Star Wars Rebels

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So just saw TFA for a second time today and picked up on somethings I missed the first time around. All relating to Rey. Just going to come out and say it. I think she is the only apprentice of Luke's to survive the second Jedi Purge. Here are the things that I picked up on that made me think this.

Start of the movie when she asked BB8 where it was from and it tells her it is classified she replies with.
>"Classified huh? Same for me it's a big secret

When Maz Kanata is telling her about the force
>Maz says :"The Place you belong is not behind you child, it's ahead of you
>Rey replies "With Luke."

Also in her force version you can hear Obi Wan calling out her name. The full implications of this are not known yet but I wanted to throw it in there anyways

Then at the ending when see meets Luke and they just stare at each other you can tell Luke is starting to tear up. I believe he is tearing up cause she found her way back to him

The biggest evidence for this comes from when Kylo was reading her mind and said this

>I see you dream at night of an island surrounded by an ocean.

At the end of the movie you see Luke on a island surrounded by an ocean
I think Luke blocked off her memories to suppress her force powers and left her on Jakku to protect her from the First Order.

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Remember to purge traitors, wherever they may be.

>>78369348
I think she's his daughter.

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Star Wars: The Clone Wars film in 1080p has been added to the films MEGA.

Soundtracks upload is also finished. Download away!

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There is any REAL difference between inquisitours/acolytes and actual sith?

Because I always heard the same "they are not sith poorly trained in the dark side" but every depiction of acolytes (and now inquisitors) use the very same powers than the sith and fight Jedi on equal ground.

So there is anything Sith can do that acolytes/inquisitor can't?

>>78369348
I'd prefer this to her being a blood relative of the Skywalkers, to be honest.
Luke's adopted daughter?

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>>78369348
From last thread relating to this


The Jedi that betrayed Luke wasn't Kylo Ren but instead was Rey's brother.

Luke was so personally ashamed that his own legacy would turn against him, he went into hiding vowing to never train another student. Rey, who was already being trained at a very young age, had her memory wiped and was cast far away from Luke where he couldn't fail her like he failed her brother. Her brother now being a Sith.

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BB-8 A CUTE! A CUTE!!!!!!!!!!!

>>78369416
Sith only deal in absolutes, so inquisitors can have a bit of relativism.

>>78369416
Does Ventress ever combine her sabers in TCW?
I don't remember.

>>78369416
The Sith are like a religion. They have their own unique beliefs and even their own language.

>>78369416
When has a dark Jedi used force lightning?
Also, Sith isn't just fightan magic and dark side; it's also lore and philosophy and mentality.

>>78369416
If you call them "inquisitors" you don't have to pay FICA or give them health insurance.

>>78369447
it's heavily implied that it was kylo

>>78369405
I watched The Clone Wars movie recently and I don't really see why everyone hates it so much. It was decent.

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>>78369454
BB really was kinda cute

>>78369460
topkek

>>78369447
>The Jedi that betrayed Luke wasn't Kylo Ren but instead was Rey's brother.

So... Kylo Ren?

>>78369482
When?

>>78369416
Is that count dukus apprentice?

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>>78369371

>>78369465
Briefly in the movie, yes.

>>78369476

Kyle Katarn did, and supposedly Grey jedi could.

>>78369500
By Han when he talks about the boy who fell to the dark side and in Rey's Vision when you see Kylo with the knights of Ren surrounded by dead Jedi

>>78369500
The movie.
The guide book.
>>78369532
Those weren't the Jedi.

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>they're still sperging

>>78369476
Ventress was a dark jedi.

>>78369547
The mad is strong in this one.

>>78369416
Sith Inquisitors do not know advanced force techniques like Force Lightning or Sith Alchemy. They aren't told any Sith secrets

They are only taught the basics of lightsaber combat. They have to use their spin sabers to even gain the upper hand at all against most force users.

Compare any of the 3 inquisitors to Darth Vader, Darth Maul, Darth Sidious, Darth Tyrannus. There's a clear gap in skill.

Also, what >>78369473 said

>>78369485
I doubt that most people actually "hate" it. Most just dislike some of the childish things about it.

>>78369528
Neither Kyle nor the term "Grey Jedi" are canon.

>>78369546
proof?

>>78369546
Can you like, site any quotes out anything?

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Does anyone else feel like they're just going to go back to the EU being their headcanon? I just have a feeling that once all the mystery of the new trilogy goes away and we are stuck with 'oh I guess Luke fucked up, Han and Leia fucked up, the Rebels fucked up, everyone fucked up, the OT was kind of pointless because none of the goals the characters had were met' along with one of those movies being a rehash of ANH and another being made by the guy who made the new Jurassic Park the EU (minus the Vong) will look much better. Plus something about the new canon just doesn't feel legitimate to me. The EU felt legitimate because when you had magazines say 'Did you know' sections about Star Wars characters it all said shit about the EU. I just can't imagine a 'Did you know' mentioning things from the new canon. Plus nobody is even reading the new canon shit (at least not as many people as there was for the EU), the new games are all shit (and made by EA for TEN YEARS), and we're going to get a movie every single year (meaning Star Wars will die soon since everyone will be tired to death of it similar to the Marvel movies after they do Infinity Gauntlet, also with already terrible choices being made like an Han Solo movie made by the guys who made Lego Movie and 21 Jump Street).

I really want to like the new canon but I feel like in the long run I'll just see myself picking and choosing good things from the EU as my headcanon.

So the whole Darth Maul thing from the Clone Wars cartoon is never going to be resolved?

>>78369485
It's even weaker than the worse episodes of season 1. It must have been embarrassing for Filoni and crew when Lucas declared it would get a theatrical release.

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Better First Order Theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uKU_Z05vPQ

Agree/Disagree?

I know using the Imperial March wouldn't work.

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>>78369482

>>78369547
>'Yeah I liked the new movie but I think a KOTOR movie would be better.'
>'HOLY SHIT WE GOT A MAD EU FAG OVER HERE! LOOK GUYS HIS PRECIOUS CANON WAS TOTALLY RETCONED XDXDXD!!!'

>>78369610
Right now the closest thing we've got is the Son of Dathomir comic.

Eventually, I think we'll get a TCW comic to resolve any loose ends.

>>78369578

I know, just answering the question.
I also wouldn't be surprised if they did work them back in, Kyle through Rebels or grey jedi through the new trilogy.

>>78369547
While I agree that KOTOR was a better ANH rehash than TFA, holy buttmad Batman.

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>>78369635
Look closer.

>>78369624
I'd love to see this in a movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRyNLNf9BMA

>>78369578
>"Grey Jedi" are canon.
this makes me sad

>>78369547
Has anyone checked Polish Mandofag's deviantart page for new hatemongering yet?

>>78369624
That would be a better theme for the Republic pre-Empire, I think. Like you can picture clones marching to it and it has this real air of excitement and glory, but of course the Imperial March motif is hiding within the chords, ready to emerge.

>>78369602
It's weird but I feel the same way you do, only the exact opposite. To me nothing besides what it's specifically declared Canon feels real, I can't get it out of my head that legends is just one big "what if".

To be fair though I got into star wars pretty late.

>>78369578
>>78369692
whoops miss the non canon part. Sad that they are not canon anymore

>>78369485
The big issue is Babby Hutt

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For all their talk of peace and order, both the Republic and the Empire were pretty bad at combating and reducing crime in the galaxy.

>>78369547
>It requires original thinking to adapt books that have been around for 20 years.

I am just confused why there is a small rebel group fighting the first order with some republic support and not the full force of the Republic military fighting the first order. It's not like the Republic is backing a group in a civil war. The first order explicitly wants to destroy the republic, so I don't get why they contract it out to someone else

>>78369723
That's probably the point. If the underlying problems of society aren't going to change, than a corrupt Facist State is no better or worse than a corrupt Democratic Republic.

>>78369723
The Bounty Hunter's Guild was sanctioned by the Empire. The Hutt Cartel was only allowed to continue to exist by tithing from their profits into Imperial coffers.

I hope some of the rebels guys have a shot at writing episode VIII...

It's kinda sad, seeing how much more they care than J.J. who always purported themselves as a star wars fan.

>>78369653
Kyle has basically been retooled into Kanan, with some changes.

Grey Jedi are "Canon" but they're not being stupid about it and just slapping "jedi" onto anything that isn't a specific faction.

Ahsoka is a non-affiliated light side force user who wields lightsabers.

>>78369692
>>78369720
The term isn't canon. Grey Jedi are still canon(Ahsoka) they're just not being stupid about it and slapping the term "Jedi" onto any force user without a specific faction.

>>78369371
>>78369511
This guy felt much more justified in calling Finn a traitor than Darth Ben was.

>>78369416
Sith are fully committed to what is basically a religion and apparently this does give them a stronger connection to the dark side.

Acolytes/inquisitors can do stuff I think its just that sith do it better, they're stronger.

>>78369723
That's because instead of dealing with a city they had to deal with entire solar systems. You know how you can go around a big town like Detroit or New York and see people shooting up heroin on the street corner but nobody does anything because it's unfeasible for cops to deal with all the druggies in the city? Imagine what would happen if instead of New York they had to deal with a galaxy. You would see entire continents on planets owned by gangs.

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>>78369754
>Filoni literally George's Padawan
>Not able to direct a live action movie.

Kathleen has been plotting against him for years, but soon he will have his revenge.

>>78369740
Because the Republic "demilitarized". For them to reveal massive military might after a decade plus of being scornful of a Republic military would require massive diplomatic pull to convince the member worlds to donate troops to the fighting, which they're under no legal obligation to provide and would probably be poo-pooed by the public for having provided and be political suicide for Senator X.

>>78369709
Here it is if anyone feels like checking

http://araxussyexyr.deviantart.com/

.....Oh god he has a YouTube too

https://www.youtube.com/user/AraxussYexyr

>>78369754
Apparently the big wigs were helping Abbrams out, but I feel.he would just ignore them honestly to do what he likes.

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Is the Book of the Sith still canon?

>>78369806

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loPsBGsWqSM

......

>>78369794
>literally George's Padawan
Oh shit dog he really is.

Revenge of the Lucasfilm when?

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>>78369794

>>78369740
Well, as of aftermath much like the previous EU, theres dozens if not hundreds of governors, generals, admirals and moffs out there with their own little tithes.

The Republic only had a small fraction of the galaxy, and had to start fighting a major

Ultimately, it's pretty likely the republic either didn't have enough resources, their fleets were off dealing with other remnants or other political issues were holding them back. Like the fleet having to primary act as a defensive force while small strike forces such as the 'resistance' operate surgical strikes against the empire.

>>78369602
But the post-Jedi EU was just as fucked, if not more then what we're getting in the Canon.

Luke's wife is dead and his attempt at bringing the order back ends up flopping, though on a slower scale. Han and Leia had one son die and another go dark side. Chewbacca was killed by a moon. The galaxy gets anally raped by rejected 40K villains and a new edgier band of Sith Lords.

And really, the new generation doesn't really get to fully step to the plate because the old trio has to solve everyone's problems well past the period when they qualify for the senior rate at Dex's Diner.

How old are Rey Finn and Poe?

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>>78369826

>>78369826
No, none of those books are.

>>78369600

Watch the movie again, Han states it aloud pretty clearly.

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>>78369831
>mfw

>>78369896
19

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>>78369547
>turning the EU into film would actually require them to have an original thought

>turning books and stories that already exist into movie
>original thought

>>78369826

I own that.

And I can't believe how expensive it's gotten.

>>78369932
I don't remember. Exactly what did he say?

>>78369864
And weren't they last left with some kind of disease or parasite that targets force sensitive people?

>>78369310
this is always a bit thats made fun of but i always thought it was super cool in the context of the fight

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Here the second on of those collector Poster AMC is giving out at imax screenings

>>78369348
>I see you dream at night of an island surrounded by an ocean.
This part is bigger than most people have been crediting it for, no one knew where Luke was, yet Rey had in her memories the place, it's clear that she was there with Luke, and given her ability with the Force, she was being trained, yet for some reason Luke decided to stop her training and drop her on Jakku

>>78370053
I have 1 of 4, it's Rey on Jakku with crashed old ships and shit

>>78369988

I don't have a transcription. He says, to the affect, "that Luke was a teaching a new generation of Jedi, and then one of his students went bad and ruined the whole thing."

That path of least resistance as to why Solo is vague is of course because he's referring to Kylo Ren.

Late he in refers to Snoke explicitly as the cause of Kylo's confusion.

This isn't rocket science.

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>>78369806
He drew a pic of Rey.

Don't know what it means.

>>78369717
You sound like the kind of person I would never want to talk to.

>>78370054

Or he was seeing into the future.

>>78369405
Did you manage to add those tracks you couldn't upload?

>>78369310
What would have happened if Kenobi had killed Anakin?

>>78369578
Shut the fuck up SoundtrackShitposter.

>>78370173
Yep they're all there.

>>78370174
The Emperor would likely still be alive, have a new Puppet and have taken down the rebellion.

>>78370129
He was probing her mind, i find it hard to think that he was seeing into the future, or JJ is taking a page from the old EU and have Ren incapable of seeing into the future and having to use others to do it (I think it was Tenebrous or Plagueis that had this problem)

>Tfw just came back from this movie
The ending is really really flaccid

>>78370174
>What would have happened if Kenobi had killed Anakin?

Denied Darth Vader the Emperor would have raised a new inferior apprentice, Kenobi might have had the fortitude to continue the fight against the rising empire, maybe things wouldn't gone quite so bad for so long.

>>78369920

Wait, two of the most well known Mandalorians... are not Mandalorians?

So think we'll see more Knights of Ren?

From the flashback, it looked like Kylo was leading a group of about a dozen, who were probably his darth vader fanboy club.

If R2D2 was a shitposter he would swear like a 12 year old with Tourettes and always have that "I'm John" and "Navy SEALS" copypasta ready to deploy at moments notice.

>>78369864

This. It's really strange how people complain that the new canon is too bleak when New Jedi Order started shitting on everything to ridiculous levels, ruined or wasted characters and topped it all with everyone's efforts being worthless because we gotta have the sith come back and win in the end according to Legacy.

I rather have a fresh start on the chance it won't go that grimderp again, and will just enjoy my favorite EU books as Infinites.

>>78370287
They were never mandalorians until the EU made them into mandalorians.

They were designed and created with the idea that they wore the armor of a feared warrior race, but were not members of it themselves.

The word "mandalorian" was never spoken on-screen until TCW.

>>78370174
He'd have done hit and runs on whoever Sheev tried to use to replace him, and given Luke to Yoda

>>78370267
You're not wrong.

>>78370300
Maybe. They really didn't show at all during the rest of the film before or after the flashback.
Maybe they disbanded and Ren had a temper tantrum and killed them all

>Episode VIII: Wrath of the First Order.
>Episode IX: Ressurgence of the Light.
>Episode X: The Spectral Enemy.
>Episode XI: Invasion of the Duplicates.
>Episode XII: Revanche of the Knights.

>>78370315
If C3-PO was a shitposter he'd be an insufferable tripfag who thinks 4chan is his personal blog.

>>78370332
That's not true though.

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>>78370358
Episode IX: Yuuzvhan Vong

>>78370343
Could've at least made him say something

>>78370379
What exactly isn't true about it?

>>78369754
Fuck no, that would be awful. TFA is actually good, Rebels is practically unwatchable most of the time.

>>78370398
Well hello there.

>>78370358
>>Episode VIII: Wrath of the First Order
>Yfw clone army

>>78369977
I own the Jedi one. They were never cheap to begin with, so I'm not surprised they've become a collector's item.

>>78370421
Hey, it's something

>>78370332
Thats just the headcanon of the /swr/ autistic who cry NOT CANON at everything.

>>78370361
So Jim Profit was C3-PO all along?
Explains why he never took the fucking hint

>>78370053
>tfw no AMC theater
I'm going to be so sad if there's a Kylo Ren one

Whats the difference between the (OT) special edition soundtracks and the regular ones?

Whooo wants to have a 400+ post discussion about the merits or lack thereof of the Prequel trilogy? Anon, I'm looking at you~

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>>78370476
>Tfw have an AMC theater
>Went to the Plex because half off on tickets
>Mfw I didn't know AMC was giving out posters
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

>>78370506
shut up

Where is this concept art that showed Finn was originally supposed to be a white dude?

>>78370332
Stop responding to bait, nigger

>>78370053

Kinda bummed I went to the marathon at my AMC and they didn't give us shit but a lanyard and a pin.

>>78369511
"Assuming direct control."
-Snoke

>>78370479
the special edition ones were remastered

>>78369826
I still have this, and I will be buried with it.

>>78370555
POETRY

>>78370555
Who is that edgy as fuck Wookiee?

>>78370555
Well now.

All mandos need a wookie sidekick.

>>78370514
Who cares? Boyega puts in the best performance in the movie.

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>>78370555
POETRY
O
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T
R
Y

>>78370558
And the difference between the prequel albums?

>>78370631
>mando

ha.

>>78370657
It's happening Soundtrackfag

Get your anus ready for it.

Anyone will see the movie for a second time? I plan on seeing it tomorrow since the first time my friends fucked my opinion of the movie. Never again.

>>78370657
shit, you are insufferable

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>Rey, did I ever tell you about the Speed Force? It's an extradiomensional energy field connected to all living things, that a select few can harness, providing them with extraordinary powers. It has a light side and a dark side, and those that can tap into the negative form of it use it to wreak havoc and destruction, while those that wield its true power vowed to uphold law and order whenever they went.

>>78370555
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjjMH_PdCvI

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>>78370657
>shitposting tripfags

I thought this was the best place for Star Wars discussion.

>>78370657
Can you stop being a fucking idiot for once?

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>>78370506
Boy do I have a treat for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yzTSuOkZeE

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Will Finn and Phasma have another showdown?

>>78370688
I saw it last night for the second time. But I sneaked into the film immediately after seeing The Martian so Disney didn't get my money twice.

It's the opposite for me, it only confirmed the issues I had with it previously. But this time I was able to listen to the music a bit better, along with hearing the different voices during the Rey's Force Vision.

Rey's theme remains the only good motif.

>>78370657
I don't know where this "Jango Fett and Boba Fett aren't Mandolorian" meme came from, but it isn't true and I think I speak for most of us when I say that I'm tired of you shitting up these threads with your autism over it.

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>>78370688
You're literally feeding the beast.

>>78370767
It came from a line in the Clone Wars, where the guy on Mandalore said that Jango was no Mandalorian, because Mandalorians are peaceful and he has NO idea where he could have gotten that armor.

Yes, people in these threads are THAT stupid.

>>78369896
Rey: 19
Finn: 23
Poe: 32

>>78369826
Aw shit my friend just got the basic Imperial Handbook for me for Christmas but that delux edition looks awesome. They still doin em?

I'm confused. Who woke up first after the crash on Jakku, Poe, or Finn. And what exactly happened to him?

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>>78370749
Hopefully something that'll utililze Gwen's training fully.

Like the Sandor vs. Brienne fight.

ALSO SHUT THE FUCK UP SOUNDTRACKFAG

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any got a download for the The Art of Star Wars: The Force Awakens?

>>78370514
He wasn't Finn, he was "Sam". Just like Rey was "Kira" and Poe Dameron was "John Doe" and a black guy.

>>78370763
Kylo Ren's motif is god tier, and just as good as the Imperial March.
>>78370688
I'm planning to see it a third time this weekend. Second time was just as good and I was able to notice a lot more little things.

>>78370768
What can i say? I have only seen 8 movies this year and my favourite was John Wick, this one is in second place. Besides is the first Star Wars movie except for Ep III that i don't want to sleep in.

>>78370804
Poe woke up further away from the TIE. iirc

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>>78370792
>because Mandalorians are peaceful

AYYYYYY

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>>78370657
>>78370767
>>78370729
>>78370724
>>78370706
>>78370687

>>78370816
They really over-hyped Phasma

>>78370763
You didn't liked it?

>>78370555
To be fair they aren't partners and don't work together not even on the same mission, they simply shared a single panel together

>>78370847
Did you see Mad Max?

>>78370637
Ultimate Edition for TPM contains more tracks and is meant to sound more like they are in the film.

The AotC Complete Score is just that. Might be missing a track or too. I don't know if it's official or fan compiled.

RotS Extended Edition soundtrack is probably fan-compiled too.

>>78370897
Heard a lot of good stuff about it and a female kicking ass is always refreshing in some way but i didn't had the time.

How many times have you seen TFA and what rating on a scale of 1 to 10 would you give it?

Today was my second viewing, I'm thinking a 7 or an 8.

>>78370881
I have issues with the pacing of the movie, and the use of music in the film (not the quality or ability of John Williams).

And Rey being able to not only resist Kylo, but enter his mind, along with the Jedi Mind Trick when she didn't know the Jedi were real five minutes ago.

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>>78370869
She's probably gonna get some better scenes in Episodes 8 and 9.

Till then, she's the new Boba.

>yfw its revealed that she's a Mando

>>78370937
Will watched it a second time but right know a give it 6/10 maybe it will change later but for now this movie has made me a fan of this franchise.

>>78370937
Twice. 9.5/10.

>>78370919
Ah, I see. But you can confirm the OT ones are official?

>>78370959
My explanation is that the lightsaber unlocked hidden memories and knowledge of the Force within her. Note that she doesn't start doing Force shit until after the lightsaber sequence.

I could be wrong, but that's how I interpreted it. She likely has repressed training or genetic Force abilities that emerged from that moment,

>>78370749
>showdown
More like a humpoff.

>>78370937
Well I just saw it earlier. Tempted to see it again later this week
I'd say a solid 8.5 off of first impressions

>>78370923
You really missed out seeing it on the biggest screen you can find, but you still have to watch it.

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>>78370937
A 5 OUT OF 5

DON QUIXOTE AT THE END OF THE WORLD

>>78369896
Poe is at least 30 since his parents mention him in Shattered Empire. Finn and Rey are probably 19-23

>>78370959
Yeah that pissed me off a little but by that time she already touched the lightsaber which trigger her memories so maybe that helped. And she is most likely the daughter of Luke, she is too powerful to not be seriously.

>>78370959

She's the chosen one, anon. Luke's sword chose her, unlocking her latent magic powers and allowing her to overpower the new black wizard knight.

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>>78370963
Of course she is. Mandos would have conquered the galaxy if not for Revan.

Obviously the most bad asses are Mandos.

>>78370963
>That Phasbutt
H-Hail the First Order
I hope they didn't kill her off. It's implied, but come on, don't just do Boba Fett 2: Electric Boogaloo

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>>78370738
>this guy's voice
>this guy's opinions
>this guy's logic
I can't do this

>>78370937
Only seen it once. Going to put on the camrip while wrapping christmas presents tomorrow.

Right now its sitting at a 9/10. There were a bunch of scenes that made me tear up, nostalgia mostly. Star Wars has always been a big thing in my family's life, being able to see another new one on the big screen hit me hard, so my 9 is extremely biased.

We'll see where it sits after another viewing.

>>78370993
Yep, they're the special edition re-issues from when the Special Editions were released. The Ultimate Edition for TPM is official.

The AotC and RotS ones are probably some fan compilations

>>78369896
Poe is 25-30, Luke helps his parents in Shattered Empire so he's no older than 30.
Rey is probably 20ish, same with Finn.
Kylo is probably 3-5 years older than Rey.

>>78371054
They didn't killed her obviously and that is a good thing sure but its retarded for Finn and the others cause she will kick their asses later.

>>78371093
Pretty sure Rey is supposed to be 19

>>78371093
Don't we literally see Poe's conception in the comics?

>>78371093
>Poe is 25-30, Luke helps his parents in Shattered Empire so he's no older than 30.

Poe was already born during Shattered Empire, so he was at least 30, probably a couple years older.

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>>78369794
Soon

>>78370937
Once but I want to see it again
It sits at about an 8, it's so far having the positive effect of the more I think about it the more I like it. I want to see it again to reaffirm if I really did hate Finn as much as I did or if I was being too hard on him for being the funny character. I know I'll always hate that throw away joke that he was a janitor; it added nothing and dropped like a wet turd

>>78371057
In my time here i have notice that fans always put Return of the jedi in the last place of the trilogy, its because of the Ewoks being cute? Because if it is then thats super retarded. Muh serious movies

>>78371105
>Yfw Punished Phasma

>>78371038
>>78370999
>she already touched the lightsaber which trigger her memories so maybe that helped
>the lightsaber unlocked hidden memories
We don't know that yet.

>>78371045
I know we can hand wave it with space magic and destiny, but it's still. It's the mind trick most of all. How would she know how to do that? But I realize the more I ask these questions the more I won't get an answer that makes sense, and that it will have to be enough.

>>78371161
It's because the movie drags a fair bit during the forest sequence, plus a lot of characters don't really need to be where they are.

>>78371170

The mind trick is easy, the jedi mind trick is simply you ravaging a weaker mind and bending it to your will, as Satan does.

I'm still not sure why mind tricks are a neutral/light side power. It seems inherently evil.

>>78371161
It's because the Ewoks turn the movie into a saturday morning cartoon with mistaken identity shenanigans and slapstick antics against the Empire.

>>78371161
Leia twist is pointless
Han and Leia are given a throw away plot so they get to do something
Wasted carbon frozen Han by saving him in the intro and it having no affect on the overarching plot as such
Reused the Deathstar plot

>>78371161
I watched it again last night.

The Ewoks really weigh the movie down, dude. The Jabba's Palace scene is excellent, the speeder bike chase is riveting, but as soon as Leia meets Wicket, the movie grinds to a halt. Everything has to be put on hold so we can see these teddy bears and their pointless worshipping of C-3PO and capture of everyone, which goes nowhere. The Emperor/Vader/Luke scenes are top notch and the attack on the Death Star is fun but everything on Endor aside from the speeder bike chase makes me want to fast forward.

>two parter about R2D2 getting lost
>fucking Jar Jar impersonating a Jedi

TCW is pretty good so far but some of the filler is insufferable.

>>78371093
>>78371130
Poe is 32. TAFVD confirms this.

>>78371119
Did you even read the words of the comic? Poe gets mentioned, implying that he is already alive.

>>78371170
Well it was Luke's and Anakin ligthtsaber . so it must have ton of force magic. Still i woulLulike Rey to be a Skywalker so it makes more sense.

>>78371093
Rey is 19 and Finn is 23 at the youngest.

>>78371161
I personally rank it 2nd after ESB (although I think TFA might surpass it for me now). The only thing that I think is wrong with it is the Jabba part lasts too long and it's not that interesting to me. But all the Battle of Endor and Throne Room stuff is actually some of the best parts of the entire saga.

>>78369348
>Start of the movie when she asked BB8 where it was from and it tells her it is classified she replies with.
>"Classified huh? Same for me it's a big secret
I don't know WHY this part does not get speculated on more

>>78371243
And crushing people under rocks is good. But shocking is evilllll

>>78371315
>all the Battle of Endor
>actually some of the best parts of the entire saga

When you say Battle of Endor you mean just the attack on the 2nd Death Star, right?

>>78371170
With all of those overwhelming visions and memories the lightsaber gave her, is it really a stretch to say that unlocked hidden knowledge of the Force? She heard the voices of Obi-Wan and Yoda, whom she didn't even know before, so it's really not hard to think she learned a lot about the Force in that one instance.

>>78371250
Also Chewbacca does even less than usual

>>78371328

It's okay to use the force to knacker someone, as long as you're not angry about it

Apparently

>>78371349
Well personally, I rather liked the Ewok log traps

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>>78371363
That's just silly, but whatever.

>>78369602
Chewie is dead in the old canon so you can suck it

>>78371355
I think the most important thing Chewbacca did in Jedi was triggering the Ewok trap.

>>78371250
I doubt anyone here is old enough to have seen Return of the Jedi when it was new while also being old enough to analyze it critically back then, but I really am curious as to what people thought of it compared to all the hype that led up to it at the time. Was it unanimously considered a disappointment? Now, the younger generations grew up watching all three at once so we don't really have any experience with the hype for it.

>>78371398
He fought a planet again this time AND WON

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So what was the deal with the Yuzzums? Were they Imperial loyalists? Why didn't the Rebels enlist their help in the Battle of Endor? They're clearly more advanced than the Ewoks. They've got guns. And singing careers.

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>>78371375
Jesus christ. I know '>opinions' but god damn. And people wonder why everyone calls this thread the shittiest Star Wars thread on 4chan. Because we have people who's favorite part of Star Wars is the Ewoks.

>>78370300
>So think we'll see more Knights of Ren?
We fucking better. They were the thing I was most looking forward to in the movie

>>78371458
>favorite part

Nice projection.

>>78371458
/tv/ and /pol/ have the shittiest SW threads anon.

To be far, this was a kids movie.

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>>78371458
We've even got people who think TFA was a well crafted story with developed characters. Fucking disgusting.

>>78371349
I mean the entire thing, from the minute they get to Endor to the end credits. For a long time it was actually my favorite Star Wars movie, better than ESB, and I would still say that if I didn't love Hoth and the Bespin duel so much.

>>78370688
I have two more friends I have to see it with so it'll be four times by Sunday

>>78371480
>But all the Battle of Endor and Throne Room stuff is actually some of the best parts of the entire saga.
Also that's not how a projection works.

>>78371458
Interesting how people aren't brainwashed by the "universal" hate of Prequels and Ewoks, right?

>>78371441
They weren't marketable enough so they got the boot along with Gary Kurtz

>>78371375
Sorry man, but that shit almost ruins the movie for me.

We spend three movies building up to a final confrontation with this big, scary threat, and how is it resolved? Fucking teddy bears using logs, rocks and rope.

>>78370937
8/10 seems fair

>>78371519
Different anon.

That said, as a whole it's my favourite, despite the flaws present.

>>78371521
>lots of people have an opinion
>that must mean they're brainwashed and it isn't a legitimate opinion.
You can say that about everything.
>Interesting how people aren't brainwashed by the "universal" hate of eating dog turds, right?

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I don't care what all of you say, I loved Rey. Sure, she was a bit overpowered, but I was never distracted by it. She was still super cute, badass, and fun to watch. I can't wait to see more of her.

If anyone even thinks for an instant that Anakin in Attack of the Clones was a better protagonist, then you really need to rethink your priorities.

>>78371274
>TCW is pretty good so far but some of the filler is insufferable.
As a show, only like 60% of TCW is good.

Fortunately most of that is from Season 3+

>>78369610
Hopefully Vader will be sent to kill him and we can re canonize the pottery of the non canon comic where Vader kills a Maul clone.

>Maul: How? What could you hate enough to destroy me?

>Vader: Myself

P O T T E R Y
O
T
T
E
R
Y

Hope>Empire>TFA>Jedi>Sith>Phantom>Clone

Sucks that Luke failed to restart the Jedi order. He was the new hope of the Jedi and he failed and essentially everything reverted to the place it was at the beginning of A New Hope.

I don't know if I like this.

>>78371375
I'm praying to god the FO don't get beaten by something this stupid again

>>78371523
In their defense they were in their habitat so it makes sense the stormtrooper got crush plus there wasn't alot of them.

>>78371565
>implying Blue 3 wasn't way cuter

>>78371458
>nd people wonder why everyone calls this thread the shittiest Star Wars thread on 4chan.
Have you not seen /tv/?

I actually like being here

>>78371585
Have you read any of the EU where it's actually worse than TFA?

>>78371523
You are aware you're watching a kid's movie, right?

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>>78371565

>>78371585
THE LAST JEDI IS IN CAPTIVITY
THE GALAXY IS AT PEACE

>>78371594
But that really isn't cool at all. We spent 2 movies believing that the empire was this large unstoppable force ruling the galaxy for over a decade and nothing can stop them and they all get taken down because of Ewoks. Like you'd think that log traps and shit would have been thought of years ago on some other planet

>>78371594
I actually like the idea of a deceptively cute looking tribe of savages crushing the Empire with guerrilla tactics, but it was executed a bit too cartoonishly for my taste.

>>78371586
Episode 9 will end with a coalition army of Ewoks, Jawas, Yoda's species, Maz Kanata's species, and E.T.'s led by Grand Admiral Meebur Gascon destroying the First Order.

>>78371585
Failure is a Skywalker tradition but yeah not everything happens perfectly i would have run away too if i had become my nephew a dark side pawn

>>78371628
You are aware ROTJ was coming off of TESB which is also a kids movie but didn't have stupid things like that right?

Every time I rewatch ROTJ, I can't deny how much Ewoks were a goddamn mistake. They completely kill the good pacing the movie has up to that point

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>>78371521
Fucking this. At least, if you don't polarize your wording too much, you talk about all the movies here.
Not right now of course, TFA has brought in a shit ton of people, whether former browsers, newfags, or just new opinions in long-time browsers to argue about.
Hopefully This Is Madness will shake us out of it in a month or so when it starts.
>mfw hype for Script Wars round 2

>>78371523

Well the Death Star blew up as well, and we had Vader vs Luke, it's not like Wicket killed the Emperor or something

https://youtu.be/-itVa17ps40?t=1m28s

>>78371621
>Have you read any of the EU where it's actually worse than TFA?

I don't know too much about it beyond the generals of the Yuuzhan Vong War and the Legacy series where Jacen Solo turns to the dark side.

Tell me more about it and why it is actually worse. I thought Luke at least succeeded to restart the Jedi order.

>>78371665
And Gungans

>>78369547
this reminds me of one EU group on moddb that was nothing more than a "we hate filoni" group

>>78371628
Fuck off with that excuse. The stormtroopers jobbing to the fucking Ewoks was terrible. Just because it's a "kid's movie" doesn't mean it should get a pass for dumb shit, especially when it completely clashes with the tone set by the previous two movies.

What's next, defending Jar Jar?

So in TFA the reason why the Resistance didn't just evacuate their base before the First Order could shoot was why? They didn't have the Republic fleet to support them, sure, but did that mean they actually needed to call up the Hosnian System on the space phone and order a bus? Like the Resistance doesn't bother to maintain it's own transport ships?

The whole concept of needing the Republic fleet was kind of stupid. As a deterrent, sure, a threat to keep the First Order from directly attacking the Republic but surely the Resistance would maintain it's own ships. Basically like how Bail Organa was supplying Phoenix Squadron with blockade runners. You don't use your own ships because then you get in trouble, so you supply the rebellion/resistance with ships and claim you don't know how they got them. Plausible deniability and all that. The first time the Republic used it's fleet to directly support the Resistance surely they'd be in a big ass war with the First Order, which seemed to be something both sides were avoiding (at least the First Order was delaying until their super weapon was complete).

The thing is a better excuse would be if the Resistance Base was in a populated solar system that they couldn't evacuate. In the old days of thirty years ago the Rebellion used uninhabited worlds but now the First Order can wipe out entire systems, so the Resistance was in a "we stop the First Order or we die trying" mindset.

>>78371711
Too tall, wouldn't fit in the ships

>>78371653

The entire empire didn't get taken down by ewoks anon, stop exaggerating like they flew on logs into space to hit Sheeve with a rock.

TFA worked a lot because it didn't feel the need to add any random species to appeal to kids for no reason. They didn't need forced shit like Ewoks or Jar Jar or whatever, they already knew it was Star Wars and that would appeal to kids already

Also BB-8 but that's obvious.

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Empire Strikes Back > A New Hope > Return of the Jedi = The Force Awakens > Revenge of the Sith > Attack of the Clones = Phantom Menace

>>78371375
Aftermath was a pain in the ass to read and I didn't even bother finishing it, but one of the few parts I enjoyed was the description of Ewoks dragging screaming Stormtroopers into the brush - never to be seen again.

Hungry little bastards.

>>78371677
I hate how this basically negates everything the characters fought for in the OT.

It sounds funny to say this, but when you think about it, this movie runs the OT worse than the PT ever did.

>>78371710

He did, but there was all sorts of bullshit. Hethrir and his boys Desann and Galak fucking shit up, the Yuuzhan Vong fucking shit up, the witches fucking shit up, Anakin getting killed, Jacen and Tahiri just ruining everything, and so on

>>78369547
>switched sides at the first sign of him not liking his job
Yeah, the minor gripe of killing unarmed civilians. Why can't he just suck it up and do his damn job?

>>78371770
>I hate how this basically negates everything the characters fought for in the OT.
It's okay, the EU already did that

>>78371653
Since when does a handful of Stormtroopers on Endor's forest moon = the entire Empire?

>>78371724
>jobbing

There's that word again, you don't know what it means.

When did /co/ think they become such wrestling experts?

>>78371657
Give thanks that it didn't had cheesy music to accompany the battle

>>78371789
>this is shit
>yeah but this other thing is also shit so it's ok that it's shitty!

>>78369439
Why? The main story is about the damn Skywalker family. It would make zero sense for her not to be and I would be incredibly disappointed if she isn't.

>>78371710

He did for a short time, then the sith took over again in a series called Legacy. New Republic and Jedi Order hardly lasted a century.

And yuzan vong and jacen arc were shit.

>>78369547
>Completely rehashing the mountains of shitty old books
>would require original thought


kek.

>>78371825
My point is, there was no way the galaxy was going to be at peace forever, no matter what continuity it is in.

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What did you think TFA was going to be about 2 years ago?

>>78371707
>3:00

>Darth Vader can't even catch an Ewok

>>78371825

I'd rather have this over EU's endgame any day.

>>78371877
About Luke's hand

>>78371877
About building the new republic and seeing some new threat emerge.

>>78371877
I had no idea, but like that fake poster, I thought Max von Sydow was going to have a major role, likely as a villain. I sure as shit wasn't expecting him to be some random villager that got iced in the first five minutes.

Why even bother getting such an esteemed actor for a role like that?

>>78371779
Well but at least a new generation of Jedi existed to protect the galaxy ;_;

>>78371724
The only Stormtroopers that were shown to be of any use in the OT were the ones that acted with Vader around them, minus Cloud City. The majority of them have been incompetent since looking for R2 and Threepio on Tatooine.

>>78371877
Some Neo-Empire thing like Zeon in Gundam

>>78371565
I like to think of Obi-Wan as the protagonist when I watch Attack of the Clones.

>>78371877
I didn't bother guessing what the plot would be once I heard of the Legends wipe.

>>78371734
Ah, actually Yavin is a good example. On the one hand they apparently used their base as bait to draw the Death Star in for their slim chance of taking out the Death Star with their fighters. In the comics, however, the also had to call in ships from the various other Rebel cells to evacuate.

>>78371877
I expected Max Von Sydow to be the big villain. And for it to be about Luke's Jedi academy.

>>78371956
Attack of the Clones is a structural mess that essentially has two completely separate plots for most of the movie. The Obi-Wan detective scenes are cool but they kept cutting away every few minutes to show us more Anakin/Padme bullshit - watch it again and you will see how jarring the constant shift in perspective is. Why didn't George have Anakin and Padme come along on Obi-Wan's adventures so the story was always on the same track? That way you could potentially get some actual, natural bonding between Anakin and Padme rather than awkward leering and stilted "I don't like sand" shit.

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So, did anybody get a good look at the ships orbiting Hosnian? They kinda looked like Star Destroyers.

>>78371933
>>78371933

He probably figures into some flashbacks about the temple. Or he's secretly the light side opposite of Snoke

>>78372062

Nah he's probably just an Alderaan survivor

>>78372051
Didn't really get a good enough look at them, did we?

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A BITCH?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWEO1TfIKnw

>>78371734

>evacuate the entire base in 15 minutes

>>78372088
>Alderaan survivor
>survivor

What, did he just take the last shuttle or something?

>>78372022
For presumably the same reason ESB has two plotlines that converge at the end. Just because it wasn't executed well doesn't make it a bad idea.

>>78372022
AOTC is great when it's solely following Kenobi. Everything else is just ugh. And then when his plot and Anakins merge on Geonosis it just gets worse.

Come to think of it, that could sum up the prequels in general.

>>78372101
DOES SHE LOOK LIKE A BITCH?

>>78372101
>/tv/ users

>>78372106

No he was probably just off-planet at the time and thus escaped the Space Shoah

His "muh Princess" line regarding Leia pretty much cements it, only Alderaanfags and their royalty boner would bother with that

>>78372106
In a galaxy where interplanetary travel is a common thing, do you really expect all the Alderaanians to have died on the planet?

>>78372106
Hopped in his blast-proof shelter and, when the planet exploded, drifted through space

>>78372119
That reminds me of the gif where Alderaan shot first, and the Death Star blew it up. Does anyone have that?

>>78372101

Honestly didn't know people gave a shit that Phasma was a girl

>>78372088

Well Luke trusted him over his sister with his location, that's mighty suspicious.

So we're all aware that ever single line Kylo Ren said had a double meaning and that he's actually working for the light, right? Cause after watching it for the third time it's almost painful obvious with everything he does and says.

PS. Holy shit Adam Driver is such a good actor.

>>78372144
Whoops, meant for >>78372106.

>>78370101
He's gonna cum on it then burn it.

>>78372141
>>78372137

Well, yeah, but usually a 'survivor' is someone who was at the disaster. Rather than away, it's like saying someone who didn't go on the Titanic was a survivor.

>>78372152

No he was looking for Luuke too, Kylo Ben says "I know you found the map fag" implying that he wasn't entrusted with it, rather that he found it

>>78372159
He was good but stop over analysing

>>78372159
I don't know how I'll show you the power of the darkness can be misconstrued

The double meaning was his lines to Han though. In that they were supposed to sound conflicted about wanting to go back to the light but he was really talking about "please help me, I want to be evil more"

>>78372106

There were several survivors in EU. Winter, Tycho, Coran...some were off planet, some in the Empire before defecting.

>>78372188
>Luuke
Wait clone Luke is in this too?

>>78372105
Once they knew about the First Order weapon they should have been prepared to leave. Remember that it was the First Order back tracking their own recon that alerted the First Order of their location. So yeah they should have been prepared to run or they were just really really stupid.

Having never read the EU stuff, finding out 'Luuke' isn't some typo blew my mind.

So who was the old man with the final map piece at the beginning?

Was BB-8 female?

Why did R2D2 wake up only when he did?

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>>78372217
>The double meaning was his lines to Han though.

>mfw watching for a second time and realizing what he meant when he asked his father to help him.

>>78372274
>There's something I have to do but I don't know if I'm strong enough

I thought it was pretty clear mostly from the ominous setup.

I also thought the face reveal should have been saved for this scene. Would have been much more impactful coupled with the "what do you expect to see under it" exchange. That felt like it was intended for the audience but we already saw his face by then.

>>78372296
I thought they really were going to start redeeming him this early until Han grabbed the lightsaber and that's when I was like "oh fuck, he's completely talking about something else"

>>78372283
Lor San Tekka, an old man who worshipped the Force.

BB-8 was referred to as "he".

R2 sensed Han die through the Force and decided it was time to turn on.

>>78372203
>>78372217

Case in point, some of the lines I can remember, with his first one while talking to the old man:
"Your family is super important"
"You have no idea." Meaning that he had to betray his uncle, mother, father and who knows how many friends to be able to achieve this insane goal, that in the end, will finally bring balance to everything. (But my hunch is Luke's in on it as well).
"WHAT GIRL!?" Why else would he spazz out so bad about some random person helping the random stormtrooper unless he knew that on Jakku, there's a Jedi in hiding there cause he and Luke put her there in the first place.
-All of the lines he said to Han
-"You need a teacher" so he can gain her trust, he can teach her how to use the dark side against Snoke, ect, they need to become buddies to be able to work together in the end

Ahhh yeesss, it's all coming together.

>>78372062
I figure he has something to do with Rey. Maybe the person she was left on the planet with and his mission was to search the wrecks for the Skywalker data.

As for why she wasn't with him, maybe she had a rebellious teenage phase, hopped on her speeder, and set off to do her own thing. He and his people may have kept an eye on her. Could be seen in a Force flashback since I suspect eventually we'll see more of the vision Rey had of herself in the next movie revealing how she was left behind. Just guessing but her being left there and him being on a mission for the Resistance - and his connection to Kylo Ren - is heavily suggestive. It would be too much of a coincidence if they weren't somehow connected.

>>78372101
Wasn't their a regular female stormtrooper too who spoke with Kylo Ren?

>>78372283
>He was an old man with a map piece

>He/She is gender fluid you shitlord

>Because he didn't before

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why is no one discussing this pottery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7rLMLjZlG0

>>78372338
I also liked how it coincided with the light fading as the star was drained.

I still think Starkiller base was fucking stupid but there were some good moments.

>>78372283

>So who was the old man with the final map piece at the beginning?
Rebel helper. He had info and gave it to another Rebel.

>Was BB-8 female?
BB-8 is a robot.

>Why did R2D2 wake up only when he did?
Luke either programmed him to wake up when A-Rey specially was going to be there
B-When someone with a lot of Jedi power was there.

>>78372347
>-"You need a teacher" so he can gain her trust, he can teach her how to use the dark side against Snoke, ect, they need to become buddies to be able to work together in the end
That one was because Snoke wanted her alive too though you know

>>78372369
Because they sound nothing alike you faggot

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>>78372373
"As long as there's light, there's hope"

>mfw realizing what this really meant on a second viewing

JJ does good things sometimes

>>78372400
These are all bad answers. "Just a rebel" doesn't explain how he personally knew Kylo and had the final piece of a puzzle that was being looked by the two strongest forces in the galaxy and that kickstarts the whole movie.
>BB-8 is a robot.
There are female whore robots. Ergo, robots can be female.
>Luke either programmed him to wake up when A-Rey specially was going to be there
B-When someone with a lot of Jedi power was there.
Just say we don't know.

>>78372410

ON TOP of Snoke wanting her, yes.

>>78372283
>So who was the old man with the final map piece at the beginning?
Some guy

>Was BB-8 female?
No, he was referred to as he multiple times

>Why did R2D2 wake up only when he did?
I dunno. Might be revealed later. Might have to do with that part in the vision when Luke puts his hand on R2

>>78372422
I can't wait to overanalyze this trilogy for pottery. That said I'm glad JJ is gone. His directing style doesn't really suit Star Wars IMO. It's very frantic and almost claustrophobic, the way he shoots things.

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>>78369547
Most definitely.

>>78372283
>Why did R2D2 wake up only when he did?
According to Abrams, when BB-8 goes up to him at the end and beeps at him, he's saying "yo I got the final piece of the map let's put it together" and that's what gets Artoo's attention.

Not the best explanation honestly but better than some of the theories tossed around.

>>78372529
So C3-P0 prevented them from finding about Luke sooner? FO agent confirmed.

>>78372529
Seriously? What about the first time he saw him then?

>>78372566
C-3P0 stopped him remember?

>>78372566
I dunno. Probably preoccupied with the Ultra Death Star X5 Championship Edition or something. Maybe once all of that was over and they had time to relax, then he decided to go wake Artoo.

>>78372518
Was there any KOTOR era stuff that focused on the military and battles without much of a focus on the Jedi?

>>78369310
Episode 8 predictions

Fin and Rey separated for most of the movie.

The Republic proper gets involved in the fight v the FO bringing more fire power but also bogging things down with politics and red tape. Leia sends Fin and Poe on secret missions and shit, political corruption within the the republic possibly exposed, possibly Snoke, though that would be super Sidious 2.0 like so maybe not.

Luke trains Rey. Probably how most of the movie will be spent. He'll give her a Jedi history lesson thus filling us in on the nu canon origins of the Jedi. Snoke will do the same for the Sith while training Kylo. Luke will teach her much about the force but refuse to teach her about her own past.

At some point Rey will leave in frustration and go to face Kylo despite Luke's insistence she's not ready, she will lose and he will rescue her at the last second and drop the Rey, I am your father! bombshell. Its too good you know they're gonna have him say it.

During all this the FO will start operating more like terrorists using hit and run tactics since there's no way they have the resources for much else after losing their mega death star. I hope to god they don't build another in fact I hope someone recommends it and Snoke tells them that's the dumbest thing he's ever heard.

>>78372774
Ice planet
Lando
Rey gets her hand cutoff
Finn tells Poe he loves him
Poe says he knows before getting frozen in carbonite
it will be better than VII

What WAS the point of C3PO's red arm? Selling the explanation comic?

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