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So just saw TFA for a second time today and picked up on somethings I missed the first time around. All relating to Rey. Just going to come out and say it. I think she is the only apprentice of Luke's to survive the second Jedi Purge. Here are the things that I picked up on that made me think this.
Start of the movie when she asked BB8 where it was from and it tells her it is classified she replies with.
>"Classified huh? Same for me it's a big secret
When Maz Kanata is telling her about the force
>Maz says :"The Place you belong is not behind you child, it's ahead of you
>Rey replies "With Luke."
Also in her force version you can hear Obi Wan calling out her name. The full implications of this are not known yet but I wanted to throw it in there anyways
Then at the ending when see meets Luke and they just stare at each other you can tell Luke is starting to tear up. I believe he is tearing up cause she found her way back to him
The biggest evidence for this comes from when Kylo was reading her mind and said this
>I see you dream at night of an island surrounded by an ocean.
At the end of the movie you see Luke on a island surrounded by an ocean
I think Luke blocked off her memories to suppress her force powers and left her on Jakku to protect her from the First Order.
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There is any REAL difference between inquisitours/acolytes and actual sith?
Because I always heard the same "they are not sith poorly trained in the dark side" but every depiction of acolytes (and now inquisitors) use the very same powers than the sith and fight Jedi on equal ground.
So there is anything Sith can do that acolytes/inquisitor can't?
From last thread relating to this
The Jedi that betrayed Luke wasn't Kylo Ren but instead was Rey's brother.
Luke was so personally ashamed that his own legacy would turn against him, he went into hiding vowing to never train another student. Rey, who was already being trained at a very young age, had her memory wiped and was cast far away from Luke where he couldn't fail her like he failed her brother. Her brother now being a Sith.
Sith Inquisitors do not know advanced force techniques like Force Lightning or Sith Alchemy. They aren't told any Sith secrets
They are only taught the basics of lightsaber combat. They have to use their spin sabers to even gain the upper hand at all against most force users.
Compare any of the 3 inquisitors to Darth Vader, Darth Maul, Darth Sidious, Darth Tyrannus. There's a clear gap in skill.
Also, what >>78369473 said
I doubt that most people actually "hate" it. Most just dislike some of the childish things about it.
Neither Kyle nor the term "Grey Jedi" are canon.
Does anyone else feel like they're just going to go back to the EU being their headcanon? I just have a feeling that once all the mystery of the new trilogy goes away and we are stuck with 'oh I guess Luke fucked up, Han and Leia fucked up, the Rebels fucked up, everyone fucked up, the OT was kind of pointless because none of the goals the characters had were met' along with one of those movies being a rehash of ANH and another being made by the guy who made the new Jurassic Park the EU (minus the Vong) will look much better. Plus something about the new canon just doesn't feel legitimate to me. The EU felt legitimate because when you had magazines say 'Did you know' sections about Star Wars characters it all said shit about the EU. I just can't imagine a 'Did you know' mentioning things from the new canon. Plus nobody is even reading the new canon shit (at least not as many people as there was for the EU), the new games are all shit (and made by EA for TEN YEARS), and we're going to get a movie every single year (meaning Star Wars will die soon since everyone will be tired to death of it similar to the Marvel movies after they do Infinity Gauntlet, also with already terrible choices being made like an Han Solo movie made by the guys who made Lego Movie and 21 Jump Street).
I really want to like the new canon but I feel like in the long run I'll just see myself picking and choosing good things from the EU as my headcanon.
Better First Order Theme:
I know using the Imperial March wouldn't work.
Right now the closest thing we've got is the Son of Dathomir comic.
Eventually, I think we'll get a TCW comic to resolve any loose ends.
That would be a better theme for the Republic pre-Empire, I think. Like you can picture clones marching to it and it has this real air of excitement and glory, but of course the Imperial March motif is hiding within the chords, ready to emerge.
It's weird but I feel the same way you do, only the exact opposite. To me nothing besides what it's specifically declared Canon feels real, I can't get it out of my head that legends is just one big "what if".
To be fair though I got into star wars pretty late.
For all their talk of peace and order, both the Republic and the Empire were pretty bad at combating and reducing crime in the galaxy.
I am just confused why there is a small rebel group fighting the first order with some republic support and not the full force of the Republic military fighting the first order. It's not like the Republic is backing a group in a civil war. The first order explicitly wants to destroy the republic, so I don't get why they contract it out to someone else
Kyle has basically been retooled into Kanan, with some changes.
Grey Jedi are "Canon" but they're not being stupid about it and just slapping "jedi" onto anything that isn't a specific faction.
Ahsoka is a non-affiliated light side force user who wields lightsabers.
The term isn't canon. Grey Jedi are still canon(Ahsoka) they're just not being stupid about it and slapping the term "Jedi" onto any force user without a specific faction.
Sith are fully committed to what is basically a religion and apparently this does give them a stronger connection to the dark side.
Acolytes/inquisitors can do stuff I think its just that sith do it better, they're stronger.
That's because instead of dealing with a city they had to deal with entire solar systems. You know how you can go around a big town like Detroit or New York and see people shooting up heroin on the street corner but nobody does anything because it's unfeasible for cops to deal with all the druggies in the city? Imagine what would happen if instead of New York they had to deal with a galaxy. You would see entire continents on planets owned by gangs.
>Filoni literally George's Padawan
>Not able to direct a live action movie.
Kathleen has been plotting against him for years, but soon he will have his revenge.
Because the Republic "demilitarized". For them to reveal massive military might after a decade plus of being scornful of a Republic military would require massive diplomatic pull to convince the member worlds to donate troops to the fighting, which they're under no legal obligation to provide and would probably be poo-pooed by the public for having provided and be political suicide for Senator X.
Here it is if anyone feels like checking
.....Oh god he has a YouTube too
Is the Book of the Sith still canon?
Well, as of aftermath much like the previous EU, theres dozens if not hundreds of governors, generals, admirals and moffs out there with their own little tithes.
The Republic only had a small fraction of the galaxy, and had to start fighting a major
Ultimately, it's pretty likely the republic either didn't have enough resources, their fleets were off dealing with other remnants or other political issues were holding them back. Like the fleet having to primary act as a defensive force while small strike forces such as the 'resistance' operate surgical strikes against the empire.
But the post-Jedi EU was just as fucked, if not more then what we're getting in the Canon.
Luke's wife is dead and his attempt at bringing the order back ends up flopping, though on a slower scale. Han and Leia had one son die and another go dark side. Chewbacca was killed by a moon. The galaxy gets anally raped by rejected 40K villains and a new edgier band of Sith Lords.
And really, the new generation doesn't really get to fully step to the plate because the old trio has to solve everyone's problems well past the period when they qualify for the senior rate at Dex's Diner.
>turning the EU into film would actually require them to have an original thought
>turning books and stories that already exist into movie
Here the second on of those collector Poster AMC is giving out at imax screenings
>I see you dream at night of an island surrounded by an ocean.
This part is bigger than most people have been crediting it for, no one knew where Luke was, yet Rey had in her memories the place, it's clear that she was there with Luke, and given her ability with the Force, she was being trained, yet for some reason Luke decided to stop her training and drop her on Jakku
I don't have a transcription. He says, to the affect, "that Luke was a teaching a new generation of Jedi, and then one of his students went bad and ruined the whole thing."
That path of least resistance as to why Solo is vague is of course because he's referring to Kylo Ren.
Late he in refers to Snoke explicitly as the cause of Kylo's confusion.
This isn't rocket science.
He drew a pic of Rey.
Don't know what it means.
He was probing her mind, i find it hard to think that he was seeing into the future, or JJ is taking a page from the old EU and have Ren incapable of seeing into the future and having to use others to do it (I think it was Tenebrous or Plagueis that had this problem)
>What would have happened if Kenobi had killed Anakin?
Denied Darth Vader the Emperor would have raised a new inferior apprentice, Kenobi might have had the fortitude to continue the fight against the rising empire, maybe things wouldn't gone quite so bad for so long.
This. It's really strange how people complain that the new canon is too bleak when New Jedi Order started shitting on everything to ridiculous levels, ruined or wasted characters and topped it all with everyone's efforts being worthless because we gotta have the sith come back and win in the end according to Legacy.
I rather have a fresh start on the chance it won't go that grimderp again, and will just enjoy my favorite EU books as Infinites.
They were never mandalorians until the EU made them into mandalorians.
They were designed and created with the idea that they wore the armor of a feared warrior race, but were not members of it themselves.
The word "mandalorian" was never spoken on-screen until TCW.
>Tfw have an AMC theater
>Went to the Plex because half off on tickets
>Mfw I didn't know AMC was giving out posters
>Rey, did I ever tell you about the Speed Force? It's an extradiomensional energy field connected to all living things, that a select few can harness, providing them with extraordinary powers. It has a light side and a dark side, and those that can tap into the negative form of it use it to wreak havoc and destruction, while those that wield its true power vowed to uphold law and order whenever they went.
I thought this was the best place for Star Wars discussion.
Boy do I have a treat for you
I saw it last night for the second time.
But I sneaked into the film immediately after seeing The Martian so Disney didn't get my money twice.
It's the opposite for me, it only confirmed the issues I had with it previously. But this time I was able to listen to the music a bit better, along with hearing the different voices during the Rey's Force Vision.
Rey's theme remains the only good motif.
I don't know where this "Jango Fett and Boba Fett aren't Mandolorian" meme came from, but it isn't true and I think I speak for most of us when I say that I'm tired of you shitting up these threads with your autism over it.
You're literally feeding the beast.
It came from a line in the Clone Wars, where the guy on Mandalore said that Jango was no Mandalorian, because Mandalorians are peaceful and he has NO idea where he could have gotten that armor.
Yes, people in these threads are THAT stupid.
Hopefully something that'll utililze Gwen's training fully.
Like the Sandor vs. Brienne fight.
ALSO SHUT THE FUCK UP SOUNDTRACKFAG
any got a download for the The Art of Star Wars: The Force Awakens?
Kylo Ren's motif is god tier, and just as good as the Imperial March.
I'm planning to see it a third time this weekend. Second time was just as good and I was able to notice a lot more little things.
What can i say? I have only seen 8 movies this year and my favourite was John Wick, this one is in second place. Besides is the first Star Wars movie except for Ep III that i don't want to sleep in.
Ultimate Edition for TPM contains more tracks and is meant to sound more like they are in the film.
The AotC Complete Score is just that. Might be missing a track or too. I don't know if it's official or fan compiled.
RotS Extended Edition soundtrack is probably fan-compiled too.
I have issues with the pacing of the movie, and the use of music in the film (not the quality or ability of John Williams).
And Rey being able to not only resist Kylo, but enter his mind, along with the Jedi Mind Trick when she didn't know the Jedi were real five minutes ago.
She's probably gonna get some better scenes in Episodes 8 and 9.
Till then, she's the new Boba.
yfw its revealed that she's a Mando
My explanation is that the lightsaber unlocked hidden memories and knowledge of the Force within her. Note that she doesn't start doing Force shit until after the lightsaber sequence.
I could be wrong, but that's how I interpreted it. She likely has repressed training or genetic Force abilities that emerged from that moment,
A 5 OUT OF 5
DON QUIXOTE AT THE END OF THE WORLD
Yeah that pissed me off a little but by that time she already touched the lightsaber which trigger her memories so maybe that helped. And she is most likely the daughter of Luke, she is too powerful to not be seriously.
Of course she is. Mandos would have conquered the galaxy if not for Revan.
Obviously the most bad asses are Mandos.
>this guy's voice
>this guy's opinions
>this guy's logic
I can't do this
Only seen it once. Going to put on the camrip while wrapping christmas presents tomorrow.
Right now its sitting at a 9/10. There were a bunch of scenes that made me tear up, nostalgia mostly. Star Wars has always been a big thing in my family's life, being able to see another new one on the big screen hit me hard, so my 9 is extremely biased.
We'll see where it sits after another viewing.
Yep, they're the special edition re-issues from when the Special Editions were released. The Ultimate Edition for TPM is official.
The AotC and RotS ones are probably some fan compilations
>Poe is 25-30, Luke helps his parents in Shattered Empire so he's no older than 30.
Poe was already born during Shattered Empire, so he was at least 30, probably a couple years older.
Once but I want to see it again
It sits at about an 8, it's so far having the positive effect of the more I think about it the more I like it. I want to see it again to reaffirm if I really did hate Finn as much as I did or if I was being too hard on him for being the funny character. I know I'll always hate that throw away joke that he was a janitor; it added nothing and dropped like a wet turd
In my time here i have notice that fans always put Return of the jedi in the last place of the trilogy, its because of the Ewoks being cute? Because if it is then thats super retarded. Muh serious movies
>she already touched the lightsaber which trigger her memories so maybe that helped
>the lightsaber unlocked hidden memories
We don't know that yet.
I know we can hand wave it with space magic and destiny, but it's still.
It's the mind trick most of all. How would she know how to do that? But I realize the more I ask these questions the more I won't get an answer that makes sense, and that it will have to be enough.
The mind trick is easy, the jedi mind trick is simply you ravaging a weaker mind and bending it to your will, as Satan does.
I'm still not sure why mind tricks are a neutral/light side power. It seems inherently evil.
Leia twist is pointless
Han and Leia are given a throw away plot so they get to do something
Wasted carbon frozen Han by saving him in the intro and it having no affect on the overarching plot as such
Reused the Deathstar plot
I watched it again last night.
The Ewoks really weigh the movie down, dude. The Jabba's Palace scene is excellent, the speeder bike chase is riveting, but as soon as Leia meets Wicket, the movie grinds to a halt. Everything has to be put on hold so we can see these teddy bears and their pointless worshipping of C-3PO and capture of everyone, which goes nowhere. The Emperor/Vader/Luke scenes are top notch and the attack on the Death Star is fun but everything on Endor aside from the speeder bike chase makes me want to fast forward.
I personally rank it 2nd after ESB (although I think TFA might surpass it for me now). The only thing that I think is wrong with it is the Jabba part lasts too long and it's not that interesting to me. But all the Battle of Endor and Throne Room stuff is actually some of the best parts of the entire saga.
>Start of the movie when she asked BB8 where it was from and it tells her it is classified she replies with.
>"Classified huh? Same for me it's a big secret
I don't know WHY this part does not get speculated on more
With all of those overwhelming visions and memories the lightsaber gave her, is it really a stretch to say that unlocked hidden knowledge of the Force? She heard the voices of Obi-Wan and Yoda, whom she didn't even know before, so it's really not hard to think she learned a lot about the Force in that one instance.
That's just silly, but whatever.
I doubt anyone here is old enough to have seen Return of the Jedi when it was new while also being old enough to analyze it critically back then, but I really am curious as to what people thought of it compared to all the hype that led up to it at the time. Was it unanimously considered a disappointment? Now, the younger generations grew up watching all three at once so we don't really have any experience with the hype for it.
So what was the deal with the Yuzzums? Were they Imperial loyalists? Why didn't the Rebels enlist their help in the Battle of Endor? They're clearly more advanced than the Ewoks. They've got guns. And singing careers.
Jesus christ. I know '>opinions' but god damn. And people wonder why everyone calls this thread the shittiest Star Wars thread on 4chan. Because we have people who's favorite part of Star Wars is the Ewoks.
We've even got people who think TFA was a well crafted story with developed characters. Fucking disgusting.
I mean the entire thing, from the minute they get to Endor to the end credits. For a long time it was actually my favorite Star Wars movie, better than ESB, and I would still say that if I didn't love Hoth and the Bespin duel so much.
Sorry man, but that shit almost ruins the movie for me.
We spend three movies building up to a final confrontation with this big, scary threat, and how is it resolved? Fucking teddy bears using logs, rocks and rope.
>lots of people have an opinion
>that must mean they're brainwashed and it isn't a legitimate opinion.
You can say that about everything.
>Interesting how people aren't brainwashed by the "universal" hate of eating dog turds, right?
I don't care what all of you say, I loved Rey. Sure, she was a bit overpowered, but I was never distracted by it. She was still super cute, badass, and fun to watch. I can't wait to see more of her.
If anyone even thinks for an instant that Anakin in Attack of the Clones was a better protagonist, then you really need to rethink your priorities.
Hopefully Vader will be sent to kill him and we can re canonize the pottery of the non canon comic where Vader kills a Maul clone.
>Maul: How? What could you hate enough to destroy me?
P O T T E R Y
Sucks that Luke failed to restart the Jedi order. He was the new hope of the Jedi and he failed and essentially everything reverted to the place it was at the beginning of A New Hope.
I don't know if I like this.
>nd people wonder why everyone calls this thread the shittiest Star Wars thread on 4chan.
Have you not seen /tv/?
I actually like being here
Have you read any of the EU where it's actually worse than TFA?
But that really isn't cool at all. We spent 2 movies believing that the empire was this large unstoppable force ruling the galaxy for over a decade and nothing can stop them and they all get taken down because of Ewoks. Like you'd think that log traps and shit would have been thought of years ago on some other planet
You are aware ROTJ was coming off of TESB which is also a kids movie but didn't have stupid things like that right?
Every time I rewatch ROTJ, I can't deny how much Ewoks were a goddamn mistake. They completely kill the good pacing the movie has up to that point
Fucking this. At least, if you don't polarize your wording too much, you talk about all the movies here.
Not right now of course, TFA has brought in a shit ton of people, whether former browsers, newfags, or just new opinions in long-time browsers to argue about.
Hopefully This Is Madness will shake us out of it in a month or so when it starts.
>mfw hype for Script Wars round 2
>Have you read any of the EU where it's actually worse than TFA?
I don't know too much about it beyond the generals of the Yuuzhan Vong War and the Legacy series where Jacen Solo turns to the dark side.
Tell me more about it and why it is actually worse. I thought Luke at least succeeded to restart the Jedi order.
Fuck off with that excuse. The stormtroopers jobbing to the fucking Ewoks was terrible. Just because it's a "kid's movie" doesn't mean it should get a pass for dumb shit, especially when it completely clashes with the tone set by the previous two movies.
What's next, defending Jar Jar?
So in TFA the reason why the Resistance didn't just evacuate their base before the First Order could shoot was why? They didn't have the Republic fleet to support them, sure, but did that mean they actually needed to call up the Hosnian System on the space phone and order a bus? Like the Resistance doesn't bother to maintain it's own transport ships?
The whole concept of needing the Republic fleet was kind of stupid. As a deterrent, sure, a threat to keep the First Order from directly attacking the Republic but surely the Resistance would maintain it's own ships. Basically like how Bail Organa was supplying Phoenix Squadron with blockade runners. You don't use your own ships because then you get in trouble, so you supply the rebellion/resistance with ships and claim you don't know how they got them. Plausible deniability and all that. The first time the Republic used it's fleet to directly support the Resistance surely they'd be in a big ass war with the First Order, which seemed to be something both sides were avoiding (at least the First Order was delaying until their super weapon was complete).
The thing is a better excuse would be if the Resistance Base was in a populated solar system that they couldn't evacuate. In the old days of thirty years ago the Rebellion used uninhabited worlds but now the First Order can wipe out entire systems, so the Resistance was in a "we stop the First Order or we die trying" mindset.
TFA worked a lot because it didn't feel the need to add any random species to appeal to kids for no reason. They didn't need forced shit like Ewoks or Jar Jar or whatever, they already knew it was Star Wars and that would appeal to kids already
Also BB-8 but that's obvious.
Empire Strikes Back > A New Hope > Return of the Jedi = The Force Awakens > Revenge of the Sith > Attack of the Clones = Phantom Menace
Aftermath was a pain in the ass to read and I didn't even bother finishing it, but one of the few parts I enjoyed was the description of Ewoks dragging screaming Stormtroopers into the brush - never to be seen again.
Hungry little bastards.
I hate how this basically negates everything the characters fought for in the OT.
It sounds funny to say this, but when you think about it, this movie runs the OT worse than the PT ever did.
He did, but there was all sorts of bullshit. Hethrir and his boys Desann and Galak fucking shit up, the Yuuzhan Vong fucking shit up, the witches fucking shit up, Anakin getting killed, Jacen and Tahiri just ruining everything, and so on
What did you think TFA was going to be about 2 years ago?
I had no idea, but like that fake poster, I thought Max von Sydow was going to have a major role, likely as a villain. I sure as shit wasn't expecting him to be some random villager that got iced in the first five minutes.
Why even bother getting such an esteemed actor for a role like that?
The only Stormtroopers that were shown to be of any use in the OT were the ones that acted with Vader around them, minus Cloud City. The majority of them have been incompetent since looking for R2 and Threepio on Tatooine.
Ah, actually Yavin is a good example. On the one hand they apparently used their base as bait to draw the Death Star in for their slim chance of taking out the Death Star with their fighters. In the comics, however, the also had to call in ships from the various other Rebel cells to evacuate.
Attack of the Clones is a structural mess that essentially has two completely separate plots for most of the movie. The Obi-Wan detective scenes are cool but they kept cutting away every few minutes to show us more Anakin/Padme bullshit - watch it again and you will see how jarring the constant shift in perspective is. Why didn't George have Anakin and Padme come along on Obi-Wan's adventures so the story was always on the same track? That way you could potentially get some actual, natural bonding between Anakin and Padme rather than awkward leering and stilted "I don't like sand" shit.
So, did anybody get a good look at the ships orbiting Hosnian? They kinda looked like Star Destroyers.
AOTC is great when it's solely following Kenobi. Everything else is just ugh. And then when his plot and Anakins merge on Geonosis it just gets worse.
Come to think of it, that could sum up the prequels in general.
No he was probably just off-planet at the time and thus escaped the Space Shoah
His "muh Princess" line regarding Leia pretty much cements it, only Alderaanfags and their royalty boner would bother with that
So we're all aware that ever single line Kylo Ren said had a double meaning and that he's actually working for the light, right? Cause after watching it for the third time it's almost painful obvious with everything he does and says.
PS. Holy shit Adam Driver is such a good actor.
I don't know how I'll show you the power of the darkness can be misconstrued
The double meaning was his lines to Han though. In that they were supposed to sound conflicted about wanting to go back to the light but he was really talking about "please help me, I want to be evil more"
Once they knew about the First Order weapon they should have been prepared to leave. Remember that it was the First Order back tracking their own recon that alerted the First Order of their location. So yeah they should have been prepared to run or they were just really really stupid.
>The double meaning was his lines to Han though.
>mfw watching for a second time and realizing what he meant when he asked his father to help him.
>There's something I have to do but I don't know if I'm strong enough
I thought it was pretty clear mostly from the ominous setup.
I also thought the face reveal should have been saved for this scene. Would have been much more impactful coupled with the "what do you expect to see under it" exchange. That felt like it was intended for the audience but we already saw his face by then.
I thought they really were going to start redeeming him this early until Han grabbed the lightsaber and that's when I was like "oh fuck, he's completely talking about something else"
Case in point, some of the lines I can remember, with his first one while talking to the old man:
"Your family is super important"
"You have no idea." Meaning that he had to betray his uncle, mother, father and who knows how many friends to be able to achieve this insane goal, that in the end, will finally bring balance to everything. (But my hunch is Luke's in on it as well).
"WHAT GIRL!?" Why else would he spazz out so bad about some random person helping the random stormtrooper unless he knew that on Jakku, there's a Jedi in hiding there cause he and Luke put her there in the first place.
-All of the lines he said to Han
-"You need a teacher" so he can gain her trust, he can teach her how to use the dark side against Snoke, ect, they need to become buddies to be able to work together in the end
Ahhh yeesss, it's all coming together.
I figure he has something to do with Rey. Maybe the person she was left on the planet with and his mission was to search the wrecks for the Skywalker data.
As for why she wasn't with him, maybe she had a rebellious teenage phase, hopped on her speeder, and set off to do her own thing. He and his people may have kept an eye on her. Could be seen in a Force flashback since I suspect eventually we'll see more of the vision Rey had of herself in the next movie revealing how she was left behind. Just guessing but her being left there and him being on a mission for the Resistance - and his connection to Kylo Ren - is heavily suggestive. It would be too much of a coincidence if they weren't somehow connected.
Wasn't their a regular female stormtrooper too who spoke with Kylo Ren?
why is no one discussing this pottery.
>So who was the old man with the final map piece at the beginning?
Rebel helper. He had info and gave it to another Rebel.
>Was BB-8 female?
BB-8 is a robot.
>Why did R2D2 wake up only when he did?
Luke either programmed him to wake up when A-Rey specially was going to be there
B-When someone with a lot of Jedi power was there.
>-"You need a teacher" so he can gain her trust, he can teach her how to use the dark side against Snoke, ect, they need to become buddies to be able to work together in the end
That one was because Snoke wanted her alive too though you know
"As long as there's light, there's hope"
>mfw realizing what this really meant on a second viewing
JJ does good things sometimes
These are all bad answers. "Just a rebel" doesn't explain how he personally knew Kylo and had the final piece of a puzzle that was being looked by the two strongest forces in the galaxy and that kickstarts the whole movie.
>BB-8 is a robot.
There are female whore robots. Ergo, robots can be female.
>Luke either programmed him to wake up when A-Rey specially was going to be there
B-When someone with a lot of Jedi power was there.
Just say we don't know.
>So who was the old man with the final map piece at the beginning?
>Was BB-8 female?
No, he was referred to as he multiple times
>Why did R2D2 wake up only when he did?
I dunno. Might be revealed later. Might have to do with that part in the vision when Luke puts his hand on R2
I can't wait to overanalyze this trilogy for pottery. That said I'm glad JJ is gone. His directing style doesn't really suit Star Wars IMO. It's very frantic and almost claustrophobic, the way he shoots things.
>Why did R2D2 wake up only when he did?
According to Abrams, when BB-8 goes up to him at the end and beeps at him, he's saying "yo I got the final piece of the map let's put it together" and that's what gets Artoo's attention.
Not the best explanation honestly but better than some of the theories tossed around.
I dunno. Probably preoccupied with the Ultra Death Star X5 Championship Edition or something. Maybe once all of that was over and they had time to relax, then he decided to go wake Artoo.
Episode 8 predictions
Fin and Rey separated for most of the movie.
The Republic proper gets involved in the fight v the FO bringing more fire power but also bogging things down with politics and red tape. Leia sends Fin and Poe on secret missions and shit, political corruption within the the republic possibly exposed, possibly Snoke, though that would be super Sidious 2.0 like so maybe not.
Luke trains Rey. Probably how most of the movie will be spent. He'll give her a Jedi history lesson thus filling us in on the nu canon origins of the Jedi. Snoke will do the same for the Sith while training Kylo. Luke will teach her much about the force but refuse to teach her about her own past.
At some point Rey will leave in frustration and go to face Kylo despite Luke's insistence she's not ready, she will lose and he will rescue her at the last second and drop the
Rey, I am your father!bombshell. Its too good you know they're gonna have him say it.
During all this the FO will start operating more like terrorists using hit and run tactics since there's no way they have the resources for much else after losing their mega death star. I hope to god they don't build another in fact I hope someone recommends it and Snoke tells them that's the dumbest thing he's ever heard.
>The Republic proper gets involved in the fight v the FO bringing more fire power but also bogging things down with politics and red tape. Leia sends Fin and Poe on secret missions and shit, political corruption within the the republic possibly exposed, possibly Snoke, though that would be super Sidious 2.0 like so maybe not.
>imblying there will ever be politics in Star Wars ever again
>Reading Rey's story in Before the Awakening
>mfw video games exist in the Star Wars universe
Rey's initial vision with Luke/Anakin's saber was pretty distorted, but were those children screaming that she heard? Because if so that's hilarious. The legend of Anakin's childmurder saber lives on.
Ematt was in the movie, he was part of the Resistance. I don't think he had any lines, but he was played by this guy.
Life debts presumably don't transfer like that, otherwise presumably Jar Jar's would have transferred to ... Obi-Wan? Qui-Gon's relatives?
Does anybody deserve that?
Also pretty sure the life debt thing is just an excuse for their totally heterosexual cohabitation.
Continuing to pretend the little "resistance" is all that exists is just stupid. It was already the weakest point of the movie, good guys won but there still the little "rebels" hopelessly out gunned by the guys who lost.
It doesn't make sense and they have to acknowledge the existence of the larger republic.
Does the Republic still have something not destroyed by Starkiller base? I get that people want Star Wars to be the smaller good guys vs the larger bad guys, I really want to see a battle between new ships in the next movie.
>Fin and Rey separated for most of the movie.
Get ready for FINN AND POE'S EXCELLENT ADVENTURES
We did this already
We already did literally all the high notes of all the OT already
If you'd ever watched Family Guy or seen certain Robot Chicken skits you'd known. Combination of years on drugs and apparently she's into good old fashioned smokes, too. Does not do a body good.
Also so far I've seen people calling riot trooper TR-8R and so on. He seems pretty popular.
>Capital and senate
Any senators that weren't on Hosnian Prime can choose a new capital and cobble together a working senate out of the ruins.
We don't know for sure that the entire fleet was destroyed.
Do you want to see endless bitching about someone other than Carrie playing old Leia, while Carrie is still alive?
>Do you want to see endless bitching about someone other than Carrie playing old Leia, while Carrie is still alive?
Not to mention I don't think they'd have risked the potential negative publicity.
TPM - No plating at all, having just been finished being reassembled by Anakin from Watto's junkyard
AOTC - Worn and stained silver plating
TCW/RotS - Shiny gold plating courtesy of Padme's Naboo Riches
Rebels/OT - Shiny gold plating with a silver right leg below the knee. Gold sheen slowly disappears between ANH and RotJ
TFA - Shiny gold plating with red left arm(that gets replaced at the very end with a gold one)
All of them except for Aftermath are worth reading.
Aftermath works better as an Audiobook
>mfw TR-8R shows up in every movie with even more decked out armor before having a final glorious duel with the traitor
>Ends in pottery as he wipes a bloody hand across Finn's face
>Luke and the New Republic on Coruscant
>Gwendoline Christie was a jedi instructor
>Daisy's Leia's daughter
>Lupita Nyong'o was either a pirate or a bounty hunter
>Adam Driver was a sith guy
>Max Von Sydow and Andy Serkis are villains
>Dohmnal Gleeson is a Skywalker
> Oscar Isaac was a soldier
>Leia was a Jedi by then
>Han and Chewie were basically the same
I guess I was 45% correct
>guy gets Autism triggered by X-Wings
I'm looking at this video. I'm seeing this clip art. I'm looking at the running time. And everything inside me tells me to not even bother, to just turn away.
But I have to know.
It sounds insane to me when people use the prequels to explain why they think TFA was so great. They'll bring up all the shitty parts of the prequels, and then say that TFA is good because it doesn't make those same mistakes.
A movie doesn't become good just because it didn't fuck up as badly as the last one. You have every right to like TFA, but you should like it for the stuff that it does right rather than the stuff it doesn't do wrong.
Am I making sense?
Out of morbid curiosity I checked some more of this fat manchild's videos. He really is /tv/ incarnate.
No, you're making the mistake of judging a work on its own, in a vacuum, rather than in a continuum with other related works.
We stopped with that primitive nonsense way back in the 40s.
Well, as I said, the term itself isn't canon, but the canon equivalent I would describe as:
A force user who is not affiliated with any particular order(Jedi, Sith, Dagoyan Masters, Nightsisters, etc), but generally follows the path of the Light Side of The Force.
They had better expand the scale of the battles. Throughout the movie it was nothing but a couple of squads of stromtroopers and a handful of fighters ever fighting. There was only one fucking capital ship and even it wasn't around to protect the First Order's secret weapon.
Look, I could make a movie consisting of Jabba the Hutt fingering an Ewok for two and a half hours and it would still be better than Attack of the Clones. Would that make it a good movie? No.
All I'm saying is that we should judge TFA on its own merits rather than how it ranks against the other movies, because that's a waste of time. The consensus is almost always going to be "better than the prequels, not as good as the originals".
>but generally follows the path of the Light Side of The Force.
That doesn't exactly describe Ahsoka then. If she followed the light she wouldn't do anything and would be like totally non-violent.
>All I'm saying is that we should judge TFA on its own merits
Yes, because you're a savage. Saying you should judge things on their own merits is like saying we should still be using horse-drawn carriages instead of cars.
You're adhering to long-defunct critical standards, which were abandoned after Russian formalism failed.
Criticism has long since moved on from the nonsensical idea that an artistic work can ever been evaluated "on its own".
Keyword there is
Jedi follow the light side but they kill when it means protecting others.
Those Mortis representations were just visions and they were the exact, perfect extremes of each side, with The Father mediating.
Following the Light Side doesn't mean you're totally nonviolent.
It was advertised as a movie rather than what it actually was, which is 4 episodes stitched together to make one long pilot episode. Thinking of it as a film left a lot of people wanting more from it. But if you think of it within its proper context, it is a decent pilot to a TV series.
Does anyone know how to obtain Kylo Ren in Galaxy Of Heroes? Also, some of the holograms don't have a chain, are those levels still not develop?
>Those Mortis representations were just visions
I don't see it that way.
>Jedi follow the light side but they kill when it means protecting others.
The Jedi embrace the force as a whole. Both light and dark. If they ignored the dark side they'd never have been keepers of the peace.
>The Jedi embrace the force as a whole. Both light and dark.
This has literally never been the case. All six movies talk about how bad the dark side is and how it's not the way of the jedi.
>But Zeb gets in
Bullshit, I blame Affirmative Action on this one.
I'll vote for Either Poe or Finn in this.
>I don't see it that way.
It doesn't matter really how you see it. Ultimately, visions are the canon explanation and the mindset behind the episodes.
>The Jedi embrace the force as a whole. Both light and dark.
Nope, they follow the Light Side. The Jedi embracing both has never been the case. The movies talk about how it isn't the Jedi way and how the Dark Side is bad.
>If they ignored the dark side they'd never have been keepers of the peace.
They try to stamp out the Dark Side because, by nature, the Dark Side corrupts. The Dark Side is the path to evil. The way the Sith use the Dark Side is especially corruptive, because they twist the Force to their own means.
Well fuck me, I don't know who to vote for.
>talk about how bad the dark side is and how it's not the way of the jedi.
Giving into the dark side as a whole is bad. Subjugating and abusing the dark side is bad. Working with the force as a whole and the light and dark side and not give in is the Jedi way. To be in balance with the two. That's why killing the Sith is PART of Anakin's prophecy.
Which book is better to own
Star Wars: The Force Awakens Visual Dictionary or The Movie Art Book?
I just want to buy one.