Star Wars Rebels

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nth for killer bears

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First for TFA is fine. The Prequels are fine. The EU is fine.

Rabid fanboys on the internet are fucking cancer though.

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Why do Jedis always run from their problems? I don't get how they policed for any amount of time

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>yfw there are people who STILL ASSUME SHIT FROM THE EU (KOTOR/Shadows of the Empire/Clone Wars 2003/Battlefront 2/etc) ARE STILL CANON
Seriously, how hard is it to understand '6 movies, TCW, anything made after 2012'?

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Vote on which Soundtrack Covers I should use when I upload them.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1CnA5F4p5GfKY_7AhaOsFRksRurG5aB-j76qUMGJ5Gpk/viewform

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>>78307173
NOT CANON
NOT CANON
NOT CANON

Stop it.

>>78307258
You mean 2014?

>>78307258
Well to be fair, I had ignored Star Wars for a while, at least on messageboards.

>>78307241
There's very little the Jedi can do after Order 66 to keep themselves from being wanted criminals or killed for being Jedi.

>>78307258
Blame the TFA Visual Dictionary for the KOTOR shit. It's canon and it mentions some things from KOTOR games for the new canon. Some people don't understand that that doesn't bring the games in their entirety into canon yet.

>>78307283
I like all the ones that are consistent between each other, so pretty much any of them except the second row.

>"Forgive me. I feel it again... the call from light. Supreme Leader senses it. Show me again, the power of the darkness, and I'll let nothing stand in our way. Show me, grandfather, and I will finish what you started."

It's like they wrote him knowing they had to have something for Kingdom Hearts III

>>78307222
Aren't they always?

>>78307258
Well KOTOR, or at least quite a few elements of it seem to be getting re-canonized to some degree. From the TFA visual guide we now know Taris is a thing and part of the Republic, and also that there was a "Great Scourge of Malachor" at some point in the past.

Wouldn't surprise me if they borrowed some plot elements for the trilogy as a whole as well at this point, like the whole mindwipe theory about Rey

>>78307321
Yeah, that's because the second row uses the DVD covers, which TFA doesn't have and might not get one like this.

>>78307287
Make me.

>>78307173
>Force-Sensitive Tree
That's it, I lost it. The new EU is just shittier than the old EU. At least in the old EU the Force-Sensitive Tree was a Jedi.

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First for OT3

>>78307287
I regret making that picture, way too many people who think they're funny have claimed it for themselves.

>>78307375
What?

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>>78307381
>yfw they are all somehow related to prevent Romance.

>>78307375
If a cave system under trees can be Dark Side allied in the movies, why can't trees that grew in the main Jedi Temple be slightly Light Side allied?

>>78307381

>Not OT4

BB-8 gets to join too

>>78307385
Fuck off back to reddit and suck off your fanfiction. This is a canon only zone.

>>78307381
Finn/Poe bromance is the only option.

>>78307283
I love the Version 1 ones but the TFA cover looks like it says "Episoooe"

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>>78307407
>yfw they are all somehow related but they fall into some polygamous love triangle

>>78307416
That's why you got all those Legends stuff in the pastebin up there, right champ? ;)
Learn to shitpost

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>>78307455
Yeah I don't know why the guy who made these did that, since Jakku also only has 1 sun IIRC.

>>78307283
I say 3rd row

>>78307488
>one person makes a pastebin so that means everyone has to be okay with it's contents

So has the battle of Jakku happened/been shown in anything or what

>>78307173
I fucking love the DF/JK games but Kyle is probably the single most overrated character in all of Star Wars.

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>>78307283
4th and 5th Rows are perfection.

They capture the essence of the films completely.

>>78307551
Lost Stars and Star Wars Battlefront

>>78307551
It's shown as a background event around the ending of Lost Stars, and we see/play the ground portion of it in Battlefront.

>>78307476
Incest is best

>>78307283
Fourth row is pretty much literally perfect. Star Wars always has the best environmental shots, and Coruscant is always a treat to see

>>78307705
>Coruscant is always a treat to see
Quite, I was so glad when I found out it wasn't destroyed.

>>78307283

What cities are those supposed to be fore I and II on the 4th row? Coruscant x2?

>>78307797
Second is Theed

>>78307797
I IS Coruscant. II is Naboo at night, the shot right before we see Padme's funeral.

You thjnk Kota will ever show up again?

>>78307283
The ship set is my favorite

>>78307822
>>78307842

How the fuck does that make sense for either of them.

I should be Naboo during the day. II should be Coruscant at night.

>>78307885
No
I liked him but no way he shows up.

>>78307222
THIS.

>>78307889
If you want to use it(if it doesn't end up winning the poll) it'll still be included in the Soundtracks MEGA in the Downloads pastebin with the rest of the variants.

Just use a program like mp3tag to change the covers to the variant you like.

>>78307885
The Jedi who gets killed by Kylo Ren in the vision looked like he was wearing the same kind of armor/outfit as Kota in fairness, but no, I don't think he'll ever come back. Maybe someone similar or based on his design, but not the same character.

>>78307311
>mentions some things from KOTOR games for the new canon

Apart from Malachor, what else?

Which is the cutest race in the Star Wars universe?

>>78308099
I don't know what it is about Poe Dameron calling everyone 'buddy' but it makes me want to hang out with him and buy him a beer.

Why wasn't there more Poe in this movie? I need my bro.

>>78307986
Alright thanks!

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>>78307173
GOAT fucking game but that force powers system was bullshit

>no insta-jump
>force deadly sight
irritating as shit

>>78308099

Not including Ewoks obviously. Always thought Talz were cute.

>>78308099
Do BB droids count? Because that fucking thing is retardedly cute.

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>>78308099

I know they don't actually look all that much alike, but when I saw Poe I immediately thought of a younger Bruce Campbell

>>78308379

only if you never look under the hood

Holy fuck McGregor does an amazing Guinness impression

https://sendvid.com/i0q9ybuc

Imagine there's a special edition in 20 years where they make it look like Han grabbed the lightsaber?
>Ben stabbed first.

>>78308366
I suppose Droids would be their own category. So, cutest droid?

R2D2 was my original fav, but BB8's lighter thumbs up has swayed me.

>>78308443
B1 droids are cute to me

>>78308215
He has that look of someone who just saw their food ruined, but they weren't that hungry anyways so they're just kind of like 'Come on, are you fucking serious?' Like someone who just saw their McDonalds fries and coke fall to the ground in a mess as a worker was bringing them their food.

So how long till we get rebels characters in GoH?

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So, how about all those practical effects in TFA?

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>>78308429
>mfw we get bit parts of Ewan and Hayden as Obi-Wan and Anakin's Force Ghosts respectively trying to console Luke and guide Rey in Episode VIII

Might feel weird seeing Ewan as Alec but I'd legitimately like to see them pull it off

>>78308429
That's pretty perfect. I wonder why they didn't credit Ewan there.

>>78308707
They were good

But there were still a load of CGI effects there too, which was fine.

>>78308707
Not sure if you're sarcastic or not, but they were pretty awesome. They were good enough that when Moz came along, it actually seemed weird having a CGI character.

>>78308678
Beg for them on the forums long enough, and who knows.

>>78308710

Ewan into Alec was one of the most perfect casting choices I've ever seen with some make up they could do it. Or just retcon RotJ like they did with Hayden ghost and have Ewan Obi.

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Went to go return something at the hardware store the other day, black guy in front of me is watching Star Wars: Rebels on his ipad.

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How's that counter programming working out?

>>78308710
They can use Alec again for Obi-Wan's looks. Disney recently made some technology to edit an actor's face to give them different expressions (that works pretty good by the way) so it wouldn't be that much of a stretch for them to take footage from the OT of him and edit it to make him look like he's saying new lines. The only thing in the way of that is his family might say no to it but I doubt it since he didn't hold a grudge against Lucasfilm or anything like that.

>>78307504
It definitely does.

>>78308760
Those poor, poor souls.

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Will this second line shut some people up?

And was the picture used even in the movie?

>>78308756
Good for him. I hope he was enjoying it!

Watched the movie today, really liked it. What did you guys think?

>>78308799
Nope. Maz and Leia never met.

And people must not have noticed that most of Rey's attacks were stabs, not swings.

>>78308799

The picture was not used in the movie.

That second line is bullshit. A staff is completely different from a lightsaber.

>>78307173
So I just came from TFA. I'm gonna be honest, I think I prefer the old EU's take on life after the Empire. Because this new reality is just a shitshow.

>>78308831

Fun movie that missed greatness by relying too much on nostalgia.

Kylo Ren steals the show.

>>78308774
I feel the only thing really in the way of that is the inevitable rage of OT purists

As well as respecting the dead, etc

But if it's a story element that can't work otherwise, can you really afford to bow to a rabid fanbase anymore than you already are?

>>78308831
Good, but it could have been more original. Otherwise fine, great acting and dialogue. I just hope the sequels step out of the OT's shadow.

>>78308865

I gave the Disney canon a fair shot.

I'm starting to think that doing so was a mistake. I'm considering retreating to Legends and just picking and choosing from the new stuff.

>>78308799
Do they think using a staff of that size translates into a fucking sword?
Completely different.

>>78308799
Doesn't stop her from being a Mary Sue.

She's good with one weapon so I'm good with all. She's also a pilot, a mechanic, and can brute force her way into the mind of a trained force sensitive, along with beating him in combat.

>>78308754
They just establish that Force Ghosts can change their appearance to any time in their life or something. Problem solved.

They could also just make Ewan look like Alec from the OT via a combo of make up and CGI.

>>78308799
Maz was probably originally gonna meet Leia, but they seem to have cut her out of the movie after her castle was bombed.

Speaking of which, does the novelization say anything more about Maz? She sorta just disappears after they exit the sublevel.

>>78308865
You prefer the Empire reforming multiple times, Palpatine clones, and tons of other bullshit to the Empire withering away and eventually reforming as the First Order?

>>78308429
Wait.... Wait what? Ewan?

>>78307944

You know what.

I think fighting Finn and Rey was the first time Kylo had ever actually been in a lightsaber duel.

1.) His lightsaber is obviously a jury rigged immitation. Could be because he loves Vader, and/or also because Luke hasn't taught anyone how to actually make one and he had to try and figure it out himself.

2) None of the other Knights of Ren have lightsabers. You'd think that a bunch of guys who want to kill Jedi would benefit from having lightsabers instead of clubs/swords/blasters.

3) In the scene where he's kiling Jedi, none of them have lightsabers either. In fact, one of them is wielding a club. Ypu'd think a bunch of Jedi fighting for their lives would have some lightsabers.

I think that maybe Luke downplayed the Lightsaber thing, and instead focused his teachings on the Force.

As a result, Kylo is pretty handy with his force powers, but his lightsaber skills leave a bit to be desired- especially after he takes a shot to the gut.

>>78308908
>>78308865
>>78307173
I think that the biggest mistake is that this is 30 years later. Simply too much could have/would have happened, Thrawn immediately picking up the pieces was much better.
I'm still enjoying the first order, but its not as good as the Thrawn trilogy's vision for the future.

>>78308922
I'd say Mary Sue is a strong word, I'll give her sword fighting and mechanics, expert piloting is kind of a stretch though, even with the Skywalker genes.

Force training however is kinda silly, unless she really had her mind wiped.

>>78308799
No, they probably filmed the scene in multiple ways and in the end went with one in wich Maz never takes the lightsaber out of the box.

>>78308831
Visually great, but suffers from being ANH Part 2.5 with awkward pacing and a weak plot, relying on nostalgia to fill in nonexistant development.

>>78308954
https://twitter.com/JATactor/status/678299784621350912

>>78308944

Maz lives and tells Finn he now has the eyes of a warrior. Then complains about the mess left by the FO attack.

>>78308954
At 0:58, that's Ewan saying "Rey" and then shortly after "These are the first steps.".

Originally it was gonna be James Arnold Taylor(TCW voice of Obi-Wan) but Ewan was able to do it. I'm guessing they originally weren't gonna get Ewan because of scheduling conflicts or something but he probably managed to make it work.

>>78308831
I thought it was great. The characters were interesting and likeable, and the story itself served the purpose of making me wonder how they got there and where they'd go next, despite it taking a lot of elements straight out of the OT.

In terms of quality I'd put it between the PT and the OT, and it's probably gonna be the same for the trilogy as a whole.

>>78309036
Good, glad they didn't kill her off offscreen or something.

>>78308922
Remember that time a farm boy was the best pilot in the fleet and also happened to be pretty good with a brand new weapon?

Or what about the time a slave boy was the best pod racer on the planet and was a literal chosen one?

>>78308720
Who knows. Daniel Craig wasn't credited either.

>>78309032
Holy shit.

But hold on, JAT was in the credits, so who did he voice? And I never saw Ewan in the credits.

I think that TFA is better than ANH. ANH will always have more of a place in my heart for starting it all, but I feel like Kylo is a much better villain than Episode 4 Vader. Obviously Vader's character's made better in Episode 5 and 6, but looking only at the movies as isolated things, I think I enjoyed this one more than 4.

>>78308962
Yeah, that seems fairly likely. I guess in this era lightsaber construction is basically a lost art that only Kylo seems to have any knowledge in.

>>78308429
I'm now sort of hoping that we see Ewan as a force ghost in VIII, or at least a disembodied voice.

>>78309098
Daniel Craig was in it?

>>78309093
>Or what about the time a slave boy was the best pod racer on the planet and was a literal chosen one?

He wasn't just the best podracer, he also built his own podracer- the fastest in the galaxy- from scrap.

He was also a better fighter pilot than half of Naboo's royal air guard despite never setting foot inside one of their fighters ever in his life.

>>78308962
>none of the knights of ren have lightsabers
actually I think its been confirmed that the one with the pole in the background is using a Saber Pike.

>>78309093
>Pretty good
>Getting zapped by a training droid
>Loses a fucking arm

>>78309105
He originally did the Obi Wan line apparently, but they redid it.

Also, who did Dee Bradley Baker voice? I remember thinking someone sounded like him, then saw that he was listen in the credits.

>>78308831
Fantastic film, loved everything about it except for a few areas where some more exposition would have helped like in regards to the political situation involving the Republic and the First Order and whatnot. Just needed a bit more fleshing out the context, but otherwise the film is damn near perfect as far as I'm concerned. The new cast all knocked it out of the park, especially Adam Driver who's performance as Kylo Ren is outstanding. God tier villain and very compelling character to me.

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>>78309169
I'll give piloting skills and martial ability, but, still, I feel just knowing how to do a Jedi mind trick, just because feels a little forced. It would have made sense for her to have seen someone one else do it first.

>>78309185
He was a stormtrooper.

>>78309134
Luke knows how to do it.

>>78309093
I can overlook piloting and mechanical prowess, but its hard for me to defend the mind trick, along with the lightsaber combat.

>>78309001
At this point in time, we don't know if the mind wipe is true or not. Unless you can point me to sufficient evidence that hints to the contrary, it's nothing but a fan theory.

>>78309117

Let the hype wear off. You'll change your tune.

People should never judge and rank media immediately after seeing it. Hell it should take more than one experience with it before.

>>78309153
he was the Stormtrooper Rey mindtricked

>>78309153
He was the Stormtrooper who Rey mind tricked

>>78309179
>getting zapped by a training droid
His first time using it - quickly got better
>loses a fucking arm
To the second strongest person in the galaxy.

Also way to ignore the rest of the post.

>>78307311
>Blame the TFA Visual Dictionary for the KOTOR shit. It's canon and it mentions some things from KOTOR games for the new canon. Some people don't understand that that doesn't bring the games in their entirety into canon yet.
It's not the VD's fault though. Anytime anything from KOTOR is mentioned you get a bunch of OMG THIS CONFIRMS IT'S CANON or RECANONIZATION AROUND THE CORNER GUYS idiots. Even something like Taris getting namedropped in Dark Disciple caused this reaction.

>>78308075

Taris got a mention in the senate section. I don't know what else might be in there.

>>78309203
Should have put a comma after 'just because'.

>>78309217
I know it's a fan theory, that's why I didn't really hold it as being a credible reason for her to do the ability. However sometimes fan theories are right and all that on the other hand...

>>78309217
Yeah that's true, that scene was a bit weird.

Everything else though, she's no different than Luke and Anain.

>>78308787
They knew what they were doing.

Then again, I heard Sisters was pretty decent.

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>>78309178
>actually I think its been confirmed that the one with the pole in the background is using a Saber Pike.

I think you mean a "force pike", which are the weapons the Red Guard had in RotJ. 'Cause there's no lightsaber blade anywhere else in that image.

So who gave Anakin his eyebrow scar? I know in the previous canon it was Ventress; is that still true?

>>78307944
Can't wait for the legos

>>78309178
No, if you look closely, you'll see there's a blade at the end of the pole, likely a halberd.

>>78309179

He got zapped once. Then he started blocking the bolts. While fucking blinded.

And he lost his arms facing off against the best lightaber duelist in the galaxy.

>>78308787
Chipmunks deserves it. They were originally suppose to open next week but some guy thought it would be a good idea to open this week instead

So apparently Kylo is 29-30 in TFA, which means Han and Leia fucked soon after RotJ.

That also means he was 15 when he wiped out Luke's Academy, since Rey was 5 when she was left on Jakku according to Ridley.

>>78309169
He didn't build it from scrap, nor was it the fastest.

He just took an old one from Watto's shop and fixed it up to working order.

>>78309326
Lucas said Anakin slipped in the shower and got the scar, but didn't want to tell anyone. Probably not canon, but it's my preferred reason. It's such an Anakin thing.

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>>78308799
Even in the comics it's shown that lightsabers are difficult to wield for those untrained in handling them. Whether or not you're sensitive to the Force, the blade isn't in a static position as it would be on a traditional sword, especially when you're actually moving it. Granted, I'll give Rey the benefit of her not actually wielding it as well as many people think. She used it more as a form of keepaway compared to Finn who'd actually been fighting quite well with it.

I gotta say though, the number of people on Reddit saying "THIS is how a lightsaber duel should be like, slow and heavy and EMOTIONAL not like the fucking faggot dances of the Prequels" without taking the time to realize that the duels of the Prequels were between seasoned masters of their craft trained to leave very little to no room for error whereas the duels we saw in TFA were between beleaguered relative amateurs is laughable. It's about on par with a lot of keyboard warriors talking shit against the functionality of kata in a "real fight" without actually understanding the very workings of kata

Granted, I will say that I'd actually like to see a duel or simple Jedi action reminiscent of Iaido as opposed to Western medieval sword fighting or Kendo. Of course, they can't end as quickly as an Iaido duel(which is pretty much over in a fraction of a second per the drawing of blades), so I'd be interested to see how one would pace the flow of a fight beyond the initial standoff of the draw.

>>78309374
>>He didn't build it from scrap
>He just took an old one from Watto's shop and fixed it up to working order.

Watto runs a scrap yard.

>>nor was it the fastest.

Pretty much every comparison of Anakin's racer to all the others describes it as the fastest. He also manages to catch up despite the massive headstart everyone had over him.

>>78308944
Yeah, at least everything still felt Star Warsy and main characters weren't just there for shits and giggles.

Was Kylo saying "more" and "harder" during his fight with Rey or was I hearing things?

>>78308707
Not needed. The movie was moving too fast for it matter.

Honestly, what the fuck were they thinking with the pacing?

>>78309203
Not defending it or anything, but it's likely that in probing Kylo's mind, she learned the workings of the Jedi mind trick? It's unlikely for Kylo not to have to have done it at least once before. It is only a simple matter of psychic suggestion/coercion.

>>78309547
...Possibly? I do hope they explain it somehow, because I felt that they were just writing themselves out of a corner there.

>>78309028

Do people even listen to themselves? "Nonexistant development", seriously? I swear some people seem to not realize this is the first part of a fucking trilogy, and act as though ANH had a ton of development in it or something.

>>78309441
>I gotta say though, the number of people on Reddit saying "THIS is how a lightsaber duel should be like, slow and heavy and EMOTIONAL not like the fucking faggot dances of the Prequels" without taking the time to realize that the duels of the Prequels were between seasoned masters of their craft trained to leave very little to no room for error whereas the duels we saw in TFA were between beleaguered relative amateurs is laughable. It's about on par with a lot of keyboard warriors talking shit against the functionality of kata in a "real fight" without actually understanding the very workings of kata

When people say "heavy and emotional", they're also referring to the OT.

They played more like fights in a Samurai movie. Lots of starring down, a couple of attacks and blocks, then more staring down. It was less about who was technically the better swordsman, and more of a battle of wills. The swords were just an extension of the greater conflict between the two.

The prequels focused less on that aspect and more on the flashy choreography.

And incidentally, the final battle in TFA felt very much like an old Samurai movie. The snowy forest setting really helped.

>>78308741
I think there was a Maz puppet in there as well as CGI.
At least that's what it looks like judging from the Visual Dictionary.

When Kylo Ren and the Stormtroopers are searching the base for Rey, he says something like "We must find her quickly. She is only beginning to discover her power, but the longer we delay the stronger she'll become". This coupled with the fact that in the novelization it is strongly implied that he already knows her is making me seriously question who she is and if her being left on Jakku as a child is the real story here.

>>78308707
They were awful. Like they really showed why Lucas using so much CG was a good move. Practical effects and costumes had their time in the 70s and 80s, try as you might you just can't recapture that. Use some, but don't put all your stock into them.

Shit, that thing looking at BB-8 at the start was a legit puppet on a stick.

>>78309547
>Not defending it or anything, but it's likely that in probing Kylo's mind, she learned the workings of the Jedi mind trick? It's unlikely for Kylo not to have to have done it at least once before. It is only a simple matter of psychic suggestion/coercion.

More like she's heard legends that Jedi could control peoples minds, so when she realizes that she has some force ability, one of the first things she does is test whether or not she has these fabled abilities.

>Still no camrip

>>78309624
>and act as though ANH had a ton of development in it or something.

Uh...HAN FUCKING SOLO

Luke goes from being a whiney farmboy to the hero of the rebellion.

Did we even watch the same movie?

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>>78309695

He's not wrong. All the aliens looked pretty terrible. No idea why J.J. thinks practical effects means everyone is a big hulking wrinkly ape

>>78309732
(you)

>>78309471
I don't see how Palpatine clones or any of the other shit the EU did was in any way "Star Warsy"

I also didn't feel that TFA only had the OT characters there for shits and giggles. They actually did stuff.

>>78309684
There's a shitty spanish one that's missing ~20 minutes of the film and is shaky/oddly angled.

>>78309750

Are we /tv/ now? Is that what TFA brought out

>>78309754
I saw that one.

Eh, I really don't want to pay for a third ticket.

>>78309628
>And incidentally, the final battle in TFA felt very much like an old Samurai movie.
You think? I felt it did more to resemble a medieval European longsword or claymore fight. It's certainly how they must have been instructed to treat the blades.

I don't disagree with how you say the fights were treated in the Originals or Prequels, but to say those in the latter were nothing more than "dances" is a bit of a disservice, especially when the choreography got a bit more personal and intense (Obi-Wan's turn against Maul in the generator pit room or Obi-Wan vs Dooku on Geonosis)

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I know that TPM had only one good song, but why didnt The First Order or Finn or Phasma or fucking anyone but Rey get their own song??

>>78309732
A lot of the aliens look terrible but that's not necessarily a CG vs Practical thing. Most of the aliens just have pretty uninspired designs, and we have like five different ones that are just "tan/orange lumpy-looking toad man" and that's not even counting Constable Not-Appearing-In-This-Film

>>78309628
I don't think he's arguing that it isn't heavy and emotional, but the idea that this is SUPPOSED to be how it is, is not exactly true from a canonical standpoint. Old lightsaber fighting styles kind of fell away, so what you have during the OT is Vader destroying an old man who can't move as quick as he used to, and Vader's usual stance of 'move forward and swing sword a few times' is actually counteracted well by Luke's own knowledge of lightsaber combat (which is to say, not much).

Honestly though, I wish they'd drop this whole 'JEDI ARE REAL???' and other various bullshit. It hasn't been a goddamn century, of course they're real. It makes a little more sense in TFA but it never made sense in the OT, not just because of the prequels ending twenty years prior to ANH, but because Obi-wan was still alive. A normal human. How could people forget THAT quickly about Jedi?

TFA really is just 'hey guys remember the things you loved from the OT' with token minority characters, but that's just my opinion.

>>78309754
>I also didn't feel that TFA only had the OT characters there for shits and giggles. They actually did stuff.

I liked the movie too anon but take off your fanboy underwear for a while and try to be unbiased.

For christ's sake R2 literally sits there. Threepio makes a joke cameo, Akbar had one line, Leia did fucking nothing but bitch at Han.

Han and Chewie are the only two that did anything.

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I'm going to blab about the music for a while. Some of my thoughts are taken from another thread. I'm actually really eager to have this discussion, so share your thoughts. Wall of text incoming.

Before the film premiered, we were treated to a 60 minutes clip, Williams was scoring the film and it wasn't locked to picture. That already made me feel worried. I hate to say it, it pains me to say it, but the score wasn't a standout like we've experience before.

I'm not saying change is bad, but scoring an unlocked film combined with all of the other musical changes like no London Symphony Orchestra and no Abbey Road, set the tone for the quality of the music we got, and it was less then before.

Now that I've had a chance to listen to the OST, I'm even more disappointed. Not with Williams, for he has proven just by virtue of his career alone, along with the fact that he scored the other 6 films that he can write quality music.

The score is filled with ostinatos and callbacks. I like Rey's theme, and rearrangements of things we've heard before such has Scherzo for X-Wings, but I feel the new material is lacking.

Like I mentioned before, change is not bad, but it did impact the music. It's a combination of things. JJ's editing style, the film's pacing, scoring for an unlocked film that is still being changed while John writes it, different musicians, and a different recording room. These little things add up to create something different, and I do not like the end result.

>>78309330

>while fucking blinded

because he was using the force. that's what obi wan was trying to tell him. Luke kept trying to use his eyes to deflect the bolts and he was too slow. When Obi Wan blinded him, he was sort of able to focus more on the force. That's why before they go to the cock pit Luke mentions that he "Kind of felt something".

Luke also did pilot before. Piloted SOMETHING at least.

>>78309814
They clearly had the old cast just for the transition to the new cast.
The next two films will feature them a lot less. (Not counting R2 and Luke)

>>78307222
>The Prequels are fine.
I know you guys are always first in line to reject the popular opinion, especially a popular opinion that has become so popular and overblown that people have stopped thinking about the reasons for that opinion. And the prequels had some strengths. But can we please not pretend that they didn't have problems that made it hard for many people to fully enjoy them. Weird stilted love dialog (whether inspired by Greek tragedy or not) being just one of them.

>>78309788
>I know that TPM had only one good song
My man, TPM had a number of good songs. Just because Duel of the Fates was the most memorable with the biggest impact doesn't mean it was the only good one

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI9BhjVHLFw

I mean come on, you can't deny the awesome grandeur of the scene wipe to the Naboo cruiser's coming up on Coruscant

>>78309793
>Constable Not-Appearing-In-This-Film
Holy kek

>>78309826
>wasn't locked to picture

Heard this mentioned a couple times. What does that mean?

>>78309884
he composed WHILE it was being filmed

>>78309655
I think her being left on Jakku as she saw in the vision really happened, but it was likely him that left her there. He probably knew her before turning and had an idea of what kind of power she potentially had.

Also, sorta unrelated but as far as Rey's skills/power-level go: they seem to share that mind-probing ability, so it's possible she just managed to pick up a few skills from him when she turned it against him. She may have still had her mind wiped upon being brought to Jakku so as to make her forget the Jedi and whoever she once knew, but that seems to be an innate ability they both possess to a very strong degree.

>>78309770
Could be worse. Max spammer could be here.

>>78309855
He piloted a T-16 Skyhopper, whose controls were apparently already pretty similar to the X-Wing's due to their sharing a contractor

>>78309788
>TPM only had one good song

Nice b8

>>78309814
>R2 literally sits there.

Because he's in lower power mode, defragmenting himself and shit after Luke left. It's on purpose that he doesn't do much in the film.

>Threepio makes a joke cameo
He has more than just that appearance. Looks like you didn't pay attention.

>Akbar had one line
because it was a cameo. he'll likely be more important in the coming films

>Leia did fucking nothing but bitch at Han.
Wrong. She didn't even bitch at Han. She argued with him a little bit, but she mostly talked with him about their son. She had plenty of other scenes.

>>78309867

Can we stop pretending the OT is flawless too then? Half of Empire is dull as fuck for example.

>>78309881
Pablo says he's somewhere in the scenes when Rey and Finn are running from the stormtroopers

The real question is where is Sarco "The Key" Plank

>>78309826
A lot of us felt the same thing. The score just didn't deliver. Was it horrible? No, not at all, it was adequate, but that's the problem. When John Williams scores a Star Wars movie and it's just "adequate" that's not a good thing. If this were the product of a lesser known composer working on a lower-profile movie nobody would mind, but after six great scores it's such a letdown to get a Star Wars score that doesn't hold up to the others. Before this the weakest one was AOTC, but even that had a few good moments and its lone standout theme Across the Stars was fantastic. This one struggles to even present much in the way of memorable themes, and aside from Rey's theme and the Resistance theme I couldn't even discern any others when watching the movie. I'm sure Kylo has an actual leitmotif and John Boyega had talked about Finn having one but I'll be damned if I could remember it.

Hell, I noticed Qui-Gon had a theme in TPM and it only appears a handful of times.

>>78309936
AND the romance with Han and Leia came straight outta left field but people pretend it's oh so beautiful and natural.

What if Kylo knew how strong Rey was and abandoned her on Jakku after mind wiping her to hide her from Luke?

And what if that's what Luke had been searching for in the Luke map.

>>78309938
>The real question is where is Sarco "The Key" Plank
Star Wars: Episode 8: The Search for Sarco

>>78309993
I think he was on Jakku.
At least pictures of him were on Jakku.

>>78309938
He was briefly in one of the scenes in the Jakku market in the background.

>>78309826
Eh, I've been listening to the soundtrack on repeat, and I disagree that the soundtrack is bad. It has plenty of great new pieces, like Rey's Theme, March of the Resistance, and Torn Apart.

>>78309922

Yeah. I'm not saying Luke wasn't naturally strong in the force (He certainly was), but he at least had experience before. I wish that they had played up the aspect of her winning the fight more. She should have been sort of struggling and only manage to fend him off because of the injuries, not totally fucking school him like she did. That's sort of how I explain it in my head.

>>78309938
Yeah, I thought it was weird that he was given a starring role in a YA book with Luke Skywalker and then didn't even appear in the movie. I thought he would've had some significance or else they wouldn't have bothered promoting him like that, but his role couldn't have been that important if he was deleted with no apparent consequence.

Does Qui-Gon have a Black Series? He's my favorite character and I wanted a figure of him.

>>78309884
The soundtrack wasn't composed with footage playing on a projector, which would have actually provided greater incentive and direction for Williams and the orchestra. The reason why the music of the last six movies worked so well with what was happening onscreen was because they'd already had the movie pretty much done by the time Williams was on tap to score them. Not to mention Williams and Lucas were pretty much the best collaboration you could ask for. Lucas actually had an ear for the kind of music he wanted and how it'd resonate with viewers. JJ just let Williams run wild with as minimal direction as possible barring his telling him to extend a certain part by a couple seconds because the scene was going to be longer and the music needed to reflect that

>>78309984

I wouldn't say that. They kind of talk about it in ANH and a good deal of time pass between the two movies (I think like 6 months)?

>>78309826
Initially I agreed with this, but as I've listened to the soundtrack more it's grown on me quite a bit. I like the new themes in this one, and the tone is fitting to the film itself. In terms of quality it's above a lot of stuff from the OT (probably not a popular opinion but there's some really good stuff here) but a step below what Williams created for the PT, in that it's not quite as big of a sound. The London Symphony Orchestra not doing this one did negatively impact it though, for sure, but I think the music itself is good.

>>78310038
Nope, and he's probably unlikely to get one anytime soon. It's a shame, I'd like to have him and Dooku in that scale, but neither are considered highly marketable, especially now that they're putting prequel era stuff on the backburner.

I really, really liked it.
Had emotion and characters of the original trilogy, and the flashiness of the prequels, with better direction.
Only thing that bothered me is those new Star Wars moments, like Poe flying through a trench to destroy the thing.
I figure I'll come down from hype at some point, but I still think this movie is pretty great.

>>78310021
Having seen the film twice now and listened to the whole soundtrack through at least a dozen times, I honestly love it now. It doesn't have any immediately standout themes like the previous ones, and it disappointed me a lot at first, but it's very good and at this point I find many of the themes and motifs in it to be fantastic. I agree completely with the three pieces you listed, Torn Apart being my absolute favorite, but I would also submit Scherzo for X-Wings, The Ways of the Force, Snoke, and The Jedi Steps as great pieces of Star Wars music as well.

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How genuine was Kylo being with Han on that bridge?

>>78310025
But Rey wasn't schooling him at first. It's only after she locks into the Force and Kylo has been bleeding profusely from his bowcaster wound to the side(which earlier in the film was powerful enough to send stormtroopers flying) for a while and his injury from Finn does she begin to start gaining the upper hand.

Kylo only lost because he was injured and fatigued.

>>78310092
Agreed. Those pieces you listed are also pretty great. The Jedi Steps is masterful, probably up there with the PT.

Is Rey confirmed to be inspired by Bastilla? Cause she's basically exactly who I'd imagine Bastilla to be without jedi training.

Where were the classic aliens? I only recall seeing Ackbar, a Sullustan flying an X-wing, and Chewbacca. Other than that, no classic aliens at all.

>Twi'lek
>Bothan
>Quarren
>Devaronian
>Bith
>Duros
>Rodian
>Gamorrean
>Gand
>many others

Instead we were given some unmemorable furry and insect things, Max, and some weird new long-faced alien as an X-wing pilot.

Does Reys music actually have the Empire theme in it, or am I being trolled?

>>78310124
Entirely. Han is the one who pressed the activator on the Lightsaber. He killed himself because he saw how badly his son needed him to do it. He sacrificed himself to save his son in that moment, and it will eventually pay off. Ben is not evil, he is a protagonist for this trilogy and will be redeemed when he can finally see clearly enough to quiet his internal struggle and stop fighting against who he already knows he is.

>>78310162

J.J. was too stupid to borrow the parts of the OT he SHOULD have

>>78310162
its called star wars, not prequel wars

>>78309787
>I don't disagree with how you say the fights were treated in the Originals or Prequels, but to say those in the latter were nothing more than "dances" is a bit of a disservice, especially when the choreography got a bit more personal and intense (Obi-Wan's turn against Maul in the generator pit room or Obi-Wan vs Dooku on Geonosis)

Well it's a good thing I didn't say all the prequel fights were "nothing more than 'dances'". There were plenty of great scenes/fights.

But there were also a lot of instances where lightsabers were twirling about purely for cool factor, and the idea of a lightsaber battle being a force of wills was more or less tossed out the window.

>>You think? I felt it did more to resemble a medieval European longsword or claymore fight. It's certainly how they must have been instructed to treat the blades.

I would compare it to fighting with European claymores in a technical sense, which is understandable given that none of the participants had ever actually engaged in an actual lightsaber duel before- and one of them repeatedly demonstrated his love of slashing wildly at shit when pissed off.

But as far as lighting, setting, pacing, and -again- the idea that it wasn't so much a battle of technical skill as much as a spiritual conflict manifesting itself in a fight are all very much like how sword fights between protagonists are treated in Samurai films.

>>78310149
I don't know about that, but I would put money on the Lightsaber she makes for herself having a Yellow blade.

ESB>ANH>ROTS>TFA>ROTJ>TPM>AOTC

So how much do you think it's TFA actually being a good film and how much do you think it's Star Wars fanboys literally unable to deal with a new movie being bad and blinding themselves to flaws?

>>78310124
I think he was being pretty genuine. He seemed genuinely conflicted about what he felt he had to do. The major thing with him is he thinks he's on the right side, so to him it was a necessary sacrifice.

He did seem a little sour toward Han, though. While interrogating Rey he gave a bit of dialogue that seemed to imply that they were pretty distant. But I think he did still care about him, which made it an actual test of his will.

>>78310203
no, shes going to keep the blue to go with her force lightning

>>78310217
>ROTS>TFA>ROTJ
Thanks for the laugh

>>78310233
It's a genuinely great film as far as I'm concerned, I haven't enjoyed a movie this much in a long time and it's exactly what I was hoping it would be. I feel sad for anyone who didn't enjoy it to be quite frank.

>>78310189
Then why haven't we seen stars having a war?

>>78310217

I'll never understand Empire love. It's like the fandom just agreed one day that it's the best and everyone else just went along with it.

Jedi and ANH are far better.

>>78310251
He's right though

>>78310217
ESB>TFA>ROTJ>ROTS>TPM>ANH>AOTC
You know it to be true.

>>78310217
>ROTS>TFA
People like you need to be euthanized

>>78309796
>>Honestly though, I wish they'd drop this whole 'JEDI ARE REAL???' and other various bullshit. It hasn't been a goddamn century, of course they're real. It makes a little more sense in TFA but it never made sense in the OT, not just because of the prequels ending twenty years prior to ANH, but because Obi-wan was still alive. A normal human. How could people forget THAT quickly about Jedi?

This is because the PT and EU made Jedi so ubiquitous. They were apparently everywhere and had their HQ on the capital planet.

I think they were supposed to be more like wandering mystical warrior monks. People have heard legends of their powers, but few people would have ever actually seen one in person.

That and their abilities were meant to be more subtle. Yoda, Obi Wan, and the Emporer are supposed to be some of the most awesome force users, and they really don't look all that badass. They spend more time manipulating people and making crytpic/prophetic statements and recieving visions as opposed to running around saving the world and having adventures with their lightsabers.

Hell, Yoda and the Emperor don't even *have* lightsabers in the OT.

>>78310217
>>78310284

RotJ > ANH > TFA > ESB > TPM > RotS > AotC

That's my gut answer but I wanna see TFA again.

>>78310284
>ANH that low

nah

>>78310162
It's starting. Disney is trying to override everything about Star Wars and remake it in their own "original" image.

>>78310290
Only like the last 30 minutes of Return of The Jedi are good. I find more entertainment in Revenge of The Sith and A New New Hope

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>>78310284
>ANH that low

No troll list until now has done this

>>78310335

But all the Jabba's Palace stuff is the highlight of the series. It's where we finally see Luke's character payoff and all the heroes get to be badass together.

>>78309867
Can we not pretend that there's not an inverse to what you are saying and that people legitimately enjoyed the PT?

I've always liked the PT. Are they flawless? No. But I still appreciate everything they did right and as well as giving us a plethora of new avenues for EU stories that are still be explored to this day.

The most frustrating thing is that whenever I or someone else wants to talk about the nice things in the PT, and there's quite a lot, shitposters feel the need to be pretentious assholes about it.

>>78309855
>because he was using the force. that's what obi wan was trying to tell him. Luke kept trying to use his eyes to deflect the bolts and he was too slow. When Obi Wan blinded him, he was sort of able to focus more on the force. That's why before they go to the cock pit Luke mentions that he "Kind of felt something".

And Rey used the force. When she closed her eyes, she was sort of able to focus more on the force and it guided her movements. Before that point, she was pretty much running for her life.

And Rey was shown to be able to fight off two grown men with a staff. She has some experienced with melee combat.

Nobody even bats an eye when she's handed a blaster pistol- which she seems to have never handled before- and is taking down Stormtroopers left and right with it.

Did the destruction of Hosnian system seriously eliminate the entire New Republic Navy? I'm aware they are supposed to have demilitarized, but they can't seriously have a fleet that consists of a handful of ships hanging around a single system can they?

>>78310368

Let's talk about it anon. What's your favorite? Favorite character? Favorite moment?

TPM and Qui-Gon for me. And obviously the Duel of Fates.

>>78310368
I didn't say you can't enjoy them and that they didn't do some things right. But these generals have often swung so far towards them that they won't accept criticism of the prequels out of some perception that saying something negative about them is simply a pretext to jump into le prequels suk meme bandwagoning.

>>78309907
What >>78309907 and especially >>78310039 said. Lucas understands how classic movie scoring worked, and what he would want from Williams. They worked fantastically together. William's ability is not in doubt here, but the director and the composer work together to create the music for the film. Even with extraordinary ability, running wild all the time never good.

>>78310021
I'm not critiquing William's ability to write complex music and memorable themes. There are things I like in the OST, and I don't think the soundtrack is absolutely terrible. But I think the use of music in the movie is lacking, and the overall sound suffers.

>>78310056
>the tone is fitting to the film itself
That's part of my issue. The way the film is cut, and the pacing of the plot, dictates the music. It works, but not like it used to. I agree with your rankings though.

I'm going to have fun delving into the Soundtrack, and picking apart harmonies and leitmotifs, but that doesn't make this different sound a 'better' kind of different.

>>78310400
The whole 'vote where the capital of the NR is located' thing would mean that it would have a constant NR fleet presence.
With the cut down on military hardware, I'd say it works.
Still contrived though.

>>78310400
Probably a good portion if not all of it. The VD says while the NR fleet is the largest single fleet in the galaxy, it's only a fraction of what it was in the clone war.

Someone said that Pablo says the NR fleet acts like the UN with each system having some of their ships make up the NR fleet.

>>78310429

It's because PT criticism has never been PT criticism.

It's always kneejerk HOLY SHIT THE PT IS GARBAGE AND IRREDEEMABLE.

Nobody talks about the legitimate pros and cons of the movies. Most Star Wars nerds are worse than RLM about the prequels.

>>78310368
>I've always liked the PT
No you don't. This is why:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI

>>78310025
>She should have been sort of struggling and only manage to fend him off because of the injuries, not totally fucking school him like she did. That's sort of how I explain it in my head.

At the beginning of the fight, she was running for her life. Then she closes her eyes and lets in the force.

Are we really surprised that she's now able to compete against a novice ligthsaber wielder who is suffering from a gut shot and an injury to his sword arm?

>>78307283
third row easily

>>78310400
We don't know right now, but I'd like to think not. If so, they deserved to be crushed in all honesty. There's no excuse to be this blind to real threats that you neuter yourself in the face of crazy people who think they're bringing the Empire back.

>>78310233

Look in these threads, Star Wars fanboys are doing just the opposite, trying to nitpick the movie so they feel good about thinking it's not as good as the others (or worse yet, Prequel babies who think that should be the norm).

>>78310400
Wait that was the signifigance of that planet being destroyed? That actually was the capital of the New Republic?

Why the fuck is the NR so weak? Right off the bat, they have to make the good guys the underdogs for more nostalgia points.

>>78310311
>This is because the PT and EU made Jedi so ubiquitous. They were apparently everywhere and had their HQ on the capital planet.
They weren't "everywhere". There were 10,000 of them among trillions and trillions of sentients. They were the peacekeepers of the Republic, which is why their main Temple was on Coruscant, though they had other smaller temples scattered out among the galaxy.

> I think they were supposed to be more like wandering mystical warrior monks.
That was never implied nor directly stated, just a fan assumption/theory.

>People have heard legends of their powers, but few people would have ever actually seen one in person.
This is still true. Anakin had only heard about them from offworlders telling stories when he was on Tatooine, an Outer Rim world.

> That and their abilities were meant to be more subtle.
When was this stated?

> Hell, Yoda and the Emperor don't even *have* lightsabers in the OT.
Because Yoda was in exile alone, and lost his saber in RotS. He had no use for one.

Palpatine lost both of his sabers in RotS as well and didn't really need one now that the Jedi were gone. He had no reason to retrieve his second saber from whatever crevice in the Senate Chamber it fell into.

>>78310233
I think a lot of people enjoyed the film. But I think it will turn into the latter as time goes on and the hype dies down. Remember people tore apart the prequels for like 14 years, TFA will get it too.

>>78310493
The NR is afraid of going to war with the FO because it will start shit up again.

Leia sees they're making a mistake and makes the Resistance and asks for NR support, but they are reluctant to help her. Then they get BTFO.

>>78310493
>Why the fuck is the NR so weak?

What, was the NR (led by a huge pacifist, mind you) supposed to become a dominant superpower because the head of a gigantic empire died?

>>78310504
I agree with you, but you should know that Sheev DID retrieve at least one of his Lightsabers. He uses it in Lords of the Sith.

>>78307173
How upset will you be if episode 8 sticks as close to Empire Strikes Back as TFA did to A New Hope?

I really liked TFA, better than any prequel by far (prequel loving hipsters get out), but still I don't want think I want 3 OT remakes.

Does anyone have the visual dictionary, and can you upload some of these pages? This is material that should have at least been mentioned in the movie.

Mon Mothma was a mistake

>>78308210
I see you played it well after it came out.

>>78310518

Vitriol against TPM was immediate. We know you don't like it when people make fun of your precious prequels (we get it, you grew up with them), but that doesn't mean the same thing will happen to better movies.

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How can something so clothed be so sexual?

>>78310429
And that's wrong too. But honestly what can you expect with all the overly harsh and VERY loud RLM dick suckers?

Remember in science class: For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
That doesn't just apply to physics. When you have one extreme, its opposite will eventually surface in an attempt to bring the system back into equilibrium. But as history normally shows, the answer to an extreme is rarely its opposite. Sure, it may solve the problem in the short term, but it will always cause new problems down the road.

It's up to us to find a middle ground between the two if we ever hope to restore balance to the fandom.

>>78310525
Well, someone has to fill the power vacuum. If the NR couldn't do what was necessary, then they weren't the solution to the Empire.

https://archive.is/yIq34

Why is Rey their peak female character? Of all people why?

>>78307578
>>78307705
>>78310464

You know, if you guys don't vote in the poll it doesn't mean a thing. I'm not keeping a separate tally of who wants what if you just reply to the post.

>>78310533
Probably should get around to reading that. I've been so busy I haven't had the chance. Must mean he got his second back, since the first went flying out the window and is probably somewhere deep in Coruscant's depths now.

>>78310553
TPM was well recieved when it first came out.

>>78310556
It creates the illusion of what you want to see.

>>78310553
>literal propaganda with plagiarized plot is a better movie

>>78310553

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSaaa_OBkzw

>>78308429
I really can't here where.

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>>78310538
I've only saved 3 pages from the past threads

>>78310553
>Vitriol against TPM was immediate
It really wasn't. It was popular for a long time. You're trying to act smug, but really you just look insecure.

>>78310537
I can imagine it'll take quite a few cues from Empire like the villains managing to score a major victory, but I don't think it'll be to the same degree as TFA with ANH. I think they're headed in a somewhat different direction with the overall plot of the trilogy. Or, I HOPE they are anyway.

>>78310601
0:58 onward.

Listen for "Rey," and "These are the first steps"

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>>78310627

So what are the chances of a new kyle? How old was he originally anyway?

>>78310627
>No-nonsense stance exudes authority

Who wrote this?

>>78310627
>sash of agreement
>his expression


I will never not laugh

>>78310618
Yea I hope so too. I think if nothing else were gonna see Kylo training and that's cool. We never saw Vader train or any of the bad guys.

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>>78310650
The coffee drinker

>>78310162
To be fair this was taking place in part of the galaxy that had gone unexplored.

>>78310646
New Kyle = Kanan. Their love interests even share a voice actor and role.

Not sure how old Kyle has been in his appearances.

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>>78310564
>The Verge

>>78310660
That's honestly what I'm most interested in. We're pretty much following Kylo and Rey on their parallel hero/villain journeys here, and they'll both get the chance to train and power themselves up for next time. We haven't really seen that before, and it might give us a good look at the story from both of their perspectives as it moves forward.

>>78310504

There weren't a lot of Jedi, but they were "everywhere" because they had such close ties to the Republic that they were basically diplomats/generals.

Anakin had never seen a Jedi, but even he knew what a lightsaber was the instant he saw one and knew Qui Gon was a Jedi. Watto also instantly recognized that Anakin had become a Jedi.

And as you said, they live in bumfuck nowhere. People in the mid rim and core worlds would be able to ID a Jedi even faster.

And a scant 30 years later, they're myth?

The myth thing only really works if Jedi weren't running around putting themselves at the center of galactic politics and wars.

The Jedi being overlooked/forgotten would have worked better if they had been more removed from the lime light. If they had done less adventuring, particpated in less battles, and operated less as knight errants and more like travelling wise men. Capable of kicking your ass, but more likely to avert the conflict altogether.

>>Because Yoda was in exile alone, and lost his saber in RotS. He had no use for one.

You honestly think Lucas had that scene in Attack of the Clones in mind when he filmed Empire Strikes Back decades earlier? You think the decision to cut out Luke's lightsaber training was not intentional. Or Yoda's whole "Wars not make on great" and "Your weapons, you will not need them" lines didn't have something to say about his stances on armed conflict?

>>Palpatine lost both of his sabers in RotS as well and didn't really need one now that the Jedi were gone. He had no reason to retrieve his second saber from whatever crevice in the Senate Chamber it fell into.

Again, are you implying that Lucas had this in mind when he did Return of the Jedi? He could have had/made a lightsaber and just used it to kill Luke when he refused to join the dark side. Instead, he chose to throw lightning at him.

>>78310614
>>78310627
>>78310638
Wasn't there a page in these threads of Kylo Ren? I think it mentioned some part of his lightsaber or helmet being from Malachor

>Malachor
>Taris
>Rakata Prime

KOTOR partially confirmed?

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Just saw it. Really liked it, though I wish they did a better job at explaining certain things.

Also Finn and Rey were kinda qt

>>78310615
>It really wasn't. It was popular for a long time. You're trying to act smug, but really you just look insecure.

It was "popular" in that a lot of people saw it. It was pretty much recognized as an underwhelming precursor to the OT, though.

>>78310737
It certainly looks like we're on our way back to KOTOR being canon. That, or they'll just incorporate a lot of elements from it into the trilogy going forward.

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>>78310737
I'm stupid I did save that image

>>78310264
When will something in star wars actually be called the star wars?

>>78310808
We'll get the answer to that in Episode IX

>>78310493
The NR weakened itself on purpose and moved its capital away from Coruscant to persuade former Separatist systems that it wasn't just a repeat of the corrupt Old Republic or the iron fisted Empire.

Contrast to the EU where it militarized heavily because it still needed to defeat the iron fisted Empire, which meant it was militarily prepared when Corellia went full separatist.

I'm still pissed Greg Grunberg lived and that cool looking alien dude got shot down.

>>78310671
Doesn't work. Kanan isn't an ex soldier. All I'm saying though is I refuse to believe that some ex trooper isn't running around the galaxy dicking around with the force in 30 years.

>>78309867
>But can we please not pretend that they didn't have problems that made it hard for many people to fully enjoy them.

So does TFA. So does OT (did you ever watch in in a modern resolution for starters, and then the middle part of ESB drags far too much, RotJ has ewoks and Imperial forces folding so easily both on the ground and in space that it was grating even when I was twelve, and so on).

>Weird stilted love dialog (whether inspired by Greek tragedy or not) being just one of them.

See, it is complaint like this that make roll my eyes. Do you expect a boy who had a father figure for the total of less than a week and was raised by space monks; and a girl who clearly had some significant romantic problem, most likely, given Padme's overall feelings of being trapped in her role, the belief that no one can court her without an underlying political purpose; to suddenly become smooth seducers?

There is, in fact, a big problem with the prequel dialogue, but it somehow rarely gets mentioned - the script has a tendency to overexplain things, instead of letting the actors convey them through well, acting. TFA, by the way, has the exact same flaw.

Overall, no SW movie so far is outright bad. I'd personally like TFA the lowest because it is very derivative and too much dumb shit happens solely for plot convenience (The heroes on the Forest Planet somehow seeing the destruction wrought by the Starkiller. Total absense of security on the First Order base. Falcon hyperspeeding right under the shield - sure doing that instead of going on a near-suicide mission with an infantry squad would have been handy on Endor. Shields on the Starkiller that can be turned off by a random infantry officer and cannot be turned back on from the main bridge. No fleet protecting the Starkiller. No fleet attacking the Starkiller, just because they wanted to replicate ep IV point-by-point.) On the other hand, purely as an action movie TFA might be the best out of seven.

>Episode 10
>Episode 11
>Episode 12
>Episode 0
>Episode -1...

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>>78310627
Corr Sella is the new Winter?

Amuses me that the first issue with TPM that RLM has applies to TFA.

Who's the main character?

>>78310905
I think you mean Nuclear Winter.

>>78310910
teh rei

>>78310892
>So does TFA. So does OT
So, we're descending into whataboutism as an argument.

>>78310910
Rey but only barely.

>>78310910
I'd say that TFA is kind of an ensemble piece with Rey, Finn, and Han (in that order of importance) as the lead characters

>>78310910
Rey and Finn.

Despite what you heard a film can have multiple main characters/protagonists.

>>78310920
>>78310948

But we're not introduced to Rei till quite a bit of the way into the movie (One of RLM's complaints) and she's then taken away and the focus is on Finn.

>>78310407
>Let's talk about it anon. What's your favorite? Favorite character? Favorite moment?

RotS. Sheev. Cannot really choose between TPM's final battle and the Anakin's turn leading to the Order 66 sequence.

>>78310978
>But we're not introduced to Rei till quite a bit of the way into the movie
Ten minutes in isn't a lot of time. Have you never heard of an opening prologue? A New Hope opens on Leia, then follows the droids through the desert of Tatoinne. Luke doesn't make an onscreen appearance for about the same length of time.

>>78307173
So who do we potition to put Kyle in something and make him Canon again
maybe include Dark Forces and maybe Jedi for back story, make Disney do a rerelease of em

I feel like Finn will be the new Han. He was a bit awkward and out of his depth but had unintended roguishness.
>I need a pilot
>we'll use the force

>map to Skywalker has reached the Resistance base so they decide to use Starkiller Base to destroy the Resistance base
>for some reason the Resistance don't pack up and leave or transmit the all-important map to another Resistance base or a Resistance starship somewhere else via Holonet, instead they just sit around and hope that the X-wings manage to do the job
they HAVE starships, they could have got on them and run away.

>>78310407
RotS, Mace, that fucking Phantom Menace battle. Seeing it for the first time and hearing the fucking score for the first time was incredible.

>>78310457
>No you don't. This is why:

Plinkett's manual on pretending to be retarded cannot ever be the reason for someone to not like something.

>>78310398
I know, especially since all these stormtroopers are supposedly taken from their families and trained from childhood.
It's no wonder Finn can hold is own against Ren

>>78311016
Fuck the old canon. I want new stories not the same old shit.

>>78311000

I love every minute The Emporer- not that lame senator- but that scheming, melodramatic, snarling Emporer is on screen.

He's so classically evil and every line of dialogue just drips with ... something.

>>78310910
>Amuses me that the first issue with TPM that RLM has applies to TFA.

Which is of course was never an issue in the first place. Lots of movies have an ensemble cast.

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>>78310646
>>78310671
>>78310859
>Episode VIII
>Luke is training Rey
>We learn more about how the new academy fell to the Knights of Ren
>Luke hints that not everyone died that day
>Rey and the audience believe he's talking about Kylo Ren, there's still good in him
>Later a fight begins, Rey leaves to help her friends against the wishes of Luke
>Luke doesn't intervene, but mentions that she will have help through the Force
>Rey vs Kylo Round 2. She is able to turn the tide, but the First Order is going to pull a dirty trick.
>Suddenly, the sound of a lightsaber ignites, and Kylo is staggered.
>yfw Sith Spit

>>78311023
I don't think there is another Resistance group. Only Leia's small group.

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So at what age did Poe get BB-8?

I've never seen such devotion in a droid before.

>>78311023
They didn't have a fleet, and it would be pretty terrible of them to let yet another planet die because of them. If they didn't stop the First Order and destroy the Starkiller, then they wouldn't be much of a Resistance group against them would they?

>>78311019
Rey is the new Luke. Finn is the new Han. Poe is the new Leia?
Finn and Poe bromance for life.

>>78310407
Hard to pick a favorite. Even the bit characters were fun. Top 3, I'd have to say:

3. Jango Fett. He was everything I wanted to see from a space mercenary that I never got from Boba in the OT. He's got cool gadgets to help him fight dirty against superior foes and looks like a badass using them.

2. Obi-Wan for being the embodiment of what I always imagined the Jedi being like: noble gentlemen that are fair and wise but don't take shit from assholes and would-be conquerors. What's even more impressive is that he still managed to maintain that ideal during a tumultuous time in the Jedi's history where their values and beliefs were being eroded by war. Also his nuanced role as a mentor and brother for young Anakin. He had no idea if he was doing a good job, but he tried his hardest nonetheless. Their banter is some of the highlights from the entire franchise (makes it even sadder TCW Utapau arc wasn't finished as that had some great examples of it). I like to think he learned from his shortcomings and this helped him instruct Luke more effectively.

1. Sheev for being a conquering asshole. To be more precise, I love him for being the epitome of the final big bad. He is the bar that all villains should strive towards. He was shown and demonstrated many aspects of the best villain archtypes. He is both chess master and a puppet master. His cunning, patience, and foresight for careful planning enables him to play the long game. He prefers to delegate to others matters beneath his notice but is also a powerhouse if need be. Even if he's hamming it up, it's perfectly in character because his guise forces him to suppress his true nature and on those rare occasions where he actually gets to be himself he just cuts loose and enjoys himself.

>>78310910
Han Solo?

He was listed first in the credits and was the focus from the moment he arrived til his death.

Then Poe was the hero at the start, and saves the day... Finn probably has the most screentime... Rey had the lightsaber fight and has the force though... But Kylo has the main character arc...

Aw fuck it, you're right.

Also;

>Describe Phasma without describing her job or what she looks like.

>>78311081
>Describe Phasma without describing her job or what she looks like.
Girl Boba Fett

>>78310910
Rey and Finn can both be the wide-eyed protagonists. Also they're introduced early.

>>78310407
RotS, Obi-Wan. Duel of Fates or Obi-Wan's "you were the chosen one" scene.

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>>78311070
>I've never seen such devotion in a droid before.

>>78311081

Don't forget

>DON'T TELL ME TO READ THE BOOK TO UNDERSTAND MORE IT SHOULD BE IN THE MOVIE

>>78311081
>Describe Phasma without describing her job or what she looks like.
An incompetent coward.

>>78311074
>and on those rare occasions where he actually gets to be himself he just cuts loose and enjoys himself.

Yes. He just loves being bad so much.

>>78311089
Accurate since Boba Fett was never a character either.

I want KOTOR stuff back in canon because maybe we'd get a HD remake

>>78310488
What makes a prequel baby? My wife and I are almost 30. We grew knowing the OT and I watched the prequels growing up. A few weeks ago we watched all 6. We like to think we know a bit about movies.We met at a theatre were I was a projectionist (before it went digital). We watch 4-5 movies a week and critic as a hobby. I'm not saying I am critic in the professional sense. I'm just saying its what we are passionate about.

After rewatching all 6 we both agreed that the Prequels were better. Better acting, better action, better villians etc.

I actually cared about the characters and their motivations.

So am I prequel baby or am I just a guy who likes one over the other.

>>78310646
>yfw Kyle is TR-8R

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>>78308922
All of Rey's skills are allusions to who she is supposed to mirror.

>pic related

>>78311124
You're just retarded, you and your wife.

>>78311073
We don't have have a Chewie yet. Unless he's not getting rotated out.

>>78311113
that is joke

>>78310719
>There weren't a lot of Jedi, but they were "everywhere" because they had such close ties to the Republic that they were basically diplomats/generals.
Not really. They mostly stayed in their temple, only leaving on Republic business. Most people wouldn't have seen them. Even during the Clone Wars, most people wouldn't have seen them in action, they'd be leading from their ships or directly on the battlefield, away from the public eye.

> Anakin had never seen a Jedi, but even he knew what a lightsaber was the instant he saw one and knew Qui Gon was a Jedi.
Because "spacers" had told tales of them and their "laser swords".

>Watto also instantly recognized that Anakin had become a Jedi.
I wonder if it's because, 10 years ago, he saw Qui-Gon Jinn dressed similarly?

> And as you said, they live in bumfuck nowhere. People in the mid rim and core worlds would be able to ID a Jedi even faster.
Not all of them would have seen Jedi, though.

> And a scant 30 years later, they're myth?
20, but not the point. The Imperials treat them as a myth, and Han Solo, who mostly stayed in the Outer Rim since he's a smuggler, hadn't ever seen one.

Just because a few lines in the OT treat them as a myth doesn't mean everyone in the galaxy does. This is a major problem people seem to have. They take everything the OT does or mentions extremely literally. I'm not saying he had those in mind, but there's perfectly good reasons for them not having sabers in the context of the entire saga.

>Or Yoda's whole "Wars not make on great"
Oh not this shit again. Yoda changed from what he was in the PT to the OT through the events of The Clone Wars and Order 66, plus his years in exile.

>and "Your weapons, you will not need them"
He didn't need them. He only saw Vader because he took his weapons.

>He could have had/made a lightsaber and just used it to kill Luke when he refused to join the dark side.
He wanted to make Luke suffer. Using a lightsaber wouldn't have done that.

>>78311142

Any tall guy in a suit can be Chewie.

>>78311072
>>78311060
>They didn't have a fleet
They did have transport craft. Might have been helpful to at least get a copy of the Skywalker map onto one of them with a trusted agent or two to safeguard it, in case the base doesn't make it, and get the map back to New Republic territory and hand it to New Republic Intelligence. Instead of keeping it on the planet and hoping that it doesn't get vaporized by hyperspace lasers.

I bought the Visual Dictionary today.

If anyone wants more pics of it's contents just ask.

>>78311142
He was still with Rey in the end, so he'll obviously at least be in the next one to some degree. Seems like he's taken it upon himself to look after her since the Falcon is her ship now.

>>78310638
Wait, what?
The entire Rebel fleet was at Endor, wasn't it? And it barely held its own against Vader's rebel hunting task force until the Death Star exploded. So where does the New Republic get the massive fleet necessary to fight the Empire to the negotiating table in just one year?

Listening to the soundtrack, I've got to say my current favorite recurring tune in TFA is from 1:54 in Rey's Theme, though it's heard in other pieces too.

Dooo, doodoodoo doo dooo.

>>78310779
They've outright stated they'll never recanonize an entire thing(a book, game, etc) from Legends. They'll use elements from them though.

Taris was mentioned in Tarkin I believe, so it's nothing new. Meebur Gascon already namedropped Malachor too.

>>78310859
The Jedi were a soldier of sorts in the Clone Wars. There's plenty of other similarities between them

Both have been previous/current Jedi in their life.
Both have a pilot love interest(who share a voice actor)
They dress similarly, although different color scheme
Both train a padawan who struggles with the dark side

Kanan is basically canon Kyle, just remixed some.

>>78311073
Poe surviving felt really stupid.

>>78311178
Defections from the Imperial Navy is the only thing I can think of. Those happened in the EU too.
That and possibly whoever was in command of the Imperial Navy at Jakku must have been a massive blinding moron.

>>78311019
I thought the same thing when finn left but then came back when people are in danger

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>hover at new republic era characters
>still no rey, poe, and finn
>wook

>>78311019

Except he's not rogueish at all. Finn is Finn. Stop trying to pigeon hole him.

>>78311178
Lost Stars mentions the rebels boarding and stealing Imperial ships

>>78311178
They gained traction significantly after RotJ. They captured a bunch of Star Destroyers and Super Star Destroyers, and probably got help from other systems too.

>>78311178
Imperial defectors, planets with their own defense fleets getting the courage to finally join the Rebels and take a stand, and the Rebels stole a lot of ships as well. In Lost Stars they try to steal a Star Destroyer at the Battle of Jakku and it gets rammed into the planet intentionally to deprive them of it.

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This has always been the hottest thing in Star Wars for me

>>78311023
Yah I always find that stuff funny. Why can no one every copy files in the star wars universe. or like in Empire when a droid needs to use an antenna. How are they at the point where they can make a droid that can be dropped from space and then go hovering about on a scouting mission but still needs to put up its antenna to transmit.

Anyone else think it Jakku shouldn't be so empty and deprived when there's such a wealth of materials and parts to be extracted from the remains of crashed starships, there should be whole thriving settlements grown up around the scavenge trade.

>>78310784
HAs anyone uploaded this yet?