The Great X-Men Storytime - Vol. 3: New Mutants (Part 18)

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And with start with an iconic page.

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We'll also end with quite the page too but I'm not spoiling that to the uninitiated.

>>83397789
>white nightcrawler

>>83397765
No problem

>>83397431
Nice to see you back. How long do you think it's going to be before we get to the '90s (or I guess to be more specific, the end of Claremont's run)?

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>>83397901
Like a year? Haha, I honestly have no idea.

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The first three issues of Claremont and Lee's X-Men are in Vol. 9 to give you an idea of how far we are.

>>83397732
Man, PMS was kind of weak at first. Kitty's face looks all weird to me. Truthfully, I can't into UXM after Cockrum's second departure.

Anyway, I think it's supercool of you to do this.

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>>83398017
Thanks familia. I think it's super dumb and crazy yet here we are.

>>83398017
That's a shame man. The run from Smith to JRJR to Silvestri is actually my favorite stretch of X-Men. I love the Cockrum stuff but I've never been as impressed by Byrne as others.

I'll agree that Smith had some awkward moments early but once we start dealing with Morlocks and Wolverine's wedding he turns into a machine.

>>83398065
not him but the last time we had a comfy conversation about comics, dont be afraid about asking question or making us talk about comics, last week was really toxic for /co/ with all the hail Hydra and right wing red skull

>>83398065
What I love about Kitty in these issues is that she's so clearly a teenager. Claremont did a great job giving her the voice of a child

>>83398122
For me, these 80s X-Men comics are just some of the comfiest comics ever.

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>>83398112
This, Outback era is best era desu senpai

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>>83398122
You guys keep these threads comfy and friendly, and for that I thank you.

>>83398172
Damn, what a smoother motherfucker. I wish modern X-Men had downtime issues

>>83398172
X-Men in the Outback era becomes one of the most magical, strange, dreamlike interpretations of superheroes I've ever read. I love it.

I also love the aftermath of Mutant Massacre and the steady increase of dread that follows.

>>83398112

my man!

>>83398112
I vastly prefer Cockrum to Byrne, but Byrne's run has grown on me.
I've read up to the middle 200's I think, and I just wasn't sucked in as much as I was with the earlier stuff. The post Secret Wars era is the beginning of the end of Marvel for me.

>>83398215
>hard as a rock, thick as a brick
>Piotr shows up

I tried doing a massive X-Men reread last year with a Marvel Unlimited subscription I got for my birthday. After I gave up in the 90s I started buying old issues that weren't up. Awesome stuff like the Simonson/Blevins New Mutants.

Anyway, what are other people's favorite 80s X-Men spinoff miniseries?

>>83398420

i can just hear the tragic musical sting ;_;

>>83398424

New Mutants the GOAT. If Unlimited ever gets all of the Simonson's X-Factor I'm really interested in it

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>>83398424
Aside from the obvious (New Mutants, Simonson X-Factor), I'm rather fond of the Longshot mini.

>>83398143
I'm rereading Lee/Ditko ASM, which is another book that handles teens surprisingly well. Teen Peter has some issues-

>>83398475

>tfw I for years thought this was the issue/arc that lead to archangel

where this goes is what made Storm my favorite

Y'know, I've been reading the Luke Cage storytimes and noticed.......did he ever team up with the Claremont X-Men? They know Misty Knight and fought Iron Fist. You would think there would be an awesome yet utterly batshit adventure that involved the Heroes for Hire, the Daughters of the Dragon and the Merry Mutants.

>>83398540

Why is Professor X reading a book on the Marvel Universe?

>>83398556

And Colleen Wing was X-Supporting cast for a bit

>>83398420
On the one hand, the real-world reasons for Maddie's villainous turn are complete and utter bollocks. On the other hand, Maddie turned out to be a pretty great villain. I don't know how to feel about it overall.

>>83398017
I'm not that into Smith's art either, at least so far. He draws some cute grills though.

>>83398550
Yeah, Teen Peter was THIS close to being a supervillain. Not to mention how obnoxious he was

>>83398637
I love how Uncle Ben's murder completely fucks up Pete's super villain origin.

>>83398706

apparently the Civil War II X-Men preview had a thing with Magneto attacking like "the mutant 1%" and i was mad it wasn't hellfire club. like that's what they're for!

>>83398620
Smith is probably one of the most frequent targets of John Byrne says. I'm pretty sure only the Image founders, Claremont, and Shooter get more flack

>>83398748
To be fair, and I didn't read Civil War II so I could be wrong, but the Hellfire Club are really only about gathering power. They don't care one way or the other about the mutant global situation

>>83398594

Forgot Wing was there, IIRC trying to hook up with Scott. Man it's amazing how much the Marvel heroes networked. Misty roomed with Jean, who was an X-Man, who teamed up with Spider-Man, who knows the Fantastic Four and both Spidey & The Thing have teamed up with Quasar.

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>>83397431
is she getting sum fuk in that cover?

>>83398807

Well I'm going off a fucking bleedingcool article about what's in the preview book so...

and I think someone with a X-book hinted at a new Hellfire club soon

>>83398762
I like Byrne's art prior to his FF, but when I read that shit, I have to wilfully keep from thinking about how much of a tool he is irl.

>>83398844

I love how interconnected Shooter era Marvel can be. though I guess it goes back to Stan and Jack doing all the books

Thanks a lot x anon!!

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>>83398900
No problem, anon.

>>83398852
I like him up through the 90's. His She-Hulk comics looks great. I don't know if it's shut getting sloppy with age or bad inkers, but his 2000's DC work like Doom patrol and blood of the Demon is just awful though

But yeah, I try to never think about the person behind the work

>>83399060

it's weird Angel also has the mutant power of being the most gorgeous dude

>>83398873
Seriously, I see all these assholes saying the X-Men work better as their own separate universe or never really interacted with the larger Marvel Universe, and I'm like, come on

>>83399060
CALLISTO!

>>83398873
In the era of X-Men, New Mutants, and X-Factor the three titles are almost perfectly synchronous. It was the only time a shared universe felt truly engrossing to me. You could probably add the Buscema drawn Madripoor Wolverine stories to that list as well. Otherwise it's just been "neat cameos" or "cool a team-up issue" and little else.

>>83398852
X-Men under Byrne is alright. I hate his Superman. I actually really like those Wolverine comics he did with Archie Goodwin and Klaus Janson though. Fun 90s action pulp.

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>>83399095
Too true.

>>83399088
For now, Longshot will replace him. Even with four fingers and mullet women fall head over heels for him

>>83399137

thanks to Claremont's white knuckle grip on the X-Franchise

>>83399137
Those Wolverine comics don't really fit into the same near timeline at first

>>83399137
Yeah, his Superman was not to my taste.

Mid 60's Marvel has some nice interconnectedness* as well.

*I cannot belive this is an actual fucking word.

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I loved Byrne's Superman
Triangle era 4lyfe

>>83399282
Ahahaha, get cucked by a dead girl Maddy

>>83399368
Clearly, the bondage gene is paired with the x gene.

>>83399291
My favorite "they're all in the same Marvel universe" moments are Spider-Man running into everybody in the first Annual and the Avengers showing up at the end of Born Again.

>>83399508
Caliban's life is just going to be constant suffering until he dies

>>83399516
I like when SHIELD shows up and drafts the the FF to go to Latveria (FF 84) and, of course, Reed and Sue's wedding

>>83399668
I never got Callisto, she's basically Captain America with a mix of Wolverine, how was she even outed as a mutant? Did a Sentinel randomly attack her and everybody realized what that meant?

>>83399750
>>83399771

love this so fucking much. Forgot Storm went Flu Game too

>>83399794
I always forget about Storm's past as a rough street child from Cairo until she has to use her skills in a story. It always feels so good when it happens

>>83399060
Angel doing what he does best

>>83399890

weird Scott doesn't also react to that mind reader line

>>83399799
I love the way the crowd slowly returns.

>>83397431
WB

>>83399799
X-Anon, I hope you one day get to Callisto's arm tentacles.

>>83399977

>Simonson art

drool.jpeg

and not just bc Storm is looking fine af

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>>83399962
Thanks, senpai

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>>83399993
I'm sure we'll get there, I'm too crazy to give up on this shit.

>>83399993

there's a period where like a ton of people get weird tentacle arms

>>83400116
Poor Carol, you're gonna get mind-wiped and go on space adventures at least two more times.

>>83399604
now Marvel is having a Civil War event about someone with the same superpower of Destiny.

>>83400178
Has there been another Binary?

>>83400280
Nope, but she does lose access to that form and becomes an alcoholic.

>>83399766
she has super sight, hearing, taste, touch, smell and balance.
she must have realized she was a mutant when she could suddenly see well at night as a teen or something like that.

>>83400230
>Storm is still wearing Callisto's jacket

>>83399855
Cold. Stone fucking Cold.


Marvel heroes(not to say DC don't) have moments where are they the baddest motherfuckers walking. And thank god they are on OUR side.

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>>83400399
It's probably unwashed af tbf

>>83398215
>the legion eats quiche
Hee.

>>83400503
lol

>>83400177
Chuck being so fucking huge in this page will never not make me laugh.

>>83400093
I dont believe Claremont when he says Maddie was supposed to be a Jean doppelganger Scott would marry to retire from the x-men. Too many weird things about her.

>>83400535
You just know Lilandra gave him some enhancements, Aryan cock can only do so much for royal pussy.

>>83398506
So, has anyone ever given a shit about Candy Southern?

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So what'd you guys read today? (other than this storytime that is)

>>83400566

That alone is super weird really.

>>83400535
His brain-muscle is his strongest muscle of all! Boo-YAH!

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dat Deadly Class doe

>>83400672

Finsihed some novels I've been reading, the Rebirth issues, Civil War 2, A-Force. chapter of one piece. decent enough comics day. got some stuff to get to too

>>83400714

i read it in trade and seeing Remender retweeting stuff has got me oh so thirsty

>>83400672
Contest of Champions #9, turned out to be really good. It's a shame it only has 1 more issue left.

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>>83400733
Ah, I've had to read so much stuff for Uni I haven't even had time to read regular old books for fun.

>>83400550
How was it again that Binary meeting Rogue didn't end with a dead Rogue?

>>83400093
See, Claremont, you can't include stuff like this and NOT EXPECT other writers to follow up.

>>83400672
ASM 10-12. I got the first Omni (along with the first UXM omni) for my birthday last week. I've already read both, and I'm reareading ASM now.

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>>83400769
Man, you're in for a ride. What a crazy fucking issue.

>>83400376
Shame, I think Binary has a neat look.

>>83400808

i finished my semester a few weeks ago and i'm finally going through the stacks of shit i bought to pleasure read that got put off. feels so good

>>83400672
A bunch of 80's Punisher comics

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I wasn't as sold on Deadly Class as other people were (I preferred Black Science) but that last issue... damn.

>>83400848
She eventually gains access to it again.
>>83400812
Because she lost pretty much all of her emotional attachment to her memories.

>>83400819

>implying Claremont didn't have a plan

Dude's Magneto redemption stuff was planned through 300

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Sorry, this game is kicking my ass and I lose concentration.

>>83400893
Silver Samurai was such a weird pick for Marvel vs Capcom 2

>>83401009

He was in because Capcom wanted everyone from Children of the Atom to MvC1.

>>83401009
National pride in videogames?

>>83401153
dont worry Alex, she will make you wear gothic fucboi clothes soon

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>>83401009
Marrow was an even weirder choice. I love it though, the X-Men were all over the place back then.

Was there ever an explaination for how Rogue lost the Sopranoes' hair-wings and moved on to the skunk-head?
Is she actually going gray???

>>83400914
I was referring more to the jean/Maddie stuff in Inferno and X-Factor, which I've heard was an editorial retcon.

>>83401274

ahh yeah

>>83401274
I know about the Jean Grey stuff, I have no idea at what point someone went " fuck it she's a clone"

>>83399956
I know he did X-Factor but it's a real shame that Simonson never drew the main book. A Claremont/Simonson run would've been insane.

>>83401226
From what I understand, they were really trying to push Marrow back then the same way they pushed Pixie. I guess the pink hair makes them think it will be a hit with girls.

>>83401226
Marrow was weird for the game but a great underrated idea for an X-Men cast-member, they screwed it all up though, she only works as the kind of mutant who belongs in a Morlock tunnel and they gave her a dozen different kinds of makeovers.
It's a rule: don't change a character that you're still establishing.
She had such story potential back when she was added to MvC, they had no idea how badly it'd all go. That's why.

>>83401198
I though she just shredded his clothes so he looked like a slut.

>>83401393
Wasn't the Phoenix Force supposed to be a power level for mutants or something?

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Classic cover.

>>83401430
No, no, no, Pixie is a girly-girl character. Marrow is militant mutie-skank who has no feminine charm at all.
These two characters couldn't be more different, or appeal to more different audiences.

>>83400686
It's weird but I think that's kind of the point, it's all a giant red herring. Maddie has all of these things pointing to her being a reincarnated Jean or whatever but the truth of it is that sometimes coincidences, weird as they may be, are just that. You're expecting the big twist that it's Jean but the real twist is that there is no twist.

>>83401582
It was the 90's.

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Here's an important life lesson to take into consideration: never play Japanese games that never made it out of Japan. They will fucking kick your ass.

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And yet I can't stop playing this shit. Sigh.

>>83401706
Is Rogue still underage at this point?

>>83402100
Storm and Yukio totally banged right?

>>83402134
Of course.

>>83402169
>>83402233

this is almost hilarious

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>>83402134
Oh yeah.

>>83402126
Oh Maddie. You deserved so much better than what you got. Also the digital colorist fucked up on her bangs.

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>>83402260
Reminds me of that page where Bruce makes Clark cry.

>>83401747
What game is it? I've had Japanese games kick my ass before too, and I'm curious now.

Also, this storytime is awesome, way better than The Wolverine movie. Thank you, X-Anon.

>>83402409
I find it amusing that Lilandra always dresses up in gym clothes with Charles

>>83402260
It's like an old romance comic.

>>83401747
You talking about Touhou?

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>>83402495
Fire Emblem: Fuuin no Tsurugi, also known as Binding Blade.

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>>83402532
Oh no, see above.

>>83402550
That's one of the FE game I never played, but yeah those Japanese only ones really kick your ass. Thracia 776 was brutal

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>>83402614
It's good, but it feels like a step down after Rekka no Ken. Still, fun game, I recommend it if you have the patience for not letting anyone die.

>>83397789
Dragon!

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That's the shitty thing about FE games, they give you all these cool characters to play with and then the game tries so hard to take them from you.

>>83402667
I still need to beat Conquest. I own it I just never really feel like playing a handheld game

>>83397789
Is this Wolverine going off to get engaged/fight a bunch of the Hand and kill her girlfriend's husband and father?

>>83402667
>star wars comic
who publishes those in the marvel universe?

>>83402738
meant for >>83402615

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>>83402697
Ah, I bought Birthright. Weird to see FE all Pokemonized desu

>>83402667
>>83402695
Piotr's dick after the kiss was finished was obscured until >>83402695, where we see it get more shadowing over what may be a bulge.
I'm putting too much thought into this

>>83402738
Marvel exists in Marvel

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>>83402814
Yeah, they even made some in-universe comics some years ago. We'll read the X-Men one, of course.

>>83398215
> X-Babies

oh boy

>>83402738
Marvel was the original rights holder to StarWars in comics.
And in issue #1 Darth Vader was holding a cup of coffee when he force-choked Motti ... for no known reason...

>>83402914
>not drinking coffee while crushing insolent employee's windpipes
It's called multitasking.

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Oops, looks like I'll have to cut this one short because SOMEONE (ahem) wants to use the computer, so this is it for tonight. Try to keep the thread alive and I'll come back to finish this storytime!

>>83403020
>>83402914
>not knowing about Vader's weakness for darth roast coffee

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Here's the letters for #169

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And starting with 172, you actually have the characters answering the letters.

>>83398172
Something tells me that Kurt was wearing only the BAMF doll in the original version of this page.

>>83403077
You are forgiven. (see how magnanimous we are on /co/?)

>>83403077
Man, the next issue is basically one of the best around if you're a patricain Cyclopsfag.

>>83403617
What makes you think they included the doll too?

>>83400503
>mah goodness
pretty bad ass way to react at being punched into space

>>83403986
Eek! I am that! Oooh, I can't wait!

>>83401127
this motherfucker I love her

>>83399956
The day I bought this issue featuring my waifu was a good one.

>>83400093
I always saw the legs crossed the other way when Maddie's in Scott's arms.

>>83399172
But Longshot is an alien, anon. Though clearly, it's not difficult to be the most beautiful man from Mojoworld.

>>83400566
>Too many weird things about her.
Like her being only ten years old when she met Scott

>>83402994
>>83403016
>>83403077

I would just like to point out that despite the fact that it was a bad idea to ask that ... he was RIGHT.

>>83401781
yes, she should be just about 16 or 17

>>83404807
Age is just a number, Anon.
And now let's add our beloved Scott onto that growing list of pedo X-Men.

>>83400566
>>83400686

I don't have any evidence for this, but I've always suspected that Claremont intended to reveal Madelyne Pryor as the real Jean Grey at some point. He was salty for a while for being ordered by Jim Shooter to kill off Jean at the end of the Dark Phoenix Saga, and I could totally see Claremont thinking that Maddy turning out to be the real Jean (maybe a psychic "echo" left by the Phoenix) would be a way to undo that.

Of course, Bob Layton and Butch Guice came along with X-Factor and (unintentionally) screwed up whatever long-term plans Claremont had in the works for Cyclops and Maddy/Jean.

In retrospect, that's really where Claremont's plotting started unraveling for me. Prior to the introduction of X-Factor, you got the sense that Claremont was building up to something along the themes of redemption and rehabilitation with Magneto becoming the headmaster of the school, Wolverine becoming more humane due to his interactions with Kitty, etc.

But then X-Factor and Mutant Massacre happened and it seemed like all that just got thrown out the window, replaced by annual crossovers and tortuous subplots that kept dragging on and on, only to be resolved with hand-waving deus ex machina plot devices. It was still entertaining for the most part, but Claremont's later work would never be as coherent and tightly plotted as the X-Men stuff he wrote pre-1986.

>>83402338
protip: when you steal a character from a comic strip, make sure the author's been dead for a few years

This is why Mam'selle Hepzibah had her name altered and her skunksona changed to a cat; Walt Kelly didn't see this as homage and let Marvel know it.

>>83405049
I've always headcanonned her as more underage than that.
She's the mutant who's *ahem* powers developed early and that lead to a traumatic experience with a boy back home.
She's the confused girl who has an adult woman's thoughts in her head, and her body has changed permanently, so she runs off to the X-Men.
There she ultimately she becomes involved with a sleazy but charming man wearing a trenchcoat who just can't help flirting with her despite the fact that he knows he can't touch.
That doesn't say "legally adult woman" to me.
But then again, it's not the '90s anymore.

>>83399799
>Bitch, you have no idea how much I resent being brought into this bullshit in the sewer.

>>83399921
>>83399890
I love how Scott's first thought is to lie, then he pulls out a coin as if to let chance decide, but he just straight up tells her about his power.

>>83398112
The period from the original Cockrum run to just right before the end of JRjr's run (i.e., right before the Mutant Massacre) is my favorite stretch of X-Men (and any long-form "Big Two" superhero comic for that matter). I don't think anyone can read those issues and not come away as a fan, unless they're totally lacking in the "suspension of disbelief" department and just can't get over the inherent silliness of the whole superhero premise.

Oddly enough, I do have a soft spot for the Jim Lee years, but I was still young back then, and easily impressed by flashy art.

>>83405125
That could be so. But there's been a long history (post this) of Marvel headfaking the fans when they're doing these mysteries.
It's effective, fools are still falling for the tactic today.
But this was back in the day, there's every chance it just worked out that way here by luck.

>>83403337
>you actually have the characters answering the letters
I miss that so much

>>83405446
I love that breakfast description, damnitall now I'm hungry.

Is that seriously Mastermind? Fuck you, Jean turns his brain into scrambled eggs and he comes back to pull the exact same shit with Cyclops?

>>83397850
>whitecrawler

>>83405359
>> That doesn't say "legally adult woman" to me.
You don't stop being dumb when you turn 18.

>>83399060
>>83399082
>>83399122
>>83399368
>>83399429
>>83399855

Best pages

>>83398941
>I don't know if it's shut getting sloppy with age or bad inkers, but his 2000's DC work like Doom patrol and blood of the Demon is just awful though

Probably a bit of both (sloppiness with age and working with bad/incompatible inkers). In a rare unguarded moment online (I think he was engaged in one of his infamous rants on his personal website/forum), I remember Byrne saying that for the longest time, he was very insecure about his inking abilities and that it was years before he felt truly comfortable inking his own pencils.

I do remember seeing the stuff he was doing on Namor back in the early 1990s (he was writing, penciling, inking, and lettering the comic)—this was after I learned significantly more about the collaborative art process in comics and how integral the inker is the the final look of a comic—and realizing that a lot of what I liked about Byrne's art on Uncanny X-Men back in the day probably had as much to do with Terry Austin's inks as they did with Byrne's pencils.

The Byrne-inked art on Namor looked like a downgrade in comparison to the earlier Austin-inked stuff on Uncanny X-Men, to be honest—Byrne had this anemic, scratchy line that just made busy scenes look that much more muddled—but I suppose he was still in the process of getting in his inking reps at that point.

>>83398420
>REDHEADS! My only weakness!

>>83398446
Heh. On a lark I looked up the guy who sent in the first Ariel/Sprite costume design on that page and it turns out he grew up to be an award-winning designer.

From the dude's profile on a networking site:
>Clients have included Louis Vuitton, Hermés, AnnTaylor, Estee Lauder, Prabal Gurung, Peter Som, Sony Music, RCA Records, Rondina New York, Jade Trau, TAG Creative, Wechsler Ross & Partners, Sointu USA, Russ Berrie & Co., Grey Interactive and Meeling Wong.

(At least I think it's him... the "George Gozum" I found on Google is a New York-based designer, but he was born and lived for a time in the Philippines, just like the kid who sent in the costume design to the X-Men letters page)

>>83405880
Poor inglorious basterd, he just can never see them coming among the blondes!

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>>83399225
That was fast. Bye, Lee.

>>83400199
This is a cool page.

>>83400465
>>83400503
Claremont has gotten pretty good at holding back on the narration and letting the art tell the story.

>>83400808
Joining the X-men is one thing, but did they really need to invite Rogue to Wolverine's wedding?

>>83401339
We'll always have the X-Men/Teen Titans crossover....

>>83405049
She looked old as hell in her previous appearances.

>>83402233
>waifu_no_more.jpg

>>83402372
Carol's costume looks like she joined Alpha Flight.

>>83401634
I don't think that's the case here- and if so it's handled poorly, with no clear resolution. Intentional or not it comes off as sloppy when compared to say the Crime Master storyline (which also has a huge red herring) in Lee/Ditko ASM.

>>83405843
Yeah, his inks on the FF are a huge drop from Austin or Sinott.

>>83399855
I just realized that Angel wasn't awake for a second of this arc. He really is just a hunk of meat for bait.

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>>83398172
Well, hello there, mister Playful Kitty

>>83398420
Madelyne Pryor, because I've had a "pryor" existence as Jean Grey. Well, actually, I'm her clone, made by Mister Sinister. Also, the mother of Cable. Oh, and as the Goblyn Queen, I'll bone your brother.

>>83397765
This dialogue is on point.