Endtown 12-12-16: Eyes roll out of sockets

WAIFUFAGS BTFO

>>88373263
MMMMMAAAAARRRRRRRXXXXXX
GODDAMMIT MARX
GOD-FUCKING-DAMMIT

>>88373263
In today's episode Aaron Literally makes fun of shipfags.

>>88373304
You need to understand that Marx was always just Aaron.
He's the writer showing up in his own story.

>>88373263
Holy fuck the absolute madman

>>88373263
>I'm more of a Flask guy
Based Marx

>>88373263
Hah, Aaron still lurks the threads.

>>88373377
That's just sad.

Well, I guess this confirms that we're moving on to new characters for the next arc

>>88373263
Stupid waifufags

Are we finally back to Endtown?

>>88373411
It's just too post-modern for you

So we're back in Endtown. Wally's arc is over, rather abruptly but Aaron was probaby tired of the waifu war in his email box.
I'm not intrested in waifus, so I find this strip very funny and accurate of the current state of /co/ threads about Endtown.

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>>88373263
Ah tradition.

>>88373263
If this is what i think it is, then Aaron is a fucking genius.

He not only gets to fulfill the Christmas in Endtown promise, but also leaves it open for him to declared the last half a year or so of strips non canon and just Marx's bullshiting townspeople, so he can actually tell what exactly happened with Wally and co at a later point.

>>88373440
>>88373462
>Stupid waifufags
This
>Are we finally off Namek?
After two and a half years I would hope so.

>>88373442
People have been self-inserting into stories since forever

Gonna echo the guy from the other thread: getting Morbi vibes. Are we sure he didn't guest write this?

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>>88373502
Onward to New Namek!

>>88373502
>Namek
>Not The Boat

>>88373263
Aaron, you should've put an elephant in that room, saying "I don't care about the ships, the writing was shit and I fucking hate Dittos"

>>88373505
Yeah, but satirical self-insertion is still post-modern
Even if Chaucer did, it was still post-modern of him to do it.

It's just a description, not a timeframe

>>88373548
This, "Namek" only exists for anime viewers.

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Seems like Aaron is really angry and now we will suffer from Marx all next year. What have we done...

>>88373377
I know, I know
I was ok with Wally and Kirbee
I was fine with Holly leaving
I was fine with it all.

But he pulled "But it was all a dream"
Just Why

I love it when stories get lodged up their own assholes.

>>88373509
Nigga you stupid? iirc Morbi dislikes Aaron and Endtown as a whole thanks to /co/'s constant comparisons.

>>88373263

"Look how silly those people are. I'm right in the end cause I'm the author."

That's a bad way to dismiss criticism.

>>88373570
It's not "All just a dream"
It's "All just a story"
Which is exactly where we were before

Marx telling a story is the exact same thing as Aaron telling a story

>>88373569
We only gave ourselves to blame. Is this what Hillary supporters feel like?

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>>88373579
>Morbi dislikes Aaron and Endtown as a whole thanks to /co/'s constant comparisons.

Not really, he actually made some art for Aaron not long ago, i dislike the little fag, but that's no reason to make shit up.

>>88373581
>it's a butthurt ____fag confuses the author telling waifufags to fuck off with actually arguing with them episode

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>>88373599
Alright
I don't have to like it, but I accept it

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>>88373263
...Ahahaha

AHAHAHA

AARON YOU FUCKING MADMAN

>>88373581
Criticism? Seems like Aaron is making fun of the over the top waifu fans, not any critique of the characters.

>>88373615
Only going on what I've heard. But thanks for clearing it up.

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>>88373581
The criticism is shit, a tantrum from waifufags, and turned this place into a negative echo-chamber which no ability to determine quality.

>Waa, it's shit writing because I don't like it (because the ship I liked died)

>>88373579
Okay I know a lot of people on /co/ have problems picking up cues, but when someone asks if so-and-so wrote a thing for which they aren't credited it's usually just a facetious, joking way of comparing authors.

Nobody really thinks Ian wrote this strip, anon.

>>88373263
Oh god, please don't let this comic drift into meta-narrative bullshit.

It's what killed Homestuck.

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Gonna repost this to put things into perspective.

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>>88373263
"I'm more of a flask guy,myself"

this guy cant not get any more base

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I tip my hat to fucking Aaron.
This is the best plot twist.

>>88373655
>Waa, it's shit writing because I don't like it (because the ship I liked died)
If you think shipping is the only reason behind the criticism, you're a shipper and a retard

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>>88373263
I'm okay with this

>>88373263
I've been thinking of buying the hardcover for end town or should I just read it on the website?

>>88373780

why not both?

>Am I so out of touch?
>No, it is the fans who are wrong

>>88373833
It's better than fanpandering

Fan hate>fan pandering

>>88373475
Stupidity.

>>88373261

>>88373833
Be gone shipper cuck.

>>88373860
This.

Fan pandering kills a story driven comic like Endtown.
This was just a bit of fun on Aaron's part I feel while still progressing the story along.

>>88373860

> Help guys I need money for medical bills
> You guys are the best! Keep supporting me.
> You don't like my ending? FUCK YOU.

Guy is dependant on fan money. Antagonizing fanbase is not a healthy way to go.

>>88373475
This is the real reason why these thread are going to shit, we need to observe our traditions

>>88373900
But it makes for better story telling
Once you give into a vocal minority, the silent majority is turned off

Fan pandering leads to creative death because now the decisions are made by whiny autists instead of someone who had enough talent to attract them

>>88373900
He does it for the [art].

Fan pandering is good for money, fan hate is good for writing.

>>88373900
>Antagonizing fanbase

he's literally just having a bit of fun out the stupid waifuwars. I find it how ironic how people claim how stupid waifuwars are, and the moment Aaron makes fun of them, people get's all offended.

You are just a butthurt waifufag.

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>>88373263
>mfw

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Perhaps I exaggerate when I say that this comic is a very important aspect of every week to me.
But still, the entire Holly's past-chapter affected my sense of time and perception, especially when I didn't have anything else to focus on. It was a very linear journey.
So now we get a new story that completely throws us to new characters and a completely strange environment.
I feel pretty good now. I've got something a bit more challenging to work with every week.
I seriously need a hobby where I can focus on self-improvement

>>88373263
I do hope this also doubles as a transition in order to take the story back to Endtown

>>88373666
Homestuck was meta from the start because of the format.

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>>88373263
Oh goodie. A meta fourth wall breaking comic

>>88373263
This is probably the first and only time I am happy to see Marx.

Also, WAIFU FAGS BTFO. I hope now at least some of you realize how dumb you look.

I really hope we get those threads back to working order.

>>88374086
Three years of wandering the desert with the nutty mouse gf

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>>88373964
>You are just a butthurt waifufag.
That's how it starts, kids.

>>88374426
Maybe when Aaron actually moves away from this bullshit. Why even have most of this crap? I'm like Endtown because seeing furries suffer in the desert is fun, not because I like love triangles and relationship drama.

>>88373742
As you can clearly read in today's strip, Aaron is making fun of people throwing tantrums and fighting each other, not the ones criticising him. And since 90% of the last few threads were readers insulting other readers, you can see where he got that idea.

>>88373263
So which one is KC?

>>88374522
This. Endtown is for seeing furries suffer in the post-apocalypse, not shipping.

>>88374593
Could've fooled me with all the fanart.

>>88374591
Whoever is eating shit, so I guess the rabbit.

>>88374522
I think Aaron originally planned a Jim 2.0 with Holly but then chickened out.

Like, Jim's schism was caused by whatsherface leaving him for some lizard dick

And Holly was cracking because of Kirbee and Wally's flirts.

I'd like it that maybe "Lynn" was always Holly and that Holly was creating Lynn as a defense. Lynn always loved her. Lynn never betrayed her. Lynn was the symbol of true loyal love, which is why "Lynn" was always starring at Wally.


But no, it was rogue dittos and like Lynn's soul or something.

>>88373263
Marx has good taste at least.
I thought this was funny

>>88374624
>And Holly was cracking because of Kirbee and Wally's flirts.
>"Lynn" was always Holly and that Holly was creating Lynn as a defense
Can't you get your mind off from shipping? Losing Wally was the LEAST of her concerns at that point.

>>88374679
>Losing Wally was the LEAST of her concerns at that point.
Not really

Doc even warned Wally about what would happen if she broke up with him.
Holly has been fucking psycho since the baby.

Losing Wally isn't about shipping, it's her facade of normalcy crumbling

>>88374180
The joke is meta but it doesn't break the 4th wall.

>>88373263
Ok that cheered me right the fuck up, You madman you

>>88374717
She was also sick of surviving the desert, topsiders, lizards, "Eye" and herself.

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>>88373263
>I'm more of a Flask guy myself

What a fucking madman

>>88373263
Ok, so what's going to happen is that the kids will continue to fight and then Marx will say "Ok ok, you want to know what REALLY happened?"

Then we see Wally go back to the ship, find Holly who has gone fucking crazy and feels Eye coming for her.
Then she commits suicide

And then the next issue is Marx going "Is that what you wanted to see? Is that better?"

>>88374845
>"Is that what you wanted to see? Is that better?"
YES

>>88374845
Better than "hollodick" ending?
Yes.
Better than "Fuck waifufags" ending?
Debatable

I just want to point out that there's a human child in the crowd

>>88375149
Interesting. Does this mean that even a mutant child may come out human?

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>>88373263
For your consideration.

Also, of all the possibilities, did not see THIS coming.

>>88375149
>black
Uh oh

>>88373263
>this is how retarded you all look

I like it

>>88373496
>but also leaves it open for him to declared the last half a year or so of strips non canon
It doesn't. The narrator becoming visible to the reader doesn't uncanonise the story.

>>88373263
Is this endtown and not some weird place Marx is currently fucking around in? The lack of reined-in hostility between humans and furries confuses me.
Is this a joke? Is Aaron making fun of us for the tale of mouse vs lizard? Because if so Flask did everything wrong. No redemption for such a loser.

>>88375291

> The narrator becoming visible to the reader doesn't uncanonise the story.

What is unreliable narrator.

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This isn't happening.
He can't be this autistically clueless.
This has to be a joke.
It's got to be a joke I am not understanding right now.

This isn't happening.

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>>88375238
>virus considers black people as animals

It was all worth it for this single strip.

WELCOME BACK TO ENDTOWN, MOTHERFUCKERS

>nb4 morbi does this

>>88375459
Fuck off retard.

>>88373263
Am I the only one who hates meta updates? Like, this is so meta it hurts.
Come on,I mean I understand joking about waifufags and I think they're as retarded as the next guy, but actually making an update about it?
Just to say how silly they look?
It's really really really meta. I don't like it.

Wasn't Endtown like destroying itself last time we saw it?

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Go, Aaron! Show those waifufags their place!

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>>88375609
Nice argument.

You really think that after a heartbreaking arc that lasted more one year Aaron wriggles in Marx as a HAHA LOOK AT THIS GUYS LMAO joke with absolutely no context about butthurt fans?

Hey, maybe I don't know anything about stories and comics. It could be.

>>88375363
I assumed it was a bit into the future. Marx's next story will probably take us back into Endtown.

>>88375630
Yeah. It showed in Al's last strips yet how it was going.
Strange how both humans and furries are listening together and yet its two furry waifufags who are fighting each other. I doubt this is the endtown we left off.
Maybe the hostilities are over and we're just going to get a bunch of flashbacks to Yogi Bear winning?

>>88375710
You're not even trying.

Can we all agree that Marx is the worst possible character of the comic and should have go him years ago

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>>88375748
I'm actually confused.
Is this good writing?
Is self inserting yourself and criticizing a part of your very loud fanbase in dark and depressing comic like endtown a good idea?

I'm serious, I don't know anymore.
If this is just a joke to lighten the mood then it might be a acceptable, but this feels fucking jarring.

>>88375761
got rid*

I don't understand, was it all just a story? Or did it really happen and Marx is just using Mary Sue powers to show them?

Or is this strip non-canon and the rest is real?

idk man

>>88375376
And again, the narrator becoming visible to the reader doesn't make him an unreliable narrator.

>>88373726
Well, I am glad Kirbee got introduced.

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Even if it was a joke, there's some layers of humor that aren't as abrupt as this, you know?

How would you feel if after the end of Schindler's List someone just screamed BAZINGA!

This is kind of how it feels like.

>>88375838

Have you read the comic at all? Marx is hardly reliable of a narrator.

>>88373900
>Fan pandering
It's all tongue in cheek. You have to get a bit of a sense of humor.

>>88375820
I'm merely getting (You) from you. This update is irredeemably terrible.

>>88374624
see>>88373726
for the original plan. So, no not Wally dying.

>>88373263

LOVING EVERY LAUGH

Fuck you waifufags. Flask is a cute A CUTE!

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>>88375899
Oh.
Well, I'm glad I'm not getting crazy then. Thanks for explaining.
I mean is everyone in the thread being ironic? I can't see any criticism and everyone's praising this joke.

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>>88373263
HOLY FUCK

>>88375593
Morbi's a much better writer.

>>88375875
Marx being an unreliable character doesn't make him an unreliable narrator Trope. And so far, he has never lied.

The narrator becoming visible is a common narrative trick, and Marx fit perfectly for it.

>>88375996

>dude, LESBIANS!
>Lmao!

>>88375614
>Am I the only one who hates meta updates?
yes.

>>88375996
One of Morbi's many flaws is that he has a terrible personality that reverberates in the comic via fucking with the readers.

>>88375955
That's just a perfect picture to sum today's update.

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>>88375996
>"My first project is going to take ten years!"
>"Bad idea for someone starting out kohun"
>"Don't tell me what to do! Hiatus periods don't count!"
>proceeds to hiatus and make worldbuidling walls of text and lore on his tumblr instead of in the comic
lol

>>88375820
>Is self inserting yourself and criticizing a part of your very loud fanbase in dark and depressing comic like endtown a good idea?
Anything is good when it is well done. And in this case it is well done.

>criticizing a part of your very loud fanbase
A big point you seem to miss is that he include himself in that. The "I am more of a Flask Guy myself" actually indicate Aaron is as much part of the shippers as the other He is part of the target of the joke. It's just a tongue in cheek jokes that even most of the shippers will enjoy.

>If this is just a joke to lighten the mood then it might be a acceptable,
It is
>but this feels fucking jarring.
There is no reason to.

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>>88376111
>Hiatus
You know nothing.

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>>88375872

>>88375761
No, I have always liked Marx.

>>88376161

prequel is not on hiatus tho, it's dead... time to move on.

>>88376161
>prequel
>hiatus
You don't understand yourself. A hiatus ends.

>>88375955
>mean is everyone in the thread being ironic? I can't see any criticism and everyone's praising this joke.
I know I genuinely enjoy it.

>>88376151
>The "I am more of a Flask Guy myself" actually indicate Aaron is as much part of the shippers as the other He is part of the target of the joke.
Well, it does make sense, yes.
I guess I just need a little more time to metabolize it.

>>88375872
Endtown has a different mood than Schindler List and for End town, who is no stranger for gag from time to time, it fit.

>>88375872
>How would you feel if after the end of Schindler's List someone just screamed BAZINGA!
That would be a bold take on the holocaust movie genre. I don't think Holywood would accept this anyway.
I think this works well as a transition from the previous arc or, as Aaron said in >>88373726
more of a closure for the story of Holly and Wally. Of course it's abrupt, but then so is the rest of the comic. Endtown is an apocalyptical tale where the characters are cartoon animals. Theme dissonance has been there from the start. There was also moments of comedy right after, sometimes even in the middle of dramatic scenes (Kirbee and Chic joking in the restaurant while Wally learns about Holly's life before the war).
I understand why people are pissed off, especially since Aaron is mocking the waifu wars (and by extention, the shippers themselves, and then they take it personnaly), but I just have to admire the audacity of this meta comment and I kinda enjoy seeing shippers taken down a notch.

>>88376190
>>88376161
If Guts got off the boat, Katia will get out of Kwatch.
Albeit at a glacier's pace.

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>>88373263
Okay, I'm back to being happy. I forgot Endtown was supposed to be funny too.

Keep pissing us off Aaron!

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>>88376261
>us

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>>88375872
I'd probably giggle out of confusion, honestly.

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>>88375872
well, for one I think that would be hilarious anon

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>>88375872
>How would you feel if after the end of Schindler's List someone just screamed BAZINGA!

my sides would go fucking ballistic

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>>88376252
Its over dude. Let it go.

Is this Endtown's first joke in over a year?

>>88376236
Endtown does kinda swing high and low, you're right. I mean, just think of the initial arc and the milk trials. There's a lotevents that are completely dissonant, to use your wording.

You know, I probably have to re-read endtown again. But not the first arc. That was bad.

>>88376374

no, Kirbee was the first.

>>88376374
A year? When was Holly introduced?

>>88376047
Nah, he doesn't let his fans affect his comic. Sure he makes fun of the real cringeworthy autists on his tumblr, but he doesn't make the retarded mistake that Neathery does and let it affect his comic.

That's the thing. Morbi has an actual story to tell. Neathery doesn't know where he's going with this shit so he pulls all this meta bullshit.

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>>88376337
Our great lord Kaz will update when we will BELIEVE enough.
Our time will come, anon.

>>88376432
>Morbi has an actual story to tell.

5 chapters in and poppy still makes no fucking sense, nice try though.

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>>88376463
>great lord
>this is what delusions induce
Your father has forsaken you. He'll come back when you start paying for that sweet merch.

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>>88376515

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>>88376432
You're only embarrassing yourself.

>>88376480
>I don't understand a comic made for the whole family

Sounds like that's your problem, brah.

>>88376542
You have my prayers then.

>>88376578
>a comic made for the whole family

Ok Kid

>>88376480
yeah but lesbians

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>>88376463
>>88376252
>>88376542

You don't understand, anon.

Not even kazerad knows when the update will be done, he's entirely lost control of his own project now. It's up to the random schmucks he outsourced to to figure it out. If they can actually achieve the goals they set out in the next three weeks or in three additional months, nobody knows.

It's something of a Schrodinger's cat situation.

>>88376669

let's be honest, Prequel is not even that great to begin with, why prequelfags put up with Kaz bullshit all the time?

>>88376720

because he's more interesting than his comic most of the time.

>>88376720
Because the cat was made for benin.

>>88373263

Top kek.

>>88376578
>two years and five chapters
>comic has amounted to an adequate prologue and a whole lot of shipping
>two years have gone by for a ten year project and this is all you have
No anon.

>>88376392
>But not the first arc. That was bad.
It still had its moments, mostly Sparkplug's backstory, but I understand why people think it's the worst arc, especially compared to the milk trial or unity.

>>88376783
>It's slightly slower than a remarkably fast comic that I like.

Neathery has you spoiled. Poppy's coming out at a perfectly reasonable pace for a webcomic. Few webcomics are as productive.

As for Endtown, I'd rather it be slower and less complete fanpandering bullshit.

>>88376720
Waifu faggotry.

>>88373726
Okay. I actually called that this was probably the original intention (but fuck if nobody will believe me) but the pieces fit that this entire story arc didn't originally have Kirby in it. I can kinda see it.

Personally, I feel like maybe that Kirbee's insertion did "too much" beyond what Aaron needed for the plot and I for one would have loved to have seen the intended narrative of them getting to the cliffs by the sea, and the real Holly disappearing with no answers after that for the rest of the month instead of an abrupt BTFO towards the shippers, but eh.

The ending is what it is. Maybe some mistakes were made but Aaron was trying to take the story one way, knowing there'd be a huge upset and did what he could to mitigate some of it.

>>88375593
>le Poppy vs Endtown maymay
I wonder if it will survive to 2017.

>>88374571
>And since 90% of the last few threads were readers insulting other readers, you can see where he got that idea.
Except that's bullshit. There were many readers who said the ending was badly written, that it felt rushed, that the characters' decisions happened too abruptly to enjoy, and that Dittos were overall a really shitty storytelling device that Aaron is abusing for convenience's sake, and a whole sew of other people telling them "hurr le butthurt Hollyfag" for absolutely no reason.
Now this would've been just fan autism doing its thing, but this strip says that Aaron is being dense and he's riding a very convenient idea of a scenario that he knows isn't truthful.

>>88376783

>a whole lot of shipping

One character dating another is a lot of shipping?

>>88376945

no but 3 chapters completely dedicated to ship 2 characters, is.

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>>88373263
>literally what goes on in Endtown threads in /co/

Ha.
Aaron has been doing his homework.

>>88373263
>Takes one to know one, lizard lover!!

He comes here, doesn't he?

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>>88376261
>I'm sick of you people! You're all nothing but a bunch of waifufags.
>Hey, he's right! Give us hell, Neathery!

>>88376899
I wonder if we'll survive to 2017.

>>88373263
So, does this mean the population of Endtown know about the mutation not being caused by a virus? Or did Marx keep that fact to himself?

>>88377083
Even if we all die, we will continue to exist in some form or another. Perhaps in a different dimension.

>>88376977

>3 chapters completely dedicated to ship 2 characters

What?
Only one chapter could even remotely be called "dedicated to shipping" and a lot of it was used to explore the dynamics of the royal family.

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>>88377057
>this
I fucking love Aaron. And this is the first time I actually liked a Marx appearance.

>>88377099
>Inb4 Farx never actually existed in the original events and was some kind of meta-self-insert

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>>88376669
>>88376463
>>88376515
You guys don't know how lucky you have it. Not only is Wterworks on Hiatus, not only has the plot been put to an halt because of an Halucination-Flashback. But even that has been put to an halt for a new flashback/hallucination set within the previous flashback/hallucination.

And while within that, it has been on Hiatus for months, now.

>>88377380
Sounds like another piece of trash I've heard about.
Naruto.

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>>88376720
We just don't know

>>88377185
I fucking love how the family bec irrelevant and the next chapter begins with dating instead of the promised politics.

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>>88373726
So, hollyfags latched onto something that was never meant to be the endgame and aaron tried to hint at it in every possible way for years but they refused to listen and bitched and moaned when he finally wrote her out.

I guess the moral of the story is that waifufags are just bad people.

>>88376928
>There were many readers who said the ending was badly written, that it felt rushed, that the characters' decisions happened too abruptly to enjoy, and that Dittos were overall a really shitty storytelling device that Aaron is abusing for convenience's sake, and a whole sew of other people telling them "hurr le butthurt Hollyfag" for absolutely no reason.
But none of that is true.
> but this strip says that Aaron is being dense and he's riding a very convenient idea of a scenario that he knows isn't truthful.
You are the one being dense. Shipping war exist, and it's legit to make fun of it. This doesn't equal in any way to a dismissing of criticism.

>>88373263
Goddammit Aaron, why won't you let ME move on? Just start the next arc already.

This could have been avoided, thanks to you guys we get more Marx.

>>88377451
WaterWorks is actually quite nice.

>>88376224
>Endtown has a different mood than Schindler List and for End town

Yeah. In Schindler's List, some people escaped and got to be happy.

>>88377610
I like Marx.

>>88373475
I don't get it isn't this just the same as the OP image?

>>88377484

>I fucking love how the family bec irrelevant

Anon, we have no idea how relevant the royal family will be.

>the next chapter begins with dating instead of the promised politics.

The date that spanned a grand total of three pages with two of them in a restaurant where 80% of the dialog was between Poppy and the crime-boss/prime-minister or the Queen and the crime-boss/prime-minister?

Do you really believe that a chapter about her first day as ambassador won't have politics?

>>88373263
>Marx brought back
Fuckin dropt

>>88377380
>waterworks
Oh you think THAT's bad?
I'm still waiting for divequest and boxdog and aganomad to update.

>>88373263
Personally, this is the best way to end this arc since Aaron said that the next one won't involve Wally, Kirby or Chic.

>>88375836
>using reality warping powers to show them
FTFY. Being OP ≠ Mary Sue. If Marx is a Mary Sue it isn't because of his power.

Wally is a Mary Sue and he isn't as capable as Marx... yet.

>>88377784
>Its a Marx arc

>>88377779
Boxdog already got double the usual amount of yearly updates, don't be greedy.

>>88377529
>Shipping war exist
In whose head, when any legitimate complaint gets instantly dismissed as waifufagging?

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>>88377784
Aaron has said that the next arc is about Walt and Dottie.

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>>88376374
No. There's been a few more here and there.

You people sure love to exaggerate.

I'm pretty sure the creator is shitposting in this very thread to defend his awful self-insert.

We all as teenagers do shit like that, insert our overpowered self-inserts into the plot because they are SO COOL, but there comes a time when that needs to stop.

>>88377924
>In whose head, when any legitimate complaint gets instantly dismissed as waifufagging?
In none heads, as it actually exist. And no, it doesn't.

>>88377977
>his awful self-insert.
Not Aaron, here, and I like Marx.

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>>88377299
Shit's getting too meta for me.

>>88377977
>We all as teenagers do shit like that, insert our overpowered self-inserts into the plot because they are SO COOL, but there comes a time when that needs to stop.
But that's wrong. Any veteran writers will tel you there is a bit of themselves in each of their creation.

>>88378049

Good writers split their personality amongst a lot of characters, shit writers put all of the personality into one character and makes him play pivotal roles in the plot.

>>88377099
It's the narrator making himself visible. If this is set in the same universe of Endtown, it's in the far future when all is set and done.

I mean, it's a classic trope, do you guys even meta?

>>88373263
ABSOLUTE MADMAN

>>88378086
>Good writers split their personality amongst a lot of characters, shit writers put all of the personality into one character and makes him play pivotal roles in the plot.
This is in no way an absolute truth.

Basically, in story telling, everything is allowed as long as you doing good. And Marx is a good character. Pointing out he is a self insert in itself isn't proof of bad story telling.

Fuck, Even Agatha Christie used to do this.

>>88377510
You don't fool anyone, lizard lover!

Seriously now, at this point many people have agreed that the current version is weak no matter if you side with Holly or Kirbee. Blaming hollyfags for the uproar achieves nothing but shitposting.

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>>88377529
>But none of that is true.
The Hell it isn't.

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>>88373351
100% warranted.

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>>88374066
You need a positive hobby? You could get /fit/, anon
>>>/fit/

>>88378215
Not liking something doesn't mean it's bad.

>>88378123

> And Marx is a good character.

Go to bed KC. I understand you protect your precious friend, but Marx is a shitty character the is there to Deus Ex Machina the shit out of the story, while being a shitty Tom Baker knock-off. End of story.

>>88378049
>Any veteran writers will tel you there is a bit of themselves in each of their creation.

Yeah, no shit, they wrote the bloody thing. Actual self-inserts who are major elements in the narrative are rare as fuck.

>>88377977
Marx's reality bending stuff is actually woven or being woven into the overall narrative, though. He's not OP just because.

What makes him annoying is not what he can do but how he does it, beause he is annoying person.

>>88378123

>And Marx is a good character.

I don't think he's a self insert, but no.
Marx is a horrible character that adds nothing but convoluted shit to the plot.

>>88373263
I am both amused and disappointed by this.
But mostly just wondering if this is something that's going to actually affect Endtown itself.

>>88378123
>And Marx is a good character.

Marx is universally disliked, and for good reason.

>Fuck, Even Agatha Christie used to do this.

/care

>>88373726
This is nice and good, but he does just lay it out that Kirbee is more of a plot device than anything. Her being super nice and genuinely not morbid in the setting is absolutely needed, but where she'll go from here is kind of worrying since she hasn't alluded to offering anything for a while.
Obviously Aaron has plans for her, but for now she's just kind of around to be Wally's Holly.

>>88378246
The fact that many people have said it is true, though.

Also, that is false. Just because -you- like something or find it acceptable doesn't mean it's not flawed. It usually means that you lack self-awareness or simply do not really care.

>>88378415
>Marx is universally disliked
I like Marx. I generally like Doctor Who type characters.

>>88378489
>The fact that many people have said it is true, though.
Noisy minority.

>>88378492
This. I have a liking for well written OP character who ad dot the story and manage to make it more interesting. It's not easy to pull, but it's awesome when it's well done.

>>88378415
>Marx is universally disliked, and for good reason.
Not everyone dislike it.

>>88378123
Marx is the worst part of the entire comic, the series would only be improved without the bullshit he drops into it.

He's a far bigger issues than the bad writing people were going on about in the storyline up until this point.

>>88378492
You have shit taste, friend.

>>88376161
10 more months to go

>>88378593
>Marx is the worst part of the entire comic, the series would only be improved without the bullshit he drops into it.
I disagree. He is the perfect connection between I and the other characters.

>the bad writing people were going on about in the storyline up until this point.
It's not bad writing. We finally got a presentation of how earth was before the WWIII and the back story of holly, delivered perfectly, whil the tension still remained because it was more than just a flashback.

>Marxfags on the rise

I thought the only thing we unanimously agreed upon years ago was the Marx was a mistake. What gives?

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>anons defending Marx

>>88379015
Fuck off you shipper cuck.

>>88378492
>I generally like Doctor Who type characters.

Well, there's your problem. I don't, and I think Dr. Who itself has tons of bad writing to the point that it isn't even real science fiction.

Granted, Marx did *some* fun things. I don't particularly have a burning hatred for the guy, but I wouldn't call him a good character.

>>88378573
No, but the dislike for him is pretty widespread.

Is liking marx the new shitpost?

>>88373475
>>88373263

This is just sad. Aaron should just quit, he obviously can't write anymore.

>>88378958
>the back story of holly, delivered perfectly
Debatable.

And you're entirely dismissing how the PRESENT story was delivered in an unsatisfactory manner, which is what is geting the most complaints.

>>88379015
>>88379037
>>88379065
>Is liking marx the new shitpost?
Yes. There's people who genuinely like him but now they're just being obnoxious on purpose.

>>88379065

I actually wonder if it's Aaron's friends trying to white knight him.

>>88373964

No, he had fans criticize his ending and writing so he deflected the issue with waifu fags beating on each other.

It's literally dodging the actual argument.

>>88379137

I think all the butthurt shippers and people who want some quick (you)s are ironically posting about how they love marx.

Yet another example of how sarcasm can't be detected over the internet.

>>88374522
>Maybe when Aaron actually moves

FIFY. The man's health problems come from clearly a sedentary lifestyle.

>>88373570
>>88373599
I'm pretty sure it all happened, but Marx was just presenting it to Endtowners as if it was fiction.

>>88373726
If he's acknowledging that Holly is essentially committing suicide why are her choices portrayed in the comic in a fairly positive manner? If suicide is the best she could do that's a pretty big downer (fair enough; it's Endtown) but it doesn't play out like that on the page.

>>88373263
Welp, I'm out.

Fuck you too dude.

>>88379401

waifufags btfo

>>88373726
Some of these are fair points but that don't change the fact that the ending was bad.

You can do a good bad end and "No its great I'll just kill myself =D" "This is the best thing that could happen." "Yes." isn't it, and a meta-comic to deflect criticism onto shipping wars is manipulative.

>>88379436
>says while probably being a shameless kirbeefag

>>88373570
I'm pretty sure it wasn't "all a dream". Aaron doesn't strike me as the sort of author to waste months (years?) of story with such a shitty twist.

He's just making fun of the Second Waifu War, possibly as a segue into the next storyline (back to Endtown? We'll need more updates before we know for sure).

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>>88373263
>all these butt hurt shipshits
Glorious.

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Prepare for the next year.

>>88379473

>the kirbeefag boogieman

stay mad Hollyfag

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>>88373462
>current state of /co/ threads about Endtown
>mfw I've always been a Flaskfag
>mfw when I'm Marx

>>88379516
I knew it.

>>88373568
Isn't "The Boat" a reference to an anime too?

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>>88379539

>He... he called me Hollyfag! he must be a Kirbee fag! fucking Kirbeefags!!!

>>88379609
Get out of here, Marx.

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>>88373263
>shitting on waifufags

Thank fuck for that. Stop coming to these threads because y'all fucks made it terrible

Who brought /b/ here

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>>88373263
>Lord Aaron! the fandom has forgotten the True Nature of End Town, they think it's one of their harem Japanimations
>Remind Them.

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>>88379529
>>mfw I've always been a Flaskfag
>>mfw when I'm Marx

>people who don't actually read the comic
>can't post mfw because I have to spoonfeed them

>>88379356
She's literally in a deserted landscape in a world populated almost exclusively by people and monsters that want her dead, and not much else. This after being repeatedly and constantly abused and traumatized since before the end of the world. She finally found some rest, and didn't even need to kill herself for it, that's why it's painted in a somewhat positive light.

>>88373263
HAHA

YES

AARON YOU ABSOLUTE MADMAN

>>88379742
I've read the comic boyo, I know Marx was in love with Flask and pulled her into an alternate dimension so his other self can have constant feline sex. But this one panel is almost directly referencing the way waifufags post here about Holly and Kirbee, and Marx being the only one going "but Flask tho" reminds me of my (mostly forgotten) waifu.

But hey if it all makes you feel superior when posting in a Taiwanese shoemaking forum discussing fornication with cartoon animal people, good for you!

I hope Marx is the next protagonist, I miss the old threads, maybe it can recover.

>>88379890
>damage control

>>88379555
The Berserk anime hasn't gotten that far.

>>88379910
A Marx Focused arc (though hopefully short) would be interesting. If only to watch him suffer being an effective god.

>>88373405
>>88373730
>>88374787
We've always known Marx is a "flaskfag", why are people getting so so excited?

>>88380001
They want a bone thrown to the girl who fucked up.

>Moral of the story
Kek

>>88379713
The kids suddenly get vaporized?

>>88380069
>the girl who fucked up

Flask did nothing wrong.

Except not checking whether her garbage gun actually worked. Admittedly, that was kind of stupid. And I suppose she was kind of evil.

But I still like her.

>>88373726
holy shit. His health situation is pretty much FUBAR

To be honest, the original plan of Holly just fucking off was much better. The way it happened has a very strong lack of closure - We don't really see holly fucking up, we don't see the extent, and this is a scenario were telling but not showing doesn't cur that much. She just up and leaves the story.

While I understand what he wanted to prevent readers from hating the cast, the resolution he came to is presented essentially as an unwitting copt out.

I do agree that Kirby presents pivotal story elements, however.

Aaron's analisis of storytelling is also excellent. I love how he processes ideas. I Hope he can finally get rid of his health issues.

>>88380326
Flask did everything wrong. Face the facts. She's just like Hitler.
Hitler failed to remove Jews, and she failed to remove Topsiders. Fucking evil bitch failed to deliver on her massacre.

>poppyfags tried to sgit up the thread
Disgusting furryfucks should stay in their containment threads.

>>88380411
But like Hitler we love her for trying and as long like Hitler she was back stabbed by vermin

>>88380448
Failures not tolerated. She deserved a painful death.
She should have made like Stalin.

>>88380475
Stalin also failed, he was assassinated.

>>88380411
Hitler didn't have a caboose that never quits.

>>88380501
Stalin killed a lot more people than Hitler and led a more successful regime. Besides,he was assassinated. That just paves the way for a worthy successor.

>>88379132
>And you're entirely dismissing how the PRESENT story
This is the present story. And an unpleasing ending doessn't mean a bad ending. It's a bitter end, but it fit the characters progression.

>Gustine is great
>"Ehh..."

>Holly is great
>Allie isn't great
>"Poor Allie."

>Marx is great!
>"No, Marx is shit."

>Kirbee is great!
>Holly isn't great
>"Ha HA, stay mad Hollyfags!"

>Maude is great
>"Ha HA, I've always been a Maudefag!"

>Marx is great
>Flask is great
>"Ha HA, Marx is great and I've always been a Flaskfag!"

Hmm, I wonder where everything went wrong?

>>88379180
>No, he had fans criticize his ending and writing so he deflected the issue with waifu fags beating on each other.
Wrong.

Making fun of the waifu beating isn't deflecting the argument.

As a matter of fact, he actually address the whole issue there. >>88373726
But you are too up to yourself to acknowledge it.

>>88378452
>This is nice and good, but he does just lay it out that Kirbee is more of a plot device than anything.
He doesn't. She is just as much a plot device as any character.

>>88380444
>Calling other people furfucks
>In a general for a furfag comic
Also, as someone frequents both endtown and poppy threads, the poppy threads are way less shit.

>>88380575
>>88380608
>>88380633
And you're too much of an ass kisser.

>>88380664
No. I simply enjoy stuff and I am able to tell the difference between a story I dislike and a bad story.

>>88380575
It's not a good ending in terms of storytelling. Aaron spent a year on the flashback, and then spends a week on wrapping Holly's tale up? I think he should have stuck to his original plan. This just doesn't work.

Amusing as it is, the dig at shipperfags doesn't negate the fact that his writing really slipped after Unity, in my opinion.

>>88380660
>friedrichfag
No.

>>88380660
Endtown is currently enduring a shitstorm. You're a lying fuck if you claim Poppy threads weren't the same or worse when Poppy was outed bisexual, a human was introduced or Kit+Poppy was confirmed.

>>88380444
>Disgusting furryfucks should stay in their containment threads.
Wht's the point of that. It seems like this thread can shitpost itself while remaining topical.

I didn't expect so much butthurt and projecting for a simple tongue in cheek joke.

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>>88377529
A) All of that is true. I've been here on every other thread not discussing shipposting but the fact that the sudden reveal of the virus not being a virus (and no explanation after that), the omniscience of the dittos and their poorly explained powers of godhood, Wally's godhood over the godlike microbes, the sudden dispersal of Holly (when there was a very, very specific point in the comic within THAT week that stated a fake Holly COULD NOT get into their bubble), and the sudden okay-ness of Holly's choice.
>All that being said, if he did extend the arc a little bit to show Holly's change of heart and wally's issue with it I'd have a lot less problems with the ending, but then the arc was lasting a really fucking long time...

B) Granted on the shipposting existing. And I think everyone's over-criticizing a kek-worthy 4-panel to deal with the shits who wouldn't shuttup about their Holly or their Kirbee.

>>88380730
>It's not a good ending in terms of storytelling.
I disqagree. Especially as this isn't the end and we are going to go back to the characters at some point. Meanwhile, it's a fitting conclusion to an arc following the evolution of characters tha mke sense withtin the story.
> I think he should have stuck to his original plan.
I strongly disagree and think this suit much better the mood of Endtown tna the other ending. for the exact reason Aaron listed.
>the dig at shipperfags doesn't negate the fact that his writing really slipped after Unity, in my opinion.
I disagree with that. The writing didn't slip.

>>88380608
>As a matter of fact, he actually address the whole issue there. >>88373726
And that's redeeming? He had that much to say on the chapter yet decided to end it anyway, then discloses this sort of important insight in an unrelated email, but at the same time decides that waifu wars need to be given the spotlight at the end of a chapter in the actual comic.

>>88380722
>I am unable to tell the difference between a story I like and a good story and I will be obnoxious about it
FTFY

>>88380786
>but the fact that the sudden reveal of the virus not being a virus (and no explanation after that),
It's not sudden. it was specualted and hinted for a while. And reveal does not require immediate explanations.
>the omniscience of the dittos and their poorly explained powers of godhood, Wally's godhood over the godlike microbes,
This is nothing new. And this will be explored further. The arc was about Holly, not the ditto, it uintroduce ellement on it, but there is no immedite obligation to adress those points; Those can come an unravel later.
>the sudden dispersal of Holly (when there was a very, very specific point in the comic within THAT week that stated a fake Holly COULD NOT get into their bubble)
wrong. thta was never stated
>and the sudden okay-ness of Holly's choice.
It's not okay, it's more a "what can we do about that" and "everyone has a breaking point and Holly met it, at least she is alive".

>>88380841
You seem to be alone in thinking all of that, which should you tell you something.

>>88380841
>Especially as this isn't the end and we are going to go back to the characters at some point.

We're not going to get back to Holly, though. I think it's a dissatisfying exit for the character, mostly because we haven't actually seen her, directly, in a year of real time. All the other flashbacks had people explaining what happened, how they felt, etc. We had shots of them during their emotional breakdowns as they watched their own history unfold. That was missing, here, and it makes me feel disconnected from the narrative, and underwhelmed.

>this suit much better the mood of Endtown tna the other ending

Maybe a mix would have been OK. But I think it we needed to see Holly make the choice. Aaron's reasons don't resonate with me.

>The writing didn't slip.

It wasn't an immediate drop, but thinking back there's also other stuff. For instance, lizards used to have short, bandy legs, and now they have long, human stilt legs. Kirbee also became more voluptuous. Something in the writing really changed over the last year or so, and I don't think I like the change.

>>88380853
>And that's redeeming?
It's a proof he is not dismissing the complains, like you were complaining about.
>He had that much to say on the chapter yet decided to end it anyway, then discloses this sort of important insight in an unrelated email, but at the same time decides that waifu wars need to be given the spotlight at the end of a chapter in the actual comic. It's more of a behind the scene, something a story doesn't need to showcase fully.
His Q&A have always been ful of info that haven't been fully presented in the comic.
the waifuwar joke is a lighthearted moment after a depressing conclusion and it's actually quite welcome.

>>88380858
the story is good.

>>88381046
For you.

>>88373411
At how accurate that shit is.

>>88381026
>It's a proof he is not dismissing the complains, like you were complaining about.
Why didn't he address the issues in the comic then? I mean, people were saying there was lack of closure and shit felt rushed, this looks more worthy of a place in the comic than a jab at waifufags.

Nobody should be expected to give a shit about the Q&As.

>>88380970
Not really. Many here seem to have enjoyed the update. But I am the only one bothering to discuss with people who disagree with that.
>We're not going to get back to Holly, though.
and we don't need to. She has broken down and we fully know why she followed that trajectory.

>I think it's a dissatisfying exit for the character, mostly because we haven't actually seen her, directly, in a year of real time.
This is the tale of how holly left. In a meta way,n, this is fitting. And reflect on how Wally must have feel abandoned and helpless about it too. We haven't see, the actual actual character, but what we have seen was her real past.

>But I think it we needed to see Holly make the choice. Aaron's reasons don't resonate with me.
It reflect how the other feel helpess about Holly's decision and how they couldn't haven't have a chance to talk her out of it.
>Kirbee also became more voluptuous
I think her change of stance relate more to the loss of her tail.
>Something in the writing really changed over the last year or so, and I don't think I like the change.
It didn't, I have seen this phenomenon many time. It's the cool down of reaching the end of binge-reading and having to wait for the next update. it always give a different experience to the reading. and give the impression that the tone has changed. It's not the tone, it's the rhythm.

>>88373263
I love it.

Best possible outcome. Bravo Aaron.

>>88381186
>All these things are not an issue because I say so

>>88381129
>Why didn't he address the issues in the comic then?
Because it doesn't need to. The comic has an enough slow path as it is to overload it with unnecessary exposition.

The comic as it is is fine. For those who still don't understand the direction,the faq is there.

>people were saying there was lack of closure and shit felt rushed,
It's not rushed, it's the logical consequence of the narrative. The lack of closure is the inevitable consequence of Holly's decision.

the lack of closure is what Wally feel and it make sense the reader feel the same.

It's not that the ending is bad, it's that it has a bitter resolution. And a lighthearted joke is what we need after that?

>>88381186
>I am the only one bothering to discuss with people who disagree with that
Given all your typing mistakes I'm sure you're more concerned about replying quickly than actually discussing.

>>88381254
Not what I said.

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>>88373263
Loving this!

>>88375149
As a human child, it definitely would be awkward going to school with your furry comrades during the "your species used to rule the world" and the "your species used to eat everyone else" lessons.

>>88378958
Ehhh.

Personally, I feel like Marx is kind of a shithead, but I also feel that way on a mild scale about Dr. Mallard and he's generally well liked despite being a profiteering egotist and a mad scientist.

Having Marx as a supernatural/paranatural entity who can explain I is fine and all, but for me, he comes off as a Dr. Who-alike. This is a post-apoc story with lots of ties to the post-modern world, and it's less that he's an annoying asshole than it is he makes his introduction aboard a fantastical dirigible, appearing like he's from a steam-punk timeline with a tech level waaaaayyyy above anything even the sci-fi Endtown can compete with.

It's too much of a genre-clash.

Mallard's a mad scientist who can build robots and laser guns; that fits into the kind of post-apoc setting Endtown belongs in. Marx, as presented, belongs in a fantasy time-travel story, or if he has to be in a post-apoc story, it'd be better served if it's in Thundarr the Barbarian or Kamandi. Not a Fall-out esque setting.

>>88381318
All your replies can be summed up as "that is false, the opposite is true". You just did it again.

>>88381186
>and we don't need to. She has broken down and we fully know why she followed that trajectory.

That's not at all what I mean, though. What I mean is that we have literally not seen the character this is supposed to be about, directly, in a year. It feels like Holly was written out offscreen, like a typical soap opera copout. If a character goes out, I want to see them go out. Even Allie got more than this.

>It reflect how the other feel helpess about Holly's decision and how they couldn't haven't have a chance to talk her out of it.

The only other person there to give a fuck is Wally. Kirbee and Chic barely knew her. And sure, it works in-character that Holly would make the decision and avoid Wally because she knows he would try to talk her out of it. But all of that is backseat speculation. That's my entire problem: We've been looking at an important character moment entirely from an inferred perspective. That doesn't work for me.

>I think her change of stance relate more to the loss of her tail.

That's not what voluptuous means. It means she got bigger tits. Aaron filled her out a little compared to a year ago. And the legs of the lizards definitely changed. I think it happened during the start of Unity. Sarah was even too short to reach a shelf after she mutated, but now lizards stand as tall as regular people. It's a minor change, but it's the first thing I noticed in the way of changes. Doesn't have to mean anything, but I liked the bandy-legged look a lot better. Made them look more like lizards.

>It didn't, I have seen this phenomenon many time.

Well, I did only start reading this year, but I never told you that. But I've been reading (web)comics for a while, now. I think I can spot a change in style when it happens. And there's verifiable stuff, like how the nature of the flashback is so different from the others we have seen. I thought the others were done quite well. This one is missing a lot of the tricks Aaron used with the others.

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>>88373263

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>>88373263

The Absolute Madman!

>>88381454
No.

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>this thread

1). Stop shitposting
2). Throw money at Aaron's doctors so he doesn't fucking die
3). ???????
4). Profit.

>>88381540
Racist bunny cop is right.

>>88381403
Mallard was, at least, tempered from the annoying persona he had during Endtown's early phase, when it was still much more a humour comic. Mallard comes across as a typical mad scientist persona, but with an edge of intimidation and recklessness that fits with that.

I mean, we never saw that shit with the funny hats and the singing again.

>>88381403
>It's too much of a genre-clash.
But that's precisely what I like.

>>88381639
even the craziest scenario needs to have a base set of rules

>>88381540
>>88381593
>Stop shitposting
Agreed.
>Throw money at Aaron's doctors so he doesn't fucking die
Not that big of a fan of where the comic's going, to throw some dosh for any reason.
>???????
???????
>Profit.
Threads are still shit, wide-hips.

>>88373263
wait wut

>>88373351
This shit's gotten too meta. I'm gettin' outta here!! *tunnels through side of thread into Catalog*

>>88381678

No amount of money will save him if he doesn't start working out and taking care of himself.

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>>88381678
>???????

>being THIS new

>>88381540
>help Aaron not die

Not after this arc.

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>>88382132
>*tunnels through side of thread into Catalog*

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>>88377510
>aaron tried to hint at it in every possible way for years
He was doing the exact opposite.
Aaron tried to subtly downplay her issues in the story because Wally was trying to ignore them and the story was being relayed to readers through his perceptions.

Honestly my only issue with what happened is pic related.
Dirty trick doesn't even begin to describe it after all the auction art he did of the pair as well as what he notes here, their permanence seemed guaranteed in every regard.
I know it's not right to be upset over those things since despite all the implications in the world they never truly proved anything, but I still kind of am.
I know I'll get over it at least.

>>88382271
>Dirty trick doesn't even begin to describe it
To be fair, he did imply a few times that Holly's shortened life-span was gonna come into play.

Then there is Eye's comment, which is actually in the comic.
>she is so much like her (the teacher who Wally -killed-)
>shall I tell you how she'll die?

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>>88380786
>wrong. thta was never stated

>>88382492
Dammit, meant for >>88380945.

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>>88375614
I'm fine with it as long as it fits.
Marx showing off Holly and Wally's lives as a piece of fiction to the Endtowners comes off as something he'd do, and the Endtowner's arguing alluding to the waifufags is moderately entertaining on its own while simultaneously being a much more relatable joke to a certain group of people.
Basically, as long as the comic isn't awkward to read on its own and without being in on the truly intended joke, meta pages are great imo.