Why is Pamela Isley in Arkham again? She doesn't seem mentally

Because a regular prison wouldn't be able to hold her, senpai.

>>85194700
She literally thinks rose bushes are worth more than human lives and feeds people to giant pitcher plants.
Don't let her fondness for Harley fool you, she's as much of a crazy monster as any of them.

>>85194803
Aren't some of Batman's rogues in Blackgate ?

>>85194803
Neither does arkham.

>>85194700
Uhh what the fuck are you talking about. She values plant life over human life.

>>85194902
I don't see how that qualifies ad being mentally unstable. Just a warped perspective.

>>85194902
Most criminals value money over human life>>85194902

>>85194992
That's mentally ill person. If she sees someone in the court yard about to step on a flower, she is liable to murder them to keep them from stepping on the flower. She sees people as objects to be manipulated.

Histrionic personality disorder.

>>85194834
>She literally thinks rose bushes are worth more than human lives and feeds people to giant pitcher plants.

>>85194902
>Uhh what the fuck are you talking about. She values plant life over human life.

That's not grounds for insanity. Lots of people value animals over humans.

I get that a regular prison won't be able to deal with her, but she doesn't seem to belong in a mental asylum either.

Where do they send Superman's rogues? Isn't it to some S.T.A.R. Lab facilities or something? That sounds more appropriate for her.

>>85195167
Yeah, some people do value plant life over human life, the difference is they won't try to kill you to preserve the plant life. It's the intent that she has to do whatever is necessary to protect the plants with no regard for anything else that makes her criminally insane. She doesn't have the mental capacity to go to prison because in her mind what she's doing isn't wrong. Much like the mother who drowned her children because in her mind there was a fire in the apartment.

>>85195148
Along with nymphomania.

>>85194700
Filth like this should be put down.

>>85195382
Was it Morrison's Serious House on Serious Earth where all the guards would gang rape the female inmates?

>>85195433
No. I'm pretty sure not.

>>85195472
Im pretty sure it was

>>85195498
Stop making shit up

>>85195049
So should other psychopaths go to insane asylums because they care more about money, or street cred more than people?

>>85195433
I think it was Neil Gaiman "Orchid" (or something like that) were it was said

>>85195498
I've read A Serious House several times, it's my favorite Batman comic, and I don't recall any indication of that at all.
The closest to that I can remember is male inmates trading stuff for sex with the inmates in the female ward. From Living Hell.

>>85195167
>Lots of people value animals over humans
Yea, and those people should be in mental hospitals

>>85195676
Ok

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>>85195433
You're thinking of Neil Gaiman's Black Orchid.

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>>85195676

>>>/an/

>>85194700
Needs special conditions to hold her, same as Freeze.

>>85195619
>your head
>mental health

Its not about valuing it over human life, it's about believing only it has value.

A robber who commits a murder in the act clearly thinks the money is worth killing them over, but he does not think that human life has no value, he simply sees more value in the money.

Pamela sees no value in human life and would kill us all if she had the choice because she thinks that is best for plants.

It's not about placing value over something, it's about the fact that she places no value on human life and sees that as completely in the right.

>>85195619
When they kill someone for a dollar, yes. I don't mean when they're paid a dollar to kill someone, I mean they kill a person to keep a dollar safe.

There's a difference between Swamp Thing and Poison Ivy. Ivy will kill you for cutting your damn lawn, and he won't, do you get it?

>>85195433
It was in Black Orchid. And Ivy said that none of the guards would rape her because they were too scared of her.

>>85195711
Ahhhh okay thanks. I knew I had read it somewhere, its all a blur now after decades of reading.

>>85195711
>this is the same guy that used the Riddler as a soapbox to complain about comics getting too dark

>>85195773
>Pamela sees no value in human life
Do you even read comics. If that were true she wouldn't be getting wet over Harley and saving children. Ivy fucking loves children.
You don't know what you're talking about on any level of this conversation.

>>85195777
>Ivy will kill you for cutting your damn lawn, and he won't, do you get it?
MAYBE. In a few interpretations but mostly, no she won't.

>>85195982
The Harley and the children then have only appeared in the last 5 years and might as well be fan fic.

Also pyschopaths tend to sympathize with children and animals. What are you some retard that ships HarleyxIvy and is trying to find some justification for it?

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I'm just gonna leave this here.

>>85195982
Ignoring the times DC tried to make her an anti-hero, (meaning when she wasn't in Arkham), that's consistently been the flavor of her madness.

Am I just tired, or does "flavor of madness" sound like a band name?

>>85194700
Why do so many criminals in Gotham hold doctorates?

the word 'power' isn't being used enough in this discussion

Ivy is potentially the most powerful of all the Batman villains, she's could be a superman villain with a slight personality change

when someone is that powerful every decision they make has more significance

Reminder that she prostitutes herself to Arkham's guards.

>>85196167
Only in Slott's fap-fiction.

>>85196082
>Also pyschopaths tend to sympathize with children and animals.
>psychopath
>sympathize
HAHAHAH are you dumb? That's not how psychopaths work.
Here's a psychopath "sympothizing" with a child.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu17Wuq3nI8

>>85196121
>Ignoring the times DC tried to make her an anti-hero
>Ignoring HUGE swaths of her character history for my personal convenience I'm right
Fuck off.

>>85196143
Arkham has a study program for inmates so they can take classes remotely

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>>85195725

>>85196153
Has she ever gone up against Swamp Thing? I'm curious how comparable they are now.
The only interactions I can find between the two are Injustice and Rotworld, but I know for a fact they've interacted outside that.

>>85196226
Anon, you asked why she's locked up in Arkham, and then bring up instances where shes considered sane enough to stay out of Arkham.
That doesn't discount the times she slips back into misanthropic insanity.

>>85196226
kek go to bed HarleyxIvy fag shes insane and so are you.

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>>85196302
Several times including Injustice comic
>>85196153
She outright defeated Superman once

>>85196394
If that's your argument then she's been perfectly sane and rather nice even for since the Nu52. There's no reason in current continuity for her to go to an insane asylum.

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>>85196516

>>85196143
I happen to have an old pasta for this I wrote some years back when I was drunk. And since I'm drunk now it something.

That they turn against Batman just shows that he is invasive, he just doesn't belong there. The city tries to drive him mad but he persists. That he dresses up as a bat is just a way to get the city to accept him as part of it. Not the city as in the buildings, but the city as in the people. That he has to dress up as a bat to fit in is a testament to how sick the city is. Yet it remains and Batman, having nowhere else to go, adopts the city as a new family. Which is why he can never kill the bad guys. His crusade is that of a child trying to make his parents conform to his expectations. The irony here is also that the doctors, the people who were to help him, are all insane, and can offer no help other than for him to join them in madness, as a parent puts expectations on a child. He struggles to not grow up (which also explains the ridiculous costume).

In a way the city and the villains he faces are dark reflections of his psyche. All the villains represent different sides of himself, the doctors especially. The doctors represent his will to cure Gotham from the sickness that has taken hold. Once again, irony in that he is trying to cure the doctors. What he doesn't realize however is that the city is inherently insane, and he is the infection, which is why the doctors fight him. He is what is wrong with the city. Which I guess makes the Joker into Patch Adams for the purposes of this metaphor.

>>85196625
Is she in Arkham now, for reasons besides they're the only place in Gotham that can hold her?

>>85196553
>Several times including Injustice comic

Besides that though. I heard they met in one of the Justice League books, but I can't remember which one.

>>85196727
It's impossible to lock her up at all now that Harley has an ongoing. She's needed for frequent guest appearances.

>>85196877
So OP is bitching that a version of a character that ISNT locked up... shouldn't be locked up?

I'd really like to see both Ivy & Harley properly reformed as they keep going over and back. A redemption arc where Pam learns to relate to humans while still being defender of the green would be interesting to read.

I feel like out of all the villains they're the best candidates for it. Semi-reformed Riddler was sort of fun but not as believable.

Problem is a lot of writers have pushed them to do edgy shit that makes them irredeemable which I think doesn't fit with how the characters should be written(maybe Ivy a little) so it might require another soft reboot. But I think the concept of Poison Ivy as a somewhat heroic figure is so interesting because of how heavily she's tied with the typical and sometimes annoying femme fatale trope.

>>85196972

Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy are pretty much reformed right now and Batman gives them both protection.

They're basically the new Huntress. Edgy anti-heroes that Batman keeps an eye on.

>>85196972
Reforming female villains is such a thirsty thing to do.

>>85197237
Its in the same vein as making them bisexual.

>>85196972
Hell, if she needs a villain to fight at the climax, she can borrow the Floronic Man. Not only is he closer to her in power than Swamp Thing, but they've also been linked in her backstory in various outside sources. Plus, when he's a villain he basically has the same motivation as her, so it'd be pottery.

>>85194902
>>85194834

actually these points are not true. She acts as though she values plant life more, but in reality she is only using that as a vehicle for her psychosis. She has been shown to truly not give a shit about her plants and has used them as meatshields, putting them in harms way and discarding them, no matter how much she cries about "MUH BABIES" and the 'atrocities' humanity inflicts on the plant world.

She doesn't want the extinction of all herbivores, she just wants to lash out for attention.

Ivy has a storied history that reveals her motives are not as simple as she claims.

>>85196972
She is dangerous, but so are most things that are in nature.

>>85195167
>Lots of people value animals over humans
And how many of those people are so misanthropic they consider human beings as worthless pests that need to be exterminated, actively kill and maim people and destroy property in pursuit of this goal, and declare themselves as slaves of animal-kind?

Plus as far as anyone besides Ivy and Swamp Thing can tell, Ivy's claim that she actually talks to and communicates with plants are just schizophrenic delusions. Science would suggest plants don't have a consciousness, and though she can control plant life, she can't prove that she communes with them.

Thinks the loss of plant life is equal to the murder of a human. Plain and simple.

>>85197424
>And how many of those people are so misanthropic they consider human beings as worthless pests that need to be exterminated
Poison Ivy doesn't think that you jackass.

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>Female is a vilain
>huuuuuurr she needs to be reformed because she did nothing wrong, she makes my peepee hard and is my otp canon.

Waifufags are cancer.

>>85197538
Enough versions of her do that its just as valid an interpretation as anything else.

>>85198036
Evil doesn't make sense.

>>85197212

Mostly, but like they were building to it with Gotham Sirens and threw it away in a stupid way at the end. I would have loved to see her actually be a proper member of Birds of Prey, but now they'll never have her back.

>>85198036

There's nothing wrong with a good female villain. In fact we could do with more of them. It's just that Ivy embodies too much of a stereotype - sometimes a fun one, yes, but she's more interesting as a hero. Same goes for Harley, who was never meant to be a villain in her own right.

>>85196167
No, that was Magpie.

>>85197424
Even Swamp thing thinks she's nuts.

>>85198753
Name a female villain now that hasn't done a stint as a hero/anti-hero, and ISN'T a literally who. Female villains get redeemed far more than male ones do.

>>85196972
You don't need to reform villains, comic book writers just need to learn the meaning of nuance.
>how do I show that this character os the bad guy?
>I know! I'll have them kill random civilians while talking about how much they love killing innocent people!

>>85195711
So progressive...?

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>>85199609
The Joker's daughter is a reversal where a Female hero becomes a grimderp edgy villain.

>>85194700
homosexuality seems like a legit mental issue.

>>85199609
Just to make it even, compare that to make villains. Compare the ratios, to make it fair, since there are more male villains.

>>85199784
it's not to meant to be.

>>85194700
because she thinks shes a plant when really shes just a green bitch

>>85199813
Does that mean OP should seek medical treatment.

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Palmiotti and Conner already said that Harley and Ivy aren't villains anymore and that Batman will be showing up more and more in Harley's comic to help the gals out.

>>85196113
I'd pollinate her flower.

>>85195046
if she value plant life over human, why don't she becoming Swamp thing. >>85197354 is right, it's just her bullshit

>>85199609
Circe? People know her, right?

>>85196790
Justice League United.

>>85199902
Palmiotti and Conner were a mistake

>>85200017
Same reason the Floronic Man didn't.

>>85200029
Didn't she have a stint where she was kinda good or was that all a ruse?

>>85197354
She's even tried to pull the old feminist routine, which Waller called her out on.

>>85199902
Harley's comic takes place in the future after Harley's received her pardon from the Suicide Squad.

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>people keep posting ivy
>naked, thongs, dressed as a skank
>if everyone died tomorrow, i would be happier

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>>85200383
Damn, Amanda really is the best.

Why are we having a thread dedicated to that stale cheesecake Poison Ivy instead of a thread dedicated to the eternal glory of The Wall?

>>85200383
>Trying to shame a guy with a strawman, after having enslaved the guy in question earlier in the comic

She would fit right in on twitter.

>hippie
>not significantly mentally ill

>ywn be raped by ivy and harley on your first as a guard at arkham

>But not really insane
that pussy insane tho

>>85200787
>ywn be a henchman for Harley & Ivy and ""accidentally"" catching them having sex

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>>85200681
>enslaving someone is bad
Sure but she's hot so no foul.

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Bitch is crazy.

>>85194700
not really insane

Believing herself to be a goddess and growing plants in peoples mouths for hurting a flower? Sure.

Insane?
Nah

>>85200883
>ywn be a young sidekick gang banged by harley ivy and their friends

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Man, look at that booty.

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>>85200959
Maybe if Vertigo wasn't such pompous and arrogant asshole he could've learn to shut up and enjoy the ride.

>>85201007
>Women too. Probably more so

Ivy pls, you aren't fooling anyone

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>>85199609

It is kind of stupid that we turning every female batman villain into a bisexual?

I glad that magpie and Lady shiva are becoming more popular. I sick of the waifufags ruining every good female villains.

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Dang, Batman.

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See, this is all foreplay for her. Bitch be crazy, yo.

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>>85195619
That's a really good point actually

>>85201053
He was also going through severe psychotic depressive episodes, so I imagine being chemically manipulated by Ivy didn't help his mental state.

>>85201081
lol What the hell is going on?

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>>85194700
She actually deserves to be killed.

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Holy shit, Batman! Do you really need to punch her with closed fists? Just smack her around, man.

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They probably had sex right there on the spot with the gardener watching it confused and scared.

>>85201175
Azzarello is what's going on

>>85201173
Jesus fuck you could land a helicopter on that ass

As for Ivy being insane, I always remember a scene i wrote, based on scenes ive already seen Ivy and Batman in.

Hes saying 'You need help, Ivy. I can get you good doctors"

Because it isnt just this is what she decided to do, she really does have a problem. An anger, irrational decisions, thats making her lash out. Its more than "she loves plants" she loves plants...and has an issue she needs to deal with thats making her angry and irrational and a bit psychotic.

>>85201175

This is what's happens when DAMAGED try to deal with their urges.

>>85194700
Same with the Penguin, Bane, croc etc. Penguin's obsessive but that should hardly land him in an asylum. Bane's borderline retarded from venom but not insane, and croc is part crocodile of course he'll eat people he's a fucking crocodile

>>85199609
Azula

>>85200985
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>>85201223

I like this dynamic between Batman and Poison Ivy where he's pretty much her own Joker.

She'll try to do something dangerous and harmful to try to get his attention and they'll fight, but the whole thing is mostly a form of fore-play for something that he'll never give her. She hates him, but also she needs him.

Batman too, with him trying to help her without knowing how and feeling frustrated by her dismissal of his offers of help.

>>85201465
Penguin and Bane aren't considered insane though. When they're caught they end up in Blackgate, not Arkham.

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>>85199965
>I'd pollinate her flower.

You know. I don't think any of the Ivy porn on the Internet is particularly good, as hot as she tends to be in most comics and cartoons.

Why doesn't Arkham hire meta humans to help guard the facility too?

>>85201888
Comic book porn is rarely good, majority of it is in that shitty art style

>>85201888
She's already a full-on cheesecake character. Going full porn just kinda ruins the flow.

>>85202053
Because that would be too competent.

>>85201538

Azula is getting redeemed.

>>85202423
But I want to see her glorious firecrotch and no comic shows the one bush of hers I care about.

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>>85202633
I know that feel.

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>>85196226
>>Ignoring the times DC tried to make her an anti-hero
That seems like the sanest route though. I don't know why this vocal contingent of people who love the idea of Batman rogues turning anti-hero can't at least realize the ontological weight of 90% of people only knowing them as "that guy/gal Batman fight" will always win out. And that's okay. You can like characters without needing to feel like they're morally sound. If you just want an environmentalist superheroine, then surely there's a better route than turning one of Batman's most fascinating rogues into a mouthpiece for Greenpeace.

>>85195676

If I had to choose between you or my cat...sorry, you die.

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>>85194700
I thought Ivy was free at the moment.

>>85206857
Yeah, but that's YOUR cat, that doesn't count.

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>>85201167
Actually, Ivy fucking with Vertigo's brain chemistry really helped with his depression.

>>85194700
Very few of Batman's rogues would actually qualify for the Insanity Defense.
Only Two-Face, Humpty-Dumpty, Pyg and the Mad Hatter might be able to pull it off. The Joker would be able to trick psychologists into thinking he's insane.
But guys like Ivy, Riddler, Clayface, Bane, Killer Croc, Scarecrow, Freeze and others do NOT belong in Arkham, they should be either in Blackgate or Belle Reve.

>>85208406
It's a fair cop.

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Playing Arkham Asylum, why are Catwoman and Penguin's shit on display there?

>>85209325
I feel like Riddler and Scarecrow would be able to fake an insanity plea.

>>85209325
Faking an insanity plea is really hard. In the real world, it's only even attempted in 1% of cases, and of those it works less than a quarter of the time.
Quite frankly, unless you're risking the death penalty, getting an insanity plea isn't worth it. It basically allows the state to keep you locked up forever, whereas if you to prison you'll have a fixed sentence and they have to let you go at some point. It's not a get-out-of-jail-free card.

>>85201193
Everyone in Gotham deserves to be killed. Batman in a first place. I don't remember whether it was mentioned anywhere, but batman is clearly a sadist with a revenge fetish, who enjoys to torture people, but capable to do so only when they are percieved as bad guys, so his sadism is morally justified.

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>>85194700
Because Arkham is one of the few places with specialized facilities capable of handling high-level metas.

Croc isn't insane and they keep him too.

>>85209789
Why not send them to Belle Reve?

>>85197354
Ivy's origin is based on a story about a woman fed poison for all her life, until she becomes poisonous.

Ivy loves plants, but Ivy also wants to nurture others. That's why there's that BTAS episode where she makes a pod people family, or her new ongoing, or the stuff in No Man's Land where she adopts all the children.

Ivy is a literal poisonous person who just wants to care for and be cared for by others.

>>85198036
>huuuuuurr she needs to be reformed
i mean yeah, that's literally the entire basis of a proper justice system/ mental healthcare system.

They also try to cure Harvey all the time too. They've reformed Riddler and Penguin.

>>85209789
Ivy talks to plants.
They talk back.
'Croc eats people.

What part of those things seem sane to you?

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>>85199789

i want the real Deula back...

Rebirth pls

>>85209863
Which one? There are three of them.

>>85209325
I think Arkham is actually GCPD Blacksite.

Pamela is one of the only Batman villains who actually should be in a mental institution.

Her, Harvey Dent and Jervis Tetch are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head.

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>>85209896
Wait, what do you mean?

There's the original that became Harlequin of the TT, then Crisis happened and she turned out to be Jokester's daughter and died, and then N52 happened and made her THE ABSOLUTE MADWOMAN

Pretty sure there's only been one, just different versions, right?

>>85195148
>Being a woman.

>>85209926
He's just having a laff

>>85196143
Because a normal, everyday thug wouldn't be any threat to Batman and has less chance of coming into contact with Science-Related-Plot-Device to give them power

Is Harley herself actually mentally ill or is she a troubled person who just does bad things? I don't think being a domestic abuse victim or a criminal qualifies you as needing mental health help

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>>85209823
Even her eco-terrorism is all about others - plants and humans.

>>85210101
Her character never went so deep, she's just walking clown porn.

>>85209859
Believing that plants talk to you is only insane if they're not actually talking to you.

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>>85210249
Right, the Green is real. Do DC scientists know about that stuff or just plant people like Ivy and Swamp Thing?

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>>85194700
napoleon complex

>>85210101
her 2001 ongoing shows that she has severe delusions leading to full-on hallucinations.

She's pretty crazy.

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>>85209823
>fed poison all her life until she becomes poisonous
>wants to love others but hurts them

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>>85211163
So smol.

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>>85211337
the smollest

>>85211182

Does Arkham even give people medication and proper therapy? Delusional disorders aren't too hard to manage. Now, Harley actually taking the medicine is something else.

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>>85211362
Don't forget that Ivy isn't entirely human any longer. She might be the only one who could medicate her.

For homosexual and nympho maniac urges.

>>85194803
Arkham seems pretty easy to break out of compared to a regular prison.

>>85208754
If only real life mind control and rape worked that way, the world would be a better place.

>>85200383
From now on, I'm going to read all of Waller's lines in Viola Davis' voice.

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>>85209823
>>85211211

When will Harley love her back?. That's all Ivy needs to stop being so crazy

I just came here to say "boobs".

>>85200494
because waller is too fat to be waifu material and /co/ only cares about their waifus

>>85209896
If the Joker's true name is Gerard Tree, what is his daughter's?

>>85211163
>>85211337
>>85211360
>tall in the comics
>small in the cartoons
>this will never be reconciled.
Best headcanon is that her height changes with the seasons.

>>85209823
I always thought her controlling people and creating a family on her terms (pod people) showed that she truly craves control over others. Even with Harley, she's a bit possessive.

The orphans thing was one of the few times she was genuinely sympathetic.

>>85209767
Hugo Strange please

>>85194857
mostly the non-super powered and non crazy guys. Black Mask, Penguin, the mob etc. guys who are just crooks with a theme going.

>>85194834
Ivy deserves executions as much as the Joker. Unlike Freeze, she was pretty much always shown to be a bloodthirsty killer, right?

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>>85198036
Aren't you the same faggot from this other thread? >>85217658