Endtown 7/18/16

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>>84588234

Oh shit

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>>84588272

full size

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>>84588272
>how can we can't forget or traditions

>>84588234
>that tiger
Cliff?

>>84588234
>>84588291
Delete the thread and make one with the fullsize image to forget this stupidity.

>>84588260
You said it...Wally DID it.

>>84588367

no need, it's fine.

>>84588379
I also hate the date format.

>>84588400

fine...

>>84588422
Use 2016-07-18 or 2016/07/18, please.

that tiger or whoever is controlling him, must be the same one who was controlling or took the form of Lyn... i'm beginning to believe on that theory about flashback holly being the real holly.

>>84588485

i'm not op, btw.

>>84588538
There was really people doubting flashback Holly being real Holly?

>>84588617

i really doubted it, specially while she was still human.

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>>84588291
Reminder that this is not the first time this flashback has interacted with its audience.

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>>84588695

>kirbee titties in the third panel

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Might as well post a new game update.

Still working on the HUD. Given the feedback I got from the last thread I made new drafts for the health indicator, this time on the top-left of the window.

I'm thinking that the transparent background works best. Maybe in-game have the HUD be very transparent unless needed by the player?

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>>84588762
... Here is another draft I made quickly in Paint to get across my general idea. Not sure it's the best way to go about it, though. Feedback is appreciated.

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>>84588234

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>>84588762
... Also here is the heartbeat sensor that I made as a test.

>>84588819

cool!

>>84588819
Cool, reminds me to the first Resident Evil. Does the character will suffer any secondary efect for being damaged?

>>84588944
I'm thinking of including certain health effects given the nature of the damage, such as bleeding and burning.

In terms of effects outside of health, I'm definitely thinking of sanity. It's originally going to be a sort of ticking doom clock, slowly decreasing but very difficult to keep up if left unchecked. This affects little things like little abnormalities at first, then important things like battle capabilities, then essential things like visual-audio feedback until you're on the fringe of a schism.

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>>84588234
>>84588291

i missed Kirbee so much!

>>84588234
So this means that their sudden disappearance just for us but they still were there when Holly was escaping in the car? Or they were transported instantly to this exact moment?

>>84589473

i'm guessing they witnessed everything, Aaron just ignored them for a moment.

what is this?

>>84589655

a web comic?

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>>84588234

>>84589655
post-apocalyptic webcomic about people who have turned into anthro mutants by a sentient mutagenic virus from another dimension.

what is this?

>>84589760
>from another dimension.

we don't know this to be true yet.

>>84589767
See >>84589760.

>>84589655
the most depressing thing you will ever read

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>>84589804

it's enough...

>>84588234

I feel like the big reveal is incoming soon...

>>84588234
I have a feeling that something bad will happen if Wally confronts Holly in the middle of the flashback, like some sort of memory paradox loop or something.

>>84589473
Aaron just skipped over the bit where it would have been impossible to keep them safe or make their method of transit not look stupid.

The whole flashback thing kind of shot itself in the foot.

>>84590743
That may be an actual possibility. This whole time wally and co. have assumed this is just a flashback of holly's memories, but have never actually tried to interact with Holly.

>>84588367
>disrespecting a long-standing Endtown thread tradition
Fuckin nu-Endtown fans

>>84589075
Sounds cool man.

Would it change anything visually? Say hallucinations as you near schisming?

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>>84590743
>>84590876
>Wally speaks, half to himself but addressing what he thinks is an illusionary Holly, saying something about how he never knew all this time
>Holly suddenly responds without looking at him, something quiet, along the lines of "I should have told you...", reacting to Wally's voice through whatever trance the dittos have her in
>Begins to realise that she's not there and then, but here and now in a ditto illusion
>Freaks out
>Illusion suddenly shatters and the dittos begin displaying pic related in a repeating pattern

>>84590743
That could have been the reason why Lyn gave him that stare the first time he tried to enter in contact with him, because he was with Holly, Wally and co. can interact with everyone in the flasback as long as is not Holly or near her.

>>84590854
>The whole flashback thing kind of shot itself in the foot.
It was pretty dumb establish that they could get hurt in this illusion and then kind of show it when Wally gets ko'ed after the car crash to then make them see a house explote without any scratch.

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>>84591011
Of course! We're going full-on Eternal Darkness in this shit!

>>84591027
>It was pretty dumb establish that they could get hurt in this illusion and then kind of show it when Wally gets ko'ed after the car crash

they survived the jump but not because if was an illusion, some one obviously does not want them dead... they would have died had the hit the ground.

remember, some one is manipulating this flashback. we will find out who is doing it at the end for sure.

>>84591243
>it was*

>>84591022
I was thinking in something different: if result that the guy of today's page is Cliff, Wally could have a conversation with him that somehow could make him not steal his back and thus he would never meet Holly causing a disruption between what the dittos are showing and Holly's memories.

>>84591243
>some one obviously does not want them dead.
The question would be why? He already got Holly, why keep the others? unless this wasn't meant for Holly...

>>84588291
https://youtu.be/_Nvk32S7IY0

>>84590913
I'm one of the original 5 or so fans, plus this "tradition" started by mobile posters which are all by default newfags. So no, fuck you and your forced memes.

>>84591538
Look at this faggot. Look at this faggot and laugh.

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>>84591538
>I'm one of the original 5 or so fans

>>84590913
>being awful 'on purpose' is a tradition
Is this an American thing?

>>84591752
Endtown wasn't always popular here on /co/. I was introduded to it on a "unkown webcomics" thread. A bit later someone else made a dedicated thread but we were disappointed to have only about 5 posters max even if the thread managed to last for hours.

>>84588234
>>84588291
Uh, they talked to that waitress before, remember? They even ate the food.
They can interact with the illusion from time to time.
That's a pretty unfortunate time for it though.

>>84591891

i know this, but you bring it up as if makes you special or some important authority... it doesn't.

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>>84591538

>>84588365
>Cliff?

Cliff Hanger.

>>84591981
It was relevant because the post I replied claimed I was a nu-Endtown fan.

>can't keep track of a conversation

>>84591979
I think they are more impressed by the fact that he got into the conversation without a warning

>>84589075
This is probably better than the health effects, given that one of the bigger sources of damage - zero radiation - just disintegrates.

>>84588234
Aaron is made of plot twists.

is it me, or kirbee's hair got darker?

>>84593319
It could have been a effect of the lighting?

>>84588291
>>84588234

Look who just joined the party.

>>84588785

Really it's hard to know at this point. Might as well go ahead and see how it fairs.

>>84593319
It's always been pretty dark, that's why finding out that she's a strawberry blonde is so surprising. In all honesty, I think it's a retcon by Aaron who might prefer them blonde.

>>84593624
Well, strawberry blonde is a litte more darker than blonde

>>84593724
Yes, but not to the point that it looks -brown- in grayscale.

>>84588234
Why is the cat man talking to a golf club??

>>84591792
It's a human thing.

>>84593818
Actually in panel 2 her hair seems to be more clear

>>84593844
This reminds me at the time when someone draw a page of the comic according at what he thought was happening without any context.

>>84593624
Yeah, she looked much better when he was drawing her more redheaded, both in pencil and on the cover of one of the Endtown books. Really does feel like a retcon.

>>84588234
>first panel

>young Asgore

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>>84588234
Imagining climbing down this. Creepy!

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>>84594007

this should have genuinely been the actual cover of the book...

>>84594007
Isn't strawberry blonde esencially a more light tone of redhead?

>>84594138
Yeah, and the way she's being coloured now is bright yellow. Someone compared a recent pic of her with one of Holly and found their hair colours only differ by a gnat's whisker.

>>84594133
I thought that was one of the covers, coloured by Aaron? Either way, I think that hair colour suits her waaay better than yellow.

>>84594413

it's the back of the third book, should have been the front cover.

>>84594459
Why?

>>84591143
Radical.

>>84591143
This means that you're gonna put messages like "virus detected" or apparent the screen freezed to fuck with the player?

>>84594487

because wally and holly already had a cover for themselves? also the first half of the book is literally the milk trial which focuses on Linda, and the other 25% is unity.

I honestly think would have been better, they did get the back which is better than nothing though.

probably the next book will only feature kirbee and wally like that cutout...

>>84594007
I meant that Aaron made her blonde after she became a permanent waifu character but she was originally brunette and still looks so.

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>>84594138
>>84594377
For reference, strawberry blonde according to Google. Note the similarity to >>84594133

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>>84594826
Here's another example of how Aaron used to render her.

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>>84594873
And another.

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>>84594897
Here's how she looks now.

Theory: Aaron's colourist doesn't know what a strawberry blonde looks like and Aaron's too nice to say anything.

>>84594592
If people wouldn't be too bothered by fourth wall breaking, sure.

Stuff like, while in the middle of combat, a black full-screen window popping up with a message like "Driver failure. Performing full system restoration." then displaying a bunch of nonsense before cutting back to the game would be neat.

>>84594950
>Aaron's colourist

Selina

>>84594953
How would crap like that make sense with the lore though? Eye fucking with you?

>>84594684
because wally and holly already had a cover for themselves?
But most of the book still features them, plus that Linda doesn't really starts the milk trail, the arc was more about the trail per se and Kirbee doesn't appear until more or less midway of the Unity arc.

>probably the next book will only feature kirbee and wally like that cutout...
How much time takes Aaron to make another volume?

>>84594950
That makes no sense tho, I mean I sure that Selina has saw >>84594873 and >>84594897 and wouldn't change the hair color atleast she was asked to.

>>84594990

> Linda doesn't really starts the milk trail

but the arc does start with her, literally the first page of the book is her being released from screening.

>Kirbee doesn't appear until more or less midway of the Unity arc.

true, but it would have been nice to see the new face, specially if it's going to play a very important role later in the story.

>How much time takes Aaron to make another volume?

he told me than the next one will come out in 2019.

>>84595093
If she erroneously thinks "strawberry blonde" is mostly blonde with only a touch of strawberry, she may have "corrected" Kirbee's colour scheme to fit her verbal description, basing it on Holly's hair and adjusting it very slightly.

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>>84595119
>he told me than the next one will come out in 2019.
It doesn't matter, It's not like a can get the books where I live...

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>>84595234

why not? i live is a fucking shit hole and i managed to get mine...

but the postcards, those never arrived.

>>84594980
Right, that's why I'm hesitant to actually use that.

The nature of I/Eye or any other oddities like him are not really known. Was that instance of Jim just a once-in-a-million occurrence, or does he go around fucking with schism mutants constantly?

Given Jim's one line before he was consumed by flames, it's not like he kills and replaces you. He seems to possess you at your worst possible mental state.

Then again, given that it's more of a mind-fuck for the player than the player character, it's all probably a moot point.

>>84595271

>in*

>>84595271
I never really trusted in shipping package, I always have the fear that something will happen and I will lose my money, besides, I have no space where a can put them and the last thing I want is that somebody come to my home to then tell me: "anon, what's up with that mouse and cat?" It would be awkward as fuck, and it would have been more if Aaron decided to go with his original idea for the cover.

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Just for reference, I repeated the old colour matching experiment for myself using official art from after Kirbee's transition to being incredibly yellow for a strawberry blonde.

Kirbee and Holly's hair colours are nearly identical. You can barely see the overlap. Really curious as to whether this is an unaddressed miscommunication or an intentional retcon, now.

>>84595556
>"anon, what's up with that mouse and cat?"

it's a comic, it's not like you are buying porn...

to be honest i purchased the books primarily to support Aaron, he was kind enough to sing them and draw a small sketch on each one of the books.

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>>84595726
Here's the Holly art I used.

>>84595726
>>84595745
Forgot to add: Kirbee was sampled from the art posted here >>84594950

>>84595745


i think selina accidentally messed up her hair color, that's it. she coloured >>84594950

>>84595806

and the cutout most likely...

>>84595291
Well, schism is described as state where the mutant goes a maniac feral, you you just could make the character start acting without consent of the player.

>>84595726
I think I see it, Kirbee's color is slightly darker than Holly's one. Hope it's just a mistake because in my honest opinion that yellow just clashes horribly with the green tone of her skin.

>>84595987
>consent of the player.
Wait, is the player going to be something similar to eye?

>>84595806
Yeah, possibly even "correcting" it to be wrong, as mentioned in >>84595212
>>84595839
... and then Aaron was too nice to say anything. And it may have gone from "whoops" to "retcon" because of that. Yeah, that's kinda what I suspect.
>>84595987
Agreed. The light red fits her colour scheme far better. I hope it gets changed back.

>>84596060
No more like a Confusion effect from role playing games, where your character is sorta blacking out

"I" was an extremely rare case

>>84596146
To be fair, it would allow for some good 4th wall meta shit.
Then again, that would just make the game Undertale, which I'm not sure I like.

>>84596060
The player as a force that whittles down their character in order to erode their will and gain full control?
>>84596146
That's what I was thinking about mainly. Since I have plans for a party system, it'd make things quite chaotic.

>>84596196
>Then again, that would just make the game Undertale, which I'm not sure I like.
It doesn't matter if you use the 4th wall or not because anyways if the game gets ever released there's going to be people that it's gonna call it "The post-apocalyptic Undertale" with tha faggot of Game Theory making a video about how Marx is Sans

>>84596221
Also another question: it's going to be any objective or it will be one of those "survive all you can" type of game?

>>84596464
>with tha faggot of Game Theory making a video about how Marx is Sans
If Matt "Give The Pope Undertale" Pat ever did a theory on someones 4chan flash game I would have a mighty kek.
Unless you somehow make it into a official indie game and get that kind of audience, then in that case good job on the autism milestone.

>>84596464
As of this moment the plot draft is:
>dream sequence of surviving in Wastes
>wake up to Endtown room
>explore Endtown, stock up, meet people for a day
>go on a scavenging mission
>everything goes to shit due to Topsiders
>be a long way from home

From there I've been debating with myself whether it should be a plot-driven story with side stuff like Fallout or free-roam sorta like Mount & Blade.

>>84596777
>From there I've been debating with myself whether it should be a plot-driven story with side stuff like Fallout or free-roam sorta like Mount & Blade.
Fuck now I want a Fallout mod for this.

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>>84588234
>you have no idea how bad things truly are

>>84596740
>Matt "Give The Pope Undertale" Pat
Kek, thanks for remind me that, holy fuck he even believes that Undertale it's bringing pace to the world. But it wouldn't be that hard if you spread the word of a "game where you are in a underground city just like Undertale XD" specially if it has anthropomorphic animals. An Endtown videogame can be a double edge sword: if gets popular enough the comic will have more publicity and more people will read it, but we will also risk ourselfs to be invaded by a buch of autistic guys and furfags.

>>84596777
Secondary missions could spice a little the things even more if affects later events in the game.

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>>84597664

> risk ourselfs to be invaded by a buch of autistic guys and furfags.

>>84597880
Seriously how new is this guy?...

literally the only reason /co/ likes Kirbee is because of her sex appeal?

Not surprised.

>>84597664
The idea of missions affecting other stuff brings me to another topic.

Given that this is just a fan game for another person's work, I'm wondering how much stuff I can really add to it without it either being a) too stale or b) not Endtown. Should canon be an important factor? Are alternate outcomes in relation to the events of the comic permissible? What is the extent of original content in areas that Aaron has not addressed yet?
Does this even matter?

>>84598312
You could say that this is a alternate universe were things happened in a different way from the comic or in his defect didn't.

>>84598492
Oh boy, who's going to be this universe's Farx?

>>84598547
If there's a god no one

>>84598302
It's because she has an adorable personality

Endtown is a sea of inner demons and utter shits, but there is one shining example of purity among them

>>84598733

>taking the waifubait

last thing we need is a waifufight, don't bother replying.

>>84598312
>Does this even matter?

Nah. Gameplay ideas like that don't really affect the narrative.

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wait... if Marx considers the decapitated heads "people".. does that mean Holly was right?

>>84599103
>maybe, still, doesn't justify risking everyone's lives for a doorstop.

>>84599103
It really depends, what Marx or Holly believe is not the "absolute true" just their point of view

>>84599213

i give up, i need to go to bed.

>>84599220
except Marx has access to all dimensions and the afterlife, giving us some credence in his words when he talks about this sort of thing.

>>84599213
true, but it technically means Kirbee buried someone alive and left him to die. For her own sake, it's better that she doesn't learn that. Think how much harder the decision would have been for her had she actually spoken to Clive before he was disconnected. Chances are, she might not have left him behind either seeing as how she must help all people.

>>84599327
It that case I suppose that it was one of those "only the strongrest will survive"

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>>84599390

she kinda knew though

>>84599681
not really

all she sees is Holly holding half a persons head calling it alive, and this is before she starts acting crazy.

Kirbee would be destroyed if she knew what she had done, this might appear as a plot point later on.

>>84599754
>Kirbee would be destroyed if she knew what she had done

all she did was save everyone's lives, including holly's... she hid the brain because that's what wally though was the right thing to do.

realistically, the brain would have survived under the dust and topsiders could have found it later on like wally suggested, they decided to nuke it instead.

>>84599681
You can also said that he wasn't technically "alive" since his brain was off, but that doesn't make him dead because you can connect him to "turn on" again, So yeah Chic more or less was correct at saying that Clive was "asleep"

>>84588234
You know what's more scary? You being born

>>84599852
but she did that not really believing or understanding what it was she buried in the sand, she just saw Clive as an object that Holly was projecting on to (which he was, but he was also a person).

And you say she did it because Wally told her to... now I'm thinking she probably did horrible things under the lizards because they "told her to", that she was "doing the right thing for the colony" if she is so malleable.

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>>84599921
>but she did that not really believing or understanding what it was she buried in the sand

does it matter really? burying it on the sand was not what killed him, it was the missile. she has no reason to feel bad for something that is not her fault, if anything should be glad for having saved everyone.

>now I'm thinking she probably did horrible things under the lizards because they "told her to", that she was "doing the right thing for the colony" if she is so malleable.

possibly, there's a hint that she was more of an encumbrance for the colony actually, which is why they would send her snipe hunting for days in the surface.

>>84599921
This was intentional, I'm sure of it. Aaron will start laying into Kirbee at some point, and it's not gonna be pretty. She is basically where Holly was before the Milk Trial showed us the demons she was bottling up, a naive sweet innocent.

Going by what is happening to Holly, Aaron is gonna top her with Kirbee's horrifying past.

>>84600068
It's Kirbee who started the mutagen, as a consequence she got dumb after mutation and forgot about it and her past life.

"Watching the X Files" is her new mind rationalizing all the black ops shit she saw working for Apex

"baking" was making the virus.

Now we wait and see if this theory holds.

>>84599921
>And you say she did it because Wally told her to...
In Kirbee's defence, she didn't get rid of Clive because she was told to, she saw that the group have a problem cause by the presence of Clive and since Clive wasn't "alive" at that moment nor could fell nothing, leaving him behind was the most logical decision.

>>84600068
>Going by what is happening to Holly, Aaron is gonna top her with Kirbee's horrifying past.
If my memorie doesn't fail me, Aaron said that Kirbee's past wasn't as horrible as the Holly or Wally's flashbacks but was still pretty bad

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>>84600159
>Now we wait and see if this theory holds.

Anon!...

>>84600198
I think he's saying if Kirbee had ever known Clive as a person, not just with Holly's word to go off of, she would have been a bit less inclined to drop him off.

That being said, Clive would probably leave himself behind.

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>>84600276
>Clive would probably leave himself behind.

he would, those brains are driven by logic primarily, if it was the right thing, he would have been ok with it.

>>84588291
they never stop sweating do they?

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>>84600276
holly does have a point here, clive is truly unburdened by memories of who he used to be. petey was a fluke in that he remembered flask's pet name, but he himself was not the same person he was before. the plasticization process completely wipes the mind clean according to aaron.

>>84600326
I don't know, at difference of Petey or that other transport Clive was pretty assholish

>>84600336
There's no ventilators anywhere and they're most of the time in a desert, o'course they will sweat a lot.

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i would love to see kirbee angry sometime

>>84600540
It could be something like:
REEEEEEEEEEEEE GET OUT HERE FUCKING TOPSIDERS!!!!

>>84600068

I don't think Kirbee will ever see any repercussions from burying Clive. She definitely could have sentence him to death when she buried him, since the whatever the shelf life on those things is, it isn't eternal, but she was immediately justified by the plot. She seems kind of like a wonderfully good, perfectly kind-hearted, wondrously naive cinnamon roll whose character will never be besmirched.

>>84596839
What's going on in that comic?

>>84600744
>She seems kind of like a wonderfully good, perfectly kind-hearted, wondrously naive cinnamon roll whose character will never be besmirched.

This leads me to believe that Aaron's gonna punish her or the others through her.

He wouldn't pull a snowflake... not after readers reaction to Marx... would he?

>>84600744
>I don't think Kirbee will ever see any repercussions from burying Clive.

she wont face any because she did absolutely nothing wrong.

> She definitely could have sentence him to death when she buried him, since the whatever the shelf life on those things is, it isn't eternal

Sarah said it can live centuries without power, burying it would not have killed it, topsiders would have found it but that time.

>She seems kind of like a wonderfully good, perfectly kind-hearted, wondrously naive cinnamon roll whose character will never be besmirched.

you seem upset.

>>84600744
I think you are underestimating Aaron, I'm sure that he knows that the last thing that the comic needs is another mary sue

>>84600860
>by*

>>84600425
I'll bet it doesn't blank the soul, though. Probably just shoves most stuff into the metaphysical drawer marked "previous incarnations".

>>84600744
>She seems kind of like a wonderfully good, perfectly kind-hearted, wondrously naive cinnamon roll whose character will never be besmirched

everything wrong with her right here. We yelled at Aaron to tone down Marx, but he has to put all that SOMEWHERE so he can put his best efforts into the rest of the comic.

>>84600986
So in another words...it erases your memorie?

>>84601012

To be fair, that description kind of fit Holly, before her breakdown after the milk trial.

I don't think anything similar will happen ti Kirbee's character, though. I can see bad things happening to or because of her, but I'll bet her special snowflakeness will remain intact.

>>84601012

please... the character literally hasn't had a chance to develop, we barely meet her in unity and then the story focused almost completely on holly and her issues. I think is really stupid to claim that she's perfect and unbreakable, we literally know nothing about her so far other than her personality and that she used to smoke pot.

>>84601148
What? No. Even before the Milk Trial Holly sounded like she had seen some shit.

>>84601068
... yes? Just not completely (because the comic seems to operate on a soul/mind duality thing), and obviously sometimes it glitches and you get stuff like Petey remembering "Blackie", which would be functionally equivalent to recalling stuff from past lives.

>>84600597
>REEEEEEEEEEEEE
That's what frogs do, not lizards.

>>84601148
yes and no. She was mouthing off to doc and she seemed to have a bit of cheek. kirbee would NEVER talk back.

>>84601242
Yeah, but her personality was basically "kind woman that wants to help everyone and can do not wrong" and that was kind of boring and lame in comparation with the other personalities...

>>84601295
>kind woman that wants to help everyone and can do not wrong

there are come people who still believe this though.

what the fuck?

>>84601338 was meant for >>84601307

>>84601338
also,

>some*

it's 1 am...

>>84601338
12 words sum up kirbee entirely as she is right now, sadly.

pre-"chase me " holly too, except she shows her stubbornness early on and by then she is already with wally.

>>84601307
>kind woman
Impulsive woman.

>that wants to help everyone
Only after getting attached to them.

>and can do not wrong
She was bossy, a loud-mouth and, again, impulsive.

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>>84601458
>Only after getting attached to them.

i disagree with this one though, she did help Linda not by getting attached to her... although he first reaction to being asked to help her was a bit odd.

>>84601338
>there are come people who still believe this though
The point is that Kirbee is what Holly used to be before her character got more deeper

>>84601458
You can't denial that this was how she was described in the early arcs

>>84601458

But like, did you always feel that way about Holly, or only after her post-Unity character developments?

>>84601545
>The point is that Kirbee is what Holly used to be before her character got more deeper

exactly, Kirbee's character obviously hasn't developed beyond the lovable ditz since she hasn't gotten dedicated screen time... claiming she's unbreakable and Aaron's new mary sue, is completely ridiculous.

>>84601538
> although he first reaction to being asked to help her was a bit odd.
Well, Linda tried to extract her brain to use it in a machine, the only reason why she accepted was because they ask her plus, it was all part of the plan

>>84601538
By attached I mean obsessed, which is clearly shown in that strip.

Honestly, how did so many of you not realize that she's obsessive before and claim it's something new now?

>>84601545
>You can't denial that this was how she was described in the early arcs
By who? All I see is delusional waifufags disappointed that she's not as perfect as they wanted.

>>84601709

This is gettin' mighty baity, old bean.

>>84601661

i don't mean odd as in throwing a tantrum, i understand that, i would be pissed if i was asked to help some one who tried to kill me, it's her acceptance to help her and take responsibility (that is honestly not hers) even if it kills her, is definitely a red flag.

>>84601709

look what >>84601545 means is that holly was perceived as kind, helpful, and unbreakable, however he's not saying that's what she actually is.

calm down, i have to agree with >>84601769 , you are coming off as bait desu.

>>84601634
>claiming she's unbreakable and Aaron's new mary sue, is completely ridiculous.
Ha, that place will always belong to Marx, call it now the final will have a long explication of why he did nothing wrong.

>>84601679
>Honestly, how did so many of you not realize that she's obsessive before and claim it's something new now?
You always knowed? Because early in the story it just seemed that she wanted to help the community she was part of.

>>84601709
What? But that how she was seen before: a kind woman who tries to help her community

>>84601769
>>84601888
>>84601915
I'm being honest, Holly seemed bonkers since the begining (the first thing she does is harass a costumer in the café) and although the things she did with Wally were pretty sweet and heartwarmingt it shouldn't have distracted you from the red flags unless you had rose-tined glasses on.

Am I the only one who never waifu'd her at one point?

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>>84601808
because part of the Holly Hollister she has decided to be does not give up on anyone

>>84601977
>the first thing she does is harass a costumer in the café

sounds like you are just grasping at straws now, trying to smear her.

Why?

>>84602001
I'M. BEING. HONEST.

What's wrong with you people? Why do you believe it's impossible for anyone to think like this without trolling?

>>84601808
Technically Linda was her responsibility since she was part of the party that brought her to Endtown, plus she was already there and her surffering from schism syndrome would have been a problem for everyone.

>>84601977
>the first thing she does is harass a costumer in the café
Now you're either baiting or you never really read the comic because that never happened

>>84602001

Are you seriously telling me that you couldn't tell she was suffering from a traumatic miscarriage from the way she was buggin' Lou about his catnip? Do you even read comics?

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>>84602001
>>84602118
Wait, you're right, I remembered wrong.

I recalled that she got sassy with Wally after indirectly insulting her height. It looked like she was about to but then she just reserved her comments.

>>84602136
No need to be like that, you can tell a person has a problem with something by their attitude even if you can't tell what.

>>84602136
Yeah, it was even more obvious when she looks angry at Wally for calling her a midget that she was having flashback about her baby

>>84588260
> someone saved my edit down to the filename

neat

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>>84602136
>>84602237
now that you mention it, it was pretty clear from the start that this whole scene was an allegory for her chase with the buddy bombs while wearing menstrual blood-soaked rags! Look, you can see the gleam of horror in here eyes!

>>84602237
>>84602298
You guys are morons.

>>84601977
>Am I the only one who never waifu'd her at one point?

i never waifu'd holly, i'm a linda / kirbee fag, but that doesn't mean i am or have to be completely biased against her, i try to be as impartial as i can, i do agree that holly is completely crazy and that most of her actions are completely obsessive, hell i argued with some anon for hours on the last thread about this same issue. However, although the clues were there, i did perceived her as a kind and truly helpful person like anons are claiming, it was later when we found out she was broken that all the pieces fell in their place.

>>84602118

>Technically Linda was her responsibility

but that's not true, also Linda completed her orientation just fine and was deemed fit to live in endtown. She claims to be responsible only because they asked her for help... look at the strip, it was a completely impulsive decision she is taking,

>>84602209
>you can tell a person has a problem with something by their attitude even if you can't tell what.
Are you implying that this page shows how she had a problem by that way she talks to Wally?

>>84602324
>i did perceived her as a kind and truly helpful person like anons are claiming
Me too, and she was. But claiming that she was supposed to come off as perfect is delusional.

>>84602371
>But claiming that she was supposed to come off as perfect is delusional.

but no one is though, i don't know where are you getting this. if anything there are anons claiming kirbee to be perfect, which is complete nonsense.

>>84602401
does she have any faults besides being a ditz?

>>84602423

see >>84601179

>>84602370
Not that page but her obsessive behavior, her outbursts and /she herself saying that she had a troubled past/ do hint about her having some baggage. It's not my fault if you people don't want to see it that way.

If I was truly wanting to call her crazy over anything I'd say something dumb like "she buried her head in cheese which is crazy".

>>84602468
so basically "no faults until further notice"

huh.

>>84602468

I dunno, she's been around for like a year and a half, and if anything, she's only become more idealized in the comic. I'll wait and see, though.

>>84602556

yep, just like holly.

>>84602577

she has, but the arc has been completely focused on holly for probably 75% of that time.

>>84602556
>>84602577
Her first major fault is "wanting to help others", and her second is "being naive and innocent"

>>84602324
>hell i argued with some anon for hours on the last thread about this same issue.
So it was you, eh? It was a nice discussion tho. Being honest I don't know if I'm waifu'd Holly, I really like her but then I like all the characters of this comic (yes, even Marx but in a much lesser degree) I know she is crazy but I won't going to the point to call all her actions "obssesive" or "impulsive" because for me the Holly that we originally meet was a woman who tried as hard as she could pay for all the mistakes she had done in her past life being useful in her new community.

>>84602641
>So it was you, eh? It was a nice discussion tho.

it was good, it's nice to discuss characters without falling into bait and waifufaggot territory, too bad i can't say the same for this thread.

believe me when i say i am as impartial as i can be, i did honestly though when i first saw holly, that she was genuinely helpful and a nice person, i don't deny she's great, but i do question her motives now that we know how broken she really is.

>>84602641
>the Holly that we originally meet was a woman who tried as hard as she could pay for all the mistakes she had done in her past life being useful in her new community
But you couldn't know that back then. Again, you didn't need to know her backstory to see that she had some hidden issues unless that you -didn't- want to see it.

>>84602712
>too bad i can't say the same for this thread.
Nah, they were worse
I'm really trying to be impartial as well, I know that Holly did things wrong but I also see that she tried to fix those mistakes in Endtown, I won't ignore the fact that she helped people despite her questionable actions, after all Aaron already said it "this is as subjective as it can get" maybe you and me will never get along but it's good to discuss this points.

>>84602762
>Again, you didn't need to know her backstory to see that she had some hidden issues unless that you -didn't- want to see it.
I know, I always had my suspicions about her when I read the comic for first time, but it wasn't enough to me to call her crazy of obssesive.

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>>84602978
>crazy of obssesive
>or*
WHY IT ALWAYS HAPPENS HERE?!

>>84602978
>I won't ignore the fact that she helped people despite her questionable actions

well absolutely, i never denied she did in fact ended up helping people like Linda, and Wally during the topside mission, what i always questioned is the true nature of her actions. if anything, those impulsive decisions have worked in her favor, she wouldn't have sneaked into wally's backpack and helped him fight the mutts if she was completely sane, chances are they wouldn't have dated if that was the case.

>>84603113
>chances are they wouldn't have dated if that was the case.
Well, like a have told you in the last thread, I do believe that she got attached to Wally because he defend her in the cafe but we already talk about that.

>>84603205
Not really, she was okay with him getting arrested. It wasn't until she saw him in a sorry state that she sticked around.

>>84603245
>she was okay with him getting arrested

wally never got arrested though?

>>84603245
>Not really, she was okay with him getting arrested
Duh, they were doing a fucking mess, and in any moment she says she wanted them arrested she just wanted to stop,

>It wasn't until she saw him in a sorry state that she sticked around.
What you want her to do, leave the man the defend her alone lying in the street?

>>84603272
She called the police. Do the math.

>>84603293
The point is that she thought nothing of him defending her at the café, probably because he became a problem too soon after that for her to register it.

>>84601977
>first thing she does is harass a costumer in the café

Well, he was snorting catnip off a place mat.

But arguing that she is crazy isn't much of a case. Everyone is crazy in this book. Wally has alternating layers of PTSD and depression, Kirbee isn't phased that she deals with more crimes against humanity then she's been laid, bunny Hitler and furry race wars, security chiefs with kamikaze fetishes, cow women with milking fetishes. All the characters are crazy.

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>>84603450
>She called the police. Do the math.

i assumed she just wanted them to stop, not throw him in jail.

>The point is that she thought nothing of him defending her at the café

well, she did after she brought him into the hospital.

>>84603569

Allie really turned off on Wally, huh?

>>84603569
That was unnecessary, your first post still made sense.

>>84603593

i forgot to quote the second sentence, oh well.

>>84603587
She got over it in the end. Emphasis on 'end'.

>>84603512

Yeah, i don't get the 'now we know she was just obsessive' thing either. Like, having greif and trauma doesn't turn you into an automaton with no control over your actions. Holly chose to build herself into a relentlessly helpful person as a response to it, which is more than I'd be able to do under those circumstances.

>>84603663
She was kind AND obsessive.

>>84603663

>i don't get the 'now we know she was just obsessive' thing either. Like, having greif and trauma doesn't turn you into an automaton with no control over your actions.

but she did develop an overprotective demeanor, that's fact, the Clive episode is proof of this, it just became incredibly obvious when she finally broke down.

>>84603743

also, this disorder i believe is strictly linked to the loss of her child, that's why she literally calls Clive her baby and why she looks after Wally as a child.

>>84603743

Yeah, she was explicitly having a breakdown with the Clive shit, she said so herself. Otherwise, her overprotectiveness is kind of understandable, like when she wanted to spare the mutant child that Flask killed.

There aren't a lot of characters in this comic who *haven't* acted obsessively about something. Al and Gustine (especially Gustine), Wally, first about being a loner, and later about Holly...

>>84603846


>There aren't a lot of characters in this comic who *haven't* acted obsessively about something.

true, all the characters have been and seen shit, hell, gustine was about to schism and is why she decided to go on that mission, however i haven't seen any character act as irrationally as holly does in my opinion... besides flask of course, wanting to kill all the topsiders but that was a different case.


>warned for >>84594924

what a fucking joke

>>84603790

I can see a connection with Clive, but she really never infantalizes Wally during their relationship. And i know comics tend to work on pop psychology rules, but that's not really the way parental grief typically finds expression.

>>84603937
I've been warned for being -rude- on /vg/.

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>>84603943
>but she really never infantalizes Wally during their relationship.

not exactly, but like i have been saying, her initial attachment i honestly believe was driven by this disorder she developed due to the loss of her child...

>>84603987
>I've been warned for being -rude- on /vg/

>mfw

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>This thread right now
Sometimes I feel like you guys will argue over anything

>>84604441

at least we are discussing the comic while being civilized... would you rather see us insulting each other's waifus?

oh, and the trash thread is still up... just saying.

>>>/trash/4076212

>>84604441
Oh well, sorry for discussing the comic then

>>84603790
>that's why she literally calls Clive her baby
This is not true she never calls him "my baby" directly, that scream could just have been a little flashback she had caused by being almost ko'd by the Kirbee's slap.

>>84604621

i'm pretty sure that "i lost my baby" is referring to the loss of clive, not the fish... still, even if she was not referring to clive directly, it could have been the realization of having lost clive after the slap what triggered her flashback, not the slap itself.

>>84588234

Wait, did that tiger guy appear before in the comic?

>>84594015
It's just a bunny.

>>84589075

That sounds cool.

>>84593844

Bigger question is why does he kiss that golf club sometimes.

>>84594897
It's... It's official art?

>>84599103
holly was right to consider him a person.

But he was still a shinning beacon of a target for the top sider. There was simply no way to save him.

The decision to save him or not was non-existent.

The only choice that was there was whether or not they wanted to die with him.

>>84606012
Yup. Probably a taster of the kind of stuff that'll be in the pinup calendar.

>>84606126
Its in time like this that I am glad to not be ashamed at all to be a furry.

>>84606145

feel free to drop by the trash thread any time

>>84591022
>filename

I had my latest BSOD a couple of months ago. The ride never ends with uncle Microsoft.

>>84594953
Should cut to a black screen with the word "Hideo" in neon green at the corner.

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>>84591538

>>84605617
Yes, he tried to steal Wally's stuff and eat Holly.

>>84607697

that tiger looks nothing like cliff

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>>84608516
Wally doesn't look exactly like his original design either.

>>84608643

he's not the only tiger in the world. also, wally's design got improved over the years, Ed's design didn't change, don't see why cliff's design would change this dramatically...

>>84608786
Ed got bigger and his hair is more prominent.

>>84608898

it's literally the first close up we got from him after literally 6 years, besides, you can still tell it's him... the tiger looks NOTHING like cliff.

>>84608932
This. Plus, he looks about as tall as Wally.

>>84608932
If he looks -nothing- like Cliff then why do people think he's Cliff?

>>84609778
Because he's a tiger

>>84609778

only two people are claiming this just because he's a tiger.

>>84607697

Y'all some racist tiger stereotyping motherfuckers.

>>84589799
How else do you explain the crazed raccoon knowing all that shit he was talking about? Highly doubt Holy would have shared that info with topsiders.

>>84610110
That was Eye talking, not Jim.

>>84609778
people genuinely thought that Duck Buscemi was Mallard

people claimed unironically that Sarah had done nothing wrong

people are fucking dumb.

>>84594897
>>84594950
>>84594873
>>84594133
forget her hair color, her neck length is all over the place

>>84610279

that goes for all the lizards, i ended up assuming that they can stretch it at will

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>>84610260
>people claimed unironically that Sarah had done nothing wrong

But it's true.

>>84610260
>people genuinely thought that Duck Buscemi was Mallard

this was probably one of the most retarded things i have seen in this thread... it was so fucking obvious it was not him, yet people would argue and come up with some stupid theories about how he could have ended half his size and shit like that.

>>84610260
>people claimed unironically that Sarah had done nothing wrong
Tough life, tough world.
Shit requires tough methods to survive.

>>84610965
I don't know, I think that time with the talking genitalia was even more retarded than that.

>>84611109

talking genitalia was a joke though, people genuinely though that ferris was mallard.

>>84611138
The Ferris is Mallard thing was absolutely retarded. You should feel ashamed if you thought it was true

>>84611274

i know, that's what i'm saying...

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>>84610897
>But it's true.

>backstabbed the man who risked his life to save hers
>cheated on him with literally the first lizard she came into contact with her
>didnt care in the slightest when her lover got gassed to death
>plotted to dethrone the current unity leaders with piotr
>framed innocent people for the destruction of the colony
>left the people who helped her cure her cancer to die at the hands of topsiders
>backstabbed the lizard she plotted with when her plain failed.


She's alright.

>>84613129
She was certainly a cold-blooded gal.

>>84613201
Getting tired of your shit Carlos

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>>84613201
Gettin' tired of your shit, Carlos.

>>84613129

i'd still fuck her, though.

>>84613673
Everyone it's pretty fuckable in this comic, with exception of Marx o'course

>>84613797

>gustine
>al

>fuckable

>>84613797
somebody wants to
>>>/trash/4135987

>>84614214

farx is a rare exception

>>84613825
What's wrong with Al? He is hot nerdy.

>>84610897
>>84613129

That was before she pulled a Hillary.

>>84610279

Yeah, Aaron hasn't commented on the telescoping neck.

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>>84603663
>>84603701
>>84603743

I suppose the logic is that if she kept focusing on the now and other people she reflect on how her husband is dead, baby stillborn, she accidentally killed her friend, and months before all that she was riding Lyn's ass so she wasn't even happy with him at the time.

Another thought was that she was trying to be an extrovert as she probably thought Lyn would have wanted.

In either case Marx locking her up disillusioned her about the idea and she went back to square one: Her loved ones are dead and it's her fault. I'm sure Aaron will throw in something about embracing her inner mouse as well.

>>84615413
Hopefully by "embracing her inner mouse", Aaron means accepting that her old life and body are gone now
that and one of her fingers because cartoon laws dictate that four fingers are easier to draw than five
how do mutants flip people off without a middle finger, anyways?

>>84616281
>Not wanting dominance facehumping
Fucking pleb

>>84616281
>how do mutants flip people off without a middle finger, anyways?
Flip people the Vs, like people from commonwealth countries do.

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Allie is best waifu, Prove me wrong.

>ib4 she's dead huur

>>84618643
It's comin' up
It's comin' up
It's comin' up
It's DARE

>>84618643
I just want her to be happy.

>>84618643
she's an angry drunk

you know any angry drunks IRL?

>>84618643
But anon my waifu is best that your waifu because she's my waifu

>>84618722
Does Allie jump back and forth and feel like she was there herself?

>>84594133

I would totally slam my cock in linda'a koala cooch

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>>84619013

i would keep her sober by fucking her properly and making her happy.

>>84618643
You are not right.

There.

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>>84620670

nice proof faggot

>>84618643
Proof: Best waifus are based on opinion and therefore are neither right or wrong, just popular and unpopular.

>>84620775

>Best waifus are based on opinion and therefore are neither right or wrong

flask is kinda popular, for some reason would say that she's a good waifu regardless of her being a dumb psychopath who fucked everything up?

>>84620940
popular=/=good

>>84620940
Flask gets away with it because she didn't really hurt anyone important.

Whereas people get all defensive over Jim when it comes to Sarah.

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>>84618643

>>84622948

best waifus, i don't care if they are not very popular.

also, Thanks pen anon! that's a really cute pic!

>>84622948
>And then I told him: "No, your waifu is shit"

>>84623090
>i don't care if they are not very popular.
Don't worry, Dottie popularity will increase once that she appears in the next arc

>>84616281
>how do mutants flip people off without a middle finger, anyways?

They use their index finger. This comic flips birds all over the place without people noticing.

>>84623197

i can't wait, she's adorable.

>>84623213
>They use their index finger.
Middle finger technically, since mutants have only 4 fingers now

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>>84623485

they are wonderful

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Requesting more waifus in the dressing room

>>84624295
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOT

>>84624326

i thought i uploaded the wrong file for a second

>>84624295
>thumbnail
Endtown pages are gettign weirder

>>84624369
>Wally Wallechinski vs The World

>Wally is Scott
>Holly is Ramona
>Kirbee is Knives

>>84624295
i never noticed but, that lizard officer has nice legs.

>>84626418
You were obviosly distracted by the under-dressed Linda.

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>>84600767
Bullying

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>>84624295
I started a comic with the porcupine I drew earlier trying on clothes that I never finished. I'll finish it tomorrow, but in the meantime tell me what outfits you'd like to see

>>84626632
What about a slutty outfit? I don't know surprise me

>>84626632
What's the point? It'll all be torn to shreds.

>>84626632

a nurse uniform, a one piece swimsuit and finally a sexy slutty teacher outfit.

>>84626876
Nice

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This strip really gets to me.

>>84627078

you just posted a strip in the poppy thread, didn't you?

>>84627108
At least one other anon uses the same filename format but yes that was me, what about it?

>>84627078
No music
No Bert

>>84627158

curious, that's all...

i personally would never post anything endtown related or post at all in a poppy thread since they are a bit zealous, specially since morbi has apparently been harassed by some people claiming how much better endtown, he seems to be pretty pissed about that.

>>84627240

>endtown is*

>>84627240
He's never posted anything about Endtown harassment in his blogs before, I assume he's just upset that Endtown gets mentioned a lot in the Poppy thread and that people make comparisons.

>>84627418

it was in his twitter, some one posted a screencap and he sounded pretty upset.

>>84627443
I know, my point is that he's never mentioned this before in his ask blogs even though he loves to post all the questions that interest/offend him.

I think what did it is that in a recent thread some people outright said that Aaron was a better artist than him. He must have been lurking because the twitter posts came soon after.

>>84627637

i see, i still think it was someone trying to start shit, i don't see why anyone would honestly go to a poppy just to claim outright that endtown or any other comic is better in any way.

>>84627759
If you've ever been in Poppy threads, half the time they're filled with people who are frothing with hate for Morbi yet still feel the need to read every single comic update he makes.