How's Your Webcomic? /hyw/ #291

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Scrub Authors GOODIE Bag

Here’s a short list of sites that any new webcomic artist or writer will find handy:

>*-Struggling to find that perfect FONT? Create your own using this link;
http://www.myscriptfont.com/

>*-Don’t forget to brush up on that ANATOMY:
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
http://www.quickposes.com/pages/timed

>*-What’s a list without some reference STOCK IMAGES?
People: http://senshistock.deviantart.com/gallery/
Scenery: http://www.shutterstock.com/

>*-Here's a big fat compilation of CHARACTER DESIGN REFERENCE:
http://www.pinterest.com/characterdesigh/

>*-Finally, here are some links to get a rough WEBSITE started up:
Easy to use tumblr webcomic theme: https://www.tumblr.com/theme/39018
Do’s and Don’ts for starting a site: http://pastebin.com/kNR2W5mV

>*-Here’s the contact sheet if anyone wants to put information down, like their site and webcomic:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwfOSHXfrgvcf--PkPz9jXL6p5RqIsrYvXYwgQpgT3k/edit#

>*-We also got a SKYPE CHAT room going on,
To join the chat, seek out 'starlinemike' or 'scribblehatch' and they'll add you in.

>*-We also got a DISCORD CHAT going on,
Ask for an invite in the thread.

>Wise words from John Cleese:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ0lck7oo4A

>Invisible Ink:
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_1.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_2.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_3.pdf

>Paper Wings
http://chrisoatley.com/category/podcasts/
https://web.archive.org/web/20140625035030/http://paperwingspodcast.com/

>Fonts for your webcomic on Blambot:
http://www.blambot.com/

>Writing Resources:
http://www.cienciasecognicao.org/rotas/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Robert-McKee-Story.pdf

>Guide to promoting your comic:
http://miss-melee.tumblr.com/post/143483233951/

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Reposting my page from yesterday in case anybody missed it. What do you guys think?

>>84235389
i have only just recently gotten comfortable with the idea of shading on eyes, but THIS much shading on eyes just seems bizarre to me.

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>tfw you're in the zone working on your comic when your mom disrupts your flow by making you go buy groceries

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Chop chop chop.

http://vigormortis.co.uk/

>>84235764
great panel shapes

reposting from last thread, still looking for feedback, probably going to get to work on the next one tonight.
http://www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/undead-and-uneducated/nsfw-ep-4-forgetting-what-its-like/viewer?title_no=32422&episode_no=5

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Changed the thumbnails AGAIN. I've been unwell so everything is taking a bit longer.

>>84236730
Cute!

>>84236285

The dialogue is ok, I guess. At the same time, your word balloons are blurry and look lazily resized. The text looks either resized, or anti aliased. The art, word balloons, text don't really mesh together at all.

The art seems sloppy, rushed, and amateurish. At least 80% of the panels are neck-up 3/4 shots, which is boring. When you're trying other shots/angles/etc they're not terrible (but not great) but I'd recommend some more variety, just for interest's sake.

I only read whatever chapter is on the main page that the link goes to. I didn't even realize the spiky haired character was a female until the end when she took off her shirt.

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figured id share some stuff from lately. comic related, character design, blah blah blah, I'll throw up an unfinished page in a bit too

>>84237126
nice n casual.

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>>84235389
Looking good man!

>>84235764
Choppin' and moppin. kick ass. what do you call those types of weapons again?

>>84236730
Who'd win in a fight? Charle's or Mimi's do?

>>84237126
for a second there i thought it was Rei from Sailor Moon. Lookin real nice. I love me some long haired girls.

Finally finished errands. time for comics. finished rendering, and tweaked the colors a little bit to really bring out the shadows and highlights. I think I'm done with this cover image. What do you guys think?

>>84237366
>rei
funny I thought it was asuka

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Yesterday's first update page.

>>84237366
Sweet.

>>84237366
Mimi would win. Charles isn't a fighter. He's a very tender gentleman.


Cover is also looking fantastic!

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>>84237366
>what do you call those types of weapons again
Looks like a bardiche to me. The hook on the back is a bit atypical, but the blade attaching at two points is very distinct.

>>84237922
maybe a bardiche mutated with a quarter-moon axe

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>tfw no one will ever cosplay your characters

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http://bug-quest.tumblr.com/post/146863413425

I keep meaning to make sure that my designs are good by putting them through multiple renditions but always end up just going with what is more-or-less the first thing that came to my mind.
It's probably because I didn't think to actually design them until a day ago. I guess it still looks kinda cool reguardless.

I remember making a design like a year ago that just had them being pure white glowing figures, which was kind of cool
i think ill go with the less goofy route

>>84235803
Cheers!

>>84237366
That'd be a bardiche.

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>>84238162
>Just smile and wave boys... Just smile and wave...

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>>84238313
how do you feel about furry fans?

>>84238341
Probably the nicest people i've met. I honestly have nothing against furries. Never been given a reason to.

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>tfw no fans

>>84237366
I don't feel the very smooth digital style does the nature brush inking justice. Have you tried textured or textured brushes?

>>84238637
I have not. To be honest i'm still new to digitail color work. I'll look into some when i have a chance

>>84235764
>it's another Vigor Mortis drive-by post

>>84238406
i have a lot, i'm too poor for A/C

>>84238815
Gotta take advantage of stable internet while we have it.

Also: hey, you got a break last week.

>>84238380
yeah generally nice. sometimes utterly childish
and their art is either great, embarrassing, or both

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It's going okay, I just started with mine. I'm not great with colors, so I'm learning as I go.

>>84239635
boars are always good! cute green-eyed auburn-haired lasses in green are also always good.
The only thing that aint great is the difficulty in establishing where the camera's facing. like, the tree he's coming out from behind is identical to the tree she's in front of, but one assumes... not the same tree. not unless it's horseshoe-shaped. and the sky and background are giving no help with that either (though i'm one to talk, i still haven't wrapped my head around the idea that the sky isn't uniform at all times and that it should be different shades in different shots to indicate direction, not time passing)

>>84239635
it looks pretty good so far! a random coloring tip that's been repeated here is try turning your image black and white and see if it still works- colors that are the same darkness but different colors are harder to read cause there's less contrast than you might think

>>84239773
It's the same tree. The tree is big and irregularly shaped. I'm glad you said it was a boar, I showed it to someone else and they had no idea what it was. I can chalk it up to them not knowing what a boar was. I'll try to fix my angles, so the reader can see the positions. Thanks.

>>84239785
Thanks. I'll keep that in mind when coloring.

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can i get a read-through of my first chapter so far? I want to make sure things are working well.

http://www.junkyardheroes.com/archives/comic/chapter-1/page-1

Feelsposting should be a bannable offense.

>>84240024
why?

>>84239079
You've given that same excuse how many times now? You're just here to shill your shit.

>>84235389
Eye shading is genuinely distracting, definitely tone it down. Question mark is unnecessary, alongside the hand gestures and eyes meeting you have 3 factors at play in that panel that express alarm, becomes a little excessive. Other than that, fantastic.

>>84239965
Different anon, I recognized that as a boar right away too.

>>84240034
It's annoying and gay.

>>84240207
but then you'd be banned too

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>>84238684
This is a pretty quick and easy way. Just a texture(s) overlay layer.

>>84239965
well that's one hell of an irregular shape then but i'll take your word for it

>>84240240
And yet, feelsposting is still 1000 x worse.

>>84240250
That looks amazing anon. I'll definetely look into it now. Thanks for that quick example.

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At the end of the last thread, I mentioned we're workin on another issue of Pump-Action Sunset. And here's the layouts for the first 4 pages.

Today's PAS-day, tomorrow's The Sisters day.

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>>84240312
-And here's the references from the last thread too. In case anyone missed em.

>>84240276
Oh no, I definitely need to fix it.

>>84240304
Here's the texture. Which is apparently the largest one I have so I can't post it here.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5m1ms7T-20iSk9kUWdVSkRId2c

>>84240312
>>84240323
I like this so much more than the Sisters. I hate the Sisters, in fact. Because the worldbuilding seems lazy even for urban fantasy, and body horror is a joke, and there's too much dialogue, and the way you update it in "scenes" instead of page by page makes it feel like you didn't structure it like a comic at all but a screenplay and the artist had to shoulder the burden of adapting it to comic form, and the characters often look grotesque and not in a way that is intentional, and the dialogue often contains words and phrases that real people don't say. But this comic is really nice. It's interesting and fresh and the artist's visual style works well for it.

And I like dog costume guy.

>>84240024
it is. report them.

>>84240428
>the dialogue often contains words and phrases that real people don't say.
because you know how everyone in the world talks, right? even east coast trash
and yeah theyre grotesque but i'm prettty sure that's intentional. because they're exaggerations of features i see on real people all the time. gross people that take the bus.

>>84240468
>because you know how everyone in the world talks, right?
Not an argument.

>>84240556
kinda is

>>84240578
It's not, coldfusion.

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Reposting my page from earlier. What do folks think?

>>84240793
i do really like your expressions, but i feel like your attempts to be painterly on skeleton guy's face are just distracting and feel kinda muddy. I feel like you have some value problems there, though the scene is in a dark, rather monochrome place so that might be why. the smoke could use some better blending too imo. I do like your character though.

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Just a pic of Annabeth lusting over something as a little preview for the next animation.

>>84240312
Love your layouts, dude. The snake thrashing about in pages 2 and 3 looks great.

What happened to the apophenia comic

>>84241121
the guy probably wins award for slowest in the thread. he literally works on a comic for weeks

>>84241121
My artist has had to take quite a few days out because of family but we're still working on Apophenia

>>84241313
because he's lazy you mean. you're all fucking lazy and could be working much harder

>>84241313
i had no idea that was an artist-writer team. the two aspects go together so nicely

>>84241550
Not many people do know, and thank you

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I believe in you /hyw/
You can do it if you pour your soul into it.
You will make it!

>>84240914
Can you elaborate on the value issues? I'm admittedly newer to painterly color but I wanna understand what the strengths and weaknesses of this page were in detail.

>>84242152
False, all who post here are doomed.

>>84242367
value issues are when you have too many colors that are the same or too close in darkness. so if it works in black in white it works in color.

your first panel his face's tones feel smudgy, your highlights on his face dont feel like highlights- they feel like stray brushstrokes. and while he's supposed to be all mottled and corpse-y it feels strange.

>>84243033
Gotcha, good notes

>>84241331
I think you're a hard ass faggot, but hey. That's an opinion just like yours.

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WIP. Ideas for helping this page flow/read better?

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>when you realize the view count for the new update is less than the number of hours you put into it

>>84243200
I dig the tones thing, but outlining the areas to be shaded is a very strange look.. now that's an opinion, but more objectively, the 2nd panel is a mess of facial recognition, I can't see where her face is meant to be, all I can see is the under-chin shading looking like a scritchy beard

>>84235424
Yeah, I started shading eyes recently as well, generally when the "camera" is closer to the characters, but it really makes them look nicer.
I just noticed the MM artist does some the same thing I do where only girls get highlights in their hair and guys don't.

>>84243346
I'll look at your update anon. what did you make?

>>84235389
Just a minute ago I decided to click on a random comic from the /hyw/ list, and by chance I clicked on Magical Girl Neil. I thought the magical girl poster on Jackie's room looked weird, but just now by a bizarre coincidence I got the reference.
Pretty subtle, the best kind of reference

>>84243465
welcome to the threads
this is a shitposter. he does this dozens of times every thread. just report it.

>>84243465
Not that anon, but seeing as I have 23 followers, I'd love it if you'd look at my update.
http://cosmic-tales.tumblr.com/page/6

Frankly, though, I'm pretty motivated by the current shit state of things.

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Hey guys, I think I may be retarded, however I tried to use the tumblr web comic layout, the SWC one, and I failed. I followed every instruction and somehow it doesn't convert.

What do.

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no speech bubbles.

just art and shit.

>>84243820
Bruh, I'm fucking loving this silver age vibe this has got going.

>>84244090
Thanks, and thanks for looking.

How do I maximise my attention on Tumblr, other than by interacting with other people?

i.e. tags and whatnot, how do they work

>>84244872
@Fuck me in my follower button.

And there you go.

>>84240004
Hey, I really liked it! I feel like you do action really well. However, your art has some problems. your tones get too samey and it feels like you're relying on tone and some messy hatching rather than just using solid blacks in places where it'd be appropriate.

As far as plot and flow go, it seems to be going pretty well. I understand what's going on. your most recent page has some bad spacing errors and im not sure how successful those dot tones are but. you do action really well and I'm kind of holding out for that. Is this your first comic? its pretty solid, all things considered.

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apocolipse girlfriends... again!

>>84243820
I made my comic for fun and am always excited to work, but having a low follower base makes it a little hard to feel happy bout working.

>>84244014
It looks cool. I want more, anon.

>>84235441

>tfw in zone and holding in a piss so long you start to worry about bladder infections but can't decide whether to risk it or go

>>84239635

Boar snout colour is too close to tree trunk colour.

Otherwise, looking good.

>>84245780
well that's kind of the point innit. wouldnt do for a boar to be electric yellow, everything would see him comin..

>>84245900

Doesn't have to be Sonichu-boar. It's just a good idea to separate the foreground from the background elements, especially when working with colour.

>>84246024
just sayin. if you're drawing something camouflaged, it's probably not going to stand out as much as one would ideally like when drawn in its natural habitat. thankfully the basic conceipts of typical drawing (especially outlines, flat colors, and cel shading) help a lot.

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>>84245308
Oh, I going to show you my tumblr later.

Right now, I feel like taking a nap and junk.

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Current progress

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>people tell me to draw more than just shots above the shoulders, but I feel like I cant draw anything below the chest.

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Been getting 100-150 readers a day for almost a week now and it feels good, but I already feel like it's either going to drop off or stagnate.

What can I do to generate discussion amongst fans? To make them want to share my comic with friends and others across the internet rather than just being another title in their pile of bookmarks?

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>>84247279
jew it out on reddit

>>84247150
better do a comic about a bunch of talking sculpture busts, sitting on some collector's shelf

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>tfw you're afraid your fetishes are too obvious in your webcomic

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>>84247502
I'm not saying I can't make body shots, I just mainly copy from design doll and other references, and Its always a pain.

>>84247570
Learn to draw figures. There is no shortcut. The internet is full of resources. There is bound to be something that suits your learning style.
For me books, the gesture drawing site links in the OP; demonic compulsiveness, and honestly, being trapped inside all winter with a broken right leg helped me build a base.

The books I used (use) were Vilppu- Drawing Manual; Loomis- Figure Drawing for All it's Worth; Bridgeman: 100 Hands; Strutural Anatomy.
And by used, I mean I drew every muscle chart and excercise in all of them- most of them way more than one time (I have many newsprint pads full of anatomy/muscle charts. Bridgeman is what I draw now when I need to focus or warm up. I fucking love Bridgeman.
Anyway it won't learn itself.

That's probably not what you wanted to hear.

>>84237418
Get in the damn robot /hyw/

>>84247570
You really should focus on fixing your anatomy because it looks like putrid autistic dog shit.

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>>84240312
>>84240323
I've said it in the last thread and I'll say it again: those are the most interesting character designs I've seen in /hyw/ and really nice lines too.
Any chance you could post some more? Or a 'mothman' doodle?
Thanks in advance!

>>84242431
Except, you know, those who can actually draw like >>84237366, Mimi, some of the hiveworks guys and of course those who just do it for fun.

>>84240004
It's interesting. Although the premise is a little bit cliche it was a good read. Keep working on your art (it's allready prett good for a webcomic but it looks like there's a lot of potential). Your paneling is good, keep it up. Also I'd recommend you to read comics / manga with a similar setting like desert punk, Alita and fist of the north star for refference.

The plot hole joke looks like it could have been really funny but doesn't work because that's not what a 'plot hole' is, technically speaking, it's a plot device - an object of event inserted into the story to force a new development.

>>84247530

Just roll with it.

>>84247150
you also can't draw anything above the chest though. how old are you?

>>84248349
>Mimi,
You know not enough people call her out for just drawing the same poses

>>84247570
i think you have been posting that same pic for a week, you should really listen to what this anons are telling you


but the part that bothers me the most about your drawing is actually not you anatomy, your colors are terrible dude you have no idea of how to shade stuff and there are even some little white spaces


after you finish improving your anatomy please watch this video it will teach you how to properly use your color wheel and basic color theory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh12RA3ha0U

could someone post a fresh discord invite, pls?

>>84249180
I genuinely like Socks. She's a sweetheart and has a good comic on her hands; But she needs to work on her PR.
I understand how frustrating the constant suggestions/critique can be - You can't be all things to all people - But it's just a part of being a public creator. A huge part. You have to learn to reply with a little grace instead of snapping at people.

>>84247150
For extra terror use dynamic angles.

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I made this within like an hour because I was bored
Rate my awfulness

Basic planning is done! this is the list of scenes, they will take multiple pages to tell.

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>>84250304
fuck me i'm retarded

>>84250304
>>84250313
Holy shit why don't I do this
I really need to, thanks for the idea

>>84250321
Always do this, plan out the entire story before you begin, or you'll write yourself into a corner.

A good example of a comic that is planned out is Sakana

http://www.sakana-comic.com/

revelations about a character most of the way through justify a whole reread of all his scenes, it changes how he's interpreted entirely. without preplanning this kind of stuff is impossible.

>>84250353
No not like that, it's like for the smaller things

Like I know exactly how my story is gonna pull through, but I need exact things to happen between those things and reasons for all of it to happen

>>84250373
ideally you should write the whole comic with stick figures before you start the actual drawing. ideally. if you have a whole arc. comics are just books with pictures really.

>>84250411
I've written the entire thing in my hear basically, which is probably my problem
Like I know what im gonna do every panel, its just that I also want to make sure the comic isn't just like 20 pages long, because I could easily sum up the whole story within 20 pages

And yeah I do actually draft out every page before I do it, but are you talking about drafting out the entire arc beforehand? I could do that too if it really helps that much

>>84250353
Sakana sounds like a portuguese swear word, "sacana".
Pretty nice art on these comics, btw.

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What's your general opinion /hyw/ threads?

Did it help you with your art / to get motivation?
Did you pick up any other anons webcomic? Are you still reading them?
Are we having these threads too often / what could be improved?

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>>84250903
>What's your general opinion /hyw/ threads?
Each one had different flavours, but overall, they're good for what they're supposed to do

>Did it help you with your art / to get motivation?
Pic related, yes

>Did you pick up any other anons webcomic? Are you still reading them?
Got a few under the bag I wouldn't found other way, so yes again

>Are we having these threads too often / what could be improved?
Less shitposting like this probably would help, but since it's all up to each individual poster, I don't think it will happen, so I just shrug it off.
The good still surpasses the shit, and people have tried to shit as much as they could, so I still think it'll be fine.

There's always the option to leave the threads again if they get worse, I sure did that for a while before.

>>84250903
>What's your general opinion /hyw/ threads?
They're great! They can be very helpful and have helped me out a bunch!
>Did it help you with your art / to get motivation?
I'm a writer, but as far as writing help goes I've definitely gotten a good little bit from these threads. Motivation, no. I've always had plenty of motivation inside of me.
>Did you pick up any other anons webcomic?
Are you still reading them?
Carrion Girls, Green Knight, and Monsterous Mimi, and yes. I check all three outside of /hyw/ and I'm glad /hyw/ exists because I doubt I would have discovered any of them otherwise.
>Are we having these threads too often / what could be improved?
No, and nothing. These threads are great!

>>84250998
>be comicwriter

Such is true suffering. Have you succeeded in finding an artist to team up with? I have shelves upon shelves of both finished scripts and concepts amassed over the years but despite my best efforts never found an artist.

Occasionally someone in these thread (mostly beginners) will ask where to find artists but it always seems to come down to:
-you need to just happen to have a good friend who can draw
-pay moneys

>>84251074
>Have you succeeded in finding an artist to team up with?
Yes, this is my comic: >>84235389

>>84243693
Take a look at the latest page of Magical Girl Neil too.

>>84247279
Put it on comic rocket.

>>84249573
Has she snapped at anybody or been defensive? All I've really seen her talk about are her gags, and she seems to both really want and usually fairly take any feedback she gets there.

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>>84250903
>What's your general opinion /hyw/ threads?

Very positive. Some threads are slow but that's bound to happen; overall they're great for starting artists to bounce character designs or ideas back and forth. As well as to get general comments on how to improve one's art; what they're less good at is on more story-specific criticism, but that's hard to do in an anonymous message board.

>Did it help you with your art / to get motivation?

Most definitely. I've improved tremendously since I started largely thanks to them and it's nice to have a second opinion whenever I finish a page in case I miss something. Pic related is a good example of page which was MUCH improved thanks to a comment here. Plus, it definitely DOES get you motivated when you see what other anons are able to do; motivated to make something that is perhaps AS good in it's own way.

>Did you pick up any other anons webcomic? Are you still reading them?

I did; I'm actually genuinely surprised at the quality of some of the comics here. There's a couple I enjoy more than comics which get regular threads on /co/.
I really did not expect a rather minor board on 4chan to have people this skilled.

>Are we having these threads too often / what could be improved?

I think it's good to always have one on in case people need help. As far as what could be improved; we tried a bunch of things but everything gets old after a while: Thread Webcomics got some discussion going but people weren't too interested. Thread Topics were a step up but again, we eventually ran out of interesting topic to talk about. Thread Activities/Challenges were the best, but obviously we're run out of interesting activities eventually
Perhaps is it's better to let the discussion play itself, but I do miss Thread Activities
I think an image list of (long running) /co/ webcomics separated by genre would be nice; but that might be too much of a challenge since many go on and off and some posters just drop by for a few pages.

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here's the latest Space Cunts

Discord invite?

>>84251106
>Take a look at the latest page of Magical Girl Neil too.

I saw it, I remember that cameo being posted here, I just didn't look up which comic it was at the time. So... when are we going to get the magical girl arc on Miss Melee?

>>84251074
>all these writers in need of an artist
>be an artist interested in teaming up with a writer
>but also a huge autist and worried about not being good enough
Fuck!

>>84251669
post art

>>84237922
>>84238061
Judging by the length, it seems to be more of a glaive. Bardiches from what I've seen have a much shorter pole, while glaives have long poles, but with a similar axe head.

Did you draw a 4th of July holiday picture for your comic /hyw/?

Why not? Do you hate America?

>>84251805
I'm not going to, not because of any hatred of America (i dont) but because it would be out of place for my comic. I'd only break the setting for silly april fools shit

>>84251773
Really? I've always thought of glaives as basically long-knives-on-sticks, rather than axe-bladed, and with a socket more reminiscent of a spear than an axe. You're right that it's very long for a bardiche, though.

>>84251805
Man, I wouldn't even put in a strip celebrating the independence of my own country. If I had to start making pictures for every silly national holiday out there, I'd never get anything done.

>>84252036
What's your country?

>>84248349
You seem to have a type of art you prefer anon. That's ok. But maybe you should acknowledge you have a bias.

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>>84252125

>>84249152
Underaged ban.

>>84252036
>Really? I've always thought of glaives as basically long-knives-on-sticks, rather than axe-bladed, and with a socket more reminiscent of a spear than an axe. You're right that it's very long for a bardiche, though.

It could just be me fanboying over something i don't really know much about outside of Dark Souls. The glaive in 3 pretty much looks exactly like that picture

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WIP of the next page!

We get a little bit of C.O.R.E. development here.
don't get used to that.

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>>84252358
This thing?
Yeah, it's definitely a bardiche. Souls is a great series, but they really can't into polearm terminology, like the black knight "halberd" from DaS 1 (actually a glaive) or the winged knight "halberd" from DaS 3 (actually a voulge). The in-game description of this calls it both a halberd and a scythe, too.

>>84252237
I'm gonna guess Denmark.

>>84252523
Why Denmark?

>>84252566
Why not?

>>84252493
It's definitely whatever will get you nerds to stop quibbling over something that doesn't matter.

>>84252591
There's a lot of countries out there, Anon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_and_their_capitals_in_native_languages

>>84252696
I think >>84252036 is Carrion Girls Guy and I think he's Danish.

>>84252493
Yeah, I'm willing to admit Souls isn't accurate in the slightest. Polearms are still my overall favorite types of weapons

>>84252605
I wouldn't say the discussion we're having is quibbling.

>>84252807
Oh, because of the history autism. Why Danish, though?

>>84251422
god save the queen

>>84252826
quib·ble
ˈkwibəl/
verb
argue or raise objections about a trivial matter.

>>84252865
He's Scandinavian for sure and I swear I remember him saying he was specifically Danish in an old thread.

>>84251669
I'll team up with you in the blink of an eye, I'm absolutely serious. There is no way you suck more at drawing than I and I have confidence enough in my material while at the same time being anxious to finally get a webcomic started. In fact, a few of my concepts I developed with the idea in mind that they'll work with very basic art, avoiding difficult backgrounds and proportions.

So if you're actually interested we can exchange info (I'll give you my email) and see if a team-up could work. I write mostly sci-fi and a bit slice of life so if that's your general derection, that would be great.

>>84253086
>I remember him saying he was specifically Danish in an old thread.
Are you sure?
I generally prefer leaving my nationality vague to lying outright. (I don't think the Danes even have an independence day)

>>84253457
Why would you lie about your nationality, Ricardo?

>>84253392
Sounds good I'll give you my email
[email protected]

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Cold, when you see this, I'm in need of your feedback. Which one of these three look better for you?

>>84240066
Not that anon, but what's wrong with that?

>>84253457
>Are you sure?
95% positive.

>>84253632
>bonerlover82

I hope you're not having a laff at my expense and this only sound like a joke adress, anon...
Anyway, here's mine: [email protected]

>>84253509
Because I like being anonymous, anon.

>>84253750
Huh, strange. Do you remember the context?

>>84253761
Lol I'm another anon not the same guy, I was just fucking with y'all my b.

>>84240066
Two or three (about as many times as you've commented, although we've been posting pages for a while beforehand), but it's still true.

Also we're both more lurkers than posters/post as anon if we do. We're happy to contribute but I generally don't think I have much to add to what's already being said.

I guess just hide the pages if you don't want to see them? We're hoping for feedback here more than anything.

>>84253761
I can't believe someone would actually consider 'bonerlover82' a legitimate email address, especially on 4chan.

>>84253821
>We're hoping for feedback here more than anything
Funny, you never ask for it.

>>84253812
I don't precisely remember the context of the conversation, I think it had to do with Scandinavian countries talking shit on other Scandinavian countries? It was weeks ago now.

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>>84253816
j-just a prank, I'm fine

>>84253839
hope is a treacherous thing

>>84253849
Isn't posting here at all an implication you want feedback? Again, not that anon, but I don't see the problem with just posting pages when you can.

>>84253849
Pretty much as >>84253952 said.

>>84253636
Redux 2 but less boob sock.

Not coldfusion but as an artist.

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>>84251689
I'm trying to draw more things that aren't people.

>>84250903
>General Opinion
Negative. At one time it was positive and there was life and purpose, but it has given way to circlejerkery and cliquishness. Which is a natural progression but I will always prefer barbarism to civilization.
>Did it help you with your art/motivation?
It did once. I could overlook the idiocy and just enjoy the idea of having people to impress. And often times many were, which made me happy.
>Did you pick up any other anons webcomics? Are you still reading them?
Yes. There are a few I like to read.
>Are we having these threads too often/what could be improved?
I don't know. It was a slow and gradual death. I gain nothing from being here anymore and save for someone trying to snake their way into my creative process I've already made friends with the few people worthy of it elsewhere. I don't have to worry about contacts.

>>84254208
ok scribblehatch

>>84254334
Oh snap.

>>84250903
>general opinion
Ambivalent. The worst posters seem to live in the threads, but there are a few good ones. And being able to talk shop with actual writers/artists without all the baggage of wearing a name myself is fun.

>did it help?
With working? Not nearly as much as I'd like. It's probably been a drag on me if anything. Not sure I'm really here for help though, much as I appreciate it when there's any to be had.

>do you read other anon's webcomics?
Yeah. There's a few really good ones here and there.

>improvements?
I'd like if we could get back to featuring, activities, and getting actual criticism. It'd also be nice if the worst posters just fucking left.

On an unrelated note, anybody know any good webcomic reviewers or sites for that?

>>84254202
post people

>>84254420
I would like to see activities return as well. But I can rarely do them because I'm simply too busy.

>>84254334
bad form dude

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Would you buy it?

>>84251669
Are you me, anon? I'm also afraid to team up with a writer because I'm very picky about what I draw and I have a lot of work obligations and illnesses that make me late/lax on every goddamn thing. Speaking of depression, I'm going to go have a drink.

>>84254489
It'd be interesting to pick ones that are interactive, non-art based, or integrate whatever you're already working on.

So for posting/writing ones:
"OP will anonymously crit any who ask," "Review the comic of someone who has posted today," "Speculate about where a comic you read might be going."

For integrated/low art burden stuff:
"Show us your model sheets. Or make one to show." "Roughly map the setting of your current chapter." "Share, borrow, and crit pallets." "Share and crit silhouettes of characters you haven't introduced." "Show us old thumbs." "Share emptied panel grids."

>That feeling of giving up when you have an idea to draw yet someone has drawn it 10 times better than you

What do I do now?

>>84254788
Draw something else.

>>84254740
>Share, borrow, and crit pallets
or
>post your color palette and have /hyw/ try to guess what comic you draw

>>84254863
Guessing games could be fun too.

Applying that to silhouette exercises, we could play "who's that pokemon?" with hwy. Hell, it could be a fun OP image for a couple of threads.

>>84254995
>replacing the classic /hyw/ OP image
>ever

>>84255026
We used to have pages of peoples' comics in the OP. Different comics every week. People got a lot of feedback and interest from that. Conversation was more focused on actual comics. It was nice. The big read stamp doesn't really do much for the OP.

Also, if thread activities are intermittent, a different OP pic would be an easy way to highlight that today's an activity day.

>>84250903
>What's your general opinion /hyw/ threads?
When they began way back when, neutral/positive. Negative now.

>Did it help you with your art / to get motivation?
It's motivating to work alongside other people who are also working on things. No help with my art, though, as I rarely ever receive comments or critique. But I learn from what is said about others' work occasionally.

>Did you pick up any other anons webcomic? Are you still reading them?
A few, yes, and it's those same few that always get named by others.

>Are we having these threads too often / what could be improved?
Less threads less often, maybe bring back activities, I'm not sure. I genuinely don't want to be associated with these threads anymore because the caliber of dialogue and artwork being posted has, for the most part, gone down. I'm slowly phasing out posting here at all because, as another anon said, any peers I've found here I've established outside connections with by now.

>>84255229
I was the guy that did like half or more of the critiques back in the day.

Our garbage posters kind of turned me off it. Both by flooding the thread with garbage so it was hard to find the posts I could help with, and by bitching any time anybody got any fucking crits.

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>>84254484
See image.

>>84254676
You are probably you, but I share the sentiment about work ethic and deadlines.

>>84255313
Yeah, I used to give crits too until it would derail the thread. People would say I was being "too harsh" or "not including enough positive feedback." A lot of the stuff here is abysmally bad and it is genuinely difficult to pull more than a nugget of good out of them.

It used to not be such a "graduate" system. There was a range of skill levels, then at some point people became convinced that once you hit a certain level that you were "too good" to post here and that continuing to do so was a testament to how bad your comic "actually" is. As a result, most of the professional - or nearly professional - comics have disappeared from these threads.

>>84255585
>As a result, most of the professional - or nearly professional - comics have disappeared from these threads.
I miss that guy who made all the 4chan anniversary pictures, his webcomic looked really cool and I can't even remember what it's called.

>>84255585
>at some point people became convinced that once you hit a certain level that you were "too good" to post here and that continuing to do so was a testament to how bad your comic "actually" is
That was around the time the really awful comics started to be belligerently posted in the threads.

But the discussion of "what went wrong?" is almost as cancerous as the shit comics like Dewd's so we should move on.

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4u

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>>84255585
>People would say I was being "too harsh" or "not including enough positive feedback."
So you were critiquing Scribblehatch and/or Dewd. Because those are the only people who would respond like that. And that's your mistake. You gave attention to easily the two worst people in /hyw/ history.

And it's not as if this is any new behavior for /hyw/. Look how old this is.

>>84255674
>But the discussion of "what went wrong?" is almost as cancerous as the shit comics like Dewd's so we should move on.

Today at least it comes from a place of wondering what can be done about it. I can get back to critting people more often if it'll bring things closer to how they've been. Can't speak for the other critic who's joined the discussion. Either way I hardly see encouraging people to get more technical again as being that bad.

Dammit guys now I feel bad for posting my art here because apparently these threads are really bad and will taint me by association.

>>84255752
Coldfusion white knights everybody anonymously. Dude got mad when fucking Scandy got crits even after she asked for them. And he's here all the fucking time.

>>84255815
It's 4 posters. Everybody else is fine.

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I recently commissioned an artist I met on another board to compose the soundtrack to my animations/comic. I think it sounds good but wanted to get some outside opinions since I'm musically retarded. Here's the first full track he's sent me. I takes a little while to build up which I'll discuss with him but other than that I think it will work.

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0r0U5jrsrnx

>>84255815
How so? I personally feel like these threads have helped me immensely.

>>84255985
seemsl ike it fits what you're trying to do. but it's kinda gay, like Dr. Mario music

>>84255841
I wish all these retarded tripfags would put their trips back on. But even they know that they're so retarded they don't want their posts to be associated with their name.

>>84256019
What do you mean gay? I don't even know how I'm supposed to process or react to that.

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>>84255985
>tfw no one will ever make a soundtrack for your comic

>>84250903
>What's your general opinion /hyw/ threads?
It has its moments and its trolls.

>Did it help you with your art / to get motivation?
No. I am more of a helper. Generally when I post stuff I get shit on. Nothing that has to do with actual critique I can change. I'm used to that though so I don't take it personally.

>Did you pick up any other anons webcomic? Are you still reading them?

No. My standards are too high.

>Are we having these threads too often / what could be improved?
No / Nothing we have control over.

>>84256091
happy in a fairy way, like you could imagine pixel pixies dancing to it. or maybe dr. mario

>>84255985
The far background elements don't seem to have consistent perspective with the foreground.

Check the line on that column next to the stuff right next to it. Also the ball is sort of "above" us but it seems like we see a lot of its front and not a lot of its bottom.

The teetering mass on the right is probably fine, since we don't have as many nearby cues showing it to be wrong. But the screens on it have parallel vertical lines even though they recede vertically.

Also, purple hazy background is okay, but something light green and desaturated might have been cooler. Upper reds and blues would contrast better with that than with the nearby purple hue. And letting stuff be a lighter value where the haze is thicker at the bottom would have separated the foreground from the background, and made those dark antennas and stuff stand out more.

Finally, just check your values and perspective in general. I've probably missed other places that could use some work.

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>>84250903
What's your general opinion /hyw/ threads?

Overhwlmingly positive.
These threads are as useful as the individual poster makes them.

Did it help you with your art / to get motivation?
Not just yes, but fuck yes. I was always motivatd to draw, but these threads helped me improve and channel that motivation in a better direction.

Did you pick up any other anons webcomic? Are you still reading them?
Yes.
Are we having these threads too often / what could be improved?
The worst part of the threads quite honestly aside from the endless middle-school shitposting, is the variance in expectations as to its premise and purpose.
Also, Ive found it is a good idea to limit how much time one spends here.


Anyway, I'm working on silver age style character pin up/information pages to post between updated. Pic realated.

>>84250507
it's japanese for fish. i bet that was really funny when portugal and japan first met

>>84251422
can't get enough of this

>>84256358
I'm a sucker for women in superhero costumes. You're doing God's work.

>>84252378
6. function*
wait.. why did she call core sam?
I would remove the first 'you' in panel 8
is her ponytail missing in panel 9?
angel is cute as ballllls

>>84252605
it's fun! we like nerding out over weapons

>>84256478
I spent like half an hour just thinking about her ass.

>>84256532
not long enough

>>84253636
the main differences I'm noticing are the cape and the hair. the first two have the hair closer to how I originally drew it (though the bottom bits stuck up higher) which I definitely still like, and makes her more distinct from the others. the cape.. i don't think she would wear a high-collared dr strange cape, so I'd go with the 2nd one. which you have marked as 'original'
that said you should probably keep the spider legs like they are in redux2, they're simpler and easier to draw, and more realistic really.
and i fucking love how you did her pants, i'm stealing that for her next appearance

>>84256538
There's always room for improvement. Thanks for the feedback.

>>84256297
You missed the point dude, I was asking for input about the music I linked. I appreciate the critique on the image itself but I can't justify redrawing it to that extent since it will only be used in the background of an animation for 10 seconds max and wont even be viewed in it's entirety, just in small segments (the image is so long vertically because the camera will pan down it) it was also my first practice with perspective, I'm working on another background currently I'll try and do better with since it will be far more prominent but right now I'm mainly worried about making sure the music sounds fitting. I will try and use green instead of purple though, I do appreciate the input, just not for that specific piece right now.

>>84256294
Oh, ok. I see what you mean, thanks for clarifying. I'll try and see if he can make it a little more foreboding.

>>84256118
I'm paying him, it's not luck or my own skill it's just money.

>>84256652
I figured you weren't going to rework it, as it's so far along. Just also figured the info would be useful for next time.

Music's fine, if a little on the nose and... I want to say muddy or fuzzy? Muffled? And the slow bit around 1:22 isn't doing it for me. I'm no musician though, so I can't really tell you what to do about all that if anything.

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>>84256544
Wasn't fond of the cape at all, but I decided to try different options, just in case. I did a little re-draw on Redux 2, see how you like it. If you still prefer the original, I can do some fixing on the legs and the head that I didn't like.

I can also remove the cape from Redux 2 if needed. Since this is for you, I'd like you to have the last word about it.

>>84254599
i thought it was going to be a joke on characters who are ostensibly wearing helmets but you can still see their face because it'd be lame if you couldnt

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Fanart for the Apophenia comic.

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>tfw an online friend tells you they're going to draw fanart of your comic but you know it's going to be really shitty, but you try to sound excited and happy but they end up never doing it
Was it all just a pointless farce of social niceties from both sides? What is the point of living like this?

>>84255229
so why are you still here?

>>84250000
Fuck, no one?
C'mon just say the thing sucks or give me some criticism or some shit.
I'd love some criticism because my friends are too nice to say if I suck or not

I even got quads man. Fucking quads

>>84257289
Old habits die hard. I've been posting on 4chan for a few years and it is a habit to check the boards a few times a day. My goal is to post and lurk less frequently until I don't at all.

>>84250000
>>84257477
Alright.

I'm generally not a fan of applying "camera" effects like the blurring of the sun in comics that rely on thick lines and simple shapes and stuff. It's okay here, but might work better if the outer lines on the sun weren't black? Maybe use orange lines in that frame? I'm not sure. Just decide if you agree with me and fuck around with it if you do.

The design of the foreground character seems like it's waffling between being geometric and organic and I don't know that that's really working. Especially on the... I guess it's a fuse. Or where the arms meet the body.

The gradient on the foreground character is a little baffling and makes some of your linework near invisible, depending on the brightness of my screen.

I'm not sure why the coronal blobs have shadows instead of outlines. And the cloud shapes are bizarre. The weird concavity that they all have (and I'm seeing now that they're all the same cloud) doesn't look very cloud like.

I'm not really sure you've thought about the values in your comic in general. For example panel 2 has this weird dim background for seemingly no reason.

The text boxes are a good call. The tapering corners of the panels are interesting, but I'm not a fan of having that thick inner cross and those thin outer borders.

Oh, and didn't laugh at the gag. I'm probably not the go to guy for gags though.

>>84257477

The style is unappealing (at least to me) and the joke isn't really funny, unless I'm missing some previous setup, or something.

There's just nothing to really say. Its wholly unnoteworthy.

>>84257477
That's true, nice quads.

The art is really bad. The gradient is unappealing, the color values are poorly chosen, the style itself is unappealing (even for a cartoony amateur webcomic), the character design is unappealing, the font /dialogue boxes are unappealing.

The whole thing is just not that good, but not that bad either. The joke was entertaining.

>>84256998
iunno i just like a cape in general. traditionally jyourougumo wear billowy japanesey clothes that could conceivably hide the folded up spider legs, neatly dodging the question of whether they retract and whether that makes any sense. a cape gives them a place to hide too. but a high collar just gets in the way, yknow? it's only really good for dramatic wizardy sorts.
it's up to you dude, i love how much fun youre having

>>84257256
you dont have to fake excitement. and if they never did it, that's great
the point is being encouraging and making everything better, because the better everything is for everyone, the better they are for you too
>>84257580
fair enough.

GUYS!

What if Dewd's comic is actually really good, and WE'RE the ones who are wrong???

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>>84257720
>>84257727
>>84257736
Thanks niggas
I'll try harder next time probably
Also the joke is more of an inside joke so that's probably why its not funny. I got myself to blame for that

Honestly I put very little effort into making this thing. It was more of a way to show off my artstyle because someone in the last thread told me to show them my stuff

>>84258035
>unoriginal copycat designs stolen from whatever media he's currently consuming
>art that looks like it came out of special ed arts and crafts
>$0 on patreon
Right, it's a hidden gem that's actually brilliant.

>>84258035
>>84258161
or maybe it's just okay and you need to stop giving it attention it doesn't deserve

>>84258177
>or maybe it's just okay
Wrong.
>you need to stop giving it attention it doesn't deserve
Right.

>>84256510
>>k

>>84258499
Obviously I've never linked a board before.

>>84258575
>>/b/

>>84258575
I took it to mean "okay"

>>84258136
>Also the joke is more of an inside joke so that's probably why its not funny. I got myself to blame for that

Its never really a good idea to put an inside joke in a comic that only three or four people in your circle of friends will understand, into a comic that is meant to hopefully reach a huge audience. If almost no one is going to get the reference, why tell the joke?

>Honestly I put very little effort into making this thing.

Not really something you want to do. You want to make content that everyone (or at least an extensive audience) can enjoy, right?

Anyway, keep at it anon.

>>84258161

But hey, he got a book deal,

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>>84258894
>Its never really a good idea to put an inside joke in a comic that only three or four people in your circle of friends will understand
Made the comic for a friend so I can have an excuse to also post it here. That sun person is kindof his online persona. He lives in Norway, thus the cold joke because the sky is now Norway.

>You want to make content that everyone (or at least an extensive audience) can enjoy, right?
Yeah, and there is more serious yet also more autistic stuff I draw which I actually post places.
The reason I drew that is that not only do I get to post it here, but also nobody can reverse image search it and find all my serious stuff, because that's the stuff that I don't want /co/ of all places criticizing because I'd take it personally

>>84259088
easily fixed. give the sun a norwegian accent or hat or something.

>>84258894
>Its never really a good idea to put an inside joke in a comic that only three or four people in your circle of friends will understand, into a comic that is meant to hopefully reach a huge audience. If almost no one is going to get the reference, why tell the joke?
It's fine if you do it in a way that people who don't get the joke either won't notice or it won't impact the rest of the comic.

>>84258934
Well to be fair, anyone can get a book deal with Blutrinity if they got the dosh for it.

>>84259241
surely it doesn't charge them anything

Question, just how important is the 180 rule? Are there any ways to switch the positions of my characters on the panel without confusing my readers?

>>84259305
It's right there on their website anon
http://blutrinitypublishing.com/our-pricing

>>84259336
It's really important to the sorts of people who concern themselves with tangents and the crossbars on capital Is and such
those of us paying more attention to things like perspective and proportion don't give any fucks.

That said, yeah you should always try not to be confusing. If their positions are particularly important, and if the background is samey, then try to put some thought into that.
Still, even live action productions have people randomly switch places and it never bothers anyone

>>84256652
instead of focusing on music you should focus on your drawing skills

>>84259336
In film, a character can physically cross the frame or a scene can change. In comics, panel layouts and page shifts can sometimes excuse changing the position of a character in the frame as well.

Gimme a thumbnail or something and I can give more specific advice, though.

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>meant to work on my webcomic
>ended up watching a marathon of Shark Tank

>>84259363
huh, i was looking specifically for that when they were first brought up, and didn't see it.
Well that's... I can't judge it because the services listed make no sense.

>>84259428
>not watching twilight zone marathon

I just got like 5 new story ideas watching this.

>>84259408
>those of us paying more attention to things like perspective and proportion don't give any fucks.

I didn't know Aaron Diaz posted in these threads.

No amount of technical drawing skill really excuses garbage paneling, balloon placement, cinematography, or pacing.

>>84259408
>It's really important to the sorts of people who concern themselves with tangents and the crossbars on capital Is and such

The rules for this are simple as fuck though.

You're probably a person who gets confused at when to use "to" and "too."

>>84259471
didn't say it excuses it, but only a moron would pay attention to those while they still had technical issues in their art.

>>84259488
>anyone who doesn't do what i tell them must be too stupid to do it!
i bet you don't end sentences in prepositions

>>84259496
Except that those things are technical issues in your art if you are making comics. Anything that renders your comic less readable is fucking important.

Never mind the absurdity of reserving starting one skill for after you've mastered another. Or the fact that applying simple guidelines to panel/object placements requires very little actual time and won't detract from your studies almost at all.

>>84259559
they're on entirely different tiers. anyone notices basic art mistakes, almost nobody gives a shit about things like the 180 rule or any of that other nitpicky cinematography stuff

>>84259520

It isn't a rule I personally made up, you nitwit.

Its just how English works.

So it either isn't your first language, or you're just being a contrarian faggot sticking it to 'da man.

>>84259496
There will ALWAYS be technical issues with everyone's art though, you're never at a level where you're absolutely perfect.

>>84259610
have you seriously not noticed that almost half of contrarians stickin' it to the man are right?
>>84259624
well there's a point where i can't tell anymore. obviously that point is different for everyone.

>>84259656
>have you seriously not noticed that almost half of contrarians stickin' it to the man are right?

>Scratches neck beard
>Shifts katana
>Tips fedora

Preach on, my brother.

>>84259676
yeah those are the ones who aren't. did you think they just magically appeared out of nowhere?
they're an imitation of ones who are correct. their motivation is trying to be like them.

>>84259600
If you break the fold on a webcomic with your panel sequence all the time, people are going to fucking notice how often they scroll up. A lot more frequently than perspective errors.

In fact you can cheat perspective pretty heavily and people will give no fucks as long as most of what you're drawing consists of organic shapes. Also many of the most read comics have horrible perspective. Heads almost universally lack a lower plane for example. It bothers me to no end because I'm one of those assholes who goes to life drawing classes years after graduating from art school, but no one else cares.

>>84259693
>break the fold
the fuck is that? yet another made up rule?

>>84259710
The fold is the line between stuff you have to scroll down for and the stuff you don't online. It's a term borrowed from newspaper printing where there was an actual fold.

So if you have a tall comic and the left side has one long pillar panel with dialogue at the top and bottom, and the right side is panels scrolling down, the reader will scroll down, up, and down again to read it. Something similar happens a few times early on in Guilded Age IIRC.

>>84259710
>>84259754
I was going to berate you for not googling it, but I'm finding the term more obscure than I realized. For whatever that's worth.

>>84259754
ohhhh yeah i'm with you there m8. that is definitely something to avoid.
hell i think whether or not you have to scroll down (which is, of course, highly dependent on the individual user's browser and resolution and size settings and shit), it's still bad in general having one long pillar panel with dialogue at the top and bottom.. and in general, pillars shouldn't have more than two panels next to them. if even that.

>>84259785
yeah i did google it and i couldnt find anything.

>>84259600
Just because people who haven't practiced paying attention don't notice doesn't mean it doesn't influence them.

Just like an unclear sequence of panels, fucking up stuff like tangents and the 180 rule won't necessarily make your comic instantly unreadable, but it will make it more unpleasant and janky because the reader has to take extra time to decipher what's going on.
The moment it takes to reorient yourself and re-establish where characters are in the shot, or to go "hey, that shape is part of a totally different character than I first thought" breaks the pacing you intended for the page to have and brings the reader out of the experience.

>>84259807
Yeah. And at first, paneling and cinematography can be learned in very easy tips and rules like that. Basic competency doesn't require nearly as much grinding as art, so "giving no fucks" about those little things when you encounter them just because your perspective is bad (or whatever) really doesn't make any sense to me.

>>84259870
I feel that those things CAN be confusing, but I don't think they are automatically. They should be involved in troubleshooting only when a problem has been detected, not something to avoid on principle.
>>84259874
perhaps I exaggerated

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too depressed to make anything today. feel like shit. here's a thing I made yesterday.

>>84259949
I think you have potential. I'm seeing improvements in each thing you post. once you get those fundamentals down you'll be well on your way. so you can feel good about that at least
actually you remind me of a few other artists i've watched develop. uncannily in some ways.

>>84259892
These are problems that the creator is in a uniquely bad position to identify because they are problems with conveying the creator's intent to the reader. 99 times out of 100, tangents and breaking the 180 line add nothing to a sequence, so why have them? It's rare that you need a seatbelt while you're out driving, but you still wear it every time.

>>84259949
Don't make a habit of it. Giving in only makes it stronger.

>>84259949
this is terrible, don't do anything tomorrow either. take the whole life off on art

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>>84260385
I draw it for fun senpai

>>84260647
clearly

>>84260385
don't be an asshole, but yeah you need a lot of practice

>>84259363
They do that so they don't have to take any actual risk. It's shitty.

>>84255320
Well, I can't see much on both your examples, all you have is sketches? Don't you ever finish a drawing?

In any case, they look fine for what they are, in this last sketch, anatomy is fine, gesture is interesting, placement of the facial features look good, the lighting looks interesting... And on the previous illustration, well, all I can say is that you look more comfortable working with colors than I do, and I have an on going comic with a few pages (it is black and white, but it has more to do with my speed than anything). The market is full of badly drawn webcomics, without seeing a finished drawing of yours I'd guess you are miles ahead of the competition. Specially since you have some sort of self awareness and criticism the other "artists" lack.
I also have these sort of panics, thinking that my art isn't good enough, Anon, and I don't think it ever gets better, what I do to feel a little better is to compare my work with comics that have a good following that I find shitty, with people loving the art and writing... You will still know your art isn't the level you want it to be, but at least it's better than "that", and people think "that" is great.

Just start working, Anon. Eventually you will get better, you may cringe a little at your earlier work, I know I cringe a little to mine, but in the end you will still feel good because you have something done, and your improvement is palpable for once.
Also, it helps if you know the writer a little before jumping into a long comic, I was lucky to have a friend who wanted to write comics, but meeting writers on the internet, you may want to do little short stories just to get a feel for who they are and how is their work, before committing years of your life on a story you don't like, with a person you don't really care about because for whatever reason you don't want to drop their comics.

>>84261584
name of your comic?

>>84259409
So what do I do? Not create anything until it's perfect? I'd never get anything done. I try and improve with each piece I do but going back and redrawing until it's perfect won't get anything done.

>>84261746
http://abnor.com.br/?lang=en

>>84261828
as >>84261584 said
"the market is full of badly drawn webcomics"

>>84261828
keep doing u, try to improve

>>84260647
If you draw for fun don't post in an improvement thread or don't respond if people crit your shit. We're not your friends.

>>84262551
this is a thread for posting for fun and making friends. you're thinking of the batman thread.

>>84262748
dont go swimming in the jelly sea. you'll only get sticky yourself.

>>84262840
No one can tell if you post neither.

>>84262840
He probably had followers from other places, he knew how to advertise his comic better, had better contacts... but also, does his comic pander to feminists/leftists in general? It looks pretty easy to get followers just by regurgitating some feminist talking points.

Also, this >>84262913

>>84262840
i dig it, when life is illogical you feel confused. but it's not too hard to explain in this case, there are so damn many variables and there's so MANY comics that most people only see a tiny handful of what there is. and that's only of the people that read comics.

If you had to invest money in a few /hyw/ comics, which would you pick?

>>84263698
Mrs. Melee and that one about the Vikings seem like alright picks to me. Maybe Scribble's comic too but he's trying really hard to be western one piece and I'm not sure if I like that.

>>84263698
Man, that's tough. I can't pick my own comic obviously.

I'd probably have to say Carrion Girls, because it deserves to be read by a wider audience. It's easily the best comic in these threads, it's so different from any other webcomic I've read.

>>84263698
tough to say. some are professional quality, but that's no guarantee of professional success. some have that inherent appeal, but the author clearly has issues / goes months without updating..

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Did a random joke with Giri while practicing on cleaning my drawings. Wanna know if you guys find it funny.

I think I figured out a way for my drawings not to be rotated back to normal by 4chan. But I won't hold my breath.

>>84265514
when it's hard to tell whether the joke is that her vocabulary is bad or that the other character used a made-up version of a word, the joke hasn't quite worked.
i like the art though. but watch the cranial height.

>>84265597
decuple means 10... But I'll work on it.

>>84263698
Harro. Miss melee. Mimi.

A year or two ago I might have included Scribs, Miscellany Merchant, Scandy's thing. Maybe a few others.

I post updates too infrequently, and my stuff's too niche.

There are a lot of solid comics I still wouldn't bet on taking off.

>>84265664
i didn't even notice that part. i meant the punchline

>>84265826
OH you meant arsonistic. Huh, you're right... It is confusing and wrongly projected.

Well, thanks for the feed back. Appreciate it!

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To the anons that helped me a week and half back, thank you. It really was true that once you start a comic, you get faster at drawing. Yesterday I was able to draw and ink a whole page in 8 hours more or less.

Now that I've got my tablet back, I'm trying to paint a few pages, just to figure out how I'm going to give colour to the whole thing. It's a fancomic that aims to go nowhere, so I'll go easy. I think almost plain colours (with my work with pencil for the gradients) will do it. I don't know what I'm really doing, but I kind of like it. It's fun just doing stuff out of worries about screwing my work.

>>84267170
sounds like good practice.

>>84267200
It is. I would've done it earlier.

How do you feel about panty-shots, /hyw/?

>>84268330
i'm torn. on one hand, great viewpoint. on the other hand, fuck underwear

>>84268330
Only if they're not in your face. Like a little peek up the skirt when a character is running is fine but full blown girl falling over and camera zooming in to her skintight panties is just obnoxious.

>>84269008
Seconded.

>>>/ic/2551112
they're having a comics thread, you should post your comics and get some real critique!
I just posted mine and got great feedback
also their works are insanely good

>>84269375
>People saying they love garbage.
>Only one person bothering to give actual help

Oh yeah. Real critique.

>>84252378
is that fucking Mercy with a brick for a nose

>>84269563
They are praising works that are miles ahead than any of the ones posted here

I drew a comic strip.

Comic strip aren't funny but i'm just too lazy to draw full pages on a computer

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>>84269800
FORGOT THE STRIP DAMN MAN

>>84269765
I'm definitely not saying anyone here is any good but you are delusional.

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Weekly performance review, from the annoying art noob here.

So I want you honest opinions, how does this character look to you? Any quirks that stand out to you, features you don't like, things you might want to see.

Also i hope you other artist are practicing because anatomy is getting easier for me. But i'm not one to judge so i'll let you do that.

>>84269809
I don't know that language but I'm assuming the joke is that the man is trying to get popular on facebook by taking slutty selfies?

>>84269861
yeah, also the langage written is extremely broken french

>>84269860
His eyes feel a little too detailed compared to how simple the rest of his design is.
I think his colors would look nicer if you changed the tints a little, as right now his colors feel very flat. Maybe change the grey to a blue grey or green grey, maybe make the red a little purple or orange, the colors are so pure they feel boring.

>>84269860
Don't use that animu blur shit to try to cover up a lack of ability to actually draw action.

>>84256488
Fug, you're right, I gotta fix all of that, thanks.

Well, except for the pony tail, that just doesn't appear in the front view.

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>>84269858
Tell me this isn't good

>>84269917
Sorry about the colors to be honest, this was a reference sheet.
Also are the eyes really that simple, i kinda like the character to have deep eyes. Plus, the character looks simple but the world i'm think of is pretty detailed.
>>84269951
Thanks for you opinion, but i prefer the blurred lines. the give a sense of urgency when used right.
Not saying i'm using them right i still plan to improve it so that action is expressed.

Also i'd like to see your art anon, not gonna lie i take advice with a smile but you seem to know your shit.