How's Your Webcomic? /hyw/ #311

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Scrub Authors GOODIE Bag
Here’s a short list of sites that any new webcomic artist or writer will find handy:
>*-Struggling to find that perfect FONT? Create your own using this link;
http://www.myscriptfont.com/

>*-Don’t forget to brush up on that ANATOMY:
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
http://www.quickposes.com/pages/timed

>*-What’s a list without some reference STOCK IMAGES?
People: http://senshistock.deviantart.com/gallery/
Scenery: http://www.shutterstock.com/

>*-Here's a big fat compilation of CHARACTER DESIGN REFERENCE:
http://www.pinterest.com/characterdesigh/

>Links to get a rough WEBSITE started up:
Easy to use tumblr webcomic theme:https://www.tumblr.com/theme/39018
Do’s and Don’ts for starting a site:http://pastebin.com/kNR2W5mV

>Contact sheet if anyone wants to put information down, like their site and webcomic:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwfOSHXfrgvcf--PkPz9jXL6p5RqIsrYvXYwgQpgT3k/edit#

>DISCORD CHAT going on,
Ask for an invite in the thread.

>Wise words from John Cleese:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfl6Lu3xQW0

>Invisible Ink:
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_1.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_2.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_3.pdf

>Paper Wings
http://chrisoatley.com/category/podcasts/
https://web.archive.org/web/20140625035030/http://paperwingspodcast.com/

>Fonts for your webcomic on Blambot:
http://www.blambot.com/

>Writing Resources:
http://www.cienciasecognicao.org/rotas/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Robert-McKee-Story.pdf

>Guide to promoting your comic:
http://miss-melee.tumblr.com/post/143483233951/

>Comics for makin' comics!
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/9pf1nwwa92lbp/Comics_for_making_Comics

Jeez I get up for 2 measly hours and the thread falls off page 10

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To get things rolling, make a comparison image comparing some aspect of your first page (preferably no covers or titlecards) to your most recent page. Has the art/writing notably changed? How long have you been making your comic? Are you proud of your progression?

>>85773359
Ugh, I can't stand my first few pages anymore.. Until recently I kinda could

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>>85773359
Comparing how I drew Michael. The obvious shifts were intentional - color, shading, penciling instead of digital lining. I like the change in how I draw his face. His backpack's proportionate now, and I redesigned his shirt (though you can't see that under the hoodie) to a punchier logo. I like how soft his hoodie looks comparatively, even if I don't have clothing folds down completely.

Can't say my hands are that much better, sadly. The backgrounds need more work as well, though it's comparing geometric-based interiors with piles of rocks and bunches of leaves.

Overall, I need to practice, but I'm not too displeased with the progress. Switching to pencils was a boost.

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still just drawin characters. need to buy a dang tablet already

>>85774140
>dopeysmile
indeed. what's the comic gonna be about? little ant creatures that have their own little society and rituals and shit/

>>85773869

I honestly like the first page better, btw, tone down the "addition" on your layers, and tone down the lights and add a few more darks to help balance out the image. It looks rather blurry at places, especially his cheek and her hair, if you fix just his cheek even it would be solid and good to go.. But all in all it looks good.

>>85775972
I wasn't going to say it because this is discouraging as hell, but I like the first page better too. I've watched our good TP working really hard on this and .. maybe it's too hard, because every new reworking seems to wear it out, like a paper that's been erased so mant times it's going to tear.
That said, yeah, you can see the improvements in proportion, anatomy, perspective.. he's obviously not improving backwards. Just maybe hitting kind of a bump in rendering

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>>85774634
heh that sounds cute. i like that. but no, she's actually an alien. she studies for her abductions class by abducting fish out of the ocean. She gets discovered by a young human boy when she accidentally abducts the fish he just caught.

so then the comic is about the two of them, and the trouble they get into and stuff.

>>85776340
good, because that's already a thing. i think it was called gallivants
your idea is better! sounds pretty fun

>>85776365
thank you! ive been writing and rewriting like crazy, finally happy with the story now. all thats left is working on the art.

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>>85775972
Yeah, I can see where the addition (Lumi/Shade) is a little abrasive. Messes with the base colors. I was trying to emphasize the light here, given that the point of the page was to show off the sunlight, but I guess I went overboard with it. I also used airbrushes more than the standard pen/brush tools, so I'll try to use more of those to avoid the blurs.

My tablet's being uncooperative so I couldn't mess with the finer details but I turned off the addition for the second and third panels and played with the contrast/brightness levels. Still not totally satisfied with it, but I'll take a new approach to the next page.

>>85776281
>overrendering to the point of totally wearing a piece out
Seems to be the name of my game. The color's a new thing so I'm not discouraged by criticisms, I'll just work it.

Thank you both for the advice!

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>>85773083
not well, i feel like each page looks shittier than the last

Did I not decree #310 to be the last? Did you not learn your lesson?

>>85778771
Who are you again? Thanks for bumping the thread and keeping it from expiring; have a (You).

Too bad you didn't save the last one with your ostentatious displays of disapproval, you let us all down there.

>>85778807
Oh, but I did. http://desuarchive.org/co/thread/85691040/#q85767396_1

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Got a few more comics. Not sure if these are funny. Sorry about the large size. 1/3

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>>85778948
2/3

>>85778857
Really? The /hyw/ #310 I have in my Thread Watcher only has the "Buddy" villain doodle as the last post.

Still, you didn't save the thread with a well timed bump, and the fact that this is /hyw/ #311 means you've failed again. If only you put this much effort into making your own webcomic, like the rest of us. It's not too late though. Why not pick up a pencil again today?

>>85778948
Second panel, you read the reply to "I'm a writer" before you read "I'm a writer." You need to fix the word bubbles so that doesn't happen.

>>85778962
Thanks everyone for feedback last time. I'd love to hear more. 3/3

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>>85778978
actual 3/3

>>85778972
This absolutely pathetic post is emblematic of the culture of disease, rot and ruin that plagues /hyw/. Uppity amateurs who think their half-baked, fully-toasted scribbles are worthy of e-publishing. /hyw/ was a mistake.

>>85779017
Who are you again, and why does your opinion matter more than anyone else's? What do you hope to gain from seeing the end of /hyw/? Wouldn't you have to go begging for attention from somewhere else?

Here's something for you to do: draw a comic strip detailing your grievances with the /hyw/ threads, and why their existence upsets you so much. Post a Work In Progress and I'll give you a critique.

>>85778948
I snerked.

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>>85773359
First page of first draft compared to first page of current draft. First one was finished 23rd November 2015, second one finished 19th February 2016. I got a lot better at colors and efficiency after I scrapped the old version and started over.

>>85777084
I feel like I give this advice to everyone here: Make your lines thicker.

>>85778771
Fuck OFF.

>>85779290
You want the lines to look... THICC?

Anyone uses wordpress+ comic easel

>>85779996
Yes, what do you want to know?

>>85779996
Yes, it works pretty good.

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>>85777299

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>>85773359

>>85780376
Are they all pregnant?

>>85780376
>lending out a pencil can lead to pregnancies

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>>85773359
First page, Feb 2015: Abject garbage
Last page, 18 months later: Abject garbage with slightly neater word balloons

m-making comics is great r-right guys?

>>85780376
I hate that all these girls are pregnant. It's disgusting.

>>85781923
just because you will never impregnate a girl doesn't mean you should hate all pregnant girls

>>85781923
Neat.

>>85781923
I hate pregnant girls too, anon but the story and writing are actually pretty good, anon.

>>85782341
C'mon son.

>>85782771
I am not coming on anything. This is a blue board.

Has anyone statistically found the optimum frequency for releasing new content?

>>85784206
It entirely depends on the minimum acceptable level of quality for both you and your readers.

>>85784542
yes but there is an acceptable. I'm sure If you release 3 panels every 10 years no one will remember.

I'm talking from a marketing point of view. If anyone here is into that and has tested "retention rates" or whatever it's called.

>>85784206
In general speed is more important than quality for readership, as long as you have a decent baseline. As long as you can live with yourself, the optimal way to create a webcomic is to draw cartoony shit, spending less than an hour per page, and updating daily.

If you can't live with yourself doing that, then updating with a page two times per week is acceptable. Once per week you'd have to be outstanding to make much of a splash.

>>85781254
justify your text please

im writing a graphic novel about my sex addiction, does anyone wanna draw it? i can pay in pizza rolls.

>>85785080
That already is justified.

>>85785123

Expand on the idea please.

>>85779247
hey we never see you around. what's your comic about? I immediately dig it at least a little. even if I wanna move your mouths up a little and your eyes further apart slightly. you've made massive improvements in just the 3 months here you describe.

>>85785166
don'y reply to text-justifying-meme anon

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>>85780131

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>>85785205
I mostly lurk and give short advice, since I only recently started my webcomic and there's very little to it yet (only 8 pages uploaded).

It's a horror/mystery comic about a girl with brain problems who gains reality-altering powers and ends up entangled in a serial killer case. And then bad stuff happens, at every possible opportunity. You can read the little there is over here: http://dologhon.thewebcomic.com/

abnor guy, did you get my proofreading email?

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hi

>>85785485
sephiroth and aeris??

>>85786811
YEAH! YEAH!!! HELL YEAH!!! THIS LOOKS GOOD!
who are you and where can i read more?

>>85786853
Calm down, spaz.

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Work In Progress - pencils, first pass at inks.

>>85776552
Same as what everyone else said, dial down the rendering a tad. Try to take object texture into account when shading, because at the moment it seems like everything is shaded in the same manner, be it grass or rocks. Also since you hand-letter I recommend buying the Ames Lettering Guide to help keep text uniform. I read through your webcomic and I'm interested to see where it goes.

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Finished this page!

>>85782023
I already impregnated your mom. I was angling for an abortion, but then you were born and made everything 1000x worse. :(

>>85787332
NO THERE'S TOO MUCH IN THIS PAGE THAT I LOVE I NEED TO KNOW MORE

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Next page finished

>>85791354
definitely neat seeing how this has changed since the last WIP

>>85792313
Glad you like it.

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>>85773083
Well fuck, didn't see how quickly the last thread died. Re-posting.

The Sisters Updated: 4 Pages.
Jam casts a new spell.
http://thesisters-comic.com/
https://tapastic.com/episode/439286

Next week: Ex-girlfriends from Jersey.

>>85773869
I do honestly prefer the older style. It was a lot cleaner and easier to make out all the features of the characters. Your newer colors are somewhat muddly--or they blur. You should strive to split the difference, I think you'll find a happy medium that way.

>>85784206
We've found that doing 4 pages a week ensures us a net of about 3-6 new subscribers. But it helps that the scripts are done ahead of time, as are the character designs/sheets and the thumbnails are directly worked off of. Releasing updates that carry a scene, leading into the next scene/update without too much being left hanging, always sits right by me. The best update frequency is one that doesn't bungle pacing or leave you stuck in Dodgeball Namek.

>>85785613
Just looked at it. Some of the faces during the childhood sequence look...awkward. But I like the shift after the explosion, and it looks like it could be really cool once there's more pages to it.

>>85785613

>http://dologhon.thewebcomic.com/

Really solid stuff, honestly intrigued and will probably be following it now.

You have some really nice panel pacing, story progression pacing, and some damn nice attention to detail. Some anatomy stuff is off, but it doesn't matter, it works atm and that's all that matters. The mood, atmosphere and color choices are really well thought out as well.

Keep up the awesome work!

>>85792959
Yeah I've always had troubles with anatomy. Unfortunately I don't improve that much for the next like 10 pages in that area, but it gets a bit better eventually. Thanks for the words of encouragement.

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>>85776552
I tried doing a quick paint over of your first panel. I hope you don't mind. I think you should try distinguishing the background from the foreground more by incorporating atmospheric perspective. Everything is given equal weight if it's all rendered the same. I tried getting the effect of intense sunlight you were going for. The intensity of light is also felt from how much reflected light hits the shadow side of objects, so I tried adding that. I think you should also think more about what ambient light source is lighting the shadow side. In this case it's the sky, so I tried shifting the shadow colors towards blue and brightening them. I hope this helps some.

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well, gotta bump with sump'n
here's a preview

>>85786811

It's good, especially the anatomy and coloring and values. Although the pacing is off a little and it feels like your missing a few panels.

In the first panel, you should show her actually hitting the beast with said beast in the panel as well, or a portion of the monster, if feels cut off and edited out. The sequence doesn't feel whole.

In the 4th as well, having some red and orange action lines in the background going diagonally, thinner lines at the upper left, getting thicker down to the lower right might help, or simply adding some color instead of the white, or even a blurred background shot.

But it is a very strong page none the less.

>>85796792
what, you don't wanna post the dynamic poses image?

>>85796980

I was gonna go deeper into the comment about how the 4th panel action pose being too stiff and not fluid/dynamic enough, with an example in the lower left of the sketches with a closer representation of what it should look a little closer to. But I thought I would get flak from the hug-boxers.

>>85795162
Your paintover is gorgeous and I appreciate the tips. Would the light source lighting the shadow side not be the sun reflecting off the rocks they're facing, though? Would that much blue be realistic?

>>85773118
looking at this for starting up a website. How easy to use is wordpress? Do I have to put wordpress into the url if I use it?

>>85798494
iirc wordpress is sort of a creation tool, not a hosting site.

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Remember when this comic used to update more than once a week? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Thanks to CarrionGirls guy for pose inspiration. that one time we did pixel art. It was the jam.

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Haven't quite finished the drawing for the next page, but I'm trying to get some of the main colors of the page down. Avoiding blur tools, going to add in some sun dappling later, the tree texture's just a stand-in, etc. etc.

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>>85801305
I also did this and think I overcompensated for how much light was in the last page in the direction of "way too dark" but the point of the exercise was to do it again without using blurry tools so as far as that goes I think it worked out.

>still no scandy leaked nudes
What is the point of living

>>85801367
I actually think it's more fun painting without blurring. there's something weirdly satisfying about doing your best Monet

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Just trying to get a newspaper style strip. Wanna make a few of these for a personal project. Thoughts?

>>85778948
>>85778962
>>85778992
I'm the person who did these and I'm trying to think of a name for my webcomic. Any suggestions? At the moment all I have is: Webomic

>>85773359
>tfw if i wanted to post pic-related, i'd get a duplicate file error with the template because i'm a procrastinator.

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Update! What do you guys think?

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We're at a comic con today - anyone else at Melksham?

>>85803435

I like it, but since someone else will point it out anyway;

Ms. Melee's word balloon in the last panel is creating some tangents with the desk. It could also stand to be a little bigger to, probably.

Also, the tail of the guy's word balloon probably shouldn't have the point end right on his hair outline.

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Latest page

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>>85803678
Fixed!

>tfw you wish you didnt have to attach yourself to your webcomic but you know that youd have to reveal your identity eventually

Im a fucking loser, why cant i seperate my work from myself as a person

>>85805179
It's the Internet, you don't have to reveal shit if you don't want to.

Just make sure if you own your own site that you have whois protection enabled.

>>85805179
Why do you care? Is it lewd?

>>85805801
No, I just hate myself as a person and want to separate my personal failures as a human being from my comic

>>85805865
Why not combine them? That's what every other webcomic artist does.

>>85805865
If you're a failure you have nothing to lose.

>>85806049
Better to be a private and unknown failure than a public laughing stock

>>85801946
Purple Pussy / 10

>>85801981
webomic without the c? that's kind of appropriate but hard to search
maybe something similarly pitiful though.. like Unpleasant Ointment
>>85803435
Hahahahaha no fuckin' way.. does she seriously..
>>85803811
Noice. I like this version. Though I do think the last panel doesnt actually look like it's coming out, and doesn't give me any idea of whether it's like a spray or what
>>85805865
people like failures. work with that.

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>>85807652
>Though I do think the last panel doesnt actually look like it's coming out, and doesn't give me any idea of whether it's like a spray or what

Yeah, I think so, too. I might have to change this.
In the meantime, enjoy a cute fairy girl

>>85807333
i agree with this, as a queer comic artist i don't really want people to know who i am and end up having my actual identity be an issue when people go to read my comic.

>>85808459
oh hellll yes i love cute fairy girls

>>85809547
it's safe to assume you're either queer or the kind of busybody that makes queer comics to make up for their straight guilt and look really hip and cool to the progressive community
so you're not really hiding much

>>85811016
people like you are why people like me hide behind pseudonyms, you just make broad generalizations and insinuations about my personal character and my work and write me off as some kind of disingenuous panderer

>>85811223
hey, i'm making broad generalizations about your WORK and how nobody but one of those two kinds of people would make it. your character doesn't factor into it.
Prove me wrong, fag. If you're not one of those irritating types, then DON'T hide your real self. Be awesome and let that speak for itself

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The transition from layouts to first draft pencils is always fun.

>>85811223
>hide behind pseudonyms
i hate that in the modern internet using a pseudonym and not revealing your real identity is considered a problem, and is the kind of thing that gets people asking questions.

(i don't doubt your justifications for doing so - i have such practical concerns as well - but i'm ideologically the sort that believes everyone should be pseudonymous or anonymous online unless they're engaged in commercial transactions and even then you've got bitcoin.)

Where else do you post your comics or at least advertise them?
Deviant Art, Tumblr, Leddit?

>>85812945
DA and Tumblr only work if you already have a good fanbase. Reddit only works if your comic captures their attention.

>>85811607
it sounds like youre assuming they make queer progressive comics based solely on the fact that they said theyre queer...

>>85812847
i feel like im sort of in the middle on this. I want to use a pseudonym simply because i dont like my real name. but im totally fine with people knowing who i am. in fact im probably narcissistic enough that i would be really happy if a fan wanted to know more about me.

>>85813082
What? They said they're making a queer comic, and only queers and tryhards would say that.

Oh wait, by 'as a queer comic artist' did they mean a comic artist who is queer? Surely not, since that's not something you have to actually say

>>85813137
I see the confusion now. I think when they said "as a queer comic artist" it meant "as queer artist who makes comics" and not "as an artist who makes queer comics"

queer was describing artist, not comics.
i could be wrong though.

>>85813253
>>85813137
oh fuck lol i didnt even read your second sentence. ok im leaving.

>>85813285
>>85813253
>>85813137
>>85813082
It shouldn't matter seeing as LGBT don't belong in our community anyway and we should be actively working against their agenda as they're turning comics into a progressive hellhole that values censorship over freedom to write what you want.

>>85813372
With an attitude like this, it's no wonder no comics in these sorry threads are professional level.

>>85813372
now imagine a gay artist who also doesnt want censorship and progressive hellholes, and just wants to write comics. your attitude would be a good reason for them to not want people to know who they are.

>>85813372
nah that's mostly cowardly businesses caving to a vocal minority of a vocal minority.

your enemy should be the fact comics are run entirely as a business with little creative concern, not a few whining people. people always whine.

>>85813372
Why don't you judge comics based on their narrative and visual merits, rather than the sexualities of the characters? If a webcomic about a buttgendered ham planet has more engaging writing and art than one about normal people, there's no reason to limit yourself.

>>85813449
not that guy, but, well, no, it wouldn't. Sisters guy is a homo but he actually let people know what kinda cool awesome guy he was, so by that point nobody gave any fucks. whereas anyone who labels their comic 'a queer comic' is either gay or an insufferable progressive twat.
So at that point, if you out yourself as the former, you relieve the suspicion of being the latter. does that make sense?

>>85811223
i feel this too. i'm cis/white/straight but i have characters who aren't because i see that in real life... it'd be boring to only write about people like myself. but then i get accused of having an agenda when i am literally just translating the
world around me. i used a nickname for a long time to post comics because people receive your work differently when they know you're a woman (or in other people's cases queer, poc, trans, etc.) it's a real bitch. we get shit on just for existing.

>>85813687
And see, that's just going to happen because of different viewpoints about reality and about depiction of it. You're just trying to repeat what you see, I can't fault you for that. I may want you to see something different, but the sensible thing to do is to use MY art to influence that, instead of just yelling at you

>>85813664
wow has it ever even occurred to you that maybe someone wrote queer comics for queer people aka NOT FOR YOU you insufferable asshat? who died and made you the judge of what is and is not an acceptable form of being gay? why do you get to decide who is "good" gay and who is "bad" gay?

you are a fucking damn narcissistic jizzmop

>>85813761
While I agree with your point, your writing style reeks of tumblr, which I suggest you return to.

>>85813761
>why do you get to decide who is "good" gay and who is "bad" gay?
because they make it so obvious
the bad kind is the kind that tries to make it their entire identity. that's literally the same as, and just as annoying as, anyone who tries to make their interactions with the opposite sex their entire character. johnny bravo etc

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>>85813687
>never correct anyone on here when they call me a dude because I can't be bothered
>accused of pathetically making my main character my ideal waifu and her nerdy boyfriend a self-insert
>it's the opposite

>>85813882
you do realize that makes you us nerdy guys' perfect waifu
cant blame you for not correcting people I s'pose

>>85813449
>artist
>wants to write comics
Hmm...

>>85813999
>not both writing and drawing your own comics
What are you, some lazy one-or-the-other?

>>85813882
This actually happened to me, sans the waifu bait thing. Most people think the MC is my self-insert when he's really my dream boy. But... that's what I get for being attracted to moe nerd boys.

>>85814027
I personally don't think artists should write, I've never met an artist who could write very well. And I especially don't think a gay artist should write anything.

>>85814064
Same. It's still such a satisfying accusation, especially when they accuse it angrily. The projection is so blatant.

>>85814092
I don't agree there. Most of my favorite comics were written and drawn by a single author/artist and it really makes a difference when a scene is depicted exactly as it was originally envisioned by the person who wrote it. There's no middleman interpreting it from words, you get a direct line to the characters.

>>85814092
I wouldn't trust a comic writer to write a comic.

>>85814064
>>85814185
You ladies know we're around, right? Just making sure

>>85803811

I read that as fairy lube, wew lad.

>>85813882
LONDON

>>85814185
>Most of my favorite comics were written and drawn by a single author/artist
Who are some of your "favorite authors"? My shit taste-sense is tingling.

\>>85813664
If that was the sum of my identity, I'd probably kill myself from the boredom. Though I will say that organized Acronym stuff has tried to make me that person, which is one of the two reasons I'm not welcome in those circles. The other is I believe that they under-represent the effects of conditioning within the conversation.

>>85813761
Yeah, and there are tons of those comics. I've read them. Very rarely have I read one that has greater substance to it. So its like...imagine if Newspaper comics were all about orange cats. Garfield or Heathcliff can work on occasion, but if that is all the field of newspaper comics has become it gets real old real fast.

Which isn't to say I don't like me some queer comics; it just has to be working within some confines. I read a well-written (so-so tier art) comic from /lgbt/ about a year ago which I really liked because it was about a closeted guy in his 40s slowly coming out, and it presented how fucking awkward and terrible that situation is. It wasn't oppression-masturbation fantasy or "I'm unique" stuff like a lot of the more popular ones appear to be. It was just a good story.

As for who makes up the good ones and who makes up the bad ones, it is entirely a matter of depth and intimacy. If you're queer and you've never met anyone who didn't make that the -core- of their human existence, you are one lucky fucker. Because they exist in spades, and they exist in spades because that one tiny facet of who they are has been mocked and reviled to the point that they try to wear it as a flag to the loss of some of their own personality.

And I think a deconstruction of that tragic fucking type of person would be amazing fodder for a comic. But you'd have to be willing to really look into it and accept that shit, as well as the shit you get as a creator for doing so.

When I write queer/gay/trans characters, that is the last thing they want to define themselves by. Like a person.

>>85814351
Link to your comic so I can see your queer characters.

>>85814092
>>85814294

Apparently you don't believe artists CAN be good writers too. Seems like your a little too pro writer/artist tag-team duo.

Most webcomics are made by a single artist.

>>85814351
>If you're queer and you've never met anyone who didn't make that the -core- of their human existence, you are one lucky fucker.
You realize this is a phase that young gays, the recently outed, and people who are trying to figure themselves out go through right? No one actually makes that their core personality, it's just a very large driving force at the beginning of their self discovery, your ignorance on the issue is baffling, you try to sound so educated and it's cringeworthy.

>>85814294
Not her but most of the good shit (that is, not capeshit) are a single artist/writer. There are some exceptions (like Gabriel Ba/Gerard Way on The Umbrella Academy or The Sisters team for a thread example) but even Will Eisner said the ideal was an individual. Clowes, Burns, and Ware all write and draw their own stories and are arguably the masters of contemporary comics.

>>85813664
person you replied to here.

im not saying they SHOULD keep their identity a secret. im just saying that you can see why they'd want to. i dont give a shit what someone is i just want to read good comics.

as for "queer comics", i dont even know why we're talking about this. yes i agree a comic labeled as a "queer comic" is likely written by a gay person... sure. that was never an argument.

>>85814092
>I've never met an artist who could write very well
Did you literally read less than 20 comics in your entire life

>>85814294
Fullmetal Alchemist is a notable one, if you don't mind me counting manga. Asterios Polyp, Anya's Ghost, Yotsuba&!, most of Joan Sfar's work, Ozamu Tezuka's work like Buddha and Black Jack. I enjoy collaborative efforts as well, they work well for longer series that are released serially (Transmetropolitan, Sandman, and Y: The Last Man are great non-cape examples of that) because they allow for quicker production, but it's silly to pretend there aren't great writer-artists out there.

>>85813999
>writing is not an art
>someone cant write and draw
>>85814092
oh youre 15

>>85813882
>it's the opposite.
I like the nerdy guy, if this is who I think it is. He's the kind of guy you want to hang out with on a couch and get cuddly with. It is a pretty great character type that I've seen plenty of in real life.

>>85813372
It is a matter of survey size, dude. Most of the type I talk to find a lot of the progressive hellhole comics to be virtue signalling and pandering to the max. And what is worse is that, if those who wrote them understood just a bit of fucking subtlety they might actually have a decent project that could slowly cause people to think about their positions on things. But they almost always tend to go for bashing people over the fucking head with the point.

I'm sort of shocked DC is crushing it on stories right now while Marvel is...making me feel like I'm "special" and there's no good way to be "special."

>>85812847
Just own who you are. Pseudonyms can be fine, but I also have a generic fucking name that everyone thinks is fake anyway.

Everyone has said shitty things. Those who make broad judgments are about as dismissively shitty as you probably once were. Explain the shift if you ever get called on it, and while you can apologize for the past let it be known that you'd rather work towards being nicer in the future.

If people can't get that, and still hold you to inane bullshit; that's their damage. And that can suck. But if you're not the same edgelord you were at 14, people with a lick of sense will see the difference.

You're better off as yourself if you have to be someone.

>>85814425
I'm just saying they exist. I've dated them. A lot of people can work their way out of it, but some cannot. That's fucking life. I'm not judging all of them, but I am saying they exist and sometimes it is tragic.

>>85814092
t. someone who has never read Manga

>>85814294
Found the writer.

>>85814386
http://thesisters-comic.com/
Peebs and Scott are the only queer characters thus far. Peebs is a transperson and just trying to fucking get through life given her lack of proper powers and the people she hangs with.

Scott was a straight up gay dude who hasn't shown up for a bit, but there's a reason we brought in the Necromancer, after all and his terrible relationship with his ex is part of a thing that'll crop up within the next few issues.

The idea is that they aren't supposed to be fucking paragons. Scott is sort of the exception because he dies. And memory twists things, people forget the bad and praise only the good, at least when it comes to a friend.

Julius, Scott's ex shows up next issue. Plus I've heard people argue Jam is ace. I consider her to just have her priorities straight when it comes to powers and being in high school. Avoid romance bullshit, acquire cosmic powers.

>>85814600
>>85814425
And I feel those for those young ones too. Especially now when I do think the world is accepting to the point where some people don't think they need to change themselves or engage in painful introspection or survival as much.

I'll certainly concede it is a problem I've seen with a lot more younger people within the acronym than those who have been in it awhile. And maybe I've just been unlikely and met too many of the ones who make it an issue with staying power; that is entirely possible. I am not an ideal survey candidate.

But they do exist. And if, someday, they get beyond, more power to them. I totally accept that. I'd fucking love it if some of the ones I've dated had done that. Because people do change, obviously.

Fuck man, maybe what I said does sound cringeworthy and ignorant. I'm just going by my own biased personal experience as someone who has been with those people and watched relationships die because they can't talk about anything else but that. In time they may change, but some don't.

>>85814539
Writing is a skill that takes as long to get good at as art.

>>85815137

People learn to write much more fluently and correctly than people who draw. Drawing isn't taught as a mandatory core curriculum in schools. But writing, sentence structure, etc. is. Along with a decent public K-12 education school that offers creative writing it is.

I'd say writing is a hell of a lot easier than it is to learn art, drawing or painting. Since writing is purely mental, and all people are taught to write in some creative process multiple times over their youth if not more. Everyone writes, and writing from imagination is easy and simple compared to learning to draw.

Easiest way to get good at writing, read your favorite books and use them as inspiration. Break down the climaxes and story progression down to manageable chunks and study the story progression. Main plot points, characters, identify character traits, how, when, where and why these characters changed, etc.

There are a lot more writers than there are artists in the world, a LOT more, and that's partially due to the fact that it's much easier to be a writer. Learning to write creatively can be learned fairly quickly and easily.

Art, drawing and painting requires sometimes a lifetime to just even get to an acceptable level. That is partially because writing is much more structured as an art from. There is no extra media, there are no visuals, there are only words. Wheres in art, there are some core rules, but other than that it's all up in the air. There is no perfect model, creature, idea, landscape, environment. No blade of grass is the same in a painting, or cloud or tree or rock in a masterwork study. Color changes, refracts, mixes and melds, different light sources, texture, etc.

With writing you tell, you don't show. In art you show, you don't tell. In visual story telling you do both, but you show more than tell and showing is a hell of a lot harder to do than tell.

>>85815137
No one said it wasn't. That said, I don't think it does.

You can work on both at the same time, and I've personally found you can more or less play your writing by ear, so to speak. It requires less technical skill and more intuition. You can feel out what makes a scene well-written, you can relate to characters, you can think a bit of writing was clever, and it's all much more subjective than visual art.

This is especially true in comics, where word choice doesn't matter nearly as much because the art picks up the slack of the narrative. If you can put together a plot, come up with some interesting characters, and write dialogue you can be a comic writer, but being a passable comic artist takes a lot more active study and practice.

>>85814813
Some how I knew it was you, you huge, dumb cunt.

>>85812495
You've still got a lot of work ahead, buddy.

I mean, unless you wanna be the next Kubo.

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>>85817169
You know SG is hairier than that

>>85815570
>writing is easier that drawing

Horseshit. The writing people learn in school isn't any more or better than the drawing that they learn in art class.

People think that writing is easier only because they've got shit for brains and can't tell good writing from bad writing. Bad art is easier to spot.

>>85817733
It's easier to be a not-good-but-not-totally-godawful writer than it is to be a not-good-but-not-totally-godawful artist.

It's just as hard to be a good writer as it is to be a good artist.

>>85817733
Oddly, it's easier to post bad writing in these threads and get feedback than it is to post bad art and get...anything. I know I've never gotten any meaningful feedback on my artwork here.

>>85817800
That's because most of the people who post bad art are pariahs like Dewd and coldfusion who people just ignore rather than futilely try to help.

>>85817838
No, you got that backwards. It's the ones who stir shit and refuse to improve who get responses. If someone posts harmless but flawed pages they're rarely going to get decent feedback. Pitches and scripts and dialogue tend to get much more in the way of constructive criticism without prompting.

>>85817800
Bad writing may contain good ideas, which can be talked about.
Unless you delve into redlining technical shit, here is nothing to say about bad art other than "practice more."

>>85817474
2. Especially*
Also probably better to say 'you'll bring/send the whole thing crashing down'
3. needs question mark
4. remarks* unless that's because he lost teeth. but I think you can make the K with the back of your tongue and palate.
Nice attempt on that shot of the teeth too, line it up a little better next time and you'll have a really effective picture. generally nice being-punched-face too. aaand that's actually a good joke.
btw look at the bottom of your fist (the part showing at the end, the part you hit when you pound down on something), see that spiral your finger makes? that's the shape he should have there, and it's a really fun shape to master. I think it's even one of those golden spirals or someshit

>>85817733
I have trouble with both, honestly. I have to wait to be in the right mood. Sometimes I'm rarin' to draw but there's nothing TO draw as I haven't written it yet, and I have no ideas. or too many ideas and I know the wrong one will ruin the plot

>>85818185

Drawing has its only challenges, but not on the level that actual creative writing does. In writing from life specifically, you have to go from exercise to exercise just to match up, and fine tune everything you literally see as accurately as you can to be translated into a text based format through your head and in extension to your keyboard and paper.

Where in drawing you can just draw up a really quick draft, then just go through multiple times and tune things up, stare at it and edit. You can't do that with writing, it's a one shot deal at being as close to accuracy as you can or spending good amounts of time, a lot more than on drawing edits than on writer edits and fixes.

Drawing is also a much more forgiving field as well. Since if you mess up you can simply redraw it. Writing, you can't, with traditional and in many other areas, if you mess up a small part of the story, you have to begin all over again more times than not if it's bad enough.

I fucking hate artists, every one I've worked with has been a primadonna snowflake princess and they're all worthless fucking garbage human beings, I'm trying to teach myself how to draw so I don't waste my writing talent on an shitlord

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>>85818371
Why you delete it bro?

>>85818185
Hey, what's your comic?
Or, if you haven't started it yet, what are you going to call it?

>>85818414
Why you care bro?

>>85818414
Because he knows he'll get shit for it.

>>85818454
Don't be a baby.

>>85818387
And you, stop falseflagging.

>>85818454
You are a big butt hurt cuck OWNED maximum kek

>>85818563
Stop being an autist

>>85817499
No sir, I don't.

>>85818688
well I certainly hope she's all natural, but I see no shots in this comic where any more should be visible

>>85818810
That's weird, anon. You're weird.

>>85818414
>>85818371

Cus the thread is devolved as is, I'm not going to continue with it. Ik creative writing is a hell of a lot easier and forgiving compared to art, especially in visual story telling, where it's a visual based media. You can have works of story telling media with little to no dialogue or text and have an extremely simple, clear and beautiful message or no message at all. That doesn't require a master literary genius to concoct, it is brought to life by the artist through atmosphere, color, emotions and expressions, or even just with atmosphere and colors alone.

But this is a /hyw/ thread, not a pro /lit/ thread.

>>85818859
No, seriously, what's your comic? I want to know about it. You're namefagging in a /hyw/ thread, I wanna read your comic.

>>85818859
Writing and drawing are both easy. If you think writing well is easy, you're probably a Chris Chan equivalent of a writer.

The state of this thread is irrefutable proof that /hyw/ was a mistake. Just let it die.

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>>85818859
If creative writing is so much easier, why are so many talented artists terrible at writing? Why do so many people, even in threads like these, have trouble grasping the basics of storytelling? Why are terrible pacing and horrific plotting/dialogue some of the most pronounced and common problems in webcomics?

TL;DR, don't disrespect your fellow creators.

>>85819022
well feel free to post more. so far you're a cool guy

>>85814351
>Yeah, and there are tons of those comics. I've read them. Very rarely have I read one that has greater substance to it.
This is actually a big fear of mine, I'm afraid of making a comic and being treated like it's substanceless and that I should just give up and stop trying to do something that feels important to me.

>>85819129
Are you currently making one? What's the premise?

>>85819048
Remember guys, writing well is a quite distinct,from, though not not unrelated to, being able to tell creative stories.

>>85817169
Why does she work out with big bad musclemen?

>>85819675
The view.

>>85819129
just put something meaningful in
it doesn't have to be something that, when described briefly, SOUNDS meaningful. Just something that's important to you

>>85819129
it must be true to you, not to others, you can create shit "to be important" if it's not what you believe in.

>>85819629
Please don't try to start an argument over semantics.

Disrespecting other creators by implying one facet of the medium is inherently easier than another is just shit. Period.

>>85819991
But writing IS easier than art.

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>>85820065
It's fine if you think that, but please don't be disrespectful. That's all I'm saying.

I think it says something with how many writers seek out artists to draw comics their comic for free compared to the number of artists who seek writers to do free work.

>>85820179
It says more people fancy themselves as able to hide behind the visual half of the medium. Which has nothing to do with difficulty, and isn't a good reason to talk shit.

Come on, senpai. You're not even replying directly anymore. Just let it be.

>>85820179
Hell, don't even factor in payment, let's just talk the numbers in each group. And for that matter, how many writers are there who pick up drawing to make comics compared to the artists who pick up writing to make comics?

My personal experience was an even mix of practicing my writing and my art. I've just always been a visual storyteller. It's hard for me to consider it from an either-or perspective, but when you get people who honestly think that artists don't have the time to practice writing because they're spending that time on their art, it's stunning to me. Writing comes to me as the easy side, certainly more fun. I've written myself into corners and I've struggled with my worldbuilding and characterization and natural dialogue, but on the whole the frustration isn't remotely comparable to when I'm struggling with my art. I could thumbnail out 50 pages easy but actually drawing the pages is where I hit all my snags and self-doubt. It's emotionally exhausting.

>>85820179
Anyone can be a halfway decent writer with little to no effort.

>>85820179
Most writers can't draw, but most artist write their comics too (even if they shouldn't)
it's not that hard to figure out, senpai

>>85820179
Sure. Because artists mistakenly thing it's easy to write. That's why there are so many comics out there with great art but shit writing.

>>85821006
the average artist is as shitty as the average writer, tbqh

>>85821006
I haven't noticed a pattern of collaboratively made comics being consistently better than comics made/written by a single person, so it seems to me that's a matter of Sturgeon's Law. Artist-writers are just as much writers as writers who don't draw, and they're going to be mediocre with it just as often.

>>85821169
>>85821065
>>85821006
I've noticed American artists are significantly shittier writers than Euro or Nips, but this is prolly due to the division of labor of the capeshit system and influence of Modernist thought that encourages self-indulgence over storytelling.

>>85821169
Dunno, I've seen artist + writer comics that are plenty shit, and a lot of them too.

>>85821271
>influence of Modernist thought that encourages self-indulgence over storytelling
I rolled my eyes and did a jerking off motion in real life when I read this. You went to college.

>>85821271
>shittier writers than Euro or Nips

That's just your own selection bias.

Manga is fucking trash.

>>85821319
indiefag are the worst, don't even start with the legacy of xerox minis

>>85821339
>all manga are naruto
>all comics are capeshit
Ayy

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>>85821319
sorry to have triggered you, senpai

>>85821422
>all manga are naruto

Yeah, pretty much

>>85821422
>all bande dessinee are porn
At they should be

Does anyone here who writes and draws their own comic(s) also enjoy writing for writing's sake (as opposed to writing comic scripts) as well as simply drawing for drawing's sake?

I'm an artist by trade, and though I've done a lot to improve my drawing and visual art skills, I've only recently gone out of my way to hone my creative writing skills. I found that while I could write academic papers competently, and write descriptively for role-playing purposes, I've really improved my story-telling ability by practicing writing out various scenes from my comic (that I haven't drawn yet) as if they were chapters in a novel.

I think that the editing process is incredibly important for both comics and novels, and is perhaps one of the more important things that webcomic writers tend to overlook (or not do at all, if they are publishing without any kind of buffer.)

>>85821722

I'm a writer first and foremost. Have been a writer for many years and was quite successful at it. I worked on a collaboration with a great artist, and I wasn't quite happy with it, so I decided to learn how to draw. Been working at it for years and have quite a ways to go, but at least its all my own stuff.

>>85821722
i enjoy writing comedy dialogue and banter, yeah.

>>85821464
can't disagree

>>85821284
Yes, that's my point. You'll see plenty of those and also plenty of terrible comics created by partners or even a team. I'm saying that one way doesn't confer any advantage over the other because writing is a skill that artists can hone as much as non-artists.

All of this being said, I don't think little of writers who don't draw because I know that there are artists who don't write. They can work together and make some great stuff. It's just that the skill sets pose different challenges and, in my opinion, the challenges that face artists are far more difficult obstacles, and assuming that "artist" is a totally separate designation from "writer" or that art skills somehow preclude writing skills is absurd in the context of comics.

>>85821722
I'm a decent academic writer but I've never been a fan of writing out prose. I wrote out a situation with a few of my characters for a creative writing class once and I liked that I could include a lot more backstory without having to do an entire scene showing that backstory or having to work it into the exposition, there's really no graceful way to casually toss in someone's full upbringing in a comic unless you want to put some real work in, but on the whole I feel like I work best when I can include expressions/body language and actually show the setting. And agreed on editing.

>>85821833
Were you working on a project that you thought up jointly? Or was it your ideas the artist was drawing to?

The only real collaborative work that I've done that wasn't related to commercial art (my day job) was for school projects.

Collaboration has generally been a turn-off for me, as I want most to work on my own artwork and setting, which I have been developing into a comic over the past few years. I feel like unless I find someone who really enjoys working on my vision, that the situation will end up being less that optimal for all parties involved, in the same way that I draw for pay not because I especially like drawing what I am getting paid to draw, but can do it well and get paid accordingly.

I wouldn't want to spend my free time working on something that I didn't completely enjoy in and of itself, and I would feel uncomfortable asking someone else to do that for me (or even hiring them for creative work. I could see if hiring a flatter or colorist if I reached the point where I was self-sufficient without needed a day job.

>>85821722
Yes, I enjoy doing both.

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It's been a while since I was in here. How's my nighttime shading? Should I get some more red in there?

>>85826558
it's definitely looking improved

>>85826558
Lookin' pretty sweet.

I like it as it is, but if you want to make the mood more sinister, you could throw in a bit of red, or tint the shadows more red than blue.

>>85826702
I'm thinking less about mood, and more about the primary light source being a bright red (the wings). The way I'm currently doing it is having a red glow around the edges of any surface reasonably close to them, but I'm wondering if it should affect the overall lighting more. But I'd worry about it being too much, since this is the main character and having him carry a giant red lamp on his back everywhere could be too harsh? I dunno.

>>85826558

The right panel threw me off, I thought that was a mirror or something. Maybe help distinguish the two panels apart, the heavy black just kinda warps the panels together a little.

>>85826824
Yeah in that case, the first panel could have a bit more red, but keep it subtle and just add some reddish highlights to nearby objects/characters so it doesn't get too overwhelming.

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I wanted to get on with it so I squeezed to pages into one, and cut a few panels. May have overdone it.

>>85827707
now that a helpful anon in here explained the (in retrospect obvious) meaning of this, I'm a lot less like 'fuck get on with it nunc' than I was at first.

This does bring up something interesting about fictional depictions of dreams though. So far we've been seeing all kinds of stuff, but in the dream he's blindfolded. does he dream in third person?

>>85827768
Hasn't everybody, at one point or another? I mean it's not like dreams involve real cameras or actual perspectives. Haven't you had the dream where the monster is sneaking up behind you and you're quite aware of it before you actually turn around and see it?

I can remember this one very vivid dream I had years ago where I was lost in the forest at night. No vision at all, whatsoever. But all my other senses were quite lucid and I was aware of all sorts of details. I don't think real dreaming is that much different from day dreaming, except the lack of awareness.

>>85827912
i'm not sure. I think i'm aware of things around me, and what i look like and shit, but only in a conscious way and not by actually seeing it. I'm going to have to think about this the next time I notice I'm dreaming. Though most of the time that knowledge is exciting enough to wake me up, or else my brain just refuses to process much. If I try to run too much visual shit in a dream it just seizes up or crashes. Piece of shit visual cortex. I used to get tons of dreams where there was a bright light or other kind of eye irritant present that meant i could barely open my eyes. then again 6 times out of 10 i seem to have trouble making anything work in a lucid dream. i try to fly and it's like 'ehhh you can float a bit then you fall back down gently' and fuuck.

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Tomorrow a page will come up so I'll post that. In the meantime I finished this character bio to add to the cast section.

i have this idea, but i don't know if it sounds dumb or not

basically, i want to do an anthology series that uses the same cast of characters for a bunch of stories, but they're all unrelated stories, kinda like how they do with american horror story

>>85828611
is that what that is? i didn't know it kept the same cast

i suggest you look into osamu tezuka's "Star System", that should give you ideas on how to do that and make it cool

>>85828627
I sincerely admire Tezuka for spinning being lazy into something that sounds cool, no sarcasm.

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Character portraits I whipped up.

>>85830670
can i just say that i love your characters?
because i love your characters

>>85830778
Thanks! Hope you like the rest of the cast when they come along, I think they're a fun bunch.

tfw it's been almost a year since I last updated my webcomic.
I thought I'd start again months ago but somehow got burnt out on digital art and all I've managed to draw has been sprites for a side project. I want to get out of this slump soon.

>>85826558
Try some thin white outlines around the characters to easily distinguish their shapes and placement.

>>85821464
Then you have not read many manga

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>update your comic 3 times this week
>zero views

>>85831548
well maybe if you linked it to me i'd read it you big dumb palooka

>>85831101
I used to get burnt out a lot too, mainly because I didn't make improvement my focus so each page was just a slog of the same thing over and over. Try and challenge yourself and you might get more out of the process.

How do I get an invite to the Discord?

>>85831918
I was really enjoying working on it, and my art was improving at a quick rate. I just got sidetracked onto other things, and I have terrible focus with my projects.
Getting burnt out on digital art has had a few factors behind it, mainly the fact that I'm locked out of my art blog thanks to the forced password reset from a while back, and now I have to build everything up again. It really killed my motivation.

>>85831980
prove that you're worthy by fighting our strongest man

>>85831980
Discord fairy.

https://discord.gg/C5ZCP

>>85832070
I had something similar happen to me a few years ago, except it was my computer getting fried and me losing all of my earlier work (I have stuff saved in multiple locations now). If it's on an art blog can't you just reupload stuff.

>>85803435
Intrigue! He doesn't know, does he?
>>85803811
Kek
>>85812495
>Furshit
Get out and stay out.

>>85832339
I could try reuploading some of my most popular stuff and see if anyone recognises it. I hope so, since a lot of really nice people used to follow me and I'd hate for them to think I've become inactive.
Sorry about what happened, something like that happened to me last year and I'm now trying to learn to backup my stuff too.

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LOL

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This took longer than expected

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>>85833698

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>>85833712

>>85833723
>>85833712
>>85833698
I love it. I like the style and I like how you're using animation for your story, that's cool.
but I have one complaint. And you and everyone in this thread are gonna hate me for this, but it needs to be said.

Justify your text.

>>85833698
>>85833712
>>85833723
Awesome (although watch for typos, missing words and irregular capping)!

>>85831548
>update four times in the last two weeks
>check stats
>3,000 new visitors, 10,000 new page views
>only one new follower

Feels bad man

any good books of clothing from history?

>>85831578
That's just feelsposter. he's not real

>>85835853
None of us is real.

>>85834806
This isn't necessarily a bad thing, 3,000 new visitors is still pretty good. Do you have ads up on your site? If you're using tumblr for your comic, followers can be a negative impact in a way, because they're reading from their dashboard and thus not seeing your ads. If you're not using ads it doesn't matter and 3 is still a lot of thousands.

>>85834806

Link to comic?

>>85836529
The one with 3000 visitors is on a site without ad impressions. On the one with ad impressions it only got 500 new views.

>>85836529
>3,000 new visitors is still pretty good
Not when it boils down to 1 new follower. That's a pretty abysmal retention rate. West Tree probably retains readers better.

>>85838713
not everyone has a tumblr account to view tumblr comics, follow count isn't the most important factor. it's actually returning visitors

>>85839275
Yeah it looks like I've got about 250 people give or take that check in on a daily basis on that sight. It's pretty consistent, assuming the track is to be believed. Only a fraction of them formally subscribe. I don't know if they use their browser's bookmark or just look it up manually to check in. If the number of regular unofficial readers compared to formal subscribers is consistent across various sites, I wonder how many I actually have.

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Cuddle bump

Also, a subscriber counts as a subscriber even if they're not checking their subscription. One of my tumblrs (not a webcomic one) has like 1100 followers but I'll bet you at least half of them have left tumblr or changed accounts by now. I have a queue post one drawing every day, and they usually only get like 15 notes on them, at least 5 of which are from the same group of 5 people who press 'like' to everything. Meanwhile I get a steady 200-300 pageviews a day with upward spikes to 500 now and then.

Really there's no one number to track for this stuff to determine your popularity.

>>85841226
now that's an activity everyone should participate in. just cuddles forever

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what do you guys think of this sort of pallet?

>>85840149

I am thoroughly interested, link???

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>>85831548
>Deviantart-tier comic I used to put on smackjeeves still gets more hits daily than feelsposter

>>85842255
mmm.. all those yellow orange pink purples.. it's a bit Trix-yogurt

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Gonna have to draw a Fall pic of the Monster Lands cast soon.

>>85842499
I don't like to link my comic when I talk about personal shop like this. It always invites unintended drama. I'm a regular contributor to this thread though.

>>85844493
Post your comic.

>>85844493
>>85844523

Still, i would be really interested, with the flow that you get it sounds decent enough.

>>85844493
Fuck you, dude. You come in here and talk a lot of shit about how your comic is at the top of shit mountain, making us lesser plebs with comics that cannot possibly excel yours in greatness feel like absolute fucking dogshit, and you don't even post your comic? You're fucking bringing drama in here with that kind of shitty behavior. Post your comic or get the fuck out.

>>85844892
>>85844892
>talk a lot of shit about how your comic is at top of shit mountain

Is that how you interpreted my comments? Because I've been self-deprecating about how few subscribers I've got.

>>85844938
Post your god damn comic.

>>85844938
don't bother responding to bait

>>85845400
Fine. I warned you.
www.mspaintadventures.com

>>85845409
So I'm fucking bait now? Because I don't like it when pieces of shit lord their stats over us like high and mighty big shots, but then mysteriously, they can't actually post their comic when challenged? So they're really trolling pieces of shit who just post to make the rest of us feel inadequate? Fuck you, kid.

>>85843435
haha, beach group pics are lovely, We did one of those as a thread activity once. everybody post yours too

>>85843435
If the black dude on the bottom is a woman, they look like a lunch lady.


If they're some kind of asexual demiboy then please leaves

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posting my comic.

>>85845699
you'd be bait if you put more effort into these shitposts

go away

>>85843435
>>85845916


Ummm, who is a female and who is not, like, seriously, if that black dude is a chick, then wot? I just, huh? It's more confusing than anything and not in a good way.

>>85845916
>>85846264
Read the comic. It's good enough to justify the confusion, and it's definitely not tumblry. except once in a while by total accident. I know, all this same shit went through my head too, but it's really a good solid funny comic

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Eren creates her first monster on this page. http://www.monster-lands.com/

>>85846318
>her
well that is a relief i've been waiting for since her introduction. which is actually the first page of monsterlands I ever saw, because it's the first one you posted here.
also, I love the idea that you can just feel the magic and know roughly how to do it. That's keen. You don't get that very often in fantasy shit.
also cool symbols there, I like that they didn't go generically runic or 'haha it's ancient technology so it looks like printed circuit boards' anachronistic
Now I can't wait to see what she made

>>85846314
>>85846383

>Read the comic.
>artist can't draw well enough for people to notice if their characters are men or women

I'm good

>>85846465
I mean, it's obviously intentional. but it's not like.. it has some kinda agenda behind it. Think of it like the androgyny in anime if that helps. Though it's obviously not like that.
I dunno, shit, I feel like I want to have room to bash other shit like this that actually does it badly, and in order to do so, I need to defend the ones that aren't doing it badly. Zat make sense?

>>85846505
This doesn't come off as intentional, though. When read it comes off as lack of skill. I get that they want to do a big stronk woman, but make the face at least look like a woman.

>>85846314
>>85846264
>>85845916
you people are annoying as fuck, you get so triggered over any possibility of androgyny and its hilarious

>>85846465
>can't tell if they're man or woman
>still thinks in terms of binary
this is your problem, not the artist's, and it stems from your ignorance and progessive contrarianism, but you already knew that because you're a troll and this is bait.

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>>85847384

>>85842255
I like it, reminds me of watchmen kinda

>>85846600
that's what I'd prefer too
But this artist is too good at drawing to be this bad at accurately depicting the sexes. I definitely think the androgyny has to be intentional. This isn't like inuyasha where it's pretty clear Takahashi has no idea how to draw a cat or a dog or a fox or a pig or a monkey or basically any animal, and really only knows how to draw two kinds of humans...

>>85846600
I love how people can't hand a character being an uggo. Some people are ugly, man. A lot in fact. You might be one.

>>85848900
true
a truth i look to entertainment media to escape. and that didn't used to be so weird or difficult.

>>85843435

I redid the black female, I made some jokes in the image, if you wanna see it, this goes out to the OP poster of said original image.

Not to be too much of an ass and just posting it here.

Basically, he/she looks like Tyronne from way back in HS, turned gay.

The chin, is the biggest thing and the forehead smooth soften up the face, in a "feminine way". (Inb4 ma' sexual binary, dirty space alchemy Wicca new age progressive hippie feelings Tumblr bullshit)

>>85848926
My heart weeps for you.

>>85849009
I think it also doesn't help that her nose and chin are not only masculine but very uncommon in black people. If she had a smaller, rounder chin and a flat, broad nose, I wouldn't have been nearly as shocked. Funny too because nearly everyone else, even the little girl, has a long pointy chin
But hey draw whatchu wanna draw, JN. Plenty of classic characters get confused. look at Nermal.

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>>85848900
>>85848926

That's not "uggo" or "ugly"...

>>85849088
You're a manbaby.

OOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHH

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>>85849088
just curious, do you consider buck angel a man or a woman?

>>85849232
is he the dragon, the other dragon, or the octopus?

>>85849232

What is that thing, your spirit animal?

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>>85843435
Really the only issue with the black lady I see is her nose. Not a lot of people have those broad chins paired with hawk noses. I think it would look a little more natural if she had a wider nose.
I think the reason so many of your chicks come off as a little masculine is because their eyes are a bit high up, making their chins look large. Eyes usually sit right halfway down the face, while you draw your eyes higher.
Here's a picture to show what I mean sorry for scribbling over your art.

>>85849302
butthurt /pol/tard detected

>>85849401

Nah, not really, sounds like your the SJW Tumblr equivalent though.

>>85849342
>Not a lot of people have those broad chins paired with hawk noses.
I can think of a few people, but they're definitely white.. and most of them are cartoons now that I think of it. It was a common facial feature combo in hercules, as well as the 90s steven spielberg cartoons.. pretty sure one of the Histeria kids had that going on, and he was supposed to be a parody of someone
I'm pretty sure eyes-midway-down-the-face is allowed to be violated if you have a character with a big chin. it's just an odd choice.

>>85849445
how do i know you're not the sjw and you're not just trolling to shit up the thread? besides you're not offering anything useful, you just want to create tension with people ideologically opposite from you. you're either a child, a troll, or both.

>>85849445
>your

Dewd it's past your bedtime.

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>>85849492

>how do i know you're not the sjw

Ughhhhh, what?

>>85849644

>Dewd
>your

Expertly implied.

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>>85830670
I want to cover Ellen in creamy white goop!

>>85849715

Dewd it!

>>85849715
Shine on, you crazy diamond.

>>85849715
ELLEN IS HOT HOT HOT

>>85846264
...there are breasts on that character. How is this in any way ambiguous?

>>85851230

Those could easily be man-boobs or his pecs... it's ambiguous asf.

>>85851230
She wears much less revealing clothing in-story, but her gender is generally irrelevant to her character anyway.

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>>85773083

>>85851415
that's not really how that works
But is that previous thing for a comic? Because we'd love to talk about that

>>85851385

>her gender is generally irrelevant to her character anyway.

Yeah... that's kinda BS, and you know it.

The whole beach scene and reactions from everyone and just makes me more suspicious asf that it's probably pro-SJW gender mumbo-jumbo bait or self-inserted message about gender.

>>85852077
wait, your reactions from people in here make you suspicious of the author? that doesn't make any sense.
dude i already asked if there was some political shit behind this, JNelson said there wasn't (that was in response to the queen bombing a village after inspecting them for weapons and not finding any.) i'm glad we can just laugh about ridiculous things now instead of seeing messages in it all

The part that I find weird is that jerkass fake hero guy knew she was a chick. who told him?

also, yeah, sex is pretty relevant to everyone who's been through puberty.. so i'm with you calling BS. but I think the rest of that isn't fair.

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>>85852257
>>85852077
>is is shitty art or gender politics?

>>85852257

I guess, it still feels like a subtly forced SJW ordeal though.

>>85852355

Neither, can't you see anon, he is SIMPLY trying to eat a Doritos taco loco shell from Taco Bell. He is a true visionary, bridging the gap between black and Mexican people. What a beautiful image that multi-cultural message, so inspiring.

But yeah, it was kinda racist.

>>85852077
If it's bullshit then point to where in the story so far her gender being more apparent would make any significant difference. The worst that comes of it is readers who don't pay close enough attention to word choice might call her a dude in a discussion and face a soft correction on it. Making it an issue is douchy.

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>>85852561
no idea what race that kind of nose belongs to.. just kind of a generic 40s comedy nose.
but it looks to me like just a regular guy cosplaying as Gabon

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>>85851460
ok sorry about that, I should have asked beforehand.
YEah this page is supposed to be from my webcomic. It doesnt have dialogue but im working on the preceding page now.

>>85792841
i really love your guys' comic. i read it all in a night or two and it's been fantastic.

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Working further on the laintronics for this animation background. Considering this was the first time I've ever done something like this i think it's going well.

characters with ambiguous gender is like buying something and getting the opposite of what you expected

>>85853087
real expressive!
>>85853195
>laintronics
I've gotta start saying that
>>85853246
well there's ambiguous, which I'm okay with, then there's straight up backwards, not so much (and a lot more deliberate).
then again, i see backwards gender in every beardless male face. at a certain point you've gotta give up and let it go

>>85853246
Characters with ambiguous gender is a characters with ambiguous gender.
At most yer gonna think, "does that thing have a dick or a cunt?!"

>>85853246

I like you.

>>85817474
>my witty remars

you're doing this on purpose aren't you dewd

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hey guys, never posted in here.

most recent page from my comic. comments and criticism?

>>85854906

Link to comic?

It's very solid, nice values, wonderful anatomy, great pacing, dialogue that is entertaining and informative towards whom they are as characters rather than useless babble and I am intrigued by what is going on, would love to read it.