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Grevious and Dooku will never hold you - Edition

>SPECIAL EVENT:
Star Wars Celebration Europe: July 15 - 17

>Upcoming Releases:
http://www.swbooks.net/updates/release-2016.htm

>Out This Week:
LEGO Star Wars: The Freemaker Adventures - Episode 6
Aftermath: Life Debt

>Star Wars Canon Guide:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1t1KovH_1GYLDTAe3yrleeWiuzwulm670o_anQqr5Rcg/pubhtml

>Download links: (Check here for new Rebels Episodes + Books, Comics, Films, etc)
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>The Clone Wars Legacy Content:
http://www.starwars.com/tv-shows/the-clone-wars-legacy
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Any more news on the Ahsoka novel??
It's title perhaps.
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>>84374462
We won't find anything out until Celebration.
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So about that CGI :^)
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>>84374462
Pretty sure it's just called Ahsoka
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>>84374520
Don't you even
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I can't find an answer online anywhere....

Will Del Rey publish all the old canon books as Legends in paperback??

Or will they just release the popular ones?

I currently have 51 Legends paperbacks, only know of 4 others published with Legends banner

Only 50 something out of 153 novels have been published with the Legends banner so far
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>>84374520
SHUTUP!
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>>84374665
You're better off asking that question to Del Rey themselves. I'm sure their social media manager would welcome a question that isn't the Legends/Canon autism they receive en masse every day.
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>>84374520
Cant we post about, like, story and stuff. Like Anakin for example. Why did he blame Ahsoka for leaving him? He seemed cool initially?
Star wars is cool and interesting
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>>84375090
In my head I think Ahsoka leaving was what first planted the seeds of 'fuck the Jedi, I need to leave the order' in Anakin's head. I think he was pissed off at her because he was trying to rationalize the Jedi's decision to kick her out as much as possible to the point where he was forcing it. He probably realized this at some point in RotS and started wishing that he had left with Ahsoka. Then by the time of Rebels he's probably pissed off at her because she could have easily absolutely destroyed the credibility of the Jedi because of what they did to her and helped him see the Jedi for what they truly were and ran away with him and Padme, but she didn't and instead of having a nice life with all 3 of them living in the woods of Naboo or something it was too late for that so Padme died, some Jedi survived, and Vader now had to wear a shitty black suit for the rest of his life.
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You must integrate Superman, Lois, and their son into the Star Wars universe, go
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>>84375732
Throw them into Marty Stu ville where they belong
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>>84375732
Have them on Alderaan when the Death Star blew it up. The end.
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>>84375177
I think her leaving was the second and propably the biggest crack in his faith in the order, the first being when Obi-Wan and the council did that whole counter conspiracy thing, he seemed really hurt. But I wonder if Ahsoka not leaving would have helped in the end and keep him from turning or if she had said something like "dude I know about you and padamame or whatever, stop hididing behind your finger and man up" would have pushed him to leave too. Although given many of his reaction I think his fall would have been inevitable. He was waaayy to jealous and attached. I would really like a what if type of comic/novel/whatever, there was a good one posted here a while before
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>>84375854
>that pic
>the Star Wars sitcom we'll never get
>feelsbadman.jpg
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>>84374520
>>84374551
>>84374804

I don't get it. Can somebody explain?
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>>84375854
It's implied throughout the series that Anakin never really takes being a Jedi seriously anyway. When he's in the citadel with Tarkin, he starts talking about how he never really appreciated the ways that the Jedi solved problems.

Also, he obviously doesn't care about the Jedi rules that much considering he and Padme are together for his whole career as a Jedi knight. His idea of having fun is spending time with Padme AWAY from the Republic and the Jedi order.

He's never liked the Order or had any motivation to stay with it. If he hadn't been Sheeved, I honestly believe that he would've just left the Jedi order after the Clone Wars so he could take care of his kids. The only reason he went full genocide was because Palpatine took all those feelings of distrust and subliminal hate and concentrated it by tempting Anakin with the only power he would ever truly value: the ability to retain his attachments forever.

Looking back on what I wrote, it's kind of all over the place but the main point is that Anakin never liked the order all through the Clone Wars and the council's bad decisions only made Sheev's brainwashing easier
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>>84376366
There was a huge """"discussion"""" about CGI in the last thread
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Why is Mango butt the best butt?
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>>84376628
Because they lift weighs.
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>>84376652
You mean squats?
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>>84376541
>>84375854
Why not just make his own order? With Twileks and sabbac!

I imagine a good number of people would join to follow a big war hero like him, or escape the weird council shit.
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>>84376730
Exactly. Deadlift, squat, bench press.
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Made some Grievous webms
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>>84376871
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>>84376871
Grievous is best cyborg
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>>84376882
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>>84376541
He's always taken the role seriously, the problem is he agrees with the spirit of the Jedi Order, but not always with its methods. There's a huge difference between that and "oh, he doesn't follow the rules, that must mean he doesn't really care about the Jedi Order."
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>>84376899

>>84376890
This is the truth
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>>84375732
Luke and Ben Solo visit a planet as part of Ben's training, where they discover that the planet is protected by a "super" being that seems impervious to all damage and has kept the planet safe from the Confederacy, Empire, Hutts, and everything else that might hurt it.

The people have come to rely on this being and no longer believe in things like the Force because the "Super Man" doesn't use it so what good is it?

Luke and Ben eventually discover that the Super Man has a cover identity and has been trying to live normally with his wife (who creates holovids about events in the city) and their son, who is manifesting powers like his father.

Ben becomes fascinated by this power and blows the lid off of the fact that he and Luke know about the Super Man's cover identity when he asks point blank why the man doesn't help other places in the galaxy. The Man reveals that he is only strong in this particular solar system due to the chemical make-up of the sun, and he wouldn't survive travel to other systems (as far as he can tell).

Luke turns this into a lesson about how all power has its limits, but Ben sees it more as an act of cowardice on the part of the Super Man that he doesn't try other ways to make his powers help those that could have really used it over the last fifty years...such as the people of Alderaan.
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>>84376541
I won't argue that Sheev was a master planner but holy shit was the dude lucky. I mean that whole Ahsoka trial shit, he must have been very confused, in a "This is not my doing,what the hell guys" way. I get that the order was fucked bc of war 'n stuff but having the padawan of his pet project being accued and all that shit following? He must have been trying waaaayy too hard not to start cackling sheevously during the trial.
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>>84376918
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>>84376871
I don't think a Jedi could dodge 100 blaster shots simultaneously
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>>84376948
Last one for now, I'll be back with more later, have to go run some errands
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>>84376871
>>84376882
>>84376899
>>84376918
>>84376948
>>84376985
>tfw we will never get anything like this ins Star Wars again
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>>84376950
Obi-Wan was pretty good at form III by that point, a form designed around the idea of blocking a billion blaster bolts and surviving.
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>>84377000
100% CGI characters with the personality of a saturday morning cartoon villain, written by a hack?

Good. I mean, I love Grievous but Episode 3 was such a disservice to him.
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>>84377081
>written by a hack

(You)
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>>84377118
george go to sleep
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>>84377118
>taking the bait
Stupid
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>>84376541
>Anakin never really takes being a Jedi seriously anyway
You couldn't be further from the truth. anakin believe it or not is actually in the right like Qui-Gon was. The Jedi Order dogmatically clinged to their traditions and codes instead of moving forward and advancing. He was at odds because the Jedi were being retarded during the Clone wars.

>>84374520
That was a pretty good discussion. Look at movie technology from 100 years ago to now. We've come a long way from men in rubber suits to computer generated animals of fantastic designs.
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>>84377081
>100% CGI characters with the personality of a saturday morning cartoon villain, written by a hack?

You mean Snoke?
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>>84376918
It's really satisfying to see obi-Wan finally put him down in EP3 after watching TCW for so long.
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>>84377249
>fantastic designs
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>>84377256
They should have gotten someone different than Serkis to do Snoke. Not that anyone else is on Serkis' level, but just that half of the animations were just Gollum again.
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>>84376985
>>84376948
>>84376918
>>84376899
>>84376882
>>84376871

Possibly the shittiest villain to ever appear in /sw/. He may also quite literally be retarded.
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>>84377461
That's not Phasma though.
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>>84377522
Phasma was barely a villain. She had what, 2 minutes of screentime and was barely part of the plot.
Also not retarded. Not that we know of anyway, Grievances is literally retarded.
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>>84377550
>Grievances is literally retarded
For (You)
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>>84377578
Are you actually telling me he isn't?
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>>84377550
>Also not retarded.
Phasma shut down the shield generator because they told her to. This is literally the only thing she actually does.
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>>84377620
At gunpoint. And she is barely part of the plot, had it not been for the marketing machine she would have not even been worth a mention.
Greyvans is still a fucking retard.
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>>84377461
Grievous is pretty awful, but FB and SS aren't better. They're all a bunch of jobbers. At least Dooku managed to be decent in TCW, but then he died like a jobber in ROTS.
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>>84377620
That doesn't make her retarded, that makes her someone scared for her life...which really doesn't fit in with what the bad ass stormtrooper leader should do.
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>>84377651
I don't know, he beat Obi-Wan pretty well in ROTS.
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>>84377620
What I don't get is how nobody else at Starkiller Base could see that the shield is down and just turn it back up. Was the random console they led Phasma to the only one that could control the shield?
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>>84377651
Dooku was dead on arrival due to his stupid name. Besides Sheev, the prequel trilogy is rife with absolutely shit villains. Well, shit characters in general, but the villains were just awful.

Who are FB and SS?
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>people keep feeding the same shit troll that was here yesterday
For fuck's sake people
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>>84377692
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>>84377690
I would have been fine with the lines
>Our shields our down sir
>Get them back online
>that will take 250 seconds, sir
>...shit
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>>84377684

Looking at their fights, even in The Clone Wars, they were pretty much neck-and-neck in terms of skill. All it took was a bit of luck(and plot armor) for one of them to be the victor.
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>>84377690
Maybe it takes some time to recharge? I wont argue it was a bit retarded. Although it might have been less so if they hadnt hyped her up to be the ultimate badass nu-fett
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>>84376985
>>84376948
>>84376918
>>84376899
>>84376882
>>84376871
>Grevious' fight was hindered because of CG vs non CG
Wonder how different the fight would've been if George CG'd Obi Wan at parts during the fight
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>>84377692
You mean like Grand Moff "Fuck evacuation, there's no way we can lose" Tarkin?

Or Boba "BTFO'd by a blind guy" Fett?

Or Darth "I get pushed around by old guys in nazi suits until the next movie where I inexplicably change my entire personality" Vader?
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>>84377606
No, I'm saying your bait is weak. Put some effort into your trolling technique. Don't use words like literally or misspell the character your criticizing.
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>>84377780
I wonder how different it would have been if Obi Wan fought some dude and not a CGI thing. CGI vs actor looks like fucking shit.
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>>84377692
>>84377726

Makes sense for them to kinda suck, at this point they exist either to terrify non-force sensitive rebels, identify other force sensitives, and maybe slow them down until vader joins in. Also I Sheev wouldnt tolerate having properly trained dark side users runing around.
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>>84377051
Oh it's one of those non-anwers that get explained in the supplemental material published after the fact
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>>84377725
Good trolls and bad trolls are good practice for taking our star Wars skills to the real world of YouTube and Wookipedia.. It's good to use the knowledge we have here to handily assrape /tv/ trolls with star wars logic, anon
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>>84377753
>Although it might have been less so if they hadnt hyped her up to be the ultimate badass nu-fett
I like that they're still making Phasma merchandise, too. The funny part is that it's still selling because cool armor trumps however little role she had in the story. I mean, we've known that for ages thanks to Boba, but this sets a new precedent as far as the "amount of shit actually done"/"how much merch is out there" ratio.
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>>84377797
Boba Fett was not a villain, he was a minion of Jabba's. And a shit one at that.

And now you are actually comparing Darth Vader and Tarkin with who... fuckin' Doku(Jesus, what a shit name) and Cowardly Chink Man Frog? Are you being serious?
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>>84377820
>it's good that the villains suck
Jesus Christ.

>>84377850
She is more significant than Bobba. By a centimeter.
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>>84377888
>She is more significant than Bobba.
Sorry, who is Bobba again?
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>>84377860
I saw no comparison, just him agreeing that Star Wars has shit villains in general
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>>84377888
>Bobba
You're not even trying anymore.
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>>84377860
>Dooku is a dumb name

>Implying Jabba isn't a dumb name
>Implying Palpatine isn't a dumb name
>Implying Obi-Wan isn't a dumb name
>Implying Dak isn't a dumb name
>Implying Biggs isn't a dumb name
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>>84377901
The guy fucking your mom.

>picking on a typo
Pathetic.
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>>84377905
Sheev and Darth Vader are shitty now?

>>84377916
They are strange, not shitty.
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>>84377888
They werent the main villains though they were just vaders mooks, a speed bump of sorts
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>>84377888
>She is more significant than Bobba
>Boba captured Han Solo
>and his crew
>turning them into a trap for Vader to lure Luke
>which is mostly responsible for the actions of the third film
>versus Phasa lowering shields

Fuck you troll

>>84377924
>picking on a typo
You keep making them for simple Star Wars names. You're terrible at trolling.
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>>84377820

That's pretty much what the show runners intended. Sidious had Vader train the Inquisition to deliberately to be weak so they couldn't pose a threat to the Sith (hence why Darth Maul is capable of fighting three of them alone with ease). They're mine canaries. They sniff out force sensitives. And if they encounter a Jedi, they call Vader assuming they haven't already bit the dust.
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>>84377924
>misspelling the name of a major Star Wars character
You have to be 18 to post here, son.
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>>84377950
I saw no one talking about Palpatine and Anakin
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>>84377888
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>>84377968
>Boba captured Han Solo
>and his crew

Actually, he didn't. Vader did. Boba just followed them. Literally everything that happened on Cloud City was Vader's work.
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>>84377118
Why is it suddenly cool to love George Lucas again? Did everyone forget how he was the laughingstock of the Internet for over a decade?
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>>84377968
Boba didn't create that trap you fool, Vader did.
Also, Han was absolutely useless by the end of Empire. Like most of the characters save for Luke, Sheev and Vader. And maybe Lando.

>You keep making them
Where? Show me where?
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>>84378014
Because even when he fails at least he fucking tried. Unlike J.J. "The Fanservice Awakens" Abrams.
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>>84378044
Tippitty toppitty kek.
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>>84378014
>Why is it suddenly cool to love George Lucas again?
For a lot of people TCW redeemed him.
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>Swallowing this much bait
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>>84378014
>Did everyone forget how he was the laughingstock of the Internet for over a decade?

Only a laughingstock to OT elitists and tryhards who couldn't decide for themselves, which made up the vocal majority. There have been plenty of people who loved George the entire time. Myself included.

But to answer your question in a manner I think you were more wanting; It's because of JJ and his warped interpretation of what he thinks Star Wars should be.
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>>84378078
>>84378069


It still baffles me how people who like the prequels can hate fucking TFA.
I mean, I get it if you like the prequels(well, kind of), but by God, hating the film that anyone who hasn't put the autism glasses on can literally see is better is fucking... I don't even know what.

>>84378074
>if he doesn't agree with me it's b8
Do you need a safe space lad?
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>>84378127
>It still baffles me how people who like the prequels can hate fucking TFA.
Sounds like a personal problem. May want to talk to your school's guidance counselor about that.
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>>84378014
Despite all his failures he created (or at least played a very major part) all of what we talk in this thread. He is a very good worldbuilder, he just sucks at directing. Also I would argue that many things the internet spergs out about might be obvious in hindsight but not during the movies creation. Also in the end no matter how his changes are hated (some by myself included) I believe he had every right to make any retroactive change if he thought it would help bring it closer to his vision.

No I am not baiting
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>>84378153
Am I on /tv/? Are you shitposting?
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>>84378074
The funny part is that this guy's clearly very young (he still thinks "I fucked your mom!" is a good burn) and is just repeating shit he's seen on the internet without any real critical thought on his own part. He's going for low-effort trolling, but it's backfiring because now he's the one getting mad that the people he's trying to troll are just laughing at him.
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>>84378174
And at screenwriting. He sucks at screenwriting.
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>>84378190
>I will claim moral superiority based on nothing whatsoever
>if he has a different opinion he must be a troll

Jesus Christ.
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>>84378240
If you were older than 15 you'd already know the "different opinion isn't trolling!" is an old tactic that never works. It's also almost always a sign that you are indeed trolling.
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>>84378262
/tv/ incarnate. Literally the same arguments that drove me out of that shithole years ago.
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>>84378127
>It still baffles me how people who like the prequels can hate fucking TFA.

I don't hate TFA, there are parts of it that I actually really liked. And those parts were the things that were new. The rest of the movie I wasn't in favor of because of it's lack of originality. And also because the movie's pacing was awful. Now I can understand that you despise the prequels, if only on account that the OT elitists exist. But you can't deny that (if you exclude the prequels) TFA is an incredibly weak Star Wars film and that the people in charge of big decision makings did this entirely some kind of agenda, for the money via OT elitists and not for the love of the project.

That's why people miss George. He may not have struck it right for everyone, but he tried to put everything he had into each aspect of the films to make them as good as they possibly could be at the time. And that's something TFA sorely lacked in abundance.
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>>84378300
Did you leave when you were twelve because someone offended your mom? lmao
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>>84378183
>starts shitposting
>get called out for it
>NO UR THE SHITPOSTER
No, you're not on /tv/ but you should head back there. They're talking about your favorite, ghostbusters 2016, pizza threads, GOT and cuck/pedo threads.
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What are the chances Lucas's VII would've been better than JJ's.
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Once again, falling for the bait.

Here we go again.
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>>84378373
Eh, 50/50. It would've at least been more original, since Lucas indicated in that interview that the nostalgia pandering they were planning was one of the things he strongly disagreed with.
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>>84378014
What reason is there to hate him?
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>>84378373
It depends. Georgie really seems to change his mind on star wars every 45 seconds. Recently he said it wasn't a space opera but a family... opera? That star wars was all about family and skywalkers.
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>>84378373
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>>84378319
>he tried to put everything he had into each aspect of the films
The making of shows us otherwise. He liked sitting down and not getting down and dirty to film again in Tunisia or the California Redwoods. Just huge greenscreens everywhere in safe sound studios. He did not give a shit about anything in the prequel trilogy besides the CGI and pushing special effects further and further. There might have been a good story there but he is not even a decent screenwriter so it all ended up being a huge clusterfuck.

Am I to assume you like the prequels more than the OT?

>>84378361
>>84378346
>shits on /tv/
>while using the same tactics
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I wouldn't mind getting Battlefront just to fly this thing
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>>84378373
Depends on what his involvement would be. If he came up with the story and let someone else write the screenplay and actually direct, I think it would've been better than what Abrams did. If he wrote and directed it himself... eh, I don't know, but either way a Lucas Episode 7 would've have been the rehash that the Abrams movie was.
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>>84378405
It's fun and it will only get worse before and after celebration. Brace yourselves, lads.
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>>84378450
>He liked sitting down and not getting down and dirty to film again in Tunisia
You realize he went to Tunisia for both Episode 1 and 2, right- wait, of course you don't, that would require research for your low-effort trolling. Got me again!
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>>84378405
>>84378464

You are actually so entrenched in this that anyone who disagrees with you must seem like a troll. You should find that horrifying.
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>>84378450
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>>84378405
Hey, at least the thread is getting activity.

>>84378490
I dont even thinking he's seen the Makin-Of's
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>>84378453
Won't new battlefront be about the sequel trilogy? I guess if they make a rogue one dlc then maybe but propably highly unlikely.
is it that much to ask for a new dogfighting game that includes space battles? I mean its star wars. STAR wars. Fucking execs and marketers with their bullshit market research trusting internet spergs
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>>84378490
Well, he actually did, fuck me, you're right.

Didn't save the movie tho.
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>>84378502
I love how he just keeps doubling down on the "I'm not a troll guys, I just have a different opinion!" thing. Even Shit Wars wasn't this stupid.
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>>84378438
>Georgie really seems to change his mind on star wars every 45 seconds
He's been revisiting this franchise for the past 30 years. It makes sense things would change especially his perspective and ideas making it. You've never revisited old works of yours and changed them because you thought your old ideas were retarded?
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>>84378532
And yet none of you even bother to argue with me. It should be fucking easy right?
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>>84378405
Didn't there used to be a pic of that scene where the stormtroopers are sweeping the dune sea for the droids, with the caption 'Look, sir: trolls"
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>>84378530
>Star Wars
>Wanting Wars in the Stars
That's not fun! What's wrong with you, anon?
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>>84378502
(You) and 0/10.

Also, have a nice day.
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>>84378450
Jesus, this again?
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>>84378014
It's thanks to JJ.
You never know what you truly have until you lose it.
George cared about the universe the same way as we do.

Had George continued doing Star Wars, he for sure would have received a bunch of more hate.
But now JJ comes around and shows us that maybe George wasn't that bad.
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>>84378530
Sadly, nobody cares about Star or Wars. They just want to be able to play with long flashy glow sticks and push you from a mile away.
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>>84378552
We are, you just keep going "B-BUT THAT'S WRONG, LUCAS IS CRAP" because you're terrible at this.
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>>84378568
Yeah, so you are.

I would love to be enlightened though, what makes the prequels good? Can somebody gimme a str8 answer or is it just going to be a chorus of "lel rebiit, /tv/, troll haha lel"?
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>>84378373
Had they done what they did with Clone Wars, he supplies ideas, plots and so on and someone else directs the stuff the movie would have been glorious.
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>>84378577
George does not give one shit about Star Wars.
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>>84378531
>Didn't save the movie tho.
According to who, you? The film(s) did extremely well.
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>>84378597
>I would love to be enlightened though, what makes the prequels good?
We already told you it's a matter of opinion, but because you're a dedicated shitposter you ignore that and just keep drumming on the usual NO PREQUELS WERE BAD YOU'RE WRONG TO LIKE THEM LUCAS IS A HACK because you are hilariously bad at this.
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>>84378615
hah
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>>84378536
>You've never revisited old works of yours and changed them because you thought your old ideas were retarded?
No, not really. But I've never created a big universe either but georgie seems me to be a little adhd in some ways. Some of the things I've heard about him makes him appear half-insane.
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>>84378617
So did Transformers, Alice in Wonderland and Fast and Furious. The merits of a film should not be based on revenue or critic reviews(see most Marvel films).
Explain to me what is good about it, I genuinely am willing to listen.
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>>84378654
>I genuinely am willing to listen.
You've proven since yesterday that you're not. Nobody's falling for it, dude.
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>this thread
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>>84378597
>"lel rebiit, /tv/, troll haha lel"?
No one outside /tv/, /v/ and /pol/ says shit like this.
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>>84378623
No one did. Literally no one. Again
>>84378654
I am willing to listen if you are willing to talk. Or you can go back to shitposting and calling me a troll.
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>>84378617
I think people forget that although not everyone spergs about Star Wars on forums and nitpicks every little think it is still one of the, if not the most economically successfull movie franchise. Its not some niche Ghanian film recorded on goat leather
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>>84378682
>Literally
You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
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>>84378531
Nor did filming on location with PRACTICAL EFFECTS make TFA feel any less hollow and underwhelming. It's not that I hate the movie, it's that after everything, I literally cannot feel much of anything for it because it has no real staying power, draw or point to digest. JJ's modus operandi of filming everything with the "good, but is this delightful?" mindset kind of killed any chance of the movie being significant and impactful to anyone other than those still slighted by the gradually depressing atmosphere of the Prequels.
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>>84378670
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>>84378667
>yesterday
>>84378672

I wasn't here yestarday. Sure, you can fucking call me a troll or we can talk. But I know you won't because there's not one discernible argument inside your little heads besides calling me a troll.


And I am again, telling you to talk instead of ad-hominem and other strawman bullshit.
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>>84378670
It's not easy being the only sane man in the room.
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>all this talk about tfa and JJ
Fuck off

everyone post your favorite EU stuff
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>>84378688
There are people who honestly believe the prequels were box office bombs. It's especially funny when they try to use box office as a measure of how good and beloved the movie is and have to be reminded that by that logic Episode 1 is the second most loved Star Wars movie.
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>>84378731
No, new canon or bust
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>>84378635
>georgie seems me to be a little adhd in some ways. Some of the things I've heard about him makes him appear half-insane.
I don't think so.

With A New Hope, he was incredibly disappointed with the technology and executive meddling. Only when he made the prequel trilogies and saw how much technology advanced did he feel the need to make modifications. He could finally recreate the worlds he imagined. The McQuarrine paintings reflect this. I understand him looking at the OT and saying "I could change this, this looks funny" and etc. It was something he was never satisfied with.

Personally, I cannot stand looking at past works of mine without excessively changing every detail because I think it looks like shit.
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>>84378718
>I wasn't here yestarday.
Yeah, nah. Same posting style, even some of the same typos, same arguing. You were here yesterday. You're not even good at pretending to be a different guy.
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>>84378731
I BID YOU DARK GREETINGS!
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>>84378670
So much fucking bait, it's astounding
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>>84378731

I loved the ARC Troopers. Thank goodness George thought highly of them too.
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>>84378731
Do they still write EU stuff?
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>>84378750
>>84378718
Would you two faggots play nice and stop shitting up the thread? Tell me your favorite star wars related thing
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>>84378731
>everyone post your favorite EU stuff
OH HI THERE
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>>84378743
Fine, post Togrutas then
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>>84378731
This track. I saw the CD at a supermarket as a kid. The next time I was there, it was gone. One of my few regrets in skipping over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM6iZvsoCJ0
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>>84378769
Nope, Canon only.

Only EU content being produced is TOR, and reprinted old books and comics with Legends banners.
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>>84378769
There are still some Old republic (from the MMO) stories I think.
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>>84378779
I love Sheev. McDiarmid has appeared in almost nothing else besides SW for more than 10 minutes, but he shows his acting chops. He's literally the best thing in the franchise. And the only really good thing about the prequels, save for sparks of humanity for McGregor.
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>>84378803
I still want to get that Bounty Hunter Code Book. I liked the rest of the books in the series.
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>>84378803
>Only EU content being produced is TOR
Which people still try to argue is TRUE and HONEST canon because it's being made after the April 2014 cutoff, and have to be reminded that Pablo and others have repeatedly said TOR isn't part of the new canon.
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>>84378731
Our true lord and savior that was taken from us.
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>>84378615
Probably not anymore now that literally everyone and their grandmother has shooed him out of anything to do with it. Or he's at least forcing himself not to care. Everyone says they want to be respectful to his vision while ignoring the fact that vision can and does change to suit different interests over time. The particulars of his vision changed but the core and fundamentals remained pretty much the same.

But people naturally naturally hate change so can't have that

Also he's too busy actually being happy with his first full family in over thirty years
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>>84378731
I like the bdsm space orcs with biotech.
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>>84378838
Even if he's not around anymore, you can still find his followers lurking in the dark corners of the internet... watching and waiting for someone to say the length of a super star destroyer so that they may pounce on them and prove them wrong with NO MERCY!
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>>84378844
I don't think he ever cared that much.
For him, SW was more like a career killer, all things considered. He never made anything other than SW as a director after that, and he didn't even direct the best SW film.

I'd still argue his best work is THX 1138, and I believe that's what he always kind of wanted to make. Only the era of that kind of SF films was kind of over by the early '80s and he killed it, ironically, with SW.
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>>84378844
Pretty sure he thinks about Star Wars every time his daughter says her first words or first steps.

Also nice double dubs.
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>>84378895
I've still yet to see THX 1138. The only thing keeping me back is my strange aversion to black and white film
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>>84378790
That's some good taste you have, friend.

https://youtu.be/YfScinxm22s
https://youtu.be/AxGTSP2tGXE
https://youtu.be/MFtlenhmhKg
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>>84378888
I just miss how overpowered he made Star Wars. It was a sense of pride to know what a light quadturbo laser could do to a planet. Now we have black science man saying the falcon would be rekt by the enterprise.
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>>84378746
>Personally, I cannot stand looking at past works of mine without excessively changing every detail because I think it looks like shit.
And what do you do exactly?
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>>84378895
He definitely experienced burnout around the time of ROTJ (the divorce certainly didn't help), but after taking a few years off and starting preliminary work on the prequels in 1995 I think he came at it with a fresh perspective and a genuine enthusiasm for it. Whether that translated into something good or bad is debatable, but I think he did start caring about Star Wars again.
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>>84378834

>Sheev
>Obi-Wan
>Wedge

Why do Scotsmen and Star Wars go so well together?
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>>84378373
Wasn't TFA's final plot pretty similar to what he pitched?
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>>84378928
>black and white

No offense, are you retarded?
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>>84378895
He cared about it but no one and even Lucas didn't expect it to do well. it became more of a hassle as time went on. he says this in multiple interviews. he wanted to keep making experimental movies and throwbacks to pulp shit like star wars and indianan jones but fans went nuts over it
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>>84378942

Thing was, he didn't want to direct the prequels until Spielberg, Kasdan, and other people told him that he should do it himself.

In hindsight I think they were afraid of fucking up and didn't want the responsibility of a bad star wars movies on their hands, but one would think they would have had a great working relationship with George.
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>>84378928
Uh... it's not in black and white
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>>84378895
>and he didn't even direct the best SW film.
But anon, Lucas directed Revenge of the Sith
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>>84378932
shitpost on /pol/ threads
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>>84376882
>>84376899
>>84376918
And so it was that EVERY SINGLE GREVIOUS FIGHT in the clone wars involved him doing the spinning thing
And he usually loses a hand or two
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>>84378964
>>84378978
I might have been referring to the original short.
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>>84378948
Not quite.

Lucas gave them an outline for 7, 8, 9, Han Solo, and another unrevealed Star Wars movie. (Not Rogue One though, that was an entirely Lucasfilm/Kathleen/Disney idea)

Apparently The Force Awakens was changed quite a bit, but the general outline is still from Lucas. Lucas wasn't too happy about some of the changes, apparently. What in particular, we may never know.
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>>84378946
Heroine.

>>84378942
The prequels were a lunching pad for movie effects. He did not give a shit about the story but he did about the effects. I wish he'd gone ahead and done something with the old characters instead anyway, while they were still in their prime.
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>>84378948
There's elements of it. Apparently the Arndt script was closer to what Lucas wanted, so I think the 'search for Luke' part was probably part of the original pitch.
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>>84378995
No you weren't.
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>>84378995
It's not black and white either.
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>>84378450
>Am I to assume you like the prequels more than the OT?

No. I like both trilogies equally.
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>>84379047
OK, gotcha. How would you rank them if you had to?

5>4>7(yeah, yeah)>6>3>1>2

>inb4 kill myself
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>>84379014
That's a shame, the search for Luke was a good idea for a story, the movie just ends up derailing it to focus on Death Star 3, then quickly wraps up the Luke plot afterward.
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>>84378948
That's what they tell you
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>>84379078

>tis' the season then
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>>84379032
>>84379040
Interesting. I swear all footage I've seen of it has been black and white but alright. That's my bad
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>>84379078
Swap 7 and 6 and that's my ranking too.
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>>84379078
5
3
4
6
7
1
2
TCW (film)
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>>84379098
The color palette is very mute indeed, so it may have something to do with that. There's almost nothing but black and white in the entire film(s).
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>>84379078
5>4>3>6>7>1>2
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While I do agree that Boba Fett is massively overrated by his fans, the one thins I don't get about his detractors is the claim that "he let Vader do all his work for him."

He was able to figure out immediately how Han Solo evaded the Star Destroyer's sensors and how he'd escape. He also managed to deduce than Han was going to Bespin, out of all planets in the galaxy, AND to Cloud City, out of all the potential settlements on Bespin. Not only that, but he was able to figure it out with enough time to report back to Vader and have both of them set up a trap for him well before he even gets there. A good hunter uses all the tools at his disposal to ensure the job is done, and his tools were fucking Darth Vader and a Star Destroyer's worth of Stormtroopers.

He also did it in such a way to benefit BOTH of his contractors, Vader and Jabba, and essentially double his reward.
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>>84378988
Don't we all
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>>84379078
Oh boy is it ranking time
5>4>3=6>7>>>>>>1>>>>>>>>>>2
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>>84379005
>He did not give a shit about the story
Wow, how wrong you are. A relatively poor execution of story doesn't necessarily indicate a deliberate lack of care for it. There's quite a good bit of care in and for the story. Just because the making of tends to showcase more of the physical and special aspects of the put into the story.
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>>84379078

TESB> RoTS> RoTJ> TPM> AoTC> ANH> TFA
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>>84379127
Personally I wish the EU had focused more on his tracking skills. He got his prize in ESB not by being a one-man army that had all kinds of weapons on him, but by outsmarting them. There's a few good stories in the EU that have Boba coming out on top because of his wits but by and large there was always this "he can shoot anyone at anytime and he kills 100000 guys at once because he has all these weapons that he can use!" idea that was just boring.
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>>84379161
He's just not that good as a screenwriter and it shows. Nor is he as good as a director. Or, maybe in the 23 years between SW and PM he just lost it.
I'd still argue his tightest(not best, that's still SW) film is THX 1138 but that's because I'm a huge fan of those types films of that era. All except 2001 if you can believe it.
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Why would anyone pay this much for Jango?

>>84379078
5>6>3>4>2>7>1

When I was a kid, my dad showed them to me 4, 5, 6, 1.
Then we went and saw 2 and 3 in theaters.
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>>84379167
>anh
>6th

GET THE FUCK OUT
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>>84379220
Maybe his head pops off or something
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>>84379186
I always took the weapons to be a sign of a paranoid nature. Like he's not actually going to use all of his shit at once, but he keeps thinking if he loses X weapon, well he can fall back on Y, and then on Z and so on.

The way he cradles his rifle also struck me as a little paranoid, like he's afraid that the moment he puts it down someone's going to try to shoot him.
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Someone care to do a Spielberg top?
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>4
>5
>6
pure shit that shouldn't be mentioned
>3
>1
>2
hell itself
>7
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>>84379220
Rarity. Jango just came out and he's particularly hard to find. A lot of the most recent Black Series releases are hard to find for two reasons:
1. distribution is crap
2. a lot of big box stores are still sitting on unsold Zuvios, Finns, Flametroopers and TIE Pilots and even if they have boxes with Jangos, Ahsokas, Kanans, etc in the back, they're not going to put them out because there isn't space out front
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>>84379220
>Why would anyone pay this much for Jango?

I would. But that's probably because he's one of my favorite characters.
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>>84378972
Thinking especially in hindsight, I don't think anything could have saved the prequels from the fan reaction. Fans were expecting a sequel to the franchise they grew up with not something completely different. it would have "failed" to fans no matter what
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I always found it funny that you've got names like Obi Wan, Anakin, Han, Jabba, Boba, etc.
And the main character and his sister are just named Luke and Leia.
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>>84379308
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>>84379307
Lucas actually discussed this shortly before Episode 1 was released. At the time it had been 16 years since the last Star Wars movie and Lucas was afraid that the hype and expectations were so ridiculously high that nothing could've lived up to them.
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>>84379259
I'll bite, since he should be the 2nd most discussed director in these threads.

1. Duel
2. Empire of the Sun
3. Minority Report
4. Last Crusade
5. Raiders of the Lost Ark
6. The Color Purple
7. Catch me if you can
8. Amistad
9. Hook
10. Temple of Doom
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>>84379232

Sorry, anon. But it's apparent dated-ness gets to me. I don't deny that it's still a great movie and I appreciate it for what it kicked off. But still, on the whole, most of the movies that came after it are better. To me at least.
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>>84379127
If I could dispute some of this;

>He was able to figure out immediately how Han Solo evaded the Star Destroyer's sensors and how he'd escape.
This, this was good. It's also literally the only good thing Boba ever does.

>He also managed to deduce than Han was going to Bespin, out of all planets in the galaxy, AND to Cloud City, out of all the potential settlements on Bespin.
Anoat Sector is a shithole and the only planet there with proper civilization is Bespin. And as far as I know, Cloud City IS the only settlement on Bespin. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

>he was able to figure it out with enough time to report back to Vader and have both of them set up a trap for him
The Empire being fast isn't really praise for Boba, but rather the Empire. He likely messaged Vader immediately after confirming which direction Solo had gone. (Also, does this confirm that the Slave I is faster than the Falcon? Boba flew it to Cloud City too, and got there before Han did)

>He also did it in such a way to benefit BOTH of his contractors, Vader and Jabba, and essentially double his reward.
I figured this was more coincidence/convenience that Boba lucked out on. Realized Vader was looking for the same guy, and cashed in on it. He knew Vader would allow him to keep Solo too, because he's done jobs for Vader in the past. (The Vader comic)

Also, Boba is lucky he didn't kill Luke in that fight.

>Hah, so this is the kid who blew up the Death Star!
>He struggled like hell, so I killed him!
>His name was Duke Skywalker or something, I don't even remember
>So, Vader, I'm getting paid double for killing him, right?
>Vader?
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>>84379342
I don't care what people say, I loved Hook
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>>84379251
The way you put it makes me think of that as a general Mando trait even though the Fetts aren't Mandos anymore.

Like I read that and Maul smashing Visla's toys one by one came right into my mind.
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>>84379381
I think even Spielberg berated it, yet I like it all the same. It featured some of the best sets I've ever seen, and the acting was God-tier.
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>>84379368
>Also, does this confirm that the Slave I is faster than the Falcon? Boba flew it to Cloud City too, and got there before Han did)
It's kind of a moot point since Slave 1 and the Empire both had the benefit of having working hyperdrives, something the Falcon didn't at the time.
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>>84379420
Shit you're right. Forgot about that.
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>>84379389
Mandos seem to be the crazy "SOUTH SHALL RISE AGAIN!" militia types of the galaxy, so that makes sense.
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>>84379368
I don't know if Cloud City is the only city on Bespin, but it is a mining colony on a gas giant whose entire atmosphere is made up of an incredibly useful gas. It'd be silly if it was the only one.
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>>84379368
>(Also, does this confirm that the Slave I is faster than the Falcon? Boba flew it to Cloud City too, and got there before Han did)

As far as I know there's nothing to say that he did arrive before the Falcon (or vice versa). Lando only says that 'they' got there before Han did. Now that could be up to how you want to intemperate, but it doesn't necessarily indicate that Boba got there with the Empire. It could mean that the Empire got there beforehand via Boba's tip, and then he caught up to them later at Cloud City. Which to me would be smart in Boba's case if in the event that the Falcon changed course and he needed to phone it in to Vader just in case.
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>>84378948
I think the only differences are that Han and Chewie already found the Rathars in TFA, Finn and Poe race swapped, Rey was Han's daughter, no Starkiller Base, and I don't think Luke was gone since the whole 'Luke Skywalker is a myth' thing started with JJ.
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>>84379472
>the most obvious b8 in /his/tory
>there are people who fell for it in the comments

Jesus Christ
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>>84379522
That's all from the Arndt script though, and we don't know how much of that was based on Lucas's treatment.
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>>84379530
Yeah, I was curious to see if there was any crits for him on youtube. Personally I think his movies are too happy. His best movie is Duel in my opinion. Maybe Third or Jaws as a close second.
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Will I get shit on ITT if I say TFA is my favorite SW film?
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>>84379594
Yes
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>>84379594
Probably.

If Palps is CIA then who's Bane?
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>>84379594
You generally get shit on for having shit taste
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>>84379576
>Personally I think his movies are too happy
There's a certain sentimentality to them, yeah. Sometimes it works, sometimes it's just sappy (personally I wish he'd knock it off with the "bad father" thing, I get why he does it and it's worked well in a lot of his movies but he brings it up so constantly that it's become a cliche).

I think that's why AI didn't work. It was Spielberg picking up the pieces of a project by someone whose tone and style is very different from his own. You can see him trying to things that Kubrick would do but he's clearly outside his comfort zone.
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>>84379576
Well I'm >>84379342 and I agree 100%, Duel is one of the best chase films and one of the best films in the 70's. You could cut the tension with a knife in some scenes.

I'm not a big fan of 3rd and I don't like Jaws at all believe it or not.
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>>84379232
I've watched ANH so much at this point and it's so dated that I probably wouldn't even put it in my top three.
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>>84377905

Palpatine, Vader, Jabba, Maul and Kylo Ren are all great villains.
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>>84379522
Were rathtars a Lucas creation?
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>>84379659
Maul's quickly falling into joke territory, though.
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>>84379633
Actually you're wrong, Kubrick wanted to go full sentimentality in it, believe it or not and Spielberg wanted to cut parts of that shit out, just not everything. It appears AI was a pretty faithful adaptation of what Kubrick wanted.
And just my 2 centavos, I think Spielberg is a better director than Kubrick.

>>84379608
Vader obviously.
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>>84379676
If they were, it likely didn't get beyond "dangerous monsters." He wrote a treatment for Episode 7 and treatments usually don't get into that much detail. No idea if the concept for Han hauling a bunch of monsters started with Lucas, Arndt, or Abrams, but the final design for them is definitely on Abrams since he's the one that approved it.
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>>84379695
Huh, I would've figured it was the opposite. Either way there seems to be a tonal disagreement there.

I'm with you on Kubrick vs Spielberg, though.
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>>84379368
>The Empire being fast isn't really praise for Boba, but rather the Empire.
Are you forgetting Death Squadron split up before leaving the Anoat sector?
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>>84379695
>I think Spielberg is a better director than Kubrick
I'll have to kill you now.
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>>84379762
>I'll have to kill you now.
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>>84379368
>Duke Skywalker
I see what you did there.
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>>84379762
Shit, this ain't /tv/ so you might actually listen.

I think Kubrick never made another great film after Spartacus, but that and Paths of Glory are genuinely 10/10.

>Lolita even hardcore fans can agree was a failure
>strangelove is his only 100% good film after Spartacus, but even in that it gets way too long and the humor sometimes falls completely flat
>2001 had great shots and cuts combined with jarring cuts and shots, also every fucking scene was too long, the acting was wooden at best and the story starts in the 2nd half of he film
>clockwork orange starts off extremely strong, but there's no more steam in it by the hour mark and there's 80 more minutes to go, barely saved by MacDowell
>barry lyndon is probably his worst film, save for the pre-Paths of Glory ones, a chore to watch with a disjointed plot, awful performances all around, lackluster storytelling and characters
>the shining scared me less than ET. Didn't get the point of the book and again, way too long
>FMJ is incredible at the beginning(though that's mostly Ermey), is awful in the 2nd act and by the time it gets to the 3rd I lose interest
>Eyes Wide Shut is his best film since the 60's, great atmosphere and tension, great everything save for somewhat weak Tom Cruise and an awful Nicole Kidman
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>>84379186
Oddly enough, its the rifle that impresses me the most with his look. Like a cross between a knight and a big game hunter. The rest I could care less.

Fuck the missiles, though. I still have flashbacks from Shadows of the Empire.

>>84379220
The same people who would pay that much for an Ahsoka?
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>>84376871
Is that an actual movie shot? He looks SO fake.
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>>84380143
It was 11 years ago, anon
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>>84380166
Should have done him LA. He looks worse than the Jurassic Park T-Rex and that was 12 years before that.
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>>84380166
>I was 8 years old 11 years ago
Wow, time sure does fly.
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>>84379903
>Lolita even hardcore fans can agree was a failure
It wasn't a failure to my dick to be honest
>humor sometimes falls completely flat
Sure
>the story starts in the 2nd half of he film
So you didn't get any of it, gotcha
>clockwork orange
Definitely one of his weaker films. Felt more like a failed experiment than a movie.
>barry lyndon is probably his worst film, save for the pre-Paths of Glory ones, a chore to watch with a disjointed plot, awful performances all around, lackluster storytelling and characters
...
>the shining scared me less than ET. Didn't get the point of the book and again, way too long
The book sucked, though. Kubrick changed it and made it much better. There's a reason why everyone called him a perfectionist.
>FMJ is incredible at the beginning(though that's mostly Ermey), is awful in the 2nd act and by the time it gets to the 3rd I lose interest
You seem to have ADHD. Not really the movie's fault.
>Eyes Wide Shut is his best film since the 60's
Surprised you liked this one if you didn't like the others
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>>84379695
>Vader obviously
>not Darth Big Guy
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>>84378014
I always liked him. Granted I agree with most when they say he should have been more of an ideas man than a full-on director, but I blame that on all the people he asked to direct tpm that turned him down and encouraged him to do it when he didn't really want to.

He's never been good at dialogue but he's one hell of a visual storyteller and it's a shame he has little to no involvement in the saga anymore. I mean sure they're using his ideas but I imagine a lot changed along the way.

TFA was based on his story treatments but you could tell George didn't like the film very much so you can imagine there were deviations.
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>>84380348
Christ, look at that explosion coming out of Agen Kolar
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>>84379676
The name, maybe. But their design is definitely not how he does creatures

>>84380143
I dont think he does. Looks really damned good for 2005 CGI
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>>84378834
He's pure evil and I love that. Not all villains need redeeming qualities about them.

Dooku had always been portrayed as a little bit of a grey character who simply wanted peace at any cost but tcw turned him into a real mustache-twirler especially killing a whole ship of refugees by his own hand which just felt out of character.

The Plagueis novel (non-canon I know) showed it best, having Sheev murder his family at a young age showing he was always rotten inside. I never liked this Underworld tv show rumour that some women ruined him, I hope they don't make that canon.
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>>84380499
The events of the Darth Plagueis book have been directly referenced in Tarkin, which IS canon, making Darth Plagueis canon, too.
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>>84378803
I feel they should release some legends stuff on the side. Star trek dabble in multiple timelines in their EU. Some kotor short stories, Dawn of the Jedi, Legacy; there should have been more stories in those eras and it's gonna be ages until the new canon decides to start doing stories in the old republic era again. Too busy milking the OT while slowly adding more ST stuff. It sucks we don't get the variety of eras we had in the old EU for a while.
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>>84380481
>I dont think he does. Looks really damned good for 2005 CGI
The modeling and animation are fine, but the lighting is... wrong. It's perfect and sublime, yet the lighting on Obi-Wan is not perfect and sublime because Obi-Wan exists in the real world.

This is why movies now use props or stand-ins to get the lighting right on sets, even if the character is going to be 100% replace with CGI.
Oh that's right... there is no 'set lighting', they're just standing in front of a greenscreen. No wonder everything looks double-fake.
You know that Birdman won an oscar for its use of LIGHT BOUNCE? It's that essential and that neglected in modern greenscreen Compositing Hell.
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>>84380646
>le everything is cgi meme
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>>84380579
I'm glad to hear it's being acknowledged, definitely a Star Wars book that deserves nu-canon status.
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>>84379903
>>FMJ is incredible at the beginning(though that's mostly Ermey), is awful in the 2nd act and by the time it gets to the 3rd I lose interest
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>>84380499
>Dooku had always been portrayed as a little bit of a grey character who simply wanted peace at any cost

I don't think it's that he wanted peace, he wanted things to change. He recognized the corruption in the Senate would have led to perpetual gridlock resulting in nothing being accomplished as the galaxy becomes a lawless wasteland for greedy corporations to rape as they wish. As soon as Palpatine made it known that just one man, the hidden eternal enemy of the Jedi no less, was responsible for it all, Dooku probably felt it more prudent to exact the change he wanted with the side that was so thoroughly winning.

This of course would end up in his doing some very damning things, but again, these were the methods Palpatine used to so swiftly turn the galaxy upside down under the nose of the Jedi Order, so it was better that he adopt them.
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>>84380183
>1993 had better cgi
This meme needs to end
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>>84380499
>Dooku had always been portrayed as a little bit of a grey character who simply wanted peace at any cost but tcw turned him into a real mustache-twirler especially killing a whole ship of refugees by his own hand which just felt out of character.
I've always felt that was kind of the point of Dooku. He started out as a gray character with good intentions (and maybe a little arrogance), but the dark side is a hell of a rabbit hole and he's doing all kinds of horrible things while still justifying it with "the ends justify the means" and deluding himself into thinking he's doing what is necessary. He's so far into this that he's become a ruthless monster who only really cares about his own power.

The show really could've handled him with more nuance, though. They never really flesh him out or go into his motivations or why he went to the dark side. That was definitely a disappointment.
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>>84380579
Elements within have been acknowledged, not the entirety of it.
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>>84380183
>notdatedatall
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>>84380579
>>84380722
That's not how the new canon works, and only some events were vaguely referenced. Either way, Maul's story in TCW is already incompatible with his story in Plagueis.
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>>84380183
>stillooksgood
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>>84380791
The CGI in Jurassic Park only looked good because it was dark and raining for 90% of the movie. It falls apart fast when it's bright and clear.
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>>84380183
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>>84380646
Stop being angry. The OT was a testbed for new technology and compositing approaches. Some of those approaches (Like Go Motion) were dead-ends that never caught on.
The prequels were the same deal, breaking ground.

The problem is that the OT took practical effects which had been around for 70 years and took them to the next level. The Prequels were pushing the boundaries of CGI which were in its (relative) infancy.
"Young Indiana Jones" showed Lucas just how much you could accomplish using compositing and 'digital backlot.' But YIJ shot almost all of its ELEMENTS practical because the tech wasn't up to doing Greenscreen Everything.
The Prequels were testbeds for a whole new approach to special effects which we can call Greenscreen Everything. The problem is that, like Go Motion, this was a dead end. The prequels went so far into Greenscreen territory that Hollywood universally agreed "Yeah, this is too far. You need real sets or things look bad."

This is a picture of Anthony Daniels on the set of Episode 3. He's acting out C-3PO as motion reference -- the final shot will be 100% CGI. He's wearing the piece of armor as a lighting reference so that the animators can get the lighting right on the final shot.
He is wearing the armor as lighting reference... in front of a greenscreen.

THIS IS WHY YOU NEED SETS.
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>>84380777
Whether or not Palpatine's Empire was Dooku's desired endgame is debatable, but considering he went as far as to see to the rebirth of the Zygerian Slave Empire, I suppose the law and order of the Empire would have definitely been an improvement over the paralyzed and ineffective Republic.

What would he have thought of the First Order, I wonder? Hux mentioned that the New Republic acquiesced to disorder, but considering the First Order is being bankrolled by separatist elements within the New Republic, wouldn't that mean the First Order despite the image of purity it casts itself in, is acquiescent to corruption of the New Republic?
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>>84380863
>versus

However, I wish they blended more practical effects and CGI like Jurassic Park. Modern animtronics are very impressive. Sadly Hollywood is too cheap
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Best girl coming through
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>>84380945
>He's acting out C-3PO as motion reference
I don't remember Threepio being CGI in ROTS. He was in a lot of AOTC (especially the factory scene) but I'm pretty sure Threepio's practical for a majority of ROTS.
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>>84380945
But most of the prequels were filed on sets, anon. The actors and etc were composited
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>>84381031
Such a shit bad guy
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>>84381031
literally who
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>>84381034
They've talked about having to actually digitally remove camera reflections on Threepio and what a pain in the ass it was, so if he was digital, it was probably only for distant shots and such.
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>>84380965
>What would he have thought of the First Order, I wonder? Hux mentioned that the New Republic acquiesced to disorder, but considering the First Order is being bankrolled by separatist elements within the New Republic, wouldn't that mean the First Order despite the image of purity it casts itself in, is acquiescent to corruption of the New Republic?
Well, he was sort of doing the same thing. Dooku was courting all the corrupt corporate types by promising all kinds of shit he likely never intended to deliver. I think he would've been fine with the First Order using the New Republic's corruption against it.
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>>84381031
Not much competition there. Almost as if it was cut in half
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>>84381049
Hush now anon.
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>>84379078
6, 5, 7, 4, 3, 1, 2
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>>84381031
Who is Best boy?
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the u wing is the best new ship so far
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>>84381218
These two
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>>84381246
Those are men, not boys.
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>>84381244
Yes, you are right.
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>>84379078
5 = 4 > 6 = 3 > 7 > 1 = 2
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>>84381256
You are making this really difficult anon.
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>>84380945
>He's acting out C-3PO as motion reference -- the final shot will be 100% CGI. He's wearing the piece of armor as a lighting reference so that the animators can get the lighting right on the final shot.
>He is wearing the armor as lighting reference... in front of a greenscreen.
Do you have a source on that?
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>ywn be forced into sexual activity by a member of the Imperial Inquisitorius.

This is cruel.
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>>84381406
So you want to be raped?
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>>84374319
There's lego star wars movie?
Neato. Are they good? I love lego
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>>84381457
You don't?
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>>84379078
I don't get the hate for AOTC and TPM. They're pretty solid and even fun films. TPM is too bloated for me though. It should've been split up a bit.
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>>84381609
I feel like the Prequel Trilogy would have been improved if each movie was a Trilogy in itself. A lot of it is rushed as hell.
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>>84381553
By a cute girl not that monstrosity.
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This is just a wee bit offtopic but for those of you who like comic books, Mark Millar and Stuart Immonen's new comic book Empress is basically star wars fanfiction.

It's basically "What if Padme had raised multiple children with Darth Vader, then decided to flee with them and Obi-Wan Kenobi."

The art is good but I think Im gonna quit after two issues because I can't shake the offbrand taste of it.
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>>84381665
Oh she is quite alright anon.
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>>84381609
>I don't get the hate for AOTC and TPM.

I'm going to ask you a question: "Who is the main character of TPM?"
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>>84381641
What if the prequels were a mini-series or series like The Clone Wars?
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>>84381812
Am I supposed to hate them because of this?
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Any news about Rebels in the last month or we still looking for a late 2016 air date of the first pair of episodes?
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>>84381831
Then it'd open the galaxy so much more than the Prequels already did by themselves, considering they've got... thirteen years of story worth telling
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>>84381812
It's an ensemble movie like the Thin Red Line.
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>>84381863
We won't learn anything until Celebration.
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>>84381884
I hope that Hayden comes back as Vader/Anakin. I want to see him with everything we've learned from TCW
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>>84381839
>Am I supposed to hate them because of this?

TPM has massive structural problems.

I have had self-proclaimed experts in previous threads decipher for me what all the political shenanigans going on in TPM are actually supposed to mean and basically none of it is conveyed well.

Did you know that in the real world, a contract signed under duress is legally void, but in the world of star wars everyone in the jedi council and senate can acknowledge the nemoidian villains are trying to kidnap the queen to force a treaty being signed, and yet they all go along with it?
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>>84381812
Protagonist duties are shared by Qui-Gon and Anakin. Not sure why this is even a question.
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>>84381958
>Did you know that in the real world, a contract signed under duress is legally void
In the real world proving it was signed under duress become complicated.

If your point is that the treaty wouldn't have genuinely been accepted by the senate, that's kind of the point- Palpatine's trying to turn this into a legal clusterfuck that he can take advantage of to oust Valorum and then play the victim card and get himself elected. He stops caring about the treaty once he has Amidala there and he tricks her into demanding a recall vote on the chancellor.
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>>84381958
Why did the Trade Federation blockade Naboo?
They're the TRADE Federation.
>because Sidious told them to
But why did they listen?
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>>84381812
This isn't exactly a very good critique against it considering several films of its type with dynamic cast existed before and after it. You can't really organize the story of TPM around Anakin (even though the answer to your question is most certainly Anakin considering he's responsible for moving the majority of the latter half of the plot's resolution, even if on a minute, contributory scale)because there's a much, much larger world out there where literally everyone has some role of importance. It's multipolarity. Just because there isn't a single identifiable protagonist to hinge all your hopes on doesn't mean any one person is less important than the other.

In this, TPM is more of an ensemble.
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>>84381905
>It's an ensemble movie like the Thin Red Line.

It is not. Qui-Gon Jinn is the main character. and he remains a mostly static, fixed one for the whole film.

Obi-Wan and Padme are offscreen for long portions, and Anakkin is introduced relatively late in the movie.

Qui-Gon's death mirrors Obi-Wan in ANH, both films being "the last great adventure" of a an old jedi knight, but while qui-gon is present for more scenes, his motivations and hopes are sparsely detailed beyond saving Anakkin.

Jinn is the kind of jedi who gambles for the life of a young slave boy with an alien he can't arbitrarily mind control, nor for some reason kill despite the planet tattooine being a lawless shithole outside the republic.

And Anakkin's mother is just left in slavery. Baffling, baffling story choices.
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>>84382066
>If your point is that the treaty wouldn't have genuinely been accepted by the senate, that's kind of the point- Palpatine's trying to turn this into a legal clusterfuck that he can take advantage of to oust Valorum and then play the victim card and get himself elected. He stops caring about the treaty once he has Amidala there and he tricks her into demanding a recall vote on the chancellor.

And none of that is conveyed well in the telling of the movie.

Valorum is barely introduced before being kicked out the door. (And Terence Stamp was completely wasted)
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>>84382071
Sidious made them think that their blockading a planet out of protest would get the senate to listen to them and rethink the taxation. The Trade Federation is confident that Sidious is going to be able to pull strings and get them what they want, but they also know they have to do what he says. It's sort of like making a deal with a mafia boss- he's promised you a way out but you need to do it his way.
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>>84379304
>one of my favorite characters

How?
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>>84382167
>they also know they have to do what he says
How?
He's a secret
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>>84382158
>And none of that is conveyed well in the telling of the movie.
This is true, but it's also not the baffling quagmire people seem to describe it as. The details aren't explained clearly, but the big picture is: this is all a plan by Palpatine to get elected chancellor.
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>>84382190
Jango's really cool. Even if you only go by the movies like a faggot.
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>>84382201
They know he can influence the senate and they're also clearly afraid of him. That tells us they know his power and what he can do.
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>>84382071
>>84382167

And again, beyond the opening text, who the players on the field are or why they are making the choices they are is not always clear.

TFA, a film I liked, makes one of the same mistakes TPM does, having the 'emperor' show up 10 minutes in to the movie to make a phone call.
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>>84382209
Both the Fetts are paper thin and have no character to them, I don't see how anyone could think they're among their favorite characters.

t. EUfag
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>>84382205
>This is true, but it's also not the baffling quagmire people seem to describe it as. The details aren't explained clearly, but the big picture is: this is all a plan by Palpatine to get elected chancellor.

But for people not able to follow that the first time around, it makes the character's motivations seem opaque.

These are the sort of story points that are agitating to audiences and a direct reason TPM and AotC have bad reputations.
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>>84382229
>They know he can influence the senate and they're also clearly afraid of him. That tells us they know his power and what he can do.

It does not, it makes him a menacing phantom, but also an intangible, feckless one.

Episode 1 is so far removed from what most people consider the actual narrative of star war it might as well be Episode 0.
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>>84382367
>It does not, it makes him a menacing phantom, but also an intangible, feckless one.
In what way? What exactly do you need to have further detailed to tell the audience that Darth Sidious is a bad guy that's pulling strings?
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>it's a "Nute Gunray's motivation wasn't properly explained" thread again
For fuck's sake do we need to have this every month?
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>>84382474
>For fuck's sake do we need to have this every month?

Yes. You must suffer for the sins of George Lucas.
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>>84382450
>In what way? What exactly do you need to have further detailed to tell the audience that Darth Sidious is a bad guy that's pulling strings?

It's bad because it makes all the other villains in the film into duped goons without agency.

It sets up too clearly that everyone is manipulated by a nebulous, evil force.
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>>84382548
>all the other villains in the film into duped goons without agency.
But they are. That's the point. The downside is that it doesn't leave us with a strong antagonist (Sidious is pulling strings, Maul is the attack dog, that leaves us with Nute Gunray as the actual active antagonist and that's not good) but you act as if this has become some baffling, inconceivable setup that nobody can understand.
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>>84382474
At least this time it's not "Nute Gunray didn't behave the way I would've, that's a plot hole and he's an unrealistic character!"
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>>84382596
>But they are. That's the point.

People didn't like in 1999, they don't like it now.
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>>84382811
That's fine, but that's not what we're actually discussing.
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Confess. Which of you faggots has done this?
CONFESS!
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>>84381803
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>>84383035
DELETE THIS
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>>84381218
Why Best Clone of course!
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why DID Gunray do it anyway?
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>>84383620
who wouldn't rape padme?
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>>84383620
Sidious promised he'd be able to use the blockade situation to get the Republic to stop the taxation of trade routes. If you want to go further into non-movie material (some of which isn't canon anymore and may no longer apply), Sidious is the entire reason Gunray has his position in the first place after helping him murder corporate rivals, so Gunray knows that Sidious can not only do him powerful favors but that he can also fuck him up if he crosses him.
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>>84383620
Watch the fucking movie. It's clear as crystal. Do people really need to be spoonfed???
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>>84383666
There was a line in the script where, after Nute reports that the ambassadors are Jedi, Sheev tells him "you seem more afraid of the Jedi than you are of me." No idea why that was cut.
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>>84383759
>Watch the fucking movie.

Have.

>It's clear as crystal.

It's not.

>Do people really need to be spoonfed???

It's a bad movie most people really didn't like. It's badly told.
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>>84383779
Might've been slightly unnecessary. We already had the hint Gunray and Co were terrified of Sidious, the Jedi and the entire situation. It's implied their greed led them to be manipulated into a futile situation.
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>>84383814
>It's a bad movie most people really didn't like.
This is entirely your opinion and not supported by facts.

>It's not
>events told in opening scroll
>told by characters
>showed in the film
>not clear
How? What is so confusing about Palpatine's power play?
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>>84383850
>We already had the hint Gunray and Co were terrified of Sidious, the Jedi and the entire situation. It's implied their greed led them to be manipulated into a futile situation.
Apparently it was needed, since there are people here that was completely confused about Nute's position. Apparently Nute's motivation is the lynchpin of the entire movie and having it spelled out would have prevented it from being hated, somehow.
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>>84383898
>>It's a bad movie most people really didn't like.
>This is entirely your opinion and not supported by facts.

THE PHANTOM MENACE IS BAD!

It's widely despised! Were it not a star wars film it would have been forgotten long ago!

Jar Jar Binks is remembered as a racist mistake!
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>>84384251
>opinions are facts
What does this have to do with Nute Gunray's motivation again?
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>>84384251
>capslock will make me seem more right!!!!!

Newsflash: the Internet's opinion is not the opinion of th general audience. Your opinion is also not representative of everyone
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>>84384406
Pretty sure this is the same guy from before

>NUTE GUNRAY'S MOTIVATION DOESN'T MAKE SENSE
>explain motivation
>WELL EPISODE 1 WAS BAD
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>>84384573
I pray we dont get overrun with shitposters from /tv/ next week.

At least this shitheads bait is weak and fun though.
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>>84383101
>>84381803
>>84383035
>All these /SS/fags still spamming her.
Your waifu is dead, son. Just accept it.
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>>84385574
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>>84378453

>Make the spaceship more aerodynamic
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>>84385688
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>>84381246
Not sure how the artist managed to draw such a horrible Obi Wan. Not only is the hair completely off from anything we saw in the PT, OT, and TCW, there is no sense of Obi Wan's type of posture as well. Obi Wan's not the kind of person to openly display insecurity in body language. He's the kind of guy that hides behind the appearance of somebody who's confident and has control of the situation. He's obviously fucking terrified of Maul in TCW, but he is just shit-talks the dude and acts like it's a dumbass separatist general holding him hostage. That's just his personality. He never wants to seem weak, but what the fuck is with this fucking picture. Is he afraid of Hondo or some shit? He's not a timid guy, and he wouldn't act like a scared child, he would openly joke around by saying "If you say so." I'd say this was a self-insert by the artist, but why would anybody draw themselves acting like a fucking pussy around a a good friend. Consider me triggered
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>>84385834
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>>84385080
Waifus never die.
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>>84384515
>Newsflash: the Internet's opinion is not the opinion of the general audience. Your opinion is also not representative of everyone

Imma have to give this post a vote of no confidence.
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>>84385880

was that really necessary.
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>>84386027

ezra has upgraded to a female sith lord next season through the holocron he has
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>going through the image booru
>click on page 3
DELETE THIS
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>>84378450
Yes, tell me where on Earth we could film the Utupauan plains, the Coruscant skylines, and the arena of Geonosis.
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>>84387823
What's the problem anon?
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>>84376950
why do you think they made clones?
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>>84382330
the whole last mandalorian thing and the comic/game for jango made him way more tolerable than just the boba recolor. plus the clones were cool as fuck being only temeura morrison
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>>84378682
I'll bite.

>T-the Prequels are all CGI!

No, they aren't. Green screen? Yes. CGI? Not even close. I suggest you and anyone who's interested check out this thread.

boards theforce net/threads/jedi-archive-practical-trilogy.50038457/

>M-muh shitty dialogue

No worse than the OT.

>M-muh midichlorians

Midichlorians are in all life forms, so the Force still exists in all life. Don't worry, you can still pretend your a Jedi in your backyard with this addition to canon.

>T-the Prequels are s-shit!

Name a better movie that has released in the past 17 years.

>T-the plot was confusing and all over the place!

Really? I understood it fine when I was a kid and my 6 years old nephew seems to understand the films perfectly. Do you have less understanding than a 6 year old?

The PT is not perfect. It has its flaws So does the OT and Jew Jew Abram's film. But, it's all Star Wars.
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>>84379078
3>6>5>4>1>2>TCW Movie >>>7

I rank on enjoyment when watching. I do not enjoy watching EP 7 when marathoning the saga, cuz I just saw the film 2 movies ago.
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>>84376871
A lot of people are shitting on this, but when I was 9 it looked real to me. The only thing I don't like about Grievous is that in his two right hands, he's holding a copy of Anakin and Obi-Wan's lightsabers.

It's been pissing me off since I was 9.
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>>84378731
Favorite quote. Best Sith Master.
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>>84389051
>not Marr
Darth Bara a shit.
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>>84388998
>I do not enjoy watching EP 7 when marathoning the saga, cuz I just saw the film 2 movies ago.
You know, funny thing, but as a kid I always felt that Episode 6 wasn't as good as the others because it was too similar to ANH. They started on Tatooine, and then go blow up another Death Star.

Obviously I've come to appreciate RotJ much more since then.

But I find it funny, that if I told kid-me about TFA, he probably would have straight up called bullshit on it.

>ANOTHER Death Star!?
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>>84389131
>Darth Marr.
He wasn't your master and teacher, though. Best Sith Lord probably goes to pic related, though.
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>>84389210
Thing with RTOJ, it recycled ANH, and TPM to an extent, elements RIGHT.

TFA didn't do that. Just copy and pasted with new names and characters.
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>>84389350
Also, those new Stormtrooper helmets look retarded.
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>>84389241
>vowran
>bowing to valk
kys
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>>84388897
Finally! The truth of how Darth Maul survived! He used the Force to switch himself to the stunt take while Obi-Wan was watching him fall in the special effects take.
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>>84389571
The guy's very tricky. He likely plans on stabbing Arcann in the back as soon as possible. Also, he was only bowing to Arcann to keep the Empire safe. If they didn't bow, Arcann would have had the Empire and Republic eradicated. He's just the one who delivers the "tribute" to the Eternal Empire.
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>>84389210
I enjoy re-marathoding with the new knowledge of canon. Because of Lost Stars, Sloane, Blade Squadron and Shattered Empire, the Battle of Endor is enhanced greatly.
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>>84389911
Good thing he was able to survive that! Man, what a close one, eh?
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>>84389755
>>84389755
>>>84389571 (You)
>The guy's very tricky. He likely plans on stabbing Arcann in the back as soon as possible.
He isn't powerful enough to.

>Also, he was only bowing to Arcann to keep the Empire safe.
Bullshit, then he would be the one in charge if he was doing something like that. He's not.
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R8 my force chart. Does it explain it well enough for someone from /tv/ to comprehend?
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>>84389911
>>84390201
Anon..... he's dead.
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>>84390304
the more you talk about it, the more you ruin the idea
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>>84390448
He got really hurt, but don't worry, he was able to be saved by some droids that were somehow still loyal to him!
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>>84390304
Lucas doesn't be quite so specific about how the Force works because it's a metaphor for all religions

This is pretty autistic
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>>84390304
>mfw I just realized that my chart may very well explain the light/dark side symbols, one has the living force triumphing over the cosmic force (selfishness, Sith) and the other has the living force accepting it's place inside the cosmic force (selflessness, Jedi)
>>84390518
Yeah I'm trying and make a cleaner and more to the point version.
>>84390565
He's pretty specific on the rare occasions where the force is explained. However he hasn't explained much of it. It's one of those things that after thinking about it for a long time you start to kind of piece together in your head and figure out where everything fits.
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>>84389350
Yeah, even if going back to Tatooine and having another Death Star are both unimaginative, they're at least used differently. The Death Star for example, exists mostly as a trap for the heroes. This time the Empire counted on them showing up with their fleet and the conflict is extended to a large-scale battle instead of a few ships dogfighting near a trench. They even increased the stakes in destroying it because it was more than just hitting one targeting and flying away, this time they had to navigate a very dangerous maze, hit the target, and escape while it's blowing up around them.

TFA just rehashes the Battle of Yavin, complete with a trench. There isn't even any tension and we don't really care about the outcome because even the movie treats the attack on Starkiller Base as less important than the duel between Kylo, Finn and Rey.
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>>84388897
>dialogue
This has to be trolling. The dialogue in the prequels is forced and inorganic. At least in the originals they still sounded like people and not Shakespeare written by a potter.

>Midi-chlorians
A biological explanation for something spiritual and omnipresent is just dumb. There's nothing objectively bad about it, but the opinions of the masses have spoken.

>Better movie
Yeah, definitely a troll. Just off the top of my head, almost all the Marvel movies are better.

>Not confusing
All over the place =/= confusing. It's easy to follow, but the confused nature of the progression can still be a bad thing. And it definitely is.
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>>84391319
>A biological explanation for something spiritual and omnipresent is just dumb.
I like how 17 years later people still think this is what midi-chlorians are.
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>>84391319
>There's nothing objectively bad about it, but the opinions of the masses have spoken.
There's nothing objectively bad about it, but the masses have spoken therefore it's objectively bad...? I'm not following your logic.
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so, some life debt spoilers from TFN.

-No Thrawn. The Fleet Admiral from the end of Aftermath is Gallius Rax, who is a very cruel man who was part of Palpatine's inner circle. He is purposefully manipulating the post-Palpatine situation to have Imperials who he thinks are not trustworthy or good enough killed (he's the Operator from Aftermath who was serving as an informant to the New Republic), hoping to purge the excess from the inelegant machine of the Empire to create something more focused (which obviously will later become the First Order). Sloane does not like him and thinks he has no honor. Mas Amedda is alive and helps Sloane investigate Rax.
-Rax, Palpatine, Amedda, and interestingly Yularen were trying to find something on Jakku. Palpatine once said that Jakku "was significant to the galaxy a thousand years ago, and will be significant again." We know that the Sith were thought to be destroyed 1000 years before TPM. Did the final battle take place on Jakku instead of Ruusan in the new continuity, or did perhaps Darth Bane go into hiding there? Is this why Lor San Tekka was on Jakku, since he was searching for Luke who himself had worked with Lor earlier to hunt for Force relics and knowledge? And what does this mean for Rey?
-There were 13 Super Star Destroyers, all of them now destroyed, taken over, or missing. The Annihilator, which was Tagge's personal SSD in the Vader comic, has been commandeered by pirates. Palpatine's personal SSD was the Eclipse (!!!) and what happened to it is unknown.
-General Hux's first name is...Armitage. He's the illegitimate son of Brendol Hux (which we already knew), the commandant of the Arkanis Academy from the Servants of the Empire books, who was responsible for coming up with the idea of breeding Stormtroopers.
-Some characters from other media appear, like Yendor from Lost Stars and Bloodline, and Evaan Verlaine from the Princess Leia comic.
-No Luke.
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>>84391663
>Eclipse
Oh my
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>>84391663
Oooh. Interesting stuff! Actually sounds like it will be a good book.
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>>84391663
>Pirates
Pls be the Ohnaka Gang
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>>84391319
>The dialogue in the prequels is forced and inorganic. At least in the originals they still sounded like people and not Shakespeare written by a potter
This is entirely subjective based on your own personal preferences. When compared to the OT, the prequels dialogue is the same. Star Wars is based on works of the past. It's a theme that the dialogue is a bit off from the real world. There has been nothing realistic about Star Wars dialogue.

>A biological explanation for something spiritual and omnipresent is just dumb
Please explain what they are because claiming they are the force indicates you didn't watch TPM or TCWs.

>but the opinions of the masses have spoken.
Citation for this. The franchise has a very diverse and unique fanbase. Claiming that everyone hated the midichorians is a foolish statement without proof.

>All over the place
TPM is a fairly straight forward movie. The plot and actions are explained out of film and within film.
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>>84391663
Not sure what the point of having him be illegitimate, but that's kind of a dorky first name. It doesn't exactly role off the tongue when you say his full name.
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>>84391767
Whoops fucked up the Cosmic Force description.
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>>84391663
>It's not Thrawn
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tfw grievous will never hold you
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>>84391805
Come to think of it, do you guys think it would get bad enough that Sidious would start blowing up planets just to feed off the mass deaths? Since we know that weapons similar to the Death Star were used in the ancient Jedi/Sith war I wouldn't be surprised if some old Sith actually did something like this. Sidious was pretty smart but I think there's a possibility that eventually he would go mad with hunger for power and find every little excuse to use the Death Star over and over again.
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>>84391785
I actually didn't mind TPM. Stopping a trade blockade is a bit of a lame premise compared to the others, but it's setting up the bigger story so it works. My main problem was that at the end I really didn't care about the Gungan fights, and jumping between that, Padmé's perspective, and the infinitely more awesome Darth Maul battle was annoying.

Mostly my complaint are aimed at episode 2, and more specifically, at the scenes with Anakin and Padmé. Cut those out, and it's actually not bad.
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>>84388897
>Name a better movie that has released in the past 17 years.
You are fucking kidding.
>>
Just beat Kotor 2 for the first time. I wouldn't say the ending was anticlimactic, just abrupt and disappointing. What was the point of the Mira sequence? What about G0-T0's confrontation? Where did Atton go? Is Bao dead? What was Visas doing the whole time?

You've probably heard this a thousand time before, but seriously, I'd have liked to get some sort of post-final boss 'congratulations!' cutscene...
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>>84391785
>Star Wars is based on works of the past. It's a theme that the dialogue is a bit off from the real world. There has been nothing realistic about Star Wars dialogue.
Nice headcanon you got going there
>Citation for this.
What the hell are you even talking about
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>>84385688
I like to think that if it wasn't for Obi-Wan's lightsaber not falling at that exact moment, Cody would have been killed instead of that trooper next to him.
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>>84381515
Watch The Lego Freemaker Adventures, Anon!

Speaking of it, when is the next episode?
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>>84380646
You do know that he was fighting a real person on set and not just fighting the air, right?
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>>84391785
>When compared to the OT, the prequels dialogue is the same

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPzUXlgBJrU

Delusions are a sign of mental illness, anon.
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>>84388897
>No, they aren't. Green screen? Yes. CGI? Not even close.
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>>84389486
>Also, those new Stormtrooper helmets look retarded.

star wars threads on /co/ are wild!
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>>84393672
Not the same guy but it's pretty much impossible to NOT CGI stuff like hundreds of battle droids. Stop motion is out of the question.
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>>84393672
Much of the backgrounds they inserted people into were miniatures, not CG.
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>>84393654
Are you implying that the OT and the new trilogy doesn't have bad dialogue, anon? Who's the one in complete denial here?
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>>84393739
>Are you implying that the OT and the new trilogy doesn't have bad dialogue, anon?

Implying? Oh no, I'm stating that the dialog in OT and TFA is 10,000 TIMES BETTER IN EVERY WAY.

>Who's the one in complete denial here?

I actually had a problem with TFA's dialog in that it's so functional and straightforward it makes it less quotable.

The OT is a solid mix between Lucas' weird phrasing and the actors cutting through it to deliver better lines.

But poor poor Natalie Portman and Hayden Christiensen had to endure some of the most rote dialog ever written for film.
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>>84393783
>I'm stating that the dialog in OT and TFA is 10,000 TIMES BETTER IN EVERY WAY.
Yep, denial.
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>>84378014
He just wanted to entertain people and make money but was constantly critizised because of the stupid shit he came up with that could have been prevented had he just gotten some other guys to read his shit before going into production.

It´s quite a sad, interesting and human story. He said he did so much Star Wars stuff only to amass money to make experimental movies that Hollywood wouldn´t finance but in the end he only did THX, Red Tails and Howard the fucking Duck, then turned back to Star Wars where he first truly own ideas were shat on and then he took a back seat to make a really great childrens cartoon to recreate that feeling he had when he watched random Flash Gordon episodes on tv and didn´t know what was happening in the story. It´s like the man always wanted to create something better than a Buck Rogers clone but simply is unable to form a good idea or bring up the courage to realize one idea besides Star Wars and it eats him up from inside while he watches Family Guy like a braindead prole in his comfy couch at 8pm before crying himself to sleep.
He is quite patethic but I think most people on here would turn out just like him in that situation, me included.
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>>84393783
>10,000 TIMES BETTER IN EVERY WAY.
How old are you?
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>>84393806
>>84393863
Kids, there's a difference between bad dialogue and dialogue that works in sci-fi.
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>>84393708
And CGI Droids look endlessly better than stopmotion.
I don't understand people who have the Stopmotion > CGI opinion.
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>>84393783
I'd argue the dialog/acting in TFA is on par with the Prequels.
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>>84393806
>>84393863

I really like star wars threads on /co/ because we're all equal here!

Everyone else in the world has moved on from pretending the prequels were worth caring about, but you guys, you guys can just cling to the prequels even harder.
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>>84394001
You're the same troll that's been here since like Friday night, aren't you? You're not bored yet?
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>>84378127
TFA is too much a sequel to ROTJ and too much a copy of ANH, the latter is known just too well here. There should have been a clearer break between the trilogies. The First Order just being the Empire that made peace with the New Republic and rebranded themselves as a separate political party that then went out again to wage war completely undermines any of the finality that ROTJ had. It makes ROTJ a random battle in a 4 decades-long civil war with a temporary peace treaty. The bad side should have been a completely new threat and there is no reason to make the Rebels reach their goal of reinstating the Republic while yet keeping their military tiny and making every old MCs story between the trilogies into depressing shit (that should have happened on screen since this story is so much of a direct sequel to ROTJ, why even bother).

On its own I kinda like it or at least accept it but seeing all 7 movies as one entity TFA just sticks out too much, but I hope 8 and 9 can fix this.
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>>84377726
>Team Rocket's blasting off agaaaiiiin
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>>84393814
>He is quite pathetic but I think most people on here would turn out just like him in that situation, me included.

He's a billionaire who lost his finesse when he insulated himself from criticism with his money and influence.

Marcia Lucas wouldn't have let the prequels happen the way they did. Some of Anakin's fallout with Padme is based on George bellowing for his ex-wife.
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>>84393998
>I'd argue the dialog/acting in TFA is on par with the Prequels.

You'd have a bad argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi5jjXTPtyY

TFA didn't have to burden itself with a love story.

George can't into romance.
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>>84394017
Yeah, pretty sure it's him. Same /tv/ copy-paste arguments, same repetition of "prequels are shit!" as if that's an actual argument, same awkward spacing and grammar, same lack of effort. Before long he'll pull the old "difference of opinion isn't trolling!" defense.

He's persistent if nothing else.
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>>84393977
>gets called out for being underage
>calls everyone who disagrees with him a kid
Oh boy.
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>>84394017
>You're the same troll that's been here since like Friday night, aren't you? You're not bored yet?

For real though, in absolute transparency, I love star wars. Rogue One looks great and I really liked TFA.

I just think you guys have a really myopic viewpoints on star wars, and that here on 4chan in your echo chamber, you're not used to being contradicted.
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>>84393998
The writing is on part with the prequels too.
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>>84394088
Yeah, nah, we already know your game. It's not even funny anymore, it's just kind of sad now.
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>>84390079
Oh yeah. The Battle of Endor has become my favorite Space Battle, and I think that's very much partly because of how Canon has expanded it and showed how much bigger it was than what you see in the movie
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>>84394088
>I just think you guys have a really myopic viewpoints on star wars, and that here on 4chan in your echo chamber, you're not used to being contradicted.
I like how you think shouting "THE PREQUELS SUCK" over and over is some monumental tactic that's going to shatter our precious worldview.
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>>84394088
>I love star wars.
>I really liked TFA.
Those two things contradict each other. No wonder no one gives a shit about your opinion.
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>>84394001
Now everyone is pretending TFA was worth caring about.
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>>84394067
>same repetition of "prequels are shit!" as if that's an actual argument,

It isn't? Are you like a vampire repelled by the sight of the cross? Can't stand somebody pointing out the PT is vastly inferior to the OT?

Time is not on your side friend.

>same awkward spacing and grammar, same lack of effort.

I'm always going to consider it a personal victory that I haven't written a manifesto-length diatribe about star wars.
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>>84394087
I'm not that guy, kid. There's a reason why Star Wars is high up on most famous quotes of all time. People that say it's bad dialogue are just RLM-faggots.
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The only good trilogy is the OT. The prequels and TFA both undermine the OT, but the prequels had better lore additions at least.

Rogue One is basically Battlefront the movie, so it might be cool, but we already know TFA undermined the OT so what's the point.
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>>84379220
> regular Black Series Figure price in Germany is 32,99€

Now I know how third world toy collectors must feel.
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>>84376871
If you have to believe the Clone Wars show, this is like the 6th time they fight each other, and this isn't the first time Grievous has 4 lightsabers. It shouldn't be this dramatic and surprising
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>>84377051
Sounds like you've been reading Legends again. Please stick to actual canon Star Wars facts in this thread.
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>>84394133
>Time is not on your side friend.
What does this even mean? You're not even trying anymore.
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>>84378014
>>84378014
>he was the laughingstock of the Internet for over a decade?
That was a contrarian reaction to the love of his movies. Now even newer teenagers are contrarian against that. It's like mainstream, anti-mainstream hippies and anti-anti-mainstream faggots. It goes around
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>>84394141
Nice try pretending to be someone else, anon but it's not working unfortunately. Posting reaction pics ain't gonna cover it.
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>>84394188
Forms are Canon though

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Form_III
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>>84377753
>ultimate badass nu-fett
But Fett does nothing in any movie.
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>>84394121
>Those two things contradict each other. No wonder no one gives a shit about your opinion.

I accept the prequels, warts and all, but I won't tolerate the idea they aren't badly told.

The world is so much bigger than star wars, man.

The Fifth Element, parts of the Chronicles of Riddick, Tron Legacy, even Guardians of the Galaxy do the idea of the big fun space opera better than the prequel trilogy.
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>>84394023
I wish they had used Star Wars Legacy as a template since that didn't make everyone a sad old failure. The Jedi still get destroyed again but Luke died long before it happened.

But of course they wouldn't be able to bring Han and Chewie back so no dice.
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>>84394154
>but we already know TFA undermined the OT so what's the point.

TFA is better than RotJ.
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>>84394235
>I won't tolerate the idea they aren't badly told.
Sounds like the one getting triggered here is you, son.
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>>84394133
But the RLM videos you treat as gospel are a manifesto-length diatribe about Star Wars interspersed with unfunny "I got a sex dungeon in my basement" sketches.
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>>84394235
The prequels were a bad story badly told

TFA was a bad story competently told
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>>84394235
>I accept the prequels, warts and all
Great. Shouting "THE PREQUELS ARE SHIT EVERYONE AGREES" isn't some new earth-shattering viewpoint that's going to make everyone here cry. We know they're flawed. Deeply flawed in a lot of cases. To a lot of us, that doesn't stop us from liking them. I know this is hard for you to grasp, but liking something doesn't mean you think it's perfect.
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>>84380499
>some women ruined him
Don't worry, that would be too sexist for 2016. Don't you know women are better than men?
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>>84394250
No
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>>84394217
Honestly, you RLMfags are just too much.
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>>84394274
They're about even.
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>>84394235
>comparing Guardians of the Galaxy with Star Wars
I stopped reading there.
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>>84394203
>What does this even mean? You're not even trying anymore.

I'm saying that you hold the collective weight of your nostalgia for the first six star wars movies against TFA.

When the ST is whole, then you'll be able to compare them fairly.

And whenever someone does a poll about star wars, you'll see in just how low a regard TPM, AotC, and RotS are held to the others.

And after Rogue One, the Han Solo films, and whatever else Disney cooks up, the prequel trilogy is just gonna sink further and further and be cemented as the nadir of star wars.
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>>84394307
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>>84394325
But TFA was only successful because of the collective nostalgia for the first three. Certainly not on its own merits.

In any other franchise the same kind of plot points in a revival would sink it. I can't understand why TFA gets a pass.
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>>84394263

I haven't watched RLM's star wars videos in years.

I don't consider them that important. Though "the newly renamed Sheev Palatine medical center" is like the greatest punchline name I've ever heard in star wars.

I would say I took a lot of my philosophy for star wars from Alastair Stephens's "Story and Star Wars"

http://storywonk.com/story-and-star-wars-1-a-new-hope/

It's a podcast on itunes. It's really good.
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>>84394322
>I stopped reading there.

Well you read like 80% of what I wrote then.

And Star-Lord is basically Kyle Katarn, who was basically Han Solo as a Jedi.
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>>84394339
Have a (You), troll.
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>>84394322
Hell, comparing Tron Legacy to Star Wars and the space opera genre.
Legacy's just a "Let's ripoff Star Wars for a second Tron film and make everyone old and sad" like TFA was. At least we got Uprising out of it, if only for a single season.
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>>84394367
>I can't understand why TFA gets a pass.

Because the prequels were a chore to watch for many people.

The love story in AotC is like chewing glass between Obi-Wan doing cool stuff.

RotS works better and in fact feels rushed in several places. The Jedi Purge and the Yoda/Sidious duel come across like checkpoints Lucas had to hit in addition to everything else he wanted to accomplish.

And Grand Moff Tarkin just shows up, arms crossed, having never been a character in the prequels despite begin the right age.

TFA flows like a hit knife through butter by comparison. It's very aggressively paced, in the style of modern blockbusters like Avengers or Mad Max Fury Road. You can argue it's weightless or breezy or empty calories, but it's what it is.
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>>84390448
>>84389911
Thanks or the WebM's bra
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>>84394426
>And Grand Moff Tarkin just shows up, arms crossed, having never been a character in the prequels despite begin the right age.

That's not even just a George thing. Even the EU stuff from the time of the prequels never explored what he was doing in that time period. It wasn't until the Clone Wars show that his past started really being developed and that was several seasons in.
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>>84394426
>And Grand Moff Tarkin just shows up, arms crossed, having never been a character in the prequels despite begin the right age.
He was in TCW.

>>84394426
>It's very aggressively paced, in the style of modern blockbusters like Avengers or Mad Max Fury Road.
The thing is TFA is like The Avengers when stuffing everything in. The only difference is The Avengers had a lot of build up and other films leading up to it. TFA does not and that's why it falls short. People including myself tend to look past this because of nostalgia which is why everyone started lashing out after rewatching it.
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>>84394491
Made several years after ROTS and after Filoni realized "Hey, nobody bothered to consider what Tarkin was up to during this time period even in the EU" and got to work bringing him in.

Hell, I think Filoni's done more with Tarkin then anybody else ever did in the old EU.
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TFA is shit and here is why:

>ANH story
>Only non 2 dimensional character is a fucking nigger
>Cinematography does not follow rules set by Lucas for Star Wars. TCW and Rebels follow these rules, why does Jew Jew get a pass?
>Color correction out the ass. Honestly, put a screenshot from the new Trek films and TFA and they look the fucking same.
>Poorly paced
>The Fanservice Awakens
>Jew Jew cannot subtly put easter eggs in a scene. He has to have them in front of the camera or have the characters talk about it.
>Kylo somehow doesn't cut Finn in half,.
>Rey somehow doesn't cut Kylo's head in half
>Luke, despite being in all the behind the scenes coming up for the movie, he was in there for less than 10 sec at the end.
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>>84394394
>>84394325
>>84394322
>>84394279
>>84394256
>>84394217
>>84394203
>>84394133

All of you need to SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Geez, does any one of you honestly think you're going to change the other side's opinion? Who cares which trilogy was better! It literally doesn't matter! At all! You can have your favorites, but nobody else cares, so don't try to 'convert' people to your way of thinking.
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>>84394638
I don't get this argument.

>Made several years after ROTS

The PT was made several years after the OT, is that to not be considered important now? How about the ST?
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>>84394754
It's called arguing, anon. Star Wars isn't a religion.
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>>84394750
>Kylo is 1 dimensional
>Snoke is 1 dimensional
>Anakin doesn't show up and chew out Kylo's ass
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>>84394777
Well >>84394426's talking from a "Movies existing in a vacuum" perspective where Tarkin's role in the prequel era is a random cameo at the end that comes off as an afterthought.
I'm just adding that in Prequel EU media before TCW, none of those comic/novel writers remembered that Tarkin existed. That Filoni's actually been putting the character to a ton of good use just shows how well suited he was for the job when George made him his Padawan.
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>>84394750
That helicopter shot at the end triggered me really bad as well, colleague.

Everything will be fine again, one day.
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>>84394750
>ANH story
Not really, other than Starkiller base, which I will agree was a bad idea. Otherwise, it's mostly just nods to the previous movies. There are parallels, but TFA goes about them in its own way.
>Only non 2 dimensional character is a fucking nigger
Wait, is your problem here that there's only one 3d character, or that he's black?Well disregarding that, without the Prequels to add more, Vader would have been more 2D than Kylo, and Rey is about as flat a character as Luke was.
>Cinematography does not follow rules set by Lucas for Star Wars.
Why is that a bad thing? I thought you didn't like nostalgia and pandering,
>Color correction out the ass.
Didn't bother anybody but you, buddy.
>Poorly paced
It more or less follows the pacing of A New Hope though.
>The Fanservice Awakens
This is true. Should have saved some for the next movies instead of pouring them all in at once.
>Jew Jew cannot subtly put easter eggs in a scene.
What are you referring to?
>Kylo somehow doesn't cut Finn in half.
Vader somehow doesn't cut Luke in half in Episode V.
>Rey somehow doesn't cut Kylo's head in half.
Killing the central villain in the first installment of the trilogy would be just plain stupid, anon.
>Luke[...] was in there for less than 10 sec at the end.
If you ask me, they should have waited for the next episode. Still, they did a good job building hype with it. Putting him I'm at all was a worse move than only having him there for a few seconds. It helps keep us wondering.
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>Ahsoka, we're going to an ice planet and you dress like that? And you complain about my hard-ons.
>Anakin.
>What?
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>>84394801
>>Kylo is 1 dimensional
>>Snoke is 1 dimensional

TFA makes the same mistake as TPM, where the big bad shows up for a phone call, completely revealing he's exactly 100% evil with no ambiguity.

Kylo however had far more characterization than Luke or Leia did in ANH. A conflicted villain is new to star wars and the kind of new blood star wars needs.
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>>84395013
Doesn't she always wear a parka when going to ice planets?
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>>84395070
Aaaand, wrong pic. Great.
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>>84394491
At least Ep.8 will have an established universe now that TFA is done. They can actually move on from copying the OT.

>>84394878
Can't wait to see his take on Thrawn.
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>Hold the door, hold the door! Holddador! Hodor!
>Anakin!
>Couldn't help it.
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>>84395083
Her cold planet design is the cutest shit
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>>84393005
Tomorrow.
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>>84395317
Sweet
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>>84395164
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>Hey, Wookiee. Concentrate on my class, not my ass.
>>
I found a guy with the original VHS version of the original trilogy who'd be willing to sell it.

Can VHS be converted to digital form? Because I'd only be willing to buy this (he's asking for over $100, which is more than I like spending in one place) if I can put it online for the rest of the fanbase to finally be able to enjoy, since it's impossible to find anything but the current version.

And if so, would anybody be willing to contribute?
>>
>>84395528
>he's asking for over $100
Dude, he's ripping you off. Just dl the torrents for it. They even have it in HD too.
>>
>>84395512
Hey, that's pretty lewd.
>>
>>84395550
There are torrents for it? I never found any of the original version.
>>
>>84395588
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHfLX_TMduY
>>
/swco/ how many correct answers can you get?
http://cosmictoys.ca/blogs/news/star-wars-trivia-quiz-85-questions
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>>84395769
>Release the hounds

My sides, for some reason.
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>>84395769
>name of Darth Maul's brother
>both Feral and Savage listed
JUST
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>>84395769
>>What is the rarest type of crystal used in the construction of a lightsaber?
>Kaiburr
>>
>>84395070
Halsey is cute.
>>
>>84395877
I ran into a few questions like that.
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>>84395769
63%, yikes. Time to re-watch all the movies!
>>
>>84395769
>68/85
>Result: 80%
>80-89%12 people
Ayy
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>>84395769
>50-59%
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>>84396052
She is worst mother
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>>84396355
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>>84395769
63/85
Result: 74%

Not too bad.
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>>84396355
She tries the best she can. Not her fault Parangosky is an evil old hag.
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>>84396455
>When a resuscitated and crazy AI tries to steal your man
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>>84395769
75%, fairly good!
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>>84396611
Bah, Linda's just a good friend. Everyone knows it's actually Kelly who has the hots for John.
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>>84396636
>Kelly
>Hots for John
She wanted Sam's dick
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>Not really, other than Starkiller base, which I will agree was a bad idea. Otherwise, it's mostly just nods to the previous movies. There are parallels, but TFA goes about them in its own way.
Sorry but I have to disagree with you there. It was more than just simple parallels.
>Wait, is your problem here that there's only one 3d character, or that he's black?
I think he's comparing Finn to the other two supposedly "main" characters.
>Why is that a bad thing? I thought you didn't like nostalgia and pandering,
Story and cinematography are different though. TFA had some great cinematography which I welcome but most of the time it felt off. Then again it's not unexpected when you have a completely new crew working on it.
>Didn't bother anybody but you, buddy.
He's not the only one. They did try to make it look all fancy with their tints. They didn't need to do that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7nOq1ATzmM
>What are you referring to?
Probably talking about stuff like C3PO and R2 D2 being forced in.
>Vader somehow doesn't cut Luke in half in Episode V.
Luke was Vader's son. He had reasons to not kill him on the spot. Finn was just another disposable stormtrooper.

Well that's what I think anyway.

>>84395153
Except that they pretty much destroyed most of the new planets that they introduced in the film. We know they're having a showdown at the first jedi temple but that's about it. Will we ever see Jakku again?
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>>84396652
I dunno man, she even did a unique Spartan smile when she saw John again in First Strike. That was definitely flirting.
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>>84396682
And John was all about Linda in First Strike. From when she was mortally wounded in Reach to him trying to extract her in the Uneven Elephant.
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>>84396611
heh
Making Cortana the bad guy in Halo 5 was such a genial move from 343i if they want to destroy the franchise even more

/swco/ is now /hg/
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>>84396704
>Cortana gets nuked
>Lol no, the Didact's ship went into Slipspace
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>>84396698
Though John also ran in front of a Hunter's cannon to protect Kelly, risking his own death.
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>>84396757
>And Didact ends up just beside a Halo perfectly fine
>Oh, now he gets composed
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>>84396773
Then it's pretty clear John is more about "leaving no man behind". He got wounded in his first mission by protecting Sam (Or was it Fred?). Although, John was pretty upset when Linda was wounded and thought she wouldn't make it

New thread btw
>>84396800
>>84396800
>>84396800
>>84396800
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>>84396797
From the commentary on the recently released Vol 1 of Escalation, he apparently wasn't composed somehow. Something else happened to him and they say he'll return eventually. I dunno how much I buy that.
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>>84394939
>Why is that a bad thing? I thought you didn't like nostalgia and pandering,

Rules for cinematography for Star Wars is important, other words the film doesn't look like a Star Wars film. The Falcon scene with Rey and Finn fighting Tie fighters showcases this perfectly when you compare it to the Space fights in the TP/OT/TCW/Rebels.

>What are you referring to?

>Jedi training probe
>12 parsecs
>Leia mentions her being rescued on the Death Star

Just to name a few. It's in your face. JJ did this a lot in Star Trek: Into Darkness as well.

>Vader somehow doesn't cut Luke in half in Episode V.

Vader's swing of his saber cuts a limb off of Luke. It seems only the tip of Kylo's blade cut Finn, which is overly convenient and shows how poor a swordsman he is.

>Killing the central villain in the first installment of the trilogy would be just plain stupid, anon.

Then don't have the ending blow to the battle be her swinging the sword as hard as she can at his head, only to touch it with the tip of her blade. Doesn't make sense.
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