They really don't want to admit they fucked up don't they?

>>87248736
The comment section of this feed is in riot.

>>87248736
Wait what happened

>>87248736
it really was only a matter of time

Now who should play Riri in Iron Man 4: Iron Heart?

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>>87248788
Can Marvel still be blind and deaf from this amount of sarcasm?

Best case: she-hulk, photon, and others show up

Worst case: Whor, Angela, squirrl girl and and cw teir mary sues start showing up

>>87248867

Jesus christ this is cringeworthy. It's like a /co/-thread but with people who don't care about being associated with the bottom of society. What's there to even be sarcastic of?

>>87248736
Who is Marvel's VP?

>>87248788

There are two kinds of comments sections on Facebook, riots and dead quiet.

>>87248736
but they didn't fuck up, it's 2016 ffs if you want the "old days" to come back just look at a loaf of white bread instead, it's basically the same thing

>>87248736
Just make a fucking good movie Marvel, Jesus. If you push your writers to write a character because they are BLANK BLANK or BLANK, you end up getting Joss Whedon who is so desperate to push Black Widow he fucking ruins her.

Whereas if you just let it naturally happen, you get fucking Wasp who will probably be great and Pepper Potts who was fun until she put on the suit cause she had to be a badass, too.

>>87248909
>the bottom of society
What did xir mean by this?

>>87248961

You're baiting but it's still pretty true.

>The Great Wall is a thing

>>87248988

It wasn't meant to be ambiguous. Most of the the people in these threads are the bottom of society. Also, you got my pronouns right

>>87248981
this isnt DCEU anon. their big ticket movies havent been flops after flops

>>87248909
Your ideology is garbage, tumblerina. Kill usted.

>>87248909
>but with people who don't care about being associated with the bottom of society

Jokes at the regressive left's expense have been pretty mainstream for a while. It's not just a Taiwanese knitting forum that dislikes SJWs.

>>87248867
.........

>>87248867
This is what it looks like when you even fucking imply the straight, white, male lens isn't what comprise the entire world. How threatening.

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>>87249068
>>87249012
The scary thing is that one of you might be completely serious.

>>87248736
If this leads to a Gwenpool, She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel, or a Vision Family adaption movie, I'm game. If this leads to a Squirrel Girl/Hellcat/Mockingbird type of movie, kill me now.

>>87248894
I'll bet they could cast a cute live action Squirrel Girl.

>>87248929
Brevoort, I think

>>87249160
figures

>>87248894
>Squirrel Girl
You do know a New Warriors TV show is being developed with her as a main character, right?

>>87248824
Seconding this

What's the big deal? Have marvel said they're gonna start the Whor shit and such? I thought the MCU was safe. Fuck.

>>87249068
I say fuck it and let them have it, I know tons of die hard fans who given up on marvel. I've don't it too.

Fuck them, if they don't want me, then I wont buy. Let them pander to the fucking unwashed hoards, watch how much them make. SJW never buy comics, they only bitch that comics aren't geared towards them.

>>87248867
Marvel probably thinks it is genuine advice

>>87249068
>>87248909
>>87249067

Fuck off /co/mblr.

>>87249224
>I am incapable of recognizing even the most obvious bait

>>87248961
or evebn better, go play Broforce
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mOAQ7t9JjY

SS was all the proof people needed that women can and will flock to a movie I'd they think a female character is cool enough. Marvel doesn't have a juggernaut like Harley Quinn though and I doubt captain Marvel will be that.

>>87249217
>if they don't want me, then I wont buy

What makes you think they don't want you? Is it because they're creating main characters that don't look like you?

>>87248736
Seriously, no really seriously, what the fuck is their problem?
This is getting as bad as nazi eugenics.

>>87249027
it can always be

>>87248866
How old is Will Smith's daughter now?

>>87249224
>Wanting your echo chamber back
No. Plus tumblr is the most confusing website I've ever been to. No idea how to use it, don't care for it

>>87249273
I know a lot of really insane feminists who absolutely love Harley even though on paper almost everything about her should be repulsive and "problematic." What they don't seem to like is characters that are custom made to appeal to them.

>>87248929
EIC's wife.
Not even kidding, she really is EIC's wife.

>>87249189
NOTHING IS SAFE!

So, how long until Marvel Hindenburg's itself? 10 years? 5? Maybe even less?

>>87249323
>This is getting as bad as nazi eugenics.

You lost me

>>87249273
>Marvel doesn't have a juggernaut like Harley Quinn though and I doubt captain Marvel will be that.

Maybe if they played Carol as an anti hero they'd have a chance at HQ pull. Or...Karla Sofen.

>>87249298
It couldn't possibly be the shitty stories that more often then not surround those characters that don't look like him or the fact that they've frequently changed characters that did look like him for no reason at all.

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>aut-rightists giving business advice based on their personal bitter shut in politics to the studio responsible for highest-grossing film franchise in the history of film that has already netted $10 billion at the box office alone

Kek stay triggered faggots

>>87249043
You say those are "jokes", but I've never read a generic "lol trans disabled poc" line and found it funny. After the ten thousandth time those really stop being funny or even interesting, my eyes glaze over whenever I see that stuff.

>>87249359
Who?

>>87248961

As opposed to nowadays, where it's an ugly burnt out hunk of ______ bread

>>87249298
No the fact they treat me like a fucking nazi if I want new character instead of just plain killing off some one or having them retire.

Also shit bait dude, you dont know me and you dont know what i like, if they announced they where replacing Black panther, Storm, Warpath, Warmachine, or Falcon id still be pissed.

>>87249393
>It couldn't possibly be the shitty stories

If you didn't like shitty stories then you wouldn't be a fan of comics, anon.

>>87248867
I think they'd consider this as a support for their cause.

>>87249348
it is almost as if women have no idea what they really want
ever

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>>87249216
>let's create a bunch of fan-fic tier non-white/male OCs even though a bunch of comics like X-men already have a bunch of characters like that we never use
>and let's make literally two issue #1s for ever series every year to show how important and ground breaking this is

>>87249216

Why do literal child sjws call things childish.

Do they think having 1/4th of a liberal studies degree makes them adults?

>>87249417
>jokes
I didn't say they were funny, I said it wasn't a small group of "alt-rightists" that produce it.

>>87249416
>highest-grossing film franchise in the history of film that has already netted $10 billion at the box office alone

>led exclusively by white male characters

left that part out, chuckles

>>87249367
depends
how long till they pull their own menbusters?

What female characters could they make a movie out of? No one really cares about Captain Marvel, they're re-doing her origin for the movie so I don't think anyone will be flocking to her stories anytime soon. Hell, Civil War 2 has her as a Minority Report villain and arresting people for crimes they haven't commited.

>>87249476

What the shit are you even taking about? Do you have anything to post but /pol memes?

>>87249373
Well, it's true, it's actually true.
This is bigotry, pure and simple. So what if they discriminate against a majority or the norm, it's still discrimination.
When you come and say, this is racist because the cast is all white or this is sexist because the cast is all male, then you're the racist and you're the sexist.

Man, this thread is pretty embarrassing, just gossiping about what some other group said on a completely different website.

>>87249189
Disney's not going to sacrifice profits to pursue an agenda. They know how to pander to the groups that actually have money.

>>87249417
>but I've never read a generic "lol trans disabled poc" line and found it funny.

Hey look, tranny narcissism.

>>87249502

So you know better about what the future of Marvel Studios should do then the people that created Marvel Studios and led it to this point?

>>87249434
>No the fact they treat me like a fucking nazi if I want new character

I honestly have no clue what you mean by this.

>instead of just plain killing off some one or having them retire.

Were you serious when you typed this or trolling? When has this ever happened ever to a big name comic book character?

>>87249273

female characters that females actually want to see:

codependent slutty violent whores

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>>87249434
>>87249468
I think people underestimate /co/'s off-siter influences, like reddit or CBR. There's significant runoff from those groups as we get brought up fairly often.

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>>87249323
>>87249522

Holy shit anon you need to get off of the itnernet

>>87249027
They're not flops but that doesn't mean the wrong executive move won't end up butchering a script and cause the first one.

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>>87249512
>What the shit are you even taking about?

Daily reminder that SJW children are literally illiterate, and fail at understanding the simple written word

>>87249468
>fan-fic tier non-white/male OCs
Define "fan-fic tier"

>and let's make literally two issue #1s for ever series every year to show how important and ground breaking this is
This has nothing to do with the color of main characters, but rather with how useless comics as a medium are.

>>87249547
>When has this ever happened ever to a big name comic book character?
They literally killed off a black Iron-man so they could have a new black Iron-man.

>>87249511
They make her look bad in the comics, so when they do a completely 180turn for the character in the movies, she will look that much better.

Hey, it worked pretty well for Iron Man in 2008.

Honestly though it's not like these comics have any bearing whatsoever on how a movie will do anyway. If that were the case, Green Lantern would not have flopped for example.

>>87249541

I know you can't possibly understand the meaning of what I'm about to say because you're literally a child and haven't lived enough to understand the passage of time, but:

Time will tell.

Getting rid of all the white men sure has done beautifully for marvel's comic sales? I'm sure that stellar success will be repeated in its movie line.

>>87249522

So in your mind, the only way to not be racist and sexist is to only have all-white all-male casts?

>>87249607
>>Getting rid of all the white men sure has done beautifully for marvel's comic sales?
No.

>>87248736
>Implying Marvel Studios will commit box office suicide with black girl Iron Man

>>87249622
You could be a real politician with all those words you put in people's mouths.

>>87249575
Just came in, but that person was responding to
>>87249476
This comment, which was completely devoid of argument, and essentially was a /pol/ meme reply.

>>87249586
Iron Man has at the very least a competent director and SFX team

Green Lantern was all over the fucking place

You know you're in for a rough time when the uniforms look like Transformers meets Tron

>>87249579

Literally who? I'm curious, but you and I both know that death only matters until someone else comes along and wants it undone.

>>87249627

But hey that all-female ghostbusters remake sure made beaucoup bux at the BO, didn't it?????

>>87249654
Because it wasn't supposed to be an argument you dumb fucker. People are allowed to simply make observations on 4chan.

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Pic related: Jew made, feminazi agenda driven, interracial cuckold supporting, death to all evil white man promoting, SJW trash AKA the third highest grossing film in history

Stay assblasted

>>87249654
>/pol/ meme

Daily reminder that SJW children who can't read literally have to spam "pol meme" to make up for their inability to comprehend the simplest of words and phrases.

>>87249220
>Marvel Comics probably thinks it is genuine advice

fix'd.

Marvel Studios/Disney don't give a fuck, they're a bunch of greedy jews anyway.

>>87249704
You're just as cancerous as the tumblrinas in this thread.

>>87249622
No, the way to not be racist is not to further any racial agenda, whether it's for the good or for the bad of others in your mind.
When you make a movie or you write a comic or whatever, you introduce the characters with a mind for writing a good story or good characters.
Not with a mind to make them as diverse as possible or have less from this race or gender because it's over-represented or because you don't like them or whatever, that's discrimination and it makes you a bigot.
When you make statements like what Marvel's doing now, it's discriminating, it's bigotry. You think you're doing good to some minority or some under-represented group of whatever but you're still discriminating.

>>87249708
First you have to say something with actual meaning.

>>87249682
>People are allowed to simply make observations on 4chan.

So it's not shitposting when you like it

>>87249708

You're not fooling anyone anon. You come into the thread and spew the entire alt-right low effort /pol/ meme garbage word for word and think that no one knows what's your doing?

>>87249751
lol, what do you imagine has "actual meaning", the dogma spoonfed to you by your liberal studies professors?

>>87249745

Not a response

>>87249547
>When has this ever happened ever to a big name comic book character?
Not that anon, but Captain Mar-vell has had a line of successors. Batgirl as well. Also the Robin mantle has been given to multiple people. As well as the multiple people as the Flash. Even Batman has been succeded by Dick Grayson. Granted, the retiree never goes away, and resumes the mantle whether it makes sense or not, but heroes giving up a role either through death or retirement isn't a new foreign concept.

>>87249766
>pol! pol! pol! pol!

Just look at these illiterate children repeatedly failing to rebut my claim that they are illiterate children.

Stay assblasted, babbies.

>>87248867
It reeks of cringe and more cringe. At least these demo graph is actively voicing out their disgust at Marvel.

>>87249800
Your (you) didn't show up? Try refreshing the page.

>>87249748

Anon, you're divorced from reality. This thread EXISTS because of bunch of dudes couldn't not be sarcastic about non-white straight males existing.

Diversifying is always a conscious effort, otherwise people would just make characters that are them and things they're intimately familiar with.

Marvel isn't racist for creating non SWM characters, the people making fun of this are racists for trying to shame them into not doing so. And yes, creating these characters is good because everyone wants to see themselves on the big screen. When white guys have to deal with that disconnect, you get anger like you see in this thread

I don't mind if we have more women or colored or transgendered or whatever, as long as they're new superheroes. This trend of co-opting existing superheroes for diversity is stupid and pleases no one.

>>87249416
There are only two issues that I actually care for with the MRA, and they really are legit.

1. False Rape Accusations
2. Father's Rights

I know the most of you are rather edgy saying they don't need no father and you don't want to have kids because "they're disgusting and contribute to overpopulation", but after seeing the nightmare my Uncle went through with the first one and the horrible things my friends are going through with the second one, I think that they really need to be addressed.

Everyone that I dont like is /pol/ and thus a nazi.

>>87249152
They'd probably cast that fat bitch from Ghostbusters 2016.

>>87249862
Kek, we literally had a thread other day with people defending that more characters should be retconed as gay.

Get out of here baby, you are not on kansas. :^D

>>87249805
>Granted, the retiree never goes away,

Which is what I was saying. Never in this history of a character people can actually name or care about (IMar-vell's a great guy no doubt, but saying he's a big name or even a c-lister is too generous).

>>87249437
I fucks with you so hard anon. My nigga, my nigga.

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>>87249844
>>87249844
>Diversifying is always a conscious effort,
>otherwise people would just make[..] things they're intimately familiar with.

So basically you're saying black people are aliens that white people such as yourself can never hope to comprehend, but you must do you best to write what you think they might be into your comics as much as possible, else they'll be angry?


Yeah, I'm the one disconnected from reality and society.

>>87249805

Didn't even complete my thought, my bad. But yeah, death/retiring isn't something that ever happens in comics. More characters are just created or brought back at a creator's whim, so it was pointless of that anon to say

>>87249844
>Diversifying is always a conscious effort, otherwise people would just make characters that are them and things they're intimately familiar with.

Why can't googles make their own comics?

>>87249511
>What female characters could they make a movie out of?

X-23 is probably the best candidate. Normies already like Wolverine, and she's hot, which is a requirement for success.

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>Marvel

What went wrong so fast?

>>87249792
Not an argument.

>>87249862
>This trend of co-opting existing superheroes for diversity is stupid and pleases no one.

Wrong on both fronts. It generates hype for the companies making these characters, has a money-making name already attached to them, and brings in fans who may have otherwise given yet another comic a pass.

>>87248736

Big talk from a studio that stll hasn't even launched a Black Widow movie.

>>87249522
this

>>87249964
>she's hot, which is a requirement for success.

Are you implying that a trans women wouldnt be able to make it?

>>87249978
DCEU still has to make a single good movie tho.

>>87249998
And yet Marvel's sales are still shit.

Huh.

>>87249998
But it didnt worked mate.

>>87250003
>trans women are not capable of being physically attractive
Straight from the SJW's mouth.

>>87249862
The problem is less the characters themselves, but the writers behind them. When Slott created Silk, she was a fat middle aged man's Korean wet dream, where she literally had to be stopped from fucking Peter at times. It took the writer of her solo to salvage her character and make her worth reading. I'm sure Riri Williams could also be a great character with a good writer. But she's being written by Bendis. Fucking Bendis.

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>>87249216
mfw people STILL say /co/mblr isn't real

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>>87249298
nah it´s more because the actively seem to hate white men and everything that they like (as in heroic male characters and sexy female characters)

they are nothing but sexists and racists but I guess it´s OK because white men are so privileged with being less likely to go to collage, less likely to get government support and more likely to kill themselves and overall a shorter life expectancy

>>87249027
Dceu hasnt had a single flop, while Marvel had released at least 2 movies that never made profit (First Avenger and Thor)

>>87249935
>black people are aliens that white people such as yourself can never hope to comprehend

Not at all. This is probably going to trigger /co/, but using Korra as an example, Bryke are both white but they went out of their way to reproduce and borrow things from Asian cultures to give a flair to their show. No one cried appropriation because it was obvious they tried and succeeded at creating a show that was true to this and people appreciated that.

Of course, there are also people who just grew up around a lot of different cultures and wouldn't need that much effort to make something faithful. It all really boils down to everyone wanting to be represented, and attacking Marvel for trying to do that is just pointless.

>>87249844
Diversity is a good thing. Natural diversity, that is. This is not a conscious effort, this is what comes naturally.
When you write a story and it makes for this character to be black and it makes sense for this character to be a woman, so you write them like that and it's a good thing you did.
You did not write the black character into the story because you want black people to be represented or to punish white people for being over-represented; you write him because the story needs him.
It's like products we import from other countries, it's exactly like that. We don't import cars from Germany because there aren't enough German things in our society but because those cars are good and we want them because they're good, for example. It's just like that.
This is how diversity becomes accepted and welcomed, not when you're trying to force it and you're stating it too that you're doing it consciously.
Forced diversity is not a good thing. When you go out and say that you will make a conscious effort to have more female characters in your stories, because obviously according to you, there are too many males and too few females, then that's forced diversity. It's not a good thing.
You consciously discriminate against one gender, one race, one religion whatever, even if you only meant to benefit some other.

>>87250018
>>87250034

Sales will get better, they just need to be patience.

>>87249947

You're going to have to tell me what you mean by googles, anon.

>>87249964
Assuming the girl is Laura in the Logan trailer, she's way too young to carry a movie. Especially with the tone X-23 comics have had in the past.

>>87248736
/co/mblr is at full force once again.

no wonder every other board makes fun of you

>>87250098
Why does all feminist propoganda end with punching the """"misogynist""""" instead of actually refuting his point? Are feminists really that close to violence all the time?

>>87250001
Nat's not suited for the MCU unless they're willing to change tone. Her niche is espionage and assassination. Unless they go Jason Bourne style or Craig's James Bond, it would be hard to take a BW film seriously if they adapt the current tone the MCU films have.

>>87249511
Pull a Harley and release Thunderbolts with Songbird/Moonstone or NextWave with Auntie Monica/Elsa as main characters

>>87249998
40 keks at this post

>>87250139
>Dceu hasnt had a single flop, while Marvel had released at least 2 movies that never made profit (First Avenger and Thor)
How do you figure?

>>87250018
>>87250034

Because comics as a medium are terrible and irrelevant. Not because of the characters themselves.

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>>87250098
>but I guess it´s OK because white men are so privileged with being less likely to go to collage, less likely to get government support and more likely to kill themselves and overall a shorter life expectancy

Are you trying to say that white men have it harder in life than others?

>>87249864
>false rape allegations

Speaking of, it's interesting how noted feminist Chelsea Cain basically turned Mockingbird into one of those false rape criers and tried to explain it off as empowering her. Makes you think...

>>87250083
Are you upset that there isn't an echo chamber for you to join in on?

>>87250209
She's still the most successful female character the marvelmovies have though.

What else are they gonna do, make a Scarlet Witch movie?

>>87250148
>Avatar didn't exist before Korra
>making a good (Avatar, not Korra) cartoon about an Asian-influenced fictional world is totally the same as "WE MADE CHARACTER WHO'S MAIN TRAIT IS THAT THEY'RE BLACK, DO YOU LOVE US NOW!?!?!"

>>87250155
Yeah keep holding your breath, buddy.

>>87250150
>because obviously according to you, there are too many males and too few females,
And that's not forced?

>>87250201
Because feminists can't actually refute anything

>>87250256
>le echo chamber
I hate most of /co/'s opinions. But I hate Tumblr even more.

>>87250228
>Because comics as a medium are terrible and irrelevant.
Then why do you fucking care what kind of characters are in them?


Did you know that one of the best selling single comic book issues of all time was about old whitey Spider-man saving some random black guy from his drug addiction?

>>87250286
>And that's not forced?

No, it is literally the opposite of forced, based on decades of gradual accretion of storytelling successes.

>>87250198
To be fair, most of the medium/big boards get made fun of by every other board.

>>87250331
>To be fair, most of the medium/big boards get made fun of by every other board.


Not him, but /co/ is known as a casual and dumb board.

>>87250098
>nah it´s more because the actively seem to hate white men and everything that they like

What do "they" like? Being represented in media they like, the same as everyone else. Anon, one moron being punched doesn't take away from 95% of the superhero media that churns out and dominates pop culture being nothing but straight white male ubermenschen.

It's like, you've posted one page that maybe 10,000 people have seen whereas you can see the exact opposite of that by flipping to a random channel. The original anon I was replying to was specifically talking about Marvel "not wanting him" and that's just not the case.

>>87250298
The biggest problem I have with it is that half the time they actually CAN refute the point, they just resort to violence instead. That guy was being an asshole, and there's nothing wrong with wanting to stay away from gender norms. I'm a grown man that watches cartoons and just spent 600 dollars on a doll, so I'm pretty confident in saying there's nothing wrong with a girl that wants to be The Hulk instead of Cinderella.

>>87250253
You know what I hate most about it?
Even a character like Mockingbird has a history in comics spanning over two decades.
There was a time I liked her. I liked her, I liked Ms. Marvel (Carol), I liked Spiderwoman, I liked the Falcon, I liked Jane Foster too, I liked pretty much everyone.
I liked pretty much noteworthy character who was introduced before the 90s.
Now that they're using them to further sinister liberal political agendas, I hate them. And it's a pity, they don't deserve it, they writers do bad with them and these characters are ruined.

>>87250286
If more people are go see a movie with a bunch of dudes in it then a movie with a bunch of women, the people who fund the production of movies will fund more movies with more men. Look at the Ghostbuster's reboot. It barely broke even if at all. Do you think we're going to see a Goonies reboot with the kids replaced with all girls because of that?

>>87250331
/co/ has to be one of the slowest boards on 4chan. which is amazing considering how popular comic book franchises have become over the last 8 years.
this is probably mostly because the entire community and the mods are just sjws at this point which more or less forced the normal anons to leave

>>87250263
>She's still the most successful female character the marvelmovies have though.

Only because before Wanda came on board, she was the only female member. The only time she got proper character development or screen presence was Winter Soldier. The rest she's a one liner or solo action sequence character. She's not a team character and this made her bland and boring.

Solo mode though, Nat's pretty interesting. I mean they can bring in Yelena, the Red Room and her ex husband Soviet super hero but Marvel has to be willing to change the tone of the film.

>>87250331
Even shitholes like /v/ and /pol/ think /co/ is terrible.

>>87250366
/pol/'s known as retarded and full of children
/v/ is known as a bigger cesspool than /b/ in its hayday, but much more pointless and ineffectual
/k/ is known as /pol/-lite mixed with people who literally have sex with their guns
/tv/ is known as a bigger reddit board than reddit
/fit/ is nothing but homosexuals
I could go on.

>>87250150
>Natural diversity, that is.

Doesn't exist. The whole point about it "making sense" for someone to be black or a woman is completely arbitrary. ESPECIALLY if /co/ is anything to go by. The line between forced and acceptable is just nonexistent and pretty pointless to try to define. Any story can happen to any character.

>You did not write the black character into the story because you want black people to be represented

Yes. Yes you do. Stories don't "need" anything because the writer can justify whatEVER they want, no matter how flimsy. Diversity becomes accepted and welcome when the arbitrary line between "natural" and "forced" disappears.

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>>87250003
>B-but DCEU!!

You're pathetic. The fact that you need to bring up a separate universe to move discussion from marvel underperforming and messing up is hilarious

>>87250375
>It's like, you've posted one page that maybe 10,000 people have seen whereas you can see the exact opposite of that by flipping to a random channel
Maybe my memory is being selective but I'm pretty sure media shies away from showing a man punching a tied up woman in the face and presenting it as heroic.

>>87250433
>/co/ has to be one of the slowest boards on 4chan
Have you never ventured out of /co/? /co/ is definitely top ten for post speed. My home board is /toy/ THAT'S a slow board. /co/ is at worst a medium speed board.

>>87250326
That doesn't make sense, as there's plenty of diversity in Marvel's successful comic book characters. It's just that solo MCU movie has been led by a white man.

>>87249268
>tumblr nose for no reason, making everyone look like a muppet

Why did they do this?

>>87250256
>echo chamber
Always asked about by someone who really wants their own.
We have never agreed about shit. Are you mad that that's still the case?

>>87250267
>>Avatar didn't exist before Korra

Please. point out to me where I said this, If you'd be so kind, anon.

>"WE MADE CHARACTER WHO'S MAIN TRAIT IS THAT THEY'RE BLACK, DO YOU LOVE US NOW!?!?!"

Actually, what character(s) are you referring to? Some examples would be nice

>>87250432
>It barely broke even if at all.
And Star Wars Episode VII had a girl in the lead, and made a shitload of money, so I don't think it's fair to say female heroes just don't sell.

>>87250523
>Please. point out to me where I said this, If you'd be so kind, anon
When you fucking implied it was the first thing to ever do this:
>Bryke are both white but they went out of their way to reproduce and borrow things from Asian cultures to give a flair to their show.

>>87250323
>Then why do you fucking care what kind of characters are in them?

Because the superhero industry has a much farther-reaching, more interesting, and more lucrative aspect that I do care about. That much more lucrative aspect still pulls characters from these places, unfortunately.

>Did you know that one of the best selling single comic book issues of all time was about old whitey Spider-man saving some random black guy from his drug addiction?

Nope. How much did it sell? Probably a nice bit of trivia

>>87250553
Because Force Awaken's entire lead cast wasn't female just for the sake of being "revolutionary" and the PR didn't constantly cry victim.

>>87250431
>further sinister liberal political agendas

Please, anon, elaborate. This I have to hear.

>>87250570
>Because the superhero industry has a much farther-reaching, more interesting, and more lucrative aspect that I do care about.
And yet you just agreed that no one is reading this shit. Nice back-peddle.

>>87250566
When they like it it's research, when they don't it's appropriation.

>>87249534
This isn't guaranteed.

>>87250626
>Nursing is not an acceptable field for women.

>>87250472
>showing a man punching a tied up woman in the face and presenting it as heroic.

Do you complain this much when white men punch other white men and are subsequently shown as heroic? Or when white men are shown as leaders, breadwinners, super-capable, super-competent, alpha male everymen? Because that's what I was referring to. You have that one image saved because it utterly halts that freight train of invisible validation SWM unwittingly ride on.

>>87250612
>Because Force Awaken's entire lead cast wasn't female
Marvel's diversity doesn't work like that either though, so the point is moot.
> just for the sake of being "revolutionary"
JJ did try to cast a black guy partly because he thought black guys were underrepresented though.

My point is, you say it's not "forced" to keep doing the things that are traditional from a storytelling perspective, but there are things other than market forces at work there, and one of those things is the fact that in generations past, what could be shown, and who could be a hero was much more rigidly enforced culturally. So carrying on that legacy may not seem like you're making a political choice one way or the other, but you still are. If you fight change, if you fight what people are angling for, you're still artificially enforcing the status quo.

>>87250443
>/pol/'s known as retarded and full of children/v/ is known as a bigger cesspool than /b/ in its hayday, but much more pointless and ineffectual/k/ is known as /pol/-lite mixed with people who literally have sex with their guns/tv/ is known as a bigger reddit board than reddit/fit/ is nothing but homosexuals

And everything you said aside from guns can be said about /co/ just that the people here is usually less educated, and dumber than any of those boards including /v/

>>87250452
Fiction is flexible like that and you can blur the limits between natural and forced diversity, but it does exist.

See, diversity happens on its own, you don't need to force it.
People diversify themselves on their own, if you leave them at peace. Slowly but surely, foreign things will influence their lives as they go on their way.
They will buy their german car, like I said, they will meet foreign visitors and will learn about their country, they will visit other countries themselves, they will try Italian or Mexican cuisine, they will watch foreign films, listen to bands and music from other countries, will wear imported clothes, they actually become diversified themselves.
If those foreign influences aren't forced upon them, they will also not be rejected.

When someone, some group or some organization will try to force such a change upon a group of people, they will reject it.
This is what Marvel does now and this is why people fight back, because is trying to force something even if they mean to do what they perceive to be the good thing.
Really, it's simple, I don't know how can you not see it.

>>87250566
>When you fucking implied

Ah, so never. If it were possible for me to go back and edit in Aang, I would anon, just for you. For now, you've just gotta be content with me retroactively including it and, hey, it doesn't change the content or message of my post one iota.

I would honestly still like that list, too

>>87250783
>aside from guns
Now I want to start a /co/ gun thread to prove you wrong.

>>87250651
>And yet you just agreed that no one is reading this shit. Nice back-peddle.

Hm? I'm referring to the tv shows and movies, though. How am I backpedaling?

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>>87250800
>It's not implied except for the part where I implied it because even though I made a fuck up I just didn't, ok?

>>87249068

Fuck off Tumblr

>>87248992
I love how the way the trailer is made that it looks like China built a wall to keep out Matt Damon

>>87250566
Let me give you and all of /co/ a lesson. Hillary implied Trump has autism in her recent commercial. Here is what actually implying something looks like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwjCU7qNCeM

>>87249416
jesus christ, is this a real /pol/ meetup?

>>87250709

Says who, though?

>>87250856
>Hm? I'm referring to the tv shows and movies, though. How am I backpedaling?
Because none of this recent comic shit is going to have any major impact on the films.

>inb4 hurr ur hiltur cus u don't want riri in the movies
No you fuckwit, I'm just telling you what's gonna happen.

>>87248736
This is why I won't pay for marvel stuff but view it elsewhere

>>87250553
Star Wars had a female lead in a movie franchise known for having female leads who are just as important as the male leads. The Ghostbusters Reboot had all female actors in the lead roles previously held by men. A lot of people wanted the original cast and it showed with how many people actually saw the reboot. It's not to say that female led movies can't can't sell, look at Mad Max, he had like twenty lines in the whole movie and the plot was advanced by the women of the film. It's just that if male led movies do better than female les movies on average, more movies with male leads will be made.

>>87250889

Fuckwits who wasted their time in college on a useless degree like Women's Studies.

A lot of my friends are nurses...my sister-in-law is a nurse. Its a great job

>>87250799
>but it does exist

Oh I agree. And it's an arbitrary divide that has no bearing on anything, because not two people on /co/ can agree on what's forced and what's natural. So it's not worth using to define anything.

>People diversify themselves on their own, if you leave them at peace.
Anon, please.

>>87250861

I see your smug cat and your implication arrows where you're still addressing a point you're laboring under the delusion that I made. I can't stop you, but I never said Korra was the only bit of Avatar media, and as far as my post goes it's interchangeable with TLA. Whatever you're arguing is just inconsequential

>the DCEU panders to real men and women
>the MCU panders to social deviants
Looks like a good deal to me.

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>mfw I legitimately don't know what people are getting pissy about anymore
That's it, I'm done. No reviews, no /co/, no clickbaiting sites, no autistic fucks who moan at every little thing does.

I'm just gonna follow my gut now.

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Gee look at all this icky old white nerd non-diversity.

>>87249141
>unironically wanting a Gwenpool movie
Kill yourself for real my dude.

>>87250998
>>>/tv/

>>87251011
You should have learned that lesson a long time ago.

Dont believe the hype.

>>87251041
But anon, this is a /tv/ thread.

>>87250139
Rotten Tomato says otherwise. enjoy WW

>>87250998
(you)

>>87251011
What's confusing you exactly? You act like we don't have these threads 24/7 hammering the same issue over and over.

/co/ is unhappy with Marvel forcing diveristy when the gesture is so insincere and empty. Diveristy for the sake of diversity is wrong. It's that simple.

>>87251071
>Rotten Tomato says otherwise
Mouseketeers in a nutshell.
>enjoy WW
Thanks. Enjoy Captain Relaunch.

>>87250911
>Because none of this recent comic shit is going to have any major impact on the films.

I disagree.

The turnaround time between Jessica Jones' comic and her getting a tv show was 14 years, even less when you include the development hell it suffered when it was a planned ABC affair. The time between Miles' introduction and him appearing in cartoon form was something like three years. The time between Robbie Reyes' and his tv debut was a year and a half or so.

So I don't see why you'd think a character who stirs the pot as swiftly as Riri does won't at least cameo or something. Why don't you want Riri in the movies, anyhow? It's no secret RDJ doesn't want to do Tony for too much longer

>>87251071
Reviews are reviews. Ticket sales decide if a movie flops or not.

>>87250871
>Hillary implied Trump has autism
You're actually impared if you think that's what the commercial was saying. It was about a mother of a child with Autism being offended at Trump's imitation of a disabled person, not the implication that he had the disability himself.

>>87251128
B...But muh advertising budget! Movies only get half the reported profits anyway! And studios lie about profits!

>>87251124
>Why don't you want Riri in the movies, anyhow?
Are you fucking serious?

>>87249273
>SS was all the proof people needed that women can and will flock to a movie
You're confusing women with idiots.
>Harley Quinn
>juggernaut
Jesus Christ kill yourself

>>87249534
>Disney's not going to sacrifice profits to pursue an agenda

It's called DISNEY ANIMATED FILMS. Those are the agenda indoctrination bullshit ones and because they're "cartoons" stupid ass parents LOVE the shit out of Feminist propaganda in those. After all, they don't take animation seriously. It's why shit like Zootopia or the story of an unrealistic twat cop being competent made a billion at the box office.

>>87250224
Budgets and profits. None of dceu's mobies have failed to make profit. Maybe bot hit exoectations but theyve all more than paid for themselves

>>87251023
That was when Marvel knew how to introduce diversity.
Make new fucking characters, don't steal the place of old ones.
Everybody loves Storm! Everybody!
She's her own character, she didn't steal anyone's place. She became popular because she built her own legacy. She didn't become the new Marvel Girl in place of Jean Grey.

>>87249844
>he's divorced from reality
You're the one trying to be PC on 4chan, I don't know what the fuck you were expecting, assuming you're not just some really dedicated b8 master.

>>87251023
To be fair, Claremont was really ahead of his time, not just in terms of comics, but media diversity in general.

I'm sure if /co/ existed when All-New launched, they'd call him a race traitor faggot.

>>87251155

100%. Please, tell me why you don't want Riri in the movies.

>>87251156
>Harley Quinn
>not a juggernaut
Don't kid yourself, being the Joker's ho does wonders. Just look at what it did for Batman.

>>87251156
>Jesus Christ kill yourself
Different anon here. You must be on crack if you think Harley is not an A-list character these days. She's been likened to DC's fourth pillar of popularity. Her book was #1 in sales for August or someshit. Her Suicide Squad outfit was the #1 Halloween costume for 2 years now.

Wake up.

>>87251158
>Disney's not going to sacrifice profits to pursue an agenda
>"this movie I don't like made a billion dollars"

What was your point exactly?

>>87251220
Well, comic readers did exist, obviously, and back then people were even less liberal than they are now.
But nobody called him that because there was no reason.

>>87251218

I'm only trying to inject a sense of reality into this board/thread. Stay here too long and you may start to get the opinion that the frothing-at-the-mouth opinions are shared by more than a tiny minority.

>>87249068
People on 4chan are getting mad at you, that's how you know you're in the right.

>>87249068
No, this is what happens when you have a sense of humor, tumblr

>>87250871
Dude you're fucking retarded.
A lot of people are going to vote for Trump and that is completely fine--it's a two party system and I can understand not wanting to vote for Clinton.
But if you actually actively support Trump you need to kill yourself

>>87251232
Fine I'll take this bait.
>tell me why you don't want Riri in the movies.
Because she exemplifies all the things wrong with Current Year Marvel.
>Bendis character
>another young female genius
>another black character
>another "legacy" character
>in a book called "Iron Man" when her name is a porn parody
>"Riri" an urban term for "retarded"
>No research done for her creation
>No effort made to make her unique or interesting
>she only exists to satisfy a skin color quota

Do you want me to continue?

>>87251023
Isn't Storm the only non-white person in this picture?
Anyway it's not like Claremont's X-Men is representative of that time. It is rather silly that you guys like it just because its old but won't tolerate anything that goes any further in the same direction of promoting diversity

>>87251353
Or, OR, you're just baiting.

This thread is stupid.
Diversity is not, and has never been the problem.
Shitty writing is the problem.

When you're so eager to have a latino character in your comics you push the book to print without even making sure the Spanish is grammatically accurate, that's not good diversity. That's not good anything.

When your solution to making a Strong Female Character is to take someone and give them amnesia so that you can completely rewrite their rich personality and history, that's not good writing.

When you get on twitter blame those poor sales not on your own inability to sell the product but rather accuse the consumer base of bigotry, that's not just bad writing, that's a complete dick move.

Marvel's half-assing it. They have been for a long time and the consequences of that are starting to be seen. Don't defend shitty practices just because you like the philosophical idea behind them. Don't let corporate interests use a political stance as a shield. That empowers them and devalues the stance.
If you're really trying to champion diversity and representation of minorities in media then I have to ask one simple question:

White, black, male, female, straight, gay. Don't all of us deserve better than Bendis?

>>87251410
If you look closely, you will see a blue man in the picture.

>>87251390
>>another young female genius
>>another black character
>>in a book called "Iron Man" when her name is a porn parody
>>"Riri" an urban term for "retarded"
>>she only exists to satisfy a skin color quota
Kill yourself

>>87251268
she's riding the jokers coattails and american women dressing like sluts isnt anything new

>>87251320
Only a tiny minority of people give a shit about any of this. No matter what you're opinion is, it is held by a tiny minority.
You're just here to validate yourself by doing literally nothing, slaktavist.
Nobody was saved, nobody is converted, nothing is accomplished.
Pat yourself on the back, child, you win!

>>87251455
Amazing rebuttal.

>>87251166
I meant Box-office specifics. Because As far as I've researched, you're incorrect.

>>87248736
Just make a She Hulk TV series.

Have it be a mix of super heroes, ace attorney, and a dash of comedy.

It'd rake in money real easy if done well.

>>87251452
Kurt Wagner, literal person of color

>>87249704
After watching movies like this it's amazing how many beta faggots subsidize Gynocentric shit like this and believe that women can kick ass.

>>87251462
You can rationalize it however you want, but you can wipe away the facts, anon. Harley's a juggernaut.

>>87251455
>another young female genius
>another black character
There's nothing wrong with either of those things.

>>87251390

>Riri is an urban term for retarded

This is about the only thing I could see being an issue.

The rest of it though is laughable. Things that seriously need explaining, because I'm not going to take at face value that they're bad
>Bendis character
>another young female genius/legacy character/black character (and you say I'M baiting!)

Or just opinions turned up to max
>porn parody name
>no research
>not unique or interesting
>satisfy a quota

So, yeah, you're gonna have to continue. Maybe not with new point, but elaborating on these. If you do include new ones, you have to actually explain why they're bad. Only caveat.

>>87251481
Soule shut the fuck up.

>>87251471
Not a rebuttal.
I agree with some of the things you said, but the ones I quoted I thought were self-evidently retarded.
>>another young female genius
Literally so many young male genii in comics, you could shorten this to 'another female.'
>>another black character
Why is this a bad thing
>>in a book called "Iron Man when her name is a porn parody
I don't know what this means but it's stupid
>>"Riri" an urban term for "retarded"
You're retarded
>>she only exists to satisfy a skin color quota
You mean, to increase diversity which is exactly what we're arguing about.

You just hate black people and women, man. The rest of your points are fair, I don't like the character either.

>>87251436
>Shitty writing is the problem.

Anon, there's no way around this. It's comics. It's part of the experience. Not anything to do with a character's color

>>87251363
>Telling people you disagree with to kill themselves
Wow, it's like I'm really on tumblr! Don't you have some artists to bully into quitting?

>>87251549
>it's stupid
>You're retarded
>You just hate black people and women
Wow, you really got burned quick :)

>ITT: SHUT UP WHITE MEN, SHUUUUUUUUT UUUUUUUP!

That's going to work out great. I'm sure the best way to deal with the single most powerful demo on the planet is to whine at their important subdemographic: nerds and fatbeards.
Which is why comics are the battleground. It is winnable. Noting else is at all.

>>87251569
We're on 4chan and you're telling me that it's tumblr to tell other people to kill themselves. Or that online harassment is tumblr. I don't even fucking use tumblr

>>87251467
>Nobody was saved, nobody is converted, nothing is accomplished.

My only real goal was to stop this thread from being an echo chamber, honestly. And yeah, only a tiny minority of people care about comic book characters, but quite a few more care when they get translated to a less trash medium.

>>87250864
>implying it wasn't

>>87248867
>"kek this'll trigger em"
>"Great idea!"
>"WTF WHY ARE THEY NOT UPSET

>>87249216
>nothing wrong with writing characters who are defined by their race, their sexuality, or that they're "empowered"
>nothing wrong with a million #1 issues
>nothing wrong with trashing existing characters top cash in on the brand name instead of making a new original concept
>nothing wrong with demonizing your primary audience in an effort to win over a demographic that has been shown to not buy your product
>nothing wrong with pandering for money instead of focusing on brand quality
You are everything wrong with Marvel's current business plan.

Their comics are failing and I'm glad, maybe they'll learn from their mistakes and get good again.

>>87251582
Nah I would just like you people to be honest.
Just say that you don't want diversity because you hate women and black people.
It makes things much clearer and simpler.
I don't care if you do just stop pretending that you don't, that's the part that's annoying

>>87251590
>single most powerful demo on the planet
Pfft

>>87251220
See, this is the problem with liberals and media, when they see someone complaining about "diversity" they see the enemy, a right winger thats closer to a nazi sub-human evil mongering idiot than just an opposing view point but they fail to see that most people that complain about diversity are not actually bitching about diversity itself but rather the execution of it because as far as I can see Marvel has done nothing but shit out titles that are subpar in quality that have token characters whose entire existence is based on the fact that they are "progressive" and that problem is not just for Marvel but rather all art that is done now and has this "progressive" flag that they love to wave.

Take Whor for example, horribly written, stupidly topical for the sake of being topical, made a character entirely boring and her sole reason to exist was so a woman could have the title of Thor, for the sake of diversity when they could've given any of Thor's female characters a series of her own, focused on her character rather than her vagina.

Quality also matters and it matters most when all you do is being a moralist faggot because if all your art is shit AND moralist then you're left with nothing but shit that preaches to the choir rather than art that is challenging, engaging and is made by moralist faggots, at least in the latter case you can say its good and proposes a different view.

>>87248867
I really like how people are starting to get tired of black people being shoved in everything

>>87251590

The single most self-important demograph.

What's being said: Marvel is actively creating more non-SWM characters

What you're hearing: Our straight white male demographic is in danger!

It's interesting that you view the demographic as powerful, rather than influential

>>87251712
Post pics of naked black ladies if you want me to stop hating women and black people.

>>87251156
Like it or not, she sells more than Supes and wondy.

>>87251530
It's wrong when they're not explored properly. And they can't ever be, because it's Bendis behind them.

>>87251712
False. I like women in my bed and blacks in my plantation.

>>87251735
>people that complain about diversity are not actually bitching about diversity itself but rather the execution of it
But the majority of people aren't complaining about the quality (which I agree about) they're complaining about the characters being black/muslim/gay/whatever. That's why you see shit like this >>87248867 the most. Those fans think being those things are a joke or something. I agree that the comics Marvel is putting out are shit, but they're not shit because of what ethnicity the characters are, they're shit because the writers aren't making a good effort. However, reading the comments, no one seems to care about any of that. People only care that they're not white.

>>87251702
>>nothing wrong with writing characters who are defined by their race, their sexuality, or that they're "empowered"

Could you name some examples?

>nothing wrong with a million #1 issues
This is because comics are a medium of the past. Nothing to do with the color of a character.

>nothing wrong with trashing existing characters top cash in on the brand name instead of making a new original concept
Examples of a trashed existing character?

>nothing wrong with demonizing your primary audience in an effort to win over a demographic that has been shown to not buy your product
Pfft, what? Examples?

>nothing wrong with pandering for money instead of focusing on brand quality
Your WHOLE POST is you being upset that you're not pandered to. It's fine when you're on the receiving end, though. Come on, anon

>Their comics are failing
All comics are failing, to be truthful.

>>87249417
Please, calling them coloured isn't appropriate for this day an age.

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>>87248736
>ERMAGERD WE HAVE TO HAVE EVERYONE REPRESENTED!
>*puts black man in patriotic flag uniform*
>YAAAAAY NOW AFRICANS CAN WEAR THE UNIFORM OF ENSLAVEMENT, GENOCIDE, PROXY MILITIAS AND REGIME CHANGE! YAAAAAY!

>>87251770
>>87251813
It's hard to tell writers to stop demonizing you guys when you are by most standards monstrous people is all I'm saying.

>>87251833
>Examples of a trashed existing character?
Not that anon but I'm Curious. What's Tony doing at the moment?

>>87251735
>they fail to see that most people that complain about diversity are not actually bitching about diversity itself

You should really read the image OP posted.

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>>87251740
>black people being shoved in everything

>>87251867
you're right in there with them if you support identity politics which divide people along lines of alienated labor in a capitalist system over class consciousness

>>87251740

Why?

>>87251796

In your opinion, how would those two things be explored "properly"?

>>87249704
>implying a movie with a female lead like TFA or Alien is in any way comparable to shit like Whor or Mockingbird
Here's your (you), try it on /tv/ for better results.

>>87251590
>Noting else is at all.

But 4chan told me whites are in danger of being bred out due to multiculturalism?

>>87251876

You can't see it but I'm shrugging, anon. Some other poster's going to have to fill you in

>>87251867
Want to see my clown mask?

>>87251893
You realize you just gave more ammunition to your opposition than you fired off at them, right? Your image proves that nobody WANTS minorities on a fiscal level.

>>87251983
No, I'm pretty sure that's just mental illness speaking.

>>87251983
>Your image proves that nobody WANTS minorities on a fiscal level.

Really? Do tell

>>87251935
It's halloween, so I'll give Candyman as a fantastic example of exploring black culture in a novel, interesting and non-exploitative way. It explores problems unique to black people and culture in America, it explores ghetto culture in a way that isn't hamfisted, it's not forced, it's not pandering, and it's not trying to fix decades of problems with one silly message at the end. In a sense, Riri would be the same character if she was white. Candyman would be an entirely different movie if made with more white people. (Different anon, by the way)

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>>87251845
People in the background are always the best part of Con pics.

>>87251983
You have to be trolling

There's no way someone can be this delusional

>>87251530
>>87251539
Not that anon,but "yet another" implies the very opposite of diversity to me.

>>87251833
>All comics are failing, to be truthful.

But this isn't true though, the whole "comics r dying/dead/failing/etc" has been said for decades.

It kinda tired senpai.

>>87251910
I don't support identity politics I just don't hate women or black people, there's a difference.
I don't like what Marvel is doing because it doesn't feel natural and the writing is poor.
My point is that a lot of people wouldn't read books with strong female or black leads even if the writing were good because they hate women and black people, and those people deserve to be demonized because it's just a fucking accurate representation.
You don't have to support identity politics to think racism is bad

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>>87251983
Wrong. The numbers match up with the numbers of minorities IN movies. Comparing these two graphs is pretty solid evidence that a minority as a lead has almost no effect on box office take, which should mean that the numbers of minorities starring in movies should match up with the general population more closely, but doesn't.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/30000-hollywood-film-characters-heres-many-werent-white/

>>87251712
When an administration puts priority on "they must be black" and "they must be women" over "there must be good art and story" is when they should leave. Really. If we wanted to hear preaching, we'd turn on BBC or tune in to Fareed Zakaria. We want to be entertained.

When the message gets the precedence over the entertainment, that's when we have the problem.

>>87252011
Why does a black character have to meet all of those criteria before they're allowed to be featured in media? Why can't they just be a superhero that happens to be black?

>>87251829
Nigger what? We don't fucking care if super heroes are black or white or green. We care that you are making the defining trait of a super hero. I don't want to read a comic about peter parker the Jewish web man, but doing something like having spiderman light a menorah during a holiday issue low key is fine.

>>87252011
White riri is just a hipster chick. Fuck you know what pisses me off more than whor. Its fucking disgusting boring ass hipster chicks with ugly ass hair styles and dyed hair. Like they're trying to show just how they aren't boring. While simultaneously being boring as fuck. I hate that hairstyle and that additude and if there's one thing being forced more than anything by marvel its that entire archetype.

>>87251539
>and you say I'M baiting!
Yeah that's what I'mean saying.

If Marvel truly wants diveristy, why would they create 2 genius level black female children (Riri and Luna), then call attention to it and ask US if the Marvel Universe is big enough for them both?

If Marvel truly wants diveristy, why don't they make a "Iron Heart" book?

If Marvel truly wants diversity, why have two Captain America's, 3 Spider-Men, 2 Hawkeyes, 3 Hulks, 2 Thors, etc?

Please. These are empty gestures at diveristy. Quotas. Nothing more.

>>87252095
That's fine if they're not racewashing existing characters to meet the quota, or pretending that the character 'just being black' makes them special. In a perfect world, there would be plenty of superheroes just being black or hispanic or asian, but Marvel is pushing the 'she's black so she's progressive' narrative while doing nothing to actually make it progressive, or by even harming the purpose by making it borderline blaxploitation.

>>87251833
You clearly don't read comics, since they're "failing", so why should your feelings on the medium hold any water compared to people who have supported the industry for years?
The problem isn't minority characters; look at the X-Men, look at Heroes for Hire.

The problem is every millennial who's seen Avengers and read a wiki is now "a huge comics nerd" who feels the need to change an existing industry to cater to their niche interests.

Every female protagonist needs to be a quirky 20 something with a blog, because that's all they can identify with.
We've had strong female/minority characters for decades, but now people who don't read comics are inspired to check them out and find cleavage offensive (but couldn't care less about the chiseled and clearly defined ass of characters like Spidey and Dick).

For every proper new addition like Kamala, there's a load of trash like Unbeatable Squirrel Girl and "ask me about my feminist agenda" Mockingbird.

It's not the diversity that scares people, it's that so few people can do diversity WELL.

>>87251829
>>87251884
I see people mocking Marvel's virtue signalling which may not be the case if you made great work, if the work can stand by itself rather than by its moralism then it would be taken seriously.

I dont think this is about 'diversity' but rather the quality of the people that do this because people that describe themselves as "progressives", and Marvel, are shallow as fuck and you see that in those retarded tumblr descriptions of "pansexual, demiwhatever, female penis having whatever the fuck" and I believe that thats whats being mocked, the virtue signalling.

>>87251935
On how alienating they can be. On how isolated Riri would be.
I'm not female, but I am black and I did skip grades and get sent to gifted programs and my biggest takeaway from that was how alone I was; I was often the only black kid in the room where everyone was a good 5 years older than me so our interests skewed differently. I can only imagine how much worse it'd be if I were female on top of that. Try making friends in a summer camp for arts and sciences where you stick out like a sore thumb and you're removed by not only distance, but a whole slew of other factors you have no control over like race and age. It's no fun. Try going back and having your neighhboor and best friend stop talking to you beause he thinks that YOU think you're better than him because you go to a fancy prep school (and he doesn't know, can't and won't, that you envy how easily he fits in at his school and that you're again the odd man out among all the rich white irisn and italian jocks and you just wish you could be "normal".)
Combine that with the fact that Riri is fifteen, and even a "normal" 15 year old is going to feel like they're alone in the universe.

Personally, I think that the vast majority of writers doing these teen genius books, regardless of what other race/gender qualifiers they tack on, need to get a much deeper appreciation for Flowers for Algernon ebfore they type out word one. Because that's what it's like. Your parents and teachers are thrilled because you're on the honor role, while you're crushed by an all consuming and inescapable loneliness made all the worse because they're insisting you should be proud of yourself.

But I can almost promise you that Bendis isn't going to do any of that stuff. Bendis couldn't even take five seconds to google "Iron Heart". and see it was already being used by porn.

>>87252084
Art, especially narrative art based around people who act in the name of good, is going to be political. It's going to express a viewpoint one way or another.
I don't think message should supersede quality, I do agree that Marvel editorial sucks, but if you're against comics that express politics just because you disagree with them then you're fucking gay.
I mean, how did you feel about Morrison's Animal Man? It's super political while also being really good. Stories can be both

>>87248961
>not liking white bread
Here we go.

>>87249430
Expired, used up, mixed, filled with garbage, "diverse," and "multicultural" bread.

>>87252235
>Art, especially narrative art based around people who act in the name of good, is going to be political. It's going to express a viewpoint one way or another.
This.

>>87248867
The hilarious thing is that this is CBR and the commenters are likely people who used to post on their forums, but were banned for SJW reasons. Only posters left are far leftists who embrace every forced diversity change. If you say anything against it, you get banned.

>>87252008
>>87252040
The graph says "Top Grossing"
"Top Grossing" is what sells.
Do you expect is to ignore the clear correlation between predominately white casts and high sales? I'm not saying causation, just correlation.

>>87249027
All the Marvel movies are flops except Avengers and Civil War.

>>87249511
I say wipe the slate with Captain Marvel. Fuck whatever Marvel Comics is doing and actually make an established likable character before you start trying to make "moral ambiguity".

>>87251893
>>87252077
>pbs.com

Want me to post a diagram from stormfront.com disproving yours?

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>>87251410
>Isn't Storm the only non-white person in this picture?
>implying slavs and potatoniggers are white
Nice try, faggot.

>>87252122
If you only care that the character is being a "token" and having their ethnicity/religion/sexuality be their defining trait then maybe don't insult the defining trait because then it seems like THAT'S what you have the problem with. Obviously not everyone does this but it's still clear that the majority of people just have a problem with minority characters because it's "shoving it in our faces" or some shit.

>>87251156
>You're confusing women with idiots.
What's the difference?

>>87252235
I agree, but the problem is that all characters now are representative of one political ideology.
You know it's propaganda and not a proper narrative when fucking Batman becomes a tool in favor of BLM.

>>87252371
>implying sjws can read

Don't trigger xir for xor disability please.

>>87252476
Bat Lives Matter.

>>87252011

I actually haven't seen Candyman, so I can't comment on how apt the example you're presenting is, but I'm seeing hamfisted, forced and pandering, which are indisputably subjective reactions. So, who knows

You're going to have to elaborate more to bring me up to speed, if it please you

I've always found it odd how Marvel comics makes a huge deal of gender, but then Marvel movies isn't giving us a female lead film until what, 2019?
And no one seems to care. Marvel movies do the same straight white male protagonist that Hollywood always catches flack for, but people are fine with it.
It's just really weird.

>>87252538
Its a small but vocial minority. Comics are desperate enough to listen to them while movies are popular enough to ignore them. This whole diversity agenda is really getting annoying. There's nothing wrong with diversity but not every thing needs to be captain planet. the world doesn't look the same everywhere you go.

>>87250375
>It's like, you've posted one page that maybe 10,000 people have seen whereas you can see the exact opposite of that by flipping to a random channel.
Where can we see men, portrayed positively, tying up women and assaulting them when they say feminist things, published by a major?

Because I'd buy the shit out of that comic.

>>87252192

The problem is every millennial who's seen Avengers and read a wiki is now "a huge comics nerd" who feels the need to change an existing industry to cater to their niche interests.

You mean the actually profitable aspect of the superhero industry? And seriously can you name these characters who have been changed to cater to non-white straight male interests?

>Every female protagonist needs to be a quirky 20 something with a blog, because that's all they can identify with.
So? You need a straight white male protagonist who's attractive and has lots of sex because that's all you can identify with. At least, if comics are anything to go by

>it's that so few people can do diversity WELL.
It's pretty disingenuous of you to say this on /co/ of all places. This is a black hole-sized empty sentiment because "doing diversity well" is undefinable. In people like you's opinions, any diversity you don't like is forced and that's immutable.

>>87252754
People like Jessica as Green Lantern and her muslim partner here. You have no real argument :V

>>87252229

It sucks that you went through that anon, but I can't look at Riri and see her not being the alpha male in the room. Those are some pretty interesting struggles, but not ones I can imagine her having.

>>87252476

So what you want is characters who skew closer to you more ideologically? Characters who are represent you more closely?

>>87252669

See

>>87250729

For the proper response.

>>87252812
>People like Jessica as Green Lantern and her muslim partner here

As an addendum to my statement, and diversity you DO like is diversity done well.

>>87252958
What is the problem with it?

>>87252818
That's what makes her an awful character.. If there are no flaws then there can be no growth. Same problem with hellcat and whor.

>>87252442
>potatoniggers

they're derived from scandinavians. also potatoes are a new world plant

>>87253025

I didn't say there was a problem with it. Only that the difference between diversity done well and diversity done poorly is whether or not the poster liked it. It isn't a useful definition

>>87253131
Why? We are the potential consumers that they are trying to cativate.

>>87253051

Well, Riri probably does have SOME struggles, but yeah, a character with no flaws is an awful character. I agree

>>87253164
>Why? We are the potential consumers that they are trying to cativate.

Why isn't an entirely arbitrary and subjective reaction a useful definition? I'm sure you can figure that one out, anon

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>>87253094
No one cares, tumblrtard.

>>87253200
>Why isn't an entirely arbitrary and subjective reaction a useful definition?

Who said it isn't?
It exist to define how people personally feel about it.

Ignoring it is failing marketing.

>>87253201
Please remove Northern Ireland and Scotland from your face.

>>87252754
/r/ing the edit of Mockingbird's origin monologue that got the same point across without shouting "BECAUSE OF MENNNNNNNN" every single panel to show this idiot what good diversity looks like

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>>87253201
found the redcoat

>>87252754
>So? You need a straight white male protagonist who's attractive and has lots of sex because that's all you can identify with.
So you really don't read comics.

>>87249298
>We need more representation because black readers need black characters that look like them
>But whites should read books about blacks because race doesn't matter bro

>>87253528
You're acting like there are no books with white characters. Even the ones who are replaced still have a book.

>>87253281
Nigga just ignored you.

Seriously, if we can't use subjective opinions to judge a book to support, what we should use?

Tumblr is retarded.

>>87251845
Based Siri

>>87253166
>Well, Riri probably does have SOME struggles,
It's Bendis.
The same guy that goes "Miles' venom touch isn't an instant win! Fuck you!" and then has Miles beat Blackheart with the venom touch.

>>87248961
>unironically using "current year" as an argument
please

>>87253281
>>87253670

I'm not saying don't use your personal judgment on whether or not you buy a book. I'm saying that defining what is and isn't "well-done diversity" is entirely opinion based and undefinable. By all means, be subjective about the books you buy.

>>87253741

Comics are ridiculous, what else is new?

>>87251983
>Being this autistic to actually give a fuck about a person's skin color and not actual story itself
End yourself.

>>87253890
>I'm saying that defining what is and isn't "well-done diversity" is entirely opinion based and undefinable. By all means, be subjective about the books you buy.

But it is what people do.

You are just mad that most subjective opinions are that it is bad.

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>Watching nigger things

>>87254109
Again, no answer to what is said.

Tumblrites only believe on subjective opinions when it is to their gain, anything else is nazi speech.

>>87249043
>It's not just a Taiwanese knitting forum that dislikes SJWs.
This is so fucking true

The Guardian runs so much radical left shit and, when they allow comments, their community tears them apart for it

Based Theresa May ridiculed safe spaces in Parliament

I wonder if this "regressive left" thing is more of an American to be honest, it's being shot down here quite publicly

>>87254705
The funniest part is that if you desagree with anything you are an alt right nazi, there is no middle ground for them, we see it at the patethic attempts at defense on this thread.

>>87254705
>>Based Theresa May
Hi chav.

>>87249298
No, its cause their replacing legacy characters and changing all their comics tones to "quirky comedy"