HYW/How's Your Webcomic? #254

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Scrub Authors GOODIE Bag

Here’s a short list of sites that any new webcomic artist or writer will find handy:

>*-Struggling to find that perfect FONT? Create your own using this link;
http://www.myscriptfont.com/

>*-Don’t forget to brush up on that ANATOMY:
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
http://www.quickposes.com/pages/timed

>*-What’s a list without some reference STOCK IMAGES?
People: http://senshistock.deviantart.com/gallery/
Scenery: http://www.shutterstock.com/

>*-Here's a big fat compilation of CHARACTER DESIGN REFERENCE:
http://www.pinterest.com/characterdesigh/

>*-Finally, here are some links to get a rough WEBSITE started up:
Easy to use tumblr webcomic theme: https://www.tumblr.com/theme/39018
Do’s and Don’ts for starting a site: http://pastebin.com/kNR2W5mV (embed)

>*-Here’s the contact sheet if anyone wants to put information down, like their site and webcomic:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwfOSHXfrgvcf--PkPz9jXL6p5RqIsrYvXYwgQpgT3k/edit#

>*-We also got a SKYPE CHAT room going on,
To join the chat, seek out 'starlinemike' or 'scribblehatch' and they'll add you in.

>Wise words from John Cleese:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qby0ed4aVpo

>Invisible Ink:
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_1.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_2.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_3.pdf

>Paper Wings
http://chrisoatley.com/category/podcasts/
https://web.archive.org/web/20140625035030/http://paperwingspodcast.com/

>Fonts for your webcomic on Blambot:
http://www.blambot.com/

>Writing Resources:
http://www.cienciasecognicao.org/rotas/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Robert-McKee-Story.pdf

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>>81378340
Ha! Of course as soon as I started to make one it pops up, I'm glad you did though. This isn't my main project but something I made for class. I want to post instead of lurking for once.
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>>81378511
page 2/2

The assignment was to make a comic that involved hiking and conflict/resolve

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Reposting today's update, in case anybody missed it. What do you guys think?

>>81378511
highness*
>>81378542
assassination*

this is pretty cute. princess has a bad case of pinhead in a few shots but it seems like it's mostly her hair.
the text is a bit too wobbly, but worse in the first page than the second.
man, you WOULD think the assassins would have learned that. You'd also think they'd have stopped doing the whole 'having a polite chat with her first before jumping to assassination after her first refusal' thing. heh.
but yeah i dig your art. draw more comics

>>81378643
i think her family is fucking adorable. why cant more guys in comics look manly like her husband? he's a cool guy

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lines for 3

>>81379091
hmm still not feeling the expression. just me but i'd straighten the eyebrows out. more like .- .- those are good smug eyes

>>81378994
Haha yeah I learned to not do the comic the night it's due. You should've seen some of the typos I had to edit out. Text is a big thing I have to work on.

but thanks! I have a lot of improving to do but I'm starting a big collab with a writer and ofc I'll be doing a bunch more assignments for my class. I AM majoring in comics afterall.


>>81378643
I really like this. How would you not notice your mom giving a guy a headlock two seats down though? That must be one really good movie to have their attention like that.

>>81379197
she's a NINJA

>>81379095
Did you not learn your lesson from posting in the last thread? Go away.

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>>81379161
been struggling with that. how's this? personally I like C

>>81379463
ahhh okay that works. though it could still be taken as genuine unadulterated daww, the context is adequate

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Man, i'm not looking forward to drawing the backgrounds

>>81379254
What are you doing here?

>>81380560
I'll email you.

>>81380731
epic meme

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>>81380731

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I want a lightbox.
I fucked up p2 here. I'll fix it in digital.

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I think I'll finally be able to commit multiple days a week to the comic again soon-!

>>81379953
I feel you. The more you do them the more you *can* do them though. Also, perspective lines are your friend.

>>81381650
ironically this page has no background

>>81379463
i like b, and with a "pfff" bubble instead of a "d'aww"

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I drew some noses last thread.

Also I did my calculations, and there are 53 characters. Dead, alive, or otherwise.

>>81382287
Learn shape.

Learn form.

Learn implied motion...

Oh who the fuck am I kidding you've gone 2 years not absorbing this, you're not gonna start now.

Rot the thread as usual you tumor.

Que Dewd Defense Force.

>>81382353
But these noses are many different shapes.

Also you cant really add motion to still noses.

Just wanted to know if my noses are nearing tumblr levels.

>>81381794
that shading though. mmmm.
>>81379582
i just realized i didnt see the choices and just reacted to what's there already
A is actually closer to what i was thinking

>>81382486
don't reply to that person
i wonder if it's the same as >>81379254 this one. probably.

in any case i don't think these noses are tumblr noses. tumblr noses are usually either very 'ethnic' or very muppety. or weird john K things with lots of round bloaty bits

>>81378643
Why are her boobs talking.

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>>81383511
oh anon, you'll catch up someday

>>81383511
cause she's a boob

ba dum tssh

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>>81379953
I feel like i'm almost done

>>81384221
I think they're right, though. What is trying to be communicated in the first panel? Seems kind of an awkward shot.

>>81378542
Really like your marks, man. One thing that I find a bit visually confusing is the summoning of the fireball. Do you plan to color this? If not it takes my eyes a few moments to figure out what is going on in that panel, it's too reliant on the next one.

Just my 2 cents

>>81385207
i suppose i'm pretty bad with shots, i never do them myself. just endless repetitive newspaper comic poses.. sometimes i try varying it up. i never would have thought of a chest-height shot unless something was happening to her tits or something... but the professionals all seem to do all different kinds of shots.

>>81384651
fix her torso in the 2nd panel at least though

>>81379095
What's the comic?

>>81386750
chaos in the tropics
same as it was last time you asked, bra

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Posted three new pages today. Feedback is always welcome.

http://www.cosmicdash.com/comic/episode-2-pg-24-2/

>>81387703
wings isn't a band in this world? i guess it wouldnt be...

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Hey all how's my MC looking?

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>>81385207
This is actually something that came up in critique and I agree, It would've been a lot better if I had like drawn the hand clearer and then put the magic around it.
>>81386162
ALSO since you brought up shots, another point of the assignment was to include 6 different shots using THIS pic! It's good to vary up shots anon. (sorry if the pic is too fuzzy the scan the teacher provided wasn't the best)

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>>81383511
>Why are her boobs talking.
>>81385207
>What is trying to be communicated in the first panel.

It's the 3rd of 4 panels of Jackie packing her books and putting on her book bag broken up by flashback panels in between them.

>>81388575
So you like her 15 year old boobs. Is that what I'm seeing?

>>81388710
well if he doesnt, i do

bumps

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>>81384651
I don't like being that guy but stop posting so many boring updates and finish the page. it's been like four days with the same four poorly constructed panels (not mentioning the weird ass action flow, but with the text added i may be in the wrong)

this is work for 2 hours, 4 tops with flatting/coloring.

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Updated
https://www.tumblr.com/blog/grabbus

>>81390757
i guess you could have picked a worse way to say that

>>81390824
you just gave us YOUR url. what you meant was grabbus.tumblr.com
this url we have to log in to see

>>81390824
>>81391016
oh my god dewd

>>81391016
>>81391075
Whoopsie!

>>81390757
You have no idea how time consuming drawing is for me. Also I only have a somewhat limited time to draw

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Prepping for a switch from black and white to color, trying to establish color palettes, pardon the unfinished figures/hands

Think this colored-in pencil-lines style will do well for the comic as a whole if I tidy up the lines sufficiently?

>>81391935
yeah this just needs more tidying and it'd be okay. well, some of them are fuzzier than others, so that needs tidying too. but i could see this working. reminds me of some book illustrations

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Let me know what you think.

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>>81393976

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>>81394019

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>>81394080

>>81394300
well i'm glad you got these 5 pages done because honestly i wasn't interested at all til now, and now i'm super interested

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>>81393976
Pretty good
VERY good

>>81393976
>>81394019
>>81394080
>>81394300
neat

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april 2008

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>>81396612

>>81393976
>page 2
wait, where's page 1

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>>81396658

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>>81396794

>>81396794
i hate this stuck up girl. fat dude just trying to get some

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>>81396828

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>>81396877

>>81396877
pfffhaha wtf

>>81396877
now i hate this fat dude too. way to ditch your bro to bandwagon with that cunt. whacking with both hands is not very high on the list of fucked up things people do with their penises.

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>>81396929

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>>81397045
that's all... for now

>>81397147
is this a budding love triangle?

>>81396743
Gotta leave room for a title page, yo.
>>81394990
>>81396246
>>81394564
Thanks!

>>81393976
It's really really dark. Like hard to make out anything that's going on dark.

>>81396877
wouldnt that imply a gigantic dong

>>81397147
>she wants to fuck

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Here's a WIP of the next page!

Who is the Miraculous moth? If you can't tell now, you'll definetly tell by the colored version.

>>81398672
too* dumb
without* resorting*

hmm can moths rap?

>>81393976
>>81394019
>>81394080
>>81394300

jaw dropping.
very good work!
probably one of the best things i have ever seen in a hywc thread!! wow!

and to the anon saying its "too dark and i cant see anything"
shut the fuck up whiny bitch
want some peanutbutter with all that jelly?

>>81397147
>>81396794
>>81396658
>>81396612

ive said this before and ill say it again

i love everything you are doing
im looking forward to buying what ever you put out
when you put it out

>>81400700
Thanks so much!
>>81398247 does make a good point though, unfortunately. Hopefully I can confine that problem within those first three pages.

The last panel for >>81394080 is jaw-dropping. I love how you draw branches, and I already love whatever's behind those eyes. Keep it up!

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This week on the Sisters; Erin pics up a bad habit. Also boobs. Gonna be a fun update come Thursday.
Got some web comic review talking points done because I was scouring the web to see who even does that and there are...so so very few. Might have to get back into it on principle.

>>81396612
Fish Club sounds awesome.
I remember seeing our thumbnails for this before, and I gotta say I really like how you're doing your colors here. Really helps carry the "whimsical directionless youth" tone. I'm also really enjoying these three characters and if this is to serve as introduction for your wider project, I think it'll be cool seeing how these kids are when Oliver falls into their life.

>>81394300
>That awkward silence.
Man, I hate that. Especially in dire circumstances, it just really interrupts this flow you expect to be going on. I went on a run once and saw a guy choking out a pregnant woman; and I had to run to a house and talk to some kid to get them to wake up their parent so I could use a phone, but he was just spending the night and it wasn't his house and I'm like "kid, you're answering the door at 6 in the morning in the slums and it isn't even your house? Can I talk to an -adult-?"
Art is good, story seems like it might be interesting. You got a site/link?

>>81378643
I gotta wonder what excuse she told her husband so she could run down an alley and beat a guy up. Digging the frustration she's got at choking people out. After awhile the silent takedown method has to get old, and people probably get drool on your arm.

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>>81386162
It makes more sense in context, but it's still a bit awkward. Yeah, you can have different "shots" at different heights of the body, but a panel should for the most part be focusing on something you want the readers to be seeing. You could have had the focus more one of the hands gripping the backpack strap.
If you're ever at a point where you are looking at a panel and are thinking I don't know, well professionals do all kinds of stuff whatever, you are not taking the composition of the page seriously enough. At least, that's where I'm coming from, you know? If you are looking for good poses, and different way to do different "camera" shots, you should check out old Harry Lucey Archie stuff. Those comics are dorky, but he really had worked up a great visual language with those characters. Sometimes I just sketch 'em when I wanna loosen up.
>>81388173
Yeah minor thing, looks really good dude.

>>81378643
Janice better get her priorities in order. the father may be an oblivious idiot but at least is committed to the family.

Or what do I know, bad guys aren't gonna beat up themselves.

>>81402872
No site or anything yet, I'm posting here mainly because I've been working in kind of a vacuum, and could use some outside opinions, but I'm definitely working on it!
>>81401046
I will!

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my book so far
the black haired one is the villain
the blonde is the badass

>>81397147
Really nice, I love the colors. You show minimal detail, but I still feel taken into that space.

Any reason for the panel structure? Looks like it's supposed to be two panels a page of a minicomic?

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Friends think this comic is shit so far. How do I make it better guys?

On that note, in panel 3 I have trouble deciding the cat's lines. red or green?

You people should be nicer to each other.

>>81403649
?

>>81403759
Are you confused?

>>81381454
Lookin good m8

>>81403774
Haven't read all the comments, but people seem mostly positive, maybe it was sarcasm or something?

>>81403800
I'm referring to an energy of these threads that hasn't been exorcised.

>>81403822
Sounds pretty spooky

I don't know, it's 4chan dude, just screen it out

>>81403800
last thread was REALLY bad.

>>81396612
Hmm, I think we both know a Frank.

>>81403922
Ah, yeah

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>1) How do I properly introduce characters?
>2) Do conversation have to always tie into the plot?
>3) What elements should I tackle when trying to build a character?
>4) Any tips for story pacing?
>5) Is swearing/cursing cheesy? or is it cheesy to tip toe around swearing?
>6) Should sub plot tie in loosely into the main plot?
>7) What does subtext mean to you?
I appreciate any help!

>>81403922
>>81404147
And nothing has happened or been learned that will keep it from happening again.

The snooze button was hit.

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Didn't see the usual Batman "Work on your art!" thread, so posting here.

Making character art for /tg/ related stuff, figured I'd swing by here and get an opinion on anatomy and all that stuff before going past the sketching phase on this doodle. Supposed to be a tall, rather thin Warlock.

>>81404208
1) Just think about what type of character you want to introduce and think of a suitable way of introducing him, kinda like how in an action movie you always introduce your hero as a ''cool guy'' or if it's a romantic comedy or whatever you show your character doing wacky things because they're loveable and whatever.

2) it's perferable that all things should be part of the plot, or else you have filler, or disjointed storytelling, this does not apply to foreshadowing another possible story, however.

3) Building character is telling a story, and stories are usually told by characters actions and reactions, aka how a character behaves is extremely important to the story because what makes him/her happy/sad/angry is going to be what moves the plot along

4)Just have the ''Hero's Journey'' more or less in mind when writing, it's best to have each scene be as dense as you can make it

5) I'm indifferent to cursing, characters can be angry/happy/sad without resorting to cursing, it also depends on the age group your making this for, either way it's best to not do it too much.

6) Pretty much everything has to revolve around the main plot, a subplot is there to mainly develop a side-character or character behaviour who just couldn't go along with the main story traditionally, in anyway by the end of it it all must fall back on the main plot and influence the status quo like anything else that's happening

7) Subtext means quite a lot, body language, even in comic form can tell you all about a character, so do angles, scene blocking, character postures and placement all can pretty much carry a story on its own, but you have to gather yourself a lot of reference to understand how it works and how it should be done, I personally learned it from watching and studying tons of movies.

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>>81404208
This is stuff that mostly depends on you, and the type of story you want to tell. Dialogue can be just used to flesh out characters, some people make comics where all it is is plotless dialogue, and their main interests are in presenting something as a character study.

I think it is cheesy to have swearing that is then censored in some way. You don't have to have swearing, but if you want to depict realistic conversations, even little kids cuss.

Stop cussing!

The rest of that stuff you gotta figure that out for yourself. At least have some sort of rough draft you can then go back on. No point in being overly prepared when creating a new story, everything will always end up changing in some way anyhoo

Pacing is essentially done panel to panel, so having a rough sketch is important so you can see how it reads.

Makes me think of this. I like how this advice reads as a comic, I don't know how it works as advice. It itself is a really well crafted manga, though, so there ya go.

>>81404404
>>81404404
Thanks anon for the solid reply! I saved your answer and printed it for future reference

>>81404490
>>81404404
>>81404208
We should establish some sort of comic book clinic

I appreciate unique questions and confident answers and im sure others will too

>>81404598
It is nice to have a space where different opinions can be taken into consideration

>>81404756
Should we start up a site then?

It wouldn't be too hard to launch
Its unfortunate that /co/'s archives are only temporary because there have been some great discussions among these threads in regards of creating

>>81404395
Anatomy is mostly fine. One arm's a little longer than the other.
The values are kinda boring though. Like, if that palette is supposed to have highlights, midtones and shadows, you really need to push them further apart.

>>81404827
That's not really for me, so I'll pass, but thanks for thinking o yer pal anon

>Its unfortunate that /co/'s archives are only temporary because there have been some great discussions among these threads in regards of creating
I just poked my head into this thread today, seems p cool. I like seeing people make shit, goddamn making shit is great when it's not a horrible pain in the ass

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>>81405090
As of now I'm still in the early sketching phase, eventually I'll get to making highlights and adding details like small tears and rips as well as creases in the fabric, for now I'm still erasing and redoing the top half of the robe to get it to match the bottom's layered look better since that one looks far too stiff to me.

>>81404208
>is it cheesy to tip toe around swearing?
It's only cheesy if you censor yourself. That kind of sh*t in webcomics is the worst.

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>>81405661
>see

>>81405661
Yeah, if you really don't want swearing in your comic, just don't have your characters swear.
There's some comedic potential to be found in inoffensive depictions of swearing like *bleep*s, [censored]s, *********s and grawlixes, but "sh*t" and so on are pointless. If your audience can handle knowing what word's being used, they can handle reading it without an asterisk.

Actually, I can think of one use; if a character is incredibly wholesome and inoffensive, it could be funny to have them speak incredibly mild insults in this way; d*mb, l*me, st***d, j*rk, etc.
I guess there might be other situations where you'd need to both see something being censored and know what's being censored for the point to come across.

>>81405661
Personally I find censorship with bizarre priorities absolutely hilarious. Like "I fucking hate those g*d-damn niggers"

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i wish this guy would reveal the secrets of comics

> Didn't see the usual Batman "Work on your art!" thread, so posting here.

If you don't see it, then start it. You don't need anyone's permission to do that.

>>81406139
What in the world makes you think Val Valentino would be an expert on comics?
Also, comics don't have any secrets worth mentioning anyway.

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>>81406264

>>81404208
>Introductions can be handled multiple ways, but you should always keep in mind that the audience's first impression is important.
>Every conversation should matter, even if the part that matters is that it doesn't "matter". When your characters converse, they either progress the story or reveal elements of themselves through their interaction. If you want a good example of important dialogue that isn't about plot, look up The Maxx.
>What your character is "about" is entirely dependent on your objectives. What you're writing about and how define whether you're tackling emotions, traits, actions, whatever. There's no right answer to this.
>Never write a story you can't effectively tell in 300 pages or less. That's not to say that you should never go over that, but if you are unable to tell it and make it work with that much room, it's probably got a lot of unnecessary elements and redundancy floating about. Draft your story and think "if i crammed this down to as few pages as possible, how long would it be and where would the beats be placed along the story?"
>Swearing isn't necessary, but some people do swear. Think about your characters, your tone, and your audience and decide what you want to do.

Bamps.

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Another week, another page finished!

>>81393976
Excellent work overall; it's got a great atmosphere to it and that sky is just beautiful

>>81404208
>>4) Any tips for story pacing?

I thing I would suggest for a webcomic is to make sure that every update feels "worthwhile; that'll depend on the update rate, but for example since I update only once a week, I make sure each page progresses the story conciderably. But the main gist of it is that each page should try to tell it's OWN short story

>>81402985
>Cutting off at the feet.
That triggers me because I used to do it a lot

>>81400971
one of the problems is, monitors vary wildly

>>81402872
you could write a goddamn book about your crazy adventures, man

>>81403155
haha what is going on here
>>81403319
oh daaamn. this is great

>>81403356
split the difference. 'but admitting that means you aint'

>>81404208
use of language is always inherently alienating, that's the point. just choose who you're going to sound like, and get it right.
>>81404395
cooool outfit. legs seem a bit short but it might be illusion.

>>81407555
10/10 reply

>>81405941
'fuckin A' is my favorite. you hear that constantly. you never hear 'effin ass'

>>81400823
Thanks! It means a lot.

>>81402872
Thanks - I'm making these comics to warm up to writing these characters again. They're technically 'prequels' but it's mostly flexing. Also glad you like the colors/tones - wanted to avoid inking but still let the images read as 'complete'.

>>81403216
Thanks as per above! I wanted to try the 2 panel after I saw how Sam Alden used it in Hawaii 1997/Anime. Plus I'm making these in a relatively short amount of time to be printed (14 pages + cover) - 28 panels go farther divided in twos than they do divided in eights. tl;dr: 2 panel = more pages for less content

>>81403931
Yes - took the Santoro Course in 2014, my best choice of the decade.

>>81410122
I skipped the last two points, so it's 7/10 at best.

>>81409247
I love seeing these without dialogue
>now i'll tell you a story SHH, the seals are listening!
>so the first thing you need to know is, I have a leg. (that's great)
>not everyone has a leg, you know. I do! (you've got two of them)
>(ugh) pretty sure that's something's leg you're eating, too!
>in fact, it had two of them! (!)
>what's wrong, does it bother you to know some creature walked around on those before you ate them? Here, have some more. That'll fix it
>DOn't you laugh, we're putting you in the next batch. Wha? (oh right, I forgot I'm a frog)
>Ahh but what you don't know is, he's a poison dart frog. So unless you want a big mess of death and diarrhea.. ehh nevermind, we had that for breakfast.

also
i can't tell how many times i've lowered a panel to make room for the feet i wanted to draw. sucks if the next panel over really doesn't need to be that high

>>81410220
Very cool, I took one last year, same sentiment. Looking forward to more of this story!

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haha context.

>>81410192
... doesn't the "A" in that phrase stand for "awesome"?

>>81412042
oh. i thought it was ass.

>>81403777
Thanks.

So apparently Tapastic is really good for your readership and that dork who told me "Never buy a house on rented land" twice many threads ago was fulla HOOEY.

>>81413004
tell me more. i am curious about the whole story.

>>81413004
What kinda numbers you doin'?

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Fig 1
No nose. Longer limbs. Angrier looking. Sharper lines
Fig 2
Nendoroid style
Stumpy legs. Big heads. Button nose

What should I go for?

>>81413004
weird. why didnt those people just go to your normal (much better) website?
granted, if any comic works on tapastic it's one like yours that you read in batches at a time.

>>81413314
without seeing the same characters in both styles it's a bit hard to decide. right now i like them all

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>>81413314
Story is gonna be action oriented
Originally the cute style was gonna be slice of life but seeing some giant headed cute looking things beat each other up could be interesting

Though I'm leaning towards number 1
Since they don't look so human and I feel if I make a fight scene like pictures it's better off if it was some alien/creature

>>81413337
Tapastic is a community of people who are actively searching and browsing for comics. It's generally seen as easier to get eyes on your comic on Tapastic, at least initially, than on your own website.

I still firmly believe you should have ONLY a website that you control, because in the long run it's better for ad revenue purposes (and since you can control EVERY aspect of website design it can be more tailored for your needs and the needs of the fanbase). Tapastic does ad revenue, but its 6 cents per 1000 views (last I checked) which is hilariously low compared to returns for sites with similar view numbers from sites like Project Wonderful.

I also think the Tapastic site design in general is just absolute garbage, completely against how I prefer to read comics, but that's just my opinion. The ad revenue thing is a measurable fact.

>>81413220
>>81413214
>>81413337
I'm not on it yet.

Friend is. His numbers are darn big.

The fact that the numbers can be big, breaks the argument thrown at me.

>>81413475
6 cents every 100 views, not 1000. My bad.

It's still far lower than other advertising opportunities out there that require you have your own website.

>>81413566
I'm sure it will work out phenomenally for you, just like advertising on 4chan did.

>>81413475
>Tapastic is a community of people who are actively searching and browsing for comics.
why? I guess I don't get people anymore. with their phones and their rap music

>>81413566
That seems like flawed reasoning. He might have had even more views on a site of his own.

>>81413566
that's not the part people were arguing against, dude. of course you can make money on it

>>81413004
>>81413566
>brags about how great Tapastic is for views
>without ever actually trying it himself

>>81413627
Yeah I can't recommend advertising on 4chan. There's a reason the space is so often vacant. It's 80,000 views for 20 dollars. Not ad-clicks, or unique hits. Just views, period.

That information isn't for you, but for anyone curious. With you, you just seem to despise me, and the feeling isn't mutual.

I was just telling people tapastic is fine. Someone may have still been under the misapprehension, if their only exposure to the subject was that last argument I'm referring to.

>>81413812
How would they have found it to begin with?

One of the biggest obstacles facing webcomickers, is people finding your work for the first time. It's the most uncomfortable catch-22 that hardly anyone is talking about, except in the vaguest terms. "It's hard." "Networking is important." "Do fanart." None of them wrong, but all of them vague.

>>81413843
I wasn't talking about money. I was talking headcount. It's fine if other people talk about that, but I wasn't.

>>81413925
Yeah man.

>>81414046
if you thought people were saying you couldn't get VIEWS you misunderstood the argument even worse

>>81414111
I think you're misunderstanding my misunderstanding of anything.

>>81414167
I'm that guy you mentioned in >>81413004. I was referring specifically to revenue, not views. While views and ad revenue tend to go hand-in-hand, I was never talking about views specifically. Just revenue. So yes, you did misunderstand the argument.

But you'll never admit it. Just like you'll never admit that your comic is bland shounen knockoff garbage, and that's why it hasn't become more successful.

No, it's unsuccessful because advertising doesn't work! It's unsuccessful because of sick trolls who dare criticize your comic publicly! It could never be the fault of you, the creator!

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Oh man, here comes the drama

>>81414990
i really dont fucking understand any of it. i seriously do not understand. i think it's just one person.

>>81413386
my comic is going to be a slice of life with a fighting finale for laughs

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>>81414888
I'm not sure why you're bringing up my comic. I hadn't. u:

But yes, if you do have a criticism, it's fine wherever you post it. Just make sure it's objective. And if you want a back and forth that gets a lot more communicated, clearly and concisely, email is the place to do it. There's a few reasons but one of them that requires the least nuance to explain is: "Ah yeah, I thought that too. In the future I was actually thinking (MASSIVE SPOILER)." Every editorial conversation involves revealing one spoiler or another. It's the best way to strategize. Why would I ever do that publicly? Would you? Would anyone?

Again. Not information for you, but the general public, reading these posts. That's my opinion on these issues. I don't make it strictly about me or you or anyone. My goal is to be consistent. And I don't think you treat other people this way. I accuse you of being inconsistent indeed sah!

If you'd like to sling mud, there is no stopping you. But these revenge-sleights and personal vendettas do confuse the rest of us. I mean look at this: >>81415081

People don't know who you are or why you're acting like this. What good is it, if you cause this? Try not to. Yes, I realize I'm trying to appeal to a sense of decency. It's crazy. Just crazy enough to work, maybe.

>>81414888
Real question here. Were you once in the skypechat?

>>81415602
I think they're persisting because you always reply to it. Don't feed the trolls etc.

>>81410537
>So unless you want a big mess of death and diarrhea.. ehh nevermind, we had that for breakfast.

Hey, between that and bread that wears down your teeth due to the bits of rock from the quern-stone, perhaps a night of diarrhea isn't so bad every once in a while!

>>81418132
this. scribs is great. his comic, while not flawless, has awesomeness that speaks for itself. but his general behavior and attitude are NOT helpful

>>81418132
Meh they wreck the threads whether I reply or not. It's not like they're gonna stop.

I'm using this to get some general information out there. Not for them, but for spectators.

>>81418177
My recent behavior has been fine, sir. And my attitude even better.

It's not horrendous just to respond to what's happening. I mean c'monnnn.

>>81418150
Hey SP, you're on Tapastic, right?
How's your readership there compared to your own site?

Everybody should just stop replying to Scribblehatch. That's far more realistic than trying to convince him not to reply to them.

>>81418414
No really, were you in the skypechat at one point? Be real son.

>>81403319

This looks fantastic. All I can suggest would be to put a uniform white outline around the text at the bottom. It looks a bit weird how certain parts of the word are outlined in white and some aren't. A uniform white stroke would help the text really pop out from the page.

are tripnames preferred in these threads?

>>81418695
We've got namefags, tripfags and anons. Feel free to do whatever.

>>81418568
That's a page from "Sharknife" by Corey Lewis, and published by Oni Press. Someone brought it up last thread; it's not anyone's current webcomic.

>>81418695
Only so people can identify you with regard to the particular strip you work on. I just use a name myself, rather than a full tripcode.

>>81418695
Tripnames remove confusion of who the post is made by.

That's all.

Preferring that, or not, varies on how you feel about that concept.

Some people use the word 'tripfag' and that shows some of their feelings on the concept.

>>81418695
the rule of thumb is if you're confused about whether to use one, only use it while uploading

>>81414888
>>81416253
>>81418414
>>81418434
Alright, given the way you don't just flat out respond 'no' has me assuming you have friends with you in this constant heckle. "Hey guys check this out haaaaaa"

You were in the skypechat, and your friends know this. And to lie to me about this, would cross a weird line with them too. Right? And you don't want to say yes, because that would narrow it down who you actually are. It's the only sense I can make of you not responding to this question.

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Does this joke make sense?

>>81419927
yes, cute too

>>81419927
HA. BECAUSE BEARDED AXE. IS FUNNY
no actually yeah i think that joke works. it's just the preposterousness of shaving with an axe, coupled with the silght ambiguity of 'wait, is this chick so butch she shaves her face even? because usually when people talk about using things to shave with theyre talking about their face'

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>>81420126
>>81420216
2 for 2 so far, that's good.
I was kind of worried people might skip past the facial hair interpretation and assume she was talking about her legs or something but on the other hand I feel like I'd risk ruining it if I made it more obvious.

(I don't think Skeggöld's axehead goes down far enough to count as a bearded axe, technically. Probably closer to a broadaxe or a horned axe)

bump
wtf

>>81393976
Love it!

>>81423308
Thread is dying because a certain someone posted in it and another certain someone decided it would be a good idea to reply to him.

>>81423473
not that part, the posting speed is relatively normal. i meant how we hit page 10 so quickly
and now we're already at page 7 from your last post

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I'm trying to make a villain in a similar vein as pic related. I'm trying really hard to not just steal this one. Any one have any ideas?

>>81424632
doyou m ean literally or just thematically similar

>>81424729
kinda literally, I'm making a comic about "super" heroes that could actually exist and "super" villains that could also actually exist. That guy is perfect.

>>81424632
Seems edgy

>>81424799
all my ideas are pretty wacky. like rigging himself up with a suit that wirelessly sends a signal to injure kittens wired up elsewhere, if anyone punches him

>>81424986
I'm going for wacky. That's a good direction you're going in

>>81425038
oh okay. well if we're allowing wacky, then...
>steals the constitution and folds it into a suit of origami samurai armor. he's done this in the past with rare books. but the constitution is just one page so he xeroxed it a lot. good luck finding the original and avoiding damaging it!

>>81425140
I'd read it.

>>81425294
i like to think i'm pretty good at the silly superhero genre.. i learned from the best. the tick, justice friends, stripperella...
it pisses me off when people sillify good existing cape franchises though. why not make your own?

>>81423308
>>81423473
>>81424519
to be fair there are a lot less posters this time around

>>81423473
Were you a member of the skypechat or weren't you?

>>81426919
indeed, the part that's surprising me is more how rapid /co/ seems to be tonight
i guess animation domination is contributing now

how much freedom should you give the audience in a CYOA comic.

and how often should you try to update it, i would imagine it would be a bit more frequent than a normal web comic.

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It was mentioned a few threads ago that my lines were too fat and wobbly, my anatomy was "inconsistent", and that the art was very rudimentary. I've been trying to work on that and I feel like I'm getting better every page. How would you rate this progress over 19 pages?

>>81428097
an improvement, but still a ways to go

>>81427575
if you've just started out, it's good to update as much as poss. even multiple times a day if you're using a forum (so people can easily catch up on all the new stuff in a row), that's how prequel did it at first.. just one panel at a time. even recycling them a few times with slight variations to move the story along

>>81428097
don't even know what's happening on the right. it's still pretty bad

>>81428097
tremendous improvement. in another person i'd expect that to be a year's change
but those years are like, age 10 to age 11. keep it up man! keep going. it's a pretty long road, but you're.. in a car.

>>81428127
>>81428407
Thank you. Glad I'm getting somewhere.
>>81428280
Alright, well what stands out to you? What can I work on?

>>81428756
second guy you quoted there, answering for the third:
ehhh there's not much RIGHT at the moment. you gotta keep working on everything. which you clearly have been. but fundamentals of construction are always a good place to start

i mean that's not what i did, but you don't wanna improve as slowly as i did

>>81424632
a villain who's power is to transmit like double the pain he receives to whoever?

>>81429009
whose*
just FYIing you in case youre doing a comic. make sure not to make that stnank, pal

also yknow bumping

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>>81430622
>stnank

wat

>>81431045
definition 2, m8

don't die on me, thread. i'm comin back tomorrow with a new comic. hopefully.

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Not really liking the grass in that first panel, eugh... I gotta figure out a way to make it look good.

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>http://www.goblinscomic.org/

>https://www.patreon.com/Goblins?ty=h

What is his secret?

>>81435543

What are you on dude, the grass in the first panel looks awesome. Like a nice comfy rug. I personally love it. If you wanna try changing it the only thing that comes to mind is making it sharp points, but meh, i prefer comfy fluffy grass.

>>81435543
Well, it's got a few issues that I can see:
The outlined lumps of grass are too blunt. They're exactly the same shapes as the leaves of the bushes in the background. Something sharper might be better.
The grass that's suggested by the jagged edge of shadows is too short and regular. It feels like a well maintained lawn, not a jungle. There's no bare patches, either.

>>81435607
>passable art
>edgelord appeal
>spun off of a well established franchise
>11 years of consistent updates
>11 years of aggressive attempts at monetization

>>81435543
this is really cute
the sudden bleed in the 5th panel bugs me though

>>81435607
we can get there too
we can get anywhere! id like to think so anyway

>>81435543
her new design is way cuter man

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How big of an asshole can protagonist be for people to still like him?

>>81436940
as long as the rest of the characters arent on their dick(liking them for no reason/putting up with their shit just cuz) pretty big

basically as long as their not a mary sue

>>81436979
On related note, how big of an asshole can a character be to still be waifuable by creeps?

>>81437124
you dont chose the waifu
the waifu chooses you

>>81437124
They can be woman hating semi racists and it'll be alright.

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3's done, really excited to be almost done with the introduction strips.

>>81439554
Bit of a nitpick, but having your text bubbles all mashed up to the edges of the panels like this feels weird. Have them overlap or put some empty space inbetween.

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drawing is hard, yo.

>>81418177
It's okay, but it's like, Cucumber Quest tier slow, maybe even a little worse, and has a less regular update schedule. They have nearly all the same problems. But yeah, like Gigi, he wouldn't get pooped on nearly as much if he wasn't so easily provoked.

>>81436940
Your audience can enjoy mass murderers as protagonists as long as you handle it well. The main points to focus on are not making them perfect, not having the cast TREAT them as perfect (unless it's dripping with irony and you have at least one foil, see Death Note for a strong example of a beloved monster), and making sure they're distinct and interesting as people.

>>81439554
one last thing
>she gonna trip when she sees me
you mean trip as in trippin'? because that doesnt make sense in this context

>>81436940
Somewhat indirectly showing him do fucked up stuff, Alex for example, the first few scenes of the film doesn't show him beating old people up and raping women directly, the monologues are there to sorta make the audience sympathize with Alex and like him for his personality rather than by what he does, not to mention, every other character around him is an asshole, a coward or a fuckwad that the film doesn't bother to try and make them likeable.

>>81440096
Look on the bright side - if you ever by some quirk of fate find yourself in a situation like having to snipe a man who's taken your dog hostage or do amateur bomb disposal, odds are your hands won't tremble at all.

>>81441607
In Hell your hands are shaky; you forgot to wash out the brush last night; the microns are all the (same) wrong size and the eraser is under the table, again.
Forever.

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Motherfucker...
I just got refused into an animation program.
Long story but it was a mistake on part of admissions. The teacher himself who kept helping me with my portfolio was shocked. Since everyone who applied supposed to receive mail saying to go to the portfolio review.
I am so fucked.

I am 25 now.

I need to find a way to into comics.

>>81442067
Make one yourself you lazy shit.

>>81442081

I've got a backlog of comics. They are somewhat shitty and maybe not too appropriate outside this thread. I just feel really down.

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>>81442129
Welcome to the amateur comic artist world. Enjoy your stay.

>>81442067
That sucks anon, but remember; there's nothing you can learn in the classroom that you can't learn by yourself.

It's just harder.

Nobody in the illustration world, or animation, or comics, will give a fuck if you were part of an organized animation program or not so long as your portfolio and past work is fuckawesome.

>>81442464
Hey, >>81442067 here. Thanks.
I honestly just needed to hear that, never did before, but thanks to you I feel a little better and today I'm going to go ham on some concept art. I began writing a backlog of ideas that I'll pick from first.
I just managed all my shit since that post to figure out how to go on about this.

>>81442601
Don't be mistaken; when I say it's harder, I mean it's a lot harder. Learning a skill without anyone pushing you forward but yourself is a completely different beast to guided learning. I'm not good at pushing myself, and it took me over half a decade to finally get off my ass and start improving at a reasonable rate.

Maybe I'm just projecting and you're gonna have a totally different experience, but just, watch out you don't let time slip away.

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>>81443648
I've already let time slip away for too long
So yeah
I'm consistent now more than before
But only with drawings everyday and not actually producing shit
Aside from this
Thinking of making a lighthearted webcomic about two dads and their sons
Thinking of having each son next to their dad actually be a fuck up and the other dads son instead
You can see ones got sharper hair
And ones more fluffy
The fluffy ones are more aggressive
Stop me if you've seen that before

>>81443752
>Stop me if you've seen that before
That's not bad. Something that's a little bit cliche will give you a lot of role models that you can get inspired by/rip off when you're not sure what to do or where to go. And it will make it easier for you to not get too invested in a project that's almost certain to be deeply flawed because you're a noob.

When's the first update? How many days a week are you going to update?

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>>81444127
I'm normally better with a pen
Traditional.
Shit gets done faster.
I agree about the cliche. Been done before but it's not like I ripped off someone. It's just a thing.
Here's a fight scene I whipped up.


Very fun fact: see that equil? I never used it. Could be a good way to draw on paper and get that online, right?

>>81442067
>The teacher himself who kept helping me with my portfolio was shocked.

Probably because your teacher also sucks.

>>81441175
how so?

>>81418326
Not very high, but it's my fault for not keeping up with it.
I was going to upload a new "episode" each time I finished a chapter on my main site, but part of it is just me being too tired to do it once I finish updates, part is me being too busy with work & social life to keep up with more than one site (I haven't been too active on tumblr either)

>>81437124
you're on 4chan and on /co/, you should know that people will waifu anything

>>81439753
i semi-disagree. in order, i prefer overlapping, then squished up against, then a biiiig gap, then empty space between

>>81442067
if it was a mistake, doesn't that mean you can just apply again in 3 months

>>81443752
i like this. and i like the idea of a comic about dads and sons. you add some barbecued meat into that and you've got an instant subscriber
you were the one worrying about how chibi to make them earlier, right? i like this style now, you seem to have a handle on it (for the most part. sometimes eyes drift too far apart) but at this level of detail, i would add noses. just simple sidetriangle anime noses

>>81446108
a year.

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http://bug-quest.tumblr.com/post/142207196875/
She likes to drop in unnanounced

>>81447627
are the bee and the moth going to fuck

this is important

>>81446198
booo

>>81447746
they're both girls, anon

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draft 4 revised dialogue to hopefully improve flow. thoughts?

>>81449326
So, they DEFINITELY are going to fuck.

>>81449562
note: one thing that concerns me is the construction of the last panel.

you don't get to read "kill em all johnny" in the back before you read the kid asking 'who's johnny", and it is jarring. suggestions? i'm thinkin make the background text smaller and more legible.

>>81449634
well i suppose actually a wasp could use her stinger to sort of penetrate a female bug that has a more receptive vagoo.. but.. IN GENERAL bugs don't fuck anyway. well some of them do. hmm.. fuck i dunno dude.
>>81449701
maybe make it more legible AS you go down, so that by the time you get to that part of the dialogue box, you've now seen it coalesce

>>81444752
trippin' means going beserk in an angry sense
youre looking for flippin' out which is just plain losing your shit
maybe its different where your from though?

>>81450135
i'm not exactly street but i'm pretty sure trippin is a state of being. nobody trips, they simply 'be trippin'

>>81450135
that's right, but it's also broader than that. it just refers to being out of your normal mind, as if on a drug trip.

2 guys driving to the airport
>i have a feeling the door didn't lock, let's turn around
>bruh you trippin, you had me check it twice

>>81450489
>>81450629
im talking in this context

>>81440096
"SMASH" is the simplest and most out-of-place sound effect in comic history, yet it can be the most rewarding if used in the right place.

This was the right place.

>>81449760
>>81449634
>>81449326
>81449326
>>81447746
stop

>>81451610
If you didn't want this, you wouldn't have drawn them so fuckable.

>>81451649
good point, well made

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Posted here a few months ago and now I need more critique.
Sorta changed the direction I was going, and decided to make the images suitable for a blog format. (Tumblr)
1/3

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>>81451727
2/3

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>>81451776

>>81451850
Where you get that font?
And your artstyle is unique as fuck
though the story screams DBZ almost

>>81453143
i swear we got three different versions of the tsufuru-jin story

>>81453143
The font is called Anime Ace BB, and thanks!
And yes, the story is quite DBZ-ish, because it sort of borrows from shonen stuff like JJBA and DBZ. But as far as the story goes, there are no mystic wish giving balls or psychic manifestations. I'm sorta trying to wing it into it's own thing.

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>>81428097
kek

Still, cudos for actually trying even though you can't draw for shit

Practice. Git gud.

>>81405793
Can I post this shit on Tapastic or should this be a 4ch exclusive?

>>81454147
post it on a good site instead.
fuck even a tumblr would be better than tapastic. especially if you had that thing wher eyou click on the image and it goes through each panel zoomed in

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Bumping with MC

>>81454569
I think we agreed a comic where all women go extinct wouldn't fare well on tumblr, but I like playing with women I mean fire.

>>81454775
surely -a- tumblr isnt the same as tumblr
i dunno get a normal website.

I need some advice. Im two issues deep into my first comic and needless to say I've put a lot of time, effort, and money into it. As a writer I have been working with an awesome art team. I recently took a break from the book while I accumulated more funds and ideas.

Six months later I come back ready to start up. Start reviewing the past two issues. I'm not as confident about my writing in those and am afraid it would create a sour start when I release it online in webcomic format. It's a little story is a little cluttered and the dialogue is a bit crass.

At this point Ive poured so much of myself into it that it's too late to just start a new series with them. But I'm having trouble fixing everything if I decide to move forward.

>>81455406
nobody expects the beginning to be perfect. the point is, is it good? is it fun?

>>81455406
I'd say it's fun. The dialogue is fairly humorous. I wouldn't call any of it bad. The ideas and concepts are interesting and the characters are distinct. It's Just definitely rough and overall kinda fails in its execution. I need to make this next stretch more cohesive and less verbose.

>>81455720
Meant for
>>81455458

>>81455720
dont worry then. just start working on the rest

>>81456110
I sincerely appreciate your help. It's given my a little confidence back.
Cheers, mate

>>81455406
Just remember, you are almost certainly not the worst webcomic on the web, shit, you're probably not the worst webcomic in this thread.

Is beginning a story with a short info dump really that bad? So many successful manga and comics begin with brief info dumps, I really don't get the hate, especially when it's difficult to introduce certain concepts that are very obvious and familiar to the characters but not so to the reader.

>>81459744
absolutely not. key word is brief.
and rather than a dump, it should feel like it's being just.. slipped into your pocket like a tip

>>81459744
the best way is to just throw the reader into the story, they'll inference on their own based on the reactions and dialog of the characters, if not show, dont tell, try to naturally fit in scenes or names

if neither is doable, then keep your info dump as short as possible,decide what you really need the readers to know from the get-go and trust they're not stupid, because it'll show and it leaves a bad taste on their mouths

>tl;dr
show it instead, dont patronize and if its a must keep it short and simple

>>81460137
or wait a bit and set up a reason for a character to explain things to another

>>81460010
>>81460137
>>81460747

I wish I could have introduced the necessary information more 'naturally' but I have written and drawn too much material now, so kinda stuck with an info dump, so I guess I'll just have to cut/shorten certain bits and get to the point.

>>81461482
as long as it's fun, and as long as you have more pages already finished so nobody ever has to read the first page and go 'this is it? i'm not sticking around for this'

>>81461482
well lets see what youre thinking of
tell us a bit about the world

Is there a list of co approved webcomics? I found Stand Still Stay Silent when it was 400 comics deep and that seems like a goddamn travesty.

I can only wonder what other 5 star gems are lying out there waiting for me to read.

>>81462875
This isn't the thread for that.

>>81463283
Quit specializing things for no reason. Just answer him if you feel like it, and don't if you don't.

I don't either. But shut up.

>>81465070
you shutup fag

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the Eviling Bros Circus employs all kinds of clowns and strongmen in banana hammocks, but the gillman doesn't get to do much. This lake takeover is his time to shine.

This was going to be twice as long but fuckit, that's a good enough punchline. Split it in half. Gotta get that april fools comic off the front page

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>>81462875
>>81463283
>>81465070
>>81465254
putting an end to this
here's a probably outdated chart /co made i saved a while back

redirecting this to:
what comics inspire yours? what things have you taken away from them?

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how's this?

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First comic now that the story arc is done. It's got hot fresh leaks.

ennuigo.smackjeeves.com

>>81468439
hahaha, nutty.
i misread the filename as 'crotch sweat' at first, which would be somehow even better

>>81468470
stinkle mctinkles.. that's pretty good, but to me he'll always be buttchinned baldhitler
also i've never heard of a peeing flasher but it seems like there should be those a lot.

also is iron fist getting a show? i thought it was a movie

>>81468594
Nah it's a show. It being a movie was a rumor. Pretty sure we'll be seeing it spring of next year.

>>81468613
bout time we got power rangers for adults eh? i miss martial arts shit being a big thing

>>81467866
Oh jeez.

I just got this bretty gud idea for cyberpunk comics, but scifi column is already full. Guess I have to rework it to to include pornographic elements to fit under NSFW.

Dunno if asexual like me can pull it off, vaginas and penises are kinda gross to be honset, but I'll try. But hey, perhaps I can make it bad girl comic to avoid having to draw any explicid fucking and sill be NSFW.

>>81468574
>It feels like you are spoon feeding and giving away everything to your readers.
>I don't care about this cat or kid at all yet. Help me care about who they are.
Is my friend right about my comic, or does he just want to be pedantic?

I'm starting to doubt the direction of this comic.

>>81468827
i don't even know where to begin telling you what's wrong with this post

>>81468845
first criticism is bollocks. this isn't a 'let readers figure stuff out' comic. it's a comic about a boy and his foul catghost
second one is pretty spot on, but i get the impression that's intentional. we're not supposed to like them, right? the dude is generic in the extreme, a bit dour. the kind of guy who MIGHT just be pulled out of his shell by a magical jolly happy creature, except this one turns out to be a cunt so it's only annoying him.
over time, I see them developing a kind of a dilbert-dogbert relationship, at best.
but what are you TRYING to do with this comic?

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>>81468953
I am relieved to hear the first part. Was worrying I might've made some punchlines too obvious.

>but what are you TRYING to do with this comic?
There's no major story. The cat/boy are just there to play roles in jokes. Pretty soon it's just going to be random things the cat/boy doing, like video games, commentary on world events, or pic related.

>>81468827
wow this guy is chuuni as fuck

>>81467866
Why isn't excellent comic Dresden Codak on the list?

>>81469056
if anything the punchlines have been a little subtle / not really uproariously funny

yeah if it's just slice of life, then there's nothing to spoonfeed and no reason we have to care about them. Just work on your comedy. So far it's not really sidesplitting. it IS however, relatable/believable. so there's that. this bug thing is a great example, i've had conversations just like that

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>TFW can draw character bodies and backgrounds very fast, but extremely picky with faces and spend hours getting expressions right

>>81468827
i-is this a joke?

>>81469056
i would like to see the kid fleshed out more

>>81419927
Hey, I've been meaning to ask, do you have a way to contact you? (That isn't your private e-mail address since I'm sure you don't want that on 4chan)

>>81440595
When rumors aren't addressed, they are believed.

It's extremely unfortunate.

>>81436940
It depends on how well written it is, if it's not endearing in any way, chances are, the character is not going to be liked.

How far are you willing to push the bar?

I made a really asshole MC, and it's not even reaching he's bottom yet.
Some readers gave him a free pass for being a high school bully, and while trying to turn a new leaf, he is still acts like that in front of the people who attended high school with him.

I just hope the next development shows how big of an ass the guy is and people to call him out on that.

>>81469513
No, I am dead serious.

>>81470503
I've been meaning to set up some way for people to contact me, like a tumblr or something, but I'm pretty asocial so I don't have a lot of experience with social media.
I've set up a quick email address for now:
595158825 (at) mail.com

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Okay, here's the idea.

Near future. Netherlands ir some other nice suffers horrible catastrophe and people have to leave. Family of refugees loses The European Refugee Lottery and has to live in Czechoslovakia, which means living in cockroach infested stinky refugee camp and working for trinkets in a factory than makes bionic penis replacements for furries and other sick fucks for trinket wage (even their 15 years old daughter). However they are good friends with a muslim family that won the lottery and now lives in Germany where refugees get much money more just from geting refugee benefits. Now every chapter, the muslims send some money to them, so that they can get illegaly into Germany, but they always fail in amusing comedic way, are beaten by the police, humilated on social media and taken back to Czechoslovakia (because throwing them to sea would be inhumane and teaching new group of cheap workers how to make bionic penis replacement would be expensive). In the final chapter, they give up all hope, commit suicide and are unceremoniously turned into medium for growing penis replacements.

Good idea or too depresing?

>>81472322
It's retarded.

Refugees from The Netherlands or other civilised countries would be welcomed in most of Europe because they'd be a boon and not a bother. They wouldn't go to some eastern-european shithole.

Also a stupid topic in the first place if you want to go for humour.

>>81472437
>Refugees from The Netherlands or other civilised countries would be welcomed in most of Europe because they'd be a boon and not a bother.

Them ending up in a shithole is the direct result of laws EU is trying to push for right now to force Poland and its ilk to take in some of the rapefugees form the middle east.

>Czechoslovakia

>>81472322
a dark humor right?
there are a lot of plot holes/things that need to be worked out
why Czech?
there was no other job?
in a natural disaster, wouldnt neighbor countries be supportive and allow entry?
are teaching newcomer really that expensive that it doesnt pay out in the long run?
and since the themes are repeated every chapter itll be tricky not having it get redundent

Don't know if this is the right place to ask, but as a fetish how 'weird' is Selfcest? Say, on a scale from Vanilla - Would Shock A Conservative Grandmother - Freaky - Absolutely Disgusting (and all points in between)?

Only I came up with a whole plot for an erotic story featuring selfcest-a-go-go. I could vey well sit down and sketch it out for a comic strip, but I haven't got round to it yet. Would it have any appeal outside of a very niche audience?

>>81475512
>Vanilla - Would Shock A Conservative Grandmother
The idea of having sex with your own clone or whatever is pretty mainstream. Like, Heinlein wrote All You Zombies all the way back in 1958, and Asimov wrote a song about it. I doubt you'll find many people with an outright fetish for it, but I doubt the selfcest will scare off anyone who wouldn't already have dropped because it's cartoon porn.

>>81475877
>Asimov wrote a song about i
About fucking his clone, I mean, not about All You Zombies.

>>81475512
vanilla
have you seen the onceler fandom?
anyway as long as theyre hot

>>81475960
>>81475877
Fair enough! Although my idea involves short-distance time travel (like a few days instead of years or decades) rather than clones, so the main trick is to get it to work without creating any major paradoxes.
But that's kind of beside the point when the main focus is two identical, improbably attractive people having sex.