The Great X-Men Storytime - Vol. 3: New Mutants (Part 17)

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That is one hell of a cover btw.

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While we're on the subject of being a total fucking weeaboo, I'm thinking of learning Japanese and going to Japan for a while. Might be nice.

Yay! What with all the /co/ negativity so far tonight, I needed this! <3

>>83232751
yeah, i know we have frequents marvel hate thread but since wednesday it has been ridiculous.

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>>83232751
These are the only threads you'll ever need, anon.
Well, the other storytimes are alright I GUESS, but other than that...

>>83232666
I've heard that's a tough language nut to crack, but then again English is s'posta be the worst of them all.

P.S. - Avoid saying the word "mango"

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>>83232885
I promise nothing!

>>83232622
It's an extremely iconic cover.

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>>83232949
Simple and iconic, they don't make 'em like that anymore.

>>83232885
English is actually not that bad. I mean, it's harder than Spanish, but compared to German or French.

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Sorry for the lateness btw, I spent wayyy to much time playing Rekka no Ken today.

FRANK THE TANK

God damn it, now nobody's gonna be in my storytime! DAMN YOU, X-ANON!

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>>83233320
What are you storytiming?

>>83232885
English is not particularly hard. It feels like a Creole of French and an old Germanic language with simplified grammar.
Obviously mastering it completely takes many years.

>>83233364
I'm the nutter who's been storytiming Luke Cage stories.

>>83233039
Well, what language were you beginning from? There's a bit of a difference in learning curves depending upon the root of your native language.
Then there's the slang, various accents, the colloquialisms, my God - all the puns.
A good bit of English in common usage is reappropriated random foreign language words and phrases.

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>>83233482
Ah, that's pretty cool. Godspeed, anon.

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Again, blame my unfortunate timing on Fire Emblem.

>>83233525
I'll direct try and direct to the older stories when he and Iron Fist meet the X-Men, as they did occasionally.

>>83233482
Thank Glob! I was worried it was X-Anon doing it all in a one-anon war against /co/ decline.
One man against a tide will always drown.

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>>83233594
Are you running Sabretooth's first appearance? 'Cause I ain't doin' that.

Interesting layouts. Miller's using half the page in one long panel and then a couple stacked on the other half

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>>83233618
Oh fuck no, hah, I barely have enough time for this storytime, let alone two.

>>83233484
Love that spooky "killerine" panel.
They really should have kept him in the brown color schemed costumes and not gone back to yellow/blue.

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>>83233664
I know some people hate the ending but I LOVE his Ronin, gorgeous stuff.

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Also, pretty sure his layouts (and general aesthetic) were heavily influenced by manga, Lone Wolf and Cub to be precise.

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>captcha is literally "semen avenue"
Excuse me, what?!?

>>83233792

Yep. I always like the thing I heard about him reading untranslated Lone Wolf going straight into making comics

>>83232533
I was just reading the Smith-era X-Men and I was like "oh, yeah, that's why Wolverine got so popular."

It's easy to forget that there was no one like him in kids' comics.

>>83233664
Miller seemed to understand that especially in color comics, using a lot of white space can actually be a striking design element.

>>83233904

Don't underrate Byrne who drew him looking badass as often as he could because he wanted a cool Canadian hero

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By the way, looking that that first issue cover... it's a damn fucking shame Clint Eastwood never played Wolverine.

>>83233953
Oh sure. "Now it's my turn" has been homaged to death but it's still awesome.

>>83234012
Too tall. Also made of dust.

>>83233663
It's Iron Fist, so of course. I'll also run the story where Wolverine picks a fight with Iron Fist, and gers the entire X-Men team involved (it's Phoenix-era)

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>>83233525
At first I was wondering who this Hei guy they kept talking about was, then I realized they were supposed to be saying Hai.

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>>83234102
I know, but 80's Wolvie had that Dirty Harry kind of vibe going, y'know?

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>>83234128
Coolio.

>>83233722
Blame Byrne.

>>83234128
Oh, I love that story because it's so totally ridiculous. It doesn't even pretend to have a plot, it's just 15 pages of "Marvel heroes fight over a misunderstanding."

>>83233823
>Danny the Street resorts to making porno

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>>83234227
Wasn't it Lee who wanted Wolverine back in the yellow/blue?

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>>83234267
Holy shit, anon making me bust a gut

>>83234465
More of his enemies should carry bows and arrows, that's gotta be harder to heal around than a bullet.
Come to think of it, one good harpooning would solve most people's Wolverine problems.

>>83234574
Can I just put in a good word for Tom Orzechowski? The X-Men got lucky when they were able to get him as the main letterer (after a lot of rotating letterers in the '70s). He could make all those words readable and even nice to look at.

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>>83234696
Letterers are truly unappreciated. Traditional lettering > digital lettering desu senpai.

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The ending of the Rebirth one-shot made me appreciate Gibbons' lettering work in Watchmen a whole lot more. Classic stuff.

>>83234744
I notice quite a few fonts at Marvel seem to be, if not exactly Orzechowski, kind of imitating him. Too bad you can't copyright a style the way you can copyright a specific font.

>>83233904
I actually find it funny that he's the one he took off. He's pretty cool, but I find Kurt, Piotr and Scott all more compelling in this era.

>>83235017
Kurt and Piotr are certainly more toyetic (as they lampshade with Kurt in the comics a few times). But they're nice guys. Wolverine is a bad boy and there weren't that many bad boys in comics at the time.

>>83234012
https://youtu.be/msNWVbHXcd4

>>83235017
>>83235087
They all take turns leaving the team, Wolverine's just the one who heads off to kill villianous ninjas in story-worthy adventures.

>>83235147
Miller and Smith, two artists whose action was so clear Claremont didn't need to write captions over it.

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That's all for today, tomorrow we go back to Uncanny X-Men! Until then!

>>83234254
Didn't Storm get potato salad thrown at her?

Can we get a God Loves, Man Kills thread going next?

>>83235190
The worst one is Cyclops, off on a Jean mourning self-pity-party with a level of feels rarely seen outside of a yuri romance anime...

>>83235247
We got that last night, I'm just wondering when the Micronauts crossover is going to happen.

>>83235091
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>>83232852
>Logan, she is married.
>So? Never stopped me before.

>>83235377
It sucks how Wolvie was totally outclassed and only won becauseof the 'factor and adamantium.
"Best there is at what I do." - It sucks.

>>83235222
>Mariko committing seppuku and not jigai like a proper lady
Bullshit.

>>83235290
Being Scott is never not suffering.

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>>83233322
>I'm awake 5 seconds and already fighting ninja. It has been that kind of week.

>>83235606
The one who did it right was Colossus, first time (that I know of) he gets to be a successful amnesiac Soho artist, the next time he's (evil again) Magneto's right-hand metal man.
I don't count the time when he was superhero-dead.

>>83234744
Lettering is one of those things that most people only notice when it is done poorly.

Cool story, bub.

That reminds me, which issues of Wolverine did Larry Hama write? I always wanted to read those.

>>83234877
Japanese Xavier doesn't fuck around.

>>83235222
Wait, so why was Mariko married to that Noboru loser?

>>83236729
Because Daddy said so, and not doing what he said would disgrace her ancestors or some bullshit.

>>83236790
No, I meant what sort of obligation did Shingen have toward Noboru that warranted the hand of his daughter? That chump didn't seem to have that much money.

>>83234545
jesus, this page, Logan's introspective is so beautiful

>>83236948
Marry for money is a Western gimmick, in Japan it's the family name/status and influence crap.

>>83237113
But Shingin's family is already the shit. He would have nothing to gain in that regard unless Noboru was fairly high in the line of succession to be Emperor.

Also, Shingin is a shitty yakuza Kingpin-wannabe, so selling his daughter for mere money would not be unexpected of him.

>>83235459
yeah it's kinda sad, the Ninja's would've killed Wolverine six ways to sunday if he wasn't superpowered. But in a way, that doesn't mean he isn't the best.

So, is this peak frank miller?

>>83236426
Once in a long while, you'll notice lettering, like Groo's lettering by Stan fucking Sakai of all people.

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>>83237402
I very much do not follow that logic.
He Konami Code cheats his way to always getting his man, there's no display of any uniquely superior skills at all.

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>>83234128
Reminder that Sabretooth originated as a rejected Wolverine design (see pic): John Byrne designed what he thought Wolverine should look like under his cowl prior to becoming the Uncanny X-Men comic's regular penciler on issue #108 and sent the sketch to Claremont, not knowing that Dave Cockrum had already drawn Logan's unmasked face ten issues earlier in Uncanny X-Men #98. Claremont and Byrne, not wanting to waste the design, used it for a villain in Iron Fist instead (they were the creative team on that title at the time).

I'm willing to bet that the whole tease that Claremont had about Sabretooth possibly being related to Wolverine was partially inspired by this mix-up.

>>83234275
>Wasn't it Lee who wanted Wolverine back in the yellow/blue?

Yeah, the anon you responded to had it mixed up. The story is that Cockrum, before the end of his first run as the artist on X-Men, wanted to replace Wolverine's yellow-and-blue costume with Fang's brown-and-tan unmasked costume which he stole from Fang after the yellow-and-blue costume got wrecked in issue #107.

Byrne, who replaced Cockrum, hated the Fang costume and reverted him back to the yellow-and-blue costume after just one issue. Eventually though, Byrne designed a compromise costume using the brown-and-tan color scheme of the Fang costume and the cowl and pointy boot tops of the yellow-and-blue costume.

(more details here: http://thegeeksverse.com/2015/07/28/leaving-proof-274-a-visual-history-of-the-wolverine-character-design/)

When Jim Lee took over the helm of the X-Men comic in late 1991, he wanted to revert to the yellow-and-blue costume as part of a subplot about how Wolverine was regressing back to the more savage person that he was when he first joined the team. This was supposedly a bone of contention between Lee and Claremont—Lee wanted to revert certain characters like Magneto and Wolverine to how they were when he was reading them as a kid, while Claremont wanted to show that those characters had grown and changed for the better over time. And this disagreement contributed to Claremont quitting X-Men in 1991. (the bigger reason, though, was that Claremont was really chafing under the direction of editor Bob Harras... it just so happened that Lee had Harras's backing when it came to creative disputes)

>>83238507
That, plus they have the same superpowers and haircut.

Sidenote: I have a comics-casual friend who would say that whoever designed Beast stole his hairstyle from wolverine. I couldn't convince him otherwise.

>>83238721
Writers always want to revert a character to conform with fond childhood memories.
This is why I love Whedon's run: He loved Kitty Pryde most of all and still had no mercy whatsoever.

>>83238753
>I have a comics-casual friend who would say that whoever designed Beast stole his hairstyle from wolverine. I couldn't convince him otherwise.
Your friend must strongly believe in time travel.

>>83239026
Possibly, or he just likes to be a dick about some things and this is one of those things. Hint: it's the being a dick thing.

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>>83238753

Logan's hairstyle is just one of those things that Dave Cockrum was seemingly fixated on for a time. A number of characters he designed for the Legion of Super-Heroes serial that ran as a back-up in Superboy had that hairstyle or some variation of it, including a character whose costume he would eventually repurpose for Storm (see pic). Only one of those designs ever got approved for use, though: his 1972 redesign of Timber Wolf.

Whether or not his Timber Wolf hairdo redesign influenced Gerry Conway when he was redesigning Beast, I have no idea. They came out the same year, but I'm guessing it was more coincidence than anything else. The whole sideburns + wild hair look was pretty popular back in the 1970s (I remember watching an obscure Australian film called Stunt Rock back in the day and practically every dude in the cast sported some variation of the look).

bumpverine

>>83240174
This

>>83232829

>Me, I know my father -- that's as far as it goes.

Was this retconned? I thought Wolverine didn't know anything about his past prior to Weapon X at this point.