Batman #10 Storytime

>>87410876

Why do you never use the covers? I appreciate the story time but I'm just curious?

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Neat variant.

Glad I've gotten into withholding myself from reading King preview pages again.

>>87410930

It would appear from Bruce's tone that he is not fucking around!

>>87411028
So she really killed 237 people?

I don't like this, it was a pretty big deal back when she just killed Black Mask.

>>87411039

Yup.

Also, King is going full CIA PTSD with this.

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I honestly thought he wasn't Bruce because of the repeating of the same sentence over and over again.

I like Selina's narration in this but Batman seems unlike himself this issue.

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>>87411096

Thanks OP. Have it on my subscription and will be picking up the floppy on Saturday.

>>87410944
Crashed plane xD

Wait, so what did Bane do to Bruce's back? Did he just stress it, and Bruce stressed it in the other direction, so he fixed it?

>>87411096

YES! This is the Catwoman i love. This is the Batman/Catwoman i crave for! The one where Selina tempts Bruce to the dark side. No heroic bullshit. Fuck Brubaker. Catwoman is temptation incarnate.

King is my man. He knows what i want.

>>87410960
Isn't her father biggest baddest crime lord in Gotham?

>>87411167

Yup. TDKR style.

>>87411096
Thanks, op. That was unfortunately another meh issue. Batman sounds like a freaking robot and I really can't stand Janin art.

>>87411186
No

>>87411186

Yes, but there was always a doubt if Calabrese or whatever the fuck surname he had was her real biological father.

>>87411057
But they don't kiss anymore. Batman made it clear.

>>87411254

But Batman's right now having a crisis of faith. He'll succumb.

>>87411096
I wasn't sure if the constant repetition would work, but it did and made this moment feel really powerful

This was just okay. Again.

>>87411179
Man, fuck you.

"Catwoman killed two-hundred people" is an utterly retarded idea.

>>87411007
What bombing?

>>87411347

Nah. I think it's cool.

Now she's a master-assassin on top of being a master-thief, and she killed terrorists. Fuck terrorists.

The good two-shoes thief Selina was boring.

>>87410876
I thought catwoman was still a mafia queen and massive ball busting bulldyke who was porking some vaguely legal asian girl.

>>87411365
It's utterly out of the blue and feels completely out of character. This is basically making her Elektra. Nobody likes Elektra.

>>87410944
When did Selina realize that Batman was Bruce?

>>87411393

Yeah, that was weird.

>>87410974
Is selina older than Bruce?

>>87411393
It really does feel like an alternate universe, suddenly. Did King just decide there's no CW book right now so he could do whatever?

>>87411381

Nobody likes Black Cat either, though.

>>87411179

I actually agree with this guy

>>87411412

Nah. She was a teen when he was already Batman.

I think that in the Nu52 when they started to fuck she was barely legal.

>>87411412
Or the orphanage was built years before she got there?

>>87411393
>>87411417

Somethings off about this and I don't think it's King getting the character wrong. I think he's fucking with us

>>87411179
>Fuck Brubaker.
What does he have to do with a characterization trend that goes all the way back to the 80s and earlier? Selina and Bruce were developing into their Earth 2 counterparts right before Anti-Monitor blew it all up.

>>87411430

In the Nu52 Bruce is a lot older.

He was 25 when she was 16 or something.

>>87411418
She didn't act much of anything like black cat.

Black Cat was full time sultry minx until spock decked her. Catwoman could be sultry and playful with bats, but she could also pull off the crime drama shit convincingly.

>>87411440
I mean there was a scene in catwoman where Selina realizes bruce was batman and stripped naked in wayne manor but that was cut. I do remember a scene where Selina talks to bruce ( amnesiac) and then gets arrested.

>>87411135
Yeah, that was weird. I thought he was under some mind control or hypnotized himself or something.

>>87410953
Batman goes senile

>>87411443

Your entire post is a lie.

Earth-1 Catwoman was mostly a villain and she only started to be a bit anti-heroic right before the reboot. Something that was retconned immediately in a story where the Joker kidnapped and brainwashed her and making her go back into being a villain. Then CoIE happened.

Earth-2 also spend most of her time as a fucking corpse.

Meanwhile New Earth Catwoman was pure edge before Brubaker. I miss that shit.

>>87411050
What the...

>>87411179
Ideally I think they should try and tempt each other. Batman promises her a castle while Catwoman promises freedom

>>87411365
Gotta agree. The 237 seems like a stupidly large number and it kinda comes from no where. I would have bought it if she had only killed the mastermind

>>87411135
>>87411459
Maybe he's Punch in disguise like last issue

>>87411440
I feel the same way. This whole book just seems weird to me. Both Batman and Catwoman seem completely out of character, and I kept waiting for the surprise twist to explain it I figured talk-like-a-robot-Batman would turn out to really be a robot or at least another member of the team impersonating him as a distraction while Batman sneaks in, but it never came.

>>87411525

The problem is that since Brubaker Catwoman has been nothing but that thief girl who Batman sometimes fuck and that does everything to win his approval.

The seductress and dangerous Catwoman that used to tempt and scare the shit out of Batman has been largely gone.

>>87411179
This guy and King gets it.

>>87411494

Which stories exactly are you referring to for her pre-Brubaker characterization? Certainly not her 90s run. IIRC she had only killed in ONE story, and that was some side-story in a Superman book that was shockingly out of character, even back then.

Catwoman as a huge killer is just dumb. Seems like a weird thing to try and get shock value out of.

>>87411565
>The seductress and dangerous Catwoman that used to tempt and scare the shit out of Batman has been largely gone.

That's because she never existed.
You're confusing her for talia al ghul.

>>87411572

I'm not talking about Catwoman killing. I'm talking about her being an edgy motherfucker that used to tempt Batman into doing bad shit. This Catwoman pretty much died with Brubaker's run.

King has stepped up his fucking game. Really loved these last two issues.

I figure the Batman repeating himself thing was either something like a Mantra to keep him super focused or there'll be some other sort of twist/reasoning for it.

>>87411592

>That's because she never existed.

She existed.

Talia al Ghul wasn't even dangerous back then, dude. She was a boring character that stood from the sides and begged Batman to side with her father. She was a non-character. She only started to do shit under in the 2000's and even then you had Rucka trying his best to keep her squeaky clean.

>>87411596

It's called character development. And the only thing she tried to "tempt" him with was joining her in a criminal life, which was never even the slightest bit tempting for Bats and made her look like a fool.

>>87411592
Hardly, Talia back then was just "Oh beloved, why don't you give my father what he wants so we can be together forever?" every story. Just some Arab chick with daddy issues and a craving for Batcock.

>>87411618

>It's called character development.

Well, enjoy the new character development then. I certainly will.

I grew tired of the Catwoman that crawled and beg for Batman's approval by being a good girl. She had become pathetic.

>>87411640

>I grew tired of the Catwoman that crawled and beg for Batman's approval by being a good girl. She had become pathetic.

Got any examples of that?

When does this get good? As a Kingfag I'm disappointed.

>>87411690

Pretty much the last years, specially pre-Nu52.

Batman would show up, ask for something and she'd do it prompto. Or then she'd complain about how much she'd give without receiving anything in return. Constantly doing pout face.

One good example is Gotham City Sirens and Batman: Streets of Gotham.

>>87411381
>Nobody likes Elektra.

Shut your filthy mouth. When Frank Miller is writing Elektra she's fucking great!

I finally understand what's the Batman/Catwoman arc is about.

Tom King is doing Holy Terror.

I bet that the terrorists will try to strike Gotham again and that Batman, instead of turning Catwoman in to face her charges, will go full louco joining Catwoman in the hunt for them. Basically them both outlaws.

>>87411007
Well no shit Bane you broke his back

I've been losing track, when did Catwoman learn Batman is Bruce again?

>>87411050
the fuck is he doing right here?

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>>87411729

So, no specific examples, and the only two books you mentioned weren't written by Brubaker. Okay.

>>87411898

We don't know, we didn't see it. We didn't see her murder over 200 people either, or get caught and put in an insane asylum, but here we are...

It feels like King isn't even trying anymore

>>87411909

Snapping his back back into place?

>Selina is mass murderer
>Bruce is total autist and also can fix his back by flexing
>another TDKR reference
What the fuck is goin on, King?

I dunno why, but I really just loved the repetition of Batman saying he'll break Bane's back. Had a big smile on my face every time he said it.

Haha, man. Twitter's gonna love this issue, guess all those people saying Selina being a mass murderer is gonna be a fake out just got BTFO.

I am starting to miss Snyder and his monologuing Batman

>>87411967
Well to be fair, when is Batman not an autist?

>>87412054
Well, you always have All-Star Batman, anyway :^)

>>87412058
when writers that actually care write him

>>87412073
Guess that's not King then...

Just not feeling it. This has been Tom Kings most disappointing work yet. What a fucking drag. Selina was a mob boss, so she killed terrorists boo freaking boo.

>>87412131
Muh terrorism is my favorite King trope.

>>87412131
Valentine tried to make it work but mobboss selina is a dumb idea in itself.


Mass murderer makes even less sense though if it isnt a bait and switch

>>87411961
He better have some awesome plot twists and really big plans for all of this. I mean, it's still better than mostershit, but I expect much more from King than memes and few fucked up characterizations.

Why does King always repeat himself? Is he autistic?

>>87412234
I thought he was just trying to force a meme here.

>>87412193

Yeah I hear you. Selina always works best as she was intended as a thief. She being a mob boss was a drag too. All of her ongoing in the N52 has been a snorefest, where were the fun heists? Why would she be sentenced to death row for killing terrorists overseas?

>>87412264
is it a symptom of PTSD? Because if it's just autism, I feel a lot more of could really relate to him.

>>87412193
Speaking of Valentine, what happened to her anyway?

>>87412276

Valentine's run was awesome you pleb.

>>87412298
If it is, I like it personally.

>>87411096
YES! BREAK HIS DAMN BACK, BRUCE!

>all of this to save some random OC

Terrible, Batman is leaving Gotham unprotected and his family behind to help some random slut. Even worse because some of these guys will die because of her.

>>87410991
AUTISM!

>>87412300
She's writing Xena.

>>87412392
Oh cool, I might check that out.

>>87411494
Selina had flip-flopped a lot between being a villain and anti-hero before that crummy retcon

>>87411785
Did Frank kill Tom and is he wearing his skin right now?

>>87412507
What a twist!

>>87411096
It was a bit wierd. But still awesome.

>>87411096
You don't get to bring friends.

>>87411393
Probably a rebirth thing since she knew in old dc

>>87412632
These are not my friends.

>>87412345
Honestly don't understand why is he going this far for her.

>>87412815
It's guilt or something.

>>87412345
>half of city are vigilantes
>unprotected

>>87410930
>aircraft 1048

Very nice easter egg, I appreciate it

>>87411135
he was trying to create a diversion, i guess the point was to act like he had gone off the deep end so that bane would believe that he legit flew in to take on a whole island with no backup

>>87413142
Makes sense.

>>87412345
>>87412815
i imagine he feels responsibility since GG was only fucked with because Strange was trying to get at Batman, he also probably recognizes that GG could be a good hero if they get help

>>87413189
also he probably feels bad about Gotham being killed

>>87413189
>>87413206
Well, also he is responsible for both GG and GB since he inspired them to be Superheroes.

>>87413237
It's always Bruce's fault - Because Reasons.

>>87413018
What is that?

>>87413357
1048 is the access code to the Batcave, you change the time on the clock to 10:48 because that's when the Waynes died

>>87410974
That's a lot of guys.

>>87411007
Kahndaq is Black Adam's country correct?

>>87413322
>trust people
>they get killed
>don't trust them
>get called an asshole

He really can't catch a break

>>87411700
Several pages of Batman getting his ass kicked and only escaping the cage because Bane was nice enough not to take away the bladed gloves. Not Batman's finest adventure. I thought Batman would ninja the base, not bull rush right into Bane's army, but I guess this is all part of some master plan.

>>87413509
UUUU

>>87413509
But he has already crushed plane in some of previous issue. What is the next part of his paster plan?

>>87411041
Like, I don't hate King's run, I'm just so tired of the repetition. I like this issue the best, so far, but that's because of Catwoman's narration. Just ditch the mantras, please.

This is not a good issue. Like, not even a little bit. And I've loved all of King's work thus far. What the fuck did I just read?

>>87413509
batman is doing a heist and he was the diversion to buy opportunity for the rest of his team. the others were starting the heist while he was fucking about with bane and acting crazy

King's Batman is so incredibly mediocre so far. Night of the Monster Men was okay I guess, but it mostly had Batman on that batbike panel after panel. Nightwing was the true star of that crossover.

>>87413544
Batman put it best, "We break his damn back."

>>87411028
Hey it's Tom King putting that overseas experience to use.

>>87411096
Thanks OP I enjoyed it. But here we have
>King heavily ignoring continuity
>King heavily mis charaterizing an established character
If this was written by Snyder, /co/ would've gone full REEEEEEEEEEEE. Funny, ain't it.

>>87413969
Many are going REEEE, though. Read the thread.

>>87411179
This fucking faggot has never really read Catwoman.

>>87413762
>Nightwing was the true star of that crossover
Nightwing did nothing of worth until the last issue.

The whole crossover was pretty pointless.

>>87413925
Based King.

>>87414123
Batman line in general has gone down the crapper desu.

>>87413995
It's not the autism you see in a Snyder thread though. I guess it would take King one or two more mediocre stories to get there.

>>87413998

I've read it more than you that jump on it only during the 2000's.

>>87414149
It's sad how right you are. There's no single bat book I'm enjoying right now.

You know the most unrealistic part of this issue? Bane leaving Batman in the prison with all of his utility and gloves on. This edgy motherfucker studied Batman for months before breaking his back but he leaves all of his shit on because plot convenience? Man King really isn't trying that hard. I'm just hoping whatever his next project is better and him actually giving a fuck.

>>87411347
Agreed. It makes no sense. Its so out of character.

>>87413762
Batman took out one (two?) of the monsters and got to dress up in Clayface Bat-Armor. Batwoman helped.
Gotham Girl took out one of the monsters (and fucked up and got her and Nightwing infected)
Cass and Steph got to take down one of the monsters.
Batman and Clayface took down Hugo Strange
Nightwing took down the Voltron monster at the end

Pretty sure Batman still got the most panel time, and put the most work in.

>>87414204
Motherfucker I've been reading Batman since late 80s, I've read most of prominent 70s stuff. I doubt you have. You can like something, be a writerfag and still see when shit is out of character.
What Morrison did with Talia is way more in character than this tweest.

>>87414269

Terrorists killed orphans. Tons of them.

>>87414214
Red Hood has been enjoyable, but I don't consider it part of the Batman line.

>>87414282
Talia going satanic and creating Leviathan was the best.

>>87414282

Nigga, i've read ALL OF BATMAN'S SERIES. I just skipped on some minis from the 90's and 2000's, but the main ongoings i've read it all.

Catwoman as this anti-heroic partner has not been her main characterization. At least not until the 2000's.

>>87414306

What a shitty taste.

>>87414282
>>87414314
>two nerds measuring the size of their longbox

I think we can all agree that Catwoman being suddenly turned into a mass murderer on this scale seems incredibly out of character. Even at her most villainous, nobody would ever say that it seemed in character for her to have assassinated over 200 people.

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>>87411381

I like Elektra.

And I do not care that she killed terrorists, and neither should Bruce.

>>87414306
Oh yeah, it was a big surprise to me and I'm looking forward to it every month.

But like you said, it's not really part of the Batman line. I actually put it with Trinity and SuperSons line (I know that they are not edited by the same editor).

>>87414214
If you aren't enjoying Nightwing wtf is wrong with you?

>>87414339

I never said that her been a mass-murderer isn't something new. It is. I just said that she has been a villainous temptress most of her existence and that her anti-heroic phases are relatively sparse.

>>87414314
>Nigga, i've read ALL OF BATMAN'S SERIES.
Alright>
>Catwoman as this anti-heroic partner has not been her main characterization. At least not until the 2000's.
Point me to the issues where Catwoman is doing extremely villainous shit then.

>>87410876
What a shitty issue

I mean, what the fuck happened? Batman acted like a complete retard, got beaten up whilst we didn't feel any stakes at all, indulged in some ASBAR level yelling and repetition while he ridiculously cracked his back, the art is fucked up, and it can't even tell a good story. Tom King's usually leagues better than this. This is the quality of a book I'd expect selling in the 20ks and about to be cancelled.

>>87414339
Good, fuck her. Talia and Bruce are OTP especially now that they have a kid and they have been rewriting Talia into a more normal person since the Son of Batman series

>>87414371

The silver age shit is a good place. She was constantly palling around with Batman's rogues and placing him in death-traps.

Or her 90's series where she traveled around being an edgy cunt.

>>87411050
so he unbroke his back just like that

This run is turning out to be incredible.

>>87414403
Bane straight up said he couldn't break his nack

>>87414403
CAUSE HE'S THE GODDAMN BATMAN GODDAMNIT.

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>Holy Terror is now canon minus the part with Batman's involvement

>>87410930
Batman creates STC patttern! Praise the Omnissiah.

Plane is very derivative of Imperial guard Vendetta from warhammer 40K

>>87411096
I'm not sure if I got it the first time. What's his plan to do to Bane again?

>>87414394
I need issue numbers nigga. Since you've read allllll the Batman, you'd know.

>>87414345
Not everyone likes the blandest Robin.

And I actually tried to give Nightwing rebirth a chance, but it was pretty meh and not worth wasting my time on.

Why is this story so slow? It took him the whole last issue to assemble a team and this whole issue to sneak them in through the backdoor. Morrison would have had them riding to freedom on Psycho-Pirate's alpha-waves or something by now.

>>87414840
Writing for the trade and most of Rebirth is moving slow as fuck. Double shipping has given writers even a bigger issue to pad issues.

>>87410876
King found his footing with Batman. Great issue!

>>87414840
>Morrison
Yeah because he's Morrison. Don't compare King to Morrison, one is a legend and other one is an autist with muh PTSD.

>>87412345
>implying Batman wouldn't go through hell and back just to save an innocent girl.
It's like you don't even know the character...

>>87414826
Whoa slow down there, blandest Robin is Tim.

>>87411016

> 237 members

I call bullshit. There's no fucking way Catwoman went around and assassinated 237 terrorists. I mean how fucking long would that take just to track them all down? YEARS. And she's a thief, not an assassin. Something really doesn't add up here.

>>87414909
You don't need to be a superwriter to know how not to space your book out into absurdity.

>>87414967
King's run has been full of Batman doing impossible things because he's Batman, that can extend to her as well.

>>87414963
Dude I really dislike Tim, but he still has more of personality than Dick.

>>87414967
>she's a theif not an assassin.
Same skill set.
>IT WOULD TAKE YEARS
this is a superhero comic you autist.

>>87411050
I think this is the most confusing page I've ever seen

You know, guys, King writes really slow and some shit are really fucked up yet, but it's still much better than monstershit and snydershit. You just mad because it's not as good as Vision and Nightwing yet.

>>87414384
>they have been rewriting Talia into a normal person.
>Talia
>Normal person
Anon she's still a crazy bitch, which is absolutely fine because that's a fun characterization that fits the house of al ghul.

>>87415020

At this point, I doubt it ever will be.

If this was not called Batman, it would sell like shit.

>>87411028
Why was she charged with 237 counts of murder in the US if many of those were committed in a middle eastern country?

>>87414985
Describe Tim's personality.
NW is just Spider-Man without the suffering meme.

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>>87413361
>1048
>1+4=5
>8/4=2
i tried

>>87415020
>snydershit
Not really. His Two Face story is loads better than this and Gotham arc and I'm not really a fan of Snyder. Doesn't hurt that it has actually great art.
Also just because it's better than X doesn't make it automatically good.

>Catwoman finds out who Batman is off-panel
>She murders over 200 people off-panel, for an off-panel atrocity
>She gets caught and put into Arkham Asylum off-panel
>She writes him a letter somepoint during all of this off-panel

What's the point? Why couldn't we have seen any of this happen? Is this just him trying to make his mark on the character? Does he want to rile people up, or maybe he just wants to sink the BatCat ship for good?

What is his end goal here?

>>87413391
They're big too

>>87415020
But it's much better than Nightwing. Is this a joke?

>>87414967

She's probably been doing this for years. Started small, with easy targets, then worked her way up to the harder targets as she got older, got more experienced at committing the murders. It certainly sounds like she has the will it would take.

>>87411528
That's what I thought at first but the break/unbreak stuff wouldn't feel right if he wasn't Batman.

>>87415132
King likes to force characters into being what they need to be for the story he wants to tell, established personality be damned. He did it with Kyle in Omega Men and Victor in Vision.

>>87415132
Crash this ship...

WITH NO SURVIVORS!

>>87411179
I'm with you on this anon, Catwoman has been declawed for the past decade and it's good to see her back in the anti-villain role.

>>87415132
>what isbhis end goal here.
TO make Catwoman relevant again, to reestablish her as a dangerous femme fatale, to save her from the anti-hero limbo of mediocrity she once was in.

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>>87415020
>You just mad because it's not as good as Vision and Nightwing yet
>Nightwing

>>87415168
What Valentine did was much better of a character development than this. I'd honestly take Dini's waifubaiting over this.

>>87415092
>NW is just Spider-Man
He wish.

>>87415139
>>87415224
I've meant Grayson.

>>87411931
Thanks!

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>>87415248
>Grayson

>>87415219
This is exactly the sort of thing that torpedoes the character, cancels any chance of an on-going, and makes them disappear from the comics entirely for a decade because nobody wants to touch it with a ten foot pole.

So basically King did to Catwoman what Morrison did to Talia

>>87415248
>meant
You mean Grayson, not meant.

>>87415244
>It's a "casual who hasn't read enough about a character makes authoritative statement" episode

>>87415320
The only people who are outraged about this is the anti-king fags.

>>87415248
>Putting Grayson as the same league as Vision
You should feel ashamed of yourself.

>>87415331
Not really, Talia's development didn't come out of nowhere.

>>87415231
There's no question that Valentine's Catwoman is great anon but this is the second issue with king's Catwoman so how aboutnyoy calm down.

>>87415369
His work on Grayson is better than Vision, the whole run gets dragged down by Seeley and the rushed ending by the fill ins.

>>87415364
>anti-king fags
If those really existed they'd be shitposting in every King thread. Just because someone doesn't like his writing doesn't make them a troll.

>>87415385
>development
You keep using that word but I don't think it means what you think it means.

>>87415244
Second that. Peter has more of personality than Dick can dream of.

And Nightwing = Spider-Man meme need to die.

>>87415400
>His work on Grayson is better than Vision
I have no words.

>>87415407
>if those really existed they'd be shitposting in every king thread.
Yeah.

>>87415231
Valentine's work on Catwoman was not good, people only like it for being "different" but she couldn't decide between a tone. On one hand you had mob shit, characters talking about building relations and trust and on the other we get cheesy "ambushes" where one mob boss calls Selina for a face to face and attempts to assasonate her with no repercussions while she swiftly deals with the situation using her stilettos as a weapon. Then there's her OC cousin that pops out if nowhere and we're supposed to believe she cares about her.

And the outrage of you "not much" fags is hilarious. You seriously think killing 200 child killers is worse than making your cousin kill her own brother.

>>87415407
Just become someone doesn't like the writing doesn't mean the writing is shit.

>>87415433
Maybe you need some narration boxes.

>>87415310
You can't be serious. Grayson is great.
>>87415345
Thx for correction, mate.
>>87415369
I actually haven't even read Vision yet. I just felt like co praised it as hard as Grayson.

>>87415416
>Peter
>personality
Good one

>>87415488
I'm enjoying this arc but first arc was shit.

>>87415400
>His work on Grayson is better than Vision
No, it's really not. Grayson was greatly overrated when it come out and now you hardly see anyone mention it as one of King's best works.

>>87415492
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if this guy is a fan of overrated shit on here like Red Hood.

>>87415416
>Peter
>Personality
Oh you mean the meme of "look at me, I suffer and I'm relatable." You mean Spidey has personality, same with NW. Dick has much more personality than Peter.

>>87415533
Vision is King channeling his inner pleb.

>>87415503
>One of biggest heroes in the world
>does not have personality

>>87415505
Respectfully disagree. If you had some problems with it that's fine but it wasn't by any measure objectively shit.

>>87415555
>one of the biggest heroes in the world
>makes a deal with the devil

>>87415557
Well shit is a wrong word, objectively mediocre with forced and trite writing, bland characters and awful pacing.

>>87415537
>Always mention Red hood whenever someone say that they don't like a dick related book
Why are dickfans are so insecure?

>>87415533
Grayson' best issues were better than Vision's. It was also more experimental than people give it due for.

>>87411347
You missing the point

She is like Bruce, she said across the issue various times
But unlike Bruce she killed the people that killed her childhood

There are not random people.
Both Bruce and Selina had their crossroad and decided to move to different directions, that's why she killed and that's why he doesn't kill.

The issue was great just like #5
I love this more deep direction instead of full-blockbuster of Synder run.

>>87410876
Aww shit. Batman #10 already?
I haven't even started New52 Superman/Superman and Batman yet goddammit.
What about Midnighter? How is he? Is he gonna get his own comic? What about Secret Six?

>>87415609
Yeah, Dick sucking a lollipop or being naked with people complimenting him

So experimental

>>87415626
Midnighter has a six issue mini, dunno about Secret Six.

>>87415320
Catwoman doesn't need an on-going

>>87415600
>objectively
You're already in trouble because you once again ascribed yoi opinion as objective fact.
>forced and trite writing
In what way was the writing forced and/or trite.
>bland character
You gotta explain yourself.
>awful pacing
Like you can't just make claims and expect us to fall in line with your opinions.

>>87415630
Those were Seeley issues, but good job on shitposting. Grayson Future's End was the first issue King ever wrote and considering that veteran writers with 10+ years don't have the balls to do something like that, well...

But hey, I guess reading narration boxes where things get pointed out is better.

>>87415607
They are fans of Dick Grayson. Why did you expect?

>>87415630
Vision didn't have anything as good or experimental as the futures end issue.

>>87415679
There was nothing experimental about Future End issue, stop misusing terms

>>87415707
Are you retarded or just pretending?

>>87415729
>he already run out of arguments and had to use petty insults to cover it

Just stop shitposting already.

>>87415679
This level of delusional.

>>87415751
Oh, because this >>87415707 isn't a shitpost. Riiight...

>>87410997
Not again

>>87415707
Experimental is the wrong term for that anon to use, and the Grayson issue was somewhat clever (until the same trick was, for all intents and purposes, pulled in the return to Gotham issue, essentially) - but the over-all finished product of that issue was definitely head and shoulders above the rest and above most any other comic that came out that month by any publisher.

>>87415626
>New52 Superman/Superman

First two trades are the best, you can skip the last set if you want to rush things.

Last issue was great, this issue is fucking awful

>>87411276
King uses heavy repetition all the time. Often it works and sometimes (to me, here) it doesn't. Also kek @ Holy Terror Selina in this fucking thing, seriously?

>>87411393
>When did Selina realize that Batman was Bruce?

It's possible that this narration is coming from a point in the story that hasn't happened yet.

>>87414967
even a retard can tell catwoman is reminiscing

>>87415055
Better question is why Arkham when she's clearly sane and the murders were premeditated against known terrorists?

>>87410930
>I will break your damn back

I love BatKing

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>>87410930
I'm actually surprised Bruce hasn't gone for a Wraith-like Batwing in the past. Seems his style.

>>87410991
My guess (without reading ahead) is that this is a puppet being piloted by wesker

>>87417072
Yeah dude. I love the line, I loved the repetition. I was grinning the whole damn time.

>>87410937
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE

>Bane was naked the entire time

why

>>87411078
>going CIA in a comic about Bane
Pottery

>>87411050
Yes.

>>87411347
I like it. It creates a deeper layer of contrast between Bruce and Selina and pushes their relationship forward in an interesting way. It also seems like a natural evolution of her "take over crime to control crime" storyline

>>87417281
Hard to find clothes that fit comfortably when you're that big.

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>>87417377
For You.

>>87414756
He wants to bring him a snack

>>87417503
A knuckle sandwich that will put him on his back, presumably.

>>87411007
Bane...you didn't even take his belt. He won't be in there for 5 minutes unless he want to be.

>>87411096
Kings run has been such a pleb filter. I love it, all the fags that have no attention span or taste are upset and wondering why he isnt fighting a new villain every issue.

>>87418056
It's still way too decompressed, especially compared to Grayson, Omega Men, and Vision.

So far, the Superman-family line has been much better than the Bat-family line.

>>87418071
It also comes out twice a month.

>>87418106
Objectively wrong.

>>87418071
It's Batman. Its suppose to be decompressed, emotional, with an air of mystery and build up to the villains. Go read a different hero if thats not what you want. Like I said its a pleb filter.

>>87418106
Both are weak. Superman and New Super-Man are the only good books from the Superman line.

>>87418162
but this run had nothing emotional
it feels like someone checking a list of what people consider "cool" about Batman like him doing stuff he shouldn't be able to do and nothing more

>>87418200
Superman is trash.

>>87418211
>doing stuff he shouldnt be able to do

How many times am I gonna have to say it. Go read a different hero, Batman is not for you.

>>87418162
Morrison's Batman wasn't decompressed, nor have many other runs been.

>>87418211
>but this run had nothing emotional
Maybe you're a robot? Or too much of a child?

>>87418219
It still more enjoyable than most of the Batman line books.

>>87418239
It sure was for the first 7-8 issues.

>>87418239
ONeil's was, Morrison's definitely was, the stuff introduced in the first arc isn't resolved til the last, Dixon's run was, Long Halloween is, Year 100 was, you don't know what you are talking about. Good Batman stories have always been like this and thats what makes him great.

>>87411096
I'm confused what was his plan exactly? Get the shit beat out of him to open a door? How did the rest of his squad get by the security?

>>87418248
No.

>>87418219
You're trash.

>>87410930
Straight outta 40k

>>87418295
What an intelligent answer. Care to elaborate besides "no"? Because none of the Batman books are enjoyable and must read.

Batman, Detective, ASB, Nightwing, Batgirl, BOP and Batman Beyond are all pretty meh.

>thought the one narrating was Psycho Pirate
>turns out to be Selina

disappointed to be honest

>>87418288
I'm not sure you know what decompressed means. A lot of things happen in those issues. Barely nothing happens in any given King issue.

>>87418430
A lot of things don't need to happen in every Batman issue, its suppose to be a slow burn with build up. Again go read someone else if you want that.

>>87418377
I kind of like Detective, Nightwing and ASB but I can see why others wouldn't.

>>87418377
Batman and All Star Batman are good. I don't have to justify myself because you came into the thread shitposting like you do every two weeks about the crappy superman line. Give me a break, with your pathethic melodramatic Tomasi garbage and his rehashed "much son" shit from Batman and Robin. The guy's emotional moments always come off as forced and here it's worse than ever because of the convoluted alternate universe Superman shit and the fact that we're expected to care about these characters he pulled out of his ass.

>>87418476
>convoluted
Lol it's not Tomasi's fault that you think something that simple is complicated.

>>87418544
Convoluted, not complicated.

>>87418476
>I don't have to justify myself because you came into the thread shitposting like you do every two weeks about the crappy superman line
You just justify yourself to me with this long post, anon.

And you are confusing me with someone else because I don't think Superman line is great either and I was never fan of Tomasi's B&R run, but he is doing a decent job with Superman family and his writing suit them more.

Also, why are you angery? Do you work on Batman office? Is this why you are offended that someone doesn't think that the Batman line is good?

>>87418295
Yes.

>>87418377
You're the one retorting "b-b-b-but it's better than Batman!" instead of putting forth an actual argument in favor of Superman

>>87418476
>I don't have to justify myself
>Does so anyway
Lmao what a fag.

>>87418668
>Also, why are you angery? Do you work on Batman office? Is this why you are offended that someone doesn't think that the Batman line is good?
Gotta love these meme replies.

The reason I'm angry is because I like Superman better but his main title is crap, Action Comics is some of the worst shit and whoever put Jurgens on it needs to be shot and Superwoman is a retarded and superfluous concept.

>>87418544
Tomasi's plots are convoluted, meaningless, and highly forgettable, though. The reason people like him is because he writes good character arcs, and throws in a lot of heartwarming moments. But his villains are forgettable. He's the modern day Chuck Dixon, but without the alt-right persecution complex

>>87418718
I could go in depth but every time I've tried to have a meaningful conversation about comics on /co/ I'd end up writing long posts to which the person I'm talking to responds with
>Well, that's like, your opinion, man
>Well, I can see your posts, but I disagree
>No
Or he'd just stop posting altogether.

>>87418782
I think you're spot on with regards to Tomasi, but I don't see the connection to Dixon. Dixon's plots are similar in their love of goofy pulp scifi, but he's much more influenced by hardboiled detective/noir than Tomasi, and I don't recall him going much for the heartwarming moments, not even in Robin.

Also, how is Bane forgettable? Or the General? I mean, sure, he did write many of them, but he also wrote some of the best new ones!

>>87418746
>The reason I'm angry is because I like Superman better but his main title is crap
And I like Batman better, but I'm not really angry that his main book is bad right now because there's nothing I can do about it anyway.

>>87418904
Well, it's not bad.

>>87418782
>calling Dixon alt-right
Do you know what words mean?

>>87419020
To be fair to the poster, Dixon has said favorable things about Trump in a podcast for Milo. That's alt right signalling, even though as an actual righty I hope he's not joining the Friends of Pepe.

>>87411096
Wait, im confused. Was getting caught part of his plan?

>>87419136
Isn't the rule of thumb "whatever happens, no matter how impossible, is part of the plan"? :)

>>87418160
Not really.

>>87414756
bane has psycho pirate. he turns pirate over to batman and batman leaves. he does not and batman breaks his back.
apparently with the help of the ventriloquist, catwoman, tiger and punch.

>>87411470
it's clearly an Inigo Montoya thing

This is pretty fucking terrible. Like could have been an issue from the Snyder run terrible. I have no idea why people continue to fellate King.

>>87421085
>I have no idea why people continue to fellate King.
Tryhards. People have been telling them for a good while now how good Grayson, Sheriff of Babylon, Omega Men, and Vision are so they just assume kingBooks = le awesome!

So they feel comfortable shitting one anyone who they feel is stepping out of the accepted narrative by NOT sucking kingcock this time around.

You see the same thing in High School when, for example, a formerly great band shits out a mediocre record. Most people are wondering what the shit happened because the new shit isn't up to snuff but you ALWAYS have a few idiots who are emotionally invested in being "fans" that insist that you just need to "give it time" and "listen a few more times" before going for the "Jest2Deep4U!" and "UrNotTrueFan!" cop outs.

These are the same idiots who defended Arrow Seasons 3 and 4.

>>87412815
because hes a superhero and shes an innocent. thats what they do anon.

>>87413418
yes

So we have:

>BANE
>Crashed plane
>getting caught being part of his plan
>CIA PTSD from King

With I Am Suicide and the following I Am Bane, I wouldn't be surprised if King's run becomes top of reading recommendations for Bane.

Fucking loving it so far desu

>nothing happens
>everything feel disjointed
>no flow to the story
>questionable choices all around
>characters acting out of character and incredible plot conveniences happening

>>87418288
Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about. Morrison is a champion of compressed storytelling.

>>87412815
>Honestly don't understand why is he going this far for her.
One of the hallmarks of the Mary Sue (or an Author's Pet, which isn't always the same thing) is that people love them for absolutely no rational reason.

For example: Skye on Agents of S.H.I.T. was brought in in a way that made very little sense (and almost instantly started going undercover ect) and THEN she betrayed the team.

Yet when she's shot they all stand around going on and on about how much they all love her and can't imagine life without her.

Side note: how the shit is Psycho Pirate powerful enough to mindfuck Gotham and his sister (all off panel naturally) and yet still be so terrified of Bane that he's literally shuddering around him. It's not like Bane's immune to his powers given that he asked him to make him think about rainbows and puppy-dogs on the same page?

>>87412815
he feels responsible for her since Gotham and Gotham Girl became superheroes because of him, and he couldn't save Gotham

>>87422255
I think Psycho Pirate is more like a tool that gets orders and does nothing on his own, Strange is the one that used the Pirate to fuck with Gotham and Gotham Girl and then gave him to Bane.

>>87422288
>he feels responsible for her
You'd think he'd pull in Martian Manhunter to help with the mindfuckery given that the League were all in town for the Gotham Jobbing and then came back to pull clean up duty post Monster Men.

>>87422316
>Strange is the one that used the Pirate to fuck with Gotham and Gotham Girl and then gave him to Bane
That actually makes sense; but it's the kinda thing that really should be shown on the page rather than left up to people to rationalize on their own.

>>87412815
He had another dream of the future and decided that he needs to help Duke get his chance to black.

>>87422255
Psycho Pirate doesn't have powers without the mask, and when he has the mask he's just projecting his own emotions into others

he's also just a straight-up nutter butter because he might remember the Crisis on Infinite Earths

>>87422393
>He had another dream of the future
WE CIVIL WAR II NOW!

I'm kidding you autists, this is no where NEAR Bendy levels of bad.

>>87421564
I find all of his stuff to be fairly mediocre at best (and the most overblown shit out there), but this is a straight terrible Batman run.

>>87410980
THE JL IS FUCKING USELESS

>>87422399
>he's just projecting his own emotions into others
How did he manage to clobber the kids then? Gotham Girl is terrified all the time; Gotham was filled with rage; and he sent Bane to his Happy Place.

>>87422399
King implied that he remembers both pre- and post-crisis continuity now

>>87422463
see the aforementioned straight-up nutter butter clause

>>87422422
>I find all of his stuff to be fairly mediocre at best
I thought his Vision was fucking awesome!

However:
That's a self-contained story with an (almost) entirely new cast outside of Vision (and Vision had just wiped his internal hard drive of emotions or some nonsense prior so he might as well have been a new character as well).

I've only ever read the first volume of Runaways (and that was years ago) so I wasn't bothered by Victor ... but I gather than fans of the character are, understandably, less than thrilled.

Also: almost the entire run is based on people (or robots) doing amazingly stupid things and then Keeping Secrets which just make things worse.

What I'm saying is that while I really really enjoyed the ride the actual PLOT (rather than the execution, pacing, structure, ect) is CW tier soap opera if you actually step back and look at it.

>>87422711
It's an overwrought melodrama like you said. I didn't find it a well executed tragedy at all, just rote setting up and knocking down of plot points and characters.

>>87410937
God, i love that cowl.

>>87411007
Is he naked?

>>87423198
>Is he naked?
Yes. Yes, he is.

>>87422422

I mean, some people are contrarian faggots

>>87422108
Is this bait? Morrison is all about introducing elements in the first arc that last throughout the entire run, which I own physical copies of. It was very much decompressed.

>>87423977
That's not what decompression means. Decompression is when stretch out a story's length with a lot of panels/pages where nothing that carries the story forward happens. Compare this issue, where Batman flies to Bane, gets captured, and escapes, to the second part of Leviathan Strikes where Batman travels to a boat (off-panel), gets lost in a maze, escapes, and beats the bad guy within a single issue.

>>87423977
Compressed storytelling doesn't mean you can't have a larger overarching plot

Like, Batman and Robin's story arcs are three issues each

>>87423977
>introducing elements in the first arc that last throughout the entire run
That's not what Decompressed means you mongolid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decompression_(comics)

>>87424078
Are you just gonna ignore that this is the 2nd Arc? In Morrison's second arc, Black Glove, "nothing happened" for several issues outside of the mystery elements and this series ships twice a month. Stop being such a child and grow an attention span.

>>87424182
>I'm demonstrably wrong
>better call others children
Projection: ur doin' it right!

>>87424182
The Black Glove was a three issue arc. We're now on part 2 of what will ultimately be a six issue arc counting the epilogue. Each issue only has half an issue's worth of story.

>>87424182
the initial Black Glove arc as it was collected in trade was two distinct arcs, the mansion and the three Batmen

>>87424243
So you are just gonna ignore that this is the second arc and that it ships 2x a month and behave like a child. Good to know. Just cause you don't care what is going on doesn't mean "nothing is happening". For example this issue explained Catwoman's crimes, set up their dynamic again, had Batman break into Banes prison, and now he has assembled him team to take Bane down.

You forgot the whole first half of this run has had to be heavily focused on fixing and undoing all the mistakes and mischaracterizations of Snyder's run while also telling its own story and I think King has done a great job.

Tynion should be on the main book, he showed that he knows Batman's mythos enough and even a lot of "nerdy" details. King references Snyder and Miller, Tynion references Morrison. You tell me which one sounds better.

King should be on Tec since he is good at writing minor characters no one gives a fuck about like Nightwing, Vision and Kyle.

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>>87424378
this is some concentrated bait right here