Homestuck

one minute silence for liveblogger-chan

Why does Joey's symbol change so often

>>82941091
>foreshadowing on dave's relationship with bro
>in openbound
Dave has been showing his Bro issues for the entire fucking comic you goddamn Hivebent-millennials

>>82941225
At least she briefly witnessed our lord

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>>82941188
>>82941030
Welcome to the pain motherfucker

I really wanted Hiveswap to be good
At least there'll be porn of Joey, right?

>>82941062
Honestly a lot of the critique inherent in Caliborn's character and narrative role - whether directed by Hussie at himself, at older readers, at new readers or the "anti-fandom" - comes off as very naive. The things he uses Caliborn to criticise are often fine, while at other times it's painfully obvious Caliborn is just like Hussie himself and he doesn't realise it.

That said, Hussie sort of became his own Yaldabaoth by allowing the void to erode his will. Hussie started off as Eru Illavatar- I mean the Monad! Yes, the Monad, and then he lost all sense of priority and just let the comic fall to shit.

>>82941270
fuck you i read this shit since the start and QUIT in hivebent dont you DARE call me a hive bent fucking millenial

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aradia!

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>>82941305
For sure.

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>reading news archives for the first time
>working on the MC intermission and A4 simultaneously delayed both
>hussie says he won't do it again

>>82941312
The issue with Caliborn is that while he represents "The Haters", to the point of Hussie directly telling him why he's wrong, I really can't help but agree with him

uu: OH MY GOD. WHO CARES?
uu: IT'S JuST SOME MORE POINTLESS TRASH FOR YOu TO OBSESS OVER, AND DISTRACT YOu FROM GETTING ANY ACTuAL RELEVANT SHIT DONE.
uu: THE AMOuNT TIME YOu PEOPLE WASTE. IT IS FuCKING uNBELIEVABLE TO ME.
uu: I READ ABOuT SOME OF THE THINGS YOu AND YOuR PREDECESSORS HAVE DONE. FAR MORE THAN I CARED TO. TRuST ME.
uu: AND EVERY TIME. I'M ALWAYS JuST...
uu: *GET THE FuCK ON WITH IT ALREADY.*

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>>82941375
also

>HOMESTUCK 2.0 eerily foreshadowed

>>82941372
You can't fool me, that picture involves Roxy and a lolipop you dinkus

>>82941372
you can fool me, i have an erection

>>82941312
i thought the demiurge was a cool guy who wanted to make a perfect world but failed

>>82941305
T-there's still a chance, r-right?

>>82941393
As tvtropes would put it, the strawman has a point.

>>82941448
god i hate it when the image dimensions are slightly wrong
is it so hard to pad it out a little

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Does TES exist in Homestuck?

>>82941393
Or it's Hussie criticising his own work

>>82941330
Okay okay that was out of line, sorry.

>>82941375
IDIOT

THAT FUCKING IDIOT

>>82941393
I don't know. I think that's what Caliborn was initially, but halfway through Act 6, Hussie started having fun with him. He realized that Caliborn was a great vehicle for self-deprecating and self-referential humor, so he developed Caliborn beyond "my bad fans". That's why Caliborn is more "bad homestuck author" than "bad homestuck fan" at the end of Act 6.

>>82941393
im not sure that we are supposed to side with hussie against caliborn. ultimately, as lord english, caliborn was supposed to ghostwrite the story himself, so in canon he is as 'responsible' for the story as we received it as hussie's insert

>>82941393
I imagine that even though he's supposed to be the haters, Hussie probably agrees with a lot of the stuff Caliborn says

>>82941448
so the kiwi is just a WV surrogate right

>>82941506
how can one man have such good ideas and yet be so fucking dumb

>>82941499
thanks for the apology pal its cool between us

>>82941494
Probably. Jane was probably also saving up money for Skyrim.
>Skaia saved the B2 group from the horror of Skyrim
Based vidya/universe creation engine

>>82941393
In the end, he represented Hussie's mistakes as an author. And oddly enough he was the best character in Act 6 and embodied everything people like about Hussie's works while being a stand-in for Hussie's screwups.

I want to meet liveblog chan

I can't imagine Hussie writing Caliborn and not enjoying himself while doing it. The other characters, it's easy to imagine that he's just punching the clock, but Caliborn felt genuinely fun.

>>82941669
Me too. I want to talk with her.

>>82941188
There's no way in hell that I'm buying Hiveswap but I'll definitely be listening to the soundtrack based on that video and Radiation's past work.

>>82941669
>>82941718
i want to (spilers)fuck her in the ass[/spoile

>>82941708
Is it me or is there something wrong with her anatomy here?
Like her torso looks too short or her left arm seems joined to her boob or something.

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Do not bully breeders.

>>82941777
It's perspective

But nice trips nonetheless

>>82941779
I Will Bully Whoever I Please

>>82941777
i see it
if you look hard enough it looks like that's her right arm pointing forward instead of holding a camera
but it was a f r e e request so shrug

>>82941777
It looks like it was taken from an ultra wide lens, despite being a phone pic

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Homestuck's downfall is that it's like that one friend you have

You know, he's funny, maybe even brilliant. But the moment he senses he's approaching something even vaguely resembling serious conversation he'll make a joke at his own expense

I know Act 5 brought in tumblr and the trolls, and a lot of people say it marks the beginning of the end

Act 5 doesn't. Act 5 has shipping jokes but it's mostly an examination of how Sburb can go completely batfuck with a group of people who aren't mentally balanced.

It's a complete horror show and it's great. Act 5 Vriska is unironically one of my favorite characters, and Eridan going nutso was fantastic.

But then Act 6 comes along, and Hussie has to revive Vriska because the fans joke about Vriska being his waifu and EVEN THOUGH SHE ISN'T HIS WAIFU WON'T IT JUST BE OH SO FUNNY IF HE PLAYED IT STRAIGHT AND ACTED LIKE SHE WAS

CAUSE FUCK THE STORY MAN

WE NEED DANK NARRATIVE MEMES

LET'S INTRODUCE SKELETON BERNKASTEL AND SKELETON LAMBDADELTA WHILE WE'RE AT IT AND HAVE THEM COMMENT ON THE STORY

OH AND LET'S RESET THE FUCKING STORY AGAIN BUT LITERALLY RETCON IT

HEY GUYS DO YOU GET IT? HOMESTUCK ISN'T REAL

IT'S FICTION

ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN IN FICTION

I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND THIS POINT BECAUSE WE WILL REITERATE THIS FACT FOR LITERALLY FOUR FUCKING YEARS

>>82941779
>H1 JOHN
every time

>>82941836
i mean telephoto

>>82941903
one of my favorite moments in the comic

>>82941838
>LET'S INTRODUCE SKELETON BERNKASTEL AND SKELETON LAMBDADELTA
weren't bernkastel and lambdadelta both morally abhorrent

>>82941903
>this was the resolution to jane's character arc

>>82941838
>You know, he's funny, maybe even brilliant. But the moment he senses he's approaching something even vaguely resembling serious conversation he'll make a joke at his own expense
I like that friend because he never dumps his relationship problems on me or judges me for being emotionally retarded

>>82941903
poor little white girl

little did she know that in the other universe she was gifted a giant futa cock

>>82941956
It was more than fucking Jade got

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repostin for the night crew

>>82941305
There's already a flash animation of her involving a flashlight and her ass.

(It wasn't made by -8, fuck anyone not giving credit to the anon that blessed us with all those Joeys)

>>82941945
Lambdadelta was probably evil but had standards and ended up helping in the end from what I remember.
I just realized how similar the reception of Ryuukishi's and Hussie's two most well-known works is.
>Higurashi/Problem Sleuth is well-received
>Umineko/Homestuck has the potential to surpass the previous work, but ends up falling flat in the end and turning into a convoluted mess with an LOL FICTION ending

This is the Final Battle to determine Best Girl. One enters, one leaves.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10258651

>>82942003
Hey
It's
Joey

>>82942010
Aradia is cuter but Roxy is a more entertaining character

>>82941945
Lambda is actually a good guy, but Umineko Act 6, 7, and 8 are even more terrible than Homestuck's

And Calliope's perspective IS supposed to be flawed too, just not actively malicious

>>82941981
>jade gets fucked by two huge dogs
>jane gets fucked by two grannies

jade's was more appropriate because it was what she was hoping to achieve since the start of the comic. proof that hussie did ultimately care about helping his characters reach their core goals

>>82941779
>Jade against breeding
OOC

>>82942000
Yesss. The only thing either character needed.

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>>82942010
she will always be best girl to me

I wonder what Joey's "personality" will be like. You think she's going to be a confident motherfucker or more of an awkward teen scooting through by the seat of her pants

>>82942010
roxy is The Best Girl its a mistake to make polls that arent for second best since we wont learn anything

>>82942116
nufemale

>>82942064
>Act 6, 7, and 8
that's conveniently where I stopped reading Umineko

>>82942106
*Besides therapy.

>>82942116
Slut

>>82942116
She will be John but female. Curious, slightly weird but in such a generic way that it's not weird at all, makes funny observations on shit she encounters sometimes.

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>>82942064
>>82941945
>>82941838
It's rather amazing how similiar Umineko and Homestuck are

>both start simple with "meta" elements that still have relatively straight forward rules
>both slowly introduce more and more characters
>by Act 6 both works have contradicted their own rules with confusing vague concepts(Ultimate Self, Gold Text)
>Arguably three protagonists, the third of which comes about due to a weird story reboot
>The last story arc is mostly characters talking about their romance problems and then having a vague ending which makes no sense

>>82942199
You want another Rosekan? That would have ruined them. No, their dysfunction and push and pull made them good together.

>>82942064
>And Calliope's perspective IS supposed to be flawed too, just not actively malicious
I feel like Hussie didn't do a very good job of demonstrating this.

>>82942245
at least homestuck had good art most of the time

>>82942116
If you've played a lot of 90s Adventure games, imagine a generic female protagonist from one of them.

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>>82942229
Well, Joey is wearing a dog on her shirt, and Hussie has a dog fetish. Possible that she's Homestuck Jesus Grill edition

If I had my way I'd make her start out nice and become more and more ruthless

You know, like some people hoped Lord English's backstory would be

Do you guys want to play a game?
A guessing game?

>>82942229
john is way more than generically weird. not having any agency can hide how fucking weird he is when he does actually 'make decisions' for himself

>>82942244
>being_sprayed_by_a_boomer_in_Left_4_Dog.webm

>>82942289
He didn't, but in one his conversations with Caliborn he says "You and your sister don't really understand human relationships." and talks about how Calliope's well meaning approach is still heavy handed and wrong

>>82942334
okay
i guess that you're a gay loser ass nerd

Calliope is literally the most boring character, dear god do I hate her.

>>82942334
Is the answer Aradia?

people keep talking about shit in act 6 that i don't remember at all, when i remember damn near all of acts 1-5

>>82942410
>>82942388
No.
Here's a hint! I'm thinking of a cute troll girl.

>>82942303
I mean yeah Umineko's art was terrible but I grew rather fond of it
maybe it was some kind of stockholm syndrome type of situation but I thought it was charming

>>82942450
so it's Aradia then, right?

>>82942450
Then why'd you say no?
Aradia.

>>82942000
How does it feel knowing liveblogger ships karezi red?

>>82942450
>no
>here's a hint i'm a gay loser ass nerd
that's not what no means dipshit

>>82942450
It better not be Aranea.

>>82942462
It passed my criterion for good art.
If I can fap to it, then it's good art.

>>82942465
>>82942477
>>82942490
No!
Here's another hint: she's a little "big boned"

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>>82942462
The crying faces have their charm

I think there's a lesson in Umineko's shitty art

Like, if you're a writer who honestly thinks you can't succeed without art, why not try to make your own?

I mean, Umineko was a success, same with One Punch Man

Both works have TERRIBLE art, but the writing carried it

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>>82942508

>>82942508
your mother

>>82942508
callie ohpee
canon vriska
it's feferi again

>>82942399
Do you think she'd be better if she had her own set of amusing brain problems to complement her brother's?

>>82942508
fefe

>>82942508
Kanaya has a big bone and is not cute
Vriska is "big boned" aka fat and is not cute
Condy technically has actual large bones but is still just hot, not cute

What do you want?

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>>82942536
>>82942540
>>82942555
Yes!

>>82942485
little sad

>>82942244
>jade uses her vagina as a weapon, just launching babies out at high speeds
>it's how LE is ultimately defeated

>>82942270
I hate to break it to you anon, but it's too late to save them from that fate, they're both shit.

Their whole thing worked as friends as well just to note, they just never got much of an opportunity to interact meaningfully for any period of time after murderstruck. Then the retcon happened and killed it dead.

>>82942573
i want to hug feferi

where is liveblogger? did they lose the new thread?

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>>82942573
>>82942573
>>82942573

>>82942614
No shit, we're talking about what needed, past-tense, to happen for those characters instead of what did.

>>82942533
one punch mans art somehow further raises up the writing. its almost sbahj bad

>>82942610
>mixed time/space SBaHJ infants being glitched out of jade's womb at high speed, decimating LE and then escaping from above

>>82942533
opm was terrible but done by someone who's good at art
my ms paint scribbles will get nothing

>>82942773
they got so mad about dreambubbles being bullshit that they had to take a break and go outside

>>82942010
>One enters, one leaves
I mean, pretty sure that's not how it works but ok.

>>82942773
they were too angry with how ooc it was that god tier eridan ghost didnt kill the entire meteor crew that they went for a walk.

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>DAVE: ill be the ambassador to your mom
>ROSE: You're specifically wondering why I wasn't forthcoming with an answer to your question at the time, "hey who was that choice babe in the pajamas?"
Heh

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>>82942962
then i guess u should kill urself lol

>>82942773
She took a break, but she's back now

>>82942992

>>82942992
honestly all the dave freudian slip jokes are some of the best jokes in the comic

>>82942992
yes
YES

>>82942992
This is the last time Homestuck will be good

>>82942962
Make a shitty on purpose comic where your bad art is to your advantage

>>82942992

This was such an amazing chatlog.

>momtraps and sistertraps

So good.

>>82942992
>>82943055
They're some of my favorite jokes in the entire comic, and the increasingly Freudian situations Dave gets into is hilarious.

>>82943125
i tried
about 30 times

>>82943133
>DAVE: wait i forgot skaia doesnt laugh it just "sees" and "knows"
>DAVE: its like a huge blue perv thats mad jazzed for kidcest

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Friendly reminder of the following:

Aranea was the only character to have a complete arc, and she'll never fuck you with her thighs.

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>>82942992
BAW GAWD
holy shit is karkat real about this shit with terezi what the fuck? Seriously what the fuck is his deal? Like did this exchange just occur without the slightest hint of insincerity? Holy shit Karkat what the fuck
AND ANOTHER FUCKING ARM

>>82943173
Post attempt #30

>>82943203
This is it. Homestuck has stopped being good. You're past the absolute point of no return.

>>82943189
>only character with a complete arc
Caliborn had a pretty complete arc, as did I dunno, does Equius count?

>>82943223
This guy is exaggerating but the quality of the comic will be a lot less consistent from here on out. You still have a while to go before it gets REALLY bad though.

This all gets retconned lol

>>82942854
Still wouldn't have done much, they were terrible for each other. What Karkat needed was Kanaya to get off her arse and do something about his self-hate issues. Terezi? Fuck knows, once Vriska sinks her fangs in it's hard to escape her shit rubbing off on you.

>>82943203
He's a troll, this is normal to them
Although a lot of trolls aren't as beta as he is, so it was a bit awkward

>>82943248
Yes but it was also completely unsatisfactory.

>>82943214
it's all gone now
thank god

>>82943203
to be fair his species deals with clashing romantic partners a lot
he probably honestly thought it was the best way to deal with it

>>82943321
come on dude go make something like Bike Stunts

>>82943280
It wasn't normal even for trolls. Karkat wanted to be in a vacillating relationship with Terezi, switching between matespritship and kismesissitude. It would be more like a normal troll romantic situation if Karkat and Terezi were kismesisses (fuck spelling) while Dave and Terezi were matesprits, but Karkat wasn't suggesting that and Dave wasn't into the idea of quadrants at the time anyway.
What Karakt wanted was not a healthy relationship by human or troll standards. He even has one of his past/future self arguments afterwards explaining this.

>>82943350
unironically one of the best comics of all time

>>82943329
it has a twinge of desperation to it though
like he even referred to the novel as "trashy" himself and couldn't find a better example
it's like when a dude knows that his relationship is failing so he proposes an open relationship to his girlfriend

>>82943391
>. Karkat wanted to be in a vacillating relationship with Terezi, switching between matespritship and kismesissitude
but that is normal for trolls

>>82943427
it's not normal, it's pretty clearly an alternative relationship
we don't know exactly how common it is but karkat only had the one example so it's probably not that common

>>82943203
For as much as Karkat claims to be an expert on romance, he kind of sucks really bad at it in practice. This entire situation stems from him just not talking through any of it with Terezi at any stage in their supposed relationship. This is not to say she's blameless in the whole, stupid situation, but it just stands to highlight that the two kind of suck for each other as they currently are, filled with emotional issues up the wazoo.

>>82943203
penis Ouija was amazing

>>82943476
Karkat's actually pretty decent at giving out romantic advice to others, he's just shit at doing the romance himself

>>82943302
Caliborn was a slow boil, it didn't culminate in any large event, but rather happened over time.

>>82943408
oh yeah
but you cant blame him

>>82943391
Oh no, I didn't mean normal as in something the society would find normal, just as in something that happens normally to them, although you're right, he was basically trying to exploit a weird defect of his species so that he could have an unhealthy relationship with her, like >>82943408 says, which is the only kind of relationship that he thinks will work out that allows her and him to date

>>82943528
if you like karkat so much why don't you go hug him

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>>82943203

>>82943280
>>82943329
Like okay I get he's mad jelly the dragon wants the knight but that was seriously like creepy? If he gave a shit why didn't he talk to terezi about it instead of just deciding that was the way it was going to be? Or if hes weirded out by Dave why not find him in private instead of in-front of other people and just be upfront about how he likes tz too and he wants to pursue a quadrant with her? If dave doesn't care then he's golden but if Dave does then he can just go for the opposite or whatever.
Its honestly really fucked up, troll romance or not and completely disregards what terezi might want.

>>82943550
>karkat will never be real so you can hug him
sigh

>>82943507
That seems to be the theme with both the 'romance experts' for the trolls in Karkat and Nepeta, they give out good advice or seem to understand romance to a high degree. Yet their own exploration into the area is marred with difficulties.

Karkat's situation just stands out as he was in, he just had to talk to Terezi and figure things out. But somehow he manages to fluff the whole thing, though I suppose Dave's presence didn't help matters.

>>82943521
I meant Equius.

>>82943573
Didn't dave call him out on that? before the ghosts possessed his hand

>>82943528
I can and I will, dude had every opportunity to not fuck things up with Terezi, he was just too conflicted to not be a twat about it.

>>82943573
Hussie forgot how to write Karkat in a charming and smart manner

He is now Failure Mutant, forever

>>82943573

>JOHN: jade.
>JOHN: that is absolutely the shittiest ghost buster i have ever seen.

John, as always, is the hero we need.

>>82943580
As if you'd be satisfied with hugging him. I'm sure you'd torment Karkat in all sorts of ways, especially if he was even tinier than you.

http://www.strawpoll.me/10258897

>>82943644
RIP Karkat
caliborn stole your role

god the retcon was so terrible for dave and karkat

actually it was fucking terrible for everyone involved

What would have happened if instead of Dave and Rose going on the meteor and John and Jade going through the yellow yard, it was changed so that Dave and Jade went through the meteor while Rose and John stayed in the gold ship?

>>82943573
>I get he's mad jelly the dragon wants the knight
karkat is also a knight
terezi and karkat had been teetering on a relationship since before they even played sburb. he hates himself and doesnt think he can compete with dave in any regard. he probably thought that if he had actually asked terezi between him and dave (since dave doesnt like quadrants) she would pick dave hands down

>>82943669
How do you even contest that? They even became bros anyway in the good timeline.

>>82943679
It was terrible for the entire comic

except Caliborn

>>82943655
>tinier than angel
as if that's physically possible

>>82943573
Karkat has a not-so-weird thing where he hates himself, and he doesn't think of himself as worthy of Terezi, so he thinks he has to use trickery and rookery to convince her to stay with him, even though the entire reason she likes him is because he isn't a tricky dickhead that's mostly upfront about his feelings and shit

>>82943710

The obvious answer here is "lotsa fucking".

Of course, the correct answer would be "even more fucking than 'lotsa' could ever imply. Simply all of the fucking. All of it."

>>82943573
>why didn't he talk to terezi about it instead of just deciding that was the way it was going to be?
>completely disregards what terezi might want.
That's the crux of the issue, both he and Terezi have huge issues with just open about their intentions and no one tells them to just do the obvious thing and talk face to face about it. I hold Kanaya somewhat responsible for it, after the two perpetrators that is.

>>82943710
Litters anon, litters.

>>82943673
Karkat even drew shitty ms paint art and then defended it when people made fun of it

All his likable traits were given to the skeleton kid

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>>82943739
Karkat's a gnome

>>82943736
Nothing is bad for Caliborn because he's so great.

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>>82943710

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>>82943669
Okay who's the chucklefuck

>>82943756
This is assuming that lotsa fucking didn't happen anyways

>>82943783
>Vriska: Enter

>>82943787
>Caliborn is so great that even the shittiest events in the comic simply improve him
He was too good for us.

>>82943710
The retcon canonises communism instead

somehow

>>82943819
the janitor

>>82943783
four-foot-eleven "and a half" is a gnome too

>>82943857
He was too good for his own creator. I have no idea how Andrew did it.

>>82943881
Caliborn is his tulpa that got out of control and killed the old Hussie, leaving only a withered husk of a man behind.

>>82943879
are they in the sewer

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>>82943879
we wuz maids and shit

>>82943857
Caliborn should get his own comic where he just murders everyone.

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>>82943821

Good point. The fact that fucking happened all the time on both those trips is essentially a universal constant, incest or no.

>>82943881
If I kill Hussie, do I get control over his copyrights? That's how it works, right?

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>>82943715
Don't get me wrong I liked their interactions, the tower talk was really cute in its own way but the whole conversation here was super weird.
Like if he just went to her at least then he knows what the deal is instead of going through this whole charting song and dance and then finding out she's just friends with dave or god forbid his morial or something.
its just a super skeevy thing to read and see someone deciding they are going to be someone elses romantic partner and they'll split the time with someone else being played straight.
>>82943764
Fuck you think he could have gotten any sort of second opinion from anyone else about what the deal between dave & terezi was.

>>82943573

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>>82943939
We already had that

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Would you?

>>82943917
they fl0at karkat
they all fl0at
and when y0ure d0wn here y0ull fl0at t00

>>82943939
I mean, he killed some iteration of most main characters, is that good enough?
I just realized that we never saw ghosts of the alpha kids

>>82943977
Only if you defeat him in single combat with a ham

>>82941188
Joey looks like a girl.

>>82944023
We see them in Remember

>>82944022
0u0

>>82943998
We need more.
>>82944023
No.

>>82944044
He can't help it. Roxy made him wear a skirt

>>82944002
Joey is underage!
You can love Joey but not that way!

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>>82944022
NOBODY IS GOING TO ATTEND ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR LAME SHITTY UNDERGROUND SEWER RAVE CORPSE PARTIES

THERE ISN'T EVEN ANY GOOD DRUGS! NOTHING BUT ABSINTHE AND HUFFING PAINT FUMES.

>>82944055
Fair enough, but I meant more in the dreambubbles having interactions with anyone or anything.

>>82944002
WOULD I

>>82944022
>Pennywise turns out to be an image projected by a giant space spider
>Gamzee, the murderous clown, is mind-controlled by the spidertroll Aranea
HUSSIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

How exactly did fusing with Nepeta did it solve Davesprite's whatever shitty problem

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>>82943984
Cute!

>>82944106
that's because terezi was remembering them, but the first bubble lord english appeared in was the b1 kids', and he blew them up

>>82944083
that won't stop me this time

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>>82944121
LIKE POTTERY

*applause*

also, post babes

>>82943984
To be fair, whilst Karkat trying to go around Terezi's back to Dave and striking a deal out of desperation is pretty damn pathetic and creepy, it does have root in the reality of the situation. By this I mean, where Karkat's big issue is self-hatred expressing itself as over the top reactions to everything; Terezi struggles to be forthcoming with her actual emotions or motivations with things, instead hiding behind her whole cackling weirdo stick. It's a facet of her personality that is never really delved into, yet is arguably her biggest cause for problems right after Vriska.

So I can sort of see why Karkat wouldn't be too hot on talking to her about it, but then you have to wonder if they do actually work together given how such a simple conflict balloons into the melodramatic mess it does.

Hence the issue with
>you think he could have gotten any sort of second opinion from anyone else about what the deal between dave & terezi was.
Given there's Rose who would know the Dave side of things and Kanaya who would realise that Karkat is being a massive faggot and should just talk to the damn girl. It's all so stupid.

>>82944128
Davesprite now had a different point of view about their destiny as being a hero, and was also its own entity now, as opposed to just being Bird Dave.

>>82944136
SPOILERS: John gets forked hard, over and over again.

>>82944136
i want to tuck sleepwalking roxy right in the bed

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Kind of sad to think our true original John died a long time ago, and then got erased from existence. The boy we see at the start of the comic was doomed all along to let some doppelganger pick up where he was forced to leave off. I still don't know why Godtiering doesn't combine your dreamself and realself, it'd explain the flying at least, and be some nice parallel of bringing together all of yourself into a divine ideal whole.

Hell, I'm not sure *anyone* is an original by the end. All of them dead, and gone, their lives meaningless.

>>82944190
I wish a highblood would kill me. Slowly.

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what did he mean by this

i started the comic but this "homestuck" dude isnt showing up what the fuck

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>>82944168
sorry my HS folder is pretty empty. I only started saving images to use as references recently.

>>82944204
What happens when you ascend by sacrificial slab?

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>>82944128
He had underlying anxiety about not being "really" Dave. Then his intelligence merged with a Heart player and oh all the sudden now I get the identity crap now I can go be a flashy asshole.

>>82944204
>Why do you kill off all your characters?

Hussie: Dead characters have a funny way of sticking around in Homestuck. It’s a story with a very big cast. In a big cast not everyone can be a major character or enjoy the spotlight for too long. All stories with huge casts have certain means of letting minor characters recede into the background after they stop being relevant. In HS, death seems to be the line between relevance and irrelevance, more than anything else. Some ghosts then struggle to stay relevant in the story, but usually fail.

That’s one answer, which may or may not be satisfying to you. There’s another answer that is more practical. HS is supposedly a story that is also a game. In games, the characters die all the time. How many times did you let Mario fall in the pit before he saved the princess? Who weeps for these Marios. In games your characters die, but you keep trying and trying and rebooting and resetting until finally they make it. When you play a game this process is all very impersonal. Once you finally win, when all is said and done those deaths didn’t “count”, only the linear path of the final victorious version of the character is considered “real”. Mario never actually died, did he? Except the omniscient player knows better. HS seems to combine all the meaningless deaths of a trial-and-error game journey with the way death is treated dramatically in other media, where unlike our oblivious Mario, the characters are aware and afraid of the many deaths they must experience before finally winning the game.

>>82944217
yeah, i actually deleted all my images and homestuck stuff after the comic's conclusion, thinking i was finally off the wild ride

nope

homestuck 2.0

>>82944204
It's kinda the Ship of Theseus. Or maybe a better way to look at it is that they're different actors playing the role of one character, like Bond or Doctor Who.

>>82944128
Choose your own

a) Hussie is a hack
b) Space and Heart combined into a single consciousness gives him the insight he needs to realise that not being the real Dave doesn't matter
c) By being Davepeta he is no longer a Dave

>>82944204
>*anyone* is an original by the end. All of them dead, and gone, their lives meaningless.
caliborn

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>>82944168

Why is FemJohn so good.

>>82944136
Why does everyone not care she tried to kill Roxy twice for no reason?

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do you think this is the first time she saw rose's vagina?

>>82944204
>Sburb is a game where you kill yourself so some other version of you rules the universe
>it is supposed to be able learning to grow up
Who made this game

>>82944204
I think it's wrong to look at a dreamself as a totally separate person from the waking self, considering how all of them except for Jade are exactly the same in term of memory and soul, and how Dirk is capable of switching so freely between controlling his dreamself and his waking self. It's more like the dreamself is a splinter of you, and when one of these two selves dies the splinter breaks off as its own separate ghost, but before that you're not really all that separate.

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>>82944253
Hussie did a poor job of that, and made it feel very, very cold, impersonal, and almost hateful of life. Just a giant machine grinding down time and space, discarding life after life to a pointless end they can never experience, save for whatever doppelganger is lucky enough to achieve it.

>>82944290
he/she has cute feet

>>82944128
The same way that Mario getting the star solves his problems

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>>82944280
And there we go again, more irrefutable proof that Caliborn is the greatest character.

>>82944207
lots of other people in that situation are having redrom, blackrom, or weird attractive feelings

john's is just a "wut"

>>82944290
I want to punch that maleRose in the face

>>82944312
Absolutely not

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>>82944312
i love her
so much

>>82944290
FemJohn is pretty great

I also like Femquius a lot

>>82944290
It's literally just jade but with a different pair of glasses

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>JADE: when i was dead there for a few minutes, i had one last very informative nap
>JADE: when i was dead there for a few minutes, i had one last very informative nap
>JADE: when i was dead there for a few minutes, i had one last very informative nap

>>82944290
silly, optimistic girls are cute

>>82944312
god no. those two totes fucked like animals for a year straight in both timelines

>>82944351
Oh no, if anything I feel like that it was intentional, like with the countless amount of dead ghosts in the dreambubbles, the characters are but whims to fate and any who go slightly off course are killed mercilessly. SBURB is cruel.

>>82944401
you shut your lying liar mouth

>>82944387

You have shit taste, anon

>>82944411
What are you trying to convey, because I ain't got a clue.

>>82944411
she inherited the memories of both Jade Prime and Jadesprite

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fan adventures that ended up being more enjoyable than the last part of homestuck:

>>82944411
So that's why there's a John ghost on the quest bed in Remember? It's not that the "real" John stayed dead, but there's a transitory period?

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>>82944482
>JADE: when i was dead there for a few minutes, i had one last very informative nap

>>82944489

pretty much literally anything

>>82944290
Between Jane and Jade I don't feel like it would do anything interesting, honestly. If everyone in the comic turned into girls, John would be the only one I'd be fine with still being a boy.

>>82944473
she's cute and i love her. at least when she is in the same room as rose.

>>82944351
>>82944440
please read

>>82944237

>>82944440
It's worse than cruel. It just feels sloppy, and pointless. There was no reason for half of those decisions. It completely voided all reason to care about anyone. It's just meat perpetuating itself without any goal, and a trillion bubbles full of ghosts punished for existing wrong, before being erased entirely from existence by a force they had no way of affecting. It is some of the worst storytelling I think I'll ever see.

>>82944489
if (fanadventure.finished == true)
fanadventure.enjoyment = homestuck.actseven.enjoyment + 1;

>>82944492
He was dead there for a few minutes and had a nap?

>>82944529
Yeah. Turns out it's shit writing. Again. As usual.

>>82944492
the john consciousnesses merged, but there still ended up being 1 corpse, which i guess means that the souls are separate?

>>82944492
No it's because Hussie doesn't actually care about building any consistency in the systems of his setting. They are tools he can use to make arbitrary things happen as needed by pointing at new made up laws of reality, obfuscating the event's lack of explanation. Everything else is pure "who gives a shit let fans think what they want".

>>82944489
>fan adventures

I always intended to visit the forums one day and binge on fanventures, in the back of my mind I wanted to finish Homestuck proper first before branching off into fan territory. Too bad MSPAF is DAOOTS now.

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>>82944136
>Lord English's weakness is a gun that killed a universe
Neat

>>82944492
No. He left a ghost. The John from the start of the comic died there, went to the bubbles while his dreamself became a god, and then he was erased forever.

>>82944563
>>82944543
well, consider how most frogs breed: fertilize the eggs and lay a fucking huge amount of them in the hopes that some of them will survive

>>82944609
the archive website is alive and well, plenty of people are still updating there
http://mspfanventures.com/

>>82944612
you know I usually hated Hussie's inserts but I loved this one
>that slow bonk and slide down LE's face

>>82944580
maybe the memories just get copied into a character whenever a resurrection occurs
like we already know that paradox space is extremely wasteful with souls, maybe when Jade was god-resurrected, the memories from her dead self were copied into her new body, but her dead self was still dead and wandering the dream bubbles

can you prototype a fart

>>82944631
Honestly I just have to go with this >>82944343 explanation
to keep myself from hating Homestuck too much

>>82944631
Why was it different for Jade?

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>>82944612
Aren't these the same style horns that uu had?

>>82944638
Again, shit writing, the ideas could work fine but Hussie conveyed them in a very sterile and uninteresting manner that led to confusion, dissatisfaction, and numbness to events in the comic when it feels like life and death both have zero gravity

It feels bland as hell

>>82944612
>how ironic that you would die/be defeated near some horses
I never understood this
was it just nonsensical or does this fucking mean something

>>82944685
yes

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Requesting John Egbert in his starting outfit (depicted on the left) and with his back facing the viewer, tauntingly pulling his shorts down to his ankles and waving his butt (with his slime ghost boxers (depicted on the right) still on) at the camera. It's sort of like mooning, but with the underwear still on.

>>82944280
he still went god tier
i think jack noir, wv, and pm are the only ones?

>>82944683
Why do we think it was "different" for Jade? When Jade died, she had one last informative "nap", meaning she was in the dream bubbles, but since she was a dead this obviously means she was in the dream bubbles as a ghost. The same could go for John, who spent a short time as a ghost before reviving as a God Tier.

>>82944690
It later became relevant in the Masterpiece when ARquius sprite turned up with a bunch of robo horses, grabbed Caliborn in a chokehold and allowed Dirk to seal him inside Lil Cal.

>>82944690
It is preimportant for later

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>>82944510
>John uncomfortably trapped in a reality where all the players and villains are female
>this will never be an AU in use by anyone

>>82944738
how did arquius get to the masterpiece

>>82944690
Reread Caliborn's masterpiece.

>>82944204
>>82944720
and a bunch of other carapacians that roxy rescued and the consorts living on the shrunken planets?

>>82944681
Sorry man. The characters are all just copies of copies, all of them dropping dead to wake in bubbles to an infinity of nothing before they're nuked and eaten by the Black Hole Sun, if they didn't re-die screaming in rainbow hellfire.

>>82944752
like john is the only person in all of existence who has a dick

>>82944755
Caliborn doesn't know, therefore the audience was never told.

>>82944690
There's horses around in some form both times Caliborn gets defeated.

>>82944738
>>82944750
>>82944758
no see i get that it happens again later
but cal says "HOW IRONIC HORSES" etc. that time too
are they both ironic because of each other
like some irony mobius strip

>>82944690
In Game Over, Caliborn's masterpiece, and Act 7, he is defeated near horses. But the part about it being ironic is just nonsense.

>>82944688
What would you have done differently?

>>82944685
Yep.

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>>82944690
There are horses in the background in one of the tower shiots
>>82944685
LET SLEEPING DOGS LIE HOLY SHIT HER ARC IS OVER LEAVE IT ALONE FOCUS ON THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALIVE NOW FUCK

>>82944755
Using Lil Seb as a soulbot.

>>82944719
If you get this drawn from anyone make sure to mention that his John has to be peeking out a little.

>>82944489
I know plenty but am only going to recommend once they get finished.

>>82944792
yes. it's like Jake being named English because Alt!Jade took it from Caliborn was took the name from jake

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>>82941188
hello /hsg/

if you were a troll, how big of a slut would you be?

be honest

>>82944836
>her arc is over
lol

>>82944685
A moment of silence for Andrew Hussie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmUQOGtV71Y

>>82944836
haha

HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>82944780
The mechanics of dreamselves and going God Tier are too vague to make calls about "copies" and all that nonsense, that's kind of up to interpretation.

The Post Game Over characters are totally different from the pre Game Over characters though.

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vriska is the 8est!!!!!!!!

>>82944837
Hey, thats a good explanation to why gamzee even recovered it.

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>>82944836
>all of this time and effort
>for this punchline
Holy Shit
I really wanted it to just be a comic injoke but its real isn't it
This is where the comic nosedives

>>82944836
It hurts to watch.

>>82944836
Prepare your anus, from this point out, Vriska never goes away and also becomes the most important character in the entire damn plot.

>>82944510
>>82944752
>>82944787

How to start a harem comic, step 1. Just thousands of pages of the various ladies swooning over Egbert's mangrit

....I'd read it.

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>>82944836
AAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

I HOPE YOU'RE READY FOR MORE VRISKA

8UCKLE UP M8Y

>>82944860
around eridan's level
just lookin for a wwaifu

What is the deal with horses in this comic?

>>82944237
>some ghosts struggle to stay relevant but usually fail
>Ghosts who try to stay relevant are Vriska, Meenah, and Aranea
>Ghosts who end up relevant are Vriska, Meenah, Aranea, and Tavros
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS

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>>82944800
Oh hell man, it'd take me a good few hours to explain what I'd do in a clear manner

I guess for a fast set of ideas at base I'd immediately drop the bubbles, make it so that Godtier actually combines all of your selves leaving no ghosts, and the idea of what happens after death is left vague and as something that happens beyond even the Horrorterrors and the void, leaving them as an actual threat because they can steal your soul for themselves or drive you insane if you let a dreamself die and don't go Godtier like it seemed was gonna happen to Jade

>>82944943
yeah ok

i do feel like the dreambubbles are silly too

>>82944755

He was inside the robo bunny all along. Notice how the bunny disappears when Arquius appears.

>>82944927
It all started with a blog post that Hussie wrote called "horses are terrifying" or something. After that, there was another time when he held a donation drive in order to purchase a painting of a football player fighting a flaming steed. Hussie having an affinity for horses has been a sort of fanbase in-joke ever since.

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>>82944891
>Red
>Broken ear(horn)
>Damaged shades

remember when Rose somehow got memories from Davesprite's Rose?
like when Davesprite went back in time he destroyed his timeline, and erased his Rose and her dreamself
and somehow that woke Rose's dreamself?

>>82944787
No no, they come from planets where there are dicks. Just none of the characters that matter have any, leading to uncomfortable shortages and the morbid unspoken understanding that they will have to kill all their rivals in the Johnbowl after all the pesky adventuring is done. If there were no dicks there would be no context for John.

>>82944921
I'm surprised they didn't get sick of his antics and gangbang him, considering how horny they all were

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actually can we just talk about fan adventures a little
i read this one the other day and it was actually surprisingly good
http://mspfanventures.com/?s=7371

>>82944720
>>82944763
They were lost in the retcon. And it could have been the dreamself Caliborn who died on that bed.

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>>82941393
>The issue with Caliborn is that while he represents "The Haters",

>>82944969
they're a cool idea but ended up being pointless to the entire story, they were just bloat, and a LOT of it

>>82944896
gg no re
you've been entrapped by the legendary "get into Homestuck" prank

>>82944980
Holy shit

>>82945025
Caliborn was also lost in the retcon

>>82944896

No, the comic nosedives at the exact moment where the NEXT intermission begins.

You've still got one more maximum hype sub-act left.

And even as the comic goes to shit, one new character rises from the ashes and becomes the best character in the whole comic, so it's not ALL bad.

>>82944986
yup, was never clearly explained or expanded upon, and she likely still left a ghost to wander for doomed eternity

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>>82945000
>I'm surprised they didn't get sick of his antics and kill him
fixed

>>82944943
i'd still reveal what happens after death
the bonus panel after THE END is english playing a game of table stickball with MK and death

>>82945051
No, Caliborn was always in the retcon timeline. There's only one Caliborn in all of paradox space, except for the one that Predom Calliope defeated.

>>82945046
Also Lil Seb disappears off stage when Gamzee gets cut in half and doesn't make a reapparance in the masterpiece.

Basically somehow Arquius uses Lil Seb as a soulbot, bides his time building horses whenever Caliborn's back is turned and then in the masterpiece cuts Gamzee in half, jumps off stage, summons the horses and then goes after Caliborn.

>>82945025
oh wait, i just remembered that only player souls appear in the bubbles

guardians and consorts dont

>>82945058
we never saw her or Jade's Doom selves
you only get a ghost if you actually die as confirmed by Meenah

>>82945102
damn
why wasn't this theory more widespread? It answers a lot of questions