>Man of Steel is the best movie in the DCEU

>>85085913

If the entire concept of film criticism on the whole no longer has any value you to you why do you come in threads about film criticism?

>>85085913
It's an aggregate of all reviews.

>>85085813
That's a really low bar, and yet every attempt they've made is somehow worse than it. How unfortunate.

>>85085913
>hey mom I can post!

>>85085813
>WB is 0/3
>DC is now a poisoned brand

bravo wb

>>85085913
>This is the only defense I have

>>85085913
>Movie is generic Summer comedy
>Gets middling reviews


Wow I'm shocked. If it weren't for the GB brand, it would be quickly forgotten along with "The Secret Life of Pets" which got the same score.

So in the case of both MOS and BVS, more people liked it than disliked it

That's really not bad

>>85085813
>*according to RT

>>85085977
Yeah, and that aggregate gave the new Ghostbusters a certified fresh.

I mean I haven't seen Suicide Squad myself so it could be absolute shit, but personally I'm not going to trust most of these reviewers. Especially if some of the complaints are literally that the movie is sexist, racist and worshipping guns.

/co/ puts too much value in reviews that come from people they hate until they say something they want to hear

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So how long before DC just goes back to making nothing but Batman movies?

>>85086180
but the critics are right in this case, BvS was terrible and MoS was OK

>>85086250
TDKR was terrible

But they already are going back to Batman only movies, it's why Snyder killed Superman

>>85086214
>6.4/10
>People saying that's a good score
Why the fuck does anyone look at the percentage?

>>85085913
>>85086214
Jesus Christ, just how triggered was /co/ by this movie?

"SUICIDE SQUAD?"

MORE LIKE

"SUICIDE WATCH!"

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>>85086250
>TDKR below Begins
>Begins not the best of the Nolan trilogy

>>85086335
A comicbook movie is out this week,/tv/ invades when this happens.

I don't get It. I've been to preview screenings for bvs and suicide squad and everyone at them loved it, then reviewers hate it. Is there a disconnect between fans and critics?

>>85085813
>No consensus yet

Also
>Top Critic score: %50

I always put more stock in the Top Critic score. It's not usually higher than the regular score. I take that to mean it's more of a love it or hate it kind of movie.

>>85086555
>. I've been to preview screenings for bvs
they were paid to clap

>>85086334
Because it's the bigger number, the average score is so small compared to it

>>85085813
told you it was gonna be shit

>>85086214
>>85085913
That was a good movie, though. Let's even be harsh and say acceptable movie.

>>85086280
but the critics are wrong in this case, BvS was amazing and MoS was OK

>>85086635
The rating is what actually matters, not the percentage

>>85085813
oh, you're a mean one

i like you

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>>85085813
This was better than Man of Steel.

>>85086335

Not triggered at all. This is a capeshit thread so 4/5 posters are from /tv/

>>85086744
No it wasn't. At least Cavill looks like superman, Routh looked more like superboy.

>>85086631
this, critics who rated it low were attacked by SJWs. The only critics who could rate it low were women, all the men got called misogynists.

>>85086401
But that isn't possible.
TDK08 is one of the greatest movies ever made, it is flawless besides Maggie not being all that attractive.

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>>85086744
Nope.

>>85086791
Proof? That's a real assy claim.

>>85085913
>>85086214
>>85086334
>>85086631
>>85086680
>>85086791

For the love of fuck mods fix this.

>>85086334
Yeah a 64% on a test is basically failing. It's just barely not failing officially.

>>85086802
What? Dark Knight sucked aside from Ledger's legendary performance. He carried that movie.

>>85086401
Begins is worse than Batman and Robin

>>85086555
It's because critics above all like to be treated nicely at screenings, Disney gives them "stuff" before their showing, during and after. I'm not sure if it counts as bribing when almost everyone do it, WB should be more of a fan of that (when it comes to movies). It's the reason they invited them to the JL set. Also you have to consider the many side factors these people consider when typing or releasing their reviews: how it affects their current fanbase, how it affects their image, are they being controversial and getting clicks, gaining more fans, etc.

So they're really just going to shit all over anything superhero WB puts out while praising any quipfest from the MCU now? Jesus, how depressing.

>>85086630
Who the fuck claps at a movie? Is this some kind of meme?

>>85086946
>he doesn't clap when a movie ends

I bet you don't say 'thank you' when you see your garbage men.

>>85086941
I've seen reviews both criticize Skwad for having quips and for not having quips

>>85086988
The same thing happened to BvS, contradictory criticisms about almost everything except for editing and Gadot.

>>85086982
Who the fuck sees their garbage men? They're In the truck and I'm asleep at 6 in the morning.

>>85087041
>BvS, contradictory criticisms about almost everything

lol what?

>>85086946
Murrikans are meme people.

>>85087091
Mine come around noon.

And Bruce Wayne thanks his garbage men

Jesus Christ
Being a DCfag truly is suffering
Brb gonna end myself

>>85086915
NOTHING is fucking bad about the movie in anyway, your a contrarian hipster shit stain, burn the fuck in hell.

>>85087149
See you later.

>>85086401

>Begins not the best of the Nolan trilogy

My nigga.

Begins was the best.

>>85086916
>Begins is worse than Batman and Robin
You are fucking delusional.
Robin has ZERO redeeming qualities besides the Mr Freeze outfit was cool before it became kinda dated.
Begins has...
>Entire cast is good to great.
>3 great villains.
>Fantastic car chase.
>Great sets/locations/visuals/directing/cinematography.
You are factually provably fucking wrong.

>>85086071


I wouldnt call it generic. Its a fan favorite IP with hot topic aesthetic and weird casting. The reshoots were also allegedly for more comedy

>>85087149
Do not anonymous! I need someone else to laugh at to make myself feel better.

>>85087268

/co/ - Comics & Cartoons

>>85087268
>the smart critics just refused to review it
Based James.

>>85087250
You can laugh at all the pain the WBDC movies have caused me
You have enough material for two lifetimes

>>85087333
Thank you for your noble sacrifice my DC friend.

>>85087149
you still have the better comics

>>85087445
It means nothing when marvel will end up selling more

>>85087445
>you still have the better comics

Don't mislead him like that lol

>>85087445

True.

But it's so fucking disappointing when Marvel can pump out average to amazing movies and DC kind of just slumps over.

>>85087325
I'd hardly call James a critic, but he is an enthusiastic film nerd. If anything, he should be praised for the articulate way he denied GB'16 as an average cinema fan but not as some kind of authority.

His video basically said " I'm not interested, don't bother me about it."

>>85087514
>when Marvel can pump out average to amazing movies
Thor.

I hate the direction of the DC movies because I feel like they're character are more fantastical, and that should reflect the movies. Marvel has more grounded characters and I wish the movies showed that.

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>>85085813
STOP

>>85087445
Well I guess I'm enjoying DC more than marvel comics wise right now.

I just want a win for DC movies. It's all been bad press and negative reactions and personal disappointments. I just want something good to happen for the DCEU man.

>Ghostbusters some how has a higher score than Suicide Squad

Well more evidence Ghostbuster reviewers were full a shit and just gave it decent scores because of the drama surrounding the movie.

Not saying Suicide Squad doesn't deserve its score.

>>85087239
I was referring to Ghostbusters

>>85087543
He said average

>>85087445
>you're better than bendis
Wew, lad.

>>85087483
DC has been dominating since Rebirth started

We'll see how long it lasts

>>85087604
And he forgot about Thor.

I hope DC has finally learned its lesson and stick to TV because there is no way they can budge into the film market now.
Marvel is basically iPhone at this point. They can literally churn out shit like Apple Watch and people will eat that shit up.

>>85087574
I'm enjoying DC comics way, way more than current Marvel.
I'm also enjoying Marvel movies way more than DC movies.

>>85087629
it'll be like new 52 where sales will go down after about four months

those minis and young animal won't be enough when the rebirth books start settling and marvel's new books and events come out

>>85086334
You can tell critics hated it but gave it a high enough score so it could get a passing grade

>>85087673
WB hasn't learned shit.

They'll "listen" to critics about Suicide Squad and they'll fuck with Wonder Woman's movie.

That'll do poorly, and then they'll listen to all the criticisms so far for JL and mess with that movie, but Snyder is so hated by critics it won't matter if it turns out okay.

>>85086744
I'm a big superman fan and I love the 1978 film
This movie was fucking garbage

>>85086865
too busy looking for those non existent hunger games threads...

>>85087514
>amazing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQWZX9fPR0Q

You know as much as I like DC, when they tried shilling this on facebook to sell suicide squad, I knew it was going to be shit. Their target demographic was hot topic teens who like the worlds most awful and tackiest shit. No adult is going to enjoy this shit.

RIP DC they don't know how to make a good movie or find a decent demographic.

>>85086689
I know that, the % number is larger in size so it draws more focus, that and the average score isn't even visible on mobile

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>>85086325
>it's why Snyder killed Superman

>thinking he'll stay dead

>>85087445
If you're only good in comparison to something else rather than standing on your own, then you're not actually good.

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>Trusting professional movie critics over the REAL FANS

>>85090146
Finally an unbiased review

>>85090146
Who?

>>85090146
5000% what?

>>85086250
But Suicide Squad is literally Batman's Rogue Gallery: the Movie. If this doesn't sell this is actually going to hurt Batman because it shows the IP doesn't shit gold like DC thinks it does.

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Miss him now, virgins?

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Not even Quesadilla will kick a man while they're down.

This is sad. We deserve better than this.

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>>85089781
>Had to steal a black guy from Teen Titans
>Only one female
Get it together, DC.

>>85090329
>5000% what?
FREAK.

It's what mom's gonna do.

>>85086890
You must be form America. I'm am truely sorry for your school systems and what they do to their students.

>>85086819
>No comments about the direction, cinematography, or editing
>Mostly comments about the writing with a few comments about the set design, music, and acting thrown in

Fucking hack. Can't stand "film critics" like these.

>>85090348
Yeah but aside from Joker and Harley, it's a lot of his C-List villains. The big names in his rogues can still get people in theaters.

When's Armond?

>>85090391
huh
>Fuck Marvel
>I'll watch SS

>>85090348
>Slipknot
>Rick Flagg
>Captain Boomerang
>El Diablo
>Enchantress
Yeah, nothing says "Batman's Rogue Gallery: The Movie" like having only 1/3 of the team be his rogues.

>>85090434
Maybe proofread what you type before judging others.

>>85090500
>>85090391
Ayer just got caught up in the moment, it happens.

Oh for fuck's sakes.... ONE movie DCEU, just give me ONE good movie!.

Being a DC fan is suffering.

No joke, I kind of enjoyed Man of Steel. Pretty average as capeshit goes, but entertaining none the less.

BvS was garbage though and Sqwad doesn't look any better.

>>85087228
Begins has that solid one piece cowl that makes it unwatchable for me, just like the Burton Batman films.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not that anon and I think Begins is great. I just cannot watch it for that reason.

>>85086161
It got BTFO on metacritic as well.

What's your excuse there?

>>85086684
You have terrible taste, in this case.

MoS just screwed up Superman. BvS screwed up Superman AND Lex Luthor, while Batman wasn't too bad, but he was a fucking hypocrite, meaning none of the major characters were likable in any way

>>85086250
Very soon.
What was the last DC movie not featuring Batman, that actually did well?

>>85090391

I feel like this is the most damning tweet of them all.

Quesada, back in the Civil War days when Marvel and DC were selling roughly the same and were in good competition with each other, would talk mad shit about DC comics. I feel like in some bizarre way that's how you knew he respected them as a rival.

Now all he has is pity. Handles them with kid gloves.

>>85090569
MoS wasn't bad but it wasn't good. It was X-men Apoc tier

To /co/mrades living in non English-speaking countries - how do you expect your dub to turn out?
>tfw Russian and it looks to be fucking dreadful
>original version with subtitles will most likely not be shown anywhere in my city again

>>85090789
Do non-children's movies get dubbed in Russia? Sheesh, I thought only germans were that pathetic.

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>>85090789
It's always shit.

I'm in latin america and the dub voices just never sit well with me, especially in Marvel movies. You don't know how good you guys have it in English, where the quips can actually work well in the dialogue.

In spanish, they just sound so awkward when translated.

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>>85085813
It's not really funny anymore

>>85090837
So like 35 years ago?.....Damn.

>>85090329
5000% amazing. C'mon, Anon.

>>85090789
>watching dubs

>>85090789
>>85090841
Don't they have any theatres that show the original English version?

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>>85090645

>>85090841
eh, you're exaggerating, but I get what you mean about the quips.

When it's serious and dramatic dialogue, the spanish dub can be decent. I like that Goku's voice actor does the voice of Bruce Banner in the Avengers movies.

>>85090882
I don't know if it's like that in all countries, but where I live, there are subtitled screenings, yes.

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>>85090837
Shit.

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>>85090789
I keep forgetting there are countries that actually dub over live-action stuff that isn't explicitly for kids

>>85090837
Does Watchmen count? Did that do well?

Anyone else think the problem is how much DC has to catch up to Marvel in terms of building a cohesive universe and introducing so many characters?

As a result the movies are having to take away from story building and having to focus on character introduction?

>BVS: Batman, Wonder Woman
>the entire suicide squad
>JL: Flash, Cyborg, Aquaman


Wonder Woman might be a saving grace? They can focus everything on WW, just like Man of Steel.

DC seems to just doing things backwards.
>throw characters with little or no set up or backstory to the universe into these giant complex plots that you don't really have an idea why they are in this movie

>>85090936
DON'T FREAK, MOM

Do movie companies even care about reviews anymore?

If Disney's tactic against Warner is paid bad reviews and negative press, then it's not working.

Batman vs Superman made $872.7 million, almost as much as the 1 billion Age of Ultron made. And every single top executive knows that right now what matters are two things, the Asian market and getting the western younger millennial generation into long standing franchises.

Let's face it, if marvel can make billions with fucking Thor and Captain America, then DC doesn't need much to revive Batman and Superman into the mainstream movie marketing machine.

>>85085913
>liking a good movie
>disliking a bad movie
I see no issue.

>>85090962
>>85090822
what's wrong with dubbing stuff that isn't aimed at kids?

>>85090822
>>85090962
Overall, English level here is abysmal.
>>85090882
There are some theaters that show it with original dub and subtitles, but you're lucky if they are doing the movie you want. I don't bother, I know that BvS got limited screening with original dub, but it was only in like 10 cities, and my wasn't among the chosen ones.
I will go with a friend anyway, won't drag him through a movie with subtitles in any case.

>>85090977
No.

>>85090997
>Do movie companies even care about reviews anymore?

Yes. If WB didn't, they would have pulled together that "Justice League is FUN, look how FUN this movie is gonna be" PR stunt recently.

>>85091091
*wouldn't have

>>85091041
Also an interesting fact, there was actually a petition about changing Russian voice actor for new Spiderman since he was god awful in CW, and is scheduled to do Homecoming. (Idk how bad he was, haven't seen the movie, but all my friends said he was terrible).

>>85091091

Both companies are media empires and marketing is half the battle. However the main selling point isn't reviews, it's brand recognition and investment by the audience.

Warner knew that everyone and their kids would pay to watch Superman and Batman kick each other around.

>>85091027
It dilutes the product. The voice isn't of the actors that were directed by the director and don't reflect the product.
It's understandable for kids who can't read subtitles fast enough, but what's the excuse for grown adults?

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Am I the only one who found it weird in Suicide Squad when that one character stole Iranian military documents to prove itself?

I mean for a movie that advertize itself for being rebellious, this sudden display of American patriotism is just utterly out of place.

>>85085970
Is that a real question? To make people into what he has become.

>>85091178
>what's the excuse for grown adults?
Wanting things in their own language. Why is an excuse needed here? You should try finding out about other cultures, you might find that they're not the same as yours.

I mean, I agree that it can dilute the product, but that's a small price to pay from the business side if there's still plenty of money to be made.

>>85090977
It got decent reviews. Not sure about how it did at the box office.

>>85091255
>stuff in their own language
Yes, the subtitles.

>>85086401
Finally some good taste.

>>85087445
>you still have the better cartoons

fixed

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>mfw it just dropped to 35%

OH GEEZ OH GEEZ

>>85091262

Budget $130 million

Box office $185.3 million

It made a little back over the budget. It did okay.

>>85091155
and they shit the bed with it. IP is the most important part of Marvel and DC. Comics make very little profit but their IP is HUGE. Merch alone outsells comics, never mind movies and cartoons. But WB last few movies have been devalueing the IP. Green Lantern could be a great merch seller, it's a cool logo and people should be proud to wear it, but the movie made it so people don't want to wear that. Superman i rarely see as well cause, he's not a good guy anymore. All I see is Batman, and that's sad cause now they are all wearing murderbats logos

>>85091413
>dropped

It was on 33% so that's actually an improvement

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>>85086941
Why do people constantly claim that critics do nothing but praise Marvel when the critical consensus for almost half of the MCU were mediocre at best?

>>85091462
what was the advertising budget? cause that is usually the same as the movie budget for big movies, this wasn't a big movie though so....it still possibly lost money

>>85090405
This is the justice league they should've gone for

>>85091387

Marvel comics are trash.

DC reboots, gives us multiverse titles, AND bring back old characters from the old universe in separate titles.

All Marvel has is PR stunts, "events" and diversity gimmicks.

>>85091527

It feels better to live in a reality where nothing is your company's fault.

Entertainment Weekly gave it a B-

I generally agree with whomever writes their reviews.

The best system is to find a Critic you agree with and just go by them. 90% of RT critic are basically bloggers.

>>85091632

I could give you plenty of examples of vice-versa of what you just said, but I get the feeling it would fall on deaf ears.

>>85091300
Not nearly as many people care for subtitles as you might think.

We're not all like /a/ who sperg out at people who like dubs and exclusively watch their shit with subtitles. Shocking, I know.

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>implying bad reviews means anithing
thread

>>85086005
no mr underage

>>85091552

I've been doing some searching and apparently their marketing budget was around 40-50 million, against a production budget of 130 million.

Taking that into account, they broke about even with their box office take.

Not a flop, but it didn't touch any records.

>>85086758
Not to mention in this movie he gets beat up by Kumar.

>>85090258
Abby

>>85090466
>>85090515
But Batman's villains are the main draw here, that's the point. You know damn well they were planning on Harley Quinn and Joker spinoffs before this movie was even finished.

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>>85091745
>We
>/co/'s one person

>>85087220
>>85086401
Always loved Begins the most. Maybe because Year One is my favorite Batman story and Begins was basically Year One minus Catwoman

The twist of the movie is that the WB execs are the real Suicide Squad.

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>>85090146

>Have you accepted Ezra Miller as your lord and savior?

>>85086631
So much of the opposition to the movie was brodudes triggered that it had a female team. A lot of support for the movie was women who were determined to like it because it had women.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ghostbusters-is-a-perfect-example-of-how-internet-ratings-are-broken/

Either way, it's a whole lot about some middling summer comedy that doesn't look interesting enough for me to see, but was totally inoffensive in its choice to be, like, one movie out of thousands that has more than two female main characters. The fact that there is some war over this shows how dumb this alt right/SJW culture war shit is becoming. I just kinda want everybody to die now.

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Oh my, how emBEARassing!

>>85087546
I don't want DC to be "grounded" we had that with the Nolan trilogy. These are Cape movie the heroes should be largernthan life, go big or go home. I like the MCU, but I do not want DCCU to be anything Like it.

>>85091947
If only both movements had a single head, and we could suffocate them at the same time.

>>85086335
I've heard nothing but praise or meh about nuGhostbusters from /co/

Most criticism boils down to "WHY DIDN'T PEOPLE WATCH EXTREME BUSTERS"

Which is true. Why didn't you watch it you fucklords?[/spoilers]

>>85086684
Structurally, both movies were flawed, but BvS was way more technically fucked up on almost every level than MoS.

That said, I dislike both movies, but at least BvS was less boring than MoS. It was kinda like watching some trainwreck where you can't pull your eyes away, because you're totally bemused by the weird choices it makes. Whereas MoS was just kinda, "meh, I don't like it."

>>85091902
What I wouldn't give to see the room of WB executives panicking after three DCEU movies in a row have been critically panned.

>>85092001

Fuck you, I did watch it.

>>85091527
I mean Marvel fans do the same thing. In reality, only a few of their movies were "good"
>Ant Man
>Spiderman 2
>Avengers
>Winter Soldier
>Iron Man
There. 5 movies. Just 5.

>>85092032
>avengers
>ant man
>good

>>85092032
hot opinion there bud

>>85092023

Executives care about numbers. As long as they make back the budget, they'll just crank out more in the hopes one of them hits.

Reviews only matter in that successive poor reviews form a stigma in audience minds that snowballs down the road. DC doesn't want to put out the image that their movie products are pure poison.

>>85092032
I would have to disagree.

Fucks sake. I actually fell for the 'get excited by a DC movie' meme because there was no Synder.

Still gonna watch it like, but how do they keep fucking up. Seriously the cast was good (for the most part anyway), Ayer is good. Why does it keep going wrong?

>>85090695
Well, I mean DC is outdoing Marvel in the Top-Ten these days because of Rebirth. Before Rebirth, and also back before New52, Marvel was king.

But yeah if people only care about movies, then Marvel adaptations are doing better than DC adaptations.

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>>85092032

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>Meanwhile

>>85092153
>>85092092
>>85092086
>>85092065
I was speaking from a general point of view, not a personal one. Browse any forum, including /co/, and those are the 5 movies that are universally considered "good" from Marvel.

Going to seen this Friday. Sorry but I never listen to critic. Avatar is sitting at like 80% on RT. That movie was shit.

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>The only reason BvS made as much as it did was because of name recognition.
>The only reason it even has 800 million is because of the sheer amount of people who went to go see it on opening weekend.
>Were it actually Decent-to-good, it'd easily bust 1 billion
>Even after this foul fuck up, WB still has Snyder directing an even bigger movie later despite his mediocre-to-bad track record

>>85092170
This is the reason i can't take RT seriously.

>>85092222
Is the movie bad?

>>85092065
Antman was good. Avengers was decent at best.

>>85092217
For the last time, HIS WIFE IS A PRODUCER

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>>85092229
>he hasn't read the leaked script
oh boy, you're in for a ride

>>85092266
I did read it.

>>85092217
I thought JL is his last movie for DCCU

>>85090980

>Anyone else think the problem is how much DC has to catch up to Marvel in terms of building a cohesive universe and introducing so many characters?

Absolutely. SS is the perfect example. It boggles my mind at why they'd make a movie with some of Batman's rogues/supporting cast before he's even had a solo movie to set some of it up. Rather than taking the time to set up a good franchise foundation and get the universe, it feels like DC are desperately trying to play catch-up to Marvel, cramming an equal amount of movie universe development into a fraction of the time. Shockingly, it's backfiring on them

>Wonder Woman might be a saving grace?

If they keep meddling to a minimum, let Jenkins do her thing and let the movie have a style distinct from Snyder then that's already going to improve things. I think it's early days to judge with Wondie but I'm cautiously optimistic.

>>85092217
Yeah, that's why Ultimate Cut in top sales...

>>85090980
That is exactly it. Marvel has been doing it since Iron Man 1, DC just started with MoS.

3 movies out for DC, and 2 of them are ensemble films. One of heroes, having to go as far as showing fucking camera footage in email to introduce people well before they are ready, and one is villains which are mostly Batman villains before Batman even gets his own fucking movie.

DC is all in on this, they have movies planned and actors casted.

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>>85090837

>>85085813
for all it's problems the first half is at least interesting.

>>85092222
6.5 isn't good dude

At what point does WB acknowledge that Snyder is a hack and give him the boot? After Disney makes another gorillion dollars from Marvel films?

>>85091650
>your company
I highly doubt very many of the people bitching about this work for Warner.

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Anyone have the sinking feeling critics are just going to keep judging DC movies harder and harder as more come out because of the outrage culture around it? BVS's 36% is still talked about everywhere online.

>>85090693
when's the last time they actually tried to do a movie without batman? Yes Superman Returns and MoS didn't do as well as expected but that is just 2 movies.

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>Rewatch the trailer
>In spite of the reviews I'm still hype for it
Fuck it, I'm still going to watch it. Please don't be shit

>>85092343
For new releases, not overall, you spin shifting faggot.

>>85091632
reboots are the biggest fucking PR stunt there is

Look guys, I haven't seen the movie and I won't judge until I see the movie on Friday.

No one here has seen the movie, save for a select few.

I'll trash the movie like I did BvS if it is bad. Until then, I'm still hype.

>>85092266
Y

>>85092601
Just because it's talked about doesn't retroactively make it good.
DC should be worried about making good movies, instead.

Has someone checked to see if Grace Randolph has gone feral yet?

>>85087574
If you want a win for DCEU tell them to not make a shit movie with a weak, non-cohesive plot that feels like a bunch of randomized scenes all thrown together. They are going to effectively kill the comic book movie market if they continue doing what they've been doing and then none of the hardcore comic fans will be able to see their favorite stories brought to life in live action adaptations.

>>85092848
>those crazy eyes
>that pear shaped body
how can someone so cute have such shit opinions?

>>85092848
Not yet, not really anyways. She's posting a review at midnight.

5.4/10 god damn

>>85086016
Don't be silly. Batman will always make bank.

>>85085813
>Suicide Squad got their own movie before Doom Patrol

>People will defend this decision by WB

All of you make me sick

>>85092917
lol BvS was a flop in theaters. Not even Batman saved that film.

>>85092170
Just 8 reviews, and a 6.5 average. It'll go down at least a little.

>>85092927
To be fair the Suicide Squad film had been in talks since around 2012 I believe.

>>85092576

They CAN'T anon. They're in too far, at this point.

At the very least, they'll come in a little over breaking even after it's all out, then they can try again in another decade.

>>85092891
Bitterness, a bit of contrarianism, and being a SJW,

>>85092596

I meant hardcore DC fans.

Jeremy Jahns liked so theres some normie points.

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I want to see how the board meetings go when snyder has to explain to the DC and WB heads wtf went wrong. I also want to hear what kind of shit talking is going on in the DC writers and artists offices.

>>85086161
Maybe if they recast everyone as women and shamed every possible critic as a mysogynist it would e done better out of fear of being called bigoted.

But seriously, ghostbusters was what it was always meant to be. And average comedy with colorful cgi and the GB brand. Hithing expectations. So far the DCEU has tries to be a grandiose reboot with deep philosophical metaphors and handles them all poorly. Thus failing to meet expectations. Id say that's mostly what we're seeing.

>>85092601

Someone mentioned this earlier in the thread. Bad word of mouth doesn't have a bad money effect, at first. Over time, however, the effect can snowball.

Take Transformers movies. Everyone hypes up them up, but they peaked at the 2nd film. It's been diminishing box office returns since them.

TMNT? Out of the Shadows made HALF what the previous movie made.

Bay's formula is finally petering out.

>>85090789
Romania doesn't dub movies for adults, and we take care to see the subtitled versions of animated films.

I think we accidentally saw HTTYD 2 dubbed, but it was okay.

>>85091632
>>85092701
Rebirth isn't even a reboot. It's not like they actually pulled a Newer52 here. They just decided to add in a bunch of older stuff to the Nu52 universe from the previous continuities.

It's more like a deboot than anything.

>>85093046
Jeremy likes everything, though. There's a reason why Ralph always makes fun of him

>>85092032
I'd add Spider-Man 2002 Blade and Cap TFA to that list too. Civil War if you're generous.

>>85093223
I have no idea who Ralph is.

>>85093049

REALER

IT NEEDS TO BE REAAAAAAAAAL

REAL LIFE HAS A DARK FILTER

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>>85092811
I never said that. I'm saying the talk around their DC ratings gives them huge publicity, they might keep doing it.

>>85086988
It's like people have different opinions! That's fucking crazy, man.

>>85093309
>huge publicity
Bad publicity.

>>85086161
Sony is known to buy reviews
Disney probably does too
WB is just stupid

>>85093430
WB literally owns Rotten Tomatoes.

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>>85093347
Jesus, reading comprehension dude. I'm talking about publicity for critics/RT.

>>85093535
Yes, and they could easily make it so the aggregator ignore a few negative reviews for their own movies.
Hell, they could pay for reviews like everyone else

>>85093593
Nobody is actually reading the individual critics though. That kind of stuff only works when one reviewer is being contrarian to the entire industry.

>>85092102
>Fucks sake. I actually fell for the 'get excited by a DC movie' meme because there was no Synder
>Ayer is good

Critics seem to hate DC in general, so whoever's involved with them becomes a lightening rod, as well. Has Ayer EVER released a movie with a score even approaching this one?

>>85093430
>>85093535
Problem is paying off reviewers costs money. And the way corporate works is, if you've got a stinker on your hands, you don't shovel more money into the fire and think the things gonna work better. You cut your expenditures and try to polish the turd as best, and as cheaply, as you can.

People keep talking about Disney paying off reviewers, but when it comes down to it that has only ever been seen with companies paying reviewers for their own movies. You don't pay money to try and get them to review worse other movies. Mostly because it's harder to disguise with things like "exclusive interviews" and "reviewer screenings."

>>85093593
What this guy said: >>85093678
And only when it's extremely contrarian or you already have enough for a presence that your contrary opinion is notable. The vast majority of critics, big and small, not thinking much of DC movies isn't giving them publicity. They're not even saying things that get you publicity. It's pretty much just "movie's kinda eh. Maybe a few good scenes or lines, but overall kind of lack luster." Tepid negative to mixed reviews are what DC movies get. It's rare the review that thinks it's complete shit, but it's rare the review that thinks it's anything worthwhile either.

>>85093758
>What this guy said: >>85093678
Whoops, meant this guy >>85093670

So, three strikes. Anyone who still has faith in the DC movies is a fool.

>>85091745
>We're not all like /a/ who sperg out at people who like dubs and exclusively watch their shit with subtitles. Shocking, I know.
Yes you are, just about other things, company wars, calarts, tumblr

>>85093883
>reading comprehension
That has nothing to do with this. Fuck off

>>85091745
>We're not all like /a/ who sperg out at people who like dubs and exclusively watch their shit with subtitles
You don't try watching stuff in its native language?

>>85086325
>TDKR was terrible
4u

>>85092937
$900,000,000 is a flop?
Interesting...

>>85097186
>$900,000,000 is a flop?
>Interesting...

not a big flop, but for a +250 million movieit isn't very good. it is the first time of batman, wonder woman and superman on screen and it did last than dark knight movie

David Ayer has been watching the review. From his twitter.

>"Zapata quote is my way of saying I love the movie and believe in it. Made it for the fans. Best experience of my life."

I remember the same excuse being used for the Warcraft movie.

>>85092065
Antman was a legit enjoyable flick at least

>>85093114
>ghostbusters was what it was always meant to be. And average comedy with colorful cgi and the GB brand.

Ghostbusters failed and for good reason.
It was trash.

>CGI
The original used far more practical effects than you probably are aware of, especially considering when it came out.

>>85093049
There isn't a point to continuing the legacy of DC cinematic feature adaptations if they can't build and convey a setting in which Batman can get raped.

>>85097496
650 million isn't very good? Do you know how much money the average movie makes?

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>>85093796
does it really have to be this way?

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>>85097186
>>85099753
BVS did not make anywhere close to that amount.

It cost around 400-500M to make and market (General rule of thumb is the movie's marketing costs the same as it takes to create) and WB only get's half the profits from overseas markets.

Sure it made money but not that much from box office.

>>85099916
Let's just hope that Justice League 2 is going to be a Crisis on Infinite Earths movie by Snyder. I think Snyder could make a fantastic CoIE movie.

>>85085813
>Some of the characters are one dimensional
>The Government again is just your typical for the "greater good" antagonist
>Lack of real consequence

Read all the reviews, this are common words or phrases used. It's very similar to Captain America: CW. it's almost like they have a template for this kind movies.

>>85092008
well yes MoS was more boring of a movie, but it was also less offensive. BvS should not have been allowed out the door, it was an incoherrent mess and if you think it was better than MoS then I'm not sure what you like in movies. It had good visuals, but screen caps don't make a movie

>>85092065
Ant Man was deeper than anything DCEU ever put out, it was a movie about how fucked up families can heal

>>85100584
>Worlds and universes dying and exploding to open the movie
>Anti-Monitor goes on constant monologues about life and creation
>Flash throws himself into Anti-Monitor's machine to destroy it, his death reminiscient of Dr. Manhattan's creation
>Lois Lane dies instead of Supergirl
>Eisenberg Luthor and Batman devise the master plan to finally take down the Anti-Monitor

Sure, why not.

>>85100867
lol

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>>85100970
>batman gets raped in prison
NOW you have the perfect film.

>>85101047
What the fuck
MODS

>>85097552
warcraft movie was an unmitigated success that broke BO records internationally

>>85101071
>unmitigated success that broke BO records internationally
lol

>>85099554
what, exactly, do you mean when you say "raped"?

>>85093758
For the last time, WB has already been caught paying reviewers for good reviews. None of the other companies have, now I'm not putting that beyond them but when one company has been proven to be doing it you can't shift the blame to others

>>85085813

I wish Marvel movies were also judged so severely. It would be perfect.

>>85101262

Video game reviews and film reviews are two entirely different things.

I'm not sure why this is so difficult for people to understand.

>>85101182
> Everyone says that about "Batman Begins." "Batman's dark." I'm like, "Okay, no, Batman's cool." He gets to go to a Tibetan monastery and be trained by ninjas. Okay? I want to do that. But he doesn't, like, get raped in prison. That could happen in my movie. If you want to talk about dark, that's how that would go.

-Zack "The Hack" Snyder

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So when will these fucks just stop it?

>>85100997
>lol
>>>reddit

>>85101267
They are.

>>85101262
That's not disagreeing with that post, anon. The fundamental conflict here is both the belief that Disney buys all its good reviews, which can't possibly be true, and that Disney buys all its competitors' bad reviews, which is even less possible.

The only thing that ever happens, in general, is company's buying good reviews for their own stuff and usually mostly in the wine and dine way. Rather than outright bribery. So, I'm agreeing with you, but the larger issue was the conspiracy theories about Disney being responsible for the current trend of them getting good reviews and WB getting bad ones.

>>85101408
They'll never quit. Way too much potential money to be made.

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>>85097186
was a little less then that

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>>85101382
>you need prison rape to make things dark.
> a child saw his fucking parents gunned-down in an ally way after leaving a play that scared him early.
> almost dies during training.
> Scarecrow is one of the villains he fights in the movie.
> not dark because of no prison rape, a shitty trick that grabs for low hanging fruit.
Zack's one of those people who never grew out of his early to mid teen years, right?

>>85101267
>being this blind

They are judged just as harshly, it's just that there is more wrong with DC movies.

>>85101672
He thought Watchmen was silly and his favorite comic is Heavy Metal, so yes

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>>85101642
>getting destroyed this hard by Disney
And WB is making their own Jungle Book: Origins film...

>>85093796
Four, if we count Green Lantern.

>>85101642
This chart is old, Finding Dory is #1 now

>>85092001
>"WHY DIDN'T PEOPLE WATCH EXTREME BUSTERS"
It looks like shit. No jokes in the trailer made me come close to laughing and I don't care for the actors nor the IP.

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>>85101642
BATMAN VERSUS FUCKING SUPERMAN

LESS BOX OFFICE THAN THE FUCKING JUNGLE BOOK

>>85101727
heavy metal is great though

>>85100867
>Ant Man was deeper than anything DCEU ever put out, it was a movie about how fucked up families can heal
lol
It unintentionally won an award for comedy didn't it?

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>>85101798
That's worldwide
You are thinking the North American numbers

>>85093535
They own the fucking site, not the individual critics that review it.

>>85102137
i'm honestly surprised people still care enough about pixar after so many flops

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>>85102029
JUST

>>85102176
People only care about good Pixar movies

>>85102116
>comedies can't have social commentary
get back to your hole

>>85102029
which was a live action remake of a 60's film and that film was loosely based off a century old novel

>>85102243
You think antman had a deep social commentary?
Which one of us lives in a hole.

>>85102176
Finding Nemo was a huge hit in the US.

>>85102201
I really can't take believe image was made in sincerity

>>85102201

No sane person actually believed that BVS would overtake TFA in box office returns....

Right?

>>85092647
The resulting disappointment will embitter you. Prepare to become one of us when you return.

>>85102393
Batman and Superman are huge properties. It could have gone very well.

Also, I hated TFA, I'm shocked it got well reviewed and is generally liked.

I truly believe BvS > TFA by some margin.

>>85102393
only people pissed at Disney/ Lucas Films believed that.

>>85101408

Never. They're still making money

>>85102461
I disagree with your opinions entirely.

>>85102393
Every Bat film made a Billion.
BvS had a hardcore Marketing campaign (it was allegedly about the same amount or money money put into as TFA)
That 800 million it made was in that first week it dived hard after that.
It only has the money it made because of the name power and marketing

>>85102461
>I'm shocked it got well reviewed

people have been begging for a decent star wars film for decades

>>85102319
>I really can't take believe image was made in sincerity

I don't know what is sincere and what isn't anymore. I know false flagging exists because I've done it myself in the past.

>>85102561
TFA is almost a scene for scene remake of ANH with a Mary Sue insert. Sprinkle in some disney quips (tm) and you can throw out any chance at tension.

>>85102564
>Every Bat film made a Billion.

two bat films made a billion. Batman begins Box Office was dogshit

>>85102506
in the same way one can make by living pay check to paycheck.
Justice League doesn't have the same grace of the average movie goer now thanks to BvS. Hell Suicide Squad is reaffirming people's doubts. If Wonder Woman suffers as well that ensures that Justice League will have a very Josh Trank FF levels weak opening quality be damned.

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>>85102617
An ANH remake with no tension is better than a piece of shit. Back to your ideas guys cave.

>a-at least they tried

>>85102669
>An ANH remake with no tension is better than
It's not. It's not better than anything. Why would you reward a shot for shot remake an a SJW insert?

>>85102754
I honestly thought she'd at least say it was better than BVS.

>>85102155
This. Rotten Tomatoes shouldn't be the target of the hate--it's an aggregate of reviews by multiple reviewers and critics. If RT were to disappear tomorrow, critics and reviewers would still say the same thing about a movie.

>>85102755

Everyone's entitled to their opinions.

Except you because you clearly have terrible opinions.

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>>85102754
>Queen of the DCucks hated it

It just keeps coming!

>>85102393
It had the potential to do so, they have among the most recognizable characters in the world at their forefront, which speaks volumes about just how hard they failed.

>>85102393
It was literaly the most anticipated film ever.

>>85102855
At least I'm able to form my own opinion :^)

>>85103059
>my own opinion

>anh remake also mary sue

>my own opinion

>>85101642
Huh, I expected Dory to be higher, reviews all claimed it was actually good for a sequel.

>>85103089
Yes, my opinion.

>>85102754

IT'S OVER.

>>85085813
They're not wrong.

For real though, Man of Steel was pretty good. I genuinely don't understand why people didn't like it.

>>85085813
God damn I wanted this movie to be good. I wanted something to save the DCEU

>>85103244

Same

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>>85103260

There is no saving it. Just have these 5 shit movies come out and fucking STOP

>>85103244

>I genuinely don't understand why people didn't like it.

It's a complete structural mess on a screenplay level and the third act is empty destruction porn.

>>85103244
>>85103274
Because it didnt reach its potential, you can see where the studio came in and reshot or rewrote the movie vs zachs kinovision.

>>85087228
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXHskZCqhiI

>>85103333
I disagree about the structure and pretty much every capeshit film ends with a third act of full-on destruction porn. It's just the nature of the beast.

>>85103307
I'll give you this. One of the few genuine gripes I had with the story.

>>85103307
People point to the dead Dad scene as problematic, and it is. But that doesn't make the entire movie bad.

To think that dc's film universe would've had a more solid foundation if Batman didn't die in dark knight rises.

>>85103323
I'm sure the WB execs are making millions on these, even more on merch and shit. Do you honestly think this will stop?

>>85087445
>he thinks comics matter

Everybody laugh at him

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>>85085813
The moment the first images were released and saw the terrible costumes, I knew the movie was going to be shit, I even fucking said in a thread but was dismissed.
It was a big warning sign of the bad judgement of the people behind the movie and the overall lack of talent in putting the movie together.
The Joker himself is a perfect sign of this, he had DAMAGED and a bunch HA HA HAs all over, it was such retarded shit, unbelievably so.
Who the hell could possibly come up with such a blunt over the top retarded idea? It told you everything you need to know.
Not to mention DCs terrible cinematic track record and yet retards here on /co/ told us it's going to be good despite any evidence or sings of such.
Now on to Wonder Woman, that looks to be crap too, time will tell but I'm sure we'll see hundreds of threads of the same blind optimism with SS, BvS.
When will /co/ learn, how many years of this are we going to go through with this?

>>85103736

It is the cherry on the shit sunday that was MoS.

Midnight Special basically did the MoS better.

>>85103891

>you don't have to worry about me

>I like worrying about you

;_;

>>85103834
>Not to mention DCs terrible cinematic track record

Poor DC. WB just dragging their good name through the mud

>>85103891
>It is the cherry on the shit sunday that was MoS.
Yet it's the main thing people refer to. Show me the shit sunday.

>>85085813

I've had enough, is why I'm signing this

https://www.change.org/p/rottentomatoes-com-shutdown-rotten-tomatoes