Homestuck

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It was almost perfect but then Tumblr decided

"You know what we havent done yet today? Ruined another piece of media by making a bunch of ships and not even reading the story, its fine one of the characters does it all the time, its not like that was supposed to be a joke or anything"

And then they did

>mfw

>>87889032
It had the trolls in it
/thread

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>>87889116
And then we got troll porn so we have that

>>87889032
Jade was turned into a plot device, and Hussie didn't even know what to do with her other than nerfing her by going Grimbark in Act 6.

Act 6 came after it

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>>87890329
I still really enjoy parts of Act 6. It's the retcon that kills me inside.

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>>87890421
Also the villains they build up for the ENTIRE COMIC that do nothing or just get decapitated and then cucked by themselves

>>87890091
>you will never have a moth vampire gf
Why does rose get her? For not playing the rain?

>>87890820
rose gets her because MOTHERFUCKING. SHENANIGANS.

>>87890820
>Why does rose get her?
Hussie needed to pander to the tumblr fujoshits.

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>>87890600
>Spades Slick never saw Karkat again
>Spades Slick never got to help even ONCE in killing LE, not even giving the main characters something like the voodoo doll
>The way they killed LE wasn't even exploiting the space/time continuum at all, it was an extremely straightforward macguffin that won the fight

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>>87890600
>Villans

Spades Slick Deserved Better

English Slick was very underwhelming and boring as fuck

Jack got the shittiest end and didn't even get to be fought by any of the Kids which should have been fighting him

English is killed by "Meh" Characters. Mainly Meenah who is one of the better of the Beforus Trolls. Tavros and Aradia are very "Why The Fuck are They Here" Types of characters during the Lord English Fight and then your new favorite character Vriska.

They should have had the Kids fight Jack with PM's Help. Then at the same time have the Alpha Kids and Trolls fight the Condecension

Then Deal with Spades Slick, English Slick, and English all at once with the Troll army, at that point Hussie could have made up whatever reason he wanted to have Both Slicks and English appear in the same place. After he retcons his own story, any excuse he could pull for the future is better

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>>87889237
>And then we got troll porn so we have that
You type that like it's a big no no

>>87889741
That's act 6

Her interactions with Karkat were amazing. Karkat getting smug as fuck, after Jade realized that her past dreamself was a whiny, easily confused piece of shit was one of my favorite moments

>>87893133
uh-rad-ia

>>87893133
but aradia is precious cinnamon roll for tender love, TENDER LOVE ONLY.

They exist in the same story as the current bullshit

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2 hs threads at once... Wew Lad

>>87894574
link to the other thread?

>>87894700
can't blame OP since it didn't really include any tags:

>>87871843

>>87891983
Appropriate Nightfall.

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>>87891983
It is a good thing

A really really good thing

>>87889237
>>87891983
>>87895343
I'd rather have a good comic than good porn. Much more rare.

>>87889084
Tumblr didn't write the story, Hussie did.

How would you murder Karkat?

I just want to slowly suffocate him with a pillow while I cry.

>>87893985
Cute

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>>87897193
Yes, babies often are

>>87897241
>tfw joey could have been great but will suck thanks to being written by Cohen

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>>87895386
We had both for a brief period.

Actually, it's pretty ironic that this comic was at peak popularity right as it was going to hell.
I have no clue why Act 6 caught tumblr's eye.

>>87889032
Homestuck? More like failsuck

>>87897287
It's the opposite. Tumblr had already latched onto Homestuck when Act 6 came around. At the same time that was happening, the whole SJW craze and Tumblr as a whole was getting popular.

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>>87889032
>Try to ruin Act 4 and 5 for me.

Act 6 exists

>>87897285
>could have
No, it couldn't have. Hussie is shit at making games.

>>87897287
Remember that one old idlecil pic? That was the start of the golden age of Homesmut

>>87889032
>Try to ruin Act 4 and 5 for me.

Read act 6

>>87897518
I remember a lot of idlecil pics.
which one?

>>87897628
The full color one with Jade and Rose getting fucked.
Though the one where Rose is on top of mom and they're presenting themselves to John is also hot as fuck.

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>>87896501

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>yrw

>>87897672
Rose's thin, noodly legs
Easily overpowering Rose when she tries to fight back because she's a thin stick

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John is sad. Say something that will cheer him up!

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>>87897934

>>87897941
Jeez, what a pottymouth

Bro did nothing wrong

>>87898178
He didn't raise Dave with enough love and tried to throw him off the roof as a baby

>>87898210
> tried to throw him off the roof as a baby

Was bro a muslim?

>>87898210
And Dave will abuse his own puppy and treat them even worse. So sad.

>>87898447
Hasnt dave only killed like three people total, all of them at once, two of them being villians

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>>87898447
Dave will be a good dogfather.

>>87898547
Man I remember this artist back from 2010. Surprised they made it to 2015.

>>87898679
Did any early artists really make it to the end? Or did Hussie really drive away everyone with any sense

>>87898759
I'm sure some of the original art team.

What's abortedslunk up to these days?

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>>87898805
Art team, especially ones that are now official WP employees, really don't count. That's their job.

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>>87898805
was slunk the puke fetish artist or the march eridan one?

>>87898876
March Eridan, squidbiscuit is the one you're thinking of, and they never were the art team.

>>87898842
the original art team didn't really get paid iirc

>>87899043
Yeah because they liked the comic. If they're still sticking around and are paid (being part of WP), that doesn't really count.

>>87898759

trying to draw homestuck fanart is like trying to make a fine thanksgiving roast but everything to pair the bird with is a wobbly pale imitation and your only other option is to pull stuff out of the cupboard from 5 years ago

>>87899127
Just settle for KFC. Just reassemble existing panels.

>>87898805
>I'm sure some of the original art team

Haha, no.

>>87889032
kanaya not dying when she was killed was pretty dumb, as was the idea of "dream bubbles"

other than that everything was top-notch tho

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http://www.lorenhernandez.com/puzzlestuck/

This thing is out I guess.

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>>87899529
Murderstuck genuinely was where the comic started to go bad, looking back

>>87899677
murderstuck was incredible apart from those two points though

>>87899700
I disagree.

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>>87899529
How about a whole nother fucking set of characters?

I vaguely remember the main characters getting god powers or some shit and the trolls getting decapitated by clown boy, how far behind am I?

>>87889032
>Try to ruin Act 4 and 5 for me.
dream bubbles

>>87899894
somewhere in the latter part of act 5, so at least 5 years behind

>>87899823
>image
kind of weird how genre-blind dave is in a universe where everyone's destiny is engineered by an omniscient entity to fit into various mythological roles

>>87899894
That's about the halfway point of the comic but also pretty close to the end of the good part.

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>>87897672
I'm sure we all do.

>>87899630
It's a thing, certainly.

Daily reminder that people hated Roxy and Johnroxy before the credits.

>>87899529
Chainsaw Kanaya is too awesome not to happen though.

>>87898510
>Implying Dirk isn't a villain.

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is this game out yet?

>>87900385
John should have gotten Rose pregnant. So very, very pregnant.

>>87898310
I can't believe Dave was showing signs of homosexuality even as a baby.

>>87900472
she was too busy fucking turtle monsters

>>87900489
You're never to busy to get bred by a Prospit kid.

>>87900398
Kanaya had a chainsaw before she didn't die. She used it to saw Tavros's legs off, as well as a weapon in the game.

>>87900459
>>87899630

the god tier stuff was bullshit too
the characters got dumb outfits and arbitrary magic powers and incoherent immortality

>>87900398
she used the chainsaw plenty before she went vampire mode

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>>87900459
read the fucking thread
>>87899630

>>87900472
That's clearly Kanaya's job now.

>>87899529
Dreambubbles were more misused, not really inherently dumb. Kanaya should have totally died though.
>>87900398
No. It was fucking stupid.

>>87900498
this breeding meme is some cringy shit to be honest

>>87900524
That's nice.

>>87900517
>This faggot's back now.

>>87900517
Well Kanaya should be fired from her job.

>>87900514
God Tiers did nothing wrong.
>arbitrary
In what sense?
>incoherent
A bit convoluted but not completely incoherent.

>>87900472
>Rose "Hotpocket fuckup" Lalonde
>pregnant

HAHAHAHA

>>87899529
Not just Kanaya not dying but her being a rainbow drinker not having significant consequences beyond that too.

>>87900652
Is this implying she's infertile?

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I'm under the impression that andrew is sam hyde's doomed self

>>87900587
arbitrary in the sense that some characters are just magically blessed with powers for no other reason than because skaia said so. The "good" kinds of powers are the ones that emerge in logical but unexpected ways from established mechanics, such as alchemy (time tables), prototyping (davesprite), or ectobiology (bec & doc scratch)

the "heroic/just" system was internally consistent for about five seconds before it degenerated into "I can kill or resurrect these characters for cheap drama at any time that is convenient for me"

>>87900765
Well, the powers came from the classpects and the sacrificial slabs and shit. Seems fair enough.

When did it lose its consistency?

>>87900744
What are the similarities?

California shouldn't have had some sister he shares a body with. That inherently gave him a weakness. He was supposed to be defeated only by crazy exploits in the game, not because of his own species biology.

>>87900863
Fuck, Caliborn*. Damn spellcheck. Yes I'm on mobile.

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>>87900863
>California

>>87900802
>When did it lose its consistency?
depending on your tolerance for asspulls, either vriska's death or Game Over

god tier immortality didn't ever come into play in the interim

>>87900863
That's not really a weakness? It didn't really lead directly to his defeat either?

>>87900920
How were those asspulls? They both make sense with the rules given.

>>87900966
Game Over wasn't an asspull, it was just a straight-up contradiction

the asspull was vriska's clock

>>87900998
What? How? I don't understand your logic.

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Name the biggest plot hole in homestuck.

>Lord English is rooted in so many causal loops and plot points that the story revolves around his very being
>Turns out Caliborn becomes Lord English in the retcon timeline which retroactively makes all previous causal loops tied to his creation moot and nonsensical
>This also nullies the 'Glitch in paradox space' argument for why he was beaten as he should have foreseen this in the retcon timeline if it was his jumping point

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>>87900863
> California

>>87901011
because the clock was only revealed after vriska's death to justify her immortality not getting triggered despite the death being morally ambiguous

it was an additional rule that was not foreshadowed in any way so there was no way that the reader could be made aware of it, hence I'm calling it an asspull

>>87901066
How was the death morally ambiguous? She was about to lead to the deaths of at least two other people for no real reason.

How was Game Over a contradiction?

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>>87901020
I still don't know where jade's breeding-duties frog was sendificated from. It just showed up as the second-half of a teleport, but I don't remember where the first half of the teleport happened, if we saw it at all.

>>87901109
>She was about to lead to the deaths of at least two other people for no real reason.
if you aren't going to be at least as charitable as the author himself then why should we have this discussion

>>87901149
OK, Anon, she was going to lead to the deaths of at least two people to defeat Bec. It's still a plan leading to senseless death when there could be alternatives. Also, she just murdered Tavros.

>>87900682
We don't know, she's never been allowed to try

>>87901177
hussie specifically wrote the death to be ambiguous
this is not up for debate

>>87901216
But wouldn't it be fair to for the clock to judge it as Just? It's essentially a life for two.

>>87901131
Nobody knows. The shiny frog's origin was never shown barring some ludicrously well hidden easter egg.

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>>87901247
>barring some ludicrously well hidden easter egg.

>>87901245
not really
first of all, if you want to make that kind of utilitarian argument then "one life for two" is still a gross oversimplification, since vriska could potentially save billions of lives by defeating jack

second of all, we have Word of Huss that the god's intent is a factor in how they are judged, so it's not pure utilitarianism from the perspective of some omniscient entity that values life of some sort

>>87901338
Again, we don't really know how exactly the clock works and its judgement could be whatever. It could take into account only the three lives?

Well, you could make the argument that Vriska was on a powertrip and wasn't really doing it for the good of anybody.

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Finally getting back to reading again, and holy shit is Gamzee terrifying. A lot of what's going to happen has already been spoiled for me due to how the internet works, but it's a little different reading/experiencing it firsthand.

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>>87899630
it's really missing music.
I'm listening to radio.skaia.net to fill the silence.

>>87901398
You sound like a pussy.

>>87901394
>we don't really know how exactly the clock works and its judgement could be whatever.
and that's really the crux of the problem
the ethical framework that the clock uses to judge is opaque so in practice it just shakes out as "I need this character to die for storytelling reasons so I'll shit out a flimsy excuse for why the death is considered just"

it's a dumb system because it doesn't have clearly defined rules, so everything it decides is indistinguishable from as if it decided things arbitrarily

>>87901428
>fighting Aradia
But why

>>87901465
I would never say it becomes inconsistent or ass pull-y though. Every Just seems to have some internal form of logic and it never seems to contradict itself no matter how vague it is.

It's irritating, yes, but I don't think it's an outright shitty thing.

>>87901475
Meme characters must die.

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>>87901475
Gotta defeat characters to add them to your party.

>>87901501
of course a single data point is consistent with itself, but there's no common thread between them, and in spite of having this stupidly complex resurrection system, the immortality effect is only actually triggered once, with extremely flimsy justification

if you remove god tier immortality from homestuck, you lose basically nothing and gain back a lot. I mean, shit, it's not like there's a dearth of bullshit resurrections in homestuck

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TIME
TO LEAVE THEM ALL
BE-
HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIND

>>87901659
The thread is pretty simple, I guess, it's intentions like Hussie said. The immortality effect didn't have flimsy justification at all?

I agree with this though.

>>87901659
>>87901694
But then, again, the resurrection system could have been really cool and unique.

>>87900863
Don't forget that Caliborn is a player as well and had obstacles to overcome in becoming the Big Bad, which he totally did. Nothing about his biology hindered him in his path to glory. He's literally the greatest player in the story. And best character.

>>87901753
>had obstacles to overcome in becoming the Big Bad, which he totally did
???

Well, you could say his lack of cooperation with sister hindered him which is why he needed weird bullshit to win.

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>>87901694
It's explicitly NOT just intentions. It's whatever Hussie needs it to be at any given moment.

>>87901753
He was mentally handicapped.

>>87901838
But that's not Just. Maybe Heroic is action and Just is intent?

>>87901868
you could argue that god tier immortality only triggers when you're holding a hammer and you'd be just as correct

>>87901885
Anon, don't get snarky with me. That paragraph was specifically about Heroism.

So its confirmed Huss gave up on the comic and sold it to some random sjw cuck?

If he stopepd caring why I should care?

>>87899823
>how genre-blind dave is
I don't understand.

>>87901908
I'm saying you're trying to declare a rule that hasn't been explicitly stated and has no foreshadowing. The only evidence you have is that it fits the available data, but so does holding a hammer.

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>>87901909
The post-credits story is just a Paradox Space story. It's fanfiction that hijacked the official snapchat.

>>87901943
But I have multiple examples with Vriska, Aranea, and Jane and you only have one. Also, that's silly.

>>87901636
arabia mod when

>>87901916 was meant to >>87900231

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>>87901020
Why and how did a man renowned for the coherence and intricacies of causal timeloops fuck up his story this bad

>>87901967
Do you have any examples of a character surviving with heroic intent but villainous actions? This is very clearly an asspull, the exact reason why the judgement system is shit.

>>87901885
You're forgetting Jake though. Clearly the key is rectangular glasses.

>>87902017
Anon, it's not an asspull, it's just trying to reason with what we have. Hussie even said it was about intent. It's not THAT bad either.

>>87901992
I meant he doesn't realize he's a character in a story, like a genre-savvy character might

>>87902050
It is an asspull. It's dumb to separately judge heroism on action and villainy on intent. No one would come up with a system like that unless they needed to devise something to fit the data after the fact. It is 100% retroactive justification, hence an asspull.

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>>87899630
first good community project I've seen since the forums kicked the bucket.

Caliborn, Meenah, and Jane are the only good characters introduced after Act 5

>>87902081
I mean, it fits the parallelism theme? And why are you so against this thing? What death really got your panties in a bunch?

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>>87902104
I have a soft spot for jane but she's essentially a non-character.

>>87902104
>Meenah
>Jane
Is this bait?

>>87902127
Don't pull that shit with me. I'm arguing that the system never should have existed in the first place. It's a matter of homestuck having 100 different ways to resurrect characters, limiting the dramatic weight of character death, and god tier resurrection is the most poorly thought out of them all.

>>87902159
I mean, it only happened once anyway. It could have been cool.

>>87902141
Jane was great in a6a6a5, as crockertier, and in her conversations with Dirk; that's enough to be "good", as far as I'm concerned

Shame we got the ending we did; she should have been a much more major character in the endgame. She could have been a good "actual" leader to contrast with Karkat and John's stations as team moral supports, but instead we got Vriska who was a bad "actual" leader but was treated by the comic as doing nothing wrong. She could have also done anything whatsoever relevant to the Condesce plot.

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>>87902104
>not liking dirk
>not liking roxy
>not liking jake
>liking jane

>>87902260
>Jane was great in a6a6a5, as crockertier
>Liking "LOL EVIL" Jane
>Not liking Dirk.
Wow, man.

>>87902260
Why the fuck would Jane be the leader? I swear, half of these fan endings just feel like "i want my favorite character to be the super coolest!!!"

>>87902289
I don't get why hating Roxy became the biggest meme after the end. She was fucking great.

>>87902289
>Roxy
>Good.

>>87902318
>I don't get why hating Roxy became the biggest meme after the end
because calliope is a toxic influence and ruins everything she touches

>>87902289
Roxy, John, Terezi, caliborn and MAYBE Dirk are the only good characters by the end of the story. Honourable mentions to friends lost in battle: Dave, Rose, MAYBE Karkat and Jade

>>87902318
because people are butthurt that Roxygen was sunk at the end of the comic.

At least I'm butthurt about that.

>>87902318
Hating Roxy isn't a meme. It's good tastes.

>>87900385
>>87902354
>>87902341
Wipe this meme off the face of the planet.

>>87902318
Because this guy wouldn't stop making the same posts over and over >>87902331

>>87902331
SNAPCHAT ISN'T CANON.

>>87902354
Well, her and John get ruined is bad but even her platonic abandonment of a depressed John is shit. Her giving it all up to fuck a pre-teen skeleton is worse and eagerly sharing that skeleton is a degree worse again

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Would you?

>>87902380
>Implying I'm the only guy.

>>87902393
>>87900385

>>87902393
Roxygen was shit.

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less bickering more robots

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is karkat still shit........?

>>87902393
alternate dark and gritty telling of homestuck where roxy has no concept of sexual consent because was raised by carapaces so she runs a child sex ring in the new world

>>87902405
yeah...

>People here would unironically like Johnroxy being canon.
>People here would unironically like a meme ship as long as John gets with someone.
Pathetic.

>>87902474
all roxy ships are shit
so are all terezi ships
the only good john ship is vriska

>>87902496
>Vriska
Fuck off

>>87902496
the John Vriska ship is cannon though. John dumped her.

>>87902531
no you fuck off with your safe unoffensive flippant shit

>>87902427
Literal rap battles with stakes and fighting are so dumb, they become the coolest thing ever.

>>87902575
John and Tavros btfo'd her, you fucking JohnVris shipper

Hussie even made a fucking update for you with her and alt John

fuck oldfag shippers

>>87902598
>Implying oldfag ships aren't best ships.

>>87902393
I honestly can't count anything of the epilogue as worth counting towards their character. Everyone has essentially been assassinated by the credits but at the very least Roxy was consistently great before it all happened. Everyone in this series is a casualty now.

>>87902598
oh please, like hussie deciding to destroy a ship means anything

>>87902393
>SNAPCHAT ISN'T CANON.
are you a fucking retard?

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>>87902582

>>87902598
Why do I feel like there is just one guy who calls people oldfag shippers

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>vriskafags are still a thing

>>87901636
Aradia looks thick

>>87902617
>very least Roxy was consistently great
What's it like having shit tastes?

>>87902349
>Jade
she did like nothing at all in the entire comic? just a mary sue with no personality really.

>>87902617
>at the very least Roxy was consistently great before it all happened
why would you say that
she doesn't have any memorable quotes or anything
she's just extremely saccharine and willing to touch a deformed, mentally unstable child sexually

>>87902428
Always and forever

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>>87902676
nice question mark you got there son

>>87902676
>did like nothing at all
>just a mary sue

>>87902716
This.

>>87902657
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAxqSr5QnCs

>>87902683
Homestuck doesn't really have great writing. I don't see why having memorable quotes is a marker of a fine character here.

>>87902744
I don't see any value in archetypes alone. No one is denying that Roxy is virtuous, but that by itself isn't very interesting and she doesn't have much complexity beyond that. As bad as Dave and Karkat got at after the retcont, at least they still have some really clever and funny lines, and I value that a lot more than any of the meaningless platitudes that come out of Roxy.

>>87902405
Sure, yeah whatever. We all have our own HS waifus. But Rose is the

one who watches everyone, constantly judging and making observations,

and she happens to notice you staring a little too intently at

whatever your pick is.

She coyly points out to you how weird it is for a guy your age to be

looking at younger girls. You bluster and stumble, she grins, already

aware of what excuses you're trying to tell. Rose threatens to tell,

ruining the trust with the girl and everyone else. You object, a

rhetorical question asking if she's blackmailing you. Her eyes narrow

and she smiles, hitching up her skirt ever so slightly.

>>87902744
Homestuck did have great writing and memorable lines though. Especially since all Roxyfags have to defend her is "lol she's funny"

>>87902899
This filename is even shittier than the last. Where's my "prospit tower", man?

>>87902814
what the fuck

>>87896350
and tumblr influenced it

with shit like what happened with "peachy" you cannot even try to argue that tumblr had no influence whatsoever on homestuck

especially when "peachy" was explained as not a response to tumblrina overreaction, but mean internet trolls using it to hurt tumblr's feelings. at that point, hussie was very obviously taking the tumblr fanbase and running with it at the expense of his original audience

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>unironic JohnVriska shippers, because they love John losing his personality and only listening to Vriska
>unironic JohnRoxy shippers who are still butthurt that she fucks a skeleton and not him

Fucking lol. Every time I hear someone complaining about JohnRoxy and Johnrezi, it's an obvious as fuck JohnVris shipper.

>>87902428
ALWAYS
AND
FOREVER

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>>87902912
Nobody is going to use your shitty filename

>>87902925
>Says that people who complain about Johnroxy are Johnvris shippers.
>Complains about Johnroxy in the same post.
Um, Anon......?

>>87902923
It's entirely Hussie's fault for caving into them, and no one else's.

>>87902946
Why is it shitty? I worked very hard on it. :(

>>87902814
Would you believe I've seen this loads of times without noticing the context of those shirts?

>>87902925
trying too hard, man
focus your fire

>>87902955
Its hussie's fault for shitting on his artistic integrity in order to cater to an audience that pays him more, but that doesnt mean tumblr's shitty taste didn't ruin homestuck by having hussie orient it towards them

"How Homestuck could have been better" gets boring. Can you imagine alternative ways in which Homestuck could have gone wrong? Bonus points for not outlandish but somehow worse than what we got.

>>87902995
Calliope replaces Vriska is in Vriskagram.

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>>87902950
>I can't read for shit

>>87902985
I don't even need to try hard, the majority here have JohnVris as their OTP. It's like you are asking Leddit to keep making fun of you fuckers.

>>87902995
instead of getting all the hamfisted morals about heterosexuality and ultimate selves, we could have had andrew completely abandon character writing post-retcon

We'd probably prefer that now, in hindsight, but if that was what he actually did there'd be a lot of backlash

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why are these threads so fucking bad?
you fags are either depressed as fuck or shitposting.

its always the same fucking shit with you fucks.


i just finished reading btw, was retarded and i fucking hated it but whatever.
hopefully the epilogue will cover the good stuff about caliborn and lord english final defeat and shit.

>>87902993
>youll never lick the sweat off jades abs
why even live

>>87903028
are you really invoking le reddit boogeyman over homestuck shipping?

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>>87902946
>fangs

>>87903045
homestuck threads were only ever good on /co/ from late 2013 - early 2015

it was the gap from HSG being banned to the beginning of /hst/'s identity. it was a good time

>>87903045
hey man, I just started coming back to these threads after not browsing them since july.

>>87903063
Jade will bite your dick off

>>87903043
what do you mean by "abandon character writing"?
Just having no dialogues or what?

>>87903028
>>I can't read for shit
>Unironic Johnroxy shippers
>Shitalking Johnroxy is Johnvris shippers
What did h mean by this?

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>it's an "artist draws one of the kids black" episode

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>wikifags still haven't made a page for the crowbar
>only item to rival lil cal in importance and the timeline still isn't clearly outlined for convenience

everytime I run it through in my head I get tripped up by some minor detail. maybe it's time for a re-read

>>87903103
>making fun of shippers is the same as complaining about the ship

What did he mean by this?

>>87903122
Isn't it essentially the same thing, Anon?

>>87903115
>only item to rival lil cal in importance and the timeline still isn't clearly outlined for convenience
Because the crowbar's timeline doesn't make any sense. The retcon created a huge plothole there.

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should i read nightfall?

>>87903150
No, you butthurt JohnVris shipper lmao

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>>87889032
>Try to ruin Act 4 and 5 for me.
Act 6 shits all over everything they built up, and in retrospect defeat the purpose of the entire comic. Nothing you were anxiously awaiting to get resolved from acts 1-5 actually happens in an acceptable fashion. You literally wasted your time caring about a story that goes nowhere except down the drain.

>>87903158
No.

>>87903154
did the retcon do anything right

>>87903166
But I'm not a Johnvris fag, dummy.

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are you attracted to this cherub, /co/?

>>87903167
Wow, it's that one reply that got posted 30 times already in this thread. You're so creative and funny, Anon.

>>87903178
why

Which one is worse?

>Hussie revives Karezi and JohnVris post-retcon for no reason
OR
>Hussie makes Davekat canon, but gives John a threesome ending with the Scourge Sister to piss off Tumblr for wanting their meme ship badly and Karkatfans commit suicide again
OR
>Homestuck Act 8

>>87903181
No, it didn't.

>>87903236
Davekat
Always Davekat

>>87903236
First two, duh. Shipping is cancer.

>>87903236
>shippings
>worst than another act

>>87903236
>Homestuck Act 8
are we talking about an official new act or that fan adventure

>>87903236
Davekat is always the worse

>>87903236
The first one. I'd be down for the other two just to see how deep the rabbit hole goes. It would be better than snap chat at least.

>>87903220
>>87903115
how did the crowbar get there anyway. wouldn't there be two crowbars in one instance because of the one jack had (despite being the same crowbar but not really because of the retcon)

the one juju rule should still apply right?

>>87903236
How is the first one bad?

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I have a chainsaw now.

>>87903267
Hussie redemption arc when?

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>>87903236
what did they do to make karkat/davekat so universally reviled? i havent read in like two years and i always kind of liked karkat

>>87903236
Davekat is the worst option, the first one is okay/good, and the second one is just meh.

>>87903345
You should check the last thread. People keep arguing how deep and complex Dave's arc is for being in a gay relationship. But what about Karkat? Davekat fans don't give a fuck about him.

>>87903301
The way I THINK it was supposed to work out, the crowbar would have no point of origin, like Lil' Cal.

Slick loses the crowbar in the dream bubbles -> Gamzee finds it and takes it to the alpha session -> It, along with Gamzee, gets swallowed up by Union Jack's black hole -> Gamzee gives it to Caliborn who gives it to Crowbar -> Crowbar holds onto it until Slick takes it from him -> Slick loses it in the dream bubbles

But Gamzee removes the crowbar from the dream bubbles, and then the crowbar is erased by the retcon. Dream bubbles are permanent, not affected by the retcon, so the crowbar was essentially removed from existence.

>>87903343
NEVER

EVER

>>87903560
What if he gets a new dad?

>>87903236
First one is disappointing, but fits with Hussie's subversion bullshit for enduring all the drama for no reason.

Second one wins, because fuck Davekat.

Third one is actually okay if Hussie is trying to fix and polish some flaws he made.

lol the new writer's twitter is nothing but a twitter meltdown over trump

are you ready for hiveswap to really double down on gender identity?

>>87903626
I can't wait for Joey to be trans.

>>87903236

Act 8, no question.

>>87903639
Plot twist: hussie is trans, trump becomes the final boss

why is roxy allowed to have this much defense?

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let's play a game: let's trigger /hst/ with up to three words.

roxy was good.

>>87903387
i just remembered that huge moment where kurloz has the crowbar and how important that was

except it wasnt

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Psi's portrait is kind of funny.

>>87903872
was karkat relevant?

>>87903872
No that's fine. She WAS good. I grieve every time I get sucked into one of these threads. God bless her.

>>87903869
She used training exploits.

>>87903869
>>87903938
Is this 'game' good?

>>87903920
is she waifu material
>>87903900
>be euro
>the game's out on 24th for me
At least I can start with whatever combination I want.

literally shipping game: you can start with davekat or rosemarried or johnvris or whatever ship you have up your ass that involves beta kid+beta troll

>>87903994
it's just puzzle & dragon with homestuck characters

>>87904021
You mean Puzzle Quest, right?

what the fuck is Puzzle & Dragon

>>87904021
Is that 'game' good?

>>87904013
is indicates a current state. In which case, no.

>>87904047
WAS she waifu material? let's pretend roxy/calliope is not a thing. she wanted to mack john's ass after all.

>>87904116
She may have been worthy of best girl. Rather than that being relativistic, best girls are a criterion as opposed to a ranking.
Bestgirl contender (potentially multiple) -> best girl (one per series/itteration)-> waifu contender (potentially multiple) -> waifu (one per laifu)

As you can see she was on the ladder but had room to grow. Getting ruined then shat on halted that potential, obviously.

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Hrm.

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>>87904034
It's Korean Puzzle Quest for smartphones. You could get members for your party by defeating them, and they were usually oversexed versions of mythical figures.

Puzzlestuck: huh so there's a point to the 12 troll planets.

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Andrew Hussie is a self-loathing betacuck numale whose been emotionally castrated by Halftruth and literally castrated by IPGD. All of his friends and employees are SJWs who demonize men and it comes through in his writing of all male Homestuck characters been wimpy and emotionally broken and the female characters as strong independent women who don't need no man.

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>>87904220
Guess I beat the potato face out of her.

>>87902968
Yes, because I've only now just recognized those shirts as well.

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Who the fuck is that guy in the background?

>not even Will fucking Smith

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>>87904263
Dude. Get help elsewhere. 4chan is not your group therapy session.

>>87904865
gayer

GAYER

so what's everyone doing for tomorrow

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>>87904875
I had to physically tear my computer apart to find this image. Literally. I hope you're happy.

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>>87904865
Sure, it's legal, but it's super gross and frowned upon.

>>87905012
Wow that brings back memories, thank you

Why literally, was eri just sort of hangin out behind the tower or something

>>87904978
Having a birthday and hanging out with family which I don't hate, the second of which is apparently really uncommon for Americans

>>87905049
>the second of which is apparently really uncommon for Americans

?

Why does Equius love Aradia so much?

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>>87905030
Yes, eri is a rascally little scallywag, always fucking around on my motherboard and shit.

>>87905069
From what I've heard, people get together with family they hate and family that hates them to tell each other that they're thankful to have them, which baffles me. If neither party wants to be there or enjoys the company of the other, I don't get why they force themselves to have dinner with each other.

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>>87905099
he knows Ara has the best pussy

>>87905099
Have you seen her?

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>>87905099

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>>87902657
The resurgence has happened. Join us.

>>87903345
"Toxic masculinity".

Also the implication that his current girlfriend talked him into it for fujo points. And generally Dave walking away from his heroic nature to be sad on the meteor to the point where fucking John had to do time shit to save the day.

>>87905196
IPGD didn't ship davekat, she shipped stridercest and liked the idea of davejade.

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>>87905099

>>87903345
Dave stopped being likable and went on a huge, unfunny tirade about how he used to cover up gay feelings by making fun of homosexuality. And considering he and Karkat never talked again, that conversation came to define their relationship, because that piece of shit moment of ham handed melodrama and out of place morality lessons is all we have to go on.

It would have been fine if Dave had just said he was in the homosex with Karkat, make a few jokes with their character interaction, which we've seen is super fucking easy, and bam, done. Instead Dave was ruined and Karkat made irrelevant.

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>>87905220
Been a year. Wonder what she thinks now.

>>87905277
>been a year
what

>>87905220
She seemed to hate Davejade pretty well

>>87905276
Don't forget he then later flirts with and is teased with other characters. Hussie didn't even commit to Davekat.

>>87905012
https://youtu.be/LIcD5FLY61Y

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This is just not even thicc anymore, this is just unhealthy

>>87905374
Jade at MOST should be voluptuous. Of the four human girls, only Jane can be up to thicc. Thems the rules.

>>87905099
The same reason /pol/ has jungle fever

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>>87905099

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>>87905276
>ham handed melodrama and out of place morality lessons
how can the quality of an author's work degenerate so much so quickly

>>87905150
Any Homestuck characters who actually mastrubate to Vriska other than Terezi and Kanaya?

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>>87905472

>>87905472
eridan, karkat, tavros would if he could

Remember that time Vriska had a good ending to her character arc and then Hussie undid that?

>>87905494
>Eridan
Already fucked her

>Tavros
Never sexually interacted with Vriska until they became both dreambubble ghosts

Only post-retcon Karkat is the poor guy who mastrubates to Vriska's fat spiderass.

>>87905524
no
getting stabbed by terezi was not a good end to her character arc

>>87905534
look man if tavros had any feeling in his groin area you can bet your bottom dollar that he would've started choking the chicken at the next available opportunity after vriska kissed him

he'd never admit it but he'd do it all the same

>>87905540
Yes it was because it removed her from the story.

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>>87905472
Karkat, Tavros, John (got to do something to kill time for 3 years), Aradia, Eridan, maybe Equius on occasion.

>>87905524
You can definitely move on from a firm conclusion to character arc. You just have to move on and explore the repercussions of the previous arc, instead of wiping out everything the previous arc accomplished because "lol, aren't timeskips and retcons great narrative devices?"

>>87905419
How are we defining this

>>87905540
>There are people who think this.

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>>87905614
Even this is too far.

>>87905681
jade's super athletic, she should be almost boyish in figure