read his NJO stuff mind you.

does anyone have the image comparing mortis to malachor in rebels?

>>88388979
Since Genndy Wars I was hoping Grievous would stick around for the Rebellion and be its darker side in the initial years.

>>88389276
TCW had to close down because of its Cartoon Network connection, not just because they wanted to stray away from the prequels

>>88389279
>Not your B1s and such, just droids designed to be soldiers and do battle.

>>88387508
>>88388089
>>88388186

Is this the type of stuff you mean?

>>88389183
Oh, definitely. Dark Empire really, really amps up the "dark fantasy in space" vibe. It seems like a natural progression in the aftermath of the OT.

Come to think of it, that's my main gripe with TFA. For all my other problems with it, the thing I like the least is that there's not enough of a fantasy vibe. Even with the Force and the lightsabers, it feels like schlocky sci-fi instead of giving off the fairy tale feel of the OT. It feels like Babylon 5 instead.

>>88389259
As long as he remains the bottom, I'm ok with this.

>>88389239
You're still not addressing why it needed funding at all (exactly what were they spending money on), and how that one link contradicts the idea that Zahn had anything to do with it.

>>88389304
He can be the power bottom

>>88389285

Stover is my favorite. He could do dark and gritty, without going full grimdark. I liked Luceno, but Stover made the ROTS novelization a great book, let alone a great adaptation.

By old EU, I mean before we started getting authors like those two. To be fair to him, the EU would never have taken off to eventually get writers like Stover if not for Zahn. Well, him and the roleplaying stuff, and budding ravenous fanbase that were just getting into reading and going cold turkey after the end of the Marvel comics.

>>88389301
Isn't there kinda more technobabble in TFA with the hyperspace and Starkiller Base bullshit than all of OT+PT combined?

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>>88389301
>Even with the Force and the lightsabers, it feels like schlocky sci-fi instead of giving off the fairy tale feel of the OT.
It's because the PT angerrrred JJ so much that he dialed down anything it featured so low (politics, the jedi) that there ended up being less of those things than even the OT had, making SW just another space movie.

I thought Jews were supposed to be smart. JJ needs a brain transplant. His stopped developing at age 12.

>>88389292
CN had nothing to do with TCW other than airing it. They had no part in its production. According to Filoni, the reason TCW was cancelled was because it was George's project and they didn't feel right continuing it without him, but reading between the lines it's clear that budget was a factor in its cancellation.

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>>88389291
That's a dream of mine. I'm hoping there's fanfiction or something out there with that premise, because I could see some good stories from that.

>>88389307
Zahn needed money for hookers that he dressed up as Mara Jade.

>>88389333
Pablo said viewership was a factor too

https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/797486561499627520

>>88389307
Well they did have that billboard, but that came way later

>>88389321
>Stover
I hate to use this term... but Stover's writing always struck me as kind of "fedora".
It was a little too melodramatic and self serious/unself aware.

It was frustrating because he teetered on the edge.
There are passages in his books that are amazing, but some that make me mini-cringe.

>>88389276
I had no problems with TFA. They attempted to put too much in at once, but had it been 15-20 minutes longer than it would have been nearly perfect.
Its on par with ROTJ.

And LF/Disney has actually done a pretty good job so far. The Novels are good, some great.

The comic books have been very good, with the SW and Vader series really capturing the feel of SW like most comics never did.

EA taking over the games thing is a concern but whatever, who knows how this ends up.

Rebels i lost interest in during the first season, but its become pretty damn good on its own and is now introducing old EU characters and concepts. This was not a project that was planned long before Disney btw.

TCW had maybe ten good episodes throughout the entire series. They came up with some silly idea for force ghosts that makes no sense and did a good job creating silly ideas and well.. thank the force LF/Disney has stepped away from TCW and PT nonsense.

>>88389372
>I had no problems with TFA. They attempted to put too much in at once, but had it been 15-20 minutes longer than it would have been nearly perfect.
>Its on par with ROTJ.
>thank the force LF/Disney has stepped away from TCW and PT nonsense.

Troll or shit taste?
Or both?

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>>88389372
>TCW had maybe ten good episodes throughout the entire series. They came up with some silly idea for force ghosts that makes no sense and did a good job creating silly ideas and well.. thank the force LF/Disney has stepped away from TCW and PT nonsense.

>>88389365
Stover's stuff always felt robotic to me. It felt like a chore getting through it sometimes because there's points where he's doing great and then suddenly he has these moments where the prose becomes inorganic and it feels like he's just listing things off rather than describing anything.

It was worse in Shatterpoint than in ROTS, though Shatterpoint had a bunch of other problems, such as Stover going in such a bizarre direction with Mace's characterization.

>>88389307
What do you mean address funding? Because it costs money to try to get things done in this world?
And what link? Who cares about a link? look it up, he started it.

>>88389407
I've only read his ROTS novelization, and I really don't think it's as good or better than the movie.

It's not BAD, but it's paced very awkwardly in a way that the movie is not.

>>88389422
I did, I didn't find jack shit.

Also I don't think you know what funding actually means. You don't need money to start an online movement, money is needed if they're trying to actually pay for something. Other than the billboard another anon mentioned their movement has never done anything that needed money. So what was Zahn paying for?

As for the link, since you're too lazy to even read replies to your own post: https://www.inverse.com/article/16658-star-wars-author-timothy-zahn-tells-expanded-universe-fans-to-give-up

>>88389431
I think Stover handled a few things better than the movie did, but there's also some stuff where he kind of went off the rails. Basically everyone other than Anakin and Palpatine behaves like a complete idiot in the novelization.

>>88389450
there's also this facebook post he made shortly after the announcement.

https://archive.fo/3OXJQ

>>88389391
Sorry, i was not 8 when that series started so member berries do not work on me with that stupid show. Which is really the only value it has for people, and thats fine. I understand that.

But as far as SW stories go and its quality, its complete trash as a whole.

>>88389467
>Basically everyone other than Anakin and Palpatine behaves like a complete idiot in the novelization.

>inb4 snide comment about how that's still better than the movie
I'm force sensitive. I've seen shitposts far into the future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoJgY4EX-Xg

do you agree with him?

>>88389450
Okay, well think what you want i really dont care. I found it in under 2 seconds on google and sure, i must be confused on what funding means. If that is what you need to tell yourself go for it.

>>88389500
You also just got BTFO by this >>88389471
Nice try, I'll give you a 6/10 because you actually had me going for a bit.

>>88389495
I agree with the person in the comments section who said "It would be great if he started this video, asked the question and then just said "yes", and that was the end of it"

>>88389495
Haven't watched that video, but James isn't exactly well informed or intelligent.
Nice guy, but kinda not too smart...

>>88389510
Why are you in a Star Wars thread?

>>88389512
short version:
RotS is actually good, the other 2 not so much

>>88389021

I like crackships as much as the next guy, but you're delusional, anon.

Thrawn/Kallus is clearly happening

>>88389529
Ezra is a slut, but he's Kallus' slut

>>88389526
Eh, there are worse opinions.

I like James a lot, but he's really only knowledgeable about retro video games.

>>88389519
Why wouldnt i be?
Its not my fault the PT is complete and utter horse shit. But that has nothing to do with the OT, the fantastic novels, comics and games over 30 years.

>>88389495
No. Few people take into account how much the Prequels expanded on the Star Wars Universe. It was practically the main showing that Lucas worked alongside the EU rather than against it as some people think.

The overall story of the Prequels was also good. If it had a good editing team to fix up the script, I think they would be great movies. When I look at them as pieces of Star Wars, I see them as pretty good and far better than TFA. When I look at them as regular movies, they vary from bad to mediocre but still better than TFA.

>>88389485
Well I WOULD argue that if you're going to get only two characters absolutely right in ROTS, it had better be Anakin and Sheev. Everyone else, even Obi-Wan, is ultimately secondary.

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>>88389536
>Ezra is a slut, but he's Seventh Sister's slut
ftfy

>>88389548
Really?
He seems to have a very good understanding of film.

In fact he seems to understand film more than video games (which is not surprising given film is what his education and career is in). I think what you mean to say is you like his video game reviews and videos more because they are entertaining and you agree with them. If he said better things about th ePT, im willing to bet you would not have said that.

>>88389557
>Its not my fault the PT is complete and utter horse shit.
But that's not true though.

The ultimate Star Wars film would be directed by Lucas, produced by Filoni and written by Luceno.

>>88389588
>If he said better things about th ePT,
Why is this always what it comes down to in these threads?

No, the reason I don't think James is all that smart comes from watching him for the last decade.
Passion=/=aptitude.

>>88389606
More like story by Lucas, script by Luceno, Directed by Lucas, and produced by whoever.
Producers don't really do much.

>>88389563
>When I look at them as regular movies, they vary from bad to mediocre
I disagree.
ANH isn't really any more well made than any given PT movie.

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>>88389606
Sounds about right, but...

>Filoni

But that would mean that the ultimate movie would see the waifu die at the end.

>>88389643
ANH is kind of charming in its hokiness and earnestness.

>>88389485

Is it technically shitposting if it's dead on the money?

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Why did Tua bully him?

>>88389686
Because she was secretly in love with him

>>88389670
Definitely, but I honestly don't think that's it's any more well made in any respect than the PT.

It really just feels like another movie in the same line of movies, quality wise, when you go from ROTS to ANH.

>>88389672
>it's dead on the money
It's not though, that's why I could sense it coming.
It's just a tired meme.

It's like an animal call and response reflex for you shitposters.

>>88389563
The problem is the PT did not expand on the universe enough. And yes it did work against the OT and established novels that GL and story group did approve.

The fact of the matter is anything that would have been done would have expanded on the universe. They could have shown three movies of aliens shitting and it would have expanded the universe. The gripe is it did not expand in a creative way that made sense. Instead he simply injected characters from the OT, that should have never been in there. And when he could not do that, he literally made clones of them to put in. This was stupid and lazy and often, made no sense.

The PT failed at connecting stories, locations and planets that could have connected the saga's in meaningful ways. Like say... Alderaan being used as a main location given it blows up in 4 and its supposed to be an important planet in the senate.

There was nothing to suggest he worked along side the EU in the PT, or it would have been very different.

Episode 1 should have not happened at all and quite frankly you cant tell the story of the great jedi Anakin and then his fall, then the hunting down of the jedi, in 3 movies. If you have to do this in 3, you dont start the way they did with 1. You introduce Anakin as a teenager, or 20 year old, a child of war possibly or at least someone who knows devastation around him but is overwhelmingly good.

Yah... the PT FUCKED the entire thing up.
If you want to know how ti should have happened.
Read Jacens story. all of it.
Great jedi, part of the unifying force in ways most jedi will never be, spends a decade at war watching loved ones and friends die nonstop, tortured and imprisoned for years, overcomes it all but becomes untrusting of democracy for reasons of wanting to save lives and still wants the best for others until his methods are simply the wrong way to go.
There you go.
Thats what the PT should have been.

>>88389718
>Yah... the PT FUCKED the entire thing up.
>If you want to know how ti should have happened.
>Read Jacens story. all of it.
NO

The PT is a much better "fall" story than LOTF.

>>88389603
Maybe not to you and its subjective.
But we can objectively show that they are very poorly written, poorly cut, poorly structured, etc.
There is a reason why the OT is used as an example of some of the greatest stories/movies ever made and the PT is used as an example of the worst stories/movies ever made.

If you like the PT, that's fine. We all like some dumb movies that are cheap, poorly made, poorly written, etc. But at least have the dignity to recognize this is the case.

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>>88389705
But why would she bully him then?

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>>88389718
>muh EU
get bent

George has been contradicting the EU since 1980 when he overwrote Splinter of The Mind's eye.

>>88389718
>Great jedi, part of the unifying force in ways most jedi will never be, spends a decade at war watching loved ones and friends die nonstop, tortured and imprisoned for years, overcomes it all but becomes untrusting of democracy for reasons of wanting to save lives and still wants the best for others until his methods are simply the wrong way to go.
>There you go.
>Thats what the PT should have been.
I agree with you there. As much as shitposting there is against Jacen/Caedus and LOTF, I feel like he still maintained the same overall character instead of doing a 180. He didn't even turn because of petty shit like family, but because he genuinely wanted to help the Galaxy as a whole.

>>88389736
>But we can objectively show
Not at all.
At least, not any more than you can show that the OT is.

The OT is a clusterfuck, the definition of "written as you go".

The OT is less internally consistent than the PT.

>editing
ESB has the worst editing of any movie in the series.

>>88389752
>petty shit like family
wew my lad

>>88389731
Yah definitely. I remember all those scenes in legacy with a giant rabbit stepping in shit and pod races and the shit love story that made no sense and everyone being so dumb they cant see the evil seeping out of jacen.

>>88389718
>The problem is the PT did not expand on the universe enough.
Bullshit.


The PT showed us far more of the galaxy than the OT ever did.

>>88389770
>giant rabbit
I'm out. Talking to Plinkettdrones is like hitting your head on a brick wall.

>>88389762
I worded it bad but Star Wars is an advanced fucking futuristic universe. There's no fucking way Padme wouldn't have been fixed.

I mean for fucks sake there was NOTHING stopping Vader from keeping her body preserved and cloning her right after considering the funeral was on Naboo. You get Padme with all of her memories. Why the fuck did Vader bother with the Starkiller clones shit when he could've just cloned Padme and lived happily ever after in Sheevtopia?

>>88389776
He's just a buttblasted EU tard.

>>88389787
Wow man, you're either an idiot or underage.

Also,
>futuristic
shiggy
diggy
doo

>>88389792
Do you have anything to say in retort? I'm against Prequel-bashing, but it's like I'm having a conversation with a butt-blasted /v/irgin if thats all you're going to bring to the table.

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>>88389807
>/v/irgin

>he goes on /v/
>at all

>>88389818
>>he goes on /v/
Fuck no, but there's lots of immigrants from there across all boards.

They have to go back.

>>88389776
It also repeated more of the OT than was reasonable. There was no reason to have all of these OT characters in the movie. And the only reason for Jango was to sell action figures. There is no legitimate reason for him to be in the story other than GL is an idiot, thought it would appeal to SW fans (and it didnt) and children (and it did). Then children who ended up as SW fans, got confused as to why SW was great and then now they get offended and defensive when someone explains to them why the PT is complete shit.
Again, instead of simply recognizing something any normal person recognizes, that something they liked as a child, was stupid.
I think what it is, is they dont know how to process the OT being a considered a masterpiece by everyone. And the PT being considered shit by everyone but them.

>>88389846
>It also repeated more of the OT than was reasonable. There was no reason to have all of these OT characters in the movie.
Congratulations, you just described TFA.

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>>88389846
>And the PT being considered shit by everyone but them.
This is simply not true.
This guy is a fucking father and he loves the PT and thinks the demonization is ridiculous.

I'm 27 and I think the same.
There really, truly is no gap in quality between the two trilogies.

>It also repeated more of the OT than was reasonable
TFA says hi.

>>88389787
There is a very good reason why Padme was not healed... because GL does not understand story but needed that in for some reason.

and psstttt to all you PT fanboys... id once again like to point out that Leia remembered her birth mother.Not her adopted, her birth.
But hey, thats just one of those little nit picks right?

>>88389872
>id once again like to point out that Leia remembered her birth mother.Not her adopted, her birth.
>But hey, thats just one of those little nit picks right?
????

Leia describes the situation from ROTS in ROTJ.

>beautiful, but sad

>>88389872
>id once again like to point out that Leia remembered her birth mother.Not her adopted, her birth.


“Through the force, things you will see, other places, the future, the past, old friends long gone”

>>88389859
Oh well, that random person on youtube... good job, prove dme wrong.
And 27? So okay... member berries, just as i said. You were a child when it came out, love it and because youre a fan but thats what you grew up with, you cant admit or understand why its shit.

And why do you bring up TFA? 1. Yah it mimicked the tones in way it should not have or whatever. Who really cares. After the PT they had to play it safe.
2. The returning of characters in a sequel is expected. NOT in a prequel where those characters are there simply because of a lazy and shit writing.

This is some of the laziest bait I've ever seen.

>>88389880
Yah, lets pretend that she would not know the difference between a single force vision, and remembering her as a child.
We've seen that all the time in SW right? people confusing a single force vision with years of their fucking existence. It happens to me all the time. I often confuse a dream with 6 years of my life.

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>>88389900
your post sucks
South PArk memes, TFA apologism, calling the PT shit, but grammar/signs of low effort etc...

Last (You).

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>>88389909
Yet anons are falling for it.

>>88389920
apologism?
Wanting to cite grammar and low effort on 4chan when talking to ppl who cant even recognize or admit to factual faults in something? ooohhhh noooooo yyyooouuu gootttt mmmeee im melting meeelllttttiiiinnnnggg.

>>88389900
Hey, yeah, okay. I think EU trumps everything about Star Wars, and I do this unironically but the moment you try to defend TFA, I'm gonna have to ditch your side and go with the rest here that this is looking like some grade A bait.

>>88389920
Hey, look at it this way fella.
Its not a coincidence that the people who like the PT, cant admit to its very obvious and factual flaws, and generally dont understand star wars, also think TFA is complete shit. Of course its not a fantastic movie, but on a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being the entire PT, 10 being ESB, its at least a 7.

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When people shitpost about the PT making the universe smaller, why do they conveniently forget that the OT did this in every movie?

First clumsily retconning Vader as Luke's father, then saying that Luke and Leia are Siblings.

I'd argue that that shrunk the universe more than anything the PT did.

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Huh. Vader literally dies for a few moments in RotS.

When the helmet is getting put on, you can hear his heartbeat stop for a few seconds and then start up as he breathes his first breath in the suit

https://youtu.be/LwDe845aDt4?t=1m56s

you have to listen very closely, but you can hear it

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>>88389982
>1 being the entire PT, 10 being ESB
Yikes.
I don't know which is more wrong.

>>88389986
That scene still gives me chills.

>>88389992
It's one of my all-time favorite scenes in Star Wars.

>>88387508

Wedge "I'm getting too old for this" Antilles

>>88389996
trips say he is right
but I raise
>that is no longer my name
>it is the name of your true self, you have only forgotten

>>88389990
See.
PT fanboys dont understand SW. They think its about lightsabre's and flipping around and clone troopers and vader screaming NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>88389996
I also love the fact that it's intercut with Padme's death.
Very artful.
George worked on editing that sequence for a long time.
Originally the two scenes just played one after the other, but as they kept working (him and Ben Burtt) they kept cutting them together more and more.

Maybe you've heard that tidbit, maybe not.

>>88390012
>PT fanboys
No, i'm a Lucas fanboy.
I love all six films.

Get my fannouns right, shitlord.

>>88390014
>George worked on editing that sequence for a long time.
>Originally the two scenes just played one after the other, but as they kept working (him and Ben Burtt) they kept cutting them together more and more.
Huh, that's really cool. Didn't know that. It was certainly a great decision though. Artful indeed.

>>88390021
If you're a lucas fanboy then you're only a fan of 4 of the movies. Empire and Jedi he had almost nothing to do with. And of course we all know 4 ended up being cut by someone else because of his failure, but he should def. get the same level of credit with 4 as he did with 3.

Im guessing you also love that horrific plane movie he was "producer" on? Howard the Duck? Indy 4?

>>88387508
>I mean, fucking Daala as Chancellor? Really?

I still can't fucking believe Daala of all people was the writers first choice. Literally every single faction hates her and her best known feat is having 75% of her fleet destroyed in less than a week(including three full scale Star Destroyers). Even if you couldn't get Paelleon then there's still a wide array of more deserving imperials like Fel or Stelae.

>>88390042
>Empire and Jedi he had almost nothing to do with.
Incorrect. He helped write both of them and was Executive Producer on RotJ.

> And of course we all know 4 ended up being cut by someone else because of his failure
No, the reason that ANH changed editors is because the original editor(John Jympson) was terrible. Lucas replaced him with Paul Hirsch, Richard Chew, and later his wife helped out as well.

>>88388199

I think the biggest problem is people overhype Thrawn as being way more competent than he was in practice. Every single book in the trilogy ended with Thrawn losing at the last second and our heroes getting away to fight another day. But now 20 years later when he does the exact same thing in Rebels it's apparently an outrage.

Hell, NuThrawn isn't even making the same obvious mistakes as the original. Previously Thrawn died because he couldn't tell that the bodyguards he spent all his time shit talking and lying to wanted to kill him. This time around he's actually watching all his subordinates like a hawk.

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Look what we have become

A bunch of shitposters and anons replying to obvious bait. Fallen from the discussions and waifuposting that we once held so dear. /swco/ is failing.

It's only a matter of time.

>>88389186

Oh no for sure. He used Mara as a mouth piece to shit talk Dark Empire as it was coming out and George of all people had to reign him in a bit during his first few books(he wanted final say on the Sith species and got vetoed, for example). For the longest time if you read in chronological order there's this feeling that Zahn thinks he's the final arbiter on the true canon. He's willing to work with other sources like the old WEG stuff to a degree, but it's implicit that his stuff "should" be more important than Splinter or DE or the old Marvel stuff.

>>88390132
Generals are not viable.

>>88390095
Yup and EP do almost nothing in the process of making a movie aside from making sure schedules are budgets are kept.
And when you say "helped write" it was really just him tossing in some ideas. He didnt write either outline, he didnt write the script, he didnt write the story, he didn direct, he didnt do anything in the actual process of making the movies.
Empire is when he decided to step away and let other people do the work. Then for some reason he felt the best way to go with the PT was to do it all himself.. Which proved to be a horrific idea especially after so many great SW authors had discovered.

As for 4, Lucas himself attempted to fix it and failed. It was the efforts of everyone else that fixed it.
See, one of the greatest aspects of 4 was that it was a group effort, it was art from diversity. Creative people with creative ideas coming together. And really that is what made the OT fantastic, but 4 is simply the grass roots version of that.

>>88390042
>Indy 4?
Good movie.
Better than Temple of Doom at least.

>>88390042
>>88390162
>Empire and Jedi he had almost nothing to do with

Why do we have to debunk this so much in this thread?

Lucas wrote complete script drafts of both Empire and Jedi, and came up with the plots for both.

>Brackett finished her first draft in early 1978; Lucas has said he was disappointed with it, but before he could discuss it with her, she died of cancer.[21] With no writer available, Lucas had to write his next draft himself. It was this draft in which Lucas first made use of the "Episode" numbering for the films; Empire Strikes Back was listed as Episode II.[22] As Michael Kaminski argues in The Secret History of Star Wars, the disappointment with the first draft probably made Lucas consider different directions in which to take the story.[23] He made use of a new plot twist: Darth Vader claims to be Luke's father. According to Lucas, he found this draft enjoyable to write, as opposed to the yearlong struggles writing the first film, and quickly wrote two more drafts,[24] both in April 1978. He also took the script to a darker extreme by having Han Solo imprisoned in carbonite and left in limbo.[25]

>>88390112
>Hell, NuThrawn isn't even making the same obvious mistakes as the original. Previously Thrawn died because he couldn't tell that the bodyguards he spent all his time shit talking and lying to wanted to kill him. This time around he's actually watching all his subordinates like a hawk.

Probably because this is the original Thrawn. He didn't die, just jumped to the Nu-Canon universe.

Screencap this.

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>>88390176
>I'm sorry, Lord Vader, I have failed you
>N-no, stop it, Lord. Quit bobbing my head with the Force
>Stop it
>GOD YOU'RE WORSE THAN POGGLE

>>88390162
>EP do almost nothing in the process of making a movie aside from making sure schedules are budgets are kept
That's the producer's job you're describing. Executive producer is a different job.

>>88390167
AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>88390162
>Yup and EP do almost nothing in the process of making a movie aside from making sure schedules are budgets are kept.
You've clearly never seen George in the role of EP before. Also that's not an EPs job

>And when you say "helped write" it was really just him tossing in some ideas. He didnt write either outline, he didnt write the script, he didnt write the story

Then why does he have "Story By" credits for ESB and RotJ and why does he share the "Screenplay By" credit with Kasdan on RotJ? Also this>>88390174


>As for 4, Lucas himself attempted to fix it and failed. It was the efforts of everyone else that fixed it.
No he didn't.

>Star Wars was originally slated for release on Christmas 1976; however, its production delays pushed the film's release to summer 1977. Already anxious about meeting his deadline, Lucas was shocked when editor John Jympson's first cut of the film was a "complete disaster". According to an article in Star Wars Insider No. 41 by David West Reynolds, this first edit of Star Wars contained about 30–40% different footage from the final version. After attempting to persuade Jympson to cut the film his way, Lucas replaced him with Paul Hirsch and Richard Chew. He also allowed his then-wife, Marcia Lucas, to aid the editing process while she was cutting the film New York, New York (1977) with Lucas's friend Martin Scorsese. Richard Chew found the film to have a lethargic pace and to have been cut in a by-the-book manner: scenes were played out in master shots that flowed into close-up coverage. He found that the pace was dictated by the actors instead of the cuts. Hirsch and Chew worked on two reels simultaneously.[11]

>>88390200
No. They do exactly what i said they did plus keeping the producer in check.
Whether or not this is worthy of your definition it does not escape the fact that its as hands off of the actual movie as it gets. Which is the point. The man simply didnt have anything to do with the creative/film making side of these movies.

>>88390203
What?
Go look at Crystal Skull's RT score.

>>88390218
>The man simply didnt have anything to do with the creative/film making side of these movies.
You're sick in the head.
read
>>88390174
>>88390207

>>88390190
>"It seems TK-4567 is being reassigned to sanitation duty today."
>"Oh no, wasn't he going to march in the Empire Day parade today? He's been practicing his goosestep for months!"
>"I know... I called him in here. I... I have to break the news to him."

>"Hey Director Krennic, you summoned me? I hope everything's still on schedule for the parade! I'm so ready for it!"

>>88390207
>Then why does he have "Story By" credits for ESB and RotJ and why does he share the "Screenplay By" credit with Kasdan on RotJ?

Because the story as a whole is accredited to him? Its the same reason if you look up Gotham it has Frank Miller as a writer and hes not a writer on Gotham. But they are using his characters and some of his story arcs, so he gets credited.

As for the last part, thats a good copy and paste but you seem to be missing what is being said in the last couple sentences.

>>88390207
>Then why does he have "Story By" credits for ESB and RotJ and why does he share the "Screenplay By" credit with Kasdan on RotJ?

To be fair, that's actually a reasonably common thing. A lot of directors will either take a pass through the script or give notes. It doesn't mean that they're the auteur behind it but just that there was a degree of involvement.

It's the same reason Stan Lee gets credit in every marvel movie beyond his cameo. Or why the director of the warcraft movie claims writing credit despite not being the only person in the writers room and didn't make the original story.

Lucas was probably involved to some degree, but he never struck me as a guy to care much about scripts or to shoot with more than vague notions. He did the Phantom Menace script in like two weeks and was willing to add or change major characters in the prequels on whim or appearances alone. He's very much a guy who's about making cool movies first and figuring out the internal logic second. That's why the EU worked as it did. There were lots of blank spots one could fill.

>>88390218

Actually he was less involved with ANH's individual creative bits and bobs than some people think. Ben Burt was the sound guy but the death star assault was based on some films he made in college. The aesthetic of most of the actual tech and aliens was all over the place and looked more like the 50's spandex stuff everyone else was doing until McQuarrie basically designed every alien and ship from scratch.

I think ultimately Lucas is at his best as a general director. He's good at getting the right people for the job and setting them in the right direction. He's just not an auteur genius.

>>88390259
>McQuarrie basically designed every alien and ship from scratch.
McQuarrie himself says that he hammered out the designs based on George's ideas and descriptions.

You guys are really bad at this.

>>88390219
Why would i do that? Who gives a shit about a rotten tomato score? I dont need a RT score to tell me that the Crystal skull is shit, especially compared to any of the original Indy movies.

I will say im starting to understand PT fans a bit more. If they can find someone else who likes the movie, that is verification that its a great movie and the flaws we can objectively show are not actually there.

>>88390259
>To be fair, that's actually a reasonably common thing. A lot of directors will either take a pass through the script or give notes. It doesn't mean that they're the auteur behind it but just that there was a degree of involvement.
Lucas had to have had a good degree of involvement to get "Story By" credit

>There is a common misconception that a "story by" credit may be given to a person who simply has the story idea for a film or television program. This is never the case, as all writing credits are for actual writing. A written story document or treatment, or in some cases, a complete script are required to receive "Story by" credit. A writer may be accorded a "Story by" credit, only, despite having written a complete script if, for example, a subsequent writer does a "page one rewrite" that entitles him/her to sole "Screenplay by" credit. For theatrical motion pictures, only, the first writer on an original screenplay is titled to no less than shared "Story by" credit. This is known as the Irreducible Story Minimum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WGA_screenwriting_credit_system#Story_by

>>88390256
Are you braindead?

>>88390174
>the disappointment with the first draft probably made Lucas consider different directions in which to take the story.[23] He made use of a new plot twist: Darth Vader claims to be Luke's father. According to Lucas, he found this draft enjoyable to write, as opposed to the yearlong struggles writing the first film, and quickly wrote two more drafts,[24] both in April 1978. He also took the script to a darker extreme by having Han Solo imprisoned in carbonite and left in limbo.[25]

Lucas IS ESB.

>>88390270
>Crystal skull is shit
It's objectively not. Sorry bud.

>>88390259
>He did the Phantom Menace script in like two weeks
He spent close to two years on it. He started writing it in 1995.

>>88390259
Well yah, he had no power in ANH and the studio appointed most people and kept a constant eye on him.
But my point was that he had far more to do with 4 than 5 and 6.

>>88390267

Yeah, and they changed by leaps and bounds. Chewbacca was totally redesigned and the Falcon went from being the blockade runner to it's own design.

Yes, George's ideas were the basis. But they were more like coal to diamonds than rough to cut gems.

>>88390256
>Because the story as a whole is accredited to him?
See>>88390274

>As for the last part, thats a good copy and paste but you seem to be missing what is being said in the last couple sentences.
And you seem to miss that that was directed as Jympson's cut of the film.

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I hate how we set the record straight EVERY TIME THIS COMES UP, but shitposters still play the "let's minimize Lucas's involvement" game.

Is it new shitposters every time, or is it the same ones, machinists looking to get blown out again?

>>88390290

If you want to be nitpicky there were blurbs and bits of what would become that movie as far back as ANH in his notebook. The actual version we got came about much later.

>>88390292
>But they were more like coal to diamonds than rough to cut gems.
wrong
For every movie, provably wrong.
>>88390278

>>88390291

Well yes obviously. He was the DIRECTOR.

But a good director listens to his crew. It's beyond argument that there wasn't heavy input from everyone else. You can look at the dogfighting in the first movie then compare it back to Yankee Squadron and the choreography is an almost exact match because he had someone on his team who'd already done a dogfighting sequence and trusted him to know what he was doing, even if he wasn't the DP or even associated with him.

>>88390311

I was referring to A New Hope, not Empire. A lot of the very specific designs and sequences you can trace back to people other than Lucas, and verify, are in ANH.

>>88390304
It's the same ones. They don't care about the facts, they just want replies.

>>88390331
>A lot of the very specific designs and sequences you can trace back to people other than Lucas, and verify, are in ANH.
Of course, Lucas was not the only person involved.
But he is the vast majority of the genius of Star Wars 1977.

"I started with little pencil sketches," McQuarrie remembers. "I'd sit with a pencil and dream about whatever I could imagine, sort of grotesque imagery. George would come by every week and a half or two weeks, look at what I'd done, and talk to me about what he'd like to see. I was reading the script to start with, but the script sort of got waylaid -- the story was changing in his own mind -- so George would just come and talk to me about what he wanted to see."

>so George would just come and talk to me about what he wanted to see."

Case closed.

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why did battle droids have personality than clone troopers?
I wish we got a battle droid sidekick

>>88390367
>why did battle droids have personality than clone troopers?
Because Clones were genetically modified to be less independent than Jango.
TCW sort of ignores this though.

>>88390332
Ive never done this here, im simply aware of the simple fact that in the movie making process, Lucas was not involved with 5 and 6 the way he was with 4 and especially not the way he was with 1,2 and 3. If you are concerned with facts then you'd be paying more attention to the roles he played in those processes.
Its not a coincidence that apparently you guys keep seeing this come up and then attempt to excuse it with bullshit.
The point made is that in the best movies, aside from 4, he didnt write the script, he did not write the dialog, he did not direct except for 4, he was not even on set or the editing room for these movies (again aside from 4 and im sure some instances here and there)
And of course this stems from people pointing out the massive quality difference between the OT and the PT and how GL being so involved with the PT, in ways he was not with the OT, is not a coincidence in the level of shit that is the PT.

>>88390349

No he's not. The designs were changed under McQuarrie. The air choreography can be directly attributed to Burt along with most of the sound profiles he made from scratch. You can see every individual contribution that went into making Star Wars what it was if you follow the careers of a lot of people involved.

Was it George's idea? Yes. Did he direct the actors? Yes. Did it wind up being what he originally envisioned? Mostly. But only because of the fact that other people managed to put together a lot of work and contribute as well. I'd say of all the sequences in A New Hope there's probably ten to fifteen minutes of stuff that other people put more work into than George did.

So yes, a majority of work went to Lucas. But not all of it and a sizable portion you can trace back to other people's ideas.

>>88390360

George checked in every two weeks and gave direction. Bits of it changed, but he clearly gave McQuarrie time and space to actually do his thing.

>>88390377
They're less independent than Jango, but that doesn't mean they weren't meant to have a personality or be able to think for themselves. Creativity and independent thinking was one of their selling points.

>>88390385
>Ive never done this here
Yeah, I'm sure. Nevermind that you've used this exact argument before.

Last (you) you're getting from me.

>>88390349
No the genius of 77 was the team effort.
It was mostly just a bunch of young movie makers who wanted to prove themselves while doing something creative and different.
It was Lucas and all these other people simply being super creative with his idea.

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>>88390388
>George checked in every two weeks and gave direction.
You can't even read to the end of a post, my man.
Just give it up.

>>88390400
nope
ROTS is at least equal to ANH, so that bunks your theory.

>>88390396
Maybe you should try to figure out why you keep hearing these things. That to me, seems like it would be the bigger concern if i were you because its a bit silly to think that one person on an intentional website, keeps coming on to argue with you and make the same points... thats stupid. Instead of suggesting something so incredibly stupid and paranoid, maybe you should you know..... watch a documentary ont he making of SW? Maybe, read a book on it?

>>88390390
Im pretty sure the opposite was the case yes? Wasn't this stated on Kameno? The highlighting of them being nothing but disposable warriors without question or thought?

>>88390428
>maybe you should you know..... watch a documentary ont he making of SW? Maybe, read a book on it?
We are citing facts that prove that what you are saying is false.

I don't know how you are twisting the situation in your mind, but it's not the reality.

>>88390458
they also say "more creative than a droid", I think they were talking about lowered autonomy

>>88390410
I dont know how you came up with that response but whatever..

Yah sure, ROTS was a fantastic comedy.If i gave ANH as a sci-fi drama a 9 of 10, id give ROTS almost that.. like a 7.5 of 10 as a comedy.

>>88390458
No, Lama Su specifically brings up their creativity and independence because he says that makes them superior to droids. They're modified to be more obedient than Jango, but there's nothing there about them being mindless. The entire point is that they're not.

>>88390475
>ROTS was a fantastic comedy.
I simply do not understand why you are wasting your life lying in a general thread about a franchise that you hate, created by a man that you hate.

>>88390461
You have not cited anything. You mention him being a part of the production team and then him getting writing credits. Production, is not part of the creative film making process (which is the point dumbass) and writing credits he will always get because its his original story.. He got writing credits for TFA, Rouge One, 8 and 9 and every SW movie that will ever be released even after he is dead for fucks sake.

>>88390475
oh, anon, you're not allowed to hate prequels here

>>88390510
>He got writing credits for TFA, Rouge One, 8 and 9 and every SW movie that will ever be released even after he is dead for fucks sake.
Comfirmed retarded.

read this
>>88390274

>>88390510
For TFA and Rogue One he's only getting a "Based on characters by..." credit. No story or screenplay credit.

>>88390501
I love SW, its shaped my life.
The PT is a joke. But the OT and many of the novels has given me a universe to love.

What is so hard to grasp? Why do PT fanboys think that if you dont like the PT, you dont like SW? We had the largest movie franchise long before that garbage came out. But what? Because he then made 3 shit movie that only children enjoy, we must not like Star Wars? Great logic.

>>88390547
And when there is a SW story that involves none of the character he has ever been involved with, he will still have writing credits. It will simply read "based on the creative universe of.." or something similar.

I think youve taken this so far off point that youre really missing what was explained to you by myself and someone else. That the movies you want to give him writing credits in, he probably did have some degree of creative input and that is why he has those credits. But he didnt write anything. he didnt write the story, he didnt write the dialog or script, he probably didnt even write a general outline.

>>88390577
Alright, you've been shown plenty of evidence otherwise, but if you want to stick to your weird delusion, be my guest.

>>88390555
>The PT is a joke.
And what is so hard to grasp about this not being true?

>>88390555
Better question is why do you come to a thread just to say "hey, PT sucks, am i rite? lol!" and then get mad when people say it they like it? Just admit you're here to shitpost.

>>88390597
Honestly it just seems like youve never seen any of the makings of, of the original trilogy or read anything on them outside of maybe a wiki reference. Maybe you should go do that if you really want to understand his role?

>>88390624
it is almost as if taste is subjective, and while you can get an aggregate or consensus (admittedly the only way to measure subjective matters), there will always be people who like unpopular things and vice vers

>>88390649
You didn't answer the question.

>>88390649
>there will always be people who like unpopular things and vice vers
Okay, so again, why do you come to a place where you know that opinion is held, solely to say "WOW PT SUCKS GUYS" and then get upset when people disagree? Since you're not actually providing an explanation for this we really have no choice except to assume you're here specifically to rile people up.

>>88390661
That was not me you are now responding to.
As for your question, its not something i have done, is it?

>>88390631
You clearly haven't

>>88390673
What seems to be happening is when im in a conversation and i do mention the PT being bad, youre simply more sensitive to it and instead of reading it as part of the point or reasoning, that sand in your vagina tells you to read it at "hey guys the PT sucks! Who agree's or disagrees?!?! you disagree? you suck!", which is a made up situation on your end.

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This thread is beyond saving, might aswell start posting /ss/

>>88390695
Or you came here solely to say that. Alright. I'm done taking your bait.

>>88390708
>that tattoo
kek

>>88389495
Largely, but TPM gave us a whole new world, so I wouldn't write it off like that. I think that it made sense for the most part (aside from bad jokes and Anakin blowing up the command ship). But it was leagues ahead of TFA

Stop replying to the Lucas Defense Force.

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>>88390708

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzk78aItaUQ

Is she right?

>>88391112
Somewhat. However, The apprentice is a legacy and a target for bullying. The Sith are an ideology, not 'the dark side'. Dark Jedi are a thing. Also, the jews sought converts two millenia ago and persecuted non-jewish christians for the same reasons. Evil is evil and it isn't content with anything.

https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/808563587035734016

>Bruhs just like turn off your brains

>>88389372
>TCW had maybe ten good episodes throughout the entire series.
Stop, rethink your life.

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This is not canon and that makes me sad

>>88391479
If anon doesn't care about Ahsoka the 10 good episodes statement may not be far from truth.

>>88391670
I wonder if Vader really would give a shit about 3PO or not. Anakin always was ridiculously over-attached to droids (even moreso in TCW) and 3PO is his creation, but by the time of ESB I don't think he'd give a shit.

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>>88389372
>I had no problems with TFA.
>TCW had maybe ten good episodes throughout the entire series.
>thank the force LF/Disney has stepped away from TCW and PT nonsense

hey guys what is the best star wars mobile game?

>>88391888
Galaxy of Heroes is the least shittiest of them.

>>88389349
>https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/797486561499627520

No shit it was a factor, didn't CN shove it off into the Saturday morning slot of death before their failed DC Nation block? I mean, it was better than putting it on Boomerang or online streaming only (like Nick did with Legend of Korra's last season a few years later), but the abrupt schedule change to Saturday morning around the last season made me wonder if CN knew about the (then) forthcoming Disney buyout and were trying to burn it off as quietly as possible, rather than as a last-ditch attempt to get kid viewers.

I mean, about a few months after TCW ended, the announcement happened. Seems too coincidental to me, but then again, it probably was coincidental. Who knows.

Which SW planet would you most want to live on?

>>88392255
Naboo or Tatatoot