>I was only pretending to be retarded! Harley fans are the worst.

>>78761849
Ok.....so at this point she is the opposite of what made her famous?

>>78761849
>He then proceeded to abuse me mentally, emotionally, and physically every chance he got

Genius plan there.

Harley's a female character so it was only a matter of time before they removed all her character flaws and replaced it with generic and inoffensive "quirkiness"

>>78761849
DESU

>>78762024
I just don't care anymore. If DC wants to blow their integrity then that's on them. Fuckers think Pakistanian is a bloody language. Wankers every step they take.

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>>78761958
This. It doesn't make sense. If he wanted her to be a ditz then why did he constantly beat her up and demean her?

Is DC so incapable of just admitting Harley was in an abusive relationship but refused to leave because she was sure Joker would get "better" ?

Harley Quinn's fanbase is to Harley Quinn what Harley Quinn is to The Joker.

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>>78762213
>He loves me, really!

>>78762213
>in an abusive relationship but refused to leave
That's the entire subtext of Jessica Jones and Killgrave as well.

In both cases, it's not "her fault." It's just the big evil man who was so charming and irresistible that she'd dance to whatever tune he was singing.

Think about what this says about a woman's ability to make choices for herself. She has complete and total agency until a powerful man gives her vajayjay tingles and then she's effectively mind controlled.

>>78761849
>>78761957
>>78761958
>>>/pol/

Does /co/ have a recommended episodes list for the 90's batman shows zeroed in on Harley?
Or are there so few Harley episodes that you might as well just watch all of them?

>>78762580
I can't tell if you're fuckin' with me or not.

>>78762580
Or if she's had a drink
She can't give consent when she's drunk because she's no better than a child
Equally drunk men should man up and take responsibility for both of them

>>78761849
Why is Harley supposed to be a good role model for girls now? She's a fucking psycho, but the point is that she's crazy in a much more pathetic way than Batman's other foes.

>>78762621
the latter

>>78762766
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iEhcrTGsPA
Shit taste there, man

>>78762737
Because a "good role model" for girls only has to "do whatever she wants." Having morals or self restraint of any of the other "great power = great responsibility" hogwash is just the patriarchy trying to control women.

>>78762737
>She's a fucking psycho
she can't be a psycho, she's a girl

>>78762580
You lost me, because behaviour like this is common around the board. Its the same tune as "i can quit when i want"
Its all based on a fear of life after and the inability to confront it.

>>78762826
What? My post wasn't negative. There really aren't that many Harley episodes. Calm down.

People who are mad about Harley fans are the worst.

>>78762923
I meant that she was better in the earlier episodes of BTAS.

TNBA made her too whiny.

>>78762885
Cops killed themselves with their own guns and kids used warez, that's why their consoles blew up.

>>78762596

What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>78761849
When will DC just stop ruing Harley?

>>78762545
Aaaay

Harley and Joker made sense in the context of her original creation. She was a bit of a ditz, and the Joker wasn't this hyper-abusive, disfigured, overtly sadistic freak. The Joker was a lunatic to be sure, and he didn't treat Harley well, but damn it, he at least did things to keep her around. Even if it was just being a manipulator, he played along with Harley unless it actually got in the way of more important things.

This doesn't happen anymore, and it's why they've sort of distanced Harley from the Joker as much as possible now. The Joker became edge and chaos incarnate with the success of TDK, and while you can write up an entirely lunatic edgelord Harley to match, even that doesn't really work as well as losing the original semi-innocence that made Harley a unique character.

Fuck the western world

You know, that page actually really does correctly explain why Harley is perfect. She's comics' most versatile character.

>>78762737
Because they hit a goldmine with her popularity and thanks to video games is probably the first woman in DC normal people think of. Can't have your top chick be presented as a bad guy. "Presented" being the key word.

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>>78762691

>Equally drunk men should man up and take responsibility for both of them

Well it's true. Don't teach women to drink responsibly, teach men not to rape.

>>78763012
>responding to it

>>78762213
>If he wanted her to be a ditz then why did he constantly beat her up and demean her?
Some people get off on that?

>>78762194
>>78762545
Post more pictures of Joker humiliating Harley. It's priceless.

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>>78762885

>she can't be a psycho, she's a girl

What's the difference?

>>78763064
god any rational human should be angry by this poster.
>women are children who can't make decisions

>>78763064
>bitch does not even wait a day to accuse him of rape
Jesus Christ, someone should have introduced Jake to the NEET life and saved him.

>>78763064
Dont we teach everyone to drink responsibly. The better plan is to have a plan if youre gonna be drinking. Like a friend to come looking for you if you dont check in at a certain plan.

I don't even read comics anymore from the sheer retarded decisions made with every character.

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>>78763158

Telling someone to take safety precautions to prevent being raped/assaulted is victim blaming.

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>>78762691
I know this is sort of left field but people do the same shit when it comes to women. It's always someone else's fault.

She fucks someone, it's the man's fault. Two people get drunk and the women has consensual sex, she didn't know better because alcohol.

She has sex with someone outside of her race. It's propaganda and the partner's fault.

It's standard behaviour of being infantilsed and women feed on that shit, they literally like having someone else in charge because it alleviates them of all decision making.

I know it's sexist but it's the truth. I've been with a lot of women both in and without romantic relationships. Women are terrible decision makers about roughly anything. Feminist love that shit too, they love being treated like children who need to be coddled.

It's so frustrating because you want women to be strong and independent and of course there are other women who recognise this trend but the amount of women who love just being what they are now severely outweigh them. Both in size and in numbers.

>>78763064
>men can't be raped

kill yourself

>>78763179
More like taking safety precautions to not be sacrificed to the Justice System to preserve a girl's facade of purity.

>>78763179
fuck you and your bait

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>>78763225

Only men that are criminals get raped, anon, and that's part of the unofficial punishment for going to jail.

>>78763179
If youre telling them to have a plan beforehand then its not victim shaming. Its safety smarts

Why the fuck is Harely even allowed to be a character? She serves no purpose, she was never a good character and she has the streongest plotarmor in comics.

I don't mind the ditz part being an act. Harley has to have some level of competence to be noteworthy in Gotham, after all, and she WAS a psychiatrist. Neither of those things would really make sense if she was a complete buffoon. And it's a pretty common trope for the stupid comic relief to secretly be smart.

Inb4 she slept her way to her degree, but that still implies a degree of social savvy and manipulation that a full retard wouldn't have

>>78761849
Who has that comic part of where she beats up Ivy and gets together with Joker again?

>>78763257
epic.

*up vote*

>>78761849

yes, ALL WOMEN are strong, smart, and in the right

all problems are men's doing

>>78763269

>I don't mind the ditz part being an act. Harley has to have some level of competence to be noteworthy in Gotham, after all, and she WAS a psychiatrist. Neither of those things would really make sense if she was a complete buffoon. And it's a pretty common trope for the stupid comic relief to secretly be smart.

Didn't the comics change it so that she slept her way through college, rather than just being intelligent but vulnerable/easily manipulated?

>>78762416
>BUT I CAN CHANGE HER!

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>>78762737
because she's a strong independent woman now

>>78763269
i always figured the joker literally warped her mind. Whether during or after his therapy I dunno. He's pretty good with chemistry, y'know?
I mean harley prime will always be DCAU, and she had episodes where she got outta arkham on parole and was still a complete airhead, if not moreso than usual. Yet we also saw she was totally okay beforehand, not even suspicious that she had that position
and when she's an old woman she's a hilarious old crank

it's still pretty bad even for her that she tortured the fuck out of tim, but that only endorses the idea of it being chemical mindfuckery on her part

>>78763350
When did Lobo get his old look back?

>>78763350
dammit i could actually be into this little character wrinkle if it wasn't for the fact that Lobo is fucking stronger than superman and a total oddball character not meant to be taken seriously or even THOUGHT OF in the same brainbreath as woman-not-taking-shit-anymore

>>78762737
I don't know Mad Hatter is a pedo and Clayface is a butthurt actor
There are some really pathetic Batman villains anon

>>78763399

>and Clayface is a butthurt actor

A butthurt actor that got turned into a hideous mountain of sapient mud. I think he's at least somewhat justified in being a bit unhinged.

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>>78763267
>Batman character
>female

That's it. That's literally it.

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>>78762953
Interesting how they all of a sudden popped up when Harley started being considered "feminist" or whatever
Now everyone who likes her is either a dumb tumblr user or a whiteknight waifufag

>>78763374
I read something recently about the new Lobo and old Lobo getting into a fight because one was an imposter

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>>78762885
>Harley
>not a psycho
She's a sociopathic stalker at best.

>>78763374
>>78763465
injustice plebs

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>>78763022
But they do love each other
Even when Joker is at his edgiest and beating her up he doesn't kill her so there's some love there

>>78763444
I get hating Poison Ivy because >supernatural >batman but does /co/ hate Catowman?

Harley is just a better version of Deadpool

>>78763318
... get the fuck out

>>78761849
Can someone give me a quick update on Harley?

She's a strong independent woman now who hates the Joker? Is she a hero?

>>78763539
>Is she a hero?
Depends what book you read.

>>78763064
before anyone gets their rage boner going; this single poster was put up by one student. Was nearly immediately taken down because everyone knew it was retarded. This wasn't part of a campaign or anything.

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>>78763267
She is held back by the Joker as we see in BTAS
on her own she is a force of nature

>>78763477
>implying there's a difference between a sociopath and a psychopath

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>>78763508

Wait, why do people hate Poison Ivy? She's the only man-hating female character in comics that I've ever actually found bearable.

>>78763537

Actually, I think it might have been like that originally.

>>78763561

I'm glad, but unfortunately it's a sentiment that seems to be perpetuated anyway. I guess it takes actually being spelled out in words for people to realize how retarded that is.

>>78763217
make a blog, i am so sick of having to read posts like this when i just want to talk about comics and cartoons. this type of shitposting wasn't even prevalent until ~2013 but now i can't browse this board without having to scroll past people complaining about women.

if this is bait it worked because i am really tired of having my browsing experience ruined by posts that are stretching to be relevant.

also i liked it better when harley was in an abusive relationship but genuinely believed there was a kernel of love in him for her that would eventually emerge. the idea that she just went with it and in a way outsmarted the joker defeats her character - the whole point was that she was somebody who was equipped to see all the signs and still blew past them for 'love.'

>>78763586
To be fair, she hates everyone, not just man

>>78763449
It's really telling that Harley was everything that SJWs probably hated most in what a woman could be. Willingly abused, obsessed with her man, stupid and violent. Yet they take her at face value and adopt her as some kind of icon.

>>78763586
>>78763318


you motherfuckers
>>78763269
>Inb4 she slept her way to her degree, but that still implies a degree of social savvy and manipulation that a full retard wouldn't have

>>78763639

True, though it does seem to vary a bit. She's cared about children before.

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>>78763535
Its funny how people compare her to Deadpool when her personality and craziness is nothing like wade's

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>>78763508
No, you misunderstand. It's not a matter of hate because of circumstance, it's a matter of her popularity excuse.

Batman is stupid popular and so are all associated properties. The only reason Harley is an anti-hero now is no fault of any in universe excuse but rather it's merely because people know who she is and they can't write her being an outright bad guy so they changed her alignment.

That's all there is to Quinn, she has no substance or traceable direction. She just woke up one day and decided that she's going to help the local Carnie folk or team up with other iconic super heroines. It's dastardly insulting.

>>78763657
Some of these folks don't seem to know the difference between a bubbly personality and retardation

>>78761849
>Hey what if a go to 4chan for a while
>I was only pretending to be retarded

Why you do this? WHY?

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>>78763539
more like anti hero
She's committed to doing her own thing which is being a nuisance but overall she's now just living her life and killing criminals indiscriminately while doing business and helping friends

>>78763709
This is what happens when a Character that was created just to be a sex doll gets famous, At least Ivy had a personality, i am believe that Harley will get out of this hole, we survived Waypool, we can survive this shit

>>78763350
Isn't Lobo REALLY FUCKING STRONG? Why hasn't her head exploded?

>>78763774
its injustice, superpill shit

>>78763774
INJUSTICE. SHE TOOK THE SUPER PILLS

>>78763576
There is. Sociopaths are charming and volatile but lack the intelligence often attributed to psychopaths.

>>78763397
>>78763774
It's from Injustice, where every character who wasn't Superman Strong got super-pills to make them strong enough to duke it out hand to hand with beasts like Doomsday and Lobo, because the whole comic was written to make a fighting game make sense.

There.

That's the only reason she didn't explode into chunky salsa. Because she took super pills in an alternate universe where Superman went dictator crazy.

>>78763796
>>78763801
>>78763820
lol. carry on.

>>78763267
She was the qt of Batman the Animated Series.

It's really funny reading this stuff and then playing the Arkham series, notably Knight, and she's still being her familiar BTAS self

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>>78763709
Well all of those developments were born out of her getting a bit of off time with the suicide squad
So now she can be on the squad
help deathstroke
do her team up stuff
run gang of harley's etc

Its random but it flows from what was going on in Suicide Squad

>>78763762
That is a shame

>>78762580
dude what

it's absolutely not jessica's fault, she was literally mind-controlled into a broken PTSD state

>>78763535
are you stupid?

>>78763492
I think Joker gets off to having broken her which is the big reason he keeps her around. Any affection he shows is probably calculated to keep her under his boot. If he ever broke Batman, though, Harley would be shoved into a trash compactor to make space for his new Batbitch.

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>>78763574
Is that supposed to be funny?

>>78763762
>killing criminals indiscriminately while doing business and helping friends
Where the fuck is Batman?

>>78763937
>Implying a little mind control means she didn't do it voluntarily

>>78762213
>Is DC so incapable of just admitting Harley was in an abusive relationship but refused to leave because she was sure Joker would get "better" ?
That would be great, actually, because it happens ALL THE TIME

>>78763898
But characters can't have development! They must maintain the status quo!

>>78762580
>Think about what this says about a woman's ability to make choices for herself. She has complete and total agency until a powerful man gives her vajayjay tingles and then she's effectively mind controlled.
Reminds me to Hana Yori Dango and countless shoujo mangas

>>78763586
>you will never fuck a tree

>>78763374
Injustice decided that Best Lobo is only Lobo.

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>>78763976
This is the guy who doesn't even lock up Catwoman
What do you think happened?

>>78763898
Your attempts at justification are laughable.

>>78762737
because shes popular

>>78763937
bullshit
She was made to feel like its what she wanted to do
She still had agency but her morals were compromised

>people will always pretend that Injustice universe is the main universe

Remember when Harley was just a dumb blonde who went to college and fucked her way to a doctorate without really knowing much of anything?

I remember those days.

>>78763974
>Is that supposed to be funny?
I thought you were supposed to imagine yourself plowing her snow white clown pussy in that top panel pose. That's what I did. That's why she got her own book, right?

>>78763762
so, a shitty version of the Punisher?

>>78764033
I recognize your sentence structure from all the other Harley threads you've been shitposting in. Tell, did you forget to take your meds again?

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Its like people who hate Harley hate fun
Its pretty wild
They have to go to such deep lengths to emphasize why they don't like her and why she shouldn't be popular

>>78763762
>tumblrnose
Every goddamn time.

>>78764072
>People pretend that any current universe is more deserving of being called the main universe than Injustice
>2015+1

>>78764121
>snow white clown pussy
isn't that all just makeup?

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>>78764159
Autismo 9000

>>78764194
I agree, but it still isn't main.
Yet.

>>78764159
Sounds like you been doing the shitposting anon

>>78764033
SLUT

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>>78763092
DOHOHOHOHO

>>78764033
Fuck, Injustice really is the only good DC capeshit left.

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>>78764110
She still is. After all she encompases everything the tumblrinas believe in.

>>78761957
Was this known in MAD LOVE?

>>78763762
That last panel is where Harley Quinn jumps the fourth wall to look very much like famous trap Harley 'Bailey Jay' Quinn.

>>78764176
this is lame. girls aren't funny

>>78762953
No, Harley fans are worse. It's like every Harley fan here are essentially Scrapper clones.

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>>78764286
abused woman who becomes badass and cool once she's away from her man
also becomes bisexual and loves animals because those are in nowadays

Harley was an interesting lackey. She was literally made to compliment the Joker, and the way he sort of played along with her insane delusions of theirs being a romantic relationship was interesting. Any outsider could see he was just using her as a completely loyal yet expendable peon he didn't give a shit about, but she was so wrapped up in her delusion that she ignored all the obvious signs and convinced herself he loved her in spite of his abuse.

This attempt to remove her from Joker and make her competent ruins the interesting parts of her character. She worked as a sort of tragic battered spouse to a super villain, where she could disturbingly maintain some innocence but still do heinous things for him. Now when she does heinous things while acting childish, she just seems like a lolsorandomviolence xD character.

I dunno, I guess it's not a huge loss. Harley was never the most important character. But I feel like what was good about her character wasn't that she was a zany, random, competent female villain. What was good about her character is that she would probably never being doing this shit if it weren't for the Joker. She wasn't innately evil or criminally insane. Her form of insanity was just a total fixation on the idea love, and the Joker is the one who recognized that and exploited it to make her commit evil acts.

New Harley just feels like someone read her character description as "the crazy female clown villain" and based everything entirely off of that, missing the nuance that made her character at least a little interesting.

>>78764033
art redone. colorist didnt get the memo.

>>78764314
Only so erect, etc.

>>78764286
>implying a woman could beat up a man

>>78764284
>What is Grayson
>What is JL
>What is action comics
>What is Midnighter
>What is Omega man

>>78764066

bullbullshitshit

it's explicitly spelled out that people can't resist Kilgrave's commands, complete with pseudoscientific explanation as to why. Their angst over being mind controlled stems not only from the fact he makes them do whatever he wants but also that while they're under his control they WANT to do whatever he tells them to do and once they're free they have to live with the horror of their experience and the self-doubt that comes along with your mind overruling the one small part of itself screaming "no I don't want this"

He makes you do something and you do it; he doesn't compromise your morals and then let you choose to do it

>>78764314
sauce

>>78764343
Well, she's been diddling Ivy since Timm, but yeah, I see what you're saying.

>>78762580
>the entire subtext of Jessica Jones and Killgrave
is rape...
The showrunner said it herself.

>>78764286
>Batman is worried about his boyfriend getting beaten up

>>78764314
fuck you, that was NOT intentional

>>78764365
>Grayson
>Midnighter

>>>/lgbt/

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>>78764343
also funny and outgoing because abuse never makes women into sheltered shut ins or anything

>>78764343

>becomes bisexual

she's always been Ivysexual

>>78763762
4th panel is a typical porn comic face for "cock too big, can't take it all down".

>>78764419
You know Dick is straight like always and Mindy may as well be the only time a gay character has been well written in ages

>>78764421
>Shitting Injustice Harley

O V E R T H E L I N E

Delete System32

>>78764458
>Dick is straight

Speak for his fans.

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>>78764349
lolsorandomxd
was the entirety of her character from conception
Its like people really try so hard to find this depth to her character to contrast it from how she's portrayed now when it was never there

>>78764349

Yeah, even when she's off the Mr. J train in Harley and Ivy she's still a morally compromised goofy klutz who latches on to Ivy the same way she latched on to Joker

>>78764465
Injustice Harley only perpetuated the feminism. I absolutely love the comic, but Harley's "I'm strong and independent" now angle never sat well with me. Felt like it was laid on pretty thick, especially since she just ends up jumping into the alternate Joker's arms.

So Harley is an expert martial artist now?

>>78764497
>quoting the worst Mad Max movie
Harley a pleb

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>>78763449
>>78763492
>>78763574
>>78763762
>>78763898
>>78764033
>>78764176
>>78764343
>>78764421
>>78764497

>>78764497
That's not the argument at all.
People liked when she had no depth and was just Joker's goofy sidekick.
Now they're trying to add depth and failing miserably, and her character is ruined.

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>>78764365
>implying any of those are as good as injustice
DC really is in the dumps these days if these are considered the quality books

>>78764497
>lolsorandomxd
>was the entirety of her character from conception
No, it wasn't. Unless all you know of her is new 52.

>>78764524
And in the end she realize Alt Joker was the same as her own Joker and end up leaving him, its like you didn't play the game

>>78764027
Anon, its pretty easy to fuck a tree, they dont even try to get away

>>78764540
Everyone in comics is. Dr Strange. Superman. Who else doesn't really need them? Hulk. He probably knows martial arts. Luthor. Everyone.

>>78764559
What are you talking about? Even back in BTAS Harley had depth, or do you don't remember the "Harley's Holiday" episode of BTAS?

>>78764497
It was part of her character, but not the whole thing, was my point.

Removing her relationship with the Joker unfortunately also removed almost everything besides that aspect because, yeah, she was never super deep.

My point wasn't that we lost a super cool or interesting character, it was that a barely-nuanced character became completely flat.

>>78764576
She knew he was exactly the same. She just didn't give a shit until he tried to kill her again.
Then she snapped back to tumblrquinn. And you can bet she'd just get over it the second she started craving jokercock again.

>>78764603
I found it kinda silly that in one comic it stated that superman mastered every form of martial arts but doesn't use it because he can't properly hold back when using it.

>>78764637
>Tumblrquinn?

Anon you're crazy. Anyway. I don't think she will fall again, I mean. That was perfectly clear at then end of the game

>>78764339
Shut up, Scrapper.

>>78764490
NOT CANON!

>>78764603
Hulk's asian
OF COURSE he knows martial arts
And one day, Hulk will be a little old asian man. The world is well and truly fucked

>>78764567
Yeah this is bait

>>78764682
You're delusional. Tumblrquinn is exactly what she is these days, and Injustice isn't the exception to that.

>>78764722
Totally Awesome Hulk is off the chain though desu brah

>>78762545
Say what you will about faceless joker but that part was legitimately terrifying.

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>>78764746
Yeah..Yeah. Injustice Harley is not so different than BTAS Harley

>>78764705
You're pathetic

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>>78763991
>a little mind control
>>78764066
>She still had agency but her morals were compromised

Do you even know what you're talking about?

>>78763803
No. fuck off with this made-up bullshit you fucking idiot.
The correct term is antisocial personality disorder anyway, the other two are just two outdated terms for it.

>>78763937
>Literally mind controlled
Within the context of the narrative, yes. I'm talking about the subtext. What do these powers and weaknesses say about the archetypes that these characters embody?

It says that a woman's agency stops at a man's charm.

>>78764403
>subtext is rape
Rape that was enabled because her sense of self literally dissolved at the suggestion of a well dressed man with a foreign accent.

>>78763399
>Mad Hatter
>pedo
Wasn't the girl he obsessed with a receptionist at his office in the 90's cartoon?

>>78765085
Also, fucking Scarecrow is a better "rape culture" villain than Killgrave. I'm certain Dr. Crane is Cosby's pharmacist.

How does "he talked me in to it" not rely on women having the cognitive fortitude of a sheltered 6 year old?

>>78764209
Nope. Chemical bath. Except for her hair she's white from head to toe.

>>78765085
>>78764893

Found the SJWeenies

Maybe Jones should learn to accept some accountability instead of blaming her problems on everyone else

>NOTHING IS MY FAULT AT ALL EVER

>>78765156
You can be a pedo and still like other people I'd imagine.

>>78763350
>>78765168
Then why is her body tanned?

>>78765257
Injustice. Multiverse

>>78765156
Well there's your problem you are basing what you know on the cartoon
Mad Hatter was created by Finger and was always a pedo because "alice" is not a woman but a young girl

But I thought you weren't supposed to stick your dick in crazy!

>>78763574
Maybe it's just me, but that doesn't seem to fit at all.
It doesn't come off as quirky, clever or even absurd.
Just shoehorned lines from the old Harley combined with action that seems entirely wrong for her.

Umm, but there is a slight difference seeing as Kilgraves entire M.O. was using his powers to make people do his bidding. Jess wasn't herself, the entire span of the Alias series was her coming to realize she could forgive herself for what happened/occurred due to this fact... In Harley's case she was simply "playing along".

>>78762580
That's all women dude
They won't admit it though

I never understood it til I realized I basically did the same thing every time I let my Dad back into my life.

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>>78761849
NOW i really can't regret avoiding NuHarley like plague

Although i guess i should catch up on Injustice, it's been ages, can't even remember what i've read so far

This has been canon the whole time. Harley's just as nutty as the Joker of course she faked mad love.

>>78765302
So does the Hatter behave like a pedo in any iteration of the last 30 years?
(That means does he try to seduce or chase little girls?)

>>78765085
>It says that a woman's agency stops at a man's charm.
Or it just says that Jessica was mind controlled by a psychopath. Not everything is a deep statement about society or whatever the fuck. Why can't stories just be stories to you people?

>>78765664
Injustice Harley is the worst of all.

>>78765866
More like the best in recent years.

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>>78765866

>>78765936
>best in recent years.
Is that really what you consider to be high praise?

>>78763762
Is this Baley?
>>78764314
Glad to know I'm not the only one.

>>78764403
She couldn't say no or stop it.
It's not rape if she's gagged and chained to the radiator, you know

>>78766135
She told me she knew Morse code
I never said I knew it, but it made her feel better

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Does anyone else long for the opportunity to write a Harley solo book for the express purpose of getting her back on track by nuking everything "trendy" about her so that all her annoying fans go away? If nothing else just for the ensuing anal ravaging that would come from it?

>>78762868
When has any girls said they look at Harley Quinn as a role model really? I keep hearing this but I've never seen it actually so I'm just curious to see some examples here.

>>78766270
I am only hoping to become a comic writer just to make Harley/Ivy canon, full blown lesbianism. I know you won't like it, but eh

>>78765284
Which is still the best version of Harley around currently.

>>78763350
I'm afraid to ask, but what exactly is Harley Quinn going to do against Lobo?

>>78766270
DC would never allow you to ruin their cash cow like this.

I would love it though, the butthurt would be glorious.

>>78766567
Nice company war, bro.

>>78766531
That was in Injustice, where all the normie heroes and villains took super pills that made them super strong and near indestructible. (To explain in the game why fights like Superman vs Green Arrow could even possibly last more than .2 seconds)

>>78763535
That explains all the butthurt in this thread.

>>78766634
What the fuck are you even talking about, faggot? Just spit it out, man you're not even making any sense right now with this comment. Did you respond to the wrong post or some shit or are you just trolling?

>>78766567
What if it was Morrison who wanted to do it? Would DC risk pissing off their Omni-lord?

>>78766678
>TRIGGERED.jpg

>>78762545
I dunno. He says that but the fact that he didn't actually take her face really said something.

>>78766701
Oh just a troll then using buzzwords. Cool, you do it then, faggot.

>>78766684
Why would Morrison even want to write Harley?. There's more chance of Lobdell writing Harley than Morrison

>>78766327
Already happened.

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>>78766727
>stars an anti-DC thread
>accuses others of trolling

>>78766747
Not in comic.

>>78766731
>Why would Morrison even want to write Harley?
Who can fathom the mind of Grant Morrison?

>>78766747
Full blown lesbianism anon. Not teasing and no "wink-wink nudge nudge"

>>78766759
Probably because Timm and Dini never intended that, honestly. Ivy was always where Harley just ended up when Joker through her out to them and every other who understood her.

>>78766757
Motherfucker, I didn't even start this thread. What the fuck are you talking about?

Harley Quinn may not be my cup of tea but I still love DC through and through.

>>78766770
I would accept an Harley Quinn Earth One book by Morrison, if and only IF Morrison writer the primise of that book in the same vein of Wonder Woman Earth One

>>78766845
>I still love DC
That's what all DC haters say...

>>78766869
Stop it. Don't turn this thread into a consolo war.If you want that go to /v/, they perfectly accept those kind of threads

>>78766923
>Don't turn this thread into a consolo war
Like OP did?

>>78766869
I really, really doubt that.

I don't know what's worse, that DC seems to have no clue what made Harley a good character to begin with, or that people still eat up nu-Harley anyway.

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>>78767005
>I am the only HQ fan here!
>I hate it when the mainstream likes what I don't like

>>78762737
She was meant to be a female version of joker in original Batman aniamted. Now they are trying to make her a STRONG INDEPENDENT WOMAN.

Ffs, she tried to kill innocent countles of times and she suceeded most of the time. Why the hell are they trying to make her some kind of a clever character?

>>78766951
>Someone makes a thread about Harley Quinn being shit.

>They must hate DC

Your logic is rather piss poor, faggot.

>>78767005
>that people still eat up nu-Harley anyway.
This. Far and away this. I expect companies not to get it but the fact that people with such shit taste associate with my hobby insults me.

>>78767105
>Now
Get a load of this casual.

>>78767120
>the fact that people with such shit taste associate with my hobby insults me.
>KING-SIZE FEDORA.jpg

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>>78763064

>Women are never responsible for their actions

Also, maybe the term has changed recently,but when I was in college "hooked up" just meant making out. It didn't mean sex

>>78766727
*you

>>78767105
>She was meant to be a female version of joker in original Batman aniamted.
Even that's not right. Harley was -literally- just a background henchmen, Joker's number 2 that he could actually converse with so we as the audience could hear his plan. Even her voice and personality were just molded after Arleen Sorkin since Paul Dini knew her.

>>78767105
Was there any more OC invented by the cartoon that were later converted into official comic books?

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>>78763064
>if men is drunk he can control himself and not have sex
>if woman is drunk, she have no will and is the same as being drugged

>>78763064
>Women aren't responsible for their actions

So women are equal to retards or the clinically insane? Good job feminism.

>>78767491
X-23

>>78763064
>if woman is intoxicated she gain special privelage of accusing her partner of rape
GJ equality

>>78767658
i meant batman TAS

>>78767491
Mr. Freeze's origin story, if i'm not mistaken
Before the cartoon he was just an ice-themed tief

>>78767751
Only Harley was the successful one, although Dini wanted Roxy Rocket to gain a little of Harley's fame

>>78767695
>putting your dick in people you don't trust

I don't know why people don't like this new direction for Harley. She is a strong female character who isn't afraid to get her hands dirty to do the right thing. She is essentially a half way foil to the Batman and Joker.

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>>78761849
>He really loved the ditz
Since when?

>>78768295
But how am i going to thrust without putting the dick in first?

>>78768233
Wasn't Renee Montoya from Batman: The Animated series originally as well?

>>78768295
I was going to make a joke about heterosexuality but
>implying you can trust whomever you register for a small pork-order

>>78768477
Oh yeah right. I totally forgot about Montoya. Montoya and Harley were the only characters from BTAS to have success

>>78768309
Because she's an obnoxious twat, but at least that explains why you're drawn to her.

>>78768309
tripfag pls go

>>78762580
Welcome to adulthood. Honestly, women never grow out of being a toddler emotionally.

>>78768411
he loved it when she acted like a ditz

>>78768472
getting to know them

>>78768908
Im pretty sure he liked her as her "serious" doctor self more than her overall crazy girl personality that he abused. Thats also why he like batman so much.

>>78763627
Different Anon here, it's because it's the god's honest truth.

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ITT: It's become mainstream/popular so now it sucks.

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>>78764490
>A dick

>>78763627
>>78769125

No he's right, shut the fuck out about your pussy troubles, Jesus fucking Christ. It has nothing to do with comics and cartoons. Make a tumblr and whine about your personal life there or go complain on /pol/, that's what it's for. This kind of shit is literally cancer, infecting threads and making them suck and finally killing them as they're deleted by the mods. It is fucking annoying.

>>78769208
Don't kid yourself, Harley was always popular, it's the only reason why she got ported in the comics in the first place

This is more about too many writers trying to come up with a convoluted/retconning reason why the world should like her instead of letting things go as they were before

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>>78766531
>>78765257
>>78763774
>>78763374
>>78763397

>>78767491
Livewire

>>78762580
>Think about what this says about a woman's ability to make choices for herself. She has complete and total agency until a powerful man gives her vajayjay tingles and then she's effectively mind controlled.

You realize many men do this as well right? Why do people try to ascribe gender-exclusivity to problems that affect everyone?

>>78763627
>make a blog, i am so sick of having to read posts like this when i just want to talk about comics and cartoons. this type of shitposting wasn't even prevalent until ~2013 but now i can't browse this board without having to scroll past people complaining about women.

GEE WHIZ I WONDER WHO STARTED SHOEHORNING GENDER ARGUMENT INTO EVERY FUCKING SUBCULTURE ON THE INTERNET

SURELY IT WASN'T FEMINISTS

You made your fucking bed, now you sleep in it. Stupid cunt.

>>78765085

the subtext was "stalkers and rapists can seem charming and think they're acting out of love," not "women will wet their panties if a rapist looks like Doctor Who." The entire arc is about the horrible flaws and assumptions that drive people like Kilgrave and the damage they (and the tactics they use) wreak upon their victims and how survivors cope when they've been violated. How are you getting charm kills agency out of that?

>>78763318
That was her original backstory.

>>78763803
Wrong. Sociopaths lack the inherent self control and inhibited emotion.

>>78764982
100% wrong. Both terms are still valid and extremely different from APD. At the very least you could argue Sociopathic tendencies were a spectrum for Psychopathic but to claim psychopathy, a neurologically evident phenomena, doesn't exist pegs you as someone talking above their station.

>>78766290
It seems like that's what they're trying to do with DC Superhero Girls, but who knows if it's working or not.

>>78774479
You retard, psychopathy isn't even in the DSM. Hypocrite talking out of your ass about people talking out of their ass...

>>78765977
We are talking about DC man.

>>78774698
>can literally be seen in brain activation patterns
>American whine council don't like it
Have you heard about their in fighting over stupid shit like OCD because of 'personal reasons'? Absolute joke

>>78771949
>You realize many men do this as well right? Why do people try to ascribe gender-exclusivity to problems that affect everyone?
Those problems affect everyone, yes. The difference is in how the people involved are treated by others.

When a woman stays in an abusive relationship, it's treated as entirely the man's fault for leading the poor innoccent victim astray.

When a man stays in an abusive relationship, he's treated as a dumbass who keeps on thinking with his dick instead of using common sense.

I've had to put up with both sides of this with the people I know, and the differences really wear on one after a while.
also, dealing with a relative in an abusive relationship is some of the most aggravating shit ever

>>78774867
>also, dealing with a relative in an abusive relationship is some of the most aggravating shit ever
This

>>78774826
Okay now put up something peer reviewed, I'm curious to see what people who actually study this shit know instead of your worthless opinion.

>>78763796
>>78763801
Lobo is still far stronger than Superman though.

>>78767491
Renee Montoya, Lock-Up.

It happens more often than you think; Alfred owes his appearance to the live-actor who first played him (he was previously overweight), and both Batgirl and Jimmy Olsen were created for the '60s Batman series and '40s Superman Radio series respectively. Actually, Jimmy Olsen is interesting in that he migrated to the comics twice; once after the radio program and once again after the Aventures of Superman used him.

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>>78763574
>she kicks a guy in the face
>massive blood spurt
>she gets punched in the face by a guy twice her size
>"Boff!"

>>78762621
>The latter
Which makes it worth watching.

>>78763269
I know several people with psychology degrees. It's not as hard as you think.

>>78762024
Female characters aren't allowed to be straight up villains anymore. That's sexist.

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>>78763574
Her arm is way low on the opposite side of her swing. I'd accept this if the 2nd panel was a backhand to the face to stun.

Why aren't comic artists required to take a self-defence class?

>>78762580
>She has complete and total agency until a powerful man gives her vajayjay tingles and then she's effectively mind controlled.

Isn't this basically what men say about how they can't help their feelings of lust, and thus either can't stop raping someone or end up pussy-whipped?

>>78764066
>>78763991
b8

>>78762953
dream on faggot

>>78763937
ayyy lmao

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>>78764705
PROVE IT FAGGOT

You assholes keep SAYING that but nobody gives us a citation!

>>78774867
>When a woman stays in an abusive relationship, it's treated as entirely the man's fault for leading the poor innoccent victim astray.
People really think that? Even as a kid, i.e. when I was much more empathetic, I thought my aunt was an idiot for staying with my (thankfully) former uncle.

>>78763762
Like a heroic bomb queen!

>>78765085
>Rape that was enabled because her sense of self literally dissolved at the suggestion of a well dressed man with a foreign accent.

and you know...mind control powers. Same ones he used to control multiple people among them men.

>>78764490
So has this been addressed in anyway yet? The more they keep trying to push her the bigger this is going to get.

>>78785977
It was quietly ignored and never addressed again, meaning it has just as much relevance to her story as that time Batman shat his pants, or was raped by a punk rocker, or teamed up with Joe Chill to fight a man with blades for hands. They don't even reference the origin in that issue.

>>78763350
>previously mildly interesting character becomes invulnerable
>does whatever
>who gives a shit
>they were never in any danger
aaaand dropped.

>>78764286
>http://www.newsarama.com/27435-palmiotti-conner-taking-harley-quinn-back-to-gotham-joker.html
>But as the main series hits the two-year mark this month, the character will prove just how independent and self-confident she's grown as she goes into Arkham Asylum to rescue her new boyfriend from her familiarly villainous old one.
Absolutely disgusting

>>78762580
And they say my doujins are fake here the virgin becomes a sex slave in minutes.

>>78764176
>Power Girl as Tobey Maguire

>>78761849
If it's for the jokers benefit why does she act like that with everyone she meets.

>>78762213
If they did that it would be admitting that a popular female character has a realistic weakness and flaw and isn't empowered and shit and we can't have any popular female characters that don't fit into a bland bourgeois image of what an empowered woman should be like now can we

>>78763449
>box drum mag on a shotgun
I'm not even /k/ and I'm triggered.

>>78763586
>>78763657
She got a C, not a fail.

She wanted the class ranking on top of the degree so she could get into Arkham. The degree alone would've been easy without the smooching. She still knew enough to write a thesis and get a passing grade on it.

>>78790886
So she doesn't risk breaking character?

That said, it would be interesting to see her break that character and speak as Dr. Quinzel to explain her master plan or something.

>>78791253
>speak as Dr. Quinzel


Does she explain how to fuck your way to a degree

>>78791222
So she's mildly intelligent?

You people actually like Harley? She went from idiotic irritating abused house wife to LOL SO QUIRKY STRONG WOMYN killing machine that can beat up lobo. You people find either of those interesting?

>>78791659
I'm just saying she's not retarded.

She had ambition, a plan, and the drive to get the psych degree and Arkham job she wanted so she could get access to the Joker. Her endgame was the Joker but he threw a wrench into all of that and since she had nothing else planned in-universe, her separation with the Joker just puts her in writing limbo as villian of the week which is why writers keep trying to reboot her and rewrite chunks of her so they can point their version of Harley to a new direction but it always falls flat.

Also why Harley threads devolve into endless shitposting about what is TRUE Harley. We should just get our own tvtropes entry for No True Harley to catalogue just how much of /co/'s shitposting is devoted to discussing how every Harley incarnation isn't a true Harley.

>>78791719
As long as someone kills New 52 Lobo, I'll take anything.

>>78765204
do you even read comics?

>>78761849
It's been ages since I watched the animated series but wasn't she about to get a degree in psychology until she met The Joker?

>>78792619
In the animated universe she was studying to get a psychology degree, slept with one of the professors to get higher grades, went into Arkam because she wanted to be a big shot and cure the most dangerous psychos, then she met the Joker

Then the solo canon book she got later retconned that she was a bit crazy since day one, killed her boyfriend by using him as an unaware test subject for experiments with Joker's poison, plus she didn't actually sleep with that one professor, only blackmailed him so she could get into Arkam to meet her idol

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>>78791222
Don't argue the point
The people who are hating on new feminist Harley don't seem to understand the new concept of a new continuity so they will keep bringing up her sleeping her way to a medical degree as if its still canon

Its just a childish bait response at this point
just post this page and tell them to read comics

>>78792952
Hey if Harley's creators says she's a slut who shouldn't even be practicing medicine then she's a slut who shouldn't be practicing medicine.

>>78792985
I'm sure Bill Finger didn't want Joker to have a sidekick either but that still happened

>>78792952
You can't waltz into a 4 year argument about origins and squeeze out a petty deflection like that into a neat little coil.

If Harley had a consistent push from the start, instead of shifting from yet another abuse victim/sociopath to a savvy, quirky, empowered bombshell in one big jerking motion, it'd be less glaring. If her new fans would stop bullshitting her new character into her old one, it'd be less obnoxious. Either of those two things are enough to argue about. Combined, and then paired with that general "no u" attitude her newest fans have, it's insufferable.

>>78792952
Why can't people just question the character's new "feminist" (come on, this is barely about feminism) direction?

If anons keep posting the slut pages is only because so often autists will come out of their way to claim that the point of Harley was ALWAYS that she's pure and innocent until the Joker corrupts her

>>78763449
>jersey trash Harley

So wrong, yet so right

>>78792952
>if its still canon

Which it is

>>78793042
DA victim/sociopathic Harley is best Harley. This new harley might as well be a whole new character altogether.

>>78763318
>she WAS a psychiatrist. Neither of those things would really make sense if she was a complete buffoon.

Lel

>>78763574
>background: psychatrist falling in love with her patient
>for some reason outpowers armed prison thugs twice her size
Nothing wrong with Harley kicking ass, but at least don't show it in a pure brawl contest.
It's the complete opposite of how she fought in BTAS.

>>78793039
But it doesn't really change Joker's core, he's still a killer criminal clown. Harley's change is at her core character.

>>78793219
In the old canon her slightly superhuman strenght was justified with a power-up gift from Poison Ivy, but did that even happen in the New52? I'm not familiar with it
Plus this Harley had a toxic bath like Joker, didn't she? Maybe it has something to do with that

>>78786060
>or was raped by a punk rocker

wh-what

>>78789981
>to rescue her new boyfriend

that's a funny way to spell "Poison Ivy"

>>78763358
>and when she's an old woman she's a hilarious old crank

Is "dumb character becomes crotchety old person in the future" a trope? That happened with Biff Tannen too

>dumbass who can't even remember idioms becomes clever enough to steal a time machine and berate his younger self for being such an idiot

>>78791719
>that can beat up lobo

...isn't that only in Injustice? Where everyone takes retard strength pills?

>>78793272

Joker's core has changed too, though...he went from Clown Prince of Crime to The Devil Incarnate (Wearing Clown Makeup). He went from being a guy with a penchant for wisecracks and goofy criminal schemes to an axe-crazy psychopath who even Batman is afraid of

>>78793045
>(come on, this is barely about feminism)

where do you think we are, anon? everything is about feminism, I saw a guy blame Black Captain America on feminists the other day

>>78793897
I would disagree. He may have gotten 2edgy and piled in the plot armor but in the end the joker is still the killer clown criminal he was in the beginning.

>>78789981
She got a new boyfriend?

>>78793924
Eh, I kinda undestand where they're coming from tho, one of the problems of modern, internet feminists is that they declare every little shit a victory of theirs, so Harley is giving up on Joker more than usual? Hooray, feminism prevails once again! And that's ignoring the marketers trying to bank on said attitude

There's also the recent deal with the people claiming movie Harley shouldn't be depicted as a slut because NuHarley isn't (supposedly) a slut, and so old fans end up blaming this reaction on NuHarley herself instead of the idiotic new fanbase

But yeah, this is still 4chan, fuck that guy

>>78793924
>everything is about feminism

According to feminists, yes

>>78794059
Isn't the biggest problem with movie Harley that she's going to fuck Will Smith? Not that anyone would admit as much on social media of course.

>>78794123
JESUS FUCK IT KEEPS HAPPENING

>>78794135
No the biggest problem is that she's wearing booty shorts and a t-shirt that say daddy's lil monster. Obviously the real Harley would never wear anything so demeaning.

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>>78794190
>Obviously the real Harley would never wear anything so demeaning.

>>78794135
The people i mentioned complain about stuff on her clothes like "Daddy's little monster" or "Property of the Joker", they accuse the movie of making Harley a weak, 2sexy4feminism woman that worships her abuser, because instead the *real* Harley is strong, indipendent and "an actual doctor"

Those bitching about the chance of her fucking Smith instead are just the spawn of /tv/

>>78794251
I actually like how Movie Harley looks so far. Though I won't pretend that the movie isn't going to be dogshit.

>>78794311
I like her look too, i'm cautiously optimistic about her movie

Like, the only thing that actually got me worried is the recent leak that describes a scene of Joker giving the toxic bath to Harley in the upcoming trailer

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>>78794311
Me too.

And I also hope she stays as far aways from the Joker as possible for completely different reasons however.

>>78794417
'her movie'?
Did I miss something or has SuicideSquad now really become Harley the movie?

And I don't mind the toxic bath thing that much. She makes the pale skin work way better than the comic does. But that might just be due to the artists being generally crap.

>>78794059
>There's also the recent deal with the people claiming movie Harley shouldn't be depicted as a slut because NuHarley isn't (supposedly) a slut,

Have these idiots seen nuHarley's nuCostume?