Weekend /co/ creation thread

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Last thread:

-Lovely Ladybug comic WIPs
-More GG script ideas being worked out
-Still re-working the seasons girls
-Trying to get a story going for Bees Knees from origin to established hero
-New pics
-Other stuff

Golden Girl thread on /aco/ >>>/aco/974754

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Looks like it's going to be yet another difficult thread to keep up.

>>87789338
>-Still re-working the seasons girls

Was thinking about that. I did like the idea that they just formed the team themselves and the Seasonal structure was mostly arbitrary.

The idea was that one of them was raised in a coven of Witches, and that they leave them (with the coven becoming personal antagonists to them) to join the other girls. They could be either Fall or Spring. I was thinking they could have a magical style very much like a TES alchemist, or magic from Ultima, where it comes from mixing reagents. So she'd have all sorts of pouches and bags about her person. This could even tie in to her being Fall in that its the season of change (her leaving her old life behind) as well as harvest (her using harvested 'crops' for her spells).

And I remember an idea from the start that one of them was almost like a bard. It could even be a twist that they are not the flowery harp-strummer you'd think and that they're very battle-ready, with their bardishness coming through in them seeing their duty and their forming of a team more as a living epic poem than a superhero team.

Not sure about the giant horned one, but I'm sure everything but strength was a dump stat.

>>87791066
>I did like the idea that they just formed the team themselves and the Seasonal structure was mostly arbitrary.

That puts a damper on the original plan for making them, which was to flesh out Britainment. The question becomes what you get out of it? What does it add to their narrative that offsets losing the connection of being the most recent in an ancient line?

>>87791318
They can still be part of Britainment, but I think the whole "ancient line" thing gets a little weird. I do love that whole Celto-Germanic style that it's going for, but it all seems strange when you factor in the Christianity "burn the witch" thing.

Unless they're a reawakening after The Bad Thing That Happened.

>>87791318
I don't think they're necessary for fleshing out Britainment; we have a bunch of characters in that already, we just have to start using what we already have for stories.

>>87791377
I think a reawakening would be the better option to explain why they're so inept.

There was no one around to teach them since the magic dried up and the lines faded out.

Also, we did come up with an explicit reason and cause for the thing that happened, but I don't think we bothered to save it anywhere.

>>87793976
If I remember, something breached through Hank's portal in a way that basically pulled the portal through itself. This created a snapback which caused a widerange split-second magical inversion. Erin's group trying to summon a demon inverted into a spell that launched her out of this realm, ancient seals designed to capture and contain dreadful powers bellowed them out instead, and the heavy duty enchantments designed to protect and reinforce the QQ's facilities utterly destroyed them. Even the spell set in place to hide the wandering country briefly turned into a beacon, not only revealing it but spotlighting it too. Also as a result, Hank's portal became a barrier preventing entry into the main realm, hence Erin's ordeals.

This flooded /coc/ Europe with enough magic energy to ignite a new age.

>>87796407
The thing that sort've bothers me is this wouldn't push back culture or remove technology, but for some reason everyone pitching ideas for it seems to think it regressed things back to the middle ages.

If anything we now have a setting of technologically advanced humans who all of a sudden got a shot of magic into their world. The first thing the smart people would do is start studying it and rigorously defining it until it was a science by conventional definition.

The conflict would come from any old magical types who were still sticking it out and got a second wind from the magic fallout. They'd try to reclaim lost glory and that'd put them into conflict with the modern world and how it would compartmentalize and commercialize this new flood of magic.

So we have Britainment, a group who spent all this time locking up the most dangerous magical bullshit, now forced into a diplomacy role almost between magically inclined people/phenomenon and the modern world that was built with the absence of magic.

Magic should be able to feed off of science and visa versa to make something even better than the sum of the parts. This would put Europe as the new power capital of the world and cause all kinds of problems for the political landscape of the world.

>>87796832
Did you miss the "dreadful powers being released" part? For every positive aspect to the revival, there's some pretty big negatives. They're not really in a position to leverage their newfound resources because dragons have been making the commute to work a bit rough lately.

>>87797090
Did you not see that I said it did not remove their technology?

War helicopters, fighter jets, and missiles VS dragons.

It'd be rough for the first few months, but after that the "dreadful powers" would learn that humans can be quite dreadful themselves when left to their own devices for as along as they have been.

The setting seems to mostly take place a while after the magic fallout happens, so the science people would just be starting to sink their teeth into picking apart all the mysticism. That's Springtime's whole deal.

>>87797198
You're assuming there's no Magic must defeat Magic nonsense going on. What's a fighter jet going to do against a dragon that is also a ghost?

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>>87797366
Why would I want magic must defeat magic? You assume that this is powerful old magic.

Having people pour in firepower until it works is far more entertaining. Then they realize it's not cost effective and begin investing in magical solutions, which creates market opportunities for old wizards to gain power in society.

But the thing is, most of the time gun beats wizard, which prevents them from inflating their prices too much or demanding soul sacrifices.

So this is where Basement Wizard finds his niche: he enchants bullets. We established this already, but now we have a reason for it.

Now your argument out what's a fighter jet going to do to a dragon comes to a stop since all the bullets are now enchanted and all the missiles are magic anti-dragon missiles.

Now the dragon is right fucked. What's he gonna do, let the humans kill him? No, he's a fucking dragon, he's smarter than that, he instead surrenders and because humans have laws they have to stop attacking him.
Now the dragon is working for Britainment as their accountant.

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>>87797584
So now they've got a wizard to make the equipment they already have effective and a dragon to keep track of the fiances so the wizard can't overcharge for the magic.

If the dragon is really clever, he asks the humans how much they paid the wizard to enchant their stuff and that's how he gets hired on.

>>87797198
The issue with this line of thinking is that it starts talk about why there's no guns in the Harry Potter setting.

It's perfectly valid, but also not really related to what the setting is all about.

In my mind I see it as being late 70s, early 80s in terms of technology, and year one Hogwarts in terms of magic. Not very adept at either, but at the same time not having one overshadowing the other.

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>>87797584
See, this is the flaw with too much technology. I really dislike how it puts magic in to a subservient role.

>>87797702
J.K. actually went into detail about the not guns thing.
Wizards think they are superior to muggles in every way and adopt a scarce few of the things non-magical humans have innovated.
They are actually culturally stagnated in every way except in the fields of medicine and a gun would defeat a wizard in the Harry Potter setting most of the time. Wizards are just too stuck in their ways to ever use them on each other.

I've often wondered what the wizards in the HP setting though of WWII and the atomic bomb.

I think the level of technology would actually be around turn of the millennium advanced. Having the magical fallout just so happen to coincide with the year 2000 would be a fun coincidence that everyone thinks too much into when it really is just a coincidence.

>>87797818
In a setting that is dominated by technology with no magic in any prominent role, the sudden injection of magic would not automatically make magic the dominant force.

My problem with magic is that it always assumes it will be the dominant force. This is something we could use in the setting:
Magic attempts to reassert itself, but it finds that it was gone so long that people have found out much faster and better ways to do things. The old magic, though still powerful, is vastly outnumbered by the new forward thinking masses.

So the magic comes back, everything magical get too big for its britches and thinks it runs the show now, then Britbongland and the rest of Europe bring the hammer down hard on them and magic now finds it must adapt.
As soon as it loses the element of surprise, magic finds itself not on the higher footing it thought it was.

That's actually fun to me. That's something I could get into.

The magic keeps pushing back and the humans keep pushing back every time the magic tries to start running the show.

>>87797584
>You assume that this is powerful old magic.

I didn't assume, that was literally in the write up.

>>87797964
The portal inverting itself isn't powerful old magic, that's just raw magic that got flooded into the continent and super charged anything that ran on magic.

So I guess some of the stuff could be powerful old magic, but the vast majority of it wouldn't be.

The most important thing is making it entertaining for yourself. So I need to ask you this now, are you finding any of this, any of what I'm saying or any of what you've said, entertaining?

>>87797956
The thing is, we're talking about magic being dominant on one tiny little rainy, grey-skied, island.

Besides, I always assumed that The Bad Thing essentially cut Britain off from the rest of the world, and when it came back its character had changed.

>>87798060
What? No, that implication I got from this conversation is that it flooded all over Europe with the British Islands just getting the worst of it since they had the most still intact old magic artifacts still lying around.

>>87798049
It kind of defeats the point of making it a magic setting if it's just a segue into the same tech SCIENCE bullshit already going on in the /coc/ USA. Making magic bullets is about as appealing as mind bullets.

>>87798225
And having magic just "magic away" everything that was already there before its resurgence is really unappealing to me.

So where do you want to go from here?

>>87798429
Just don't be so quick to say "And then everything was fine because SCIENCE saved the day". Having the answer to "big magic problem" being "We'll shoot it and if we can't shoot it then we'll make special bullets that can shoot it and now it's not an issue anymore" is pretty underwhelming. It's basically just treating magic like it's a "damage type" and they don't need to change strategies or actually face the issues, they just need weapons that do magic damage.

>>87798534
I'm just going with what I think humans would do in that situation.

There's bound to be some magic specialists who would probably come into play in some leadership position.
Skathi single handedly repelled the fare invasion of '79, but she's not exactly the type to take charge of troops and train people to become magically resistant.

Magic bullets would probably work against a dragon or a ghost, but they wouldn't do much against and auto-activating spell that inverts gravity, or makes time move at different rates, or turns the local swamp into an oil painting landscape.

Pitch me something.

>>87796832
>The first thing the smart people would do is start studying it and rigorously defining it until it was a science by conventional definition.

That's not actually doable by /co/verse magic. The reason magic fell out of favor in the /co/verse is because it's a deeply personal study that requires introspection and an understanding of how you specifically relate to magic. There aren't any words of power or formulas for spells, every single spellcaster has to figure out for themselves how they can use it. The basic shortcuts are rituals and offerings made to ancient powers that already have established abilities and know what they're doing, and the ability for a mage to create enchantments that other people can use, but if you want to learn how you yourself can cast a fireball you have to figure out how to do it on your own.

When your options are to take years of self examination and meditation to understand how to turn magic energy into fire, or just pick up a flamethrower, you can see how tech was more valuable to the progression of society.

Some, like Dr. Corson, have the ability to cheat the system in some ways, but that's personal too. If he can physically come into contact with magic, he can understand and reproduce the process that created it. He can learn magic by punching demons, basically.

>>87798659
>Magic bullets would probably work against a dragon or a ghost

I'm saying the concept of magic bullets is boring at its heart. It's a handwave.

>It's a ghost, so we can't just shoot it
>No, we can, because we have magic bullets

It's refusing to play the game, saying the tech side shouldn't have to do anything to account for what the magic side is doing, because it can just slap a thin veneer of magic on its tech and call it a day.

>>87798906
No one ever says it's a hand wave when it's a magic sword that cleaves a ghost in half.
That's just a double standard.

And that's not a pitch. I'm asking you to tell me something you'd like in a story, not something you don't like in a story. You already established you don't like magic bullets.

>>87798847
Just because someone says something isn't doable never stopped someone from doing it.

If you have a magic artifact that's doing a thing that you can't easily replicate with technology, you know it's going to get studied until someone figures out how it's doing what it does.

>>87799286
>Just because someone says something isn't doable never stopped someone from doing it.
>If you have a magic artifact that's doing a thing that you can't easily replicate with technology, you know it's going to get studied until someone figures out how it's doing what it does.

It does when that's supposed to be what makes magic actually distinct in the /co/verse. All you get from breaking that rule is a second slightly different flavor of superscience, at the cost of making everything separating magic and science purely cosmetic. It's a bad idea from a narrative point of view, in that it's wasting the conceptual division of the two elements.

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>>87799286
>No one ever says it's a hand wave when it's a magic sword that cleaves a ghost in half.
>That's just a double standard.

And? Double standards are only a problem if you're expecting fair play. The point here is that just slapping magic on a gun is a denial of the narrative conventions associated with deciding to use magic in the first place. You're not employing magic as a story element, you're doing everything you can to negate it, trivialize it, and subsidize it as just being part of the tech now.

If you allow a setting to have a freeze gun that uses science to shoot ice, and a gun that has been magically enchanted to shoot ice, you're being wasteful. It's frankly just clutter to bring magic into a story if you want it to be functionally the same as superscience. You have to roll with some of the conventions or you're just going to devalue it completely.

As for what I'd like to see, it's pretty much the complete opposite. I'd want to put focus on the contrast between tech and science, to examine the fundamental concepts between them and highlight what makes them different. Science is good at mass production, but magic is an art. The very idea of mass producing enchantments doesn't sit right with how magic should be employed in the setting.

Where science should show the strengths of numbers, working together, and building on cooperation, Magic should be a little selfish. It should be more centered around what one person can accomplish, making an example of strength of will and personal resolve.

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>>87799676
Guys, you're not suggesting anything yourselves now.
You're just picking apart everything I've said without adding anything new.

Come on.

You want magic to be an art? Build from there, paint me a mental picture of how this would work. Right now it just seems like you'd rather fight against me and what I've said rather than bring in your own ideas.

>>87799853
My pitch for the Seasons had been that it was more of an open enrollment thing than predestined. After any of the current Seasons died, her spot would open up and any woman born on the appropriate solstice or equinox would have been able to complete a ritual to be bound to the Seasonal Spirit and become the new Season. It would have been the job of the other living Seasons to guide someone worthy through the ritual and then teach them their role.

With the last generation wiped out simultaneously, Britainment would be scrambling to find four eligible women who were trustworthy and responsive to working with them. They would snag three, but Summer would instead be gotten by an independent witch with her own agenda. Being the only one with any understanding of magic, she'd be in a position to utilize her powers as the Season more effectively than the others and would be an actual threat to Britainment.

That doesn't seem to be where the consensus ended up going, but it can be recycled. Rather than a rogue Season, we have a disgruntled witch who feels she's been cheated out of her birthright by some random girl propped up by Britainment. If she could kill Summer, then the position would be open again and she could take her rightful place.

>>87804195
A witch would make an interesting reoccurring enemy for them. You never know what a witch might get up to, so she wouldn't be a one note wonder in the mayhem department.

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>>87806577

>>87808395
And our vampire bureaucrat acquires even more troublesome people.

Britainment might end up full of people like that if she's not careful.

>>87792508
What's all this then?

>>87810122
-Lovely Ladybug
-Mighty Goliath
-... Antman? Might've been drawn when that came out in theaters.
-Possibly Mighty Mantis
-Bees Knees

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Here's hoping the thread can make it through the whole weekend.

>>87808395
>giant amazon wants to drink mead and eat pork right from the bone
>but can't because it's veggie day and she's underage for drinking

>>87811710
Jeez, it's like the bites from Mighty Max cranked up to 11.

>>87811847
Who is really in the position to tell her no?

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>>87813615
Doesn't help that the vamp that bite her was jacked up on opium at the time.

>>87789338
>>87808395
This is the whitest hero team I think I've ever seen.

>>87814487
Oh, you're back.
At least one of them is Asian, so suck a dick.

>>87814782
>At least one of them is Asian

Of course they are...fucking neets

>>87816049

Bob Morane?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lee6YyA1mwc

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>>87816403
Commander Muttonchops.

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>>87814782
American "Asian" or British "Asian"?

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>>87818687

>>87819055
What precisely is the difference?

>>87820341
American "Asian" = Yellow
British "Asian" = Brown

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>eventhough his revenge was over, eventhough he has nothing to live or to die for, he refuses to just give up, he refuses to die.
>his cat like powers may be gone, all but one life may be left and now other than his face, he is no different than a normal human being, yet here he is, like a wounded animal, fighting to the very end

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>>87824945
OK, so, how does that happen?

How does he go from a hip dandy to a mad cat?

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fresh from the oven

>>87828032
This was unexpected.

But appreciated.

>>87828032

Hell yes!

>>87828032
Oh shit, is Motion getting a fight scene?

>>87828443
yeah, I've had that planned for a while but before you get your hopes up too much a lot of it is going to take place offscreen while I get around to things going on with the other characters. I think it goes pretty cool though.

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>>87827301
Making it last through the weekend at least.

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>>87830473
I fucking love /Co/ntainment.
Of all the things /co/ will never do, this is the one that hurts me the most. So hype.

>>87828032
>>87828443
Does anyone have that Motion alt. costume line-up? It had like 5 or 6 takes on her look.

>>87831278

I hope to contribute more as soon as I am done drawing other stuff. I love the little universes that /co/ comes up with.

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>>87831278
You can always go ask MC about it on his tumblr or whenever he shows up in a draw thread.

>>87831342
This one?

Imagined Shadow has done a bunch of line ups like this one.

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>>87831412
That's the one!
Damn, that anon really did improve. Their work looks better now.

Huh, I didn't know Motion was a trans character.

That seems pretty progressive for the same thread group that came up with Faggotree.

>>87831503
Motion is probably my favorite /coc/ solo character.
Character design, and powers.

>>87831503
There's actually a story behind that, but I don't think I have all the details right about it. Might open up old wounds if I try to get into the creative process that lead up to it.

It was also a bunch of years ago now, which was also before trannies became "trendy" in the medium despite them being somewhat prominent in some comics since the 90s.
Specifically I think of some members of Grant Morrison's Doom Patrol when I think "tranny superhero".

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I'm the same but with the more "magic" side of /coc/. Them Demons, boy.

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>>87831696
And for solo character, I'd got with the bondage-y villain Blackstrap.

>>87831651

I see. All the same though, I think it's kind of neat.

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Yo, was that logo sheet ever completed? I think Sageworthy was the only one left.

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>>87831748
You know, I haven't looked at Motion's wiki entry in a while.

I really should update that since how Delta came into her life has seven comic pages to explain it.

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>>87831818

>>87831792
Sageworthy Society and Cat's Cradle are the two blanks on the one I have.

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>>87831938
And that's how Motion met Delta.

Delta is probably one of the most significant additions to the Motion plot line since its creation.
Merging in the Six Feet Thunder plot line and other associated characters being another of the more significant changes for the better.

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>>87831792
The Cat's Cradle logo would probably be The Cat's Pajama's face with an axe and a cat tail crossing like a jolly roger over top of it.

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>>87830473
>>87831278
http://mcchesthair.tumblr.com/post/145491247489/heres-part-of-a-comic-of-the-containment

I mean, in all honesty, I actually find these sketchy WIP pages fine. They're way more than we usually get.

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>>87832554
And then I think MC just totally forgot about it.

>following this will be the magic guys talking about rookie after she leaves about how she saw ghosts, as mentioned in this thread, and then the other guy asks, "are there really a lot of ghosts around here? why do we have so many ghosts" and then there'll be flashbacks of all those funny muttonchop greentexts of him sending people to die.

>>87832065
Oh, I mean in general, not with MC's sweet contributions. It's like a running gag that /co/ can't finish shit.

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>>87831818
I think I posted the wrong version of the first page.

I have three different versions of the first page and I always seem to forget which one is the final take on it.

Anyway, last post from me before bed.
Maybe the thread will still be up when I wake up, maybe it won't.

bumping for your health

>>87820951
Terse, but OK.

The thing is, and I don't want to get into tokenism implications, but Marian herself is Chinese already. So having "another" might seem a little strange considering they're a real minority-of-minorities group in Britain.

Either that or we make that hilarious, official, Government plan where they wanted to literally bring the entire population of Hong Kong to Britain before they handed it to the Chinese?

>>87831651
I never like to handwave things, but wouldn't (in a comic book world) pretty much all the problems associated with being trans be totally moot? Alex could easily either SCIENCE or MAGIC "himself" into herself.

But I suppose then the question becomes philosophical: once you have your life in place do you acknowledge the past? Or do you pretend it never happened and start a whole new life with a new name and new friends?

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>>87835565
Could always make her the mixed-race child of a Gurkha.

Would certainly make the training scenes interesting.
>Dad, why does this dummy have balls?

>>87835731
Could be cool if she's the "this is all an epic poem and we're the heroes" one, so when he gives her his khukuri she sees it is a call to arms, rather than an heirloom he wants her to consider it.

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>>87835731
This actually sounds like a cool idea. Nepal is barely a country that gets mentioned, and having the "warrior" type not be either a Samurai or a Viking gives it a touch of originality that's missing a lot of the time.

>>87836010
Amp up the poetry.
>knife belonged not to her father, but her grandfather
>grandfather gives in to her father,
>"Yeah, that's great dad..."
>Sticks it in the bottom drawer for years
>Ends up being found by girl
>The past reborn
>Just like the seasonal girls themselves
>Just like magic

2pottery4me

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>>87835626
There's been something of an effort to restrict the degree to which SCIENCE and magic can solve every problem in the /co/verse. It similar to how we've intentionally shied away from flooding the setting with flying characters. With the basis for magic in the setting being that it's largely unique per person and extremely variable, there's no guarantee anyone could actually figure out a spell to transform another person. On the SCIENCE side, they might be able to restructure your body, but they can't really say what it will end up looking like in the end. Our SCIENCE characters who have transformed themselves don't tend to end up staying fully human. There's mention of an artificial womb being developed by the company Ladybug's friend's family owns, but I think most of Motion's personal plotline takes place before that.

There's a very obvious path to pursue: Trying to recreate Delta's abilities but I plan on that being part of a storyline that leads to tragedy.

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>>87832011
There was a pitch, but I don't remember how it was received.

>>87835626
From what I recall, it's mostly tackled from a psychological and sociological point of view. Just because you might have the technology to make a man into a woman in a way that's better than what currently exists in the real world, it doesn't mean there still aren't people who find it deplorable. People in the /co/verse aren't the "accept everything" kind, they still have hang ups and personal limits to what they're wiling to accept.

>>87838538
I'd say the Lovely Ladybug story line takes place somewhere in the 2009 - 2011 area (since that's when the comic was started), so the artificial womb has been invented by then.
A thread or two ago we talked about how the technology still probably wasn't widely available to the public yet though.

>>87838606
I like the ones with the axe better than the ones without.

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>>87831503
The thing that makes Motion work is that she's not intended as being progressive. The point of her character isn't to be a transgender superhero, she's just a superhero that happens to be trans. It's a subtle distinction, but an important one.

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So he punches a demon, learns a spell.

But how does that work?

>>87844438
Let's take, say, Hank for example.
Hank can create perfect portals, using his inherent power to pierce the boundary between realms and establish a stable tunnel through them. If Corson were to come into direct contact with Hank, he'd be able to intuitively understand the process that Hank's magic uses to affect those changes and could mimic it to some extent.

The limitation there is that Hank's energy is rather unusual, if not unique. The strength of his portals is mainly a result of his energy's natural affinity for it. Corson could duplicate Hank's ability to make portals very efficiently, but they wouldn't be stable long term or as far reaching.

The thing about magic study in the /co/verse is that, since it's very reliant on figuring out how things work for you, you're going to mostly be able to learn magic that lines up with your natural affinities. You're going to have a much harder time learning to cast ice magic if your energy pulls towards fire, but it's still theoretically doable. Corson is able to bypass that and copy how others are able to cast magic, because his own energy is extremely adaptable, but he wouldn't get the same benefits as someone who has energy that naturally lines up with the magic they use.

Some people, like the blue vampires, have their energy essentially "dyed", which can have some influence on how their magic works.

>>87845626
Originally the idea for him was he blackmailed or bullied demons into coughing up memories of spells for him to copy. But the power he has seems to have changed since then.
Now I'd say it allows for him to get a peak into someone else's mind to see how they process a spell and copy the process into his own mind so he can duplicate the effects.

And I don't mean originally as in his original creation, most of that is long since lost, I mean when he was first reentering the /coc/ stage.

>>87845767
It may take more, let's say, "aggressive" physical contact if the target is unwilling to share.

>>87845922
You know, we do have a hidden entry on magic on the wiki.
It's tucked away in categories:magic.

The one that's caught my eye today is what Skathi has: "Jotunn Magic" where the character is a living dynamo of magical energy that just pours into their natural abilities. Doesn't look like it does shit for spell casting, but it seems to be the magic type that's able to shrug off all form of ambient magic (stuff not in the body).

Who else in the setting has that?

>>87846386
The three siblings who pursue Skathi would have it, all being (undead) Jotunn.

>>87846386
Obviously Corson can do it, but the only question there is how long he'd be able to keep it up.

>>87846654
Well that's new to me.

I was wondering of elves and dwarves and those other fantasy races who aren't the fae would have magic more similar to Skathi's than to humans.
Obviously they don't have the raw power Skathi has, but still.

>>87846767
I think it's more of a physiological thing than something that can be learned.
Corson would have to grow a whole new set of organs and rework his circulatory system to even hope to pull off something like that.

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>>87825829

basically, Pajamas was a normal criminal before who got betrayed/killed by the criminal organization he worked for. He comes back from the death with his cat -like powers and 9 lives to get his revenge, everytime he dies, he loses a part of his powers and at 1 live, he is no different than a normal human being.

During his revenge, he steals money from the organization and assault places that belong to the organization. For the public he seems like a criminal terroring the city as noone really knows about the criminal organization and it is no different for BK.

Pajamas brings Mew under his control which is why BK tries to find Pajamas. They fight and Pajamas decides that BK would be the end of all because he knows after his revenge he has nothing left, so he pushes BK to the edge by forcing Mew to kill.

At their last fight after he is done with his revenge and has nothing more than one live left, he fights with BK one last time, eventhough he decided to just accept whatever happens in this fight, once he faces BK for the last time, his animal instict to survive kick in which is, other than his face, the only thing left of his powers.

some details I thought about, at his first appearance till almost the end, Pajamas is wearing a cat mask hiding his real cat face, I should really re-draw this picture. Also Hip Cat is a rather ambigous and whimsical character who sometimes helps BK out to find Pajamas only to get his ass kicked.

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Bumping with some Casey

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>>87849046
some Froockles

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>>87849072
and some Evilverse.

>>87848448
I always saw the Cat's Pajama's as someone who is unhinged and just doing things because "why not?" but I guess he really does lack a lot of character. We never did give him a motivation, so revenge is as good as any.

He wants to commit suicide via Bees Knees once his revenge is done?

>>87791066
>warrior bard

Love that "class."

Like Gurney Halleck if he was a teenage girl with magical powers.

>>87835731
which one of the season do you have in mind?

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Thoughts?

>>87853155
Sort of reminds me of the characters from the Gorillaz.

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If the thread survives the night then it survives the night.
If it doesn't then it doesn't.
I already managed to make it last through the weekend and some interesting new things were posted in it.

>>87851579
At this point it doesn't really matter with how established their backgrounds are. However, I think Spring and Summer are the two featured her >>87808395, so I don't think it would match either of these two.

What was posted in >>87838010 makes me think that, subconsciously, she's aware of the thematic elements to her character and the setting she's in. Or is more than willing to act up that part.

Could even be that the songs and poems she sings are all old. Like, centuries old. Could even have a few in her extended cast who she's in a medieval folk group with.

I have this image of my mind of a LARPer being told they're actually the knight who must save the Kingdom, and is absolutely going to step up to that, competence be damned.

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>>87849140
>I always saw the Cat's Pajama's as someone who is unhinged and just doing things because "why not?"

which he is after he is done with his revenge. He has nothing better to do so he keeps commiting crimes, as he doesn't know anything else and this has been his life for many years.

>He wants to commit suicide via Bees Knees once his revenge is done?

He never really wanted to be a criminal. As a child, he was the son of a butcher and had a peacefull life till the criminal organization took control of his street, they forced Pajamas father to work for them, it was his task to get rid of evidence/corpses, Pajamas finds out and tries to help his father, which of course he didn't want at first but Pajamas father accepted that this is their life now, the organization was too influential to escape. Pajamas father gets killed and Pajamas takes his position, he swears he'll have his revenge, so he decides to move up in the hirarchy by doing other jobs but he gets killed by someone unknown.

Way later after he comes back and is done with his revenge, he realizes that he only destroyed what it was only a minor branch of a bigger organization but he killed the people who killed him and his father, which he decides is more than enough for him, eventhough he also wanted to take revenge far all the bad the organization had done to his street and his city.

After he is done, he keeps being a criminal because thats been his life since decades. He confronts BK from time to time and then, they have their final battle.

>>87858957
Fall then. I will see what i can do when i get back from work

>>87859934
I think Fall is the one in the top left here >>87789338.

Could be cool if the antlers on her helmet/mask could also serve visually as bare gnarled tree branches.

Also some medieval music that may inspire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr2LRpx4Uyk

>>87858957
>Could even have a few in her extended cast who she's in a medieval folk group with.

Would be a funny subversion of the usual "main character is in a bad" thing where they try and make them all trendy and hip. Also makes it easy for us to give them songs that don't suck which always happens when people try to put songs in to an exclusively visual medium. See: the new Josie and the Pussycats comic.

>>87860868
Why does old English music always sound so sinister and morose compared to old Italian and French music?

>>87858992
So by the time he recruits Cat's Meow and Hip Cat he's already gotten his revenge on the criminal organization and taken their place as the big shot criminal in town?

>>87863686
After BK gets his powers, meow gets hers as well, she disappears for months and appears again in the news as a part of a group of bank robbers together with Hip Cat and Pajamas, this is also the moment Pajamas appears for the first time. It is also the start of his revenge, making everyone from the organization know, someone is defying them.

Cat Meow has cat like powers which she got like BK got his. Because of her cat-like nature Pajamas is able to gain control over her and uses herfor his revenge, this also leads to BK trying to confront Pajamas, their confrontation goes on as Pajamas advances with his revenge plan but because of his confrontations with the organization he loses one life after another, which is way the fights against BK begin to become more even. When Pajamas is done with his revenge he has nothing but one life left, which is why the last fight is heavely one-sided with Pajamas getting trashed.

>taken their place as the big shot criminal in town?

given his backstory, I don't think he would have that goal but with the organization being gone, there should be a lot of chaos, now that other criminals want to be the top dogs in the city.

>>87861068
Geography? Weather, maybe? If you compare art from more Mediterranean regions in the 19th century and British/Russian/Nordic painters of the same era, there's a noticeable difference in hue and tone. Even Shishkin at his brightest doesn't come close to Sorolla at his darkest.

>>87866263
Lots of rain, grey skies, and long, cold nights. And a language that's a lot harsher than the Romance languages.

Speaking of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKl3Q8kjfb8

>>87865852
And what powers doe he have when he had all 9 lives?

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So she ends up being the Oracle type character for Golden Guardian.

>>87867681

enhanced strength, flexibility and reflexes, he can also control felines, mostly cats, he loses a percentage of his powers everytime he dies.

>>87866263
Reminds me of something I heard once, that the Romans remarked that the pearls from Britain weren't white, but "grey, like the overcast skies."

>>87870109
A percentage, or one of his powers each time he dies?

>>87870109
>he can also control felines
Truly the most implausible power. Most of Superman's feats are easier.

>>87868870
The spy outfit suggests she'd be more hands-on than Oracle, going out doing a lot of sleuthing and spywork herself rather than relying completely on her tech.

>>87872009
But still sort of the central control of the hero operations.

>>87868870
>>87872009
>>87873670
I rather she was an antagonist to GG, really. Not a villain, but another, rather zealous, crime fighter.

>>87874012
How would she transition to that from trying to expose Audrey's identity?

>>87876910
She snaps at one point and then accepts that there is some force in the universe causing this which is beyond her control and resolves to uncover what that force is?

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Bri will save this thread.

>>87871265
>A percentage, or one of his powers each time he dies?

I thought a percentage would be better as everytime he fights BK, it seems like BK is getting stronger but it is actually Pajamas getting weaker.

>>87871345

according to the wiki, it was cats meow powers but I thought it would be better for Pajamas to have them to control cat meow, also as it seems meow was in love with BK, I guessed they were friends before yet she suddenly doesn't care anymore after she got her powers, so I thought mind control would be an explenation.

>>87866263
>>87866625
It actually goes back further than that.

Compare Beowulf's and Arthur's end to other Epic heroes.

And then look at some of the earliest Anglo poems like The Wanderer, Deor, and The Ruin.

Welsh stories also have the same mood, though not quite as oppressive. There's a Welsh word -- "Hiraeth" -- that describes the longing for a time or place that can never be returned to.

>>87874012
>>87876910
>>87878924
Presumably during whatever the big Crisis event is that reveals the existence of and shatters the Code.

>>87882473
I've been thinking that event could also be the point where it's explicitly stated that Iris's Code immunity comes from her being gay. It would be as much a surprise to her as everyone else.